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Title: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: BenRG on 11 Sep 2016, 12:56
Imagine Jeph were to give you the chance to choose the back-story of a new character for the strip! What would you choose?

I tried to be as original as possible as no-one likes duplicated characters whose only difference is in their names in any story.

I have to admit that I don't have a clear choice myself. I am more than a little fascinated with the idea of one character having a negative history with May and her having to confront the human face of what she did in pursuit of her selfish dreams. It could be seriously character-building for her or, alternately, could just give her a regular and inescapable comedy character antagonist (the Sydney Yus to her Robin DeSanto).

However, after thinking about it, I'd really like for Claire's professor to be given a face, mainly so we can follow her senior year adventures and get more of a clear picture of how she's thinking about her future. I also think that an older, wilder and somewhat embarrassing stoner who has authority over her might also be a nice way to shake up the status quo with Tai's character too!

Okay, onto my prediction for this week's strips: I'm thinking that we're going to have the Augustus kids' attempts to help Brun this week; they're well-intentioned and maybe not particular effective, but at least they're trying! I think that Claire will get involved because she genuinely empathises with Brun's difficulties and wants to help her aside from her wanting to help our what she continues to believe is her brother's crush.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Kugai on 11 Sep 2016, 14:48
The return of Vespa Avenger and Raven - and they are now Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Tova on 11 Sep 2016, 15:27
I chose the Deathmøle option because, if Marten's story is to progress, Deathmøle is the most obvious vehicle.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Thrudd on 11 Sep 2016, 16:57
I choose you pikachoo.

Nah, I despise the lil electric rat. Never got into the card game due to Magic the collecting at the time and only watched the first season or two due to my anime club showing episodes.

Now what I could see is a continuing education student added to the mix.
A regular foil for some of the cast members and a possible connection to some of our more awkward geeks in this circle.
I could see then being a facilitator for some of the cast depending on this persons background and connections.
 
So they are going to school to upgrade certifications or get the right diploma thanks to government regulations.
[ joke here is that they literally wrote the book on the subject but the professors are giving them a hard time because they are not doing it right.
Joke overdone would be  if their picture is inside the dust jacket of the book in question. ]
{yes this happened in real life - I am not as creative as the universe - yet }

So a little or a lot older than a good chunk of the cast.
Plays the part of a fish out of water in the modern post secondary system though eventually finds a measure of routine thanks to interaction and help from maybe clin-ton.
Has to be single of course or how are we ever to get any drama?
Well read, versed etc in bygone geek culture and is about to give up on keeping up on the newer stuff.
Too many games, anime series, rpg system changes but knows quite a few people in the industry due to connections in the past.
Your basic introverted geek approaching middle age.

What kind of "issues" should they have?
Well besides being an introvert I see them being highly creative with a mind like either DATA or a more affable and less prickish Holms.
Experienced in acting various expected parts in social situations, maybe due to being into Role Playing Games for a period of their life.
Hmm, lets add a chink in that facade and have them miss the all but the most blatant interpersonal social cues.
Hmm Dudely Doright crossed with the Right Honourable member of Parliment for kicking horse pass  David Broadfoot - everthing is just downhill from there :roll:
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: jheartney on 11 Sep 2016, 17:27
• It turns out that not all the members of Bubbles' squad were killed; out of nowhere her CO turns up with news that the others may secretly be POW's.
• Unexpectedly, Momo's old chassis wakes up and claims it's the real Momo.
• One of Hanners' old counting-things clients shows up at Coffee of Doom and tries to hire her to count top secret stuff for the CIA. But is he really from the CIA?
• The basement at Coffee of Doom suddenly becomes haunted by a mischievous ghost. Hilarity ensues.
• The landlord of Marten's/Faye's/Hanners' apartment building decides to evict them as he's converting the building into condos. After protracted shenanigans, our heroes are allowed to stay, but soon the building is overrun with investment bankers and other rich scum.
• We find out at last what's been keeping Emily too busy to see Clinton: she's been creating a new custom AI named Aloysius Bartolomew. Aloysius is either the world's champion Cribbage player, or a budding world overlord, or a non-English speaking sous-chef, or various other personalities, depending on the day of the week.
• Dale's mother decides to come visit. At first she's deeply suspicious of Marigold, but eventually she and May become disturbingly close friends.
• It turns out Chad was not the first. One of Clairemom's previous paramours comes back and challenges Chad to single combat.

(I could keep this up all day.)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: hedgie on 11 Sep 2016, 18:17
• The landlord of Marten's/Faye's/Hanners' apartment building decides to evict them as he's converting the building into condos. After protracted shenanigans, our heroes are allowed to stay, but soon the building is overrun with investment bankers and other rich scum.

Unlikely unless Hannermom allows it.  And as ruthless as she is, things erm… wouldn't be pretty for any landlord who bothered her daughter.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Penquin47 on 11 Sep 2016, 19:46
Dora is such a boring mind.  Coffee is fascinating!

(How do they get it in that nebula?)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 11 Sep 2016, 20:12
Dora is such a boring mind.  Coffee is fascinating!

I have a friend who earned a degree in food science and wanted to become a chef.

Easiest way to ruin that dream? Get them to realise the chemical complexities of flavour and combinations. Sometimes, that level of understanding is just a little too much for something that is meant to be your source of income. For some, its more the passion than the science, where instinct is more intuitive than fact.

Dora is around coffee all day, its her bread and butter so to speak. She probably knows which combination of beans work best, how to roast the beans to bring out the flavour more. Maybe the Blue Mountain blend needs just a little longer getting roasted than the Kenyan. She probably knows which types of coffee works best for a machine and which one works better in a percolator.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Method of Madness on 11 Sep 2016, 21:10
Still not very simple.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Morituri on 11 Sep 2016, 22:04
Local VA starts a veterans survivors support group meeting weekly (Incidentally there's an enormous VA hospital not that far from the real Northhampton that actually does a LOT of this), and Bubbles starts going to it.

Robot fight club gets raided.  Faye and Bubbles are unemployed and, after squirming for a while about possible legal fallout, go legit as robot chassis repair contractors. Corpse Witch is either vindictive and petty, or calculatedly trying to plea bargain as doing volunteer work for hardship cases, but one way or another she ensures that May's parole violation comes to the attention of authorities. 

Momo investigates electric eels' potential as an alternative robot power supply.  Most of the other AI she knows back away from her slowly without making eye contact when they hear about this, and she has no idea what's wrong.

Hitomi - a new character in a KawaiiPC chassis like Momo's old one - gets a job at the library.

Brun becomes frustrated in her job hunt, flings her harpoon at a stop sign, misses it and pierces a police vehicle accidentally, and is so stressed out that she is unable to speak during her arrest and interrogation.  Clinton attempts to intercede on her behalf.

Tortura shows up - only now she's got a student ID in what is probably a fake name, and a visa in the same name, and is determined to study English literature - or maybe that's only how she plans to lay low until the people hunting for her give up.

Agent Turing seeks out Momo to get information about the local AI rights groups.  He's quit the government job and feels that his need for the  pursuit of justice is leading him in other directions.  He is apparently still terrified of Dora, however, and this causes Tai substantial confusion and worry.

Faye's transtemporal dinosaur-shaped coffee roaster appears at a time and place where Emily is the only one who sees it.  She identifies it as a thing that must be fully investigated and understood and takes it home.  Seven weeks later, during a storm, several people report catching glimpses of a giant Kaiju-type thing but nobody can confirm this. North Hampton is plagued with a mysterious torrential rain of coffee.  Mysterious men and women with dark suits, expensive sunglasses and cheap shoes appear and begin following Emily everywhere she goes.  Her mom notices them, and at some point confronts one.  "You guys again?  What did she do this time?"

Pintsize becomes upset because some artist in Boston has salvaged his Butt Rocket and is now passing it off as her own original work of art.  He confronts her, but she's delighted to meet him and wants to team up for their next project - his transformation into a dildo chassis!  It turns out her porn collection is both larger and weirder than his own and she has three exes who are all somewhat traumatized by having known her. Pintsize isn't quite sure how to react.  Will he move away from Marten and go to Boston to be with her?  Or will he call a lawyer to sue her?  Or will he run screaming from the scary woman who is finally into him but who may be too kinky for him?  And now Pintsize has to confront disturbing questions:  Too kinky?! What does that even mean?!  Wait, that would mean I have standards, wouldn't it?  My God, I never would have believed I had standards!  Cue existential identity crisis!

DeathMole videos go viral on youtube; Agents are suddenly offering them stupid money to sign stupid contracts.  The band has serious disagreements about how to respond to all this.  Nigel St. Hubbins shows up to try to sign their drummer, because his more famous band's  more famous drummer recently got hit thirty-seven times by lightning in a freak accident.  But she doesn't want to sign with that band.  They ask him what they should do about their contract situation and he gives them the worst possible advice.  They all agree to throw him out but still don't agree on how to respond.

Wil Wheaton Guest Appearance.






Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: BenRG on 11 Sep 2016, 23:13
Today's strip was odd. I find myself wondering how that conversation with Dora started in the first place. Did she ask? If she did, was it curiosity or was it a follow-up to something Clinton said? It certainly shows how much CoD has changed since Faye left - I couldn't see her letting him just stand there and exposit thus.

That said... yeah, the way that anything resembling linear logic breaks down once you start talking quantum is always a little unsettling. Dora is right to prefer not to think about it and stick to the facts that she does know. Sometimes, the search for knowledge is a double-edged blade, especially if it is impossible to explain the results in a way the layman can understand.

