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Title: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: BenRG on 04 Dec 2016, 14:16
Well, Jeph certainly left us with a big cliffie on Friday! So, what do you think will happen this week? Personally, I'm thinking that Corpse Witch (who, after all, is less likely to be hurt than Faye) will try to psych Faye out with indirect threats towards her friends and associates. Maybe she'll even try to use that to gain leverage on her. How Bubbles reacts to that will be the key to what happens next.

Meanwhile, given Jeph's general dislike for darkness, I can't help but think that things may yet become comedic to the end of the week. Is Hannelore a secret investor (via her mother's lawyers) and sorts everything out in her... unique way?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: SomeCanadianWeirdo on 04 Dec 2016, 19:03
CW is actually Hank the Dismemberer. 
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 04 Dec 2016, 19:22
(https://nhbrackets.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/clubber-lang-pain.png?w=470)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Tova on 04 Dec 2016, 19:31
Rocks fall, everyone dies.

Not really, but I've seen the next strip on Patreon. So.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: jheartney on 04 Dec 2016, 20:06
If it were me I'd just cut to Marten's apartment with Faye, Bubbles and May talking about what to do next, with the assumption that Faye was fired/quit, Bubbles quit, and May still has no idea if she's going back to Robot Jail.

They all decide to drop a dime on CW and call Basilisk, but find out she's actually just an intern with a toy badge.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: SomeCanadianWeirdo on 04 Dec 2016, 21:01
Well, Faye is now jobless.  I suspect Bubbles will stay for now, not because she likes CW, but because she figures she's the only one who can protect the other AIs there from her.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 04 Dec 2016, 21:06
Well I guess we should have seen that coming.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 04 Dec 2016, 21:17
Have we ever seen that expression on Faye's face before?

She's afraid of what Bubbles is going to do next.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Gyrre on 04 Dec 2016, 21:21
Have we ever seen that expression on Faye's face before?

She's afraid of what Bubbles is going to do next.
I don't believe we have.

Damn do they both look pained.
Bubble's face is the picture perfect example of someone stuck in an abusive relationship.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Tova on 04 Dec 2016, 21:21
Well I guess we should have seen that coming.

It was only one of several possible outcomes that we absolutely did see coming. But it wasn't inevitable.

Have we ever seen that expression on Faye's face before?

She's afraid of what Bubbles is going to do next.

She's afraid that she's just lost a friend.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Mr. Doctor on 04 Dec 2016, 21:39
Aye, this to me was the most probable outcome. Getting fired was obvious as CW can replace Faye in the future and both CW and Faye would lose a lot if Faye spoke so there is no risk she will open her mouth about her former workplace.

Bubbles response was a bit harder for me to guess though!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 04 Dec 2016, 21:47
It's a plausible reading that Bubbles has turned her back on Faye and that Bubble's expression says "You're nothing to me, squishy", with Faye reacting with fear of abandonment. Faye's emotional background predisposes her to that.

On the other hand, I think Bubbles is now facing Corpse Witch, and I would not be comfortable having Bubbles looking at me that way.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: jheartney on 04 Dec 2016, 22:08
It's possible CW has a hold over Bubbles we don't know about. If you remember the crack about Bubbles losing her chassis, it could be CW could get Bubbles de-chassised in some way. Or there might have been legal consequences to the way Bubbles left the service. Or perhaps something more sinister.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Clubman8 on 04 Dec 2016, 22:31
The decision to punch CW was so rash it needs ointment.

In other words it was incredibly stupid. Bubbles is right not to have immediately gone with Faye. I only say immediately in case Jeph pulls a fast one tomorrow and they both tell CW to piss off, hope that doesn't happen though.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Fen on 04 Dec 2016, 22:42
Faye just can't catch a break :(
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Dust on 04 Dec 2016, 22:49
The decision to punch CW was so rash it needs ointment.

In other words it was incredibly stupid. Bubbles is right not to have immediately gone with Faye. I only say immediately in case Jeph pulls a fast one tomorrow and they both tell CW to piss off, hope that doesn't happen though.

Inclined to agree. CW gave a reasonable-ish warning last time they brought her in, and stepped it up after they caused a cop to sniff around because May wanted a new paint-job on the cheap... sorry, "came for help". I can't remember if AI logic/bottom-line thinking is different to humans in-canon, but a crooked business is still a business.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: BenRG on 04 Dec 2016, 23:34
Wow! Corpse Witch's chassis must be very lightly constructed to have deformed that badly!

There's not much to add to the debate about Bubbles' reaction that hasn't been said except this: The familiar is very reassuring and very tempting. This is especially the case if it is a refuge against a world that's not really welcoming (either overtly or simply due to your own personal issues - Bubbles has experienced both). Bubbles has been... hiding at the skate park for a long time, I think. She's been hiding there so long that I suspect she has a hard time imagining being comfortable and safe anywhere else. She now has to balance just what various things in her life mean to her and it is not a decision that she could make quickly or easily.

I will also add that we need to remember that Bubbles seems to be a pacifist (based on her view of 'violence' as a thing, as expressed when she and Faye were watching a fight). She might have been upset by Faye using violence.

The decision to punch CW was so rash it needs ointment.

What makes you think that it was a 'decision'?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: NyxDarkness on 05 Dec 2016, 00:01
I really don't know what is going to happen next, but that face kills me... :(
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: pwhodges on 05 Dec 2016, 00:24
Wow! Corpse Witch's chassis must be very lightly constructed to have deformed that badly!

Pintsize dents that easily, and is a military chassis.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: BenRG on 05 Dec 2016, 00:27
How do I think this will work out?

I think that Jeph is going to have two strips with Faye and Corpse Witch making their cases (with a huge side-order of threats and innuendo on CW's part - She may also try to frighten Faye off with a few revelations about Bubbles' less-salubrious past). Then, after Bubbles (or possibly May, just to shake things up) summing up on Thursday, we'll have Bubbles making her own points about what she wants (as opposed to what Faye and Corpse Witch want) on Friday. The decision will be next Monday.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: gopher on 05 Dec 2016, 01:06
About time Faye's violent outbursts cost her.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Skewbrow on 05 Dec 2016, 01:08
Trying to understand what's going on in Bubbles' mind. I think that, first and foremost, she is driven by loyalty:

Torn between conflicting senses of loyalty leaves Bubbles in a very bad place. I am not sure how well she can handle this situation.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: riccostar on 05 Dec 2016, 01:22
Your avatar is working incredibly well with that post~~
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Method of Madness on 05 Dec 2016, 04:12
I wonder if Faye is going to seek out a certain raccoon.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: ankhtahr on 05 Dec 2016, 04:20
I feel like it's a very important aspect, that Faye has encouraged Bubbles to think on her own lately. Bubbles came from the military to working under a bossy, manipulative, smug leader of an underground fighting ring. Then Faye shows her, that she can have friends of her own, that she can be in control herself. Faye seems to be the first real friend, who doesn't just use her.

Only to outright tell her what to do in this situation. Maybe Bubbles would have left with Faye, if she had left that decision up to her.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: BenRG on 05 Dec 2016, 04:25
Faye didn't tell Bubbles 'what to do', even by implication. She just assumed that Bubbles would naturally come with her (in her usual pushy way) and let her know that Faye had a plan to help her manage outside of the Skate Park. Of course, as I point out in my previous posts about today's strip, it isn't that easy for Bubbles. It will be interesting to see if the comforting familiarity of her hiding place or her friendship with Faye wins out.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: brasca on 05 Dec 2016, 05:22
About time Faye's violent outbursts cost her.

Indeed.  Moreover, she didn't take into consideration that Bubbles might not be as willing to leave even if CW isn't extorting her to work there.  She still has a lot of issues to work through and she might fear having another episode of someone saying something that causes her to storm off and take out her fury on the nearest punching bag.  The only problem is Faye and Marten's apartment isn't big enough to accommodate such a meltdown.  Bubbles has made progress and in time she could've left with her, but Faye acted prematurely and is now jobless again, but also put Bubbles on the spot. 
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: islan on 05 Dec 2016, 05:28
I had to register on the forums just to voice my frustrations.

Screw you, Faye.

Forcing Bubbles to choose between her friendship and her job on the spot like that?  Absolutely awful of her.  If she wants to quit that's her business, but to not just put her on the spot, but assume that of her?  You're an awful friend.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: jacoposki on 05 Dec 2016, 05:36
I had to register on the forums just to voice my frustrations.

Screw you, Faye.

Forcing Bubbles to choose between her friendship and her job on the spot like that?  Absolutely awful of her.  If she wants to quit that's her business, but to not just put her on the spot, but assume that of her?  You're an awful friend.

oh thank god i'm not alone.

That was an incredibly stupid move by Faye. CW is unlikable, but she handled the situation right, whereas she could have done things with bad outcomes for the others. I suspect Bubbles knows this. Faye will have to realize that soon. But I don't think she'll ever be able to fix the mess she put herself in (again). I just hope someone will be there to take away the bottle again.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Method of Madness on 05 Dec 2016, 05:54
About time Faye's violent outbursts cost her.
Ok, while it's true that Faye jumps to violence too fast and too often, and it was unwise, I still object to this. This isn't her punching someone for something minor, Corpse Witch directly threatened to have her friend tortured.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Dr. ROFLPWN on 05 Dec 2016, 06:10
well Faye needs a new job again

how long did she last at this one?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: JimC on 05 Dec 2016, 06:13
Forcing Bubbles to choose between her friendship and her job on the spot like that?  Absolutely awful of her. 
Its probably not just her job too. I'm sure she'll feel she has a responsibility to all the other AIs at the site.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: jheartney on 05 Dec 2016, 06:16
Second job in a row that Faye's burned her bridges at. Might be problems coming up with a third. Has Faye been attending the therapy group? As a friend in recovery noted, drinking is less an illness than a symptom of an illness: the underlying emotional problems are what leads to drinking. Faye doesn't seem to have dealt with whatever made her drink.

Speaking of which, Faye's now in bad danger of a relapse, particularly if Bubbles doesn't leave with her.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Roxtar on 05 Dec 2016, 06:24
I think it makes sense that bubbles would want to stay... at least for now. she's not exactly the most employable of AIs in the civilian sector.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: islan on 05 Dec 2016, 06:28
CW is unlikable, but she handled the situation right, whereas she could have done things with bad outcomes for the others.

I think Faye did right when she punched CW.  Where she did wrong was try to shove the cost of that action on to Bubbles.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Zebediah on 05 Dec 2016, 07:34
I just read today's xkcd and found it oddly relevant to what Bubbles must be thinking right now.

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Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Eversist on 05 Dec 2016, 07:39
How do I think this will work out?

I think that Jeph is going to have two strips with Faye and Corpse Witch making their cases (with a huge side-order of threats and innuendo on CW's part - She may also try to frighten Faye off with a few revelations about Bubbles' less-salubrious past). Then, after Bubbles (or possibly May, just to shake things up) summing up on Thursday, we'll have Bubbles making her own points about what she wants (as opposed to what Faye and Corpse Witch want) on Friday. The decision will be next Monday.

While that would be slightly therapeutic and help us understand characters' thought processes, I think it might be too easy and would answer some questions too quickly.

My guess is that Bubbles helps CW up... or I think it's possible that Faye storms out, with May trailing behind saying "That was awesome!" or something even less tactful, not giving the situation the needed gravitas... something along those lines. Hah.

