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Title: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: BenRG on 20 Mar 2016, 16:37
Yeah, I just watched a playthrough of Lego: Dimensions and got inspired.

I had to think about the answer to give myself for a while here and, in the end, I'd like a crossover with the Walkyverse. That would put the main characters of both QC and the crossover universe in the same age range. So, Marten and Claire move into a new apartment block and the guys living opposite them are David and Joyce Walkerton who have a very curious secret!

MARTEN: "You're superheroes?"

JOYCE: "We're retired superheroes. Mostly, we're just a regular family!"
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Tova on 20 Mar 2016, 16:48
Little Dee!

A strangely silent girl, a dog, a vulture, and a bear in a suit walk into Coffee of Doom.

Shenanigans ensue.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: MrNumbers on 20 Mar 2016, 18:06
QC Crossovers:

Avatar:

Faye makes a living as a metalbender, though many jokes are made that she has a firebender ancestry. Alternating reasons being her hotness and her rage.

Dora and Sven are waterbenders. Dora is a twelfth level coffeebender. Sven is a liquor bender... sorry what was that? On a liquor bender. Gotcha.

Hannelore is a firebender. She does not like fire. At all. She mostly uses her powers to warm mugs of tea and have just, like, the coziest blankets.

Marigold jokes that she is an air bender, but it's only from her butt. It is a joke no one really appreciates.

Marten is an air bender. Acoustic bender, to be more precise. Who needs an amp for your eight string when you can control soundwaves through the air. Also uses it to blow in Claire's ear from across the room.

Claire does not have bending abilities, except maybe bookbending. Jokes about her being a genderbender seem to result in people being punched in the gut from the inside, and a very innocent-looking Marten.



... now, with Children of Anarchy dropping and more character creation tools, I'm just going to go off real quick and make the QC cast in XCOM 2
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: comicalArchitect on 20 Mar 2016, 18:32
QC Crossovers:

Avatar:

Faye makes a living as a metalbender, though many jokes are made that she has a firebender ancestry. Alternating reasons being her hotness and her rage.

Dora and Sven are waterbenders. Dora is a twelfth level coffeebender. Sven is a liquor bender... sorry what was that? On a liquor bender. Gotcha.

Hannelore is a firebender. She does not like fire. At all. She mostly uses her powers to warm mugs of tea and have just, like, the coziest blankets.

Marigold jokes that she is an air bender, but it's only from her butt. It is a joke no one really appreciates.

Marten is an air bender. Acoustic bender, to be more precise. Who needs an amp for your eight string when you can control soundwaves through the air. Also uses it to blow in Claire's ear from across the room.

Claire does not have bending abilities, except maybe bookbending. Jokes about her being a genderbender seem to result in people being punched in the gut from the inside, and a very innocent-looking Marten.



... now, with Children of Anarchy dropping and more character creation tools, I'm just going to go off real quick and make the QC cast in XCOM 2

Tai and Steve are earthbenders. Can androids be benders? Whatever, they can. May is a firebender and Momo is a waterbender. Emily is the Avatar.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: DSL on 20 Mar 2016, 18:35
Girl Genius. Clanks designed by Emily, built by Faye, financed by Hannelore. Station vs. Castle Heterodyne. Y'all take it from there if you want.

or

Quantum Vibe (straight up or Venus 23). Dueling political philosophies. Unrestrained capitalism vs. Corporatism vs. Massachusetts liberalism. Fun times.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Zebediah on 20 Mar 2016, 18:40
Alice Grove/QC crossover: Everyone would assume Ardent was a robot. And he'd get punched by nearly every female member of the QC cast.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Thrudd on 20 Mar 2016, 18:45
Crazy Larry [but they are all humans for some strange reason], Grrrl Power [would the Scovilles diatribes make it through the language filters], Mega Tokyo [we have plenty of sad girls just need more snow]
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: comicalArchitect on 20 Mar 2016, 19:16
Homestuck: Marten, Faye, Dora, Hanners, and Marigold all play SBURB. Pintsize is Marten's sprite, Dale is Marigold's, Bubbles is Faye's, Winslow is Hannelore's, and Sven is Dora's.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: cesium133 on 20 Mar 2016, 19:20
xkcd: All the characters are stick figures. Stick-figure Emily uses a backhoe to take all the scones from Coffee of Doom's pastry case.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: comicalArchitect on 20 Mar 2016, 19:22
xkcd: All the characters are stick figures. Stick-figure Emily uses a backhoe to take all the scones from Coffee of Doom's pastry case.

Black Hat teams up with Pintsize.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: jwhouk on 20 Mar 2016, 19:33
xkcd: All the characters are stick figures. Stick-figure Emily uses a backhoe to take all the scones from Coffee of Doom's pastry case.

Black Hat teams up with Pintsize.

Black Hat IS Pintsize.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: chaospersonified on 20 Mar 2016, 20:22
I voted for the AtLA/LoK crossover out of my love for those shows, but I didn't get excited about the idea until I read MrNumbers' comment. I agree, Emily is the Avatar.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: wlewisiii on 20 Mar 2016, 21:04
Ok, it may just be me but I swear he's playing Faye & Bubbles very similar to the way he played Marten & Claire for a long time. 

That said, I expect that the next time we see Bubbles looking up into the night sky, there will be a cardigan over her armor...
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: wlewisiii on 20 Mar 2016, 21:07
Emily is the Avatar.

I have a new .sig
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 20 Mar 2016, 21:08
Aww come on Bubbles, now you have to wear the cardigan!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: hedgie on 20 Mar 2016, 21:25
Considering what at least one of Emily's other projects started doing, it might be safer for Bubbles if she *didn't*.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: TheCollector on 20 Mar 2016, 21:35
Ok, it may just be me but I swear he's playing Faye & Bubbles very similar to the way he played Marten & Claire for a long time. 

That said, I expect that the next time we see Bubbles looking up into the night sky, there will be a cardigan over her armor...
Oh my god you're right! Give it to me!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 20 Mar 2016, 21:42
Considering what at least one of Emily's other projects started doing, it might be safer for Bubbles if she *didn't*.
Yeah, but where's the fun in that?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Undrneath on 20 Mar 2016, 21:46
Ok, it may just be me but I swear he's playing Faye & Bubbles very similar to the way he played Marten & Claire for a long time. 

That said, I expect that the next time we see Bubbles looking up into the night sky, there will be a cardigan over her armor...

I just don't see much comparison to Marty and Claire, with them the romantic spark was heavily foreshadowed very far in advance. So far with Faye and Bubbles all I see is a burgeoning friendship that seems to be mutually beneficial.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: sitnspin on 20 Mar 2016, 22:08
Faye and Bubbles are a cute couple.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Timemaster on 21 Mar 2016, 00:30
New week, new poll.  :-)

I´d love to see a crossover with Girls with Slingshots, but we already had that. And mostly I´d like to see anything new from GwS.
So I go for a Doonesbury crossover. I´d love to see a conversation between Tai and Zonker Harris. Or Marty with Mike Doonesbury. Or even better: an interaction of Hanners with Mikes daughter Alex.

I would keep the cardigan unopened, just for the sheer beauty of knowing what hides in this small, marvellous cube. But I rather suppose that this will lead to a situation where Bubbles will finally take off her armour, only for a short while. It would be very symbolic, Bubbles finally opening up a little bit.

TM
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: BenRG on 21 Mar 2016, 00:34
Bubbles has a strong dependency on that armour, doesn't she? I wonder if she had to go through that whole shaming thing that some vets went through, post-Vietnam? Yeah, Faye is imagining Bubbles wearing the cardigan. I can see Bubbles modelling it for her in private just to stop the uncomfortable feeling that your friend is fantasising you in a different outfit!

Ok, it may just be me but I swear he's playing Faye & Bubbles very similar to the way he played Marten & Claire for a long time.

I don't think so. If anything, it's similar to the constant teasing/defensiveness that he wrote for late Marten/Dora. However, it's an imperfect comparison. Faye and Bubbles' friendship is being written as something unique to those characters and this is a good thing.

That said, I expect that the next time we see Bubbles looking up into the night sky, there will be a cardigan over her armor...

That would be cute, you can't deny that!

Faye and Bubbles are a cute couple.

It's still a bit early to say that. If things do go in that direction, I expect denial on a monumental level first!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: USS Martenclaire on 21 Mar 2016, 01:46
I don't see Bubbles and Faye as a romantic couple; Faye's never shown any romantic/sexual interest towards women. However, just because it's a close platonic friendship doesn't mean other people *unconvincing cough*Corpsewitch*unconvincing cough* won't project a romantic status on to it and become jealous.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: improvnerd on 21 Mar 2016, 02:35
Faye and Bubbles are a cute couple.

