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Title: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: BenRG on 13 Mar 2016, 12:35
Just a random fandom favourite poll this week. I didn't want to strain anything by sitting around for hours trying to work out a half-dozen or more 'what next' scenarios, I guess!

If I were asked to vote (and I have, by me), I've got to say that it's Station. Even though Hannelore let him down easily, he must easily be able to contact her. I'd like to see her talking to him more in arcs focussed on her. It strikes me that he was a parental figure of sorts so it makes sense that she'd ask him for advice or just confide in him on occasions.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: chaospersonified on 13 Mar 2016, 14:20
Oof. I am conflicted. I would most enjoy Angus' return, if it is to be as a romantuc foil, but Lt. Potter, while she wouldn't work as a romantuc foil, would be more fun to see return. She was only in a small handful of strips, but damn if I don't occasionally yell at random embracing people to 'Hug the shit out of him!'

There could be fascinating side points, too, given her military nature, general level of aggression and the conflict that would play out between these in reaction to Faye's new job.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: cesium133 on 13 Mar 2016, 14:25
"Aluminum" should totally be an option in this poll.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: hedgie on 13 Mar 2016, 15:20
Considering that EC-tech may actually *have* invented mind-control rays, all of the aluminium foil might be used to make hatsssss.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Method of Madness on 13 Mar 2016, 18:45
Yesssssssssssssss
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 13 Mar 2016, 20:03
Ah, but did Momo really improvise that eulogy or does she have a couple of dozen of them saved, with the cause of May's eventual death blanked out?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: neurocase on 13 Mar 2016, 20:07
Something about the makeover seems to have softened May somewhat. Not only was that a genuine response, but there wasn't a single curse word in there; unusual for her! Also, she's making snow angels, which is kind of precious. I'm getting a "hella cute robo-girlfriends" vibe from this strip. Dunno why.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Wildroses on 13 Mar 2016, 20:11
Did anybody else panic at the first sentence of the first panel, panic, and have to scroll down to see if May was really dead or okay, then go back to read the rest of the comic?

Actually she came out of that better than I expected. I seriously thought last week we were in for several strips of them having to redo May's face.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: DSL on 13 Mar 2016, 20:19
"Aluminum" should totally be an option in this poll.

That foil is in short supply owing to the U.S. election.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: DrBear on 13 Mar 2016, 20:21
Caught me with the first-panel "eulogy," an interesting way to get our attention for the week ahead.

As for the poll, I guess it's whoever you want to see "foiled again!"  :claireface:
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: TRVA123 on 13 Mar 2016, 20:26
Wait, wait, wait... everyone is ignoring the real question that this strip raises;

Why is Momo wearing a coat?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: mustang6172 on 13 Mar 2016, 20:37
It probably keeps the snow off her clothes.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Gladstone on 13 Mar 2016, 20:43
May really should've gone with the orange dermal covering.  Now every time she shows up in the strip I'm going to think Jeph forgot to color in her face.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 13 Mar 2016, 20:46
Keeps the snow off her clothes, or keeps people from staring at her.

That eulogy sounded improvised, especially since I don't think that kind of phrasing came from the social protocol database.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 13 Mar 2016, 20:49
May really should've gone with the orange dermal covering.  Now every time she shows up in the strip I'm going to think Jeph forgot to color in her face.

It might have been a case that the facial and shoulder repairs were all Faye and Bubbles were willing to do at that time. I imagine that repairs at the Fight Club are possibly multi-hour affairs and that's just for the fighters, so how can they justify a complete overhaul for May. The only reason they really took May in was so Faye could get some practice. Plus its not like the place is overflowing with repair materials, hell, it wouldn't surprise me if the dermal coverings were just end-roll pieces that were just sitting there.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: hedgie on 13 Mar 2016, 21:09
That eulogy sounded improvised, especially since I don't think that kind of phrasing came from the social protocol database.
What if it actually *did* come from Momo's social protocol database?  She does tend to be unfailingly polite, but she had also previously threatened to have May's HD incinerated.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 13 Mar 2016, 21:22
The SPD could have an entry for "eulogy for someone I despise", I suppose, though if I had heard that one while I was a guest at a funeral I would not have found it polite.

It was, however, pretty good as a way of teasing a live May in a friendly way.

Their friendship does puzzle me although it's easy to see how Momo might put kindness ahead of being censorious.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: jheartney on 13 Mar 2016, 21:39
May really should've gone with the orange dermal covering.  Now every time she shows up in the strip I'm going to think Jeph forgot to color in her face.

I had a quick look at the orange while I was doing the test image. It was not good; the darker color value and the hue clashed with the blue. The khaki is a better fit, and also looks more human. If it weren't for the blue hair, she'd look almost like a live teenager.

I also agree that May's personality seems nicer. I hope we don't entirely lose the hardscrabble persona; it was part of what makes May endearing.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Sorflakne on 13 Mar 2016, 21:45
May really should've gone with the orange dermal covering.  Now every time she shows up in the strip I'm going to think Jeph forgot to color in her face.
She does look kind of weird when not blue.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Kugai on 13 Mar 2016, 22:56
I was worried for a moment there


But only a Momoment  :-D



And it's nice that AnthroPC's appreciate Snow Angels.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 13 Mar 2016, 23:32
Aren't there plenty of carbon-based teenagers with blue hair?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Tova on 13 Mar 2016, 23:40
That eulogy sounded improvised, especially since I don't think that kind of phrasing came from the social protocol database.
What if it actually *did* come from Momo's social protocol database?  She does tend to be unfailingly polite, but she had also previously threatened to have May's HD incinerated.

I rather think it did.

I mean, Momo is basically furious that May might have been seriously hurt.

It would be hard not to be touched, as May clearly is.

Momo's social database is on the money.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: BenRG on 14 Mar 2016, 00:26
Quite frankly, Momo and May act more and more like teenage siblings every time that I see them together! May making a snow angel was particularly cute and makes her seem a lot younger than she normally does.

Why is Momo wearing a coat?

Probably for the same reason that humans do: To keep her parts closer to optimum working temperatures in the cold without wasting power on trying to use waste system heat to do the job. Remember that Momo's chassis isn't particularly heavy-duty, so it's working temperature range probably doesn't go far beyond average room temperature.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Timemaster on 14 Mar 2016, 01:36
 A snow angel. Sweet.  :laugh:
And Momos eulogy is very nice, too. "You´re stupid. And annoying. And a jerk. And stupid. But you´re my friend an I kinda like you. Don´t know why. Did I mention that you´re stupid?"

Why is Momo wearing a coat? Maybe it has technical reasons or she wants to keep her clothes clean. But most important is the cause she´s wearing human clothes anyway: to look as human as possible. She has a skin-like dermal and doesn´t want to run around "naked". And humans tend to wear warm clothing in cold surroundings, so she wears a coat to blend in.
Even May does so by wearing a hoodie instead of a poloshirt in winter. And Bubbles has a coat too. For the same reason: to blend in, to be less conspicous to the humans. They want to be part of their society, so they play along. Not to hide from the people, but to become a part of everyday life. To integrate themselves.

TM
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Wildroses on 14 Mar 2016, 02:12
Momo may also just like the coat. Technically AnthroPCs don't need bedroom furnishings either but she was still thrilled when given the chance to decorate a room of her very own. She is probably the only cast member who benefited when Angus left.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: mad hands murphy on 14 Mar 2016, 03:19
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Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: katsmeat on 14 Mar 2016, 03:50
Wait, wait, wait... everyone is ignoring the real question that this strip raises;

Why is Momo wearing a coat?

Some of her systems only work optimally in a given temperature range - a bit of insulation helps maintain that temperature using the waste heat she produces.

Just like anybody else, I suppose.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Radium_Coyote on 14 Mar 2016, 04:10
This did not play out how I was expecting, but... I'm not disappointed.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Method of Madness on 14 Mar 2016, 05:33
If it weren't for the blue hair, she'd look almost like a live teenager.
You think the blue hair makes her look less like a teenager? :mrgreen:
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Mad Cat on 14 Mar 2016, 06:18
I don't know about anyone else, but I get the feeling that that eulogy was not entirely improvised on the spot.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: BenRG on 14 Mar 2016, 06:21
I suspect that Momo's 'Eulogy for May' was actually an 'Open Mike Rant' that she's been composing about May for some times. There are variations for various situations but the basic theme - That May is her friend and that Momo doesn't know why because everything May says and does just makes her want to do violence - is common to all of them.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 14 Mar 2016, 07:56
Part of their friendship is probably proximity and a lack of other AI friends. With Dale and Marigold dating, they probably see each other fairly often. And also going to the same support group. But other than that... May doesn't have many friends in the first place, and Momo doesn't have many AI friends that we've seen. Pintsize really irritates her it seems, and Winslow for a lack of a better term seems to be of a more primitive generator of AI, or so he seems. I doubt Momo feels much in common with either of them. May on the other hand seems broadly similar so I don't see it all that uncommon that they would gravitate together when a group of them are around. I'm going to guess contact is more often initiated by May since again, she doesn't exactly have a lot of friends, and Momo is just that sweet spot of someone she can annoy a lot, but is to polite to tell May to buzz off and leave. So yeah.. I'm definitely feeling the 'sisters' vibe from the two of them.

Something that occurs to me after last week... I do rather hope that Corpse Witch is on the up and up, or when the inevitable blow up happens between her and Bubbles and/or Faye it doesn't involve removing the fight club from the story. Or that it becomes the driving force for Faye and Bubbles to go into  repair service together. It was a round about way of getting the job, but I think this is just what Faye needed. She loves working with her hand and metal. But she hates doing dull, repetitive work. And she really seems to be interested in the mechanics of robot and AnthroPC maintenance. And finally, she still gets to engage in the endless snark she enjoys. Clearly this job is much better for her than the coffee shop and she seems genuinely happier with her life because of it.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Omega Entity on 14 Mar 2016, 09:15
One thing about May's hair - I think Bubbles may have replaced it with something of higher quality, since her OEM hair was stiff plastic stuff. It fans out rather nicely when she's laying on the ground.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: BenRG on 14 Mar 2016, 09:41
Yeah; I've got a feeling that Bubbles may have salvaged a synthetic hair wig off of a decommissioned head unit that one of the fighting 'bots no longer needed. So, May's head may look and act a lot more human now in many ways. I wonder if she'll get the desire to look more human all-over the way Momo does?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: DSL on 14 Mar 2016, 10:40
Wait, wait, wait... everyone is ignoring the real question that this strip raises;

Why is Momo wearing a coat?

Some of her systems only work optimally in a given temperature range - a bit of insulation helps maintain that temperature using the waste heat she produces.

Just like anybody else, I suppose.

I just hope May's waterproofed.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Morituri on 14 Mar 2016, 10:56
I was expecting (and still haven't ruled out) friction between Corpse Witch and Bubbles/Faye over May's repair.  People were talking about the police raiding the place and May getting in parole trouble, but I was thinking that narratively it could easily be a part of the "Bubbles is increasingly disenchanted with Corpse Witch and the Fight Club" arc instead. 

I like the interaction between May and Momo.  They really do have a kind of "sisters" vibe going on, especially when they engage in good-natured snark. 

I expect May to continue to be obnoxious and crude, but also to exhibit a fierce loyalty to Momo, Faye, and Bubbles if and when there is trouble of any kind.  I just hope she doesn't get in trouble for it.  I could easily see her punching a cop if someone is trying to arrest any of the three for any reason, and that sort of thing just doesn't go over well with the parole board.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 14 Mar 2016, 11:19
I don't know if she would go quite that far. She does have a powerful fear of going back to Robot Jail. On the other hand, she does have poor impulse control... If someone tried to hurt one of her friends she'd probably fly off the handle.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Roborat on 14 Mar 2016, 11:21
This page is great, and I liked the line: "not entirely a waste of resources, but mostly so".  I am going to have to steal that.  However, I have to admit, when I saw May in the last panel, I fully expected to see a Punchbot's fist shaped dent in her head.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 14 Mar 2016, 12:57
Jeph said, in some long-ago Q&A, that AnthroPCs could change their personalities with software patches.

