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Title: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: Kugai on 03 Jan 2016, 13:18
A New Year comes and it's more mayhem and exposition
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: BenRG on 03 Jan 2016, 13:31
Just a thought that occurred to me earlier this evening: Alice could be a contraction for A.L.I.C.E.

Autonomous
Life-
Immitation
Combat
Endoform

Quote
If I'm right, you're being used as a weapon. That's a terrible thing to be. I should know. I was a weapon too, once.

-- Alice
-- Strip 85

As for the rest, I'm thinking we're going to have some mayhem as Alice stomps her correspondent into a slightly more rationally communicative mood followed by two loads of exposition: The latest down-and-dirty on the wider world followed by the other person's warning to Ardent and Gavia about the danger Alice poses to them, which turns into some alleged background story about Alice.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: FunkyTuba on 04 Jan 2016, 14:39
inb4 the first comic of the year
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: jwhouk on 06 Jan 2016, 13:42
Boss has the strip on temporary hiatus until after his ear surgery.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: FunkyTuba on 06 Jan 2016, 15:52
then I made it in time :D
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: BenRG on 12 Jan 2016, 09:25
New Comic Up! (http://www.alicegrove.com/image/137162324429)

Well, it looks like Alice's 'contact' has feelings for her more-or-less as I imagined. So, old comrade in arms or a sister? A fellow Gen-3 Synth out of The Institute? A fellow alumnus of the Super Soldier program?

At least we know how she's been keeping shooting for so long. Assuming that thing (it looks like something from the Colt-Ingam MAC-10/-11 family) shoots 9mm or 45-calibre pistol rounds, those extender drums probably carry around 400 rounds; enough for 40 seconds continual fire at sub-machine-gun rates of fire.

Something tells me that this is about to turn into a hyper-kinetic fight scene right out of the pages of manga. I have no doubt that these two, be they Synth or Super Soldier are capable of movement speeds, damage resistance and attack strengths that Gavia and Ardent will have trouble following, let alone matching.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: Zebediah on 12 Jan 2016, 09:54
It may just be weird perspective, but panel 2 makes it look like the new character is about 12 feet tall.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: Caspian Sea Monster on 12 Jan 2016, 13:17
At least we know how she's been keeping shooting for so long. Assuming that thing (it looks like something from the Colt-Ingam MAC-10/-11 family) shoots 9mm or 45-calibre pistol rounds, those extender drums probably carry around 400 rounds; enough for 40 seconds continual fire at sub-machine-gun rates of fire.

I am 99.9% sure that is supposed to be a Micro-Uzi (https://www.dropbox.com/s/lamx3fmrg48bqo9/uzi-micro1.jpg?dl=0) (9mm) with a Beta Co. C-Mag (https://www.dropbox.com/s/b8wggzl2wm38nbs/uzi%20c-mag.jpg?dl=0) (100 rounds)  - from what I understand Jeff is adamant about drawing guns correctly and accurately and I'm continually impressed with his ability to do so - but if Snake Eater is anything to go by, it actually has infinite ammunition because the magazine is shaped like a lemniscate (http://metalgear.wikia.com/wiki/The_Patriot#Metal_Gear_Solid_3:_Snake_Eater).

ETA: Identifying guns is all I'm good for.  I'm sorry.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: Kugai on 12 Jan 2016, 13:35
Real friendly, ain't she?
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: Neko_Ali on 12 Jan 2016, 13:49
Nothing says "Hello! Now go away!" like a bullet storm.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 12 Jan 2016, 14:28
Why shoot at Alice, knowing that she's bulletproof?
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: BenRG on 12 Jan 2016, 14:32
Why shoot at Alice, knowing that she's bulletproof?

Because she really, really doesn't like Alice and even the small possibility of causing her irritation and soreness later on just can't be passed up!