I see it more as whatever the lady version of a bromance is called.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Tova on 21 Mar 2016, 03:18
The word you're looking for is friendship. Same thing the male version is called.  :psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Method of Madness on 21 Mar 2016, 04:28
Bubbles, you can wear the cardigan over your armor.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Martin on 21 Mar 2016, 04:46
Bubbles, you can wear the cardigan over your armor.
Yeah i can't see the problem with that either.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: BenRG on 21 Mar 2016, 04:58
Just a little idea I had on this matter. (https://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,29351.msg1350231.html#msg1350231) It's me but I would like it if, after Faye has badgered Bubbles for so long on this matter, the result was either jaw-droppingly good (and Bubbles gets nervous because of all the positive attention she gets) or just... weird to the point where Faye admits that she somehow doesn't look like Bubbles out of her armour.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Akima on 21 Mar 2016, 05:02
Can androids be benders?
(https://wrathofnino.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/bender.jpg)

Emily has never seen Bubbles out of her armour, so I imagine the cardigan is sized to fit over it.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Zebediah on 21 Mar 2016, 05:10
Actually, given the nature of that cardigan, it is probably truly one-size-fits-all. It could adapt itself to fit Momo or Pintsize as well as it fits Bubbles.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: DSL on 21 Mar 2016, 05:18
The cardigan is a tesseract (we can only see it as a cube). Every time Bubbles puts it on and takes it off, she's crossed over into a different comic.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 21 Mar 2016, 05:59
In a couple of weeks on Alice Grove: Alice, Sedna and Gavia are arguing about the possibility of fully intelligent AI, while in the background we see Ardent chatting up a very confused looking Bubbles in a yellow cardigan. She only appears in one panel though, after which Ardent is looking around for her.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Radium_Coyote on 21 Mar 2016, 07:25
I'm enjoying this dynamic.  That Faye and Bubbles have gotten this friendly speaks well for both of them.  A lot of character growth happened in that time skip.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 21 Mar 2016, 09:07
It's a stretch, but Emily might have looked up Bubbles's specifications to find out Bubbles's actual size.

I wonder: blushing, hair, facial expressions and all the other things added to facilitate interacting with carbon-based people are expensive. Why would the government pay for all of that twice, once for the armor and once for the body underneath the armor? What if Bubbles looks totally blank and mechanical underneath?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Method of Madness on 21 Mar 2016, 09:17
What makes you think her face/hair is covering anything (besides circuits, etc)? It's probably armor grade but I doubt there's another head underneath.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: BenRG on 21 Mar 2016, 09:28
I wouldn't be surprised if there is a helmet element to Bubbles' armour that covers her head but that she doesn't use anymore because it restricts her field of vision and makes her look a bit too much like a Cylon centurion.

I wonder: blushing, hair, facial expressions and all the other things added to facilitate interacting with carbon-based people are expensive. Why would the government pay for all of that twice, once for the armor and once for the body underneath the armor? What if Bubbles looks totally blank and mechanical underneath?

Why should Bubbles have a full-fidelity human-simulating chassis? Well, firstly I suspect that, because most military equipment is built for humans, they wanted their military heavy infantry chassis to be as close to human norms as possible. So, at the very least, she'll be a giant Barbie doll, like May only much more muscular.

Secondly, I suspect that the chassis was designed for role flexibility. That means that it would need to be compatible for non-armoured operations like guard duty, occupation police duty, SCUBA insertion (using various buoyancy aids) and maybe even diplomatic protection work. In the latter mission, the ability to work in mufti and pass as a large but civilian chassis would be vital.

Finally, a derma covering of her entire body would massively improve her chassis' ability to deal with rain, frost, sand and other contaminants that could otherwise damage her inner workings.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: miados on 21 Mar 2016, 09:41
I wouldn't be surprised if there is a helmet element to Bubbles' armour that covers her head but that she doesn't use anymore because it restricts her field of vision and makes her look a bit too much like a Cylon centurion.

I wonder: blushing, hair, facial expressions and all the other things added to facilitate interacting with carbon-based people are expensive. Why would the government pay for all of that twice, once for the armor and once for the body underneath the armor? What if Bubbles looks totally blank and mechanical underneath?

Why should Bubbles have a full-fidelity human-simulating chassis? Well, firstly I suspect that, because most military equipment is built for humans, they wanted their military heavy infantry chassis to be as close to human norms as possible. So, at the very least, she'll be a giant Barbie doll, like May only much more muscular.

Secondly, I suspect that the chassis was designed for role flexibility. That means that it would need to be compatible for non-armoured operations like guard duty, occupation police duty, SCUBA insertion (using various buoyancy aids) and maybe even diplomatic protection work. In the latter mission, the ability to work in mufti and pass as a large but civilian chassis would be vital.

Finally, a derma covering of her entire body would massively improve her chassis' ability to deal with rain, frost, sand and other contaminants that could otherwise damage her inner workings.

And in the event of one of them being destroyed beyond repair it would be possible to salvage the military grade materials without having to retrieve the whole body. Similar to during a fire fight someone might just grab the persons weapons if their head is shot through instead of pulling the whole body along. Easier to replace if damaged as well instead of having an entire body replaced.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 21 Mar 2016, 09:53
Everyone here is assuming that Bubbles' chassis is military issue. Her armor is, almost certainly. But we know that she wears the armor. Why go to the trouble to build a human inner chassis, then armor on top when they could have just as easily made a built to purpose frame, like Deathbot. We are just lacking a lot of information to make assumptions. We know her armor is separate from her body. It could just as easily be a similar  inner chassis as the ones Momo and May use. Or one built more rugged. Or it could just be a skeletal framework with her head attached, never really meant to be used outside of her armor, which is why she never takes it off. We just don't know. But there's no reason to assume her inner chassis is military issued either.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Method of Madness on 21 Mar 2016, 14:38
Wait, I just noticed she's wearing a coat over her armor, so what the fuck's her issue with a cardigan?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Kugai on 21 Mar 2016, 14:48
I voted for Avatar.

Oh the fun and games



As a compromise,Bubbles could wear the cardigan over her armor
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: cesium133 on 21 Mar 2016, 14:49
I'm tempted to make a second thread for the crossover ideas.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Method of Madness on 21 Mar 2016, 14:50
I voted for Alice Grove because that would be impossible without time travel (I choose to ignore Jeph's claims that they are a different 'verse).
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: War Sparrow on 21 Mar 2016, 15:58
Wait, I just noticed she's wearing a coat over her armor, so what the fuck's her issue with a cardigan?

She bought the coat to fit over her armour. Presumably she doesn't think the cardigan would fit, or look appropriate with, the armour.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Method of Madness on 21 Mar 2016, 16:05
It expands from a tiny cube, how would it not be able to stretch to fit her?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: War Sparrow on 21 Mar 2016, 16:43
Maybe it can, but does she know that? Is she even willing to try?

Maybe she secretly loathes cardigans, or yellow, and doesn't want it to get back to Emily so as to hurt her feelings. And a yellow cardigan over red armour would look pretty ridiculous. 
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Tova on 21 Mar 2016, 16:49
I really think that everyone may be missing the wood for the trees, here. It's not a question of whether the cardigan will fit. The armour is a metaphor for... hang on, let me take a few steps back.

Think back to the introduction of Bubbles and Corpse Witch. Bubbles in her fearsome, huge, war armour, with the surprising name Bubbles. We soon learn that Bubbles is sensitive and intelligent, but is unwilling to speak of her past, and is hiding her emotions and her vulnerability behind a metaphorical and literal suit of armour.

In contrast, Corpse Witch - who, in a humorous contrast with the title of the comic introducing Bubbles, was introduced emphatically as CORPSE WITCH, which everyone took IMO a little too literally - Corpse Witch is outwardly pretty and delicate, but is, as we have since learned, insensitive, manipulative, and perhaps a little hateful.

The counterpoint is interesting, and pretty clear.

Where am I going with this? We know that Bubbles is still not entirely willing to open up emotionally. For example, she blushes when she admits that she sews, which is a "soft" activity. A cardigan would similarly soften her outward appearance, and compromise the emotional armour she's built around herself. She's not quite ready to do that yet, even with Faye.

It has nothing to do with whether the cardigan will fit. When she states emphatically that she "WEARS HER ARMOUR" she is saying in no uncertain terms that she's not quite ready to drop her emotional guard.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 21 Mar 2016, 17:48
Theory of Mind:
I think I have a mind. I think you do too. From what happens in my mind, I think I can guess what is in your mind.
(Somehow I don't think this applies to Emily...)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Shremedy on 21 Mar 2016, 19:03
Specifying "other" vote(s) -

A have a few ideas; from the large number I read, I'm picking the ones that would work with minimal universe-bending.

1) Sinfest.  It highlights the-- unfortunate -- most likely use of humanform robots, emerging Artificial Sentience (as opposed to mere artificial Intelligence), the social issues, and also of the resistance/rebellion against such pimping -- mostly feminist because almost all of the 'bots are fembots.

2)  Supernormal Step.  A way to explore the possible emergence of magic (as opposed to insufficiently understood advanced tech), dressed up in superheroic style, into the modern world.

3) Wapsi Square.  Maybe not the current storyline so much, but it's a modern setting with the "mythological creatures hiding in plain sight" angle.

4)  I concur that Gunnerkrigg Court could be interesting, the "hidden magic" angle again.  Frankly Kat could be (at least partially) responsible for the profusion of humanform AI's into the mundane world.  Not sure how well the storylines would mesh, though.

5)  Shotgun Shuffle.  Just enough advanced 20-minutes-into-the-future tech (Ellie's "cloud-OS" phone that is literally a floating cloud) to mesh well, interesting cast of characters.

One that would be amusing would be Grrl Power, but that's more of a straight-up superhero universe.  Not sure how that would work.  Bringing ARCSwat members (even geeky n00b Sydney "Halo" Scoville) to Norfhampton would probably NOT be a good idea, but throwing QC cast into their setting could be interesting.

As a side note, all of these are recommended reads, even if my vote goes nowhere else in the poll...

Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Shremedy on 21 Mar 2016, 19:13
Unicorns and Pegasi -

Yes, it's an amusing conceit for story purposes.  I don't know about anyone else here, but (as a veteran) I am frankly alarmed at the notion that a bio/chem weapon detection system can be manipulated/spoofed in such a way to generate visual/olfactory hallucinations.  Kind of undermines the reliability of something that lives could literally depend on, especially if the hallucination were designed to be something not so obviously unreal...

"It's all right, Colonel, you can sent the human battalion through, nothing here but an olive grove..." (as opposed to an Alice Grove...)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Kugai on 21 Mar 2016, 19:21
Theory of Mind:
I think I have a mind. I think you do too. From what happens in my mind, I think I can guess what is in your mind.
(Somehow I don't think this applies to Emily...)