Bubbles will become another plot thread we follow. Something is bound to happen if she stays behind.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: BenRG on 05 Dec 2016, 07:46
@ Zebediah,

I think that Bubbles never realised that she would be happy again before she met Faye and her friends. So, I think that the equation in her head is 'security' vs 'happiness'. That said, I don't think that the calculation is as simple as some might imagine.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Mr. Doctor on 05 Dec 2016, 09:24
It's a plausible reading that Bubbles has turned her back on Faye and that Bubble's expression says "You're nothing to me, squishy", with Faye reacting with fear of abandonment.

Facial expressions are very subjective because I totally did not read Bubbles' face as "You are nothing to me". That's a very defiant standpoint... To me she is avoiding Faye's stare because she's giving up. Basically sayng "I'm sorry, I can't follow you. I'm stuck here".
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Xader on 05 Dec 2016, 10:04
It's a plausible reading that Bubbles has turned her back on Faye and that Bubble's expression says "You're nothing to me, squishy", with Faye reacting with fear of abandonment.

Facial expressions are very subjective because I totally did not read Bubbles' face as "You are nothing to me". That's a very defiant standpoint... To me she is avoiding Faye's stare because she's giving up. Basically sayng "I'm sorry, I can't follow you. I'm stuck here".

Yep, I also saw ashamed avoidance of eye contact in that panel.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Kugai on 05 Dec 2016, 12:03
I feel sorry for Bubbles.  I get the feeling she's caught between a rock and a hard place at this point. I hope this doesn't mean the end of the Faye/Bubbles friendship, both have gained much from their association.

I just hope that CW opens her big fat mouth in such a way that causes Bubbles to walk away with Faye.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: OttawaJohn on 05 Dec 2016, 12:09
I always find it interesting how people interpret or re-interpret things.  It's why I love being a people watcher :)

My thoughts?  CW was over the line but when you're dealing with illegal activity, that's sorta expected.

Faye is no better, and possibly worse, for actually being a 'good person' who resorts to violence like that.  Implied or even over threats does not justify an unprovoked, and frankly cowardly, surprise attack on someone.  Sorry, just my thing.

And yes, Faye did not demand Bubbles come with her.  But basically her attitude is, as I see it, assuming Bubbles will throw away her current life just because Faye had a fit and stormed off.  That's selfish and short sighted. 

Leaving aside any hold CW may have on Bubbles, basically telling her to destroy her current situation for the joy of couch surfing at Martin's isn't really what most would call a plan.

She reminds me of lots of people I knew, especially when I was younger (which in her defence she still is), who would make a scene, throw a fit, storm off and then act angry or hurt that you didn't join them in their crusade against whatever, even though they drafted you into it and never asked your thoughts.

Bubbles doesn't like May from what I've seen.  And May is a pain who endangered the facility and all the other 'bots.  Maybe she agrees with the threat against her even, we don't know.  And neither does Faye.

Anyway, just my two cents.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: gprimr1 on 05 Dec 2016, 13:38
I felt CW's threat was pretty standard for what you encounter when dealing with illegal activity, from watching other shows. Faye's reaction was over the top. CW went too far, but Faye obliterated the line.

It sucks to be Bubbles now, as she has to choose between her friend and her job, and now, her friend has no job.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Tova on 05 Dec 2016, 14:27
I felt CW's threat was pretty standard for what you encounter when dealing with illegal activity, from watching other shows.

Ahh, I see. From watching other shows. Yes. *nods*  :police:
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: themacnut on 05 Dec 2016, 15:52
About time Faye's violent outbursts cost her.
Ok, while it's true that Faye jumps to violence too fast and too often, and it was unwise, I still object to this. This isn't her punching someone for something minor, Corpse Witch directly threatened to have her friend tortured.

Still a bad idea to punch out your boss, especially before you even have another job lined up. An even worse idea to punch out the boss of an illegal racket, it's like punching out the mobster or gang member you worked for under the table; being fired may not be the worst consequence Faye has to face for that. And CW is definitely the vindictive type, she won't let this go easily.

My prediction: I don't see Bubbles going with Faye. At all. Despite the friendship, Bubbles has more reasons to be loyal to CW than to Faye. Furthermore, I can see Faye taking this as a betrayal and telling Bubbles to go screw herself before storming out the door. Thus would end their friendship, followed most likely by Faye crawling back into the nearest bottle over the "breakup".

 
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 05 Dec 2016, 15:56
About time Faye's violent outbursts cost her.
Ok, while it's true that Faye jumps to violence too fast and too often, and it was unwise, I still object to this. This isn't her punching someone for something minor, Corpse Witch directly threatened to have her friend tortured.

Still a bad idea to punch out your boss, especially before you even have another job lined up. An even worse idea to punch out the boss of an illegal racket, it's like punching out the mobster or gang member you worked for under the table; being fired may not be the worst consequence Faye has to face for that. And CW is definitely the vindictive type, she won't let this go easily.

My prediction: I don't see Bubbles going with Faye. At all. Despite the friendship, Bubbles has more reasons to be loyal to CW than to Faye. Furthermore, I can see Faye taking this as a betrayal and telling Bubbles to go screw herself before storming out the door. Thus would end their friendship, followed most likely by Faye crawling back into the nearest bottle over the "breakup".

Yeah, but vengeance is bad for business. Especially when the business is illegal to begin with. Anything CW does to Faye would just be further incentive for Faye to go to the cops.

And given how Bubbles has acted and how Faye looks, I think this "betrayal" is enough to wipe her hands and actually call the cops. I'm beginning to suspect that this storyline is going to end up with Bubbles in handcuffs right next to CW.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: NyxDarkness on 05 Dec 2016, 18:16
Second job in a row that Faye's burned her bridges at. Might be problems coming up with a third. Has Faye been attending the therapy group? As a friend in recovery noted, drinking is less an illness than a symptom of an illness: the underlying emotional problems are what leads to drinking. Faye doesn't seem to have dealt with whatever made her drink.

Speaking of which, Faye's now in bad danger of a relapse, particularly if Bubbles doesn't leave with her.

As I see it, Faye had realized that her drinking was a problem, partly thanks to her friends, and she has dealt with that issue, though it is still a struggle. However, the REAL issue, that caused the drinking, was her depression and insecurities that (at least in part) stemmed from her father's suicide. She had abandonment issues, and I think that she still has not confronted that part of her past yet.
We have seen Faye come dangerously close to a relapse already, and it was Bubbles' friendship that helped her resist. I am scared for what will happen to Faye if Bubbles ultimately decides to stay with CW.
On that note, the next strip cannot come soon enough! I'm dying over here!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Method of Madness on 05 Dec 2016, 18:52
Re: TED - I did say it was unwise, and I get why there are consequences, I just don't see how someone can be happy about those consequences.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 05 Dec 2016, 19:04
Seeing cause and effect working can be reassuring sometimes.

People who have been the targets of violence may take some comfort in seeing a violent person finally face consequences.


Am I the only person here seeing anger in Bubble's expression?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: jwhouk on 05 Dec 2016, 19:09
Yanno, BenRG, I didn't get my first WCDT thread locked until about my third or fourth try...


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Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Storel on 05 Dec 2016, 19:20
I think that Jeph is going to have two strips with Faye and Corpse Witch making their cases (with a huge side-order of threats and innuendo on CW's part - She may also try to frighten Faye off with a few revelations about Bubbles' less-salubrious past). Then, after Bubbles (or possibly May, just to shake things up) summing up on Thursday, we'll have Bubbles making her own points about what she wants (as opposed to what Faye and Corpse Witch want) on Friday. The decision will be next Monday.

I don't think it'll take that long to play out. Bubbles is not one to dither over decisions. I think Bubbles will probably either go or stay by tomorrow or Wednesday.

Am I the only person here seeing anger in Bubble's expression?

Maybe. I certainly don't. In panel three she seems mildly curious, and in panel 5 she seems... reluctant?

Yanno, BenRG, I didn't get my first GDT thread locked until about my third or fourth try...

?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Method of Madness on 05 Dec 2016, 19:21
Also confused.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Tova on 05 Dec 2016, 20:36
TED? GDT (general discussion thread maybe?) Has there been some heavy moderation? The most recent posts seem incoherent.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Zog on 05 Dec 2016, 20:52
I see it not so much as Faye making demands as that it does not occur to her that Bubbles would want to stay after that display of malevolence from Corpse Witch. (This may be projection because I would not).
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Zog on 05 Dec 2016, 21:24
And offering her another place to stay to make the decision less painful.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Tova on 05 Dec 2016, 21:44
COMIC

Evoking empathy for some (me included); schadenfreude for others, I guess.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Phaedrus_schmaedrus on 05 Dec 2016, 22:11
Contrary to what you might think, May is being literal; she hasn't gotten a chance to put water seal on her new facemeats yet.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: BenRG on 05 Dec 2016, 23:22
I should have guessed that Jeph just wouldn't initially tell us why Bubbles wouldn't leave the skate park (at least not immediately). Sometimes, I think that he is learning a bit too much from David Willis about hitting the 'feels' button!

Occasionally, you're reminded that May was once an actuarial computer without a humanoid (indeed, likely even vaguely mobile) chassis. This comes across when you realise that she's still learning stuff like how to react to emotions and especially the appropriate use of interpersonal contact in day-to-day life. To misuse the old phrase, she literally does not know where to put her hands right now. Even if that were not a problem, I can't see a personality like hers being comfortable with friends who have emotional outbursts.

Evoking empathy for some (me included); schadenfreude for others, I guess.

Yeah, there has been a curiously high level of Fayehate this week so far, hasn't there? I really don't know what triggered it off.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 05 Dec 2016, 23:48
TED? GDT (general discussion thread maybe?) Has there been some heavy moderation? The most recent posts seem incoherent.

If so, not by me, and not with my knowledge.

"TED" might be short for "TheEvilDog". From context "GDT" must refer to the weekly comic thread.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 05 Dec 2016, 23:55
It's nice to know when you have been around long enough that you get your own abbreviation. :-D
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 06 Dec 2016, 00:08
There's nothing in the moderation log since November 15.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: gopher on 06 Dec 2016, 00:31
Yeah, there has been a curiously high level of Fayehate this week so far, hasn't there? I really don't know what triggered it off.

Some people, including me, see faye as both a bully and a thug. Threats and violence are often her go to moves in any situation. Even Jeph has said he would not want her in his life. So yes, it is good and appropriate that her actions have negative consequences.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: neurocase on 06 Dec 2016, 01:25
Normally I'm not fond of Faye. I don't hate her, but a lot of the things that make her character who she is are...irritating, let's say.

Even so, my initial reaction to today's strip was just an "Aw, Faye"

On whatever level, you can tell she really cares about Bubbles. It sucks that she lost her temper and, consequently, her job, but that's not really the kind of thing to ~SOB~ over
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: USS Martenclaire on 06 Dec 2016, 01:29
I have trouble understanding why people are so happy about seeing Faye like this. She is in the sort of place I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy - isolated, insecurity on every front and *alone*. Even in the company of others, even friends, it's possible to feel alone and I think Faye's been alone for so long that she doesn't really understand how people work. Similar to Bubbles in that way.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: riccostar on 06 Dec 2016, 01:31
Personally glad things didn't go according to Faye's plan here (if there was a plan).  Faye being violent is usually used for comedic purposes but this time violence was just base violence.  The only good thing that may have come out of that punch was Faye's pleasure in throwing it.  Likely the person Faye hurt most here was Bubbles, forcing her to make the decision between losing a friend and throwing away all stability she has in life.  Faye assuming that she is more important than Bubble's livelihood was just another incarnation of self-centeredness.

I definitely don't like to see bad things happen to Faye but it would have been upsetting to see such a selfish act be rewarded.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: NyxDarkness on 06 Dec 2016, 01:58
My heart is breaking right now...

I'm not saying that actions shouldn't have consequences, but for the most part, Faye is totally alone now. As of late, she has distanced herself from Marten and co. and Bubbles has been her closest friend. Faye is used to consequences to her actions, but she was certain that she could count on her friend to have her back here. I am sure that Bubbles would have scolded Faye for her actions had she followed anyways, but Faye would still have had her friend.

This does not bode well for Faye, but I'm interested to learn Bubbles' motivation, and if this will cause Faye to buckle in her fight for sobriety, or if her old friends will come to the rescue.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: TinPenguin on 06 Dec 2016, 02:59
Whatever hold CW has over Bubbles is powerful indeed. This confrontation came too soon for Faye to have known how to break it. If emotions are a battlefield, Faye should have taken the tactical loss to play for strategic time. But emotions are more of a brawl, and Faye went for the literal and metaphorical right hook.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Zebediah on 06 Dec 2016, 04:01
I don't think Bubbles and CW are through discussing this yet. CW is likely to gloat over her "victory" a little too much for Bubbles. I'm predicting CW has a matching dent in her cranium soon, and Bubbles shows up at Faye's door the Friday before Christmas.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Akima on 06 Dec 2016, 04:20
Evoking empathy for some (me included); schadenfreude for others, I guess.
How true... I'm sorry for Faye. Her actions were not wise, and she's a flawed character, but taking pleasure in someone else's misery is no virtue either.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: thedevilissix on 06 Dec 2016, 04:22
I have trouble understanding why people are so happy about seeing Faye like this. She is in the sort of place I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy - isolated, insecurity on every front and *alone*. Even in the company of others, even friends, it's possible to feel alone and I think Faye's been alone for so long that she doesn't really understand how people work. Similar to Bubbles in that way.

Completely agree. I think any selfishness that people are perceiving is a likely byproduct of what I think primarily is actually desperation.
This I imagine will feed into her abandonment issues - I think a big part of the reason she reacted like she did was because she was beginning to feel safe in Bubbles' friendship and that it could be relied upon.
I'm very sad to see this for Faye's sake.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: brasca on 06 Dec 2016, 05:38
Yeah, there has been a curiously high level of Fayehate this week so far, hasn't there? I really don't know what triggered it off.

Some people, including me, see faye as both a bully and a thug. Threats and violence are often her go to moves in any situation. Even Jeph has said he would not want her in his life. So yes, it is good and appropriate that her actions have negative consequences.

That's been one of my biggest problems with her character especially with the earlier strips.  She's gotten better since then, but her reaction was irrational and ultimately failed.  She didn't force Corpse Witch to be nice or apologize to May.  The threat still stands and now it applies to Faye as well.  Moreover, if she wanted to help out any other AIs in need of repairs that's no longer possible since she doesn't have a workshop to use.  And she didn't have any consideration for what Bubbles wanted to do.  While it's possible that CW is extorting her there's also the possibility that she just can't venture out into the world for very long without having problems.  It would be no different than if she wanted Hannelore to abandon an immaculate living environment to live with 2 other messy people for an indefinite amount of time.   

In some ways it's fitting that she's currently in the arms of another character who has problems with impulse control.  Perhaps May can help her with that. 
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: jwhouk on 06 Dec 2016, 05:49
I was stating that the tone of the posts were starting to sound like stuff that happened during the Dorapocalypse - which was about the time that it seemed almost a joke that any WCDT* would get locked in short order.


* - Sorry, I had a brain fart and called the "Weekly Comics Discussion Thread" by the name of another type of thread I post on another message board: "Game Day Thread". It's been a long damn week, and it's only Tuesday.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: JimC on 06 Dec 2016, 07:24
...would just be further incentive for Faye to go to the cops.
What is Faye going to go to the cops with? As Officer Rosko said, even the small time gambling is barely even a crime. The officer would seem to have a major bee in her bonnet about the place, which is why she hurtled in when she thought there might actually be evidence of something bad going on but apart from that... By the looks of things, under UK law at least, far more trouble could be caused by whistle blowing to the taxman.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: themacnut on 06 Dec 2016, 07:33
In some ways it's fitting that she's currently in the arms of another character who has problems with impulse control.  Perhaps May can help her with that.

Far more likely that May will make her impulse control problems worse. She'd happily buy Faye the first bottle that sends her on another bender, and only realize afterwards that Faye has a problem with alcohol abuse.

Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: hedgie on 06 Dec 2016, 08:13
The officer would seem to have a major bee in her bonnet about the place, which is why she hurtled in when she thought there might actually be evidence of something bad going on but apart from that... By the looks of things, under UK law at least, far more trouble could be caused by whistle blowing to the taxman.

Tax authorities were the ones that actually got Capone.  But I think that officer Basilisk's deciding to come in and pull a weapon was that she thought an AI was being hurt, and that's what the "bee in her bonnet" about robo-Fight Club is likely about.  Different AIs, much like different people have different ideas on how to pursue justice for AIs.  Momo is an activist.  Basilisk is a cop who seems to be trying to stay just within the limits of her power.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 06 Dec 2016, 09:54
...would just be further incentive for Faye to go to the cops.
What is Faye going to go to the cops with? As Officer Rosko said, even the small time gambling is barely even a crime. The officer would seem to have a major bee in her bonnet about the place, which is why she hurtled in when she thought there might actually be evidence of something bad going on but apart from that... By the looks of things, under UK law at least, far more trouble could be caused by whistle blowing to the taxman.

Corpse Witch did threaten her. At first that looks like CW has something to be concerned about. On second thought it would be in character for CW to push someone around just to prove that she can.

Reporters are taught to look for unhappy people to cultivate as sources. It would make sense for Clouseau to approach Faye again. Faye may know more than she thinks she does. Clouseau could show Faye pictures of possible higher-ups and ask "Did this person ever visit the skate park?". Another good one would be "Did you ever see a spare part in inventory with the serial number filed off?".
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: hedgie on 06 Dec 2016, 10:02
That last line was kinda scary.  We have no idea what their supply chain is.  I wonder if Bubbles won't leave until she has a "Soylent Green" moment due to a source of parts.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Kugai on 06 Dec 2016, 12:52
GODDAMNIT JEPH!!!!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: chris73 on 06 Dec 2016, 13:44
Some people, including me, see faye as both a bully and a thug. Threats and violence are often her go to moves in any situation. Even Jeph has said he would not want her in his life. So yes, it is good and appropriate that her actions have negative consequences.
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Yes this, her behaviour towards Marten in particular is nothing short of abusive and manipulative so its good that she (hopefully) starts to learn that violence doesn't always solve everything
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: danuis on 06 Dec 2016, 13:44
I would think that in a universe full of robotic chassis and AIs, including combat AIs which fight in wars, and working at a AI fight club, that picking a fight with these beings as a fleshy human would be a good way to get an arm ripped off and thus would be near instictively repressed by most people.

What the hell, Faye, you're too rash, literally for your own safety in addition to your own livelihood.

Sure, the comic doesn't go that way, but if CW had punched back, Faye could had been seriously hurt, or if Bubbles intervened even if to break it up in the nanosecounds it takes to make a decision, she could had flung Faye across the room.

And Faye isn't off the book from that either - CW's threat still hangs. Though that'll be a...weird course for the comic to take, the impact of losing two jobs to her impulsiveness is already tearing at her, so no need for that - I hope.

Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Morituri on 06 Dec 2016, 14:02
Some people, including me, see it as both disgusting and morally reprehensible to take pleasure in the misery of others.  Even if those others have impulse control problems, even if those others sometimes act out violently.

You don't have to like what she does.  You don't even have to like her.  But being glad that someone is miserable is IMO worse in terms of bad attitude and more likely to make someone like me avoid having you as a friend than Faye's loss of control. 

Just a note in case you ever wind up sad and lonely and don't know why.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Morituri on 06 Dec 2016, 14:08
All that aside, I have some speculation.

CW has something she's holding over Bubbles.  She wants to feel power right now because Faye's willingness to stand up to her has her rattled.  And she thinks she can push Bubbles because Bubbles stayed, indicating submissiveness, where Faye left.

It would be in character for her to abuse her power over Bubbles by sending Bubbles to "deal with" Faye.

And I don't think she understands friendship and respect. There's a lot of friendship and respect between Bubbles and Faye - so I think her inability to understand those things might lead her to make a decision that would be a disastrously bad idea for her.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: danuis on 06 Dec 2016, 14:27
Some people, including me, see it as both disgusting and morally reprehensible to take pleasure in the misery of others.  Even if those others have impulse control problems, even if those others sometimes act out violently.

You don't have to like what she does.  You don't even have to like her.  But being glad that someone is miserable is IMO worse in terms of bad attitude and more likely to make someone like me avoid having you as a friend than Faye's loss of control. 

Just a note in case you ever wind up sad and lonely and don't know why.

If this was to me, I am *not* rejoicing at Faye's current state. I am absolutely horrified, and literally did not want to click Monday's page on the off chance she did get physically hurt, and now her current state of affairs is tough to swallow on its ownm. Faye is actually one of my favorite characters.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: pwhodges on 06 Dec 2016, 15:02
If this was to me,

(Note how the start of morituri's post echoes the start of the post above yours - it is more likely to be a response to that, as well as some earlier posts, I imagine.)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: NyxDarkness on 06 Dec 2016, 15:42
There has been a large amount of hate going towards Faye lately. I'm sure that it was directed to them collectively.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Morituri on 06 Dec 2016, 15:53

It was collective.

I like people who've actually punched ME more than I like people who open their mouths and let that kind of turd fall out.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Dust on 06 Dec 2016, 16:14
Is the 'Faye-hate' overly different from "Yay, CW got clocked in the face!'?

It's a credit to Jeph that both of them can be perfectly in-character, and not just get a uniform reaction. (I'm more put off by violence than possibly hollow threats, so I guess I'm a Faye hater. Individual interpretation, and all that.)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Method of Madness on 06 Dec 2016, 16:39
We don't know that the threat is hollow, and most importantly May doesn't know, which means it doesn't matter whether or not the threat is real or not.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Dust on 06 Dec 2016, 18:34
True - I just don't think she would have barged in so flippantly and mouthed off earlier, if she put any stock in the mob involvement rumours. (Probably a moot point now, since she didn't have time to give a reaction before Faye jumped in.) I'm just seeing CW's "Don't go telling anyone... person who's clearly freaking out over anyone finding out" as an ego-trip power move.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Method of Madness on 06 Dec 2016, 19:22
She'd been there before and got repaired for free without issue, she didn't know that Corpse Witch gave Faye shit for it later (and even that was more "oy, don't use company property, I'm docking your pay" and less "I'll have you tortured!"), so why would May be less than comfortable?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Method of Madness on 06 Dec 2016, 20:19
Ehhhh, I dunno if Jeph'd do that. He's not Willis.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 06 Dec 2016, 20:40
So after the whole sobbing on May's shoulder thing today, I'm expecting another real curveball... like how interesting could it be if Angus showed up right about now?

Probably about as much chance as Raven returning to a main character spot.

Ha. Hahahhah--I made myself sad.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 06 Dec 2016, 21:32
I think Bubbles is putting on Emily's collapsible cardigan about now...
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 06 Dec 2016, 21:40
Comic's up and "dun dun duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuun!"
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Tova on 06 Dec 2016, 21:53
Sounds a bit like someone is being taken advantage of (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3312).
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: jheartney on 06 Dec 2016, 21:59
I don't think we've seen the last of Bubbles, so this question of whether or not she is as good a friend to Faye as Faye thought will need some fleshing out. Faye eventually made up with Dora, and I think eventually she'll reconcile with Bubbles too. Probably will take some time, though.