I have to say that I think someone was in a bad mood this morning at CoD. Notice that "anything else" in the coffee list on the blackboard is listed as "don't ask". :-P
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Oenone on 11 Sep 2016, 23:18
Tbh I don't think Faye would've cared enough to ask.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: sitnspin on 11 Sep 2016, 23:24
Dora is, of course, greatly oversimplifying it. Making an excellent cup of coffee is more complex than just beans+water. Sure, that's enough to make the kind of swill Marten will drink, but for a premium cup a lot more goes into it. From the beans you select, to the soil they are grown in, to the way you store them, to the temperature and time you roast them, to the purity and temperature of the water you use, to the cleanliness of the equipment, to the container you serve it in. All those factors and more play a part. Now for most baristas it's more a matter of art and intuition than calculated chemistry, but it is still far from simple.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: ZoeB on 12 Sep 2016, 01:12
The calculated chemistry of determining the shapes of molecules in solution is really, really interesting though.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/275953662_Meta-Genetic_Algorithms_Molecules_and_Supercomputers_Poster


"Molecules can have different shapes, yet the same chemical formula. These shapes – conformers – have different energies. The molecule will tend to adopt the shape with the lowest energy. A molecule's shape determines how it fits with chemical receptors in cells, so determines some of its pharmaceutical properties. So it's really useful to know what that minimum-energy shape is. One problem: a molecule of length 12 has nearly 180,000 possible shapes. To calculate the energy of just one shape takes about an hour on the National Computing Infrastructure. At 20c an hour, that's $90,000. And a molecule of length 14 has over ten times as many... "
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: oddtail on 12 Sep 2016, 02:10
OK, I *so* don't buy today's comic. To the point of being mildly angry.

There's no denying that there are many, many gaps in human knowledge, but technology does not work like that. Nor does science, really. The comparison to using fire only works on the surface. Let me try and explain why.

I can believe that AI could emerge without us really understanding why and how. The thing is, we still don't really know where to look for consciousness and we have only a fairly rudimentary understanding of how brains work. But, this is mainly due to neural patterns being very complex systems. We can't understand the big picture, because there's just so MUCH of it. We still understand a *lot* of the basic building blocks. We know the chemistry of the brain and many details of it. We understand the physics and chemistry behind neurons firing. We may not have mapped out everything that happens and so we do not *understand* some of what is happening, but we understand *what* is happening.

The thing is, with something like a power source, there's no real room for that. Assuming AI use electricity and not some kind of new, incredible energy beyond the understanding of current physics, we understand the building blocks of matter pretty well. We know what electrons do and how they flow, and there's only so many ways you can induce an electric current. If a battery uses a chemical process, we can trace the chemistry back to where the free electrons come from. If there's a physical process, there needs to be some sort of interaction between electromagnetic fields, and again, these may be complex to a person intimidated by physics, but not to someone who studies these things. The science behing electricity sources is more than a century old.

On top of that, engineering usually *follows* theoretical science, not the other way around. Usually the process is well understood way before we can make it viable. The first atomic bomb operated on a fairly simple principle. Take two particles of a certain kind and smash them together. The problem was to get the particles to *do* that, and that cost a lot of time, money and thinking.

There is no conceivable way anything short of an alien technology operating on unknown physics would utilise something not analyse-able. Complex technology can't be done blindly, most of the difficult advances in technology are still ways to do something in a way that works within the material and energy limitations.

If there's an AI that creates something that current physics can't account for? Fine. But that would still not explain how this thing can be manufactured. If there's an AI that can create something, but can't convey the principle to scientists in English (or whatever)? Fine. The AI may be lying about any of the above? Fine. But you don't go and create a piece of efficient technology accidentally. That's certainly not how things work. Our understanding of physics may be limited, but we're not cavemen, and it's usually technology chasing science, not the other way around. And again, power sources are, in principle, simple things. Theoretical complexity is NOT the limiting factor behind limitations on power source capacity. Actual material and chemistry and weight and size constraints are.

On top of that, if an AI created a device that no science can adequately explain, there's ten different reasons why this special device would not be crammed into consumer electronics. If it truly operates on some principles indistinguishable from magic, they might explode and create a gateway to another dimension, for what we know. Or give people cancers. Or steal souls. Or whatever. If we rule out those possibilities with a high degree of confidence, then we OBVIOUSLY know, at least roughly, what the device does. And that takes us back to actual electromagnetic fields, which again, interact in well-understood ways.

And on top of *that*, if there was a device that only some select AI understood, or perhaps do not understand as well, its existence would have a much, much bigger impact on science and technology and pretty much everything. Starting with the Industrial Revolution, the only limiting factor on what we can globally do has been pretty much the level of available energy. Look at how difficult space exploration is just because we can't get around the very simple problem of fuel. If what is essentially a magic box of energy existed, that'd change a *lot*, in many respects. I know QC has some suspension-of-disbelief-stretching elements, but a special super-power-cell based on, for all intents and purposes, magic is what breaks my suspension of disbelief where Pintsize and May did not.

Oh, and regarding the coffee example - we may not be able to trace every, well, trace element in coffee that contributes to flavour, but that's a matter of practicality. We still know what the main contributions to the taste and scent are (that's pretty much how we can make artificial flavourings of just about anything), and we understand the chemistry of ingredients such as caffeine on the human body pretty well, too. Not knowing every single component in a brewed coffee is nowhere near the same ballpark as "we have a power cell and have no idea how it works". I'd buy a power cell that has some weird side effects that are difficult to map, but not this. And the comic says the AI do not *know* how the technology works, not that there are some fiddly, not well-understood bits. Again, you can't create a device by accident, unless your setting incorporates mad science (which is for all intents and purposes a form of magic).

There's, of course, also the possibility that Clinton just has limited knowledge about the subject or is exaggerating. I see no other explanation that hold much water. That, or I have to accept the poetic license of the world, which I'm prepared to do, but the comic that tries to be exposition-y and creates more issues than it solves kinda leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: BenRG on 12 Sep 2016, 02:46
I think that you're missing the point here, Oddtail. What Jeph seems to be doing is explicitly invoking Clarke's Law. This is technology but, functionally, it's magic and can do whatever the author wants it to do whenever he wants it.

He's justifying this in-universe by having Clinton explain that the QCverse's tech base is on an exponential upward curve where new materials and technologies are being exploited before the theoretical underpinnings have even been fully explored, let alone understood. Basically: "Ooh! Shiny! Let's sell it!"
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: oddtail on 12 Sep 2016, 02:53
The problem is, I see very little evidence of this rapid progress in the comic's setting, and the existence of a magic power source is a bit too much to me, personally. Yes, even compared to sapient AIs. I think actually having magic in-universe would be less upsetting to me.

The thing is, it's not just that the world has technology that the real world does not. The world literally operates differently than real life does, in terms of how science and technology changes. A world without the... shall we say, "usual" way new technology is introduced would have a cascade of profound consequences that are difficult to dismiss. That makes a world that seems to be identical to early 21st century Earth in pretty much all practical respects difficult to believe.

I'm fine with a world that is not that internally consistent and adds elements that do not necessarily mesh together for the sake of the story or just because it's fun. I did survive reading the "Harry Potter" books ;). But if a world is not particularly logical, I think it's a bad idea to intentionally draw attention to it and try to handwave it in the way that today's comic does.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: BenRG on 12 Sep 2016, 03:26
The problem is, I see very little evidence of this rapid progress in the comic's setting,

Orbital pizza delivery, rocket boots and time-travelling espresso machines are examples that jump to mind. The reason we don't see more über-tech is because, literally, things are moving too quickly. Only maverick and borderline-crazy geniuses like Raven and Dr Ellicott-Chatham are even approaching the right mindset to exploit some of these technologies. Additionally, humans are essentially conservative in nature and reluctant to let things change too much unless the advertising campaign is really slick (see the history of the Apple iPad, iPhone and iPod for more details). So long as the new tech remains a 'black box' hidden from most people, there would be few visible changes.

Also, don't forget that Jeph has to continue to make the setting comprehensible to his readers. IRL, the sort of developments hinted at in various QC strips would lead to epochal-level changes in human society. However, Jeph doesn't want to waste too much time explaining why everyone has rocket boots and has coffee miraculously teleported to them from the future by their Espressosaur.

Why is Jeph reminding us of this now? I've got a feeling that he's setting the scene for some AI-involved and narrative-critical leap of technology that needs to receive an advance disclaimer. Like what? Given the direction last week's strips went and the fact that Bubbles can't respond in a human-like way when she's being tickled, maybe there is about to be an all-AI Firmware upgrade that will have consequences.

[Edit]
It's also worth remembering the time-frame we're talking about here. From various things Hannelore said, this sudden runaway technology curve is something like ten years old at the most. There is some indication that AI civil rights have been broadly implemented for the first time during the in-universe time frame of the strip (likely less than three years). There may not have been enough time for broader applications of some of these developments.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: brasca on 12 Sep 2016, 03:39
Today's strip was odd. I find myself wondering how that conversation with Dora started in the first place. Did she ask? If she did, was it curiosity or was it a follow-up to something Clinton said? It certainly shows how much CoD has changed since Faye left - I couldn't see her letting him just stand there and exposit thus.

Maybe it started with a question regarding the need to have one of those cardboard sleeves on cups that make it possible to hold hot liquids.  Clinton then stated that while his hand is sensitive it can automatically adjust to hold a cup that would normally be too hot for a normal hand to handle and the conversation just went from there.  I'm actually surprised that the the subject of coffee development has never come up with Hannelore. 
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: oddtail on 12 Sep 2016, 03:48
BenRG: You make some good points, I guess I can sort of see new developments in technology being in the background... I still wonder, if technology can be implemented this easily and with basically no oversight, how does the QC-verse work otherwise? Do people still need driving licences? Are they allowed to carry firearms everywhere, with no limitations? Are some pharmacological substances controlled? If the world of QC is similar to ours in those and similar respects, I am... not really sure why. If you can carry things like artificial arms powered by space technology batteries, that implies that people in the QC-universe (not filthy rich people either, just regular people) have ready access to space technology. I can't imagine that not turning the world into either a post-scarcity utopia or a scary dystopia. Oh well.