I'm beginning to wonder if that's not a misspelling on the part of Jeph he's not picked up on yet.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 21 Mar 2016, 19:35
I dunno.. Maxima from  Grrl Power meeting with Bubbles would be interesting. Either they would become fast friends thanks to shared experiences, or it would be the stare off of the century...

re: The Unicorn and Pegasus roves.. I don't think they are hallucinations. The one time we saw the unicorn was just artistic representation of how smelling the tea made Bubbles feel. Sometimes certain sensations, like the smell or sound of something, and elicit strong reactions from people. Clearly the smell of Hannelore's tea gives Bubbles a sense of much needed calm and solace.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 21 Mar 2016, 20:11
http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3147 sounded to me as if Bubbles had actually seen a unicorn.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 21 Mar 2016, 20:32
Wait, I just noticed she's wearing a coat over her armor, so what the fuck's her issue with a cardigan?

A bit late to this, but it could be that Bubbles walking down a civilian street when you're not fighting and in full combat armour.....probably not going to endear people to the idea of AI taking a role in human conflicts.

Its more to put everyone else at ease than for Bubbles' own sake.

Put it another way, would you rather see a soldier in off duty gear walking down the main street of your hometown or in full battle fatigues, combat vest and helmet?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Undrneath on 21 Mar 2016, 20:54
That is a very angry Hannerface.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: chaospersonified on 21 Mar 2016, 20:54
JUICY HAS RETURNED
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 21 Mar 2016, 21:01
I thought I heard the Ironside sirens (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOy6hqzfsAs) going off.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Mmeaninglessnamee on 21 Mar 2016, 21:04
I know we've seen Juicy before, but what comic? I can't find it right now. Searching "Juicy" in the wiki isn't really useful.

Edit: Found it! http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2846
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Kugai on 21 Mar 2016, 21:11
"Of course, you realise this means war!"

Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: mustang6172 on 21 Mar 2016, 21:22
At first I thought Hanners was going to murder someone.  Then I realized that it would be more satisfying to leave said nemesis penniless and homeless by making a phone call to one's mother.  And that just became the strangest sentence I ever wrote!

Warning - while you were typing a new reply has been posted. You may wish to give mom a call.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Tova on 21 Mar 2016, 21:25
I had forgotten about the Juicy episode (thanks Mmeaninglessnamee for the link). If Jeph hadn't said so, I would have had no idea that this woman was already a nemesis. I'd initially assumed that Hanners' expression in the last panel was purely and justifiably based on what had happened in this comic.

Edit: Thanks also to cucumber error, your effort is still appreciated.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Somebody on 21 Mar 2016, 21:42
The cardigan is a tesseract (we can only see it as a cube). Every time Bubbles puts it on and takes it off, she's crossed over into a different comic.
Who do you think Emily is? Raven?!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Tova on 21 Mar 2016, 22:02
Mmmmmmaybe.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Radium_Coyote on 21 Mar 2016, 22:25
Calm down Hanners!  or everyone duck.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: KOODustin on 21 Mar 2016, 22:29
Oh my God.  This character made me so irrationally angry.  I deal with this kind of person EVERY day and I want to set them on fire with my eyes.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: hedgie on 21 Mar 2016, 23:09
Hannelore: It's time
Minion: S-so soon?
H: Are you questioning me?
M: N…no ma'am
H: Good
H: Release the virus
(strip 2443)

And *today* we see what will set this five year plan into motion.  Juicy has doomed the world.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: BenRG on 22 Mar 2016, 00:16
So, Juicy returns and reminds Hanners all over again why she hates her: She is the avatar of all the things she loathes in people. Somehow, she does all the things that annoy and/or trigger Hannelore!

Yes, there will be payback...

... And, yes, there will be blood!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Timemaster on 22 Mar 2016, 00:38
Fear and Loathing in Coffee Of Doom!

I feel so much with Hanners here. Anger. Loathing. Rage. An overwhelming urge to spill entrails over the walls.
Calm down Hanners. Don´t do it. Don´t kill her. It´s not worth it, the paperwork is incredible.  :evil:

And I want a large version of that last panel as a background for my mobile.

TM
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Truec on 22 Mar 2016, 00:47
This reminds me of my continuing desire to install some sort of cell phone jamming apparatus at my workplace that would prevent anybody from being on a phone within thirty feet of the counter.  Would make my life so much better.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: USS Martenclaire on 22 Mar 2016, 01:26
I'm not sure if cellphone jammers are the right idea. Granted, 95% of the time the call is probably chit chat but 5% of the time it could be someone in hospital or an urgent conversation with someone in a bad place. A coffee can often help me focus with calls like those.

-----

In that last panel, I had the red flashing light and dramatic sounds from Kill Bill playing. :p
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: J on 22 Mar 2016, 01:36
you know hannelore, if you bought the apartment building, i'm sure you could find some reason to evict her.



This reminds me of my continuing desire to install some sort of cell phone jamming apparatus at my workplace that would prevent anybody from being on a phone within thirty feet of the counter.  Would make my life so much better.
yeah, that's a felony (http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2016/03/09/cta-riders-complained-of-dropped-calls-before-arrest-of-alleged-cell-phone-jammer/)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Nepiophage on 22 Mar 2016, 02:12
I've decided that I like Juicy.  I feel she is, it is true, impulsive, thoughtless and silly; but essentially a kind and generous person. Much nicer than say, Faye.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: War Sparrow on 22 Mar 2016, 02:40
No, miss Juicy, it is not "okay if you're holding him." It is a health and safety code violation. So unless it is a really poorly trained service dog, leave him outside and hang up your phone.

People like this bother me.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: blt on 22 Mar 2016, 03:36
Unicorns and Pegasi -

Yes, it's an amusing conceit for story purposes.  I don't know about anyone else here, but (as a veteran) I am frankly alarmed at the notion that a bio/chem weapon detection system can be manipulated/spoofed in such a way to generate visual/olfactory hallucinations.  Kind of undermines the reliability of something that lives could literally depend on, especially if the hallucination were designed to be something not so obviously unreal...

"It's all right, Colonel, you can sent the human battalion through, nothing here but an olive grove..." (as opposed to an Alice Grove...)

Not to overthink a one off/two off joke or anything, but if I can bullsh*t with technobabble...

Maybe the bio/chem weapon detection system functions separately from the main processes of B's brain, so as to free up thinking room for more interactive high-level tasks, only popping up a warning and description for her when something is amiss (like a brain-HUD).  However by focusing on smelling the tea, B is tapping into the process, and getting a lot more information out of it she wasn't meant to directly process, and the active side of her brain is filling in the gaps as if she was actively seeing it.

Sort of like an artist trying to describe the feeling of a spring day with a page or two worth of flowery metaphors.

At least that's how I justify it to myself.  :psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: osaka on 22 Mar 2016, 04:28
Where's Emily's hyper-powered rubber mallet when you need it?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Martin on 22 Mar 2016, 05:07
Poor Hannelore, she has mutch to learn.
Faye and/or Dorra would have handled Juicy a little bit different...  :-D
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: The Iron Rose on 22 Mar 2016, 05:12
man Juicy is rad and Hannelore's anger is entirely unjustified


juicy ain't at fault for Hannelore's ocd
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 22 Mar 2016, 06:01
The thing of it is.. Hannelore is in the perfect place to do what we've always dreamed of doing in that situation... Roundly berating the offending customer, throwing her out on her ear.. Heck, Dora's even pulled out the counter sword to threaten people with before... Not only would Dora let it slide, she'd probably be there encouraging it... if she wasn't the one who started it.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Renimar on 22 Mar 2016, 06:07
Hanners, it's time to snail the latte (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1363).
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Zebediah on 22 Mar 2016, 06:14
Juicy returns.

And in an orbital pod high above the Earth, a hunter-killer bot awakens.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: DSL on 22 Mar 2016, 06:21
Hanners picks up the pizza caller, dials up a deep dish with extra cheese, extra anchovies. Lock in on the cell phone signal and ... PLACE ORDER.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Mad Cat on 22 Mar 2016, 09:00
I selected Other (Please Specify)

Primary Vote: Isaac Asimov's Robots series, because rules is rules.
Secondary Vote: Sinfest, because fembots growing into their synthetic girl power.
Tertiary Vote: Girl Genius, because any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 22 Mar 2016, 09:28
Hanners picks up the pizza caller, dials up a deep dish with extra cheese, extra anchovies. Lock in on the cell phone signal and ... PLACE ORDER.

Nah, Station, monitoring his favourite person, registers the disdain Hanners feels towards "Juicy", decides to..."take care" of the problem...

And promptly hacks Juicy's phone, tablet, laptop and every other device she owns, uploading all the photos to facebook and plasters her face everywhere, before sending a link to Juicy's employers. Juicy is fired and forced to move out of her apartment and takes to living on the street in a box that ironically says Juicy.

Hanners forces Station to apologise to the young woman whose life he destroyed.

Momo and May end up projecting two pony holograms, begging for the madness to stop.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: WareWolf on 22 Mar 2016, 09:41
I'm not sure if cellphone jammers are the right idea. Granted, 95% of the time the call is probably chit chat but 5% of the time it could be someone in hospital or an urgent conversation with someone in a bad place. A coffee can often help me focus with calls like those.

A few years ago, I was behind a lady in a fast food place who was just getting ready to order when her phone rang. As she pulled it out, I was just getting ready to do the devastating eye-roll and heavy sigh combo for which I am justly famed when the friend with her turned to the line and said "Her husband's in Iraq, she has to take the call when it comes in because neither of them know when he'll get another chance." So, I've been a little more tolerant of people with cell phones in line ever since.