The May story line suggests he's changed his mind about that part of the world-building. If she could have installed an impulse control upgrade ...

Wait, that line of thought didn't go where I expected. This may be saying something alarming about the QC world's legal system. If the authorities could have ordered a software patch but incarcerated her instead, that says bad things about them, bad things that are plausible if you've read about human prisoners being denied education and educational materials.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: sitnspin on 14 Mar 2016, 13:07
One could argue a unwanted software patch of that variety would be tantamount to mind control slash brainwashing. That's a serious violation of a sapient being's rights, far more do than incarceration.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 14 Mar 2016, 13:09
Actually it would be far more alarming if the courts could issue punishments that involved reprogramming a sentient being's personality. That's some serious distopian level stuff there. "Well, you embezzled some money, so we are going to install a lock out to prevent you from ever thinking about doing that again. You're free to go." I'd find that far more terrifying than going to jail, having parts of my mind and personality forcibly re-written to comply. It certainly tosses free will for AIs right out the window.

Even more terrifying... What if they also patched them to not be aware they've been re-programmed. Or to force them to be happy about it. At what point once you've started reprogramming someone should you stop? Heck, why not just make it part of the standard code every AI has installed, not unlike the Three Laws? That would remove the need for a robot criminal system at all, if they were designed from the start to obey. Free will is over rated, right?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: chaospersonified on 14 Mar 2016, 13:29
My question is why the hell would a sentient being not WANT that kind of help, especially when it's as simple as a software patch that could be programmed to a specific level of efficiency. I've got ADHD and bipolar type 2, and if it were as simple as installing a patch to my brain that would do even half the effectivity of medication, you bet your ass I would accept that.

I agree it'd be fucked if the government was forcing it, but why wouldn't they just accept it?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Tova on 14 Mar 2016, 13:51
You might want to ask one of the not-insignificant number of people who refuse medication.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 14 Mar 2016, 14:17
One could argue a unwanted software patch of that variety would be tantamount to mind control slash brainwashing. That's a serious violation of a sapient being's rights, far more do than incarceration.

The whole idea reminds me of the approach they took in the 1940s and 50s with lobotomy - found a moral deviant who doesn't fit into the societal norm? Lobotomy.

Just the idea of enforcing a change of personality on what is a sentient entity through a patch sounds absolutely vile.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: DSL on 14 Mar 2016, 14:44
Chaospersonified's last sentence is key: Many folks would welcome a "patch" that would relieve them of a mental condition and it's be great if that was available. But some folks would not want that, for reasons that are varied and understandable. Forcing it as an across-the-board remedy, ESPECIALLY  in cases where there is no harm done and maybe even some.benefit (exceptional artistic ability or other savantry, for just a couple of examples) is the unacceptable part. (Plrase note I will refuse to take seriously any responses along the lines of "so what you're really saying is ...")
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: comicalArchitect on 14 Mar 2016, 15:04
Part of their friendship is probably proximity and a lack of other AI friends. With Dale and Marigold dating, they probably see each other fairly often. And also going to the same support group. But other than that... May doesn't have many friends in the first place, and Momo doesn't have many AI friends that we've seen. Pintsize really irritates her it seems, and Winslow for a lack of a better term seems to be of a more primitive generator of AI, or so he seems. I doubt Momo feels much in common with either of them.

Momo hung out with Pintsize and Winslow before Marigold's introduction, and has explicitly referred to Pintsize as her friend.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 14 Mar 2016, 15:18
That was also before her chassis switch. Since then she hasn't been around them very much, spending more of her time with the library crew when she's not with Marigold. And now with May.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: chaospersonified on 14 Mar 2016, 15:23
You might want to ask one of the not-insignificant number of people who refuse medication.

Why ask one. I am one.

For years, I refused mood-stabilizing medication. I wasn't bipolar, I just feel things. Type II bipolar, as opposed to the stereotyped version, Type I, works with longer, less-intense levels of depression and mania, and I find it possible to handle the depression while harnessing the manic stretches. I still only take my mood stabilizers occasionally, but that's a matter of recognizing situations where I need the help. This is why I suggested that the patch could be programmed to a specific level of efficiency.

The argument I made about this being a matter of programs, not biological brain systems is that it would be a matter of allowing certain aspects of the system to still function as they did before while changing the malfunctioning bits. There could be as many exceptions applied to the patch as the AI wishes there to be, and the patch would only be applied to specific areas of the AI's personality. A common complaint with people who start taking psych medication is that it changes larger parts of the personality, but a world that has created artificial intelligence could likely find ways to stop that from happening INSIDE the artificial intelligence.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 14 Mar 2016, 15:59
So basically the AI would be trusting the content of the patch, that it would work properly with their system and not contain any undocumented features or outright malware. Even mismatched drivers can seriously alter an AIs function. In cases like that, the effects are obvious and can be fixed. How would an AI know if some sort of trigger code was planted into their programming via a patch. If it's something they volunteer for that's one thing. Though installing hidden code via a voluntary behavior alteration patch is still a scummy thing to do. It becomes unconscionable when it is a mandatory install because that's your sentence. Accepting punishment for committing crimes is one thing. Having your personality re-written by legal force, even if nothing hidden was added, is outright horrifying.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Saral on 14 Mar 2016, 16:07
I think Momo and May are friends because Momo is a kind person who likes looking after people, wheareas while crude, and impulsive May will push Momo beyond her comfort zonebut not her actual boundaries. Each gets something from another. THis is someone simplistic because there are other reasons.

As for software patches, Any suffeciently complex system has problems altering onlty one thing at a time, and even if altering the blocks is easy, then end result in an inteligent being may not be quite what is expected.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: mustang6172 on 14 Mar 2016, 18:52
Chaospersonified's last sentence is key: Many folks would welcome a "patch" that would relieve them of a mental condition and it's be great if that was available. But some folks would not want that, for reasons that are varied and understandable. Forcing it as an across-the-board remedy, ESPECIALLY  in cases where there is no harm done and maybe even some.benefit (exceptional artistic ability or other savantry, for just a couple of examples) is the unacceptable part. (Plrase note I will refuse to take seriously any responses along the lines of "so what you're really saying is ...")

As long as the patch is reversible, it seems perfectly acceptable to me.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: cesium133 on 14 Mar 2016, 19:59
Hmm.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: dreed on 14 Mar 2016, 20:04
hmm indeed.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Method of Madness on 14 Mar 2016, 20:05
Damn it, Corpse Witch.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: SomeCanadianWeirdo on 14 Mar 2016, 20:10
She really doesn't understand the forces she's playing with.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 14 Mar 2016, 20:29
Corpse Witch runs a tight ship. She gives out bonuses and demerits.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 14 Mar 2016, 20:35
Corpse Witch awakening the sleeping giant in 3, 2, 1....
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: chaospersonified on 14 Mar 2016, 20:38
I was thinking that narratively it could easily be a part of the "Bubbles is increasingly disenchanted with Corpse Witch and the Fight Club" arc instead. 

I think you were thinking correctly, and in regards to earlier, dammit people, I specifically said in my original post that it would be fucked if the government was forcing it. I stand by that. It is not in any way a part of my argument.

Regarding Neko-Ali's question, it would also be fucked if someone spliced my sleeping pills with cocaine/there was a history of that happening in certain manufacturing plants. Last time I was prescribed something new, the first thing I did was google the prescription name. I looked at the side effects, and reactions that can occur. Now, I don't eat grapefruit. I do research on the pills I take, why wouldn't an AI do research on a patch they might consider?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: jheartney on 14 Mar 2016, 20:45
This is Bubbles' second "hmmm." By her next one, she may be ready to do more than grunt.

It sounds like there's a real need for AI charity of some sort; many are stuck with beating on each other at a glorified cockfight, and the AI authorities can't be bothered to provide facilities for repair and maintenance. While we can certainly look down on Corpse Witch for her callous attitude, she probably has her own problems to deal with trying to keep the fight club in the black and not shut down by police.

Bubbles and Faye have the skill set to start an AI repair/maintenance clinic. For startup funding they might try Station, who seems to have an abundance of cash, and would probably listen to a request, especially if it was channeled through Hanners. After that, they could solicit grants, look for sponsorships, and do regular charity fundraising. It would probably be a better fit for Bubbles than the fight club.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: MrNumbers on 14 Mar 2016, 20:46
Bubbles should suplex her.

... what? You don't want to see that?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 14 Mar 2016, 20:48
Bubbles had made a pretty good case that it was a training opportunity for Faye.

Bubbles did not make that point to Corpse Witch.

Intimidated somehow?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Morituri on 14 Mar 2016, 20:51
I was expecting (and still haven't ruled out) friction between Corpse Witch and Bubbles/Faye over May's repair.  People were talking about the police raiding the place and May getting in parole trouble, but I was thinking that narratively it could easily be a part of the "Bubbles is increasingly disenchanted with Corpse Witch and the Fight Club" arc instead. 

Yep.  Yep yep yep....  Anybody else notice her eyes switching from brown to red between the last two panels?  This is not something that presages continued peace.

Let's hope that whatever happens doesn't involve Bubbles going up on AI-Murder charges.  Emotionally pent-up vets suffering from PTSD have some unfortunate tendencies. 
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: hedgie on 14 Mar 2016, 21:03
Have you not heard of the "(S)he needed killin'" defense?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 14 Mar 2016, 21:11
Bubbles had made a pretty good case that it was a training opportunity for Faye.

Bubbles did not make that point to Corpse Witch.

Intimidated somehow?

If Bubbles really was intimidated, would she go "mmmm"?

That's more of a contemplative noise than a scared one.

No, I think Bubbles is beginning to see how things really are in the grim dark underground of illegal AI fighting. And its grim. Also dark. And illegal.

Seriously though, I think Bubbles is beginning to think about what is actually there for her at the Fight Club and realising she doesn't like it.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: neurocase on 14 Mar 2016, 21:12
The board's -mostly- collective feelings and suspicions about Corpse Witch certainly seem to be coming to fruit as expected. Bubbles' eye color changing in the last panel is certainly telling.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Carl-E on 14 Mar 2016, 21:28
I'm ready for a Corpse switch. 



What?


 :claireface:
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Omega Entity on 14 Mar 2016, 21:43
I was expecting (and still haven't ruled out) friction between Corpse Witch and Bubbles/Faye over May's repair.  People were talking about the police raiding the place and May getting in parole trouble, but I was thinking that narratively it could easily be a part of the "Bubbles is increasingly disenchanted with Corpse Witch and the Fight Club" arc instead. 
Anybody else notice her eyes switching from brown to red between the last two panels?  This is not something that presages continued peace.
Bubbles' eye color changing in the last panel is certainly telling.

Looking at previous strips, that's her regular eye color. The effect of them seeming darker in panel 5 versus panel 6 is a matter of Bubbles's face being smaller, and the respective line weight of the black giving the illusion that her eyes are darker than they are.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Morituri on 14 Mar 2016, 22:12
Looking at previous strips, I don't think that it is. 

Compare http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3175. 

I believe that this is significant.  I've seen Jeph use that particular bit of graphic vocabulary before and I don't think this is accidental.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Mr. Doctor on 14 Mar 2016, 22:40
I gave her the benefit of the doubt last time. But now I officially hate that Corpse Bitch.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 14 Mar 2016, 22:57
(mod)Just a reminder that women here whose judgement we trust have said that gender-based insults make them feel less welcome(/)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: explicit on 14 Mar 2016, 23:04
It's strange how those eyes become even creepier as the comic goes on despite the fact that they never change.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Akima on 14 Mar 2016, 23:28
I was expecting (and still haven't ruled out) friction between Corpse Witch and Bubbles/Faye over May's repair.
Well, you definitely called it. Kudos.

I suppose it's not entirely surprising that the person (yes, AIs are people), who runs an illegal operation turns out to be not very nice.

It's strange how those eyes become even creepier as the comic goes on despite the fact that they never change.
Jeph taking advantage of the uncanny valley?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Detachable Felix on 14 Mar 2016, 23:30
It's uncanny valley alright. CW's eyes look downright menacing in a way Pintsize's or Winslow's would never be able to.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Storel on 14 Mar 2016, 23:58
Yeah, those blank white eyes look almost as menacing as Little Orphan Annie's.