May voices my notion that CW has some hold over Bubbles. I don't think this means it's true - May is pretty much of an outsider. It's as likely that Bubbles doesn't want to leave her comfort zone, or that she feels a kinship to all the other AI's at the rink, or that she feels a responsibility to them. Or that CW will (as some other commenters suggested) overplay her hand and so disgust Bubbles that she ends up leaving the place anyway.

Sounds a bit like someone is being taken advantage of (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3312).

Sadly for Officer Basilisk, Faye's no longer in a position to shed much light on that anymore.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: BenRG on 06 Dec 2016, 23:32
'To catch a thief' and all that; it makes sense that May would know (or at least have a clearer understanding than Faye) of what is going on at this point. It also takes May (who isn't really Faye's friend and, therefore, can be brutally plain with her) to realise that Bubbles' back-story likely isn't as simple as she's been assuming.

So, am I the only one expecting that the next strip will be cutting back to Bubbles and her doing something to Corpse Witch (like, repairs with her pain sensors still turned on)? This is the point, in my view, where we get some idea of just what Bubbles did that Corpse Witch thinks classes as a serious felony.

Meanwhile, from Jeph's Twitter feed, it's starting to look like Detective Basilisk may yet turn out to be a more significant character we thought! Jeph's put a lot of work into her own set of background characters, including a very interesting-looking fellow femmebot detective whose chassis is optimised for the vice squad!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: J on 06 Dec 2016, 23:42
while its certainly possible that bubs is being coerced somehow, it seems just as likely to me that she simply has a different viewpoint regarding boss-bot's threats. they are all criminals after all, and may just put them all in serious legal danger by getting followed there. a reminder that 'i am a bad person, and will do bad things to you if you cross me' would seem to be a standard business practice in this case.

and personally, i rather disagree with the notion that if you quit your job over a disagreement with the boss, your coworkers are somehow obligated to quit along with you. like, what would bubs quitting have actually accomplished?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: BenRG on 07 Dec 2016, 00:01
and personally, i rather disagree with the notion that if you quit your job over a disagreement with the boss, your coworkers are somehow obligated to quit along with you. like, what would bubs quitting have actually accomplished?

Setting herself free from a domineering amoral manipulator who sees Bubbles as just another asset to exploit for her own personal benefit and positively delights in the thought of her being isolated and alone.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: J on 07 Dec 2016, 00:20
none of which faye is in any way shape or form aware of.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: BenRG on 07 Dec 2016, 01:13
What Faye is aware of is that Corpse Witch is cruel and takes malicious delight in intimidating people and issuing dire threats. She also knows that Corpse Witch seems to prefer for Bubbles to be friendless and socially isolated (because she basically warned Faye off when Bubbles had a meltdown). I don't think it was unreasonable on Faye's part to assume that, if she had an alternative offered, Bubbles would far prefer to live somewhere else and not be around her boss anymore.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: TinPenguin on 07 Dec 2016, 01:43
Bubbles is the Church to Corpse Witch's Pate.

out of context that may be the weirdest sentence I've ever written
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: JimC on 07 Dec 2016, 03:58
i rather disagree with the notion that if you quit your job over a disagreement with the boss, your coworkers are somehow obligated to quit along with you.
Socialising with Faye is, what probably not even 5% of Bubbles' life. The other 95% is all around the skate park and the fights. Expecting her to walk away from 95% of her life because someone in the 5% has anger management problems is well...
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: BenRG on 07 Dec 2016, 04:04
i rather disagree with the notion that if you quit your job over a disagreement with the boss, your coworkers are somehow obligated to quit along with you.

Socialising with Faye is, what probably not even 5% of Bubbles' life. The other 95% is all around the skate park and the fights. Expecting here to walk away from 95% of her life because someone in the 5% has anger management problems is well...

You keep trying to make this about Faye and it isn't. Faye thought that she was trying to save Bubbles.

That aside, what did Bubbles do that was so terrible?

(https://67.media.tumblr.com/640810b9126cd100b6a6001b8ad1c15d/tumblr_nbrss4dRgO1s3dkoso1_1280.jpg)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Method of Madness on 07 Dec 2016, 04:12
Bubbles is the Church to Corpse Witch's Pate.
Holy shit, I hope not!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: brasca on 07 Dec 2016, 04:52
What Faye is aware of is that Corpse Witch is cruel and takes malicious delight in intimidating people and issuing dire threats. She also knows that Corpse Witch seems to prefer for Bubbles to be friendless and socially isolated (because she basically warned Faye off when Bubbles had a meltdown). I don't think it was unreasonable on Faye's part to assume that, if she had an alternative offered, Bubbles would far prefer to live somewhere else and not be around her boss anymore.

Is she?  Corpse Witch is certainly manipulative, but she doesn't appear to go out of her way to be cruel.  Bubbles is an asset to her organization so she's been undermining her growing confidence that the outside world isn't so bad.  That's not good, but she doesn't appear to be getting any joy out of it.  She docked Faye's pay for using her business to do repairs.  Again this isn't good, but she could also be the kind of criminal who wants a piece of whatever action you got that is related to her business.  And threatening May is protecting her interest since a convicted felon is the kind of target for police looking to leverage information so she has to threaten her with something worse than jail.  Seriously it's nothing personal, just business.  And while she is certainly bad if I had a choice I'd take Corpse Witch's company over Beatrice Ellicott-Chatham any day. 

Hopefully, Faye will keep what May said in mind and not take this as an act of betrayal.  If she seeks answers she might find out that Bubbles is being extorted or she stays in Corpse Witch's employment because it's her safe place. 
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: J on 07 Dec 2016, 05:12
i rather disagree with the notion that if you quit your job over a disagreement with the boss, your coworkers are somehow obligated to quit along with you.

Socialising with Faye is, what probably not even 5% of Bubbles' life. The other 95% is all around the skate park and the fights. Expecting here to walk away from 95% of her life because someone in the 5% has anger management problems is well...

You keep trying to make this about Faye and it isn't. Faye thought that she was trying to save Bubbles.

where exactly are you getting that notion? her exact words are "I thought Bubbles would back me up. I thought we were friends". that's pretty clearly centered around faye, feeling as though she's been personally betrayed.

the fact that she needs may to explain how bubsy could 'just stand there' suggests that it hasn't even occured to faye yet that she might need saving.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: OttawaJohn on 07 Dec 2016, 06:28
I'm still just confused on how people are cheering at Faye suffering?  I've read the forums for this week and unless lots of stuff is being removed or editied after, I've not seen that.

I see people saying they're glad a bit of reality is happening, where if you do things like Faye did, there are consequences.  She has sometimes seemed to get way with everything that would normally get someone in trouble pretty fast.

Like someone else mentioned, I several times over the weekend wondered about Mondays comic and was concerned about the outcome, as I hate to see people suffer.

It's like simply not liking Faye's attitude and actions somehow means we hate her and want her in pain.

For the life of me, I am not able to understand why you can't have nuanced opinions.

You like Faye for the most part.
You think she has some horrible parts though.  Like any Human really.
You celebrate her victories but don't like when her dark side shines through.
Some reality sets in, and you comment that 'well, that was bound to happen eventually'

Yet then it's translated to 'you all hate Faye.'

I guess it's part of rooting for the character.  After all, why is no one raging against Faye for her sucker punch on a defenceless robot?  Cause no one seems to like CW.

We saw no evidence of CW having superior strength or durability or weapons.  Hell, she seem's physically weak, this could be like Faye decking Raven, not exactly a fair fight.

Yet no one freaked out.

Oh Humans, we're so fascinating :)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: gprimr1 on 07 Dec 2016, 06:55
Has anyone considered that possibly Bubbles likes working there? There might be things she doesn't like, but in the end she might have some enjoyment working there.

She may also simply not want to throw away a job that pays over an irrational overreaction.

The way I see this, COD forced Faye to face her alcoholism, could this force her to face her anger?

Faye seems to be an example of the idea of growth through adversity.

As much as I hate seeing her that way, I've also realized that for some people, that's how growth occurs. I've had many friends who refused to accept there was a problem until it really put them in a bad spot.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 07 Dec 2016, 08:35
Has anyone considered that possibly Bubbles likes working there? There might be things she doesn't like, but in the end she might have some enjoyment working there.

She may also simply not want to throw away a job that pays over an irrational overreaction.


Bear in mind as well that Bubbles was a combat unit, she has seen how straight up reckless behaviour can get people hurt or possibly killed. Faye might be her friend, but I suspect that Bubbles has lost enough friends to walk away from what she might perceive to be a stupid situation. And what Faye did was reckless and stupid.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: NyxDarkness on 07 Dec 2016, 09:45
To OttowaJohn:
Concerning your first two paragraphs: There have been multiple accounts of "Yeah, Faye gets what's coming to her!" or "It's about time!" People on the forum have been practically celebrating the fact that something bad is happening to Faye. We have seen people say, almost literally, that they hate Faye.

Concerning your last two paragraphs: Just because we don't like her actions doesn't mean that we have to wish ill things towards her. 

General thoughts:
While I disagree with the notion that she thought she was saving Bubbles, Faye acted out of what she thought was righteousness . Sure, she went off half-cocked and didn't do as much good as she thought, but her reaction of punching CW was, in Faye's eyes, for the purpose of protecting May. It is not out of character for Faye to react violently, it's true, but she also has a noble streak which causes her to stick up for her friends. And while May and Faye might not be terribly close, it's unrealistic to expect that they would not be friends. They have a very large mutual friend group, and they must have spent some time together because of it.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: USS Martenclaire on 07 Dec 2016, 10:37
If I had to guess, something to do with her military service. If she was a murder suspect or other extremely serious civilian crime, then Raccoon would have immediately brought in additional police to arrest her. Whatever she did, there is an element of doubt, hence why Raccoon is sniffing for additional evidence.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: gprimr1 on 07 Dec 2016, 10:50
Maretenclaire might have a point. It may not even be something illegal. She mentions she lost people in combat, perhaps she was the one who survived and thus has survivors guilt? Or maybe she did something or didn't do something that lead to the loss, or didn't prevent the loss. Not that it would be illegal, but it would carry a lot of shame, thus making her easy to control.

I would like to see the story develop and possibly Bubbles admits to Faye what she's hiding, thus re-enforcing their friendship, and then Bubbles helps Faye to work on being less violent.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Kugai on 07 Dec 2016, 12:09
I'm just hoping that this isn't the last we've seen of Bubbles.  I like her, and she really has grown as a character since her introduction and becoming Fayes friend.

I think that maybe there is something to the speculation that CW 'Knows Things' about Bubbles that she'd rather not have others know - especially Faye.  Whether this has to do with her days in the Military and the PTSD/Survivors Guilt she seems to carry around. or more to do with her recent history with CW and Fight Club, is something I hope Jeph is going to explore.



Faye: "Goddammit Bubbles TALK TO ME!"
Bubbles:  "I've ...... seen and done things you wouldn't believe Faye."
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: J on 07 Dec 2016, 13:44
she lit some attack ships on fire off the shoulder of orion?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: NyxDarkness on 07 Dec 2016, 13:50
I think too much time has gone into developing Bubbles as a character for Jeph just to write her out of the story like this. I hope this rocky spot comes out as a way to better relate to Bubbles, either for us, or for Faye and others to strengthen their bonds.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: anahata on 07 Dec 2016, 15:04
She mentions she lost people in combat, perhaps she was the one who survived and thus has survivors guilt?