And yes, she did get out of line to go sit down and talk to hubby while her friend ordered for both of them.

Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: hedgie on 22 Mar 2016, 10:35
More businesses need to have policies where employees are instructed under no circumstances to speak to anyone using a phone.  They do not exist, and are but mere phantoms making noise to complain.  I have worked at coffee shops like that.  It was bliss, and those who were really throwing a fit were removed and sent to our Galasso-like boss.  As a consequence, our regulars immediately went outside when they took a call, even at a table.  I think the policy actually improved business since everyone else there was free from the blight of hearing one half of a conversation, usually at volume by some entitled prick.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: FunkyTuba on 22 Mar 2016, 11:26
Jeph should outsource any loose ends he doesn't want to bother tying up to The Perry Bible Fellowship
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: miados on 22 Mar 2016, 12:09
I am picturing hanners wanting her mom to stop the production of anything with the name juicy on it or buying the rights to disallow anyone from using it for anything.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Akima on 22 Mar 2016, 14:32
Do people really just hold out their wallets to let servers take the money out? I'd almost feel tempted to take the largest denomination note, and put the change in the tip-jar...
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Method of Madness on 22 Mar 2016, 15:12
I was thinking the same thing.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 22 Mar 2016, 16:37
I would have just taken the whole wallet and put it under the counter. When she complained, then look surprised. "Oh! Are you going to actually talk to the person you want something from now, and act like a civilized person?" Then again, I wouldn't have served someone that rude in the first place. It would have been just 'No, your dog is not okay. Leave the store and return when you do not have your dog with you and your phone is hung up, then you will be served. Until then, get out.'
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: swapna on 22 Mar 2016, 16:43
Do people really just hold out their wallets to let servers take the money out? I'd almost feel tempted to take the largest denomination note, and put the change in the tip-jar...

yes. Especially older people who do have difficulties properly handling cash. I don't work at that supermarket, but I often shop there and see them.


also: almost 10 $ for a coffee?? Hanners is overcharging her by a mile.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Method of Madness on 22 Mar 2016, 16:45
yes. Especially older people who do have difficulties properly handling cash.
That's nowhere close to being the same thing as this. And even in their case, they would ask, and not simply shove it in the cashier's face while talking on the phone.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Thrudd on 22 Mar 2016, 17:03
So, Juicy returns and reminds Hanners all over again why she hates her: She is the avatar of all the things she loathes in people. Somehow, she does all the things that annoy and/or trigger Hannelore!

Yes, there will be payback...

... And, yes, there will be blood! Antiseptic and protein remover

Corrected for you  :evil:
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Morituri on 22 Mar 2016, 17:55
I'm sorry ma'am, there's a dog in the store.  I'm not allowed to serve anyone while there's a dog in the store.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: swapna on 22 Mar 2016, 18:02
yes. Especially older people who do have difficulties properly handling cash.
That's nowhere close to being the same thing as this. And even in their case, they would ask, and not simply shove it in the cashier's face while talking on the phone.

It is not, but yes, there are people who'll hand the server their wallet (which was the question). Juicy lady is very rude, but the wallet-thing alone wouldn't be problematic, especially if there's a good reason. (sometimes even the people at the manicurists who don't want to ruin their new manicure do that...)
 
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Method of Madness on 22 Mar 2016, 18:04
Basically we all agree that it's the rudeness that's really the issue.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: chaospersonified on 22 Mar 2016, 20:50
Leave it to Emily to choose a concept of physical science as her nemesis.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: cesium133 on 22 Mar 2016, 20:50
Hannelore is, I suspect, also not a fan of entropy. It makes things messy.

As for my nemesis, I choose electric fields. They keep polarizin' my atoms.  :-(
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 22 Mar 2016, 20:53
If you don't have a nemesis by age 20, then what have you been doing with your life?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: hedgie on 22 Mar 2016, 20:59
I have no living enemies.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: sitnspin on 22 Mar 2016, 21:17
Hannelore is, I suspect, also not a fan of entropy. It makes things messy.

Quite the opposite, really. The endgame for entropy is everything being uniformly distributed.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 22 Mar 2016, 21:32
Who says entropy is the end?

Decay ultimately leads to new growth, which itself will lead to entropy and so on.

Hanners is right of course, breaking that cycle can lead to some nasty complications.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: hedgie on 22 Mar 2016, 21:39
Perhaps by "defeat" she does not mean "destroy", but instead to make entropy her slave.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Tova on 22 Mar 2016, 21:46
If Emily wants to defeat entropy, she has a lot of work to do.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: celticgeek on 22 Mar 2016, 21:48
How big a step in defeating entropy was the "collapsible cardigan"?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: BarGamer on 22 Mar 2016, 21:57
Aw, Emily reads the 'Young Wizardry' series by Diane Duane! *plug*
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: zmeiat_joro on 22 Mar 2016, 22:08
Thanks, Jeph! Theph! I also love Look Around You.

Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Deadcoder on 22 Mar 2016, 22:17
Good for Emily for having goals! Honestly, I suspect she can already warp reality a little, so this is probably realistic for her.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: explicit on 22 Mar 2016, 22:24
My nemesis is going to be girls. They're gross and have cuties.

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Deadcoder on 22 Mar 2016, 22:26
Also, what if Questionable Content is in the same Universe as Madoka Magica? Here me out on this one: Emily figures out a way to defeat Entropy, but the universe is already too close to heat death for her idea to work. So she invented a time machine to go back in time so she could make a difference. However, she screwed up on some calc, and accidentally traveled spacially in addition to temporally. The incubators discover humanity by meeting her. She gives them the method to prevent the heat death of the universe, since they have the resources to make the plan work, and trades the technology for a Banana Smoothie. They promptly deploy the Magical Girl system. It's absurd enough to be an Emily idea.

Emily is responsible for the setup of Madoka Magica, and QC is in the same universe.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: sitnspin on 22 Mar 2016, 22:38
Who says entropy is the end?

Physics.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Kugai on 22 Mar 2016, 22:48
I've finally figured it out


Emily is a Time Lord suffering from memory loss.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Tova on 22 Mar 2016, 22:58
Check for a Chameleon Arch resembling a fob watch...
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Skewbrow on 23 Mar 2016, 00:20
Emily on a mission to defeat entropy? That will take really advanced programming -  at the level of Cosmic AC (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Question) = Asimov's version of QC's Station. On steroids.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Timemaster on 23 Mar 2016, 00:28
Entropy Rules!

(Pun intended)

I´m glad that I haven´t got a personal nemesis. But I could concider entropy to have been one, if I wanted to. I´ve been studying chemistry for three years and had to calculate a lot with entropy and thermodynamics in physical chemistry. I never really understood it and this was one of the causes I finally gave up chemistry and became a watchmaker.
So I´m completely with Emily here.  :-D

TM

EDIT:
Yay, 100 postings. Where´s the cake?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: BenRG on 23 Mar 2016, 00:34
The worrying thing is that I consider it entirely plausible that Emily will manage her victory. Naturally, she won't consider the consequences until things start going backwards in time. Knowing her, she'll think that it is funny!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Martin on 23 Mar 2016, 00:51
Yay, 100 postings. Where´s the cake?

In the next testchamber. Pleas keep going and contribute for science.

BTW: Girls who know science are awesome.
...
So when does Emily impress Dr.Chatham and gets an offer for working on the spacestation?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: explicit on 23 Mar 2016, 01:29
I like to think that anyone who knows science is awesome. Science is awesome.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Timemaster on 23 Mar 2016, 02:00

In the next testchamber. Pleas keep going and contribute for science.


Portal references rule, too.  :laugh:

TM
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: BenRG on 23 Mar 2016, 02:16
You know, I think I know where the story in today's strip ends. It ends with a dark void without even the slightest energy difference between the few remaining particles. Suddenly, out of nowhere, Emily's voice rings out:

"Eureka! Let there be light!"
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: TinPenguin on 23 Mar 2016, 03:56
It is not, but yes, there are people who'll hand the server their wallet (which was the question). Juicy lady is very rude, but the wallet-thing alone wouldn't be problematic, especially if there's a good reason. (sometimes even the people at the manicurists who don't want to ruin their new manicure do that...)

"Hey, thanks for preventing me from using my hands effectively, please take my money!"
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Skewbrow on 23 Mar 2016, 04:25
You know, I think I know where the story in today's strip ends. It ends with a dark void without even the slightest energy difference between the few remaining particles. Suddenly, out of nowhere, Emily's voice rings out:

"Eureka! Let there be light!"

You were ninja'ed (but nice to see another Asimov fan).
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Martin on 23 Mar 2016, 05:22
I like to think that anyone who knows science is awesome. Science is awesome.
Totaly true
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Method of Madness on 23 Mar 2016, 05:24
So is Emily the smartest person in the QCverse by far?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: pwhodges on 23 Mar 2016, 05:33
Suddenly, out of nowhere, Emily's voice rings out:

"Eureka! Let there be light!"

Followed by Raven saying: "Hey!  That was going to be my line!"
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Radium_Coyote on 23 Mar 2016, 05:54
Being intelligent and being smart are two obviously different things.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: chaospersonified on 23 Mar 2016, 06:13
So is Emily the smartest person in the QCverse by far?

She's good at figuring things out, at least, non-social things. This does not necessarily mean smart.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Zebediah on 23 Mar 2016, 06:19
My take is that Emily is off-the-charts good at abstract reasoning. Concrete, real-world reasoning, not so much.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Aimless on 23 Mar 2016, 10:34
Quite the opposite, really. The endgame for entropy is everything being uniformly distributed.

Uniformly messy :o
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Wimblesaurus on 23 Mar 2016, 15:29
So is Emily the smartest person in the QCverse by far?