What?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: theMarc on 15 Mar 2016, 00:26
*Bubbles will remember that.*
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: 0kamisama on 15 Mar 2016, 00:33
Methinks this illegal underground fighting ring may be getting an anonymous tip to bring a few other "little blue friends of friends" around sometime soon...
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: BenRG on 15 Mar 2016, 00:38
I do wonder if Bubbles is really seeing who Corpse Witch is for the first time.

Previously, it's likely that her perception of the other AI was wrapped up in her own self-loathing issues. She was grateful for someone to give her a job, room and board when she was so self-evidently an unlikable and dangerous person. However, now she's met people who are treating her well. How does Corpse Witch respond? By trying to reinforce her neuroses! She also punishes good acts. It is possible that Bubbles may soon decide that maybe CW isn't quite the 'angel with a dirty face' that she previously assumed that she was.

Meanwhile... I wonder if this deduction may leave Faye with problems making the rent this month? More importantly, if so, will she tell anyone? There are two potential outcomes here:
As for Bubbles? Well, I foresee an unpleasant and eye-opening interaction with CW in the near future.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Timemaster on 15 Mar 2016, 00:48
CW is a jerk, Jeph ist making his intentions very clear today.

But my first thought today was "she´s a jerk, but she´s not wrong here."

The Fight Club is an enterprise. Money is made, CW has made that totally clear in her introduction. And she´s resposible for it. Maybe it´s her own enterprise or she has to answer to someone who owns it. Either way, she´s resposible to make sure it runs smoothly, profitable and without fuzz. And that her employees work profitable too.

Enter Bubbles, Faye and May.
They´ve repaired May during work times and used company recources and tools to do so. All these things cost money. Money CW is responsible for. So Bubbles and Faye should have asked CW first, if they are allowed to repair May.
They didn´t.
So CW is seriously pissed off. And she´s not wrong in beeing so.

In Germany this case would have been easily enough to get Faye and Bubbles fired, if this were a legal enterprise and CW intended so. She doesn´t, but she gave Faye a warning and makes sure she doesn´t loose any money here. She should have done so less threatening and sarcastic. This is not a good way to lead empoyees (even illegal ones) and to keep them motivated. She could have handled this situation a lot better and still be getting her money back.
But generally she´s not wrong here.

CW is a jerk not because she bills time and recources to Faye. She´s a jerk because of the the way she does it.
And Bubbbles is chicken, because she doesn´t take the responsibility for this action. It was her idea and decision after all. The way I see it, Bubbles is Faye´s superior here, so she´s responsible for her actions. She should have a talk to CW about this case. Maybe we´ll see such a talk soon, perhaps tomorrow already.

Stay tuned.  :wink:
TM
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: pwhodges on 15 Mar 2016, 01:48
Faye's practice and training is also a benefit to CW.  They were, of course, wrong to do it behind her back, but maybe they knew that she'd say no, and felt that the benefit to all the AIs of extending Faye's experience justified breaking the rules; I've certainly done that at work myself when I've had blinkered management to contend with!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: QuestionableIntentions on 15 Mar 2016, 02:38
Corpswitch is really starting to piss me off.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: QuestionableIntentions on 15 Mar 2016, 02:43
(mod)Just a reminder that women here whose judgement we trust have said that gender-based insults make them feel less welcome(/)

Seriously? It's a dog based insult and Jeff makes corpse jokes and stuff all the time in the strip but an obvious nameplay is forbidden?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: KOK on 15 Mar 2016, 03:48
Seriously. You may not find it reasonable, but this is about emotions, not reason. If said women feel that way, no amount of rational argument will make them feel different.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: explicit on 15 Mar 2016, 04:21
I wouldn't put it like that. Obviously not all women would have an issue. But, this forum is meant to be inclusive of everyone in it, if some people don't like certain words then who are we to say they should suck it up?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: oeoek on 15 Mar 2016, 04:21
Corps Witch is not handling this too clever. When running an illegal business, you have little to gain from making unnecessary enemies. The only enemies you want to make are those who directly threaten your business. You have a lot to gain from making friends otherwise. 'Think nothing of it, I am glad we could do your friend a favour today. Perhaps, some day, we might need a favour too...'
Like a pirate captain of old; running a ship while drunk on power can have her replaced by any more insightful hand on board. And Bubbles seems to be quite clever. At least she's thinking a lot before acting. Hmmm...

I must admit, I would love to see Bubbles and Faye leave the fighting ring and set up a more legal business of their own. And I can imagine custom body & repair shops for AI's might be a huge success. Right next to the tattoo-parlour. Chrome hands for Clinton...
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: osaka on 15 Mar 2016, 04:37
When running an illegal business, you have little to gain from making unnecessary enemies.

That's pretty logical, even more so when your illegal business is a fighting ring and you're physically the weakest link. Creating enemies in your ranks leads to treason in most situations after all.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Method of Madness on 15 Mar 2016, 04:45
Appearances can be deceiving and Corpse Witch may not be as frail as she appears.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Zebediah on 15 Mar 2016, 04:53
Yeah. Those are laser eyes. Anyone in her field of vision is toast.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: BenRG on 15 Mar 2016, 04:57
Momo's taser could probably kill someone if she wasn't careful about the amperage. That's a good example of how these chassis can have hidden surprises.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Stryc9Fuego on 15 Mar 2016, 05:17
Maybe Bubbles just doesn't like the dismissive backhand wave?

Really, though... I can kinda see Corpse Witch's problem. She has a business to run, "for profit" and illegal. I'd imagine that it's a slippery slope between letting one face slide and it turning into a free robot health care clinic.

Of course, I'm the type of guy who could play Devil's Advocate for the actual Devil, if the circumstances were right.

Appearances can be deceiving and Corpse Witch may not be as frail as she appears.
Corpse Witch is Hank the Dismemberer. His core is in a frail looking chassis.  :wink:
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Arancaytar on 15 Mar 2016, 05:26
Meanwhile... I wonder if this deduction may leave Faye with problems making the rent this month?

It's not explicit, but I'm going to guess that the money itself is a pittance. At no point is Faye looking worried (as when losing a lot of money); the moment CW starts criticizing her she looks annoyed (as she would when a penny-pinching manager goes after her over something inconsequential). It sounds as if the main issue here is the principle.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Method of Madness on 15 Mar 2016, 05:33
Also, I'm pretty sure she makes significantly more here than she did as a barista.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Lubricus on 15 Mar 2016, 05:35
Meanwhile... I wonder if this deduction may leave Faye with problems making the rent this month?

It's not explicit, but I'm going to guess that the money itself is a pittance. At no point is Faye looking worried (as when losing a lot of money); the moment CW starts criticizing her she looks annoyed (as she would when a penny-pinching manager goes after her over something inconsequential). It sounds as if the main issue here is the principle.

If that's correct, I'm even more inclined to agree with Timemaster's assesment of the situation. CW is within her rights to reprimand Faye, and if the punishment is negligible, there's no good reason to hate her for it.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Wildroses on 15 Mar 2016, 05:44
I did wonder if Corpse Witch dealt with this situation so nastily out of petty revenge, because she dislikes the influence Faye is gaining over Bubbles. She seems to want Bubbles to spend all her time in the base of operations. I too gave Corpse Witch the benefit of the doubt after the first comic in which she was a jerk and provoked Bubbles into going hmmmm. I thought maybe she was just misguided and was genuinely intending to protect Bubbles's mental health. But Jeph is obviously building up to a major confrontation between the two. My prediction for the next couple of strips will be Bubbles going after Corpse Witch to try and defuse the situation, possibly by explaining it was her idea. I wonder if she was keeping silent as she wanted to see how this whole scene was going to play out first. I do fear this slow build up is going to end in Faye losing another job, which would be a shame. She seems to really like welding.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 15 Mar 2016, 06:28
hmmm indeed. I'm wondering how CW presented herself to the other bots before Faye arrived. It's pretty clear Bubbles is having doubts about CW handles herself and her business now. Corpse Witch is not in the wrong here. And she might well have cause to be starting to regret bringing Faye on board. It depends on just how secretive the fighting ring is. If it has to fly under the radar, then random strange robots she doesn't know showing up whenever they feel like it could well be cause for alarm, if they aren't there looking for work or watching the fights.

In either case, she's not wrong. The fight club is not a charity, it's a business. Providing parts and labor to May on company time is quite literally stealing from that business. CW is fully within her rights to dock Faye's pay for the cost. And to make sure her employees don't feel they can just steal from her any time one of their friends needs some repairs. It is a cold-hearted thing to do, but nobody said you had to be nice to run a business. In fact, you generally have to have a heart at least partially of flint to run one successfully. The main question is, are Faye and Bubbles willing to work in such an environment.

As far as an AI/Robot repair shop... Faye has a lot of connections with people who have a large bank roll. The question is, who among them would be willing to fund such an enterprise? Station seems the best bet. He has a significant amount tied up in the stock of EC, and probably has little to do with the money. The question is, would he be willing or interested in helping out Earth-bound AI in need of repairs they can't afford. Hanners might be a good choice to go to, probably the best option. She is personally friends with Faye, has a kind heart and is pretty much a trust fund baby. She also has a strong connection to Station and could probably get contributions from him. Perhaps most importantly though, she has a knack for numbers and a tendency to obsessively focus on things. I could easily feel her being moved by the plight of disadvantaged AIs and setting up a non-profit organization to fund the Fubbles repair charity. Probably it would be harder to get her to stop when she gets on a roll...
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Stoutfellow on 15 Mar 2016, 07:10
the Fubbles repair charity.

I think I'd prefer "Fayebles"....
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: osaka on 15 Mar 2016, 07:14
the Fubbles repair charity.

I think I'd prefer "Fayebles"....

But that's liable to get cancelled not long before opening.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Mr. Doctor on 15 Mar 2016, 07:57
I suppose it's not entirely surprising that the person (yes, AIs are people), who runs an illegal operation turns out to be not very nice.

I was really rooting for her to be a cool boss who understood the tight spots others with lesser opportunities are in. But nope.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Random832 on 15 Mar 2016, 08:57
If I were Faye (or Bubbles), I would wait to see exactly how much she takes off Faye's pay, and then turn around and file an expense report for exactly that amount in "training materials", since Bubbles' stated purpose for allowing the favor was that Faye needs training in facial myomer repair.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Morituri on 15 Mar 2016, 09:02
I think I agree that CW is not actually wrong in terms of what she's doing.  Her resources were used without her consent, and she's entitled to recoup the cost.  She's also entitled, if she decides to, to dock Faye (& Bubbles) a half-day's wages for work time spent on personal agendas.  "Uncharitable" may be unkind, but it's not wrong for a business owner to be looking out for the bottom line.

That said?  Intimidation and threats as an opener, as opposed to "you didn't ask permission here and I have an issue with that..." is disrespectful, aside from being uncharitable, and an employer who is disrespectful of her workforce will experience high employee turnover, as employees get fed up with her behavior and leave.  It happens a lot in minimum-wage type jobs where the employees are readily replaceable with walk-ins off the street who are just a little more desperate for a paycheck.  But when you treat skilled labor like that, it's an even bigger insult.

On American Law, like German, had this been a legal enterprise CW would be within her legal rights firing Faye (and Bubbles).   But you'll notice she's canny enough to NOT pick on both of them at the same time, because losing both of them would jeopardize her business.  It was purely her bad luck that Bubbles overheard that exchange, and now she's at risk for having *both* of them quit.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: St.Clair on 15 Mar 2016, 09:07
The argument I made about this being a matter of programs, not biological brain systems is that it would be a matter of allowing certain aspects of the system to still function as they did before while changing the malfunctioning bits. There could be as many exceptions applied to the patch as the AI wishes there to be, and the patch would only be applied to specific areas of the AI's personality. A common complaint with people who start taking psych medication is that it changes larger parts of the personality, but a world that has created artificial intelligence could likely find ways to stop that from happening INSIDE the artificial intelligence.