On top of that, that has the side consequence that I can sort of understand the anti-AI prejudice... does it even qualify as prejudice? Since AIs (presumably) do not recharge their energy sources once per hour, and a single hand has the power source recharging timeline like a typical smartphone, that means AIs walk around with internal energy sources that might as well be large bombs, energy output-wise. I guess if real life had robots that, for all I know, may malfunction and leave a crater the size of a building, I'd be less worried about their citizen rights and more about the ramifications of *that*. I don't think it's prejudice, anymore, to be all "I'm surrounded by technology that I have no idea how it works and what it might do". Technology causes enough problems when it's based on *known* principles... EDIT: also, we've seen that at least some AI bodies are fairly easy to damage. So there's actual possibility of an AI being, say, hit by a car and destroying a nearby building or something, and since nobody knows how they are powered, including the AIs themselves, nobody knows what that may or may not lead to. After all, a complex power source that works "just because" would be impossible to reliably maintain, repair or monitor for signs of wear.

Granted, I'm probably overanalysing the comic, and many things that've happened in the comic before were probably ripe for such overanalysis... but this is the first time in recent memory where instead of leaving things unexplained, the comic puts the stuff I consider problematic on full display. It's one thing to have AI whose inner workings are vaguely hinted at and there might be some (unknown to the reader) reasons why things are the way they are, and another to explain a robotic hand that seems to be a fairly accessible thing in-universe, but raises the question as to why the world is not all space-y and such.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: JimC on 12 Sep 2016, 03:48
On top of that, if an AI created a device that no science can adequately explain, there's ten different reasons why this special device would not be crammed into consumer electronics.

Not quite convinced, consider the work that's been done on genetic algorithms and evolved circuits - eg Thompson http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.50.9691&rep=rep1&type=pdf .  There's a possible line of development there.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: ysth on 12 Sep 2016, 07:00
No WTF Macchiato?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: jheartney on 12 Sep 2016, 07:24
I have to accept the poetic license of the world, which I'm prepared to do, but the comic that tries to be exposition-y and creates more issues than it solves kinda leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Yeah, I tried to say something similar a few days ago and nobody much liked that either. It's a bit of a failure of world-building, with the caveat that Jeph is obviously more interested in funny storylines than in world-building. If the storylines are funny enough, we don't care about how unlikely they are.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Jakk Frost on 12 Sep 2016, 07:52
Honestly, I think the issue is that we understand how a lot of these things work, we just don't understand why they work.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: jwhouk on 12 Sep 2016, 09:25
Re: that last one on morituri's list - already been done.

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Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Skewbrow on 12 Sep 2016, 11:27
On top of that, if an AI created a device that no science can adequately explain, there's ten different reasons why this special device would not be crammed into consumer electronics.

Not quite convinced, consider the work that's been done on genetic algorithms and evolved circuits - eg Thompson http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.50.9691&rep=rep1&type=pdf .  There's a possible line of development there.

Thanks for the link, JimC! Good reading!

My former coworkers at Nokia told me that story. When they reached the punchline in the end, and told the bit about how removing totally disconnect parts of the circuitry made it malfunction, I recall being impressed at first and a bit skeptical later. After all, it would have been very much in character for them trying to put a fast one by a math guy largely ignorant about EE. Not unlike other rookie tricks: "remember to lube the muffler bearings" or "you go fetch the keys to the trebuchet shooting range".
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: St.Clair on 12 Sep 2016, 13:17
I just want to point out that we, in real life, can also create consciousness without knowing how it works.  It usually takes about nine months, followed by a decade or two of training the resulting neural net to full personhood.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Kugai on 12 Sep 2016, 14:20
The hand of power :-D

Coffee comes directly from the Gods - it's that simple.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: hedgie on 12 Sep 2016, 14:57
Quote
"It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shakes, the shakes become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion."

Mentat fuel that stuff is.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Akima on 12 Sep 2016, 15:26
I don't think it's prejudice, anymore, to be all "I'm surrounded by technology that I have no idea how it works and what it might do".
Since we are all surrounded by people of whom it is equally true that we don't know how they work, and what they might do, I think it would qualify as prejudice if we applied different standards to AI sentient beings.

The issue of battery-safety is a real one though, and has come up with proposed technologies (sodium sulphur batteries (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium–sulfur_battery), for example) in our world. However, it's important not to apply different, neophobic standards to new technologies from those we apply to ones we live with every day. I'm pretty sure that if someone proposed today a transport technology involving motor-cars driving around under unreliable guidance, with a tankful of highly inflammable, and in some circumstances explosive, liquid fuel, we would declare it too unsafe to be allowed.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Tova on 12 Sep 2016, 16:13
If you think worldbuilding is more important than story, then maybe QC is not the comic for you.

But with regards to this particular story, of the existence of a battery technology in the QCverse which is not fully understood - for all the words written to attack this idea, I have to say that my impression was that this kind of thing surely does occur. Off the top of my head, I don't think that the mechanism of asprin was perfectly understood when it was first produced. Maybe someone knows better than me?

So, I decided to ask the All Knowing Oracle, and amusingly enough, found this recent article.

Researchers Might Have Accidentally Made Batteries Last 400 Times Longer (http://www.popsci.com.au/science/energy/researchers-might-have-accidentally-made-batteries-last-400-times-longer,418483)

In particular:

Quote
Instead of lithium, researchers at UC Irvine have used gold nanowires to store electricity, and have found that their system is able to far outlast traditional lithium battery construction. The Irvine team's system cycled through 200,000 recharges without significant corrosion or decline.

However, they don't exactly know why. The original idea of the experiment was to make a solid-state battery: one that uses an electrolyte gel, rather than liquid, to help hold charge. Liquid batteries, like the common lithium variety, are extremely combustible and sensitive to temperature. The Irvine team was experimenting by substituting a much thicker gel.

"We started to cycle the devices, and then realized that they weren't going to die," said Reginald Penner, a lead author of the paper. "We don't understand the mechanism of that yet."

To switch tracks, there is a particularly awesome film called Primer which is about a couple of inventors who accidentally invent time travel. They invent it and start to exploit it, but it certainly could not be said that they fully understood it before they built it. They didn't even know what they'd invented at first.

This is not some kind of artistic-license bullshit. History abounds with accidental inventions. Penicillin being the most famous example. Primer, for mine, is actually the most immersive and realistic-feeling depiction of time-travel invention that I've ever seen.

... engineering usually *follows* theoretical science, not the other way around. Usually the process is well understood way before we can make it viable. The first atomic bomb operated on a fairly simple principle. Take two particles of a certain kind and smash them together. The problem was to get the particles to *do* that, and that cost a lot of time, money and thinking.

Usually, yes. In that example, sure.

But - critically - not always.

To cut a long story short (too late), Jeph's scenario is not nearly as outrageous as you are trying to make out.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: oddtail on 12 Sep 2016, 16:28
I don't think it's prejudice, anymore, to be all "I'm surrounded by technology that I have no idea how it works and what it might do".
Since we are all surrounded by people of whom it is equally true that we don't know how they work, and what they might do, I think it would qualify as prejudice if we applied different standards to AI sentient beings.

The issue of battery-safety is a real one though, and has come up with proposed technologies (sodium sulphur batteries (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium–sulfur_battery), for example) in our world. However, it's important not to apply different, neophobic standards to new technologies from those we apply to ones we live with every day. I'm pretty sure that if someone proposed today a transport technology involving motor-cars driving around under unreliable guidance, with a tankful of highly inflammable, and in some circumstances explosive, liquid fuel, we would declare it too unsafe to be allowed.

But the comic explicitly stated that it's not just potentially unsafe batteries. It's batteries that no-one actually has any idea how they operate. This has no parallel in the real world. It's not neophobic to be worried about untested technology of unproven safety. In a world with safety belts in cars, with emission limits on factories and with strict limits on how much radiation and in what way one may receive during a medical procedure, something no-one actually knows the mechanics of would never be something most people would be comfortable around, and rightly so. It's not about the risk, it's about the unknown.

Regarding the prejudice thing, if AI in QC-verse are discriminated against based on unfair assumptions as to what they might do, it's prejudice. If there's something inherently worrying about the way their power sources operate or might operate, and someone stays away from them based on that, I don't see how that is prejudice. The closest real-life parallel would be staying away from a person who behaves erratically, or from a person who seems to have some sort of visible "mysterious" sickness. Real-life people may do all sorts of things, but they do not tend to literally explode, which might happen to an AI (note: not necessarily literally explode, I mean it as a catch-all term for something happening that is unsafe and can't be easily predicted or prevented). But if a person, for any physical or behavioural reason, gave other people an idea that they are a complete wildcard and something might happen completely unexpectedly that involves them, avoiding that person would not be something I think of as prejudice.

And I completely disagree with the "we don't know how people work" argument. I may not know what a specific person may do, they may do all sorts of random stuff, but general patterns of human behaviour are pretty clear in most situations. Granted, AI in QC behave in a similarly predictable way, because they for the most part seem to behave like humans, but again - if they existed in real life, I'd be more worried about the physical threat their bodies may be posing, regardless of the AI's actual intent.

To put it another way, one may chuckle at the "untested particle accelerators strapped to our backs" line from the original Ghostbusters movie. But if in real life, a large number of people walked around with those strapped to them, staying clear from people equipped with a potentially dangerous "magical" technology would not be presumptuous, it would be reasonable. And if AIs are powered by something that works in an unexplained way, they are pretty much that.

Even ignoring the more sci-fi flavour of AI from QC... realistically, a wide adoption of an unverified and unsafe technology would be difficult to accept. To give one example, cars, including their engines, have to meet certain, fairly strict, safety standards. A technology that is neither regulated nor well researched could not possibly be certified to be safe. I don't think it would be either easy to implement, or to make people agree with, a car that does not meet the usual standards, or a car based on a possibly unreliable technology. I see AIs as similar, not because they are AI, but because they apparently need to be powered by something that is not reasonably guaranteed to be safe.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: jheartney on 12 Sep 2016, 16:55
I'm reasonably sure that before gold nanowire batteries start appearing in consumer devices, there will be lots and lots of safety testing, not to mention vigorous investigation of what the mechanism of their longevity is. Too many class-liability lawyers waiting to pounce for it to be any other way.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: jheartney on 12 Sep 2016, 16:57
If you think worldbuilding is more important than story, then maybe QC is not the comic for you.