By raw intelligence?  Yes, probably by a long shot.

By wealth of common sense and the ability to consistently apply useful life experiences to her current situation?  No.


Claire is the smartest person in QC in the same way Osaka is the smartest person in Azumanga.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: osaka on 23 Mar 2016, 16:02
Somebody rang?

Also, I think you might want to edit that. Emily is a loving homage to Osaka, yes. But you typed Claire in there, and I'm almost positive that Claire has nothing to do with Osaka. In fact, if she were to be compared to an Azumanga character, my money would be on Yomi.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Radium_Coyote on 23 Mar 2016, 17:16
The scariest thing is, she COULD win.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: SubaruStephen on 23 Mar 2016, 18:55
Yay, 100 postings. Where´s the cake?

In the next testchamber. Pleas keep going and contribute for science.

(http://static.trueachievements.com/customimages/026433.jpg)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: jheartney on 23 Mar 2016, 18:58
Emily and Hanners are the two smartest QC characters, with Claire coming in third. (This would be more impressive if the male contingent of the comic were any sort of competition, but they aren't.) Both Emily and Hanners have the smarts to become world dictator, but Emily won't because she's too busy thinking about beetles, and Hanners isn't mean enough. Of course, Hanners has considered the idea (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2443).
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Zebediah on 23 Mar 2016, 18:59
Today's strip should be added to the Wikipedia article "Entropy in popular culture". But first somebody needs to create the article "Entropy in popular culture".

I'm honestly surprised it doesn't exist already.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Method of Madness on 23 Mar 2016, 19:22
Wikipedia got rid of those after that (https://xkcd.com/446/) xkcd.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: St.Clair on 23 Mar 2016, 19:28
Emily doesn't let little things like "insufficient data for a meaningful answer" stop her.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Tova on 23 Mar 2016, 19:37
I don't think that even Emily's talent will overcome entropy. But that is okay! This is what makes entropy the perfect nemesis*.

Wikipedia got rid of those after that (https://xkcd.com/446/) xkcd.

What makes that comic funny, of course, is that it is mocking the Internet's fetish for popular culture references, a fetish that xkcd has itself fostered for many years.

* Nemesis, n.: A rival or opponent who cannot be beaten.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Method of Madness on 23 Mar 2016, 19:37
Man, I like seeing tomorrow's strip early but I hate not being able to talk about it!
* Nemesis, n.: A rival or opponent who cannot be beaten.
Well, that doesn't mean you can't beat your nemesis, just that doing so makes them no longer your nemesis, right? Or at the very most it means they retroactively never were.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Tova on 23 Mar 2016, 19:41
* Nemesis, n.: A rival or opponent who cannot be beaten.
Well, that doesn't mean you can't beat your nemesis, just that doing so makes them no longer your nemesis, right?

Yes, exactly! Which means you need to find a new one. Finding an unbeatable one is far better.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 23 Mar 2016, 20:14
Stay classy Pintsize. :facepalm:
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Undrneath on 23 Mar 2016, 20:14
I for one would never want a pooped burger no matter how well his chassis has been cleaned.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: K1dmor on 23 Mar 2016, 20:36
 Marten might hate the idea, but I'm lovin' it™  :claireface:
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: chaospersonified on 23 Mar 2016, 21:15
I for one would never want a pooped burger no matter how well his chassis has been cleaned.

Eh, I'd be cool with it, presuming said burger was cooked to my semi-precise specifications
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Tova on 23 Mar 2016, 21:55
It would go nicely with a cup of espresso (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2173).
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: cesium133 on 23 Mar 2016, 22:27
...will not dredge up the tired "ass burgers" pun... ...will not dredge up the tired "ass burgers" pun... ...will not dredge up the tired "ass burgers" pun...
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Omega Entity on 23 Mar 2016, 22:28
Apparently people actually do have the ability to poop burgers. (http://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/japanese-scientists-creates-meat-out-of-feces/)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 23 Mar 2016, 22:38
Maybe Jeph has a new syndrome to go with Butts Disease.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 23 Mar 2016, 22:44
What's really surprising is that Marten and Claire have been going out for how long and Claire still doesn't know when Pintsize is setting up a joke?

Here's a hint - never trust a thing Pintsize says.

Really Marten should probably get a card printed up similar to the one about Bart in the Simpsons.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Tova on 23 Mar 2016, 23:11
He was joking? Are you sure?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: hakko504 on 23 Mar 2016, 23:45
Apparently people actually do have the ability to poop burgers. (http://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/japanese-scientists-creates-meat-out-of-feces/)
Why did I click that link? I knew I was going to regret it. 'scuse me while I go and claw out my eyes.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: BenRG on 24 Mar 2016, 00:13
So, it is confirmed that there are currently no commonly known 'bio-bot' meat chassis. We also learn about another of Pintsize's fetishes. Like many of them, I wonder if he only has it to freak out people by discussing it with them! We also learned that the limit of Marten's tolerance is extreme body mods of the 'aesthetic cyborging' level.

I just thought about having a subcutaneous magnetically-induced current. Given the gauss that MRI scanners generate, it would probably be the last and ultimate 'buzz'.

P.S.: Maybe I'm over-interpreting but it sounds to me that Clinton has required several MRIs in his time, post-robo-hand. I wonder why?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: neurocase on 24 Mar 2016, 00:20
P.S.: Maybe I'm over-interpreting but it sounds to me that Clinton has required several MRIs in his time, post-robo-hand. I wonder why?

I think it's just clumsy phrasing. Claire is saying that if Clinton were to ever need one, he'll need to get his prosthetic mount removed. Using "he has" in that sentence does kind of make it read like he gets them often when you re-read it.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: USS Martenclaire on 24 Mar 2016, 00:21
"Welcome to Buttburger Drive-Thru. If you head round the corner, the guy with his arse hanging out the window will have your order ready in just a minute...."
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Sullivan on 24 Mar 2016, 00:45
Apparently people actually do have the ability to poop burgers. (http://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/japanese-scientists-creates-meat-out-of-feces/)
Why did I click that link? I knew I was going to regret it. 'scuse me while I go and claw out my eyes.
If you knew why you clicked that link, you might be tempted to claw out your brain.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: hedgie on 24 Mar 2016, 01:20
Curiosity is a powerful thing.  On fora, I had seen warnings in followup posts about something being this thing called "goatse", and not to look at it for any reason.  Of *course* I had to click.

Just remember.  Curiosity killed the cat, but passing interest merely wounded it.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: zmeiat_joro on 24 Mar 2016, 04:01
IIRC when someone showed Marten's mom Goatse she recognised the guy as a friend of hers.

And when the title of the article (which is in the link) is "Japan scientist synthesizes meat from human feces" why would you click on it if you think you're going to be grossed out by SCIENCE?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Akima on 24 Mar 2016, 05:18
This would be more impressive if the male contingent of the comic were any sort of competition,
Why is the sex of the "competition" relevant? Why is it more impressive for a woman to be smarter than a man than a woman? Is the implication here that men are generally more intelligent than women, and that is what would make it more impressive? If so, I'm disappointed that we haven't left that sort of gross sexism behind by now.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Undrneath on 24 Mar 2016, 06:54
Actually by the phrasing it sounds to me like the intent is to state that none of the male contingent of the comic are as smart as any of the females which in general is true from a certain perspective. We men tend to not think about anything before we act. I feel that proper application of intelligence is what make one smart.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 24 Mar 2016, 08:14
Quick question - has Claire moved in with Marten and Faye in the time skip? Because she always seems to be in their flat.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: BenRG on 24 Mar 2016, 08:18
Quick question - has Claire moved in with Marten and Faye in the time skip? Because she always seems to be in their flat.

She spends a lot of time at the apartment but she isn't living there yet. How do we know? In strip 3165 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3165), we see Marten sitting in bed, having a conversation with Claire by phone text.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 24 Mar 2016, 11:14
Isn't it a relevant bit of discussion of Jeph's art to look at how he has distributed intelligence, courage, good looks, and everything else among the characters? And how he's not bestowed hyper-intelligence on any of the men?

Relevant, but wrong. Sven had the kind of mind that can coast through school easily. At the rarefied heights of intelligence, Hannerdad and Station have prominent places.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Penquin47 on 24 Mar 2016, 11:35
There's also Clinton, who hasn't been shown to be a supergenius or anything, but probably is highly intelligent.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: St.Clair on 24 Mar 2016, 12:31
Apparently people actually do have the ability to poop burgers. (http://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/japanese-scientists-creates-meat-out-of-feces/)
Why did I click that link? I knew I was going to regret it. 'scuse me while I go and claw out my eyes.

All organic matter on the planet has been through that particular cycle, multiple times.*
Is the additional abstraction afforded by more steps comforting to you?  Or the idea that one process is "natural", while another involves human action?  (Though again, that's been true of meat production for most of human history.)

* and before that, it was part of the protoplanetary nebula, and before that, various stars, including at least one supernova.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: St.Clair on 24 Mar 2016, 12:35
(separate post for separate topic)

And yet, for all that intelligence, they are all quite capable of being idiots.
Which is, in my experience, entirely true to life.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: jheartney on 24 Mar 2016, 12:45
Didn't mean to start a discussion of relative intelligence of genders. Just noting that the ordinary guys in this strip tend to be goofballs. Probably HannerDad is highly intelligent too, but I suspect his daughter is even smarter, albeit emotionally troubled.

Sven's one of those people who cruise through life without trying very hard. Dunno that this shows general intelligence so much as just luck. Plenty of highly intelligent folks have a rough time of it day to day, while some not terribly bright bulbs seem to have it easy.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Kugai on 24 Mar 2016, 14:58
Pintsize - the one constant in an ever changing QCverse.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: TRVA123 on 24 Mar 2016, 16:11
eh, there are different types of intelligence.