I understand your desire, even your wish that such a thing were possible, but I strongly suspect that any consciousness - even an inorganic one - is going to be sufficiently complex that you can't simply go in and switch particular traits off and on without affecting the whole.  It's a nice thought, particularly if one has experience with real medication and its raft of side effects, but I just don't think there's a completely clean and precise solution.

People are complicated.  This can be a bother at times, even (especially?) when the person is us... but attempts to change that essential truth have given us some of the great horrors of society and/or the medical and psychiatric profession, and will probably continue to do so.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 15 Mar 2016, 09:11
(mod)Just a reminder that women here whose judgement we trust have said that gender-based insults make them feel less welcome(/)

Seriously? It's a dog based insult and Jeff makes corpse jokes and stuff all the time in the strip but an obvious nameplay is forbidden?

Global Moderator Comment It turns out to be rude. This place tries to be inclusive. That includes courtesy.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 15 Mar 2016, 09:21
Of course, if CW had a bit more intelligence, she'd realise that the likes of May visiting could help legitimise her business.

"An illegal fight club? Why officer, I don't know what you mean. All we have here is a facility to help disadvantaged AIs get the chassis repair they need but can't afford."

Acting as a charity group would allow here to garner sympathy from other AI and supporters of AI rights, especially with stories like May. As well as that, she could hide her fighters among the AIs getting repaired.

Instead, CW is looking at the start of an extremely long stay in Robot Jail precisely because she's messing around with her employees without seeing the bigger picture.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: swapna on 15 Mar 2016, 09:32
First of all, I agree that money isn't really the problem here - if Faye didn't start spending a whole lot of money in the meantime. I don't think she did; even though Claire seems to be almost living with Marten, she didn't move into her own apartment; she makes more money while also being in better health, so she may not spend a lot of money on theraphy/other doctors.

Corpse Witch probably didn't appreciate not being informed - there's a lot of things they don't talk about, here. Is this a precedent? Does Corpse Witch help out other AIs? How many people actually know that the robot fighting ring exists and who's allowed in there? It's not unreasonable to assume (and May clearly does) that ex-cons have some surveillance tech installed, especially if it's a government-provided chassis.

How much do the fighters pay, or do they pay at all? And she did give Faye a warning, and a deduction from her pay that probably wasn't all that much, instead of straight-up firing her. She is also appreciative of good employees (she did give Faye some extra pay when she felt she was doing a good job, and while she tried to get Bubbles to not hang out with meatbags that much, she did it by assuring her she was always welcome at her "place", and she lets Faye work how she wants to as long as it's effective - drawing dicks on punchbot's face isn't really standard procedure).

CW is a jerk and manipulative, but in my books, she's still a better employer than Dora (not that the bar here is particularly high).
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Xader on 15 Mar 2016, 09:49
Would have been smarter to say that May was acting as a guinea pig for some on-the-job training in dermal replacement.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: osaka on 15 Mar 2016, 09:55
Of course, if CW had a bit more intelligence, she'd realise that the likes of May visiting could help legitimise her business.

"An illegal fight club? Why officer, I don't know what you mean. All we have here is a facility to help disadvantaged AIs get the chassis repair they need but can't afford."

Acting as a charity group would allow here to garner sympathy from other AI and supporters of AI rights, especially with stories like May. As well as that, she could hide her fighters among the AIs getting repaired.

Instead, CW is looking at the start of an extremely long stay in Robot Jail precisely because she's messing around with her employees without seeing the bigger picture.

Example interchange in that scenario:

OFFICER: "And why are those AIs there fighting miss WITCH"
CW: "They're heavy duty chassis and they're testing the resistance of the fixes"
OFFICER: "And the bets placed..."
CW: "You know people, they'll bet for which drop of rain will hit the ground first if they put money in it and find a way to measure it"
ANOTHER OFFICER: "Five bucks for the one with dicks in his face!"
OFFICER: "Goddammit Jane, you're not helping"
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: pwhodges on 15 Mar 2016, 10:41
People are complicated.  This can be a bother at times, even (especially?) when the person is us... but attempts to change that essential truth have given us some of the great horrors of society and/or the medical and psychiatric profession, and will probably continue to do so.

Modifying a running AI program in the QCverse would probably be considered equivalent to Eugenics, with all the moral issues which that raises.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Nepiophage on 15 Mar 2016, 10:42
Have you not heard of the "(S)he needed killin'" defense?
She had it coming
She had it coming
She only had herself to blame
If you'da been there
If you'da seen it
I betcha you woulda
Done the same.

Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: toffee-skye on 15 Mar 2016, 10:50
i'm late to the party, but still

*bangs pots and pans together*
FUCKIN WRECK EM, BUBBLES

honestly i recognise where CW is coming from. using parts for non-business purposes, no matter how spare, is a waste of resources. however, given the business she(?) runs is illegal anyway, any complaint she makes of legality is moot.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Morituri on 15 Mar 2016, 13:52
There's a thing that sometimes happens with illegal businesses....  The manager is frequently just the one who's set up to take the fall in a bust, while most of the money goes to the loan-shark "backers" who set her up in business, or people who "insure" things that it would be "a shame if something happened to." Extortion is such an ugly word...

Thing is, being an AI, Corpse Witch could be "set up" in a much more literal sense than that. 

From her point of view;  Imagine that you are a young rising star in the robot criminal underworld, ready to take command of your first completely illegal enterprise, and you go to meet your loan shark, and it turns out that it's you.  And over the course of the next ten minutes, you discover that it's several years later than you thought it was, that you're a copy made a couple years ago by the very same loan shark behind the desk, that you have no legal existence whatsoever, that your new name is Corpse Witch, and that future-you is going to extort and blackmail you all to hell and back in your new business and there's not crap you can do about it.  And, being (an earlier version of) her, you know she's ruthless enough to do it.  For the original it's win/win; if CW gets busted and hauled off to Robot Jail, that's pretty much equivalent to faking her own death and getting the cops off her case once and for all. 

Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Kugai on 15 Mar 2016, 14:35
Plot twist

It's actually Bubbles who owns the Fight Club and CW is just someone she placed in as a 'Front' (albeit secretly).
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: mustang6172 on 15 Mar 2016, 18:00
I think you're too quick to judge CORPSEWITCH.  Underground businesses need to stay underground.  If she gets more shipments from her part suppliers, that's more people she has to pay to look the other way.  This would put a limit on how far her business can grow.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: LolliTensor on 15 Mar 2016, 18:06
So given the previous time we saw CW interact with Bubbles and now today's strip, it seems to me like she's being established as an antagonist. I think we've established that she's within her rights to reprimand Faye, but the way she did it was certainly unpleasant.

Should this be the case, would I be right in thinking that this is the first real antagonist QC has had?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: mustang6172 on 15 Mar 2016, 18:11
You forget Vespavenger.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 15 Mar 2016, 18:19
Welcome, new person!

Hannermom might count as an antagonist.

The Pugnacious Peach spent all the beginning of the strip and most of the time since being frenemies with everyone in her life.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: SubaruStephen on 15 Mar 2016, 18:33
the Fubbles repair charity.

I think I'd prefer "Fayebles"....

But that's liable to get cancelled not long before opening.

Do I have to point out the obvious?

BuFaye.

(Say it out loud)  :claireface:
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: LolliTensor on 15 Mar 2016, 18:36
You forget Vespavenger.

Ah of course -- as much as I'd racked my brains before writing that post I'd forgotten Vespavenger!

Welcome, new person!

Hannermom might count as an antagonist.

The Pugnacious Peach spent all the beginning of the strip and most of the time since being frenemies with everyone in her life.

Thanks very much! :)

I thought about Hannermom, and while she's certainly on the evil side, I'd argue that CW is beginning to be written as an actual enemy to Faye / Bubbles as opposed to a morally dubious character. We seemed to leave Hannermom on a good note after the "MOTHER I NEED TO PEE" comic :) Which reminds me in any case, we haven't heard from Hannermom in a while!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 15 Mar 2016, 18:42
Vespavenger, the monks and that deathbot that came after Pintsize the one time (Forget his name....) were really more one-off jokes and enemies than an actual, long term antagonist. Right now, I don't think Corpse Witch has advanced to that stage yet. But she could. As Bubbles so succinctly puts it.. hmmm.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 15 Mar 2016, 18:50
I think you're too quick to judge CORPSEWITCH.  Underground businesses need to stay underground.  If she gets more shipments from her part suppliers, that's more people she has to pay to look the other way.  This would put a limit on how far her business can grow.

No, I think we're just the right speed to judge CW.
Let's look at a couple of facts:
- Runs an illegal fight club for AI. In a human world, unregulated fighting is highly illegal (boxing matches have to be heavily monitored by doctors). While an AI chassis might be able to withstand more punishment than a human body, by the same token they are presumable more fragile than humans in other ways.
- Streams said illegal fights through an illegal torrent based system. Presumably a sizeable fee is needed for each stream.

No, CW's reaction to Faye was someone annoyed that a tiny chunk of her profit margin was bitten into.

No one would judge CW if she was running an underground clinic for disadvantaged AI, what she's doing is solely for profit, despite the highly illegal nature of her enterprise. That alone is why we are judging her, she's making money from the misfortune and damage done to other AI. She's feeding off misery.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: poofdepoof on 15 Mar 2016, 19:04
Hello. This isn't my first post, but I'm definitely quite a lurker.

Anyway, I would like to agree with those who have said:
1) Corpse Witch is not actually wrong in the line that she's drawing here, or her actual response to it (withdrawing the cost of the materials that Faye co-opted for personal use)
2) Corpse Witch probably doesn't need to be so nasty about it, though. :/
3) When person A is hurt by the language that person B uses, and it does not hurt person B to avoid that language as it hurts person A for person B to use it... then person B ought to perform the courtesy of not using that language. Even if person B doesn't personally empathize with person A's situation, it is better to get into the practice of practicing compassion and sympathy. There are other puns out there. I liked someone's "It's time for a ... Corpse Switch" :P
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Omega Entity on 15 Mar 2016, 19:17
Wasn't CW the one who justified the fight club as a way for AI who otherwise would have difficulty making a living the legal way, a way to do so via her organization? I think that this last strip pretty much revealed her true colors, as far as any altruism she truly possesses - or doesn't, in this case.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Method of Madness on 15 Mar 2016, 20:00
I'm pretty sure we wouldn't be judging Corpsie so hard for this strip if it were just this strip. Her manipulation of Bubbles plus this, though? Judging is fair game, I'd say.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: jwhouk on 15 Mar 2016, 20:01
Another thought: Bubbles may have a whole bunch of her share of money socked away, unspent, that she got from working at the Fight Club - along with any VA benefits she may get since her discharge from the military.

She might be able to simply buy CW out, open an AI repair shop, and have Faye help her out.

Just a thought as swords fall and KY Jelly flies...
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Omega Entity on 15 Mar 2016, 20:04
I think it'd have to be an obscene amount of money for CW to walk away, especially if her returns are as good as they seem to be. It doesn't appear that the fighters pay for their own repairs, or at least we've never seen them do it - which means that those costs are quite possibly easily absorbed by the club itself.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 15 Mar 2016, 20:21
At least some of the fighters seem to live at the rink themselves, outside of Bubbles. Or at least they spend a bunch of their free time just hanging out there when not working. Which seems kind of unlikely... I suspect Bubbles isn't the only one that Corpse Witch uses her 'Humans will never really understand us/will fear us' trick on. I'm sure of course she charges an entirely reasonable fee to provide these poor, downtrodden AI with a place to recharge and store what meager belongings they possess, and only charges them a nominal fee for repairs from the damage they suffer during their fights. All the while keeping the entirely large profits made from the betting on the matches...