Note the rest of my comment: "with the caveat that Jeph is obviously more interested in funny storylines than in world-building. If the storylines are funny enough, we don't care about how unlikely they are."
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 12 Sep 2016, 17:16
Over analyzing is a fun game.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Tova on 12 Sep 2016, 17:16
Of course, a fictional depiction of a commercialised invention that is not perfectly safe would be completely unbelieveable.  :roll:
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: bhtooefr on 12 Sep 2016, 19:26
There certainly aren't batteries that catch fire in our own timeline, no sir (http://www.cpsc.gov/Newsroom/Press-Statements/Press-Statement-from-the-US-Consumer-Product-Safety-Commission-Regarding-the-Samsung-Galaxy-Note7/).
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: jwhouk on 12 Sep 2016, 19:58
Over analyzing is a fun game.

Over analyzing is what we do here. :D
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: SubaruStephen on 12 Sep 2016, 19:58
There's a battery that's lasted over a century and a half and nobody's really sure how it's managed to do that.


https://youtu.be/UtQGYz4f3YQ
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 12 Sep 2016, 20:12
It is time! To talk about Edison's alkaline storage battery? Which nobody really understands?
No!
It's time to start a Kickstarter! So Jeph can afford a new supply of Khaki pigment so that May is
not embarrassed to appear in public!
(did I just use 'May' and 'embarrassed' in the same sentence?)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Tova on 12 Sep 2016, 21:07
Over-analysis aside (has anyone analysed our tendency to over-analyse yet?), if some aspect of the story breaks your willing suspension of disbelief, I guess there are no words that are ever going to change that.

On the other hand, it doesn't really need to be justified either. Trying to rationalise it is merely inviting debate. "That broke my suspension of disbelief" would have done. But, I suppose, where is the fun in that?  :mrgreen:

While I'm here:

If you think worldbuilding is more important than story, then maybe QC is not the comic for you.

Note the rest of my comment: "with the caveat that Jeph is obviously more interested in funny storylines than in world-building. If the storylines are funny enough, we don't care about how unlikely they are."

That comment wasn't aimed at you, obviously. It was more of a general remark/observation.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Gyrre on 12 Sep 2016, 21:37
I chose the Deathmøle option because, if Marten's story is to progress, Deathmøle is the most obvious vehicle.

Query: What if the keyboardist also happens to turn into a vehicle?

[deposits one G2 Jazz action figure in the pun jar]
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: BenRG on 12 Sep 2016, 23:27
If Jeph isn't just pulling our legs and Claire is on her fifth Mocha, then I strongly suspect that she's going to have visibly blurred edges and betalkingextraquicklyandinahigher-pitchevoice right now.

It's interesting that Clinton specifically says that Claire has a hard time differentiating 'helping' from 'manipulating'. One can't help but wonder how long this has been the case and why it came about. More fall-out from the example in life given to them by their absentee father? Was he manipulative and accidentally gave young Claire the idea that this was the way to work with people?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: wlewisiii on 12 Sep 2016, 23:38
Possible.

Or, perhaps, it's the opposite? Perhaps their father had no kind of hands on in their home life? This might, then, give her the idea that interfering might be the path to making things better despite how often it fails?

Claire is a difficult character for people other than the author to deal with. Frankly we are best served by letting that author to do so.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Tova on 13 Sep 2016, 00:21
If Jeph isn't just pulling our legs and Claire is on her fifth Mocha, then I strongly suspect that she's going to have visibly blurred edges and betalkingextraquicklyandinahigher-pitchevoice right now.

From only five cups of coffee? Five cups is not that excessive.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Zebediah on 13 Sep 2016, 03:33
It's interesting that Clinton specifically says that Claire has a hard time differentiating 'helping' from 'manipulating'. One can't help but wonder how long this has been the case and why it came about. More fall-out from the example in life given to them by their absentee father? Was he manipulative and accidentally gave young Claire the idea that this was the way to work with people?

Claire clearly got her manipulative tendencies from her mother, a.k.a. Ms. "Let's invite this boy my daughter likes over for breakfast without warning her."
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: brasca on 13 Sep 2016, 04:05
If Jeph isn't just pulling our legs and Claire is on her fifth Mocha, then I strongly suspect that she's going to have visibly blurred edges and betalkingextraquicklyandinahigher-pitchevoice right now.

From only five cups of coffee? Five cups is not that excessive.

Not entirely sure since cappuccino is as exotic as I've been with my coffee consumption and it also depends on the blend.  I had one cup of a Sumatran blend that allowed me to bend time once. 
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Oenone on 13 Sep 2016, 04:28
If Jeph isn't just pulling our legs and Claire is on her fifth Mocha, then I strongly suspect that she's going to have visibly blurred edges and betalkingextraquicklyandinahigher-pitchevoice right now.

From only five cups of coffee? Five cups is not that excessive.

Not entirely sure since cappuccino is as exotic as I've been with my coffee consumption and it also depends on the blend.  I had one cup of a Sumatran blend that allowed me to bend time once. 

Sumatran, huh? I guess that's another one of those beautiful mysteries we are comfortable selling but will never truly understand. ;)

Time and good coffee are truly incomprehensible in their grandeur and grace.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 13 Sep 2016, 06:25
If Jeph isn't just pulling our legs and Claire is on her fifth Mocha, then I strongly suspect that she's going to have visibly blurred edges and betalkingextraquicklyandinahigher-pitchevoice right now.

From only five cups of coffee? Five cups is not that excessive.

It depends on the time frame and octane of the shots she's getting. And any tolerance that she's built up.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: celticgeek on 13 Sep 2016, 08:45
High Octane Coffee (http://www.deathwishcoffee.com/)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 13 Sep 2016, 08:48
Zombie Monkey wants your coffee!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Method of Madness on 13 Sep 2016, 09:30
Five mochas is anywhere from 10-20 shots of espresso (probably ten), but also holy shit that's a lot of sugar.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: sitnspin on 13 Sep 2016, 09:42
Well made coffee needs no sugar. I'll take the straight espresso, please.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Method of Madness on 13 Sep 2016, 11:30
As would I.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: sitnspin on 13 Sep 2016, 12:52
10-20 espresso shots sounds wonderful, to be honest.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Tova on 13 Sep 2016, 14:08
I do appreciate all the comments rightly pointing out that any side-effects would depend on her tolerance, strength of the coffee, etc.

But really, blurry vision is a pretty severe side effect. Are we speculating that she's likely to have drunk enough to induce hypoglycemia or something? And the idea of the pitch and pace of your voice increasing due to caffee is news to me. But I assume the comment was made for comedy only.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: War Sparrow on 13 Sep 2016, 14:10
10-20 espresso shots sounds wonderful, to be honest.

Well, that's it, everyone. We have found Saint Drogo(Droga?)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Tova on 13 Sep 2016, 14:13
10-20 espresso shots sounds wonderful, to be honest.

Sounds scary to me. :o

I forgot one thing... I don't think mochas are necessarily two shots? Depends on where they're made I guess.

I drank mochas when I started drinking coffee... once I'd progressed to espresso, I had a mocha again for the heck of it, and it seemed very weak. Again, that might be down to the place that made it.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: BenRG on 13 Sep 2016, 14:19
But really, blurry vision is a pretty severe side effect.

It isn't her vision that's blurred; it's ours because she's vibrating at a high enough frequency.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Tova on 13 Sep 2016, 14:33
Oh, nicely done.  :lol:
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Zebediah on 13 Sep 2016, 15:23
Yeah, remember Emily's reaction to her first espresso?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Kugai on 13 Sep 2016, 16:17
Clare will now be awake for the rest of the week
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: osaka on 13 Sep 2016, 17:55
Or she will crash in about 2 and a half hours and sleep for like 20 hours.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Method of Madness on 13 Sep 2016, 18:18
I once got an iced drink with 12 shots of espresso (I had a free drink) and the barista was worried (she'd never made one with more than eight). I drank it, went back during lunch for an iced tea, since...well, I was thirsty. I thought maybe they'd given me half decaf or something, but she seemed genuinely surprised I hadn't completely crashed, so apparently not!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: sitnspin on 13 Sep 2016, 19:18
But really, blurry vision is a pretty severe side effect.

It isn't her vision that's blurred; it's ours because she's vibrating at a high enough frequency.
(http://steelwhitetable.org/media/images/chocolate-frosted-sugar-bombs-calvin-hobbes-3.gif)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: hedgie on 13 Sep 2016, 21:55
I once got an iced drink with 12 shots of espresso (I had a free drink) and the barista was worried (she'd never made one with more than eight). I drank it, went back during lunch for an iced tea, since...well, I was thirsty. I thought maybe they'd given me half decaf or something, but she seemed genuinely surprised I hadn't completely crashed, so apparently not!

My first job had an "off-menu" drink called "the heart-stopper".  We made it by sticking espresso shots in a part of the fridge where the water would freeze at the top and we could concentrate them further.  A 16 oz cup had about 14 oz of this concentrated expresso, 2 oz of cream, and a dash of sugary flavour.  For most of the time I had worked there, there was only one regular who I'd even serve them to.  Then one day, I was dumb enough to say what it was to someone I knew.  I broke down and served him after a week of begging and cajoling.  He didn't sleep for two days, and his girlfriend said that he had *ahem* problems because of it.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Tova on 13 Sep 2016, 22:06
Interestingly, the whole idea of sugar causing hyperactivity in children is contested these days. Not that excessive sugar is good for you, by any means.

CPMIC: yay for sharing expository context

Typo: keeping it
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Penquin47 on 13 Sep 2016, 22:36
Fairy Girl!  Emily sees Fairy Girl!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Channelore HellicottAtham on 13 Sep 2016, 23:08
Clin-ton's hand! He forgot Clin-ton's hand!!!  :psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: BenRG on 13 Sep 2016, 23:12
I think that Dora has the right angle for living with Emily in her life - Don't expect her to conform to 'adult' stereotypes and accept that there is and always will be a part of her that is childlike and innocent. Don't criticise it; rather embrace and celebrate it.