Steve was a freaking secret agent. I'd say that he at least knows how to get intelligence, if he needs it.

Sven is arguably a musical genius.

Hanners has that eclectic intelligence that being homeschooled on a space station can give you. Emily is obviously  some sort of savant.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 24 Mar 2016, 17:32
Yay, 100 postings. Where´s the cake?

Cake for you! (http://satwcomic.com/nordic-cuisine)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Zebediah on 24 Mar 2016, 18:43
Something that occurred to me: Clinton needing to have his hand mount removed would be a major operation. It appears to be pretty firmly integrated into his forearm - it probably attaches to the bone and is controlled by the nerves of his arm. So removing it would be tantamount to another amputation.

In short, they'd probably try to find any possible alternative to an MRI that they could in Clinton's case.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Mad Cat on 24 Mar 2016, 20:26
Apparently people actually do have the ability to poop burgers. (http://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/japanese-scientists-creates-meat-out-of-feces/)
Welp! There goes my plans to vacay in Okinawa.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 24 Mar 2016, 20:55
Something that occurred to me: Clinton needing to have his hand mount removed would be a major operation. It appears to be pretty firmly integrated into his forearm - it probably attaches to the bone and is controlled by the nerves of his arm. So removing it would be tantamount to another amputation.

In short, they'd probably try to find any possible alternative to an MRI that they could in Clinton's case.

I'm not quite sure it would be as drastic as that.

A lot of current medical implants have to be MRI safe and are made from non-ferromagnetic materials. These materials would be tested to ensure that they can be used for implantation, but also so that they can be used and examined with the minimum of invasive procedures. Often in an emergency time is critical and if you have remove an implant because you think it might interfere with equipment, that's time that is potentially fatal for a patient.

Just a quick word - every implant is stringently tested because it is used on a patient, it will be used on a person. Every piece has a limit and those limits are generally within the range that is healthy for the patient. Because an MRI could last a few minutes to an hour, some implants can be made to last several hours under the conditions of an MRI, but after that, it will fail.

It also has to come down with the biocompatibility of the materials used, for example titanium is used a lot in hip and knee replacements not only because its got a strength similar to bone, but because it also does not provoke an immune response when implanted. The last thing you want is the body rejecting an implant. Because titanium has an extremely weak magnetic field compared to ferromagnetic materials, its used more often because it is safer from the patient's standpoint and because it can be safely checked through x-rays and MRIs.

With regards to Clinton, I don't think his prosthetic mounting would be permanently attached. If you have something with working parts close to human flesh, it can cause irritation or in rarer instances infection. So it would be case that if Clinton is feeling something on his stump, a doctor would need to examine the stump, which would necessitate removing the mounting.

Likewise, depending on how old Clinton was when he lost his hand, either he would have had to wait until he was fully grown before getting the prosthesis or gone through a series of prostheses as he was growing up. The hand he has is possible myoelectric, in that it is powered and controlled by the faint bioelectric that all muscles have, picked up by electrodes implanted in the arm.

The fact that Claire said that Clinton has to have the mounting removed, probably tells that there is a lock or method to quickly and safely take it off.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: mustang6172 on 24 Mar 2016, 21:15
Speaking of attaching organic material to technology and said technology magically solving problems.

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_leh2jaln1m1qeerdwo1_500.jpg)

What's highly annoying is Jeph's assertion that there can be a wrong side of history.  This presupposes that morality is both objective and unable to change with time.  Furthermore, Napoleon said, "History is a myth that men agree to believe," which leaves the possibility that what we consider history is just the remains of pop-culture past.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: MrNumbers on 24 Mar 2016, 21:47
Isn't it a relevant bit of discussion of Jeph's art to look at how he has distributed intelligence, courage, good looks, and everything else among the characters? And how he's not bestowed hyper-intelligence on any of the men?

Relevant, but wrong. Sven had the kind of mind that can coast through school easily. At the rarefied heights of intelligence, Hannerdad and Station have prominent places.

I'd argue a much more relevant metric is intelligence from sexes by screentime, where you still have Hanners and Emily taking the lead in a core cast, more than one-panel-in-a-hundred basis.

On the other hand, I think a much more interesting discussion is which gender is written happier, where you have Marten's zen contentment against Emily's mania.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Kugai on 24 Mar 2016, 22:16
Heavy meat (no pun intended) for a Friday
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 24 Mar 2016, 22:31
Either Pintsize has grown up a lot or Claire has committed to dropping stealth globally.

Her expression in panel 2 was so poignant. She felt compassion for AIs.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: explicit on 24 Mar 2016, 22:45
He's a dick, not an asshole. Completely different.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2GwrR-4Q9E

Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 24 Mar 2016, 23:02
Even if Pintsize has grown up enough to be trustworthy, possible I suppose, why would Claire trust him?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: hedgie on 24 Mar 2016, 23:11
He *did* choose the birdseed.  Her bluff was probably enough to earn her a sort of respect that none of the other cast have.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: BenRG on 25 Mar 2016, 00:36
Is it me or, in panel 5, did Pintsize actually seem rather surprised that he made a good point? I don't think that this was exactly his intention. :wink: Still, he got a Clairehug and something tells me that this is a gift for which he is appropriately grateful!

He also still managed to be gross at the end so, that's 'mission accomplished' as far as he is concerned!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: demency on 25 Mar 2016, 05:18
Something that occurred to me: Clinton needing to have his hand mount removed would be a major operation. It appears to be pretty firmly integrated into his forearm - it probably attaches to the bone and is controlled by the nerves of his arm. So removing it would be tantamount to another amputation.

In short, they'd probably try to find any possible alternative to an MRI that they could in Clinton's case.

I'm not quite sure it would be as drastic as that.

A lot of current medical implants have to be MRI safe and are made from non-ferromagnetic materials. These materials would be tested to ensure that they can be used for implantation, but also so that they can be used and examined with the minimum of invasive procedures. Often in an emergency time is critical and if you have remove an implant because you think it might interfere with equipment, that's time that is potentially fatal for a patient.

Speaking as a legit cyborg with a cybernetic biomedical implant, for me, it *would* be that drastic. The only way for me to undergo an MRI would be for them to open me up, remove the neurostimulator controller in my lower back, incise into my spinal canal once again, unwrap the electrodes from their seat attached to my spinal cord, break the scar tissue securing them in place, and pull them out of my body. It would be major, traumatic surgery. If they tried to give me an MRI with the device still in my body, the magnetic fields would make the battery begin discharging randomly and unpredictably, causing major damage to my spinal cord, just below my arms, and possibly killing me. So, yeah, it would be a really, really big deal.

That said, I also have a titanium rod in my right arm, and several screws, and those are all non-ferromagnetic, and safe for MRI's. (Although I can feel them vibrate and get warm at concerts, which is cool) For complex technology, requiring computers and batteries, however, like my implant, and like Clinton's, there's no real way around them requiring parts that interface very badly with strong magnetic fields. Not yet, at any rate.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: jaquio on 25 Mar 2016, 08:34
Not going to lie, I agree with the issue, but...

I find the whole "Very Special Episode" style with the character staring straight ahead and preaching directly to the reader/viewer to be, well, condescending.

I'd rather see these issues made through the art and demonstrated through the experiences of the story.  In just about all media I find it irritating when characters proselytize to the audience as a proxy for the author.  QC doesn't get a free pass, no matter how much I agree with the issue and enjoy the comic.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: pwhodges on 25 Mar 2016, 09:17
staring straight ahead and preaching directly to the reader/viewer

She wasn't - she was addressing Pintsize directly, and we were looking over the top of his head.  Her eyes were not looking at us.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: ZoeB on 25 Mar 2016, 09:18
Not going to lie, I agree with the issue, but...

I find the whole "Very Special Episode" style with the character staring straight ahead and preaching directly to the reader/viewer to be, well, condescending.

I'd rather see these issues made through the art and demonstrated through the experiences of the story.  In just about all media I find it irritating when characters proselytize to the audience as a proxy for the author.  QC doesn't get a free pass, no matter how much I agree with the issue and enjoy the comic.

It's been a very special week. I'm now forced to use the men's room in NC.

Quote
North Carolina lawmakers must have recognized that careful scrutiny of the bill would have doomed it. They convened a special session on Wednesday — which cost taxpayers $42,000 — to ram the bill through. The House allowed for 30 minutes of public debate, limiting speakers to two minutes.
And the Governor signed it that night.

I'm not the only woman born in the UK to have this problem.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3370261/Mother-five-accidentally-registered-boy-birth-reveals-s-spent-150-000-trying-mistake-corrected-hasn-t-managed-it.html

While aimed at LGBT people, it mainly affects Intersex ones, and those born in TN and other jurisdictions where birth certificate corrections can't happen. Only a handful of us, but far, far more than all the examples of the "danger" this law ostensibly seeks to avoid that have ever occurred in the entire history of the USA. It literally says that "biological sex" is defined by marks on a piece of paper.

So while it would be nice to be able to forget the frothing at the mouth animus shown by legislators,  or at least have the issue brought up in an aesthetically pleasing manner rather than overtly, there are actual. overt not aesthetic consequences here we can't ignore. Including the increased incidence of fatalities amongst children.

Quote
Transgender and gender non-conforming people frequently experience discrimination, harassment, and marginalization across college and university campuses (Bilodeau, 2007; Finger, 2010; Rankin, et al., 2010; Seelman et al., 2012). The minority stress model (Meyer, 2007) posits that experiences of discrimination often negatively impact the psychological well-being of minority groups. However, few scholars have examined whether college institutional climate factors—such as being denied access to bathrooms or gender-appropriate campus housing—are significantly associated with detrimental psychological outcomes for transgender people. Using the National Transgender Discrimination Survey, this study analyzes whether being denied access to these spaces is associated with lifetime suicide attempts, after controlling for interpersonal victimization by students or teachers. Findings from sequential logistic regression (N = 2,316) indicate that denial of access to either space had a significant relationship to suicidality, even after controlling for interpersonal victimization. This paper discusses implications for higher education professionals and researchers.
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00918369.2016.1157998?journalCode=wjhm20

However, such discussion more properly belongs on the appropriate thread in the "serious discussion" group. It's only on very, very special occasions that the exception is... only human.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: USS Martenclaire on 25 Mar 2016, 09:23
I think today's comic is a very positive one. If even a being as degenerate, evil and f***ed up as Pintsize can figure out how empathy and understanding work, maybe humans can as well. ^^
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: sitnspin on 25 Mar 2016, 10:14
Sadly, Pintsize is fictional. Fictional characters are capable of anything. Real people are less so.

I still hold out hope, tenuous as it may be.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: demency on 25 Mar 2016, 10:24
Not going to lie, I agree with the issue, but...

I find the whole "Very Special Episode" style with the character staring straight ahead and preaching directly to the reader/viewer to be, well, condescending.

I'd rather see these issues made through the art and demonstrated through the experiences of the story.  In just about all media I find it irritating when characters proselytize to the audience as a proxy for the author.  QC doesn't get a free pass, no matter how much I agree with the issue and enjoy the comic.

It's been a very special week. I'm now forced to use the men's room in NC.

Yeah. Ditto. :/ As a trans woman, it's pretty shit to wake up every morning and find out which states are trying to outlaw my existence now.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 25 Mar 2016, 12:04
Actually by the phrasing it sounds to me like the intent is to state that none of the male contingent of the comic are as smart as any of the females which in general is true from a certain perspective. We men tend to not think about anything before we act. I feel that proper application of intelligence is what make one smart.

There was stereotyping there. The mods got a complaint about it.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Undrneath on 25 Mar 2016, 12:39
I don't see it, but fair enough.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: HiFranc on 25 Mar 2016, 13:18
I would like to see a cross over with Damsels Don't Wear Glasses.  Pintsize and Lave in the same room!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Omega Entity on 25 Mar 2016, 14:24
Not going to lie, I agree with the issue, but...

I find the whole "Very Special Episode" style with the character staring straight ahead and preaching directly to the reader/viewer to be, well, condescending.

I'd rather see these issues made through the art and demonstrated through the experiences of the story.  In just about all media I find it irritating when characters proselytize to the audience as a proxy for the author.  QC doesn't get a free pass, no matter how much I agree with the issue and enjoy the comic.

I feel the same way. The message was uncharacteristically heavy-handed, namely panel 4 - it just doesn't feel like natural conversation. The message is great, and right, don't get me wrong. The delivery was just kinda... awkward? I dunno what word I'm looking for here.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Akima on 25 Mar 2016, 14:59
I find the whole "Very Special Episode" style with the character staring straight ahead and preaching directly to the reader/viewer to be, well, condescending.
Jeph did NOT have Claire doing that, but quite obviously looking at, and speaking to, Pintsize.

I know it must be terribly dull, and annoying to hear trans people, women, racial minorities etc. banging on about discrimination aimed at them like it was important or something. Because of course we're good people, and of course we agree with the point being made. But we'll complain that  actually making it is condescending and heavy-handed; we're so supportive.

If you want heavy-handed, see the paragraph above, but I'm with Claire: "We have to fight that now."
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: WareWolf on 25 Mar 2016, 15:19
Not going to lie, I agree with the issue, but...

I find the whole "Very Special Episode" style with the character staring straight ahead and preaching directly to the reader/viewer to be, well, condescending.

I'd rather see these issues made through the art and demonstrated through the experiences of the story.  In just about all media I find it irritating when characters proselytize to the audience as a proxy for the author.  QC doesn't get a free pass, no matter how much I agree with the issue and enjoy the comic.

It's been a very special week. I'm now forced to use the men's room in NC.

As a native North Carolinian, I apologize on behalf of my state. We didn't used to be batshit crazy. We had a corrupt Dem administration followed by an astoundingly  feckless one, and that's why we're currently run by the wingnuts. But we've suffered enough for that.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Random832 on 25 Mar 2016, 16:40
Jeph did NOT have Claire doing that, but quite obviously looking at, and speaking to, Pintsize.

Maybe she was looking at him, but she was absolutely not speaking to him. Pintsize hadn't said one word about technology supposedly solving non-technical problems such as bigotry. Sure, there probably were people in her life who did say things like that (for a minute I wondered if it was Clinton), that she was annoyed by (and that Pintsize's words resembled, if only superficially, enough to trigger that), but Pintsize himself didn't actually say that.

She was speaking to the people who had said such things to her (or, rather, to Jeph - the camera moved right on top of Pintsize's head for a reason)... and Pintsize hadn't actually set her up for it well enough for it to be seamless.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 25 Mar 2016, 17:34
Not going to lie, I agree with the issue, but...

I find the whole "Very Special Episode" style with the character staring straight ahead and preaching directly to the reader/viewer to be, well, condescending.

I'd rather see these issues made through the art and demonstrated through the experiences of the story.  In just about all media I find it irritating when characters proselytize to the audience as a proxy for the author.  QC doesn't get a free pass, no matter how much I agree with the issue and enjoy the comic.

I feel the same way. The message was uncharacteristically heavy-handed, namely panel 4 - it just doesn't feel like natural conversation. The message is great, and right, don't get me wrong. The delivery was just kinda... awkward? I dunno what word I'm looking for here.

It felt like natural conversation to me, because I was the Pintsize in a real-life version of it once.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 25 Mar 2016, 18:08
Just to make one thing perfectly clear, that sofa is absolutely Naugahyde --- or Pintsize wouldn't be allowed on it.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Tova on 25 Mar 2016, 18:15
It seemed in character to me. E.g.:

http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2205

This is the assertive Claire that, as I recall, a handful of people took to disliking around about this time in the strip. Curious, that.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Akima on 25 Mar 2016, 18:18
Pintsize hadn't said one word about technology supposedly solving non-technical problems such as bigotry.
Pintsize said: "Eh, it'll be fine. Eventually everyone will be able to have whatever kind of body they want." So he was certainly suggesting that technology would fix the problem of any mis-match between mind and body, and then everything would be "fine". Like Claire, I'm perfectly certain that it won't.

This is the assertive Claire that, as I recall, a handful of people took to disliking around about this time in the strip.
Just so.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 25 Mar 2016, 18:28
Fixing the body is only one part of the problem, of course. Between that and thousands of years of bigotry and hatred... That's probably the lesser problem in many cases.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: TRVA123 on 25 Mar 2016, 18:41
From a message point, YES, right on, this is what people need to hear right now.

From a storytelling point... I have to agree that it seems as though Jeph pulled a bit of a Sorkin. Occasionally in the show the West Wing, Sorkin would push a character into asking a question or making a point that that character might not ordinarily make (for example, the episode when CJ is forced to ask Sam what the census is...)  It doesn't quite flow as the story usually does.

It is enough of a break from Jephs usual storytelling style that it is noticable, but in this case it doesn't bother me much. I think that at this moment in history people might need to hear something a little more heavy handed. People can't just go "oh, bigots are on the wrong side of history, why should we even care about voting/fighting injustice now? Someday soon we won't have these silly laws."
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: comicalArchitect on 25 Mar 2016, 19:05
My response to all this: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Method of Madness on 25 Mar 2016, 20:25
It seemed in character to me. E.g.:

http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2205

This is the assertive Claire that, as I recall, a handful of people took to disliking around about this time in the strip. Curious, that.

I always forget Gabby exists.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: SubaruStephen on 25 Mar 2016, 20:37
Either Pintsize has grown up a lot or Claire has committed to dropping stealth globally.

This. Why is nobody talking about this? Claire just told Pintsize (Pintsize of all people!) that she's trans.

And he didn't even react to that.
 :?
Forget time travel, THIS is what makes my mind ache.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Gladstone on 25 Mar 2016, 23:01
Where do people keep getting the idea that Pintsize was going to mock Claire for being trans?  For that matter, when did Pintsize develop a reputation for being some kind of malicious evil when he's never been more than a mostly-harmless prankster?  He may be crude, he may be annoying, he may cause a bit of mischief and property damage here and there, but he's never (or rarely) dished out more than people can take.  He didn't poke fun at Faye's drinking problem (her friends did, though), he never filled Hannelore's apartment with garbage (her friends have joked about it), so what gives people the idea that he would ever use Claire's gender as a weapon against her?  As Claire just said in today's comic, he may be a horrible little robot, but he's not an asshole.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: oeoek on 26 Mar 2016, 02:18

This. Why is nobody talking about this? Claire just told Pintsize (Pintsize of all people!) that she's trans.

And he didn't even react to that.
 :?
Forget time travel, THIS is what makes my mind ache.

Meh, to Pintsize and his mates,  gender is just a flipped software switch (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=347). The possibity to be whatever you like is no biggie to him.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Zebediah on 26 Mar 2016, 04:21
Pintsize has a nicelist.txt.

With one entry.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 26 Mar 2016, 06:47
Claire is one of the few people that actually understand that Pintsize is not a rampaging a-hole. I mean she says as much. He's crude, he's rude, he enjoys shocking people... But he's also a companion AI. And really, he does help people. He does so while being crude, rude and nasty towards people. In a lot of ways he's like a old jester. He deliberately makes himself the butt of jokes to act as a goad and provide catharsis to those around him. He sets himself up to be a joke, even be abused... but he also amuses people and sometimes makes them think. He was there when Marten needed a friend. He's been there when Faye tried drinking herself to death. He set himself up the target for Bubbles' anger at the party, knowing full well it would go badly for him.. but it was something she needed before she was stressed to far and tried to disassemble someone else at the party. Someone's who's limbs aren't held together by magnets.