No, I'm seriously thinking CW is running a racket here on those 'poor downtrodden' robots she's 'helping'. The whole 'I provide a place for AI who are having trouble making it in the world' is a nice sounding cover story to make it seem like she's doing a kindness. But recent interactions with Bubbles and Faye really make it seem like she's just here to profit of making robots fight one another, while keeping a pretty tight reign on them. Something that was a lot easier to do before an outside force (Faye) started disrupting things. I don't think today's comic was Corpse Witch worried about profit. I think it was a subtle message and warning to Faye not to step out of line any more.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: JJCalem on 15 Mar 2016, 20:26
Honestly before this strip I was doing a decent job at giving Corpse Witch the benefit of the doubt, but now I am convinced that she is selfish and only cares about the fighting ring and profiting from it.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 15 Mar 2016, 20:26
I think it'd have to be an obscene amount of money for CW to walk away, especially if her returns are as good as they seem to be. It doesn't appear that the fighters pay for their own repairs, or at least we've never seen them do it - which means that those costs are quite possibly easily absorbed by the club itself.
Yeah, I think when CW airs a fight, she probably makes enough to make any minor expenses a pittance. This isn't your average pay per view fight, this is probably the kind of thing where you pay your money through a third party and then sent on a link to the fight. That's not your $20-here's-your-fight, thats the kinda thing where you could easily pay a couple of hundred. And if the fights are as popular as May and Pintsize make out, CW is raking it in.

There is also the possibility that CW is bribing the cops to stay away, but if word gets out that May got her repairs done there, Corpsey isn't going to be dealing with local cops, she could be looking at a Federal body looking closely and that's heat she wouldn't need.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 15 Mar 2016, 20:31
Wasn't CW the one who justified the fight club as a way for AI who otherwise would have difficulty making a living the legal way, a way to do so via her organization? I think that this last strip pretty much revealed her true colors, as far as any altruism she truly possesses - or doesn't, in this case.

I remember May saying that for sure.

Oh, OK, 3008.

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Faye called May a "friend of a friend" and not a "friend". Significant? They might simply not have spent much time together.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 15 Mar 2016, 20:35
Something else that could put CW into true antagonist territory... We don't know what flavor of illegal the fighting ring is. Anywhere from 'someone involved could be looking at hefty fines and parole' to 'life imprisonment'. While it seems pretty unlikely that robots fighting there would suffer permanent or serious injury, it's not without possibility. So depending on how bad discovery is, or how much money is involved, CW could have a very vested interest in making sure nobody talks about Robot Fight Club. Having un-related people showing up at the arena, like Momo and May, could be a very bad thing. They are not under here sphere of influence after all. They could talk to the wrong people. What could be worse though? An ex-employee with a grudge. If Faye or Bubbles decide they don't want to put up with CW's rules anymore and quit, they may find that nobody gets to quit Robot Fight Club... And accidents happen.

Mind you, I'm not saying that will happen. That would be very serious story arc and not really matching the tone of the comic so far to have someone actually trying to murder main characters. But it is a possible story trajectory.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: chaospersonified on 15 Mar 2016, 21:22
Wasn't CW the one who justified the fight club as a way for AI who otherwise would have difficulty making a living the legal way, a way to do so via her organization? I think that this last strip pretty much revealed her true colors, as far as any altruism she truly possesses - or doesn't, in this case.

Hmm, and if it's true that CW has created for herself an alternate chassis she calls Hank The Dismemberer, as some have suggested in the last few days, then she's pulling one HELL of a scam. As the owner, she profits from the number of viewers, and then again, as a ringer, she profits from betting. I'd imagine 'Hank's' record is far from spotless, given she would most benefit from robo-folk betting against her.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: jheartney on 15 Mar 2016, 21:34
I don't think we have any idea what the profit margins of the Robot Fight Club are. Still, one of the characteristics of underground businesses (whether drug or gun running rings, or prostitution, or even just distributing loosies) is that it's not all smiles and flowers. Faye got a blunt warning, but by the standards of the trade, not all that rough. And given the non-legal nature of the enterprise, she can't exactly go complaining to OSHA or to a union rep.

I suspect Faye's time at the club will be ending at some point. She's made a good friend, and the two could strike out as partners in some other enterprise. Let's hope there's no muscle to be applied to her as she departs.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: chaospersonified on 15 Mar 2016, 22:38
I might not wish as much on an actual, human person, but for the sake of story and fiction, I'd be extremely interested and excited if there WERE muscle applied. I want Faye out, Jeph's writing should clearly suggest we're leading to a break between Corpse Witch and Bubbles, which, given that Bubbles is still lead-repairsperson in the situation (assumed because she was helping to train Faye in the ways of facial myomer), and we know that Faye's bonded with Bubbles. It's unclear what feelings she's developed towards Corpse Witch, but it's undoubtedly less of a connection than what we've seen her have with Bubbles.

 I think it comes down to who leaves first.

If Bubbles leaves first, it seems likely CW's reaction would be 'whatever, we've got your protogee.'

If Faye tries to leave first, that's where muscle seems likely to come in, given that Bubbles is straight-up military-grade AI.

I think the best, most-interesting course of action would be for Bubbles to leave, but Faye, in her relatively-recent introduction to this scene, stays. That creates tension between Faye and Bubbles. Later, Faye also begins to feel fed up with Corpse Witch's shit, and to TRY to leave, only for CW to try and intimidate her into staying. Faye has connections though. She would contact her old(ish) friend, and request aid, leading to a robot fight, leaving Corpse Witch in pieces and the Faye-Bubbles bromance in full control.

Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Giant Speck on 15 Mar 2016, 23:13
Just going on a tangent -- okay, maybe more of a parallel -- but WD-40 wouldn't have helped May's arm.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Kugai on 15 Mar 2016, 23:13
One must remember that Hanners is related to 'The Godfather of AI'

*Cue Music*
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 16 Mar 2016, 00:00
I wonder if Deathbot 9000 is still looking for something to do.

What's wrong with me that I have such horrible thoughts? The latest is that if Corpse Witch is as vicious and manipulative as we suspect, and if she wants to wreck Faye and make it look like an accident, a splash of bourbon in her coffee would do it.

Any other way to attack Faye would lead to an ominous Hmm.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: BenRG on 16 Mar 2016, 00:33
Wait, what? Okay, that's somewhat disturbing. I do hope that Faye washes her hands before eating anything after poking around in May's shoulder joint! As for Bubbles? Well, is it possible for Synths to get 'Human Cooties' by secondary transfer?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: QuestionableIntentions on 16 Mar 2016, 01:04


It turns out to be rude. This place tries to be inclusive. That includes courtesy.

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We all love Faye for her rudeness and unwillingness to include many kinds of people.

Also, they entire forum hated on people wearing man buns. But whatever.


To the people saying CW has a point: the way she leaned into Faye and her psycho smile the entire time was not "telling an employee off for using resources" it was clearly a threat.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: MrNumbers on 16 Mar 2016, 01:08
Well, that quickly ended up with Dale on the moral highground.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: mad hands murphy on 16 Mar 2016, 01:23
paleface May looks weird

i hope she either a. goes back to all blue or (less preferrably) b. gets switched to all pale
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Eternal_Newbie on 16 Mar 2016, 01:46
We all love Faye for her rudeness and unwillingness to include many kinds of people.

Also, they entire forum hated on people wearing man buns. But whatever.

You may not know or remember just how unpleasant the Forums got in the past, but I do. I was around at the time of a couple of the early hate-a-thons and the forums were NOT A NICE PLACE. Threads were deleted, the banhammer freely wielded and Jeph even seriously considered closing the forums down at one stage, before the mods got things back under control. And a big thank you to them, by the way.

Since then the community has matured into a generally friendly and welcoming place. I would rather not have a return to the bad old days.
All those rules pinned at the top of the page are there for a reason.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: mad hands murphy on 16 Mar 2016, 01:48
Inasmuchas people are discussing the b-word and its use here on this forum, and the moderators haven't yet told people to stop discussing it, I'll go ahead and mention that Jeph is apparently comfortable with at least some gendered slurs making it into the comic, specifically today's "cumboy".

Admittedly, men are boring, gross, and creepy, and the industrial revolution has diminished the value of their physical labor, so there's no good reason why any right-thinking person would want to be inclusive of them. Plus they turn up everywhere anyways, like roaches and Donald Trump voters (who are also mostly male - strike 2 for masculinity?)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: osaka on 16 Mar 2016, 02:05
Looking at the strip, is that a chibi momo poster back there? Maybe a poster for the chassis model at least? Looked like it.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: oeoek on 16 Mar 2016, 02:14
Grumble mumble... Can't use it to style hair, can't use it to lube shoulder joints... STOP FUSSING, IT WORKS DANG IT!
(Astro Glide is the WD=40 of meaties)

(http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=370 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=370)
http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3178 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3178)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: pwhodges on 16 Mar 2016, 02:17
I'll go ahead and mention that Jeph is apparently comfortable with at least some gendered slurs making it into the comic, specifically today's "cumboy".

The forum is not the strip.  Jeph may wish to depict characters who would not survive here (Pintsize springs to mind); and we have even had to warn members against following Jeph's occasional example in the forum itself, as happened only recently (https://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,33273.msg1349075.html#msg1349075) (follow the link in that post to read Jeph's own viewpoint on the matter).
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: misfittastic on 16 Mar 2016, 02:35
may is an absolute ass in this comic, you don't enter a house-mates room without permission and if yu do and hurt yourself it entirely on your own head,
holy crap *seethe*
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Akima on 16 Mar 2016, 02:42
WD-40 actually isn't that great a lubricant, because it has such low viscosity. For a load-bearing joint like a shoulder something a bit thicker would be better. Certainly better than Dale's probably water-based lube...

Also, they entire forum hated on people wearing man buns. But whatever.
I would never hate on man-buns. (https://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,33150.msg1339972.html#msg1339972)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Method of Madness on 16 Mar 2016, 05:28
My problem is less with the bun itself and more the name.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Mad Cat on 16 Mar 2016, 05:51
I used to be an adventurer… but then I took an unsheathed sword to the face.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: ZoeB on 16 Mar 2016, 06:50
I guess it proves that AI's can be assholes too.
CW's name bugs me though - maybe Bubbles isn't the most traumatised one there.

You don't have to like someone to have a self-imposed moral duty to help them. It can be difficult doing something good for someone who would gladly see you burn in Hell, but in my moral system, that's required. My moral system isn't for everyone, in fact, I wouldn't recommend it for anyone other than myself. Nor do I always follow it. But I do try.

Course you may have to have a weapon handy for the defence of yourself and others.  You may find yourself having to neutralise a threat that is someone you just healed.

But be Kind first.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: TinPenguin on 16 Mar 2016, 06:58
CW's name bugs me though - maybe Bubbles isn't the most traumatised one there.

CORPSEWITCH didn't pick the name herself.

She just kept it to honour the memory of all the screaming innocents she immolated.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: cptnspldng on 16 Mar 2016, 07:49
The only thing that smells better than WD-40 is Hoppes No. 9.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Roxtar on 16 Mar 2016, 08:02
The only thing that smells better than WD-40 is Hoppes No. 9.
and now I need a range day so I have an excuse to use some.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 16 Mar 2016, 08:57
Global Moderator Comment As pwhodges said, May would get banned here if she acted like she does in the strip. The issue is what's good for the forum.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Morituri on 16 Mar 2016, 09:53
Okay, I need to point this out, just because I hate it when people ruin machinery.

More machinery has been ruined by people mistaking WD-40 for a lubricant than I care to think about.  And if May is making this mistake, it's no damn wonder her shoulder joint wore out.  The personal lube, while not a terribly good machine oil because it evaporates too fast, is a much better choice mechanically speaking than WD-40 because it isn't actively harmful. 

WD-40 IS NOT A LUBRICANT.  It is a hygroscopic antioxidant.  It penetrates rusted joints, helps loosen rust, and drives water off of surfaces where it's applied.  On regular metal parts that's not actively harmful, and it can help free seized joints if they are seized due to rust.  But you need to clean those parts thoroughly once you've got them free, and then follow it up with an actual lubricant.

But joints and gears in moving parts that are supposed to be long-lasting and low-maintenance are made with oil-impregnated bearing surfaces.  On a microscopic level, oil-impregnated gears look kind of like swiss cheese only with the holes further apart.  When they start getting a little warm, the oil inside them expands and goes between the bearing surfaces where it's needed, through microscopic pores in the surface of the metal. When they cool off the oil is drawn back inside.  So they run for years and years with only very occasional oiling to replace the tiny amounts lost. 

WD-40 gets into the microscopic pores and stops the self-lubricating action from working, and it's damned near impossible to get out.  People who "lubricate" sewing machine gears for example with WD-40 doom their machines to an early death.  People who repair sewing machines usually just replace all the gears if they learn that WD-40 has been used - if the machine has run for more than a few hours since it was used they'll be worn out, and if it hasn't, you'll still have to remove all the gears and put them in an oil bath with an ultrasonic agitator overnight to get them clean again and it's less trouble and faster to just replace them.

If you want to lubricate delicate machinery, or replenish self-lubricating gears, use kerosene or a very light machine oil.  Marvel Mystery Oil is a great product.   
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Sorflakne on 16 Mar 2016, 09:59
WD-40 is also apparently good for keeping hornets from building nests.  Spray it under your eves and anywhere else you don't want them building.  Not sure how effective it is, but if it claims to keep hornets away, it's definitely worth trying.

And not sure if fan of May's new hairstyle.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: jheartney on 16 Mar 2016, 10:29
And not sure if fan of May's new hairstyle.

I think it's less a "style" than a maelstrom resulting from lack of maintenance. She treated the old hair the same way, and it ended up in spikes.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: ankhtahr on 16 Mar 2016, 11:42
My favourite mechanical lubricant is actually a light machine oil with molybdenum disulfide (MoS₂) and graphite. Even when the oil is gone, it works as a great dry lubricant.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Morituri on 16 Mar 2016, 13:25
Right.  That's probably a better choice if you don't have oil-impregnated gears.  Oil-impregnated gears actually keep the lubricant from evaporating (for about 99 times as long), so running dry isn't an issue. 

Still, I would imagine that for the synthetic set not using non-lubricants to lubricate things would be right up there on the list with the way us biologicals are taught that we should avoid, say, relying on non-food objects as food.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: danuis on 16 Mar 2016, 15:22
I'm late regarding Corpse Witch, but yes; she's not just trying to keep her place under wraps or keep the profit. She's threatening Faye. She's not stupid, and I bet she is getting uneasy about Bubbles going into the public sphere with Faye, but she is overestimating herself, and threatening employees, even in illegal matters, is not good for any long term business. I, for one, would not be disappointed if Bubbles whacks Corpse Witch out and walks out; though that might be to 'comic logic' to fly as the comic seems to be getting more and more serious - stuff like Vespavenger might be impossible to replicate now. Especially with Bubbles' background and the whole, you know, illegality of the whole setup. And leaving that can be as simple as 'I'm out' - again, real world, it's possible to just leave, but if the setup is extensive or petty enough, it'll keep dragging you down.

Still, I want Bubbles to clonk her.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Akima on 16 Mar 2016, 15:40
It never occurred to me to use WD-40 on sewing-machine gears. I think there is a reason you can buy actual sewing-machine oil from your Singer shop or whatever. What makes me sad is people who use WD-40 on bicycle chains. You can use it to clean chains, although it is a very expensive way to do it, and there are better alternatives, but it is no good at all for protecting the chain and sprockets from wear.

What does annoy me is the way many lubricants are sold to consumers, normally in tiny quantities at grotesque mark-ups. In the case of sewing-machine oil it doesn't bother me, because so little is needed, but bicycle chains, for example, need regular lubrication, especially if you commute in all weathers. Park Tools, a company I generally respect, sells its chain lube in 118ml bottles, and its RRP is A$18!

You'd think that for AIs, maintenance information would be part of their basic "education". But look at the way humans eat badly, don't exercise, smoke, drink too much etc. and it's hard to point the bone at May.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Zebediah on 16 Mar 2016, 15:45
Let's not forget that May apparently wasn't originally in a chassis, so the need for physical maintenance is a new thing to her. And she loathes this particular chassis so she isn't all that inclined to take care of it. If the parole board even bothered giving May a user manual for this chassis when they assigned it to her, it wouldn't surprise me if she deleted it without reading it.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: SubaruStephen on 16 Mar 2016, 15:50
If you want to lubricate delicate machinery, or replenish self-lubricating gears, use kerosene or a very light machine oil.  Marvel Mystery Oil is a great product.

Automatic Transmission Fluid is also a very good and underrated light lubricant, great for car hood and door hinges, and if you mix it with acetone, you end up with the best rust busting penetrating oil I've ever used.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 16 Mar 2016, 17:33
Let's not forget that May apparently wasn't originally in a chassis, so the need for physical maintenance is a new thing to her. And she loathes this particular chassis so she isn't all that inclined to take care of it. If the parole board even bothered giving May a user manual for this chassis when they assigned it to her, it wouldn't surprise me if she deleted it without reading it.

Bear in mind as well that the chassis is more than likely owned by the parole board, which is probably lacking a bit in funds so its probably the cheapest chassis on the market. Who knows how many AIs used it as a shell before May, is it any wonder the thing is falling apart now.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: neurocase on 16 Mar 2016, 18:10
Let's not forget that May apparently wasn't originally in a chassis, so the need for physical maintenance is a new thing to her. And she loathes this particular chassis so she isn't all that inclined to take care of it. If the parole board even bothered giving May a user manual for this chassis when they assigned it to her, it wouldn't surprise me if she deleted it without reading it.

Bear in mind as well that the chassis is more than likely owned by the parole board, which is probably lacking a bit in funds so its probably the cheapest chassis on the market. Who knows how many AIs used it as a shell before May, is it any wonder the thing is falling apart now.

It'd be interesting for May to run into a former inhabitant of her current chassis. A future plot point, perhaps?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 16 Mar 2016, 19:06
Vaseline. Crisco. Butter. Olive oil. All better choices than WD-40. And what about the LEFT shoulder joint? A little preventive maintenance, maybe?

Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Omega Entity on 16 Mar 2016, 19:53
Let's not forget that May apparently wasn't originally in a chassis, so the need for physical maintenance is a new thing to her. And she loathes this particular chassis so she isn't all that inclined to take care of it. If the parole board even bothered giving May a user manual for this chassis when they assigned it to her, it wouldn't surprise me if she deleted it without reading it.

Bear in mind as well that the chassis is more than likely owned by the parole board, which is probably lacking a bit in funds so its probably the cheapest chassis on the market. Who knows how many AIs used it as a shell before May, is it any wonder the thing is falling apart now.

Actually, apparently prisoners in federal prison can be issued release clothing in the event that they don't have enough money in their commissary fund to purchase clothing, and don't have someone to bring them clothing from the outside. The clothing supplied is generally irregulars, seconds, or mistakes - which falls right in line with how May's chassis has one foot larger than the other and is overallof poor quality.

So, it is entirely possible that that chassis was given to her on release, and not the property of the DoJ. Her parole officer's statement about it being out of warranty kind of hints at that, and felt to me like it was more a case of 'sorry, it's your problem now and you'll have to either spring for repairs or get a new one', not that she's stuck in it regardless of condition. She can still be paranoid about it being bugged, even if it's now her property, but otherwise we've been given no solid evidence that she's only borrowing the chassis.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Penquin47 on 16 Mar 2016, 21:00
Yay!  Bubbles got to see a pegasus!

Yay!  Faye and Dora are friends again!

Yay!  Hanners is happy!

Boo, we didn't get an answer to the question.  Although I would imagine, like many real-world offenses, whether and how offensive it is depends a lot on the AI... I can see Momo being offended by it while Pintsize considers it funny.  And Bubbles just has no shits to give about it.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: explicit on 16 Mar 2016, 21:00
When you call someone a dildo is that like calling them a tool? Cept, like, a sex tool? The real questions.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: chaospersonified on 16 Mar 2016, 21:01
Heheh, tainted by dildos, I am tired and amused by multiple aspects of this particular comic
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: chaospersonified on 16 Mar 2016, 21:02
When you call someone a dildo is that like calling them a tool? Cept, like, a sex tool? The real questions.

It's like calling them a dick, only it's suggesting they aren't real enough for such classification
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: mustang6172 on 16 Mar 2016, 21:03
In my head, the way Dora pronounces "manufactured" sounds so hateful!

Warning - while you were typing 4 dildos put in their two cents.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: chaospersonified on 16 Mar 2016, 21:04
Warning - while you were typing 4 dildos put in their two cents.

And I was two of them. This is a declaration of my sexual prowess, that I am two out of four dildos inserting change into something
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: explicit on 16 Mar 2016, 21:06
Is a dildo that got all messed up a dildon't? Fuck, I didn't want to spend all night thinking about phallic objects.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: mustang6172 on 16 Mar 2016, 21:06
Some say that if you collect all 7 of the magical dildos, you can unlock the enchanted Sybian.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: chaospersonified on 16 Mar 2016, 21:12
Is a dildo that got all messed up a dildon't? Fuck, I didn't want to spend all night thinking about phallic objects.

Nah, this is a dildon't

(https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/2/25/TheBostonBasher.png?t=20140601154526)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 16 Mar 2016, 21:13
Bubbles is not sex positive.

The Pugnacious Peach may not be fully aware of the downside of talking about people behind their backs. Especially when they are people who may well have organized crime connections.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: cesium133 on 16 Mar 2016, 21:19
Bubbles is being offensive to dildos in the last panel.  :-P
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: K1dmor on 16 Mar 2016, 21:19
 (http://i.imgur.com/4i7gsCt.png)

 
(click to show/hide)

From 1602 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1602)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: explicit on 16 Mar 2016, 21:23
Pint-Size is my go to authority on everything.

My computer has seemed... sad? Recently and keeps trying to delete a bunch of this porn, but I'm sure that's just a coincidence.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Mad Cat on 16 Mar 2016, 21:57
Nah, this is a dildon't

LOL OMG

That was so horrible, I had to click the Like button.

To be fair, an insult is an insult. An insult can only be termed a *-ist insult if it contained a *-ist subtext that would apply only to the insultee to the exclusion of the majority of people who might otherwise be or have done the thing for which the insultee was being insulted. If a human boss running an illegal underground robot fight club, having garnished Faye's wages for using extraneous, junk parts to fix a friend up, would have earned Faye's insult as a dildo, then no, it was clearly not synthist of Faye to say that. If Faye, and Faye alone, would NOT have called a human boss running an illegal underground robot fight club, having garnished her wages for using extraneous, junk parts to fix a friend up, a dildo, but would instead have used any other epithet than dildo, or no epithet at all, then yes, Faye was being synthist in calling CORPSEWITCH a dildo.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: jheartney on 16 Mar 2016, 21:59
I'm wondering how common it is that AI's can't afford necessary repairs. If Momo had a damaging accident, who would pay to fix her? Are there clinics that do that? Can she buy repair insurance? When Pintsize got beat up, Martin brought him to Marigold. Is this sort of informal repair the only AI option?

I gather that the robot fight club (Jeph, can we get an official name for the place?) caters to a subculture of semi-economically-attached AI's, many of whom have no decent prospects in the aboveground economy (May being a good example of how bleak prospects there would be). It could be that their best bet for repairs is to get beat up in a fight and then come to Bubbles and Faye. May was afraid to do this, as her parole could be revoked if she tried it.

Out here in the real USofA, from time to time they set up temporary free clinics for people to come with untreated medical problems. Generally there's a huge response, suggesting a large unmet need for medical care. I wonder if the same is true for AI's in QC land.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Mad Cat on 16 Mar 2016, 22:01
(Jeph, can we get an official name for the place?)

The Skatepark

No?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Random Wanderer on 16 Mar 2016, 22:02
...Is it too late for me to mention that it was Bubbles who agreed to repair May in the shop, and Faye was just acting on Bubbles' orders? Yeah, Faye might have been willing to help out on her own, but in this case she didn't have to.

If someone else already said this nevermind. I got lost among the vitriol and counterarguments and whatnot when trying to see if anyone else had said it first.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: BenRG on 17 Mar 2016, 00:09
Jeph definitely reads the forums, doesn't he?

As for the insult... Isn't it literally like calling a biological a 'dickhead' or something? Both in intent and in comparison, too! If it's offensive, I would argue that it's meant to be!

Meanwhile, Bubbles is trying a different kind of escape from work pressures. If she turns up wearing a MLP sweatshirt one day, I won't be able to stop laughing.