As I suspected, Emily literally didn't understand the implications of telling Clinton that she was 'too busy' to date. I'm not even sure she fully understood the implications of dating for that matter. Still, she has Fairy Girl to stalk and that is much more fun!

Now, is it me or is Jeph engaging in a little self-mockery when he has Emily say that Clinton has been doing a lot of 'expository content'?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: ZoeB on 13 Sep 2016, 23:19
On top of that, if an AI created a device that no science can adequately explain, there's ten different reasons why this special device would not be crammed into consumer electronics.

Not quite convinced, consider the work that's been done on genetic algorithms and evolved circuits - eg Thompson http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.50.9691&rep=rep1&type=pdf .  There's a possible line of development there.

Thanks for the link, JimC! Good reading!

My former coworkers at Nokia told me that story. When they reached the punchline in the end, and told the bit about how removing totally disconnect parts of the circuitry made it malfunction, I recall being impressed at first and a bit skeptical later. After all, it would have been very much in character for them trying to put a fast one by a math guy largely ignorant about EE. Not unlike other rookie tricks: "remember to lube the muffler bearings" or "you go fetch the keys to the trebuchet shooting range".

See also http://mitpress.mit.edu/sites/default/files/titles/alife/0262290758chap70.pdf
 Using Meta-Genetic Algorithms to tune parameters of Genetic Algorithms to find lowest energy Molecular Conformers
ZE Brain, MA Addicoat 
Proceedings of the 12th International Conference on the Synthesis and Simulation of Living Systems

I'd given the simplified poster for a lay audience unfamiliar with the problem domain before.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/275953662_Meta-Genetic_Algorithms_Molecules_and_Supercomputers_Poster
Meta-Genetic Algorithms, Molecules, and Supercomputers
MA Addicoat, ZE Brain
Poster, SC10 Conference on High Performance Computing, Networking, Storage and Analysis

My PhD topic.

Genetic and Evolutionary algorithms have already been used in such areas as antenna and rocket nozzle design, where theory is still imprecise.

As long as we can determine that solution A is better than solution B, and there's a way of encoding  A and B that has a close mapping to them during evolutionary generation of solutions, we really don't need to know exactly why they work, we can optimise anyway. Knowing what the optimum is then gives us clues into the mechanisms involved.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: gpvos on 13 Sep 2016, 23:37
"Expository context"? Is Emily aware that she is in a comic or something?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: BenRG on 13 Sep 2016, 23:50
If any character could see through the Fourth Wall as if it were a plate glass window, it would be Emily. She has the potential to be Questionable Content's Pinkie Pie.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Tova on 14 Sep 2016, 00:15
It's a type of medium awareness (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MediumAwareness).

Warning: yes, you guessed it, it's TV tropes. I hope you have self control or lots of time.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Phaedrus_schmaedrus on 14 Sep 2016, 00:31
someone may have made this observation already, but emily and raven are very similar. both appear "ditzy" (is that the right word?), but have hidden depths (even if raven never got the explicit character development emily did)--and for bonus points, they're both prodigies (raven made the dino-chino machine vanish into the quantum ether; emily accidentally opened a portal to hell with her computer)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: mad hands murphy on 14 Sep 2016, 01:16
Do it Quentin

Climb the Asian giant
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: bhtooefr on 14 Sep 2016, 01:17
emily accidentally opened a portal to hell with her computer
New headcanon: The Phobos Anomaly is Emily's fault.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Akima on 14 Sep 2016, 02:07
So... We're Doomed?

Emily seems taller than ever.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: brasca on 14 Sep 2016, 03:47
Or she will crash in about 2 and a half hours and sleep for like 20 hours.

Hopefully her nanotech will still be with her when she awakens.

Fairy Girl!  Emily sees Fairy Girl!


At least she's handling this better than Faye's Pizza Girl obsession. 
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Method of Madness on 14 Sep 2016, 06:53
I once got an iced drink with 12 shots of espresso (I had a free drink) and the barista was worried (she'd never made one with more than eight). I drank it, went back during lunch for an iced tea, since...well, I was thirsty. I thought maybe they'd given me half decaf or something, but she seemed genuinely surprised I hadn't completely crashed, so apparently not!

My first job had an "off-menu" drink called "the heart-stopper".  We made it by sticking espresso shots in a part of the fridge where the water would freeze at the top and we could concentrate them further.  A 16 oz cup had about 14 oz of this concentrated expresso, 2 oz of cream, and a dash of sugary flavour.  For most of the time I had worked there, there was only one regular who I'd even serve them to.  Then one day, I was dumb enough to say what it was to someone I knew.  I broke down and served him after a week of begging and cajoling.  He didn't sleep for two days, and his girlfriend said that he had *ahem* problems because of it.
Would I have been able to order it without the cream and sugar?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: sitnspin on 14 Sep 2016, 07:57
My first job had an "off-menu" drink called "the heart-stopper".  We made it by sticking espresso shots in a part of the fridge where the water would freeze at the top and we could concentrate them further.  A 16 oz cup had about 14 oz of this concentrated expresso, 2 oz of cream, and a dash of sugary flavour.  For most of the time I had worked there, there was only one regular who I'd even serve them to.  Then one day, I was dumb enough to say what it was to someone I knew.  I broke down and served him after a week of begging and cajoling.  He didn't sleep for two days, and his girlfriend said that he had *ahem* problems because of it.

Take the sugar, cream, and flavouring out of it, and that sounds amazing. Concentrated espresso is a brilliant idea. I am surprised and annoyed that in all my time as a coffee afficianado, including my time as a barista, I had not thought to try that. This must be corrected.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: hedgie on 14 Sep 2016, 08:56
Would I have been able to order it without the cream and sugar?

If we allowed one to order it, yeah.  Unfortunately, the place used fairly bad beans, so even for someone like me, it made it more palatable.

Take the sugar, cream, and flavouring out of it, and that sounds amazing. Concentrated espresso is a brilliant idea. I am surprised and annoyed that in all my time as a coffee afficianado, including my time as a barista, I had not thought to try that. This must be corrected.

Basically the same idea as freeze-distillation.  Stuff was pure rocket fuel.  Sometimes the only "flavouring" I used was Rumpelminz or some other type of peppermint schnapps.  Well, not for customers, obviously.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: comicalArchitect on 14 Sep 2016, 08:58
emily accidentally opened a portal to hell with her computer
New headcanon: The Phobos Anomaly is Emily's fault.
New headcanon: Emily is Garry.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Morituri on 14 Sep 2016, 09:39
Weeelll, if you're really into it, my wife gets this stuff.

https://www.amazon.com/Bizzy-Cold-Brew-Coffee-Concentrate/dp/B01D91MADQ/ref=sr_1_2_a_it

It's about 3000mg caffeine per bottle, so slamming the entire bottle at once is not recommended. Its intended use is for adding water to make 24 cups of (fairly strong) coffee, but she takes it neat in a 2-ounce shot glass with her breakfast. And then chases it with an ounce of lemon juice. 

I don't drink her coffee; she doesn't eat my ghost peppers.  Fair's fair.

It's reputed to be very good coffee, when diluted to regular coffee strength.  As a non-coffee drinker, I wouldn't know.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 14 Sep 2016, 12:03
Do it Quentin

Climb the Asian giant

Yeah.. I'm guessing this was meant as a joke, but I feel it's kind of problematic in language and implication. Identifying Emily as 'The Asian'... she's more than just her ethnic background. And marking her as something to be conquered.. yeah, not good. No idea where you are getting 'Quentin' from. At a guess it's some reference that I'm just not getting to something else. But that doesn't make it any less squicky.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: osaka on 14 Sep 2016, 12:06
However, I'm pretty sure Emily would be pleased with the idea of literally climbing on top of her. Like, to her shoulders, to sit there or something.

I don't know, it just seems like she would.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: sitnspin on 14 Sep 2016, 12:57
Has Emily grown? She's always been tall, but I don't remember her being that much taller than Dora.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: osaka on 14 Sep 2016, 13:24
Huh, I thought she was canonically taller than Sven at like 6'4". Maybe I'm just imagining things.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Kugai on 14 Sep 2016, 13:40
Emily is like a Cat - she is as tall as she needs to be as the moment requires.

I wonder if she sees her a third time a wish will be granted.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: hedgie on 14 Sep 2016, 13:43
1.  Cats are a liquid, and can take any shape that their container does.
2.  The fairy girl doesn't grant wishes, she plays pranks (her own words…  unless that was one of the pranks)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Method of Madness on 14 Sep 2016, 13:48
Do it Quentin

Climb the Asian giant
Global Moderator Comment This is both shipping and moderately racist. In other words...no.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Mr_Rose on 14 Sep 2016, 14:05
Also, who the hell is "Quentin?"
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Kugai on 14 Sep 2016, 14:07
I think he meant Clinton.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Thrillho on 14 Sep 2016, 14:22
Take the sugar, cream, and flavouring out of it, and that sounds amazing. Concentrated espresso is a brilliant idea. I am surprised and annoyed that in all my time as a coffee afficianado, including my time as a barista, I had not thought to try that. This must be corrected.

I literally found too much coffee to have a larger immediate affect than some class A narcotics. Less of a comedown, mind  :psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: sitnspin on 14 Sep 2016, 14:40
Take the sugar, cream, and flavouring out of it, and that sounds amazing. Concentrated espresso is a brilliant idea. I am surprised and annoyed that in all my time as a coffee afficianado, including my time as a barista, I had not thought to try that. This must be corrected.

I literally found too much coffee to have a larger immediate affect than some class A narcotics. Less of a comedown, mind  :psyduck:
This is not dissuading me from my point. I'm a fan of both.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Thrillho on 14 Sep 2016, 15:05
Take the sugar, cream, and flavouring out of it, and that sounds amazing. Concentrated espresso is a brilliant idea. I am surprised and annoyed that in all my time as a coffee afficianado, including my time as a barista, I had not thought to try that. This must be corrected.