I'm more interested to learn what led to this very, very obvious lack of love.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: Caspian Sea Monster on 12 Jan 2016, 15:20
It's probably more on the principle of the thing, I suspect.  It's not expected to hurt her, it's just cathartic - like yelling at her, only louder.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: improvnerd on 12 Jan 2016, 17:08
If she's that causal with bullets, she must have a source for fresh ammo. Interesting.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: Zebediah on 12 Jan 2016, 17:23
Alice said that Ms. Bullet-Storm wouldn't run out of bullets. Either she has a lot more magazines stashed nearby, or that fancy magazine is actually a replicator.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: Undrneath on 12 Jan 2016, 17:33
It may just be weird perspective, but panel 2 makes it look like the new character is about 12 feet tall.

It's definitely forced perspective, but it does look odd.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: Kugai on 12 Jan 2016, 18:48
Alice said that Ms. Bullet-Storm wouldn't run out of bullets. Either she has a lot more magazines stashed nearby, or that fancy magazine is actually a replicator.

I was thinking that myself actually.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: Method of Madness on 12 Jan 2016, 22:24
A.L.I.C.E.
:psyduck:
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: improvnerd on 12 Jan 2016, 22:50
Alice said that Ms. Bullet-Storm wouldn't run out of bullets. Either she has a lot more magazines stashed nearby, or that fancy magazine is actually a replicator.

Or she knows the local bullet farmer, like in Fury Road.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: sitnspin on 12 Jan 2016, 23:22
Alice said that Ms. Bullet-Storm wouldn't run out of bullets. Either she has a lot more magazines stashed nearby, or that fancy magazine is actually a replicator.

Or she knows the local bullet farmer, like in Fury Road.

Or she IS the bullet farmer.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: Channelore HellicottAtham on 12 Jan 2016, 23:38
Oooh! It's Alice's nemesis, Malice!  :psyduck:
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: Zebediah on 13 Jan 2016, 03:57
Right then, until Jeph gives her another name, I'm calling our new character Malice Bullet-Storm.  :-D
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: TinPenguin on 13 Jan 2016, 14:40
I'da thought it'd be "Malice Grave".
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: Kugai on 13 Jan 2016, 14:58
Hmmmm

I'm wondering if Gavia is gonna join the fray and let rip with some of her patented explosions here to back Alice up.





Then again...............
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: Method of Madness on 14 Jan 2016, 04:16
I know Alice denied being friends, but she may have been still been exaggerating when she said "acquaintance".
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: BenRG on 16 Jan 2016, 05:52
I know Alice denied being friends, but she may have been still been exaggerating when she said "acquaintance".

I'm voting 'Sister'. Furthermore, her name is Alice Gaile

Just a thought that occurred to me earlier this evening: Alice could be a contraction for A.L.I.C.E.

Autonomous
Life-
Immitation
Combat
Endoform

Alice Grove - A.L.I.C.E GR0V3 - A.L.I.C.E., Ground forces Repair unit 053

What about her sister?

Alice Gaile - A.L.I.C.E. GA113 - A.L.I.C.E., Ground forces Assault unit 113
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: Method of Madness on 16 Jan 2016, 06:03
I'm still thinking Alice is a human that got immortality and various other powers somehow (like Vandal Savage).
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: Kugai on 16 Jan 2016, 13:00
Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned??
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: Timemaster on 16 Jan 2016, 13:11
Malice has brown hair and green eyes. But apart from that she has pretty much the same face as Alice (blonde/blue). Especially the form of the nose is very similar.
Another hint that she is a kind of clone or a fellow syth?

TM
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: Aegir on 17 Jan 2016, 18:21
I don't think she looks too much like alice, aside from the fact that they're both women drawn by Jeph.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: Zebediah on 19 Jan 2016, 17:18
New comic's up. I wonder what Alice did to get Malice so pissed off at her.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: improvnerd on 19 Jan 2016, 17:36
Mal seems to use that gun on Alice like you'd use a spray bottle on a cat.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: Kugai on 19 Jan 2016, 20:21
I really hate not being able to hold a civilised conversation with someone when they keep shootout at me.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: Method of Madness on 19 Jan 2016, 20:45
New comic's up. I wonder what Alice did to get Malice so pissed off at her.
I spent way too long trying to figure out when she was named before I figured out it was just a pun. Well played.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: Wildroses on 19 Jan 2016, 20:46
She keeps digging up guns. So is that why Alice thought she wouldn't run out of bullets?

I shudder to think what will happen if Ardent touched one of her guns. Which probably means that he will. Ardent is like our cat Pesky. Sweet natured, friendly and free of malice but somehow has an uncanny ability to accidentally cause complete worst scenario chaos in all situations in which the possibility of trouble exists, hence the name.

And I imagine he will be along soon, out of curiosity, desire to help, or merely following Gavia to try stop her causing explosions.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: BenRG on 19 Jan 2016, 23:23
Yeah, looks like I called it! She knows that she can't more than hurt and annoy Alice but, to her, that's a great reason in its own right to do it!

New comic's up. I wonder what Alice did to get Malice so pissed off at her.

She probably won't stop telling her to stop playing with guns!

Or, maybe she regards Alice as a traitor for abandoning the fight. Maybe, even though the war is over and their enemies vanished, she thinks that it is their duty to be ready to fight should it ever start again; Alice disagreed and that was treason in her eyes.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 20 Jan 2016, 01:58
It's interesting that this was Alice's best information source or at any rate her first choice.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: jwhouk on 20 Jan 2016, 03:32
I suspect proximity as the reason.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: katsmeat on 20 Jan 2016, 03:43
Beat me to it. If her best information source is a 1000 mile trek away, it makes perfect sense to try the worst one first.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: BenRG on 23 Jan 2016, 11:17
New comic up! (http://www.alicegrove.com/image/137890983959)

Okay, firstly, thank you to Jeph for confirming that the infantry assault unit's gun was based on a MAC-10/-11 family design (https://twitter.com/jephjacques/status/690961512337379328). I am not exactly a gun nut, knowing just about enough from a misspent youth as an action film fan to recognise many more popular designs from the late 1980s. So, the fact I was able to recognise it correctly gives me a little buzz of satisfaction.

Secondly, as Jeph says in the news post footer, Alice is fast. Consider how fast 9mm or 45-calibre rounds travel, Alice is able to avoid all the shots aimed at her as she charges her antagonist (note the lack of impact sparks that we saw in the previous strip). She was able to dodge around all the fire before reaching her foe. Can she do Bullet Time? Does The Matrix have her?

Finally... Just how much force did she put into that palm strike that it disintegrated the gun? Or was it even a direct contact attack or did she use ultrasonics to shake it apart? Alice is a woman(?) of many surprises! I wonder what we'll learn next?
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: Caspian Sea Monster on 23 Jan 2016, 12:04
...I just died a little bit on the inside.  That looks nothing like an Ingram, and almost everything like a Micro-Uzi, while assembled or exploded.  Like, I get that he said "very loosely" but by changing it up for the comic he inadvertently and independently invented the Uzi...?

Ugh, just forget it.  I don't wanna drag this any further off topic.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: Kugai on 23 Jan 2016, 12:52
Up close and personal, that's Alice's style I think.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: TinPenguin on 23 Jan 2016, 13:13
Noteworthy that Alice, a being clearly designed for war, has yet to be seen using a weapon more deadly than her own fist.

Admittedly, that does set a higher bar than most.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: Method of Madness on 23 Jan 2016, 13:54
That looks nothing like an Ingram, and almost everything like a Micro-Uzi, while assembled or exploded.
Then it's a Micro-Uzi, what's the problem? Sure, Jeph says otherwise outside of the comic, but even people who put stock in "word of god" don't think that it outranks actual evidence from the canon itself, do they?
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: cesium133 on 23 Jan 2016, 14:02
Does it seem to anyone else that the relationship between Alice and Malice might be similar to a sibling rivalry? After all, Malice knew that her bullets couldn't harm Alice. Similarly, she knew that Alice wasn't going to harm her; otherwise she would have used something that could harm Alice, or she would have fled.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: Caspian Sea Monster on 23 Jan 2016, 15:04
...even people who put stock in "word of god" don't think that it outranks actual evidence from the canon itself, do they?

It sits rather uneasily with me when the two don't match.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: Method of Madness on 23 Jan 2016, 15:29
Makes sense. It's one of the benefits of completely ignoring "word of god" (or at the very most seeing it as commentary and not canon).
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: Skewbrow on 24 Jan 2016, 08:32
Either Alice & Malice are sisters (or spawning vat mates or whatever) or this is their version of "Hi, long time no see". Not entirely unlike what happened when VV met Jane (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2391). Combat instead of verbal sparring.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: Method of Madness on 24 Jan 2016, 09:10
I went a few ahead of that and was proud of myself for thinking of a better wedding toast for my sister than "marriage yes! Good job, marriage!"
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: mikmaxs on 24 Jan 2016, 20:56
Would it have mattered if 'Malice' pulled the trigger? I'm not sure what all this violence is supposed to mean, since with armor up Alice seems to barely be inconvenienced by the pellets. (Heck, without armor it only seemed like a paintball gun even when it smacked her right in the eye.)
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: TinPenguin on 24 Jan 2016, 22:55
Pretty sure Malice knows she can't do more than slightly annoy Alice with her bullets. But she sure as hell isn't going let her approach her freely. And if 'slightly annoying' is the only way to make her point, it'll do.

I guess it's a bit like hurling insults at someone you know to be thick-skinned. It's not for them, it's for you.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: BenRG on 24 Jan 2016, 23:39
@mikmaxs,

It's just pure anger. Anger that has possibly been stewing for centuries to the point where causing Alice even the most trivial pain or inconvenience is an end in itself.

Oh, and I also suspect that the 'who's faster?' thing is an old, old rivalry between them. Possibily dating back to when they were in training together.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: mikmaxs on 25 Jan 2016, 02:22
Okay, other question: Do they have super strength to go with their indestructibility? Alice at least has the ability to get through a nanobot shield, but was that superior strength or some other effect? I'm just wondering if, since bullets are ineffective, a fistfight might at least cause some real harm.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: BenRG on 25 Jan 2016, 02:51
Okay, other question: Do they have super strength to go with their indestructibility?

Super strength has been implied but never explicitly shown in a way that couldn't be explained away by training or some special ability. For example, if Alice is telekinetic, then she didn't break her counterpart's gun, rather she flash-disassembled it. This could also explain the fact that she seemed to levitate when she confronted Gavia. However, that would require an explanation as to why she didn't deal with her adversaries at a long distance.

I think that Jeph is deliberately keeping lots of things about Alice ambiguous. She has shown enough extreme capabilities that it's unlikely that she's just a 'woman-plus' super-soldier at the very top end of what is possible for a human body to achieve. However, there are enough inconsistencies to make it difficult to pin down precisely what special abilities she may have. Then you have the issue of her personality that could further disrupt evidence. For example, what if she just prefers up-close-and-personal and consciously chooses not to use longer-range tactics, even though she has the ability to do so?

My guess remains is that she is an augment. Her biology has been genetically optimised, making her incredibly long-lived and nearly ageless as well as close to physical perfection as it is possible to get at the very top end of physical attributes (strength, durability, perception and intelligence). She may also have synthetic augmentations to make her muscles, skin and bones even tougher (nearly unbreakable) and give her things like active night vision and the ability to generate energy fields to do things like fly or create telekinetic effects (using actual generators built into her body rather than an external nanotech skein). As I already noted, her personality is far from perfect and I'm wondering if her psychotic episodes might be a consequence of something going awry when she was engineered... or if she was designed to be aggressive and possibly even psychopathic because that's what the military end users wanted for their cloned Amazon Warriors.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: Neko_Ali on 25 Jan 2016, 05:10
She's been shown to punch, or at least knife-hand her way through the bodies of people, animals and wood walls. Being indestructible alone doesn't really explain that, if that's all she has. I can see her being able to put her fist through a wood wall if she was just really tough. But not just casually punch her way through someone's body. She does seem to be able to disrupt technology at a touch. Malice's gun and Gavia's shields just fell apart when she wanted them too. If she can extend that to living things or non technological devices that would explain why she can punch through whatever she likes. It could also be super strength, or something like the tactile telekinesis that a version of Superboy once had. He was telekinetic... but had to actually be touching something to affect it. There are many ways to achieve the feats we've seen Alice performing. But she normally doesn't seem to have more than a human level of strength. She pummeled Gavia bloody instead of just crushing her her spearing her with one punch. We've never seen her casually hefting huge loads around. That's not to say she can't... It's just something she doesn't do.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: Method of Madness on 25 Jan 2016, 19:44
That last sentence, I think she just has an exceptional level of control over her strength even when it seems like she's let loose. If she'd let loose, Gavia would be dead.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: Kugai on 26 Jan 2016, 13:22
This is getting ridiculous.

What next?  A TOW Missile??!
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: mikmaxs on 26 Jan 2016, 13:28
http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2860
I'll just leave this here...
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: BenRG on 26 Jan 2016, 14:11
Look at that smile! She's got issues... and a recoilless rifle.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: improvnerd on 26 Jan 2016, 14:20
(Meanwhile, Ardent had touched the submachinegun pieces, causing them to reassemble into a ginormous mecha.)
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: wlewisiii on 26 Jan 2016, 15:43
Look at that smile! She's got issues... and a recoilless rifle.

No, not recoil less. Wouldn't need that muzzle brake. Kinda looks more like a Boys Anti-Tank Rifle from early WWII  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boys_anti-tank_rifle

Given the weight and recoil of those, it would be a strong (heh) argument in favor of superstrength.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: katsmeat on 26 Jan 2016, 18:44
If the round that hit Alice could knock her off her feet, then it's a given the recoil from the weapon firing it would knock gun-lady off her feet - conservation of momentum, I'm thinking. Super strength wouldn't help her.  Sure, she would  be firmly holding  the weapon , but super strength would not stop her flying backwards. She would only be able to stand there if (a) she weighted about 500kg or (b) her boots attach to the floor with  some kind of hyper velcro.

If it is a Boys Anti Tank rifle, she must have been doing something quite funky with the cartridges. I assume the British would not have dropped them in World War 2  for being generally crap  and useless (so says Wikipedia) if the rounds carried that kind of energy. Even Tiger tanks would've been quickly looking like 60-ton colanders if shot at with one of those.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: Method of Madness on 26 Jan 2016, 18:48
It's clearly an explosive round, isn't the blast what's knocking Alice back?
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: katsmeat on 26 Jan 2016, 18:55
It's clearly an explosive round, isn't the blast what's knocking Alice back?

You're completely right, of course.  It's currently 2.53am where I am and it's been a long day. I'll blame that.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: Kugai on 26 Jan 2016, 22:24
I am seriously beginning to get pissed off with Malice at this stage.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: BenRG on 26 Jan 2016, 23:30
It's clearly an explosive round, isn't the blast what's knocking Alice back?

Kinetic energy transfer. Those fifty-calibre shells have a lot of kinetic energy

If it is a Boys Anti Tank rifle, she must have been doing something quite funky with the cartridges. I assume the British would not have dropped them in World War 2  for being generally crap  and useless (so says Wikipedia) if the rounds carried that kind of energy. Even Tiger tanks would've been quickly looking like 60-ton colanders if shot at with one of those.

Actually, you're overestimating the armour penetration here. A 50-calibre bullet that has evolved into multi-mile range anti-light vehicle munition bounced off of Panzer mk.3 armour like soft rubber balls. You needed a three-inch armour-piercing explosive shell to penetrate that.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 27 Jan 2016, 00:13
Alice said that if the Praeses invaded she could inflict severe losses. To do that she must have long-range offensive weapons.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: BenRG on 27 Jan 2016, 01:17
Alice said that if the Praeses invaded she could inflict severe losses. To do that she must have long-range offensive weapons.

Probably long-range offensive capabilities that don't strictly fit into our concept of 'weapons'. Energy casters, super-power tasers (more like lightning throwers) and a variety of kinetic capabilities. Just imagine what sort of devastation Iron Man could inflict on an invading army and you've probably got a good idea of what she could do.

She was, after all, very obviously made to be a weapon. She has chosen to be a protector and a builder instead. That's a very positive example, I think.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: katsmeat on 27 Jan 2016, 03:16
Actually, you're overestimating the armour penetration here. A 50-calibre bullet that has evolved into multi-mile range anti-light vehicle munition bounced off of Panzer mk.3 armour like soft rubber balls. You needed a three-inch armour-piercing explosive shell to penetrate that.

Alice is well built - lets assume she weights 65kg. Gets knocked backwards at 3m/s. Amazingly, Wikipedia tells me a Boys bullet weights 61g. Holy shit - the round was moving at 3200 m/s. It was carrying 0.3 MJ - 18 times the energy of a real Boys round (thanks again WP).  Yeah.... colander time.

If course as Method of Madnesss said, this is an explosive round and she was knocked back by the explosion, not the impact. The calculation is therefore irrelevant; fun thing to do instead of work, though.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: BenRG on 27 Jan 2016, 03:34
Alice is well built - lets assume she weights 65kg. Gets knocked backwards at 3m/s.

Where did you get that figure for Alice's post-impact velocity from? She could have just as easily been knocked back off of her feet at an initial veloocity measured in centimetres per second. For an object with a high centre-of-gravity like the humanoid body, that's enough to knock us over.

What about the flash? Well, the bullet struck Alice's exo-armour, which I suspect is an 'immovable object'. Thus, I suspect that a lot of its kinetic energy may have been turned into thermal energy, so what we're seeing is incandescent copper and lead radiating away from the impact point.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: katsmeat on 27 Jan 2016, 05:01
Where did you get that figure for Alice's post-impact velocity from? She could have just as easily been knocked back off of her feet at an initial veloocity measured in centimetres per second. For an object with a high centre-of-gravity like the humanoid body, that's enough to knock us over.
True enough. And I'm only guessing. But it does look like she took a big old thump and was flying through the air, limbs flailing.

What about the flash? Well, the bullet struck Alice's exo-armour, which I suspect is an 'immovable object'. Thus, I suspect that a lot of its kinetic energy may have been turned into thermal energy, so what we're seeing is incandescent copper and lead radiating away from the impact point.
I think a hyper-velocity projectile, going fast enough to vaporize on impact, is superficially indistinguishable from being an explosive round, as already postulated. Besides, we probably won't find out if its one or the other as guns aren't really Jephs thing - I get the idea he just finds a reference picture of a cool one, draws it accurately, does some cool explosions,  then just leaves it at that.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: BenRG on 31 Jan 2016, 11:31
We round out the month with a very artistically-abstract action sequence (for added alliterative appeal).

(click to show/hide)

I'm wondering what upsets her adversary more: the fact that Alice is beating her or the fact that she's breaking all her toys!
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: Kugai on 31 Jan 2016, 12:05
Well, now that that's settled .............
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: Method of Madness on 31 Jan 2016, 15:20
Notice that she says "stop trying to shoot me", not "stop trying to kill me".
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016
Post by: Kugai on 31 Jan 2016, 18:29
Alice is immortal


Her last name is really McCloud