I'm wondering how common it is that AI's can't afford necessary repairs. If Momo had a damaging accident, who would pay to fix her? Are there clinics that do that? Can she buy repair insurance? When Pintsize got beat up, Martin brought him to Marigold. Is this sort of informal repair the only AI option?

I gather that the robot fight club (Jeph, can we get an official name for the place?) caters to a subculture of semi-economically-attached AI's, many of whom have no decent prospects in the aboveground economy (May being a good example of how bleak prospects there would be). It could be that their best bet for repairs is to get beat up in a fight and then come to Bubbles and Faye. May was afraid to do this, as her parole could be revoked if she tried it.

Marigold has been shown to be skilled enough to carry out even significant repairs, at least to simpler 'companion' chassis. From Parolebot's comments to May about warranties, it sounds like manufacturers, major retailers and licensed maintenance firms handle this, much as it is IRL with appliances. However, it is likely expensive if the chassis is out of warranty.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: USS Martenclaire on 17 Mar 2016, 01:01
And then Bubbles had a vision of a huge purple dildo with large white wings, rearing dramatically against the sky....
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: osaka on 17 Mar 2016, 03:01
Does it smile? Is it singing? I know she's met Pintsize but I don't think she's met Dilly.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: TadPrime on 17 Mar 2016, 05:01
"Do not taint Pegasus Cove with talk of dildos!" is now one of my favorite quotes of recent memory.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: WareWolf on 17 Mar 2016, 05:11
I just want to say that I am loving the Hanners/Bubbles friendship.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Random832 on 17 Mar 2016, 05:47
As for the insult... Isn't it literally like calling a biological a 'dickhead' or something? Both in intent and in comparison, too! If it's offensive, I would argue that it's meant to be!

I think the question is whether it is, separately from the intended insult to the target, an insult to all AIs to imply that they don't rate being called a real dickhead.

For an imperfect analogy, your argument could be a bit like saying using the b-word for a woman is "literally" like calling someone a dog, e.g. the old-timey use of "cur" as an insult. Sure, it's literally true, but it's so missing the point.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 17 Mar 2016, 06:05
In regards to AnthroPC repairs, they seem to be treated a lot like computer hardware, for lack of a better comparison. They get warranties, and you can probably buy extended maintenance plans for them. But once those plans expire, you are on your own for the costs of any repairs or replacements. There might even be an insurance industry to maintain ongoing contracts, kind of similar to automotive insurance as well. This is one case though where AIs are significantly different than humans. A human is stuck with their original chassis their entire life. No matter how badly damaged it gets,  you can't just switch out the way an AI can. If you lose parts to it, they can be replaced. But it's still a custom patch job.

A lot of repair work seems to be dependent on the chassis. Simple ones like what Pintsize or Winslow inhabit can be fixed via home repair. Marten seems to handle most of Pintsize's frequent repair work. For more complex stuff he turned to an expert with Marigold. May and Momo's chassis seems more complex, enough that it's a specialized skill and toolset to work on them. But not so much that you need extensive schooling for. To wit: The repairs were apparently more than Marigold could do. But Faye is learning them on the job. So we're probably talking automotive or robotics level skill set here, as opposed to a doctor's skill set. Something you can go to a school to learn and get accredited for, but you could also learn via an apprenticeship. Where as a doctor requires pretty extensive, multi year and multi discipline training before they get to start working on people.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: osaka on 17 Mar 2016, 08:01
On the insult of dildo, let's go back to Dilly for a bit. Wasn't Dilly sentient when he escaped?

I mean, it's a bit of a stretch, but if we think about it, Dilly would be a step above dicks in that regard.

(I think I should remind people that I joined the forum specifically to make a comment about Dilly and musical tastes so there's that)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: sitnspin on 17 Mar 2016, 09:09
I always wondered why "dildo" is an insult. Dildos are pretty awesome and make people happy.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: chaospersonified on 17 Mar 2016, 09:21
I always wondered why "dildo" is an insult. Dildos are pretty awesome and make people happy.


It's like calling them a dick, only it's suggesting they aren't real enough for such classification
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: sitnspin on 17 Mar 2016, 10:02
Yea, but dildos are better than dicks. Way better.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 17 Mar 2016, 10:23
Why do I get the feeling this thread is about five seconds from turning into that speech from Team America?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Somebody on 17 Mar 2016, 11:15
Let's face it - this is a world with sentient toasters. There are GOING to be literal, sentient dildos.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: osaka on 17 Mar 2016, 11:51
Pintsize was creating one. The one I've been calling Dilly, to be precise.

Or at least it sang. Pretty sure it was sentient tho because first it ran away and then he appeared on the back cover for Prolapse Monthly.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: swapna on 17 Mar 2016, 12:59
A lot of repair work seems to be dependent on the chassis. Simple ones like what Pintsize or Winslow inhabit can be fixed via home repair. Marten seems to handle most of Pintsize's frequent repair work. For more complex stuff he turned to an expert with Marigold. May and Momo's chassis seems more complex, enough that it's a specialized skill and toolset to work on them. But not so much that you need extensive schooling for. To wit: The repairs were apparently more than Marigold could do. But Faye is learning them on the job. So we're probably talking automotive or robotics level skill set here, as opposed to a doctor's skill set. Something you can go to a school to learn and get accredited for, but you could also learn via an apprenticeship. Where as a doctor requires pretty extensive, multi year and multi discipline training before they get to start working on people.

On the other hand, doctors work on people, whose parts can't be replaced/fixed easily if they make a mistake. If such a mistake happens while repairing Chassis, replacing/restoring them to the original working condition is much easier; I don't think the extent of the skill set is the difference, but the tolerance for mistakes.

The only ones who might need a proper degree to repair might be highly complex AI/Chassis like Spaceship and Station, but that would be so even without them being controlled by powerful AI.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Kugai on 17 Mar 2016, 15:06
You do not interrupt the Bubbles while she is at Pegasus Cove!!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 17 Mar 2016, 20:52
Aaaaand Emily is the Sleeper about to awaken...
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Penquin47 on 17 Mar 2016, 20:57
Emily gets to call her Miss Bubbles?  Awwww.

I could use a collapsible cardigan...
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: chaospersonified on 17 Mar 2016, 21:02
And so, the military had its first call over collapsible cardigans. So long as Emily continues her particular brand of being, the chances are low it will be the last.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: RyanW1019 on 17 Mar 2016, 21:06
I mean, they may have already looked into the military potential of theoretical knitting: http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1267

Actually, Hanners even mentions 2 panels later that the scarf she knitted was woven from unique fibers, which had the softness and heat retention of angora, and the strength and density of kevlar. So the knitting/military connections may already be there. Wouldn't be surprised if there's a whole subcommittee investigating possible applications for unique fabric materials and weaving techniques. I can just see it now: 50% young scientists looking to push the bounds of theoretical knitting, 50% ancient grannies with 50 years knitting experience.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: TheCollector on 17 Mar 2016, 21:19
.. Is anyone else worried that thing is gonna turn out like the Tribbles.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: chaospersonified on 17 Mar 2016, 21:19
Huh, second Homestar Runner reference in two weeks.

I wonder if the government considered confiscating *this* Emily Project?

Man, I GOT to check that out one of these days. Everyone I follow, or read, or watch on youtube includes more than a few references that I do not get. I wanna be included in the group!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: chaospersonified on 17 Mar 2016, 21:20
.. Is anyone else worried that thing is gonna turn out like the Tribbles.

Worried?

I'm HOPING it has similar troubles to those with tribbles! Imagine the hilarity!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Mad Cat on 17 Mar 2016, 21:24
At least this one doesn't summon an Eldritch horror when activated.

Or does it? Could it be the Cardigan of Cthuluh?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Mad Cat on 17 Mar 2016, 21:27
I mean, they may have already looked into the military potential of theoretical knitting: http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1267

Actually, Hanners even mentions 2 panels later that the scarf she knitted was woven from unique fibers, which had the softness and heat retention of angora, and the strength and density of kevlar. So the knitting/military connections may already be there. Wouldn't be surprised if there's a whole subcommittee investigating possible applications for unique fabric materials and weaving techniques. I can just see it now: 50% young scientists looking to push the bounds of theoretical knitting, 50% ancient grannies with 50 years knitting experience.
Imagine an invisibility cloak the size of an M1A2 Abrams.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Kugai on 17 Mar 2016, 21:27
This is why the NSA, CIA and Military Intelligence are running a joint watch operation on Emily
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: TheCollector on 17 Mar 2016, 22:12
.. Is anyone else worried that thing is gonna turn out like the Tribbles.

Worried?

I'm HOPING it has similar troubles to those with tribbles! Imagine the hilarity!
Ah! But you're forgetting, they can't vent the tribbles into space if your on a planet.

Everyone will be dead in a week and the planet will be a giant furry puff ball.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 17 Mar 2016, 22:31
.. Is anyone else worried that thing is gonna turn out like the Tribbles.

Worried?

I'm HOPING it has similar troubles to those with tribbles! Imagine the hilarity!

I call going back in time and throwing dead tribbles at William Shatner!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: chaospersonified on 17 Mar 2016, 23:32
.. Is anyone else worried that thing is gonna turn out like the Tribbles.

Worried?

I'm HOPING it has similar troubles to those with tribbles! Imagine the hilarity!
Ah! But you're forgetting, they can't vent the tribbles into space if your on a planet.

Everyone will be dead in a week and the planet will be a giant furry puff ball.

I hate people, myself included. There's digital evidence of our best selves; I'm cool with that being the only evidence.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: alphabetagammadonut on 17 Mar 2016, 23:56
I think Bubbles is realising that being a combat droid makes her maybe the third most dangerous individual in the coffee shop.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: TheCollector on 18 Mar 2016, 00:14
I think Bubbles is realising that being a combat droid makes her maybe the third most dangerous individual in the coffee shop.
Is the sweater cube one of those three? Cause it scares the hell out of me.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: BenRG on 18 Mar 2016, 00:25
I'm increasing sure that coding is a borderline-savant talent for Emily. In normal interaction, she hovers above 'barely functional'. Put her in charge of computer-controlled machinery and she's a miracle worker!

What's next? Day wear for Veronica that, when activated, turns into 'work wear'? In the Marvel universe, 'unstable molecules' have long been the explanation for how super-suits do what they do. Emily seems on the verge of making it a reality!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: oeoek on 18 Mar 2016, 00:56
But...But...
*Oeoek stares at his wardrobe*
'Collapsible Cardigan'... Isn't that just folding?
*oeoek goes out and buries his brain in a deep hole*

Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: wdfarmer on 18 Mar 2016, 01:09
Look at my sweater / My sweater's amazing
Tug on its corner, and then you'll feel warmer
Stretch it over a frame /  It turns into a plane
And then it turns back again / When you tug on its winky
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: TinPenguin on 18 Mar 2016, 01:40
At least Bubbles won't need to worry about the cardigan chopping off her hair.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: chaospersonified on 18 Mar 2016, 01:42
Look at my sweater / My sweater's amazing
Tug on its corner, and then you'll feel warmer
Stretch it over a frame /  It turns into a plane
And then it turns back again / When you tug on its winky

I know the reference, and I respond with my own:

If you want to destroy my sweater,
Pull this thread as I walk away

it won't actually do anything
it's what we call the placebo effect
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: improvnerd on 18 Mar 2016, 02:29
In normal interaction, she hovers above 'barely functional'.

I don't see that. She seems quite happy and quite functional. Just not normal. Like many occupants of the QCniverse.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: BenRG on 18 Mar 2016, 02:40
In normal interaction, she hovers above 'barely functional'.

I don't see that. She seems quite happy and quite functional. Just not normal. Like many occupants of the QCniverse.

That's not how I read her. Yes, she's capable of quite complex communication but she just doesn't seem to have any instinct for social interaction. I mean, read her apology in panel 2. Doesn't that read like something she's rehearsed or even been told by her parents or maybe her therapist? She may agree with the general spirit of the words but, from the way she's expressing herself, she doesn't come across as fully understanding it.

What does she do then? Like a six-year-old child presenting a flower to seal the apology, she gives Bubbles a idiosyncratic gift!

I'm not talking Emily down. She's a perfectly nice, sweet and good-hearted young woman. All I'm saying is that, on a certain level, she'll always have this childlike aspect in which she fails to consider or even fully understand the social consequences of her whims.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: neurocase on 18 Mar 2016, 04:32
I'm not talking Emily down. She's a perfectly nice, sweet and good-hearted young woman. All I'm saying is that, on a certain level, she'll always have this childlike aspect in which she fails to consider or even fully understand the social consequences of her whims.

I dunno; I think her rant with Clinton showed that there's a lot of depth and self-awareness there. She's maybe a bit off-beat, but it's not because of some disorder; it's who she is. She knows it, she owns it, and she refuses to apologize to society for it. Between that and her demonstrated intelligence, Emily's kind of just the "eccentric genius" type, which I think is badass.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 18 Mar 2016, 05:50
I do believe you are using the words 'normal' and 'common' as the same thing, when they are not. Emily doesn't fit within the bounds people rope each other and ourselves into. She never lost that grand wonder that kids tend to have naturally. In short, she hasn't let the world beat her down, and for that she is considered 'weird'. The problem isn't with her I would say. It's how people treat each other.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Jakk Frost on 18 Mar 2016, 05:52

I dunno; I think her rant with Clinton showed that there's a lot of depth and self-awareness there. She's maybe a bit off-beat, but it's not because of some disorder; it's who she is. She knows it, she owns it, and she refuses to apologize to society for it. Between that and her demonstrated intelligence, Emily's kind of just the "eccentric genius" type, which I think is badass.

That should be a poll, "Would you rather be eccentric or acceptable?"
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Lubricus on 18 Mar 2016, 06:07
Why are those two mutually exclusive? I want to be eccentric AND acceptable!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Method of Madness on 18 Mar 2016, 06:42
Ecceptable? :claireface:
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Zebediah on 18 Mar 2016, 09:04
So Emily can do that...

... and she's working as a barista?  :psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: BenRG on 18 Mar 2016, 09:14
Hannelore has contacts that would ensure that she never has to work a day in her life. Heck, before she started at CoD, she'd never worked before. She's doing it because she likes it and because she finds the continual close proximity and interaction with people therapeutic.

I'm pretty sure that Emily's reasons for working at CoD are a bit more complex but essentially similar. She likes working around lots of people. However, I also think that she doesn't realise just how incredibly skilled and potentially valuable a programmer she is. The idea that certain three-letter government agencies might literally kill to have exclusive access to her would likely shock her to the core!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Method of Madness on 18 Mar 2016, 09:17
Hannelore worked, just never outside of her apartment. Remember her counting business?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 18 Mar 2016, 09:37
People are amazed that Emily has all these computer and engineering skills and they're surprised that she's working in a coffee shop?
This is the same girl who thought it was a good idea to do a running jump on a combat AI with a squeaky hammer and knocked herself out.

Its Emily being Emily. She knows what she's doing. Even if the rest of us have no clue.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Morituri on 18 Mar 2016, 10:15
I think Emily and Dr. Ellicott-Chatham are kindred spirits.  Honestly, I can see her being one of the top contributors on Station, but even more than that I can see her and Dr. Ellicott-Chatham truly and deeply understanding each other in ways that nobody else there does. 

No shipping, please; he's old enough to be her dad and then some.  But a mentor/protoge relationship would be absolutely grand for them (and quite possibly terrifying for the rest of the human race). 
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 18 Mar 2016, 11:04
She didn't apply for the job. She was just there one day and Dora assigned her hours, forgetting for a moment she wasn't actually employed by her. Everybody has pretty much just gone with it...
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Nepiophage on 18 Mar 2016, 11:05
Theoretical knitting is a thing --
http://www.toroidalsnark.net/mathknit.html (http://www.toroidalsnark.net/mathknit.html)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: oeoek on 18 Mar 2016, 11:50
Hmmm, looking at recent posts here I can see a future, and it looks good.
Bubbles and Faye shake off Corpse Witch and start am AI rep&mod shop. Backed by Hanners/stations money. Hanners and Emily might decide to channel some of their brainpower into the more serious AI developments. Momo might be a great consultant on AI-moral matters.

Time to move up? Perhaps even LEO way up? Does the space station have more than just a large hull section where the brainiacs can unwind? Something more homely perhaps? Like a nice cosy coffee shop? With fresh roasted coffee and baked goods? Time for the entire cast to move up perhaps?

Nah, doubt it. What would life be without beer sledding (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1387)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 18 Mar 2016, 13:20
I like the way you think. Can I subscribe to your newsletter?

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Also, Faye changes Dora's 'robot' to 'AI' when she shouts to Bubbles. (We already know that May dislikes the word.) Perhaps working around them on a daily basis has made Faye more sensitive to their views?
Faye ... sensitive? What?

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Also Raven-savant Emily is being dynamically buzzword creative.

Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Jakk Frost on 18 Mar 2016, 14:42
I think Emily and Dr. Ellicott-Chatham are kindred spirits.  Honestly, I can see her being one of the top contributors on Station, but even more than that I can see her and Dr. Ellicott-Chatham truly and deeply understanding each other in ways that nobody else there does. 

No shipping, please; he's old enough to be her dad and then some.  But a mentor/protoge relationship would be absolutely grand for them (and quite possibly terrifying for the rest of the human race).

Not that I would ship it, but what's wrong with shipping it?  You know there's a term for that kind of thing because it's not unheard of, right?  It's called a May-December relationship.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Jakk Frost on 18 Mar 2016, 14:48
Why are those two mutually exclusive? I want to be eccentric AND acceptable!

Well with the kind of people who read QC, I didn't think I'd have to spell it out - in fact I thought if I spelled it out people might think I was treating them as if they were stupid.  By acceptable, I meant "conforming to the societal concept of "normal"". 

"Eccentric or acceptable" was just catchier.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: TinPenguin on 18 Mar 2016, 15:05
You know there's a term for that kind of thing because it's not unheard of, right?  It's called a May-December relationship.

I know somebody who's after a May-Dismemberer relationship...
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: jheartney on 18 Mar 2016, 16:00
What's next? Day wear for Veronica that, when activated, turns into 'work wear'? In the Marvel universe, 'unstable molecules' have long been the explanation for how super-suits do what they do. Emily seems on the verge of making it a reality!

Over on the other comic, Alice quick-changed her overalls to armor with no explanation. Perhaps we're seeing how such things were first invented.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: TheCollector on 18 Mar 2016, 16:46
I'm increasing sure that coding is a borderline-savant talent for Emily. In normal interaction, she hovers above 'barely functional'. Put her in charge of computer-controlled machinery and she's a miracle worker!

What's next? Day wear for Veronica that, when activated, turns into 'work wear'? In the Marvel universe, 'unstable molecules' have long been the explanation for how super-suits do what they do. Emily seems on the verge of making it a reality!
Azuma Particles! :3
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Truec on 18 Mar 2016, 18:17
Also, Faye changes Dora's 'robot' to 'AI' when she shouts to Bubbles. (We already know that May dislikes the word.) Perhaps working around them on a daily basis has made Faye more sensitive to their views?

We've never seen that May dislikes being called a robot, and she's used it as a descriptor several times.  The only time she ever mentioned it was in a conversation with Dale in which she was comparing QC-style advanced AI androids to real-life 'can barely walk over and pick up a box' robots vis a vis the latter being capable of running a convenience store.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Deadcoder on 18 Mar 2016, 22:03
I want Emily to take the basic ideas of the Sweater Cube, and use it to make that awesome armor from the Star Trek Voyager finale. Or Alice's armor.

Even better: combine the technology with the rabbit fur Hanners' father's people invented, and use it to make Ikea furniture that unpacks and assembles itself.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 18 Mar 2016, 23:09
Also, Faye changes Dora's 'robot' to 'AI' when she shouts to Bubbles. (We already know that May dislikes the word.) Perhaps working around them on a daily basis has made Faye more sensitive to their views?

We've never seen that May dislikes being called a robot, and she's used it as a descriptor several times.  The only time she ever mentioned it was in a conversation with Dale in which she was comparing QC-style advanced AI androids to real-life 'can barely walk over and pick up a box' robots vis a vis the latter being capable of running a convenience store.

Perhaps a case of R-word privileges?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Akima on 19 Mar 2016, 04:37
I'd be a bit worried about wearing that cardigan, because:

1) What if it reverts to cube while I'm wearing it?

2) If I catch it on a nail, will it unravel the fabric of reality?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Jakk Frost on 19 Mar 2016, 06:13
I want Emily to take the basic ideas of the Sweater Cube, and use it to make that awesome armor from the Star Trek Voyager finale. Or Alice's armor.

But wait, the Borg lived in cubes... what if Emily's sweater cube programming represents the birth of the Borg?!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Zebediah on 19 Mar 2016, 07:00
But then the Borg would be very different. "We are the Borg. We will bonk you with a rubber mallet. Resistance is futile."
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: BenRG on 19 Mar 2016, 08:25
My God, can you imagine what it would be like to go up against a Unimatrix that has Emily as its guiding mind?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: DSL on 19 Mar 2016, 11:19
I'd be a bit worried about wearing that cardigan, because:

1) What if it reverts to cube while I'm wearing it?

2) If I catch it on a nail, will it unravel the fabric of reality?

Heinlein drafted that story, "... and she knitted a crooked sweater," but he decided the tesseract would work better for story purposes as a house.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: JimC on 30 Mar 2016, 10:23
WD-40 IS NOT A LUBRICANT.  It is a hygroscopic antioxidant.

It is? In my long distant industrial chemistry days I always thought of it as a dewatering agent - the very opposite to hygroscopic.  Not really what I would describe as an antioxidant either. Sure it leaves a corrosion inhibiting film, but that's not really the same thing. And while its certainly not formulated as a high performance lubricant, it has a moderate lubrication capability.

(not at all my idea of a suitable first post. Hey Ho. Sorry)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: chaospersonified on 30 Mar 2016, 10:40
WD-40 IS NOT A LUBRICANT.  It is a hygroscopic antioxidant.

It is? In my long distant industrial chemistry days I always thought of it as a dewatering agent - the very opposite to hygroscopic.  Not really what I would describe as an antioxidant either. Sure it leaves a corrosion inhibiting film, but that's not really the same thing. And while its certainly not formulated as a high performance lubricant, it has a moderate lubrication capability.

(not at all my idea of a suitable first post. Hey Ho. Sorry)

I mean, welcome, techno-babble adept new person, I have almost* no idea what you said here, but I appreciate techno-babble, and thereby love the heck out of this comment.

*I mean almost. I know the words you used. Not so familiar with the context.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 30 Mar 2016, 11:23
Welcome, informed new person!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: DSL on 30 Mar 2016, 17:53
But then the Borg would be very different. "We are the Borg. We will bonk you with a rubber mallet. Resistance is futile."

This cartoon (http://angryflower.com/349.html) demonstrated how the Borg finally got (will have gotten) things right.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: JimC on 30 Mar 2016, 20:49
Dewatering is pretty much exactly what you'd think, albeit the word is used for some very different processes. In the WD40 context it's neat when you see it for the first time though. As I remember back in the stone age we'd get a beaker full of the stuff, which is superficially like kerosene, and hang a lump of wet cotton wool in it and time how fast the drops of water were forced out and fell to the bottom in order to test it. PDQ no water in the cotton wool. Always felt kinda magical to me. Probably test it electronically now, far more accurate but less fun to watch!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: Morituri on 31 Mar 2016, 19:23
WD-40 IS NOT A LUBRICANT.  It is a hygroscopic antioxidant.

It is? In my long distant industrial chemistry days I always thought of it as a dewatering agent - the very opposite to hygroscopic. 

You're right, It's a dewatering agent.  I should have used the word "hydrophilic" but made a malapropism.  Sorry about that.

It's absolutely the truth about the damn stuff ruining oil-impregnated gears, though. 
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3176 to 3180 (14 - 18 March 2016)
Post by: JimC on 01 Apr 2016, 13:57
It's absolutely the truth about the damn stuff ruining oil-impregnated gears, though.
Agreed, putting an impermeable film on top of oil impregnated pores will not end well.