Sure, he enjoys shocking people. Collecting porn, grossing people out and engaging in minor acts of mayhem and teasing others are his hobbies. But he doesn't try to hurt people. He doesn't use his information against others in a mean or nasty way. In the end, he just wants to help.. in a round about way. Also, he's small and sneaky. Claire's around the apartment a lot. The chances are very high he already has figured out or knows that Claire is trans well before this.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 26 Mar 2016, 08:59
Particularly since he's been known to ogle a roommate in the shower.

I wouldn't tell a secret to someone Chaotic.

It's a mercy that he didn't make crude suggestions like he did to Faye. He's decent to Claire, but there's infinite scope for disaster if he's getting his ideas about trans people from his porn database.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: BenRG on 26 Mar 2016, 09:24
It's a mercy that he didn't make crude suggestions like he did to Faye. He's decent to Claire, but there's infinite scope for disaster if he's getting his ideas about trans people from his porn database.

FWIW, I really think that Pintsize is able to differentiate between fantasy and reality. He'll only make reference to tropes like that if he considers it likely to be entertaining.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: swapna on 26 Mar 2016, 12:55
I think it feels forced, having Claire talk "almost" into the camera. It's about as subtle as Dora's long-winded explanation of poly/monogamous relationships - at a person who has actual experience in that as opposed to Doras own string of monogamous relationships. And it is annoying, because this is important! Especially topics like that suffer if I feel lectured by a Web comic. I'm not saying they don't belong, au contraire, but teaching me sneakily through struggles/conflicts/example is much more effective and could lead to actual interest as opposed to annoyed eye rolling.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Zebediah on 26 Mar 2016, 14:28
For what it's worth, Friday's comic has gone viral among my friends in North Carolina. They feel it's saying something that needs to be said.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 26 Mar 2016, 16:10
People who object, how did you feel about Momo talking to Marten about the bigoted anti-AI church? Same thing? Different thing? Different how?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: swapna on 26 Mar 2016, 17:05
It felt more natural - it was something Momo wanted to talk about, and she was already upset. She also didn't feel the need to lecture Marten about the topic (she assumed he was on her side, she just clarified why she was sad).

In Claires case - she felt the need to reiterate something everybody already knew (pintsize isn't surprised), she argued against a strawman (in no universe did Pintsize say that tech would solve all problems, he just said everybody could have the body they wanted). If she continued the conversation another way (it would be awesome if being able to have whatever body you want would actually solve all problems, but she can't see it going that way, because bigotry, for example) it would have felt like a conversation friends actually have, not a lecture.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Random832 on 27 Mar 2016, 01:43
It felt more natural - it was something Momo wanted to talk about, and she was already upset. She also didn't feel the need to lecture Marten about the topic (she assumed he was on her side, she just clarified why she was sad).

In Claires case - she felt the need to reiterate something everybody already knew (pintsize isn't surprised), she argued against a strawman (in no universe did Pintsize say that tech would solve all problems, he just said everybody could have the body they wanted). If she continued the conversation another way (it would be awesome if being able to have whatever body you want would actually solve all problems, but she can't see it going that way, because bigotry, for example) it would have felt like a conversation friends actually have, not a lecture.

Also, the camera moved to Pintsize's head. That's not something that randomly happens, that's a choice Jeph made.

No, Claire didn't look at the camera. That doesn't change the fact that the camera looked at her (or, rather, centered itself in the direction she was looking).
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: ZoeB on 27 Mar 2016, 06:30
Claire is one of the few people that actually understand that Pintsize is not a rampaging a-hole. I mean she says as much. He's crude, he's rude, he enjoys shocking people... But he's also a companion AI. And really, he does help people. He does so while being crude, rude and nasty towards people. In a lot of ways he's like a old jester. He deliberately makes himself the butt of jokes to act as a goad and provide catharsis to those around him. He sets himself up to be a joke, even be abused... but he also amuses people and sometimes makes them think.

+1 Insightful
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 27 Mar 2016, 13:37
Claire may have heard people saying everything would be all right later, and they may have said it in a spirit of refusing to look at her daily issues.

Reacting to those past conversations while talking to Pintsize was not the ultimate in focused conversation but it feels plausible to me.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Akima on 27 Mar 2016, 15:16
Claire may have heard people saying everything would be all right later, and they may have said it in a spirit of refusing to look at her daily issues.
Which is a thing people do. All the time. Whether it's the inequality of women and ethnic minorities, or denial of basic civil rights to trans people or homosexuals, the reaction is much the same: "Oh, but it's getting better isn't it? Please stop banging on about the injustice you face in your daily life."
That's not something that randomly happens, that's a choice Jeph made.
Indeed it is. His comment under the comic refers explicitly to wanting to make a point. And it doesn't go down very well, apparently.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Zebediah on 27 Mar 2016, 16:08
Whether it's the inequality of women and ethnic minorities, or denial of basic civil rights to trans people or homosexuals, the reaction is much the same: "Oh, but it's getting better isn't it? Please stop banging on about the injustice you face in your daily life."

Which is why I, sitting in my position of privilege as a straight white cisgendered male, can't look someone else in the face and counsel patience while they await the day when they will have rights I already enjoy. Yeah, you should have equal rights with me, and you should have them yesterday. And yes, things are getting better, but we can't slack off because recent events have starkly highlighted the fact that progress is not inevitable. The arc of history bends towards justice only because a lot of people have expended a lot of effort doing the bending.

And if a lecture from a comic character helps get through to people, so be it. Lecture away.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 27 Mar 2016, 18:40
One thing I haven't brought up is the fact that yes... things are getting better. Because people are not slacking off on the fight. In fact more people are coming to our side. Things don't just magically get better with time. People have to fight and fight and suffer and bleed and then get up and fight some more to change things. Sometimes comic characters have to make a direct appeal to the readers. This may make people uncomfortable. And it should do that. Being reminded that people have to fight on a sometimes daily basis not just for equal rights, but in some cases to be treated like a human being... I hope people are made uncomfortable realizing that.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: swapna on 27 Mar 2016, 19:24
Claire may have heard people saying everything would be all right later, and they may have said it in a spirit of refusing to look at her daily issues.
Which is a thing people do. All the time. Whether it's the inequality of women and ethnic minorities, or denial of basic civil rights to trans people or homosexuals, the reaction is much the same: "Oh, but it's getting better isn't it? Please stop banging on about the injustice you face in your daily life."
That's not something that randomly happens, that's a choice Jeph made.
Indeed it is. His comment under the comic refers explicitly to wanting to make a point. And it doesn't go down very well, apparently.

Yes, people might say that. Nobody did, though. Not Pintsize, not Marten, not anybody. The point is, nobody's opposed to any discriminated group 'banging on' about the injustice in their life. It's not the point that doesn't go down well, it's the delivery.
Clarie is used as a mouthpiece, and in the process is portrayed as somebody who feels the need to condescendingly lecture a friend.

I get the impatience with people who don't care enough to want to understand; but with friends, it's a different matter. No matter how well-made and great and important my point is, I can't expect them to listen and understand unless I treat them with the respect and consideration they deserve.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Method of Madness on 27 Mar 2016, 20:03
Panel 2: Pintsize says something Claire doesn't like
Panel 3: Claire reacts to it, and Pintsize asks what he did wrong
Panel 4: Claire explains why she objected to what Pintsize said, and that attitude in general
Panel 5: Claire apologizes for lecturing, enforcing how important the topic is to her
Panel 6: Confirms no hard feelings towards Pintsize, who certainly doesn't seem annoyed at being lectured

I don't really see Claire being condescending or even sort of breaking the fourth wall, sure, she's looking towards the camera but that helps us see her expression, and how personal this is to her.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 27 Mar 2016, 20:25
The ultimate in courtesy to Pintsize would have been to react only to what he had just said.

I wrote that just to be able to put "ultimate courtesy" and "Pintsize" in the same sentence.

Isn't it totally in character for Claire to lecture someone?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: hedgie on 27 Mar 2016, 21:15
It is.  The only thing that I see as being possibly "out of character" is Claire hugging Pintsize.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: pwhodges on 28 Mar 2016, 00:41
Claire is used as a mouthpiece, and in the process is portrayed as somebody who feels the need to condescendingly lecture a friend.

But people do exactly that sort of thing when they get home after encountering a frustrating attitude elsewhere during the day, for instance.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: sitnspin on 28 Mar 2016, 01:19
Ah, tone policing. Such a novel concept. That's certainly not something oppressed groups hear from privileged classes whenever they try to speak out about their experiences.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: ZoeB on 28 Mar 2016, 01:34
The arc of history bends towards justice only because a lot of people have expended a lot of effort doing the bending.
Truer words were never spoken. It helps more than  you know not having to do it alone though.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: sitnspin on 28 Mar 2016, 01:42
The arc of history bends towards justice only because a lot of people have expended a lot of effort doing the bending.
Truer words were never spoken. It helps more than  you know not having to do it alone though.
Word.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: MrWoodchip on 28 Mar 2016, 07:35
Marten's hair is styled. There's something weird going on.

Bit late, but whatever.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3181 to 3185 (21 to 25 March 2016)
Post by: Thrudd on 30 Mar 2016, 08:33
On the whole bigotry thing, be it AI, gender or pigmentation, I notice all too often that tolerance and progressive attitudes all go out the window and into the septic tank for specific racial, or perceived racial groups.

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