That's how I've always seen it.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Sullivan on 07 Dec 2016, 16:31

I think that maybe there is something to the speculation that CW 'Knows Things' about Bubbles that she'd rather not have others know - especially Faye.  Whether this has to do with her days in the Military and the PTSD/Survivors Guilt she seems to carry around. or more to do with her recent history with CW and Fight Club, is something I hope Jeph is going to explore.

There's also the possibility that May "knows things", or has heard things, beyond what she's letting on. Maybe things that Faye wouldn't want to hear about her friend. Or maybe about Corpse Witch.

May spent time in "Robot Jail", after all, and it would be very surprising if she hadn't heard... you know, things.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 07 Dec 2016, 20:30
It would be very surprising if the rumor mill in Robot Jail was any more trustworthy than it is in human jails.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: plusorminus on 07 Dec 2016, 20:36

Is she?  Corpse Witch is certainly manipulative, but she doesn't appear to go out of her way to be cruel.  Bubbles is an asset to her organization so she's been undermining her growing confidence that the outside world isn't so bad.  That's not good, but she doesn't appear to be getting any joy out of it.  She docked Faye's pay for using her business to do repairs.  Again this isn't good, but she could also be the kind of criminal who wants a piece of whatever action you got that is related to her business.  And threatening May is protecting her interest since a convicted felon is the kind of target for police looking to leverage information so she has to threaten her with something worse than jail.  Seriously it's nothing personal, just business.  And while she is certainly bad if I had a choice I'd take Corpse Witch's company over Beatrice Ellicott-Chatham any day. 

Hopefully, Faye will keep what May said in mind and not take this as an act of betrayal.  If she seeks answers she might find out that Bubbles is being extorted or she stays in Corpse Witch's employment because it's her safe place.

This. I was sort of hoping that for a change, the Faye apologia would take breather but no such luck. Faye was happy to pocket the cash all this time of so-called "Corpse Witch" (really?) and May's ridiculous ass (full disclosure, I cannot STAND her) comes in and possibly opens the door up for the head Bot to be investigated, and instead of telling May to pipe down, Faye socks her boss? Uhm ...

Faye is a goon and she needs to get a grip and a clue. Nothing that she did there was righteous in any way.

I'm not sure about Bubbles. I think it's more that she sees Faye for what she is - an angry, self-entitled loose canon. Faye knows what the deal was with that job. It's strictly underground and there has been no breath that the head Bot was doing anything to put fighting droids in harm's way any more than they were doing themselves by boxing. The Head Bot got the cop off their case and May goes bitching about it and instead of Faye telling May to shut the fuck up, go home, and enjoy her new face, she lashes out. Bubbles may just have figured that Faye can't be too bright. I doubt the Head Bot might not know anything except that Bubbles was horribly scarred by her combat experience. She may be the Droid version of Brun's overprotective friend, but I don't see anyone cheering for her to get decked.

I'm sure Bubbles will be seen again. I'm sure that as usual, the Faye apologists will find ways for this to be everyone else's fault but hers.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Dust on 07 Dec 2016, 20:52
She'd been there before and got repaired for free without issue, she didn't know that Corpse Witch gave Faye shit for it later (and even that was more "oy, don't use company property, I'm docking your pay" and less "I'll have you tortured!"), so why would May be less than comfortable?

She most likely heard about it later off-panel... hell, it's May. The only reason she'd even deign to bring money is out of guilt, after hearing about the pay dockage.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Method of Madness on 07 Dec 2016, 21:00
I don't think she did hear about the pay dockage, I just think she figured Faye did her a solid once and she doesn't want to seem like she's mooching by asking her to fix her for free again.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Gyrre on 07 Dec 2016, 21:07
This whole mess is rather complicated, isn't it.


One thing Faye and I have in common (other than being a little overweight) is that when our friends are threatened, we go into 'guard dog mode'. Though, Faye is more 'immediately attack threat' while I'm more 'super alert mode + barking, step in if things look like they'll get physical'.

Side note: If Bubbles were a guard dog, she'd probably be a Caucasian shepherd dog (a.k.a. Caucasian Ovcharka or Bashan pariy)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e5/Full_grown_caucasion_shepherd.jpg)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: MrNumbers on 07 Dec 2016, 21:09
FAYE DIDN'T DENY SHE WANTED ROBOBABIES.

THAT'S GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Tova on 07 Dec 2016, 21:13
I'm total sure that, with their construction savvy, they could totally make robobabies.

I'm sure Bubbles will be seen again. I'm sure that as usual, the Faye apologists will find ways for this to be everyone else's fault but hers.

That's very good. I now feel dreadful for being a Faye apologist.

I'm also a plusorminus apologist. I'm sure you're a decent person.

I hope you'll forgive me.

P.S. It's not about waving away or ignoring every dumb or evil thing she does, it's about hating the sin and not the sinner, so to speak.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: hedgie on 07 Dec 2016, 21:14
Well, next week looks like it's going to be interesting.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Method of Madness on 07 Dec 2016, 21:20
(giant doggo)
I WANT ONE
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Mr. Doctor on 07 Dec 2016, 21:39
Goldblum bless us all.

Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: BenRG on 07 Dec 2016, 23:21
I think that the big revelation of this week so far has been how mature May can be when she wants to. This is something that we very rarely see from her and usually only when Dale or Momo threatens her! Now... what is the regretful fact of life that May has encountered that sucks? She seems to be speaking from a degree of experience here!

Finally... Given May's well known... fascination with reproductive and sexual biology, you can't help but wonder just how much thought she's put into 'robabies'! :wink:
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Radium_Coyote on 07 Dec 2016, 23:42
Hanners would find a way to MAKE that work, and squee while doing so.

There are more people in play, than the people in play, and everyone involved has friends they don't know they have.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: oddtail on 07 Dec 2016, 23:48
Faye was happy to pocket the cash all this time of so-called "Corpse Witch" (really?)

The phrasing is somewhat ambiguous, but I assume the "really?" refers to the "Corpse Witch" part. If I'm misinterpreting, I apologise.

If I'm not misinterpreting, on the other hand: you do realise that "Corpse Witch" is the nickname the author of the comic himself coined, right? And seeing as her real name has never been revealed, I don't see what other name we could reasonably use in the forum to refer to her.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: neurocase on 08 Dec 2016, 00:51
I know I ought not to, but I'm just going to skirt past the drama for the moment, and instead make steeplehands at the fact that Faye didn't immediately bounce up to defend herself and say that she doesn't want robobabies with Bubbles.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/5nFShZWwq3fdm/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: BenRG on 08 Dec 2016, 01:31
I'm a die-hard Faybles shipper but even I can see that a plausible interpretation of today's strip is that Faye is too weirded out by the idea of 'robabies' to put together a half-way sane reply to May's words, no matter what she thinks of the idea! :wink:
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: brasca on 08 Dec 2016, 05:20
She may be the Droid version of Brun's overprotective friend, but I don't see anyone cheering for her to get decked.

What forums have you been reading?  Well in all seriousness I don't recall anyone advocating violence, but Rene is not well liked around here. 

Am I alone in picturing the Cybernetic Ghost of Christmas Past from the Future explaining how this could be accomplished in a very long winded story concluding  "And that's where babies come from... for machines."
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Sullivan on 08 Dec 2016, 06:01
It would be very surprising if the rumor mill in Robot Jail was any more trustworthy than it is in human jails.

Wouldn't they use error correction?! :D

Seriously - I didn't say May would necessarily have heard accurate information. Just that it was likely she'd heard "things." Most likely, things about illegal robot-oriented goings-on on the outside. Like the Robot Fight Club.  Or even about Bubbles. Maybe accurate, maybe not, but it would still be consistent with May's speech in 3368. "I heard something, but I don't think you wanna hear it."

(Whatever... it's clear that May has sincerely grown in empathy. Applause!)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: JimC on 08 Dec 2016, 08:46
"And that's where babies come from... for machines."
Actually I rather like the concept that a human and an AI are required to co-operate (as Asimov might have put it) in order for a new AI to be generated. In some mental rather than physical manner though. One speculation on AI generation might be that the new entity emerges as a combination of aspects of the mentality of two 'parents', so then  if it were then possible to read those aspects of mentality from a human then a new AI could be an assimilation of meatspace and metalspace mental characteristics... Pretty sillly I suppose, but it was fun thinking about it!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Kugai on 08 Dec 2016, 11:21
I'm liking May here, despite how she usually is, this shows a level of maturity here that is surprising consider how she is normally behaves.  She might not like to admit it, but she's far more a deep thinker than she portrays.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Blood-Tree on 08 Dec 2016, 12:18
Sounds a bit like someone is being taken advantage of (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3312).

I agree that seems to be a likely direction for this storyline. Although I had hoped that Bubbles's refusal to follow Faye was Actual Pacifism (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ActualPacifist). I think that would be a more interesting option for character development than a Dark and Troubled Past (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DarkAndTroubledPast) followed by a revelation that Bubbles is The Atoner (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheAtoner) which is where this looks to be headed.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: gprimr1 on 08 Dec 2016, 13:53
It's possible, also possible that was an interrogation trick to see if Faye would let something slip.

If Faye accidentally says yes, she has something.

If Faye says no, and the officer is able to get some evidence, she can leverage Faye for lying to the police.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 08 Dec 2016, 17:03
For perspective let us remember that many people here have had some in their lives with faults like Faye's. Such people can cause lasting damage.

I hope she confronts her impulse control problems now. In my happy place The Pugnacious Peach would be both accountable and successful.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 08 Dec 2016, 17:49
I thought the purpose of Officer Basilisk was to show us that the Robot Fights would be around for the foreseeable future.

So now both Brün and Faye will be looking for work? poop.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Sullivan on 08 Dec 2016, 19:09
I voted "other".

CW: "Have you a benediction for me, lassie?"
Faye: "Rollo Tomasi." (chuckles, then dies)

(I didn't really want this to happen, I just like that movie)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Gyrre on 08 Dec 2016, 20:34
I thought the purpose of Officer Basilisk was to show us that the Robot Fights would be around for the foreseeable future.So now both Brün and Faye will be looking for work? poop.

Perhaps they could work together?

Brun loves clocks, and I'd wager she can design them. Plus, Faye has the fabrication skills to assemble them.


EDIT: Maybe Bubbles knows where to legally get some discunt materials.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Mad Cat on 08 Dec 2016, 20:55
Encryption key? What encryption key?

*Dun* *Dun* *DUN*
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: brasca on 08 Dec 2016, 21:11
And now we know what Corpse Witch uses to control Bubbles.  And it's good leverage since Bubbles had 2 breakdowns since we were first introduced to her.  Without that encryption key she'd probably be worse than Hannelore without medication. 

There is hope.  If Faye finds out she can use her resources to replace the key.  It might be above Marigold's expertise, but I'm sure Hannelore would know someone.   
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: SomeCanadianWeirdo on 08 Dec 2016, 21:13
I suspect CW will get Hannelored sooner or later.  Whether it's our dear Ms. H. calling in her AI friends for help, or Corpse Witch being unable to resist Hanner's dangerous charm powers.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: brasca on 08 Dec 2016, 21:19
I have mixed feelings about that.  It means Hannelore is the deus ex machina for resolving difficult situations because she has resources no one else has.  I prefer her trying to live a normal life without having to call on her parents, especially her mother for favors. 
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Method of Madness on 08 Dec 2016, 21:44
Or sometimes she's the deus ex machina just because she ENDS MESSES.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Zog on 08 Dec 2016, 21:51
It would be very surprising if the rumor mill in Robot Jail was any more trustworthy than it is in human jails.