I literally found too much coffee to have a larger immediate affect than some class A narcotics. Less of a comedown, mind  :psyduck:
This is not dissuading me from my point. I'm a fan of both.

Not dissuading anything, you're just the only person I know could weigh in on my point.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: SubaruStephen on 14 Sep 2016, 16:21
If a Deerstalker is what you wear when tracking deer, is Emily wearing a Fairystalker?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: MrNumbers on 14 Sep 2016, 16:24
If any character could see through the Fourth Wall as if it were a plate glass window, it would be Emily. She has the potential to be Questionable Content's Pinkie Pie.

Who would win in a Zen-off, Marten or Big Mac? Claire and Twilight are off in a corner discussing library sciences while Applejack and Faye drink hard cider and arm wrestle.

... SkullLord and the CMC should never meet.

Fuck I keep trying not to drag pony into things but then I see prompts like this and my brain goes all technicolour.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 14 Sep 2016, 18:47
While some people try to think outside the box, Emily thinks outside the Solar System.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: ysth on 14 Sep 2016, 19:40
No WTF Macchiato?

All better, thanks Jeph!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Method of Madness on 14 Sep 2016, 21:14
In fact, we're often told the exact opposite is true!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Timemaster on 14 Sep 2016, 22:26
Ohmygosh, this is really true? Women appreciate guys who show their feelings? I´m having a personal epiphany here.
I´ve been doing something wrong my whole life!
  :wink:

Emily looks really big in yesterdays comic. Maybe she´s wearing heels? Or she´s on the tip of her toes in panel two, because in the last panel she has shrunk to her normal size, compared to Dora.
If she was able to look though the fourth wall, I wouldn´t be surprised. As long as she doesn´t turn into QC´s Deadpool....  :-D

TM
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: hedgie on 14 Sep 2016, 22:36
My archive-fu is failing me, but IIRC, Emily's attitude towards heels is "never again".
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: BenRG on 14 Sep 2016, 23:07
It says sad things about Claire and Clinton's relationship to date that he's expecting his sister's first reaction to be a tidal-wave of ironic abuse. Admittedly, Claire has given him reason to expect it. I'm glad that she's growing out of it and, for that matter, the Clinton is growing up too.

Well, I did say some time ago that Clinton's gender role models were probably pretty bad. No, according to orthodox social rules, males are not allowed to have any emotion except righteous anger. I've always found that ridiculous but I imagine that someone who wasn't raised by their mother in a single-parent family probably has a much harder time resisting that social programming than I ever did.

My archive-fu is failing me, but IIRC, Emily's attitude towards heels is "never again".

For some reason, I've always imagined that Emily's only experience with heels was falling off of them. She has further to fall, after all!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Nepiophage on 14 Sep 2016, 23:32
Emily said "Never again."
http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2570
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: brasca on 15 Sep 2016, 02:03
It says sad things about Claire and Clinton's relationship to date that he's expecting his sister's first reaction to be a tidal-wave of ironic abuse. Admittedly, Claire has given him reason to expect it. I'm glad that she's growing out of it and, for that matter, the Clinton is growing up too.

Well, I did say some time ago that Clinton's gender role models were probably pretty bad. No, according to orthodox social rules, males are not allowed to have any emotion except righteous anger. I've always found that ridiculous but I imagine that someone who wasn't raised by their mother in a single-parent family probably has a much harder time resisting that social programming than I ever did.

My archive-fu is failing me, but IIRC, Emily's attitude towards heels is "never again".

For some reason, I've always imagined that Emily's only experience with heels was falling off of them. She has further to fall, after all!

They have a tendency to snipe at each other which we've known ever since we found out that Claire and Clinton were siblings.  The greatest example was the party at Emily's beach house.  Claire may be refraining from this since she realizes it's immature, but Clinton still expects it since its been their routine much of their lives.  It's all quite realistic and they have a healthier relationship than Dora and Sven. 
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Gyrre on 15 Sep 2016, 04:21
Pintsize becomes upset because some artist in Boston has salvaged his Butt Rocket and is now passing it off as her own original work of art.  He confronts her, but she's delighted to meet him and wants to team up for their next project - his transformation into a dildo chassis!  It turns out her porn collection is both larger and weirder than his own and she has three exes who are all somewhat traumatized by having known her.
She has a friend named Marcie who claims to have worked for a mysterious "Department of Irradiation", and owns an assortment of strange 'peripherals' for online interaction with her long distance boyfriend.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Gyrre on 15 Sep 2016, 05:14
On top of that, if an AI created a device that no science can adequately explain, there's ten different reasons why this special device would not be crammed into consumer electronics.
Not quite convinced, consider the work that's been done on genetic algorithms and evolved circuits - eg Thompson http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.50.9691&rep=rep1&type=pdf .  There's a possible line of development there.

Hell, just look at how pharmaceuticals are released in our own world. Then there's the long-term ramifications of GMOs (some will be fine, others are more worrisome). Then there's the laws that get past.
"LOL, what are long term effects? I just want reelected and to find my golden meal-ticket."- some Congressman probably

Granted, I'd wager that the QCverse must have better politician. Either that or certain key families from our universe never came to power there, thus making things substantially better. Either way, I'm curious as to what sort of alternate history the QCverse clearly must have.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Thrudd on 15 Sep 2016, 06:04
While some people try to think outside the box, Emily thinks outside the Solar System.
No no, you are still thinking Euclidean Space.

Her thoughts are more exotic in that
 
(click to show/hide)
:-D
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: freeman on 15 Sep 2016, 07:00
Quote
Nobody explains this to guys!

Wait, who explained this to Claire?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: BenRG on 15 Sep 2016, 07:28
Quote
Nobody explains this to guys!

Wait, who explained this to Claire?

That's the big advantage women have over men - emotional openness is encouraged and considered a positive personal trait. So she would have literally absorbed it almost by behavioural osmosis from her various role models.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Stoutfellow on 15 Sep 2016, 14:52
But during Claire's formative years, she would have been perceived, and presumably treated, as if she were male. When would she have received the cultural conditioning that a perceived-female does?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Kugai on 15 Sep 2016, 15:42
Her mother?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Welu on 15 Sep 2016, 15:43
It's only Clinton who said he wasn't taught this stuff. Claire hasn't she was or wasn't either. It's likely that a lot of same information was there for both of them, being siblings in the same household only a couple years apart in age, but they absorbed it in different amounts and ways because of their individual personalities.

Besides it's not like there's an actual book all DFAB people get handed at some point about emotions and communication. That would be amazing and I wish I would have gotten my copy.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Tova on 15 Sep 2016, 16:36
Quote
Nobody explains this to guys!

A friend of mine went through a phase, shortly after realising this, where he would unburden himself every time he met an attractive female. It earned him quite a fair bit of positive attention.

He was being a bit Sven-like, and my attitude towards it was (come to think of it) a bit Dora-like.

Funny that I hadn't made that connection until just now.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 15 Sep 2016, 17:22
On top of that, if an AI created a device that no science can adequately explain, there's ten different reasons why this special device would not be crammed into consumer electronics.
Not quite convinced, consider the work that's been done on genetic algorithms and evolved circuits - eg Thompson http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.50.9691&rep=rep1&type=pdf .  There's a possible line of development there.

Hell, just look at how pharmaceuticals are released in our own world. Then there's the long-term ramifications of GMOs (some will be fine, others are more worrisome). Then there's the laws that get past.
"LOL, what are long term effects? I just want reelected and to find my golden meal-ticket."- some Congressman probably

Granted, I'd wager that the QCverse must have better politician. Either that or certain key families from our universe never came to power there, thus making things substantially better. Either way, I'm curious as to what sort of alternate history the QCverse clearly must have.

There is a very old thread with a title something like "How did the QC universe get so different from ours?". It had some creative suggestions.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: ZoeB on 15 Sep 2016, 17:57
But during Claire's formative years, she would have been perceived, and presumably treated, as if she were male. When would she have received the cultural conditioning that a perceived-female does?

It's not just cultural, we think.

Quote:

Boys and girls behave in different ways and one of the stereotypical behavioral differences between them, that has often been said to be forced upon them by upbringing and social environment, is their behavior in play. Boys prefer to play with cars and balls, whereas girls prefer dolls. This sex difference in toy preference is present very early in life (3–8 months of age) . The idea that it is not society that forces these choices upon children but a sex difference in the early development of their brains and behavior is also supported by monkey behavioral studies. Alexander and Hines, who offered dolls, toy cars and balls to green Vervet monkeys found the female monkeys consistently chose the dolls and examined these ano-genitally, whereas the male monkeys were more interested in playing with the toy cars and with the ball....
--
Sexual Hormones and the Brain: An Essential Alliance for Sexual Identity and Sexual Orientation Garcia-Falgueras A, Swaab DF Endocr Dev. 2010;17:22-35


Biased-Interaction Theory of Psychosexual Development: “How Does One Know if One is Male or Female?” M.Diamond Sex Roles (2006) 55:589–600
    A theory of gender development is presented that incorporates early biological factors that organize predispositions in temperament and attitudes. With activation of these factors a person interacts in society and comes to identify as male or female. The predispositions establish preferences and aversions the growing child compares with those of others. All individuals compare themselves with others deciding who they are like (same) and with whom are they different. These experiences and interpretations can then be said to determine how one comes to identify as male or female, man or woman. In retrospect, one can say the person has a gendered brain since it is the brain that structures the individual’s basic personality; first with inherent tendencies then with interactions coming from experience.

Which can be a real bummer if you identify as one sex, but have the superficial appearance of the other. It confuses others, even if it doesn't confuse you as much.

In short - Claire may have looked superficially male at one point in her life. But she was never a boy, and she always saw the world "through female eyes" so to speak. Possibly more so than most women, as there are so many barriers to transition that she'd have to be unusually discomfitted by her situation so that she was forced to do something about it. Although she's mostly healed from that now, remember she was guzzling Ativan at one stage. Being Trans hurts, though YMMV and early intervention can prevent much of that. Being treated as Trans in this society hurts more. In the QCverse, hopefully not quite so much.