Wouldn't they use error correction?! :D

Seriously - I didn't say May would necessarily have heard accurate information. Just that it was likely she'd heard "things." Most likely, things about illegal robot-oriented goings-on on the outside. Like the Robot Fight Club.  Or even about Bubbles. Maybe accurate, maybe not, but it would still be consistent with May's speech in 3368. "I heard something, but I don't think you wanna hear it."

(Whatever... it's clear that May has sincerely grown in empathy. Applause!)

The "I heard something" line seems familiar but I can't find it now...?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: jheartney on 08 Dec 2016, 22:07
Maybe I'm slow, but I'm not entirely following what CW is threatening Bubbles with. Is it that the traumatic memories are only temporarily locked, and so if Bubbles leaves, the memories come back spontaneously? Or does CW have control over the memories, and can make Bubbles "remember" them remotely? Or does Bubbles want the memories, and CW is threatening that Bubbles will never get the memories back if she obsconds?

Also, who are these "people" that Bubbles took refuge with CW against? Did Bubbles run up gambling debts, or something? Or were the "people" from the Pentagon, looking to find Bubbles and bring her back to the military? Or at least steal her badass chassis?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: brasca on 08 Dec 2016, 22:09
Or sometimes she's the deus ex machina just because she ENDS MESSES.

If there is someone who can magically END MESSES then things become predictable and boring.  It's possible that Hannelore might try to replace the encryption key only to find that its more sophisticated than anything she's ever seen.  Perhaps Corpse Witch was a brilliant programmer turned bitter due to discrimination which is why she operates a robot fighting ring.  Offering her a job with her father's company in exchange for keeping the memory block in place would resolve this in a way where all parties can be happy would be great, but it's still a plot tidily concluded because of friends in high places. 
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Tova on 08 Dec 2016, 22:27
It's unclear to me as well.

I have a list of competing theories, none of which is winning yet.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Zog on 08 Dec 2016, 22:28
What if she had CW store the memories simply because they were to painful to remember , but CW has convinced her it was because she did something horrible. Maybe she even suspects that this is true and is even more afraid to lose them because of that.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: dreed on 08 Dec 2016, 22:34
Maybe I'm slow, but I'm not entirely following what CW is threatening Bubbles with. Is it that the traumatic memories are only temporarily locked, and so if Bubbles leaves, the memories come back spontaneously? Or does CW have control over the memories, and can make Bubbles "remember" them remotely? Or does Bubbles want the memories, and CW is threatening that Bubbles will never get the memories back if she obsconds?

Also, who are these "people" that Bubbles took refuge with CW against? Did Bubbles run up gambling debts, or something? Or were the "people" from the Pentagon, looking to find Bubbles and bring her back to the military? Or at least steal her badass chassis?

The memories are under CW safekeeping by the form of encryption key.  Bubbles does not want to access them hence why they are encrypted but she also does not want to lose them.

so

CW can either release them which would be bad for Bubbles as she is not ready to deal with all that shit
or
CW deletes the key and Bubbles loses memories possibly forever
or
CW releases them to the public as they might not even be stored in Bubble's body anymore


and if Han wanted to decrypt something there is zero reason why she should not be able to.  Not herself though as brasca mentioned that it can be even too complicated for her.

but not for other AI.  She does have access to some serious AI power out there which should be able to crack anything CW comes up with.

thats why i don't think we had seen much of interaction between bubbles and Han as the issues presented so far in the comic would be solvable by Han and her skills and connections.





Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Timemaster on 08 Dec 2016, 22:43
Finally some news about our favorite warbot.

So Bubbles is hiding frome someone and CW has given her refuge. From whom? And is Bubbles hiding because she´s on the lam or does she simply not want to meet specific people. I think rather the latter, because she is moving around town without much precaution and is rather relaxed around officer Basilisk. Or maybe she´s just trying to hide from her own past?
This leads me straight to the mysterious encryption key. I suppose Bubs has encrypted parts of her own memory and gave the key to CW so she´s not longer able to access them herself. I see two possible explanations for this: those are traumatic memories from her own past, which she no longer wants to remember. Or she has some classified information stored, wich she wants to protect, even from herself.
Maybe she knows something important and no one must ever know she knows!
NO ONE!
EVER!
Something in the line of who shot JFK, what is really hidden in Area51 or who controls Donald Trump.  :wink:
And thats why she is hiding herself.

TM
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: NyxDarkness on 08 Dec 2016, 22:55
And deeper down the rabbit hole we go..
I'm happy to see that Faye's friendship is still important to Bubbles, but what is Bubbles hiding from? When it comes to the Encryption Key CW mentioned, I think it's probably more along the lines of traumatic info that Bubbles wishes she could forget. 
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: brasca on 08 Dec 2016, 22:59
Finally some news about our favorite warbot.

So Bubbles is hiding frome someone and CW has given her refuge. From whom? And is Bubbles hiding because she´s on the lam or does she simply not want to meet specific people. I think rather the latter, because she is moving around town without much precaution and is rather relaxed around officer Basilisk. Or maybe she´s just trying to hide from her own past?
This leads me straight to the mysterious encryption key. I suppose Bubs has encrypted parts of her own memory and gave the key to CW so she´s not longer able to access them herself. I see two possible explanations for this: those are traumatic memories from her own past, which she no longer wants to remember. Or she has some classified information stored, wich she wants to protect, even from herself.
Maybe she knows something important and no one must ever know she knows!
NO ONE!
EVER!
Something in the line of who shot JFK, what is really hidden in Area51 or who controls Donald Trump.  :wink:
And thats why she is hiding herself.

TM

I think Bubbles is seeking refuge from the outside world.  If the government wanted to arrest her I doubt they'd have any trouble finding her and considering Corpse Witch is running an illegal business keeping a high profile fugitive would be asking for trouble.  As we have seen Bubbles has trouble interacting with people.  The first time at Faye and Marten's apartment ended badly.  With the exception of May and Pintsize's obnoxious behavior no one was hostile to her presence, but she couldn't handle it.  Then there was the time those teenagers were calling her a freak behind her back.  Even though she knows it's irrational to be angry over it she is and retreated back to her safe place. 
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: BenRG on 08 Dec 2016, 23:29
Well done to Jeph for taking this in such an unexpected and uniquely AI direction!  If you could have a bad chunk of your life locked off so that you were physically incapable of recalling them unless you wanted to (and would need outside help to do so) would you do so?

Bubbles' memories are clearly traumatic enough that forcing her to confront them is the worst threat imaginable for Corpse Witch to make to her. Or, at the very least, Bubbles tells herself that they're especially traumatic, which is not unreasonable, based on the fact that she knows nothing about those memories other than the fact she wanted them locked away enough to get herself permanently under the influence of this vile petty criminal. However, we don't know how different time and her changed perspectives might make her reaction to them.

In any case, I don't think that whoever she was hiding from is such a big issue anymore. She was clearly willing to confront that possibility head-on. The memories? Less so.

Just a guess: I'm thinking that Bubbles may have been blamed by one surviving relative of one of her dead squad-mates and he/she was hounding her. When you're already dealing with PTSD and guilt, having a vengeful stalker can't be good for your mental health.

In the end, it's going to come down to what is most important to Bubbles - Hiding or friendship; security or happiness. The two are no longer combined and I think that she's very, very aware of it. However, that isn't a decision anyone could come to quickly.

Corpse Witch has won this round and can afford to be a little smug but I think she should be aware of just how close Bubbles came to killing her here and not caring about the consequences. If there was ever a time to cash out of a deal gone bad, I would suspect it is now.

Actually, an alternate explanation just occurred to me. Ever heard of 'Ransomware'? I wonder if Corpse Witch used something like that on Bubbles?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: gopher on 08 Dec 2016, 23:42
Bubbles should have covered herself in tattoos or mailed herself esoteric clues to the memories before she had them locked off.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: oeoek on 09 Dec 2016, 00:10
ok, 10 points for the raccoon; someone is taken advantage of at the robofightring...
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: iduguphergrave on 09 Dec 2016, 00:18

Well that took a dark turn



Oh hey I'm still alive
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: HiFranc on 09 Dec 2016, 01:04
That puts the time she accompanied Faye to liquor store and afterwards in a new light.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: TinPenguin on 09 Dec 2016, 01:49
Those last two panels - is that a yes or a no, do you reckon?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: BenRG on 09 Dec 2016, 02:04
I suspect it is an unspoken "no, for now" response. However, if I were Corpse Witch, I wouldn't be too smug. Something tells me that Bubbles may be thinking very, very hard about just how important those memories and controlling them are to her compared to the new connections she's made in the wider world. She may yet decide that it is a risk that she's willing to take.

The thing is that Corpse Witch has demonstrated that she is strongly anthrophobic(1). It is quite possible that she literally can't imagine a human becoming Bubbles's true friend and, therefore, is incapable of predicting the influence Faye and, to a much lesser extent, Hannelore and Claire, might have on Bubbles's decision-making processes.

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(1) In this context, 'anthrophobic' refers to bigotry expressed as suspicion and fear directed at humans by a synthetic. Corpse Witch has used what could be described as hate-speech about humans, particularly Faye but also as a generic stereotype, on at least two occasions before today.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Sullivan on 09 Dec 2016, 02:36
Those last two panels - is that a yes or a no, do you reckon?
Whatever it is, that smug smile is gone from CW's face. She's no longer confident that she's in control, no longer sure how things will go.

This makes me happy.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: USS Martenclaire on 09 Dec 2016, 03:16
Hmmmm. We know that a difficult memory is locked away in Bubbles head....but while it might be a traumatic memory, it might also be a memory of something shameful she did. Maybe she abandoned her comrades to die or something like that?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: bhtooefr on 09 Dec 2016, 03:45
Also, quite frankly, Bubbles has leverage over Corpse Witch, now, by having demonstrated the ability and willingness to kill her.

The tactic that CW has been using is, essentially, "stay with me or you won't get the encryption key". The thing with that, there's no way to win that by playing by CW's game - stay, CW will never give it to her because it's leverage. Leave, CW won't give it to her. Bubbles cannot win (clearly Bubbles wants the key).

Threaten to kill CW, on the other hand, and then Bubbles has an in - "give me the key, or you die". It's an ugly, ugly route, but she's already gone down it now - she literally just threatened CW's life. And, the thing is, if CW doesn't give up the key under that kind of threat? Bubbles isn't getting it under any circumstances anyway.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: JimC on 09 Dec 2016, 04:12
anthrophobic
[pedant]It would be anthropophobic. Anthrophobic doesn't really work. Anthophobic would be fear/dislike of the colour yellow and anthraphobic fear/dislike of coal.[/pedant]

But yes, I agree with you, CW now clearly very anthropophobic which sheds some light on past attitudes I think.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: brasca on 09 Dec 2016, 04:48
Also, quite frankly, Bubbles has leverage over Corpse Witch, now, by having demonstrated the ability and willingness to kill her.

The tactic that CW has been using is, essentially, "stay with me or you won't get the encryption key". The thing with that, there's no way to win that by playing by CW's game - stay, CW will never give it to her because it's leverage. Leave, CW won't give it to her. Bubbles cannot win (clearly Bubbles wants the key).

Threaten to kill CW, on the other hand, and then Bubbles has an in - "give me the key, or you die". It's an ugly, ugly route, but she's already gone down it now - she literally just threatened CW's life. And, the thing is, if CW doesn't give up the key under that kind of threat? Bubbles isn't getting it under any circumstances anyway.

Perhaps, but if Corpse Witch suspects that Bubbles might go so far as to kill her she could warn that she has plenty of associates who could unlock those memories if she met an untimely end.  Moreover, unless Bubbles had a justifiable reason for killing her she'd be sent to robot prison for murder so she'd be both incarcerated and tormented by memories that are so bad she wants them locked away. 
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: blt on 09 Dec 2016, 04:57
Those last two panels - is that a yes or a no, do you reckon?
Whatever it is, that smug smile is gone from CW's face. She's no longer confident that she's in control, no longer sure how things will go.

This makes me happy.

I don't know... that final panel looks like a tiny smug smile to me.  She definitely thinks she's still winning.

The idea that you can forcibly encrypt away AI memories is strange though.  Maybe it can only be done by the AI themselves and then the key given away, but if not it's only a short hop from that to memory stealing/modifying AI personalities which seems off given how we understand how AI works in this universe.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: BenRG on 09 Dec 2016, 05:01
Moreover, unless Bubbles had a justifiable reason for killing her she'd be sent to robot prison for murder...

That is assuming that Bubbles isn't smart enough, or capable enough an engineer, to make it look like an unfortunate hardware failure in an old and primitive chassis. A tragedy; Bubbles will, of course, fully cooperate with any investigation into the circumstances. However, it does seem that, possibly due to her debatably-legal lifestyle, Corpse Witch had neglected her proper chassis inspection and certification schedule.

Cold? Yes, but a soldier is trained to pull a trigger on an enemy, no matter whether or not they were shot at first.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: WareWolf on 09 Dec 2016, 05:33
So, what we know is:

1) Bubbles has "people" who likely mean her harm. Would "people" include other AI's? Maybe, but I tend to think not. I thin CW would have used different wording if so.

2) Bubbles has memories she voluntarily "locked away" and gave the key to Corpse Witch. Could be memories she can't/won't face. Or it could be information that she can't delete that makes her to dangerous to leave alive, so she thinks she can bargain her way out of it by telling the powers that be she can't get to it if they ever catch up to her. Or she's already made that bargain, and if CW unlocks them, she'll then tell the PTB and they'll send someone even scarier than Bubbles to clean up the mess.

I dunno, just plot-storming here. Stay tuned.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: brasca on 09 Dec 2016, 05:57
Moreover, unless Bubbles had a justifiable reason for killing her she'd be sent to robot prison for murder...

That is assuming that Bubbles isn't smart enough, or capable enough an engineer, to make it look like an unfortunate hardware failure in an old and primitive chassis. A tragedy; Bubbles will, of course, fully cooperate with any investigation into the circumstances. However, it does seem that, possibly due to her debatably-legal lifestyle, Corpse Witch had neglected her proper chassis inspection and certification schedule.

Cold? Yes, but a soldier is trained to pull a trigger on an enemy, no matter whether or not they were shot at first.

She could get away with murder, but like I said if Corpse Witch meets with an untimely end what's to stop one of her associates from unlocking the memories or quite possibly a deadman's switch if she doesn't trust anyone to carry out posthumous deeds?  Bubbles would have her freedom, but be plagued with bad memories which is her primary motivation to continue working for Corpse Witch.   
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: BenRG on 09 Dec 2016, 06:02
Bubbles needs to confront those memories; ideally in a controlled environment with the close assistance of one or more of the God AIs like Station. However, if that option doesn't open itself to her then that is just the way the dice have fallen. Running away from them has done nothing good for her and continuing to run can do nothing good.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: jwhouk on 09 Dec 2016, 06:10
..and no one has made the connection as to how similar Bubbles situation is to Faye's?

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Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Zebediah on 09 Dec 2016, 08:40
Speaking as someone who has memories I wish I could lock away, I understand how that could be a hold over Bubbles. The thing is, memories (even in an AI, apparently) aren't so neatly compartmentalized. Bubbles seems to still be aware that she's done something that she really doesn't want to remember, because she remembers how remembering it made her feel.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Kugai on 09 Dec 2016, 09:21
Interesting turn of events


I wonder just WHO the 'People' CW mentions are and just WHAT those locked away memories are.  I have a feeling it's gonna get a fair bit worse for Bubbles (and possibly Faye and the gang) before it gets better and Bubbles can work her way free of her past.

I hope it doesn't include the 'Ending' of Bubbles.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: JimC on 09 Dec 2016, 09:24
Now here's a thought for you all. CW appears to have a very simplistic chassis, and is notably anthropophobic or at least highly distrusting of humans. Could she have a back story of being a very early AI, pre AI rights, and been subject to appalling treatment, 'racism', discrimination, and so on, maybe highly involved with a presumed battle for AI rights? Could this character get a little less one dimensional and more sympathetic?

And now lets imagine this character, who started life out as a slave, because presumably that's how early AIs must have been treated, has fought for freedom,  then fought to build up some kind of business, no doubt in the face of all sorts of prejudice and hatred, and now is faced with this human who's marched in, treats her premises as her own bringing in charity jobs without permission and then repeats the offence, albeit with a marginal payment... And now this human assaults CW as if CW was still just another no good slave AI, which is, lets frankly, the third thing she's done which would under UK employment law warrant summary dismissal...

Could a character with that kind of back story deserve a bit more sympathetic treatment at our hands? We may call ex freedom fighters good guys - at least if we agree with their cause - but I'm not sure they are very often nice guys...

I'll put down my devil's advocate hat now!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 09 Dec 2016, 09:59
Two thoughts.
One - Bubbles is running away from the past, or at the very least, locked her memories of that past away. In doing so, the fear of the past is worst than the actual event. She can't even acknowledge the feelings/memories and attempt to work to move on. Instead, it's festering and making the problem worse. She's hiding and she's doing it in the shadow of someone like Corpse Witch.

Two - Does CW not know the basic rule of blackmail? You do not threaten to take away everything from the person you are blackmailing, they will realise that they have nothing left to lose. And that their problems can be solved by a little murder. All CW has done now is paint another target on herself.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Mordhaus on 09 Dec 2016, 10:18
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 09 Dec 2016, 13:02
..and no one has made the connection as to how similar Bubbles situation is to Faye's?

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I was about to. Both have assaulted Corpse Witch. Only one got fired.

Hmm.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: themacnut on 09 Dec 2016, 13:32
CW has nothing on Faye, and was probably all too happy to be rid of her with all the trouble she caused. Bubbles, on the other hand, she wants to keep around.

Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 09 Dec 2016, 13:49
Mayhaps Corpse Witch and Bubbles are fragments of the same AI, split to save the original AI from cascade failings over its actions in combat.

CW's manipulations is that of someone wishing to keep their other half close by and fearful of their other half leaving them.

Take that how you will because I am too tired to elaborate.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: brasca on 09 Dec 2016, 14:28
Bubbles needs to confront those memories; ideally in a controlled environment with the close assistance of one or more of the God AIs like Station. However, if that option doesn't open itself to her then that is just the way the dice have fallen. Running away from them has done nothing good for her and continuing to run can do nothing good.

That's easier said than done especially for humans.  People can suffer traumatizing memories that will last the rest of their lives, but have one advantage in that such things fade over time.  An AI would likely remember every single detail of what happened without any degradation and because they are effectively immortal such memories will haunt them for eternity.  I cannot blame Bubbles in the least for taking the steps she did to lock away her memories. 
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: pwhodges on 09 Dec 2016, 15:02
The presumption in this discussion seems to be that Corpse Witch can forcibly decrypt Bubbles's memories if she wishes.  What reason have we to suppose that she could?  Or is the presumption that Bubbles is so determined to keep potential access to her locked away memories that she won't risk having Corpse Witch destroy the key (in which case the same puzzle applies to how it comes about that CW has removed the key from Bubbles).  It would be easier to suppose that CW and Bubbles are friends who agreed over this arrangement - but then the blackmail feels out of place.

I'm still completely unclear how Jeph is going to make this play out.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: themacnut on 09 Dec 2016, 16:09
It seems to me that Bubbles encrypted part of her own memories, which she keeps within her own body, but gave the encryption key to Corpse Witch so she could avoid the temptation of accessing those memories. Why she gave the key to CW of all people I don't know, maybe she felt there was no one better she could trust at the time. Hopefully Jeph will go into greater depth about this arrangement in future installments.

In that case, I don't think the threat is to forcefully decrypt Bubble's memories against her will (CW would need direct access to Bubble's body for that which wouldn't be at all easy), but rather that CW would delete/destroy/lose the key, so Bubbles no longer has any chance of accessing those memories she locked away. Either she is reluctant to completely delete those memories, or she simply can't, probably due to the way her brain is built or the way memories are stored in that brain.

Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: hedgie on 09 Dec 2016, 16:30
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.

Given that we're dealing with AIs, the scary devil monastery (a.s.r) version seems more fitting:
"I've seen Sun monitors on fire off the side of the multimedia lab.
 I've seen NTU lights glitter in the dark near the Mail Gate.
 All these things will be lost in time, like the root partition last
 week.  Time to die
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 09 Dec 2016, 17:53
The other similarity between Faye and Bubbles is continued dysfunction after grief and likely survivor guilt.

Which leads to a wonderfully random bit of speculation. What if Bubbles fell into the AI equivalent of a substance abuse problem after she left the service? If she's beaten an addiction on her own it would explain the ferocity of her reaction to Faye going off the wagon.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 09 Dec 2016, 18:33
Mayhaps Corpse Witch and Bubbles are fragments of the same AI, split to save the original AI from cascade failings over its actions in combat.

CW's manipulations is that of someone wishing to keep their other half close by and fearful of their other half leaving them.

Take that how you will because I am too tired to elaborate.

Okay, to expand on my thought.

What if Bubbles originally was going through some PDST episode that seriously left her in danger of her core being irreparably damaged. In order to prevent permanent damage, a technique was used to break down the key elements of the Original Bubbles AI, placing the resultant AIs into two separate chassis. CW is the Id of the AI, the emotional and instinctive part. In turn, Bubbles as she is now, is the Superego, the logical and intellectual reasoning aspect. In the wake of the split, CW became the more controlling of the two, no longer fettered by the Superego and in turn, Bubbles has lost some of that drive.

The problem now is that the two AI aspects are starting to diverge more and more, through Bubbles friendship with Faye, she's becoming more emotional again, more balanced. And CW can't have that, because on some level she knows that on her own, she can't survive and thus has sought to manipulate Bubbles into staying.

In that way, CW is the encryption key. She's asking if Bubbles is really willing to kill a part of herself.

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Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: brasca on 09 Dec 2016, 18:55
Interesting theory.  Reminds me of Fight Club and not just because this all takes place at a robot fighting arena.  I suppose this makes Corpse Witch Tyler Durden except that she's not a figment of Bubble's imagination. 
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 09 Dec 2016, 20:41
If AI memories can be encrypted, they can be edited. Which brings us to a "Ghost in the Shell" level of not being able to trust what's in your own head.

Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: jheartney on 09 Dec 2016, 21:33
It seems to me that Bubbles encrypted part of her own memories, which she keeps within her own body, but gave the encryption key to Corpse Witch so she could avoid the temptation of accessing those memories. Why she gave the key to CW of all people I don't know, maybe she felt there was no one better she could trust at the time. Hopefully Jeph will go into greater depth about this arrangement in future installments.

In that case, I don't think the threat is to forcefully decrypt Bubble's memories against her will (CW would need direct access to Bubble's body for that which wouldn't be at all easy), but rather that CW would delete/destroy/lose the key, so Bubbles no longer has any chance of accessing those memories she locked away. Either she is reluctant to completely delete those memories, or she simply can't, probably due to the way her brain is built or the way memories are stored in that brain.