Just remember that although the "gendered brain" model is appropriate to use when discussing gender identity, don't take it too far, most of what we call gender, and by that I mean 80% or more, is socially constructed. Biology is fuzzy too, my neurology is masculinised in a classic CAH female pattern (see below) yet I identify as female because the parts of my brain influencing gender identity (and much else) is definitely F. Treat people as individuals, not stereotypes.

“Prenatal hormones versus postnatal socialization by parents as determinants of male-typical toy play in girls with congenital adrenal hyperplasia” Pasterski VL, Geffner ME, Brain C, Hindmarsh P, Brook C, Hines M Child Dev 76(1):264-78 2005
    Data show that increased male-typical toy play by girls with CAH cannot be explained by parental encouragement of male-typical toy play. Although parents encourage sex-appropriate behavior, their encouragement appears to be insufficient to override the interest of girls with CAH in cross-sexed toys.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Stoutfellow on 15 Sep 2016, 18:18
I bow to your expertise. Thank you.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Morituri on 15 Sep 2016, 20:43
I think brains are as gendered as bodies (which is to say, yes there's a few differences and some of them are important, but mostly we can do the same day-to-day things).

As a general strategy, however, it's fairly useless to try to understand women. 

Instead, for most purposes it's far better to concentrate on a simpler problem with a smaller scope; understanding the woman (or man) whom you are interacting with.   Generalities are interesting, but specifics are vital.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Tova on 15 Sep 2016, 21:14
BLEMINDA RETURNS (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3126)

And she still likes large lattes.

I had never heard the term meet-cute before recently, and now I discover that it's quite an old expression. Huh.

Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Near Lurker on 15 Sep 2016, 21:22
Why are macchiatos so expensive?  Isn't that just a wicked dry cappuccino?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Tova on 15 Sep 2016, 21:38
A macchiato is an espresso with a smear of milk. No idea why it would be so expensive. Nor why there would be more than one size. Customers shouldn't ask about espresso at all, apparently.  :-o
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Penquin47 on 15 Sep 2016, 21:44
I want to watch the romantic comedies Emily watches.  They sound fun.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: brasca on 15 Sep 2016, 22:32
BLEMINDA RETURNS (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3126)

And she still likes large lattes.


Is that the Bleminda from the past strip or the actual Bleminda that Emily might have mistaken her for? 

Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: ZoeB on 15 Sep 2016, 22:51
I bow to your expertise. Thank you.

I should be thanking you for asking such a perceptive question. One deserving of a reply at length.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: ZoeB on 15 Sep 2016, 22:55
I think brains are as gendered as bodies (which is to say, yes there's a few differences and some of them are important, but mostly we can do the same day-to-day things).

As a general strategy, however, it's fairly useless to try to understand women. 

Instead, for most purposes it's far better to concentrate on a simpler problem with a smaller scope; understanding the woman (or man) whom you are interacting with.   Generalities are interesting, but specifics are vital.

I wish I'd said that. +1 Insightful, and may I please steal your first line for future use (with attribution)?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Storel on 15 Sep 2016, 23:04
BLEMINDA RETURNS (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3126)

And she still likes large lattes.


Is that the Bleminda from the past strip or the actual Bleminda that Emily might have mistaken her for?

I don't think there was ever an actual Bleminda. Emily seems to have made up the name as part of her training to sass the customers (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3113).
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Squiddlywinx on 15 Sep 2016, 23:28
BLEMINDA RETURNS (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3126)

And she still likes large lattes.


Is that the Bleminda from the past strip or the actual Bleminda that Emily might have mistaken her for?

I don't think there was ever an actual Bleminda. Emily seems to have made up the name as part of her training to sass the customers (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3113).

I might be wrong but she looks like she's spent a bit of time in the sun. Her skin's a bit darker and her hair just has that bleached quality.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: BenRG on 15 Sep 2016, 23:29
Once again, we are reminded that Emily exists in a unique world not entirely like that experienced by anyone else. I'm not even going to bother to ask how a grizzly murder could be part of a 'meet-cute' because I suspect that my brain wouldn't be able to follow Emily's chain of reasoning. However, I can only assume that, if she writes fan-fiction, anything she posts under a 'romance' tag ends up being flagged to the moderators fairly quickly.

Now... Is Jeph confirming to us that Emily is still interested in Clinton and doesn't understand that she's been giving him 'no thanks' coded signals? I've been wondering that for a while now.

Meanwhile, Bleminda has started to forget that this isn't her name due to positive feedback (good coffee).


[EDIT]
Too early in the morning; had to correct several errors
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: brasca on 15 Sep 2016, 23:37
Once again, we are reminded that Emily exists in a unique world not entirely like that experienced by anyone else. I'm not even going to bother how a grizzly murder could be part of a 'meet-cute'. However, I can only assume that, if she writes fan-fiction, anything she posts under a 'romance' tag ends up being flagged to the moderators fairly quickly.

Now... Is Jeph confirming to us that Emily is still interested in Clinton and doesn't understand that she's been giving him 'no thanks' coded signals? I've been wondering that for a while now.

Meanwhile, Bleminda has started to forget that this isn't her name due to positive feedback (good coffee)/

It reminds me of that episode of The Office where Dwight recalls the time he mistakenly saw Wedding Crashers instead of Grizzly Man, but stayed to the very end because bears are unpredictable and could attack at any time. 
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Tova on 15 Sep 2016, 23:39
I know someone who has a "coffee name." Whenever she orders a coffee, she gives her exotic coffee name instead of her real one. I always thought that was a neat idea, but it can kind of backfire if you're with someone who knows you but isn't in on this.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: sitnspin on 16 Sep 2016, 00:32
I, for one, would enjoy a rom-com centered around grizzly murders. Horror romantic comedy is an underused genre.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: pwhodges on 16 Sep 2016, 00:40
The anime Elfen Lied pushes those buttons (I'd suggest School Days, but really only the last episode qualifies).
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Tova on 16 Sep 2016, 00:56
Hmmmm... American Werewolf in London? :)

"Well, it's a marvelous night for a moondance
With the stars up above in your eyes"
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: sitnspin on 16 Sep 2016, 01:33
I'm imagining a Tucker & Dale type comedy of errors mixed with a lesbian rom-com.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Akima on 16 Sep 2016, 02:42
"So many problems could be avoided if people just said what they were feeling." That's a dangerous path, Emily.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Welu on 16 Sep 2016, 02:58
So many problems could be avoided and replaced with other different problems.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Tova on 16 Sep 2016, 03:33
So many problems could be avoided and replaced with other different problems.

Pretty much every one of my life's achievements have been this.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Zebediah on 16 Sep 2016, 03:36
Romantic comedies with body counts: There's Heathers, and, um...  :?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: BenRG on 16 Sep 2016, 03:39
Scott Pilgrim vs. The World had the potential to go there but didn't.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: sitnspin on 16 Sep 2016, 03:41
A lot of problems could be avoided by keeping your mouth shut. Too.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: MrNumbers on 16 Sep 2016, 04:53
A lot of problems could be avoided by keeping your mouth shut. Too.

Serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
Courage to change the things I can,
And wisdom to know the difference.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Kiloku on 16 Sep 2016, 05:38
BLEMINDA RETURNS (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3126)

And she still likes large lattes.


Is that the Bleminda from the past strip or the actual Bleminda that Emily might have mistaken her for?

I'd say she's the same Bleminda, and it's just become an inside joke/nickname (assuming she's a regular who's been there more times than we've seen)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 16 Sep 2016, 06:35
Well, Emily is running register today. That's who normally takes a person's name. I wouldn't put it past her to just call everyone Bleminda.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: osaka on 16 Sep 2016, 06:41
I know someone who has a "coffee name." Whenever she orders a coffee, she gives her exotic coffee name instead of her real one. I always thought that was a neat idea, but it can kind of backfire if you're with someone who knows you but isn't in on this.

My sister, real name undisclosed but will say that it comes from the literary work of Antonio Machado, always responds to "Ana" in coffe shops / Starbucks. She tried using her real name once and it took longer to get the person in the counter to understand the name than to get the coffee done.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: JimC on 16 Sep 2016, 07:00
...give an ordinary name instead of my (unusual) real one to avoid confusion
One takeaway shop I worked in did none of these things, instead we put a description in the order book and worked from that. It was a distinct art! We didn't normally let on to customers that was how we worked. It was more normal round where we were in those days to hand out tickets with numbers on, and every now and then someone might ask if we were going to give them a number. Very often we'd oblige , and write down the number in the book along with the usual description. So the customer would be sitting there seeing all the other orders handed out without any apparent identification, and then when we got to them we'd call out the number without having done it for anyone else...
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 16 Sep 2016, 11:17
For an incisive critique of research on intrinsic sex differences in behavior, by someone with a ZoeB-grade mind, see
https://www.amazon.com/Brain-Storm-Flaws-Science-Differences/dp/0674063511/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1474049641&sr=8-1&keywords=brain+storm+the+flaws+in+the+science+of+sex+differences
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Morituri on 16 Sep 2016, 11:18
I think brains are as gendered as bodies (which is to say, yes there's a few differences and some of them are important, but mostly we can do the same day-to-day things).

As a general strategy, however, it's fairly useless to try to understand women. 

Instead, for most purposes it's far better to concentrate on a simpler problem with a smaller scope; understanding the woman (or man) whom you are interacting with.   Generalities are interesting, but specifics are vital.

I wish I'd said that. +1 Insightful, and may I please steal your first line for future use (with attribution)?

Go ahead.  As I've said before, that's just my opinion but you can use it too if you like.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Morituri on 16 Sep 2016, 11:34
Once again, we are reminded that Emily exists in a unique world not entirely like that experienced by anyone else. I'm not even going to bother to ask how a grizzly murder could be part of a 'meet-cute' because I suspect that my brain wouldn't be able to follow Emily's chain of reasoning.