None of those scenarios make any sense. If CW's hold over Bubbles is ownership of an encryption code, it would be simplicity itself for Bubbles to beat the secret out of CW. Nor does it make any sense that Bubbles would have voluntarily handed the encryption code over to CW, given that the result is essentially indentured servitude for Bubbles. WRT the idea that AI memories can't be deleted, that fact wouldn't matter if you could hide them behind some strong encryption and then lose the key. Nor would non-eraseable memory make sense for AI's with indefinite life spans - they'd be running out of storage for their undeletable memories after some stretch of time.

I'm betting Jeph never explains the exact mechanics of whatever this encrypted memory business is; he may just leave it at saying that CW has some sort of hold over Bubbles based on some sort of secret data.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Mr. Skawronska on 09 Dec 2016, 23:24
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.

Quite an experience to live in fear, isn't it?  That's what it is to be a slave.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: riccostar on 10 Dec 2016, 00:05
Echoing previous comments that note that at least in theory you can't keep someone in place by threatening to not do something if they leave (e.g. if you leave I won't give you the loan, I won't decrypt your memories, etc.) in order to keep someone in place you have to threaten to affirmatively do something if they leave (e.g. if you leave I'll imprison your son, release your memories back into your head, etc.).  If you attempt to do this by threatening to not do something, the threatened party should realize that, as that action is important leverage, the person issuing the threat will never take the action anyway because it would mean losing leverage (unless there are circumstances in which the threatening party will lose interest or a time limit on the weight of the leverage).  In this case, the party threatened will have to take action against the threatening party, often in the form of violence, in order to attempt to force the action to be taken.

Also, for the sake of simplicity in continuity, I think Jeph will not reveal the mechanics behind this threat.  Doing so sets up too many tripwires in the future that he'll have to avoid.

To me, Corpse Witch has seemed suspiciously one-dimensional.  I hope Jeph will open up her character a bit more in the future, perhaps in backstory.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: jheartney on 10 Dec 2016, 09:51
I know I should stop thinking about this, but I can't help it. Anyway, here's my latest stab at a backstory consistent with the comic's dialogue:

The people Bubbles sought refuge from, and the memory encryption, are two unrelated issues.

For the first, it could be the Pentagon, or at least a skunk works within the military, that wants Bubbles' chassis back. This would explain CW's earlier threat to get Bubbles de-chassised. If Bubbles ends her association with CW, CW could call them up and tell them where Bubbles is.

The memories that are encrypted could be painful ones about her former unit. Both the pleasant memories of good times with them, as well as the PTSD-inducing ones about their gruesome deaths, could be tied together. Perhaps Bubbles hopes to be able to integrate those memories back into herself after some passage of time. For now, though, they are locked away and only CW has the key.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: blt on 10 Dec 2016, 10:18
JimC, I hope your CW theory/backstory ends up coming true.  Sure it's a bit dark but I'd rather that giving her a bit of depth than "oh she's just a nasty pink robot".


Also, in terms of the people from whom CW gave Bubbles refuge, does it really have to be some big government entity hunting her down?  If it was, that would probably provide enough leverage for that to be CW's main threat.

It may just be Bubbles needed refuge from the outside world.  We've seen it before with the teens.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: retrosteve on 10 Dec 2016, 11:56

Well that took a dark turn


I just came here to ask what people generally thought of the darkness that QC is becoming.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Mr. Doctor on 10 Dec 2016, 12:05
Just  for the sake of having a wild thought: Maybe Bubbles straight up killed civilians by mistake and shit went south (plus most of her crew dying as well)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: cesium133 on 10 Dec 2016, 12:06

Well that took a dark turn


I just came here to ask what people generally thought of the darkness that QC is becoming.

Don't worry. Monday's comic will be Pintsize sexually experimenting with the toaster AI from the mall.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: hedgie on 10 Dec 2016, 13:18
Hopefully, Jeph doesn't forget his early Patreon post this week.  I was going through withdrawal, Saturday last.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Tova on 10 Dec 2016, 15:33
I'm betting Jeph never explains the exact mechanics of whatever this encrypted memory business is; he may just leave it at saying that CW has some sort of hold over Bubbles based on some sort of secret data.

I sort of hope this is true, because all the confident theories I'm reading are not 100% convincing to me.

The popular theory seems to be that CW has encrypted some memories of Bubbles that are too traumatic to be endured, and that CW is threatening to unencrypt them. But I have questions. How does that mesh with "defaulting on memories?" How can CW unencrypt Bubbles' memories against her will? How does CW unencrypting those memories force them onto Bubbles? Why can't, or couldn't, Bubbles encrypt them herself?

Another theory is that Bubbles wants the key that CW is holding so that she can access memories that she previously locked away. That meshes a bit better with what CW said, but I'm not seeing that Bubbles currently wants those memories back. Also, if this is the correct scenario, CW already has the key, so what is she threatening in that case? She can't take away something she already has. Or did she promise to give Bubbles the key at a future time or event, which she is now hinting she will not do, or be able to do if she is killed? How can Bubbles trust that she would hold to that, in that case?

Yet another theory, and one that I don't think I've yet seen, is that a third party has access to the memories, but cannot decrypt them because CW has the key. In this scenario, CW is threatening to hand the key to the third party, which would lead to them discovering what the memories contain, causing repercussions for Bubbles. This meshes well with the threat of "defaulting on memories," and also with May's speculation that Bubbles is not innocent. But how did this third party get access to these encrypted memories, anyway?

It's all a bit vague and confusing, and I suspect that this is deliberate. We may well find out more in the future, or the hold CW has over Bubbles may be broken without us learning the details.

My feeling is that the solution will not be technological, regardless of the mechanism of this threat. The challenge for Bubbles will be for her to properly confront the demons of her past and, in so doing, release the hold that CW has over her. That would seem to fit the general theme of Bubbles' overall story arc.

/braindump
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: riccostar on 10 Dec 2016, 16:45
Another thought is that the memories contain betrayal by humans, possibly humans sacrificing AIs in military conflict to save their own lives.  if (probably when) Bubbles recovers those memories we might see a plot twist where Bubbles then relapses and also has to face a deep seated distrust in humans much like CW.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 10 Dec 2016, 17:13
Another thought is that the memories contain betrayal by humans, possibly humans sacrificing AIs in military conflict to save their own lives.  if (probably when) Bubbles recovers those memories we might see a plot twist where Bubbles then relapses and also has to face a deep seated distrust in humans much like CW.

Which throws away all the development Bubbles underwent in regards to her friendship with Faye. Were those memories that were locked away restored, I doubt they would overwrite the memories developed in the meanwhile. Rather, Bubbles' struggle would then be reconciling with the old memories with the new.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Morituri on 10 Dec 2016, 23:55
No one has ever claimed that the memories in question are Bubbles' own. 

There is an entire other dimension of possibilities if you just imagine that Bubbles may fear the revelation of someone else's memories.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: BenRG on 11 Dec 2016, 01:17
I don't think that Corpse Witch is threatening to unencrypt Bubbles' traumatic memories. It's more nuanced than that. Right now, Bubbles doesn't want to deal with them but the fact that she didn't tell Corpse Witch to just delete the key immediately suggests to me that she wants the option open to confront those memories in her own due time. What Corpse Witch is threatening to do is to take that option away by deleting the key.

I suspect that there is also the possibility that Corpse Witch could be threatening to broadcast the key on an open frequency and then unlock and then reseal the memories at random occasions as an attempt to mentally torture Bubbles.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Tova on 11 Dec 2016, 02:03
No one has ever claimed that the memories in question are Bubbles' own. 

At least a couple of people have done so, either implicitly or explicitly.

There is an entire other dimension of possibilities if you just imagine that Bubbles may fear the revelation of someone else's memories.

Yes, definitely.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Zog on 11 Dec 2016, 03:43
What if she had CW store the memories simply because they were to painful to remember , but CW has convinced her it was because she did something horrible. Maybe she even suspects that this is true and is even more afraid to lose them because of that.

I realized that it was not easy to see here that I meant she suspected that Corpsewitch was lying about the "something horrible".
Also my take on the key thing was that Bubbles had encrypted the data in her own memory, but that that type of encryption was only meant to hide it from someone else who got access to an AI's memory. If they tried to access it themselves it would be automatically decrypted. (most AIs would not need to hide memories from themselves). So she gave Corpsewitch the key and deleted her copy so that she could retain the memories without being ambushed by them. The "people" thing may also have have been an invention of CW.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: retrosteve on 11 Dec 2016, 07:19
I don't think that Corpse Witch is threatening to unencrypt Bubbles' traumatic memories. It's more nuanced than that. Right now, Bubbles doesn't want to deal with them but the fact that she didn't tell Corpse Witch to just delete the key immediately suggests to me that she wants the option open to confront those memories in her own due time. What Corpse Witch is threatening to do is to take that option away by deleting the key.

I suspect that there is also the possibility that Corpse Witch could be threatening to broadcast the key on an open frequency and then unlock and then reseal the memories at random occasions as an attempt to mentally torture Bubbles.

The first is precisely my reading of the threat. The second is speculative but I wouldn't put it past CW to think of it if she were pissed off.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 11 Dec 2016, 08:18
Of course, Corpse Witch could be a literal form of the Dead Man's Switch.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 11 Dec 2016, 21:30
Corpse Witch held up her hand to her face after Faye punched her. Why? Presumably they have damage sensors but Jeph has said they don't perceive it as pain the way meat-based people do.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 11 Dec 2016, 22:00
Her face was dented where Faye punched her. You can clearly see the dent in the final two panels of last Friday's comic, and in 3366. Robots may not feel pain the way humans do, but they still know when they have been damaged.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Tova on 11 Dec 2016, 22:04
AIs may not perceive pain the way organic lifeforms do, but they probably do have some kind of damage sensing mechanism, and as such, the reflex to touch the damaged part may be very similar.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 12 Dec 2016, 07:40
Pintsize never has, but then he doesn't really have hands.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 12 Dec 2016, 08:04
Pintsize never has, but then he doesn't really have hands.

And for that fact alone, we and the rest of humanity are eternally grateful.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 12 Dec 2016, 16:44
We don't know why AIs can't be copied, or why less than satisfactory ones can't be deleted. So I don't think we'll ever know how the memory encryption works.

I join those hoping that Bubbles will be able to face those memories one day.

Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Method of Madness on 12 Dec 2016, 16:48
We don't really know that they can't, we know they can be moved from one chassis to another.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Gyrre on 12 Dec 2016, 17:15
So, what if Detective Basilisk was friends with one of Bubbles' troop and knew Bubbles before she served? And what if Bubbles'memory of Roko was removed and stored along with the rest of said memories?

That might account for Roko's recklessness.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: oddtail on 13 Dec 2016, 01:23
We don't know why AIs can't be copied, or why less than satisfactory ones can't be deleted.

I'm... not sure what you mean by the second part of the sentence. Surely they "can" be deleted. Why aren't they deleted? I'd assume it's the same reason "less satisfactory" humans are typically not killed.

QC treats AIs as basically sapient beings. Deleting them is the same as killing a person. Unless you meant something I didn't understand, and your post flew way over my head...
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 14 Dec 2016, 17:58
Yes, deleting an AI is like killing a  person. Not stated, but we have seen that strenuous efforts are made to find a niche for the likes of Gordon and Pintsize.

And if AIs could be copied, Winslow would have a million brothers.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016)
Post by: Gyrre on 15 Dec 2016, 01:48
Yes, deleting an AI is like killing a  person. Not stated, but we have seen that strenuous efforts are made to find a niche for the likes of Gordon and Pintsize.

And if AIs could be copied, Winslow would have a million brothers.

If I lived in the QC-verse, Gordon could crash at my place.
(He's the arachno-PC, right?)