I don't think I've ever seen a rom-com with poachers as the protagonists, but I that seems perfectly reasonable to me given the premise.  "Hey!  You shot the bear I'd been tracking for three days, you asshole!  That was mine!"  And then hijinks ensue, culminating in the pair of them running from the park rangers and police, having to check into hotels as husband and wife to escape notice, etc. 

Or you could cast it differently, where one of the protagonists is a park ranger who has the assignment to kill a grizzly that's attacked several people, and the other is an idealistic picketer under a "Don't Murder The Bear!!" sign. 

But I don't think either of those would have anything to do with the movie Emily was looking at.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Method of Madness on 16 Sep 2016, 11:45
Romantic comedies with body counts: There's Heathers, and, um...  :?
Shaun of the Dead? And I disagree with Benergy, Scott Pilgrim absolutely had a body count.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Storel on 16 Sep 2016, 12:22
Begin Edit:
Romantic comedies with body counts: There's Heathers, and, um...  :?

Maybe Ferris Bueller's Day Off, if you count the Porsche as a death?  :wink:
End Edit.

Scott Pilgrim vs. The World had the potential to go there but didn't.

Haven't seen Scott Pilgrim, so was this

Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: willpell on 16 Sep 2016, 12:29
"Expository context"? Is Emily aware that she is in a comic or something?

Presumably she's just one of those people who lives her life as if she was the star of her own story (whether comic, movie, or whatever medium she prefers to imagine herself in).  Being raised in an incubator of pop culture as we are, that sort of behavior is only going to keep becoming more and more common; I don't find it an unrealistic character trait for someone  (particularly a "the weird one" someone) in a near-future-setting webcomic to possess.

Ohmygosh, this is really true? Women appreciate guys who show their feelings? I´m having a personal epiphany here.
I´ve been doing something wrong my whole life!
  :wink:

I for one do not believe for a moment that a guy who went around telling complete strangers "I'm really depressed, I don't think there's any purpose to my life, and frankly the behavior of everyone around me is getting on my last nerve" would be "appreciated".  I'm distinctly unhappy with Jeph for that line, although I do like where the Coffee of Doom girls took it in the subsequent strip (shorter romantic comedies would certainly be a boon, IMO).
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: BenRG on 16 Sep 2016, 13:07
Scott Pilgrim vs. The World had the potential to go there but didn't.

Haven't seen Scott Pilgrim, so was this
  • because it wasn't romantic enough, or
  • because no one died?

IMHO, it wasn't a romantic comedy at all but a rather surreal slapstick parody.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: sitnspin on 16 Sep 2016, 13:18
Scott Pilgrim vs. The World had the potential to go there but didn't.

Haven't seen Scott Pilgrim, so was this
  • because it wasn't romantic enough, or
  • because no one died?

IMHO, it wasn't a romantic comedy at all but a rather surreal slapstick parody.
I recommend the comic series, the movie didn't do it justice at all. The comic series is a lot more nuanced with a lot more character development and deeper themes. The film is an incredibly shallow and pale shadow of the source material.

That aside, the film is not a romantic comedy in any traditional sense, even if has some of the thematic elements, and, although a number of people die, it is done in a cartoonish, classic videogames style. Not at all what I am imagining in regards to the idea we're discussing.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Method of Madness on 16 Sep 2016, 14:01
I still hold that it fits both criteria. But even if it doesn't, Shaun of the Dead absolutely does.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: sitnspin on 16 Sep 2016, 14:37
Shaun definitely counts as a horror rom-com. But sadly there's no grizzly murder meet cute.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Storel on 16 Sep 2016, 15:16
Shaun definitely counts as a horror rom-com. But sadly there's no grizzly murder meet cute.

And no grisly (http://www.dictionary.com/browse/grisly) murder meet-cute, either?  8-)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Kugai on 16 Sep 2016, 15:28
Zombie Rom-Com

Let's see Hollywood run with that  :-D




Emily, don't ever change   :)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Welu on 16 Sep 2016, 15:41
Warm Bodies and Life After Beth already exist. I have seen Warm Bodiesand it's got a murdery meet-cute with the zombie boy killing and eating the brains of the human girl's killed boyfriend... That the zombie boy killed after being attacked by the boyfriend.

Those are also both human/zombie romance. I don't know if a zombie/zombie romance exists.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: DSL on 16 Sep 2016, 18:27
Grosse Pointe Blank. Hit-man meets girl he dumped in high school, Hit-man decides not to kill her dad as he's been paid to do. Everyone else, though ...
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Gyrre on 17 Sep 2016, 06:29
In Emily's defense, some romcoms have some pretty messed up stuff in them.

Standard example: 'There's Something About Mary' where the plot of the movie revolves arund three guys stalking Cameron Diaz's character.

Cracked.com has multiple videos and articles on why romantic comedies are bad (they've got a youtube channel).
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 17 Sep 2016, 07:37
Stalkers eventually winding up with the girl is the main plot of a lot of romantic comedies....
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: sitnspin on 17 Sep 2016, 08:10
Which, as someone who has actually been stalked, I find more than a little disturbing. It kind of goes to show who is writing them.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Mr_Rose on 17 Sep 2016, 13:20
Grosse Pointe Blank. Hit-man meets girl he dumped in high school, Hit-man decides not to kill her dad as he's been paid to do. Everyone else, though ...
Doesn't he go to their high school reunion and tell more or less everyone he meets (and doesn't immediately have a gun battle with) that he is in fact a hitman? Like every scene here there isn't shooting, explosions, or both goes "hi, we were in shop together, I'm an engineer now, what's up with you?" "Not much really, just a mercenary assassin."
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: sitnspin on 17 Sep 2016, 16:11
Yea, but everyone assumes it's a joke and just plays along with it.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 17 Sep 2016, 17:14
Reading the Menu Board:

Small, Medium, Large Extra Large, and What the Fluff

'Large Extra Large' is a combo of 'Large' and 'Extra Large' because they got tired of explaining the difference.

The WTF Macchiato is a work of art in steamed milk, and definitely worth the price.
Expect it to take a while, though.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 17 Sep 2016, 17:49
New post because it's for Bleminda watchers everywhere:

'Bleminda' appears in 3113, 3126, and 3310. She wears square frame glasses, has shoulder length hair which she dyes in multi colors, and orders large lattes. In 3126 she protests at the Emily bestowed alias, but by 3310 she seems OK with it.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: cesium133 on 17 Sep 2016, 17:58
This reminded me to finally get around to updating my character list thingamabob (http://cesiumcomics.com/qctags/?tag=bleminda)...
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Tova on 17 Sep 2016, 20:16
Bleminda revealed (https://twitter.com/SamMaggs/status/776634027679715329)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: ZoeB on 17 Sep 2016, 22:40
For an incisive critique of research on intrinsic sex differences in behavior, by someone with a ZoeB-grade mind, see
https://www.amazon.com/Brain-Storm-Flaws-Science-Differences/dp/0674063511/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1474049641&sr=8-1&keywords=brain+storm+the+flaws+in+the+science+of+sex+differences

A little dated, but that's inevitable given the fast pace of research. Excellent critique of the situation using psychological tests on cis people pre 2011. Ignores Intersex and Animal studies though, but that's necessary to support her overall thesis, one I mostly agree with because that's what the evidence says.

This book explains in detail why I wrote "Just remember that although the "gendered brain" model is appropriate to use when discussing gender identity, don't take it too far, most of what we call gender, and by that I mean 80% or more, is socially constructed. Biology is fuzzy too"

It goes a little further than I would have, but does an excellent job of showing the uncertainties involved when we ignore animal research and only look at cisgender humans, rather than trans and intersex ones too. Most of the traditional "gender differences" disappear when you look closely, or at least are shown to have a very thin evidential basis.

Sorry, it's not simple.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Method of Madness on 17 Sep 2016, 22:47
Just how big IS the what the fuck size?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: BenRG on 17 Sep 2016, 23:37
Let's put it this way: Have you ever seen a family-size popcorn bucket? Another name for the WTF size is "To the Moooooonnn!!!"
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 18 Sep 2016, 06:28
Bleminda revealed (https://twitter.com/SamMaggs/status/776634027679715329)

Well that explains the Bioware hoodies.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: JohnTheWysard on 18 Sep 2016, 14:17
I'm chuckling at the price list. I see why they price macchiatos so high - because what Charbuck's calls a macchiato has no resemblance to the real thing (a double expresso "marked" - macchiato - with a tablespoon of foam).

But I resent not being able to even ASK for a doppio with two extra shots, my usual choice! Hey folks, it's EASY!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: cesium133 on 18 Sep 2016, 14:27
Careful. If you ask for an expresso, Dora includes Exlax as an ingredient.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: sitnspin on 18 Sep 2016, 22:32
As a business woman, if there's a particular item you don't want to actually make, just price it out of reach. I did that a few years ago with some art pieces at a gallery showing I had. Didn't work in my case, but the principle is there.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Near Lurker on 18 Sep 2016, 22:43
Just remember, Faye, you live at 123 Lawyer St., Lawyer, MA, with Marten Lawyer.  You used to work for Coffee of Lawyer, for Marten's ex, Lawyer, who's now seeing a female lawyerbrarian, until your lawyer problem got you fired and admitted to Lawyer-Dickinson.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Tova on 18 Sep 2016, 22:53
Why do people keep claiming that a macchiato contains two shots of espresso? I mean, it is if you ask for a double shot, sure.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: jheartney on 18 Sep 2016, 23:04
If you've never seen this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE), it's well worth your time. A law professor tells you why you should NEVER EVER voluntarily talk to police without a lawyer present.

Faye should just keep walking. And if the officer arrests her, she should say NOTHING till she gets an attorney.

And this would be true even if she didn't work for an illegal enterprise.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Method of Madness on 19 Sep 2016, 07:26
Why do people keep claiming that a macchiato contains two shots of espresso? I mean, it is if you ask for a double shot, sure.

Agreed. A proper one has at least four.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3306 - 3310 (12th to 16th September 2016)
Post by: Tova on 29 Oct 2016, 00:23
You people are nuts.  :laugh: