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Title: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: brasca on 01 Jan 2017, 03:36
New year.  New month.  New poll.  And for me a new avatar.  I felt this was appropriate since Gavia is my favorite. 

Hopefully this strip will get back to 2 updates for week.  2016 was disappointing and I'm not all that enthusiastic about 2017 so I need some pick-me-ups. 
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: BenRG on 01 Jan 2017, 04:44
Not a 'rocketship' but some means to get to the space habitats in a way that is actually obvious in hindsight like a point-to-point teleporter or portal generator. Remember that Ardent got to Earth thanks to the cooperation of an 'operator'. That doesn't sound like they necessarily need a classical spacecraft of some kind.

Either that or something entirely out of left field.

"What is this place, Alice?"

"HeLlo aNd agAiN wElcome to thE ApErture ScienCe ComPuTer-AIdeD EnrichMeNt CeNTeR..."
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: brasca on 01 Jan 2017, 04:55
Not a 'rocketship' but some means to get to the space habitats in a way that is actually obvious in hindsight like a point-to-point teleporter or portal generator. Remember that Ardent got to Earth thanks to the cooperation of an 'operator'. That doesn't sound like they necessarily need a classical spacecraft of some kind.

Either that or something entirely out of left field.

"What is this place, Alice?"

"HeLlo aNd agAiN wElcome to thE ApErture ScienCe ComPuTer-AIdeD EnrichMeNt CeNTeR..."

Possibly, but the scientists of the time when the bunker was sealed may not have developed working teleporters and while Ardent can upgrade certain technology I'm not sure what he could upgrade into a matter transporter.  Besides Alice seems to think that there are rocketships to be found in the bunkers and she'd know best since she was probably there at the time. 
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: FunkyTuba on 01 Jan 2017, 21:15
Jeph was saying on twtr that he has built up a 2wk QC buffer and had more than that scripted. hopefully he'll be able to spread some of that banked work over to alice

Edit: perhaps I'm being weird here, but rereading this cold it comes across back to me as sounding entitled, which was not my intention... Jeph of course is free to deploy the fruits of his industriousness in any way that works for him and I'm glad he's in a super-productive phase 👍
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: Skewbrow on 08 Jan 2017, 08:16
This scene reminds of the passage from the old adventure game Space Quest II. The only (IIRC) way through a maze of tunnels was for the protagonist to keep a glowing gem in his mouth (something he first had to find from an underwater cave in the swamps).
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: retrosteve on 08 Jan 2017, 11:21
This scene reminds of the passage from the old adventure game Space Quest II. The only (IIRC) way through a maze of tunnels was for the protagonist to keep a glowing gem in his mouth (something he first had to find from an underwater cave in the swamps).

And it reminds me of Digger (TM) from 1983. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAlxnHRoGfM
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: JimC on 08 Jan 2017, 11:42
Mmm, sure its something of a platform game homage. Prince of Persia springs to mind. Watch out for spike traps children...
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: brasca on 08 Jan 2017, 12:06
This scene reminds of the passage from the old adventure game Space Quest II. The only (IIRC) way through a maze of tunnels was for the protagonist to keep a glowing gem in his mouth (something he first had to find from an underwater cave in the swamps).

And it reminds me of Digger (TM) from 1983. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAlxnHRoGfM

Or Dig Dug https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KroREmHLoKY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KroREmHLoKY)

And while I can understand Alice's response I'd like an answer to that question.  The simple answer is the hangar door isn't buried so far deep underground, but it would take years to locate it. 

One thing I can conclude from looking at this is Sedna has recovered from her injuries to the extent that she can jump to the bottom of the shaft like Alice instead of using a ladder.  I also have to wonder if the damage we see is due to Alice punching a hole in the bunker or if it was like this at the time of the blink. 
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: BenRG on 08 Jan 2017, 13:15
Launch silos probably; deep ones but nonetheless just silos. Think about the hardened Gunstar launch tubes in The Last Starfighter.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: Kugai on 08 Jan 2017, 15:19
Probably using Magnetic Lauch Rails as well

And at least Alice is not being overly intimidated by Pate
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: jheartney on 08 Jan 2017, 16:54
Perhaps Pate expects his super-strength servants to haul it all up. And Alice, seeing that's what's coming, is less than enthusiastic.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: Method of Madness on 08 Jan 2017, 20:52
Why do we have a new thread every month again? (Yeah, I know I complain about forgetting to check every month)
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: jwhouk on 08 Jan 2017, 21:00
It was because Jeph originally made the comic for a once-a-week thing, so the decision was made to make the thread a monthly discussion thread.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: Method of Madness on 08 Jan 2017, 21:03
I don't mean as opposed to weekly, I mean why not just have a single ongoing thread? Or maybe yearly since it's the first one of 2017.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: brasca on 08 Jan 2017, 22:30
After reading the latest Questionable Content I'm thinking they'll find a matter transporter that will malfunction and Gavia is sent back into the ancient past, but at least she has a job working for the MIB.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: JimC on 09 Jan 2017, 02:22
, I mean why not just have a single ongoing thread?
Kinda handy though ifyou want to go back and look at discussion related to a particular issue or even follow a story arc.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: BenRG on 09 Jan 2017, 02:37
After reading the latest Questionable Content I'm thinking they'll find a matter transporter that will malfunction and Gavia is sent back into the ancient past, but at least she has a job working for the MIB.

It's been absolutely established by Jeph (repeatedly) that AG and QC are separate universes.

That said, I wouldn't say no if we start seeing the cross-dimensional counterparts of the same characters the way David M Willis uses characters from his two continuities - The same people living different lives in different worlds. How different would Gavia be if she was born on Earth in a world where synthetic AIs and biological intelligences lived, if not in harmony, at least in peace?
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: brasca on 09 Jan 2017, 05:09
I know, but it's still fun to imagine.  And the resemblance is just too uncanny to just dismiss it without a comment. 

Somehow I can see a Gavia doppleganger being a potential love interest for Clinton.  They both like augmenting themselves with machinery.  Perhaps they'd meet in a waiting room awaiting the next upgrade. 

Why do we have a new thread every month again? (Yeah, I know I complain about forgetting to check every month)

Seeing as how it's been this way since the start I don't see why changing it is necessary. 
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: pwhodges on 09 Jan 2017, 05:57
The weekly QC threads cover 5 strips; the monthly Alice threads initially covered 8 strips, but that's currently 4 until such time as a bi-weekly schedule resumes, if it does.  Seems reasonable parity of treatment to me.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: Method of Madness on 09 Jan 2017, 06:51
It's been absolutely established by Jeph (repeatedly) that AG and QC are separate universes.
Maybe it's the same multiverse, and the pre-Blink is the QCverse (with the Blink happening quite some time, possibly thousands of years, after QC).

Also me wanting a yearly thread instead of monthly is just me being lazy and forgetful, no need to pay it any mind.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: Kugai on 09 Jan 2017, 14:18
, I mean why not just have a single ongoing thread?
Kinda handy though ifyou want to go back and look at discussion related to a particular issue or even follow a story arc.

And it allows us to have a new Poll every month  :-D
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: Method of Madness on 09 Jan 2017, 15:18
You can edit polls :P But fair enough.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: A small perverse otter on 09 Jan 2017, 15:32
Not a 'rocketship' but some means to get to the space habitats in a way that is actually obvious in hindsight like a point-to-point teleporter or portal generator. Remember that Ardent got to Earth thanks to the cooperation of an 'operator'. That doesn't sound like they necessarily need a classical spacecraft of some kind.

Either that or something entirely out of left field.

"What is this place, Alice?"

"HeLlo aNd agAiN wElcome to thE ApErture ScienCe ComPuTer-AIdeD EnrichMeNt CeNTeR..."

Possibly, but the scientists of the time when the bunker was sealed may not have developed working teleporters and while Ardent can upgrade certain technology I'm not sure what he could upgrade into a matter transporter.  Besides Alice seems to think that there are rocketships to be found in the bunkers and she'd know best since she was probably there at the time.

I assumed that Alice used to throw them up into orbit.  We know that she can Punch holes in reinforced concrete, jump thouands of feet in the air, and take incredible impacts. Why can't she just throw things into near-earth orbit?
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: brasca on 09 Jan 2017, 16:08
Not a 'rocketship' but some means to get to the space habitats in a way that is actually obvious in hindsight like a point-to-point teleporter or portal generator. Remember that Ardent got to Earth thanks to the cooperation of an 'operator'. That doesn't sound like they necessarily need a classical spacecraft of some kind.

Either that or something entirely out of left field.

"What is this place, Alice?"

"HeLlo aNd agAiN wElcome to thE ApErture ScienCe ComPuTer-AIdeD EnrichMeNt CeNTeR..."

Possibly, but the scientists of the time when the bunker was sealed may not have developed working teleporters and while Ardent can upgrade certain technology I'm not sure what he could upgrade into a matter transporter.  Besides Alice seems to think that there are rocketships to be found in the bunkers and she'd know best since she was probably there at the time.

I assumed that Alice used to throw them up into orbit.  We know that she can Punch holes in reinforced concrete, jump thouands of feet in the air, and take incredible impacts. Why can't she just throw things into near-earth orbit?

Interesting theory, but Alice intended to go into orbit with Ardent and Gavia so she could see what the praeses are planning which she couldn't do if she just tossed a capsule into space with them inside.  She must know something about piloting a spaceship. 
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: SubaruStephen on 09 Jan 2017, 20:27
Has the link to Alice Grove disappeared from the QC main paige?

I can't find it. :psyduck:
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: jwhouk on 09 Jan 2017, 21:45
It apparently has disappeared...
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: retrosteve on 10 Jan 2017, 13:44
Has anyone noticed that QC's subject matter is starting more and more to resemble Alice's? The universes may be forever separate but the genres are merging.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: Kugai on 10 Jan 2017, 14:51
Convergence is upon us.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: Method of Madness on 10 Jan 2017, 18:10
The universes may be forever separate
Forever is a very long time.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: jwhouk on 11 Jan 2017, 06:43
The universes may be forever separate
Forever is a very long time.
You mean, "Forever is a mighty long time," right?

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Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: Method of Madness on 11 Jan 2017, 07:40
...no? Nighty? Huh?

(Even if you meant mighty, I'm missing the reference)
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: jwhouk on 11 Jan 2017, 12:11
...no? Nighty? Huh?

(Even if you meant mighty, I'm missing the reference)
I'd say to go ask the purple guy about the quote, but sadly the elevator broke him down.

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Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: Method of Madness on 11 Jan 2017, 21:17
Someone else feel like explaining?
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: Kugai on 11 Jan 2017, 22:06
Anyone else notice the Alice Grove link has disappeared off the QC Home Page?
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: wlewisiii on 11 Jan 2017, 22:07
Someone else feel like explaining?

Lyric from Prince's song Let's go Crazy.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: derech on 12 Jan 2017, 07:54
Looks like Church didn't use the ladder but used his here--  ?  -->there deal to move from one to the other.     

Still wonder how much else he can actually do, how much they need Alice et al to do everything else.   

Although it's pretty clear Alice doesn't want to get into any sorts of physical altercations with him either way.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: TinPenguin on 13 Jan 2017, 09:58
Looks like Church didn't use the ladder but used his here--  ?  -->there deal to move from one to the other.

Or he is carefuly watching Alice and Sedna to be sure they don't kill Pate on the way down, before following.

Also, wow, that is a slow conversation.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: brasca on 13 Jan 2017, 19:21
Maybe Alice was trying to think of a good comeback, but after so many minutes the best she could come up with was "go fuck yourself."
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: jheartney on 14 Jan 2017, 22:15
Just thought I'd mention that the layout of the underground strip reminds me of the labyrinth levels of the old "Beyond Dark Castle" game. We'll have to see if they run into any mutants, rats or snakes.

And yes, the Alice Grove link has gone from the Questionable Content current page. It's still there if you go to a previous strip page, though.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: hitmiccs on 15 Jan 2017, 06:12
Hi everyone - hope I can contribute to the topic, as soon as I get my thoughts together :)

I can still see the picture-link (Alice Grove in a box with green background) to the comic below the actual QC strip, though.

: I give it a try, for the "No rocketship but answers to our many questions"-point. I don't see why there should be a rocket in this bunker exactly, as there should be plenty of them left from the pre-blink era (if not collapsed or otherwise destroyed). Sure enough, not all bunkers have been build for the purpose of launching rockets, if they just found one of these - okay, but it would be hell of a coincidence.

I rather believe they'll find the remains of a command center or something like that, probably with a defunct computer system which has the last message of one of the officials stored on it. If there were some left after the blink, which probably "removed" all of the subjects responsible and/or needed for the matter of fighting (technicians, engineers, and so on), they probably left a message - if the machinery was still operable (as told in an earlier strip, a lot of stuff didn't work anymore after the blink) for those who came afterwards.

That's all for now ^^
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: Kugai on 15 Jan 2017, 13:32
I can still see the picture-link (Alice Grove in a box with green background) to the comic below the actual QC strip, though.

That's odd because that was the Link I was meaning when I Posted and it seems to have disappeared on the Homepage for me.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: jheartney on 15 Jan 2017, 18:09
Comic up. Looks like they've found an orbiter. Now, I think i'd be a little leery of jumping into a 5000 year old spacecraft; not sure what the condition of the rubber seals would be. They'd also need to replace all the batteries and retest all the electronics. And that's without considering getting it fueled, and the rocket motors tested.

One literal ray of light seems to be coming from in front of the craft. Could those be hanger doors?
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: brasca on 15 Jan 2017, 18:18
Comic up. Looks like they've found an orbiter. Now, I think i'd be a little leery of jumping into a 5000 year old spacecraft; not sure what the condition of the rubber seals would be. They'd also need to replace all the batteries and retest all the electronics. And that's without considering getting it fueled, and the rocket motors tested.

One literal ray of light seems to be coming from in front of the craft. Could those be hanger doors?

Ardent's upgrade should fix any decay.

I think that's the super flashlight. If not those archaeophiles went to a lot of extra trouble.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: Tova on 15 Jan 2017, 20:40
What do you say when you find three holes in the ground?
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: BenRG on 15 Jan 2017, 23:20
Humph! Just a common-or-garden Earth-to-Orbit SSTO shuttle. Oh well, I suppose that there's something to be said for the classics.

Are... we allowed to call their floaty light thingy 'Navi'?
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: brasca on 16 Jan 2017, 05:06
I suppose it goes without saying that Pate is arrogant.  Having Church knock down the door like that risked crushing the very thing he seeks, but I seeing as how Ardent's ability seems to rearrange the very structure of the thing he touches I suppose it doesn't matter and he knows it. 

So we can confirm that there is a spaceship in the bunker, but it being so deep underground it seems like it might not be launched through a silo.  Perhaps the people of the past used matter transporters to beam warships directly into space. 
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: Skewbrow on 16 Jan 2017, 10:06
Are those charger cables or fuel lines leading to the belly of the rocket/shuttle/orbiter/whatnot? You would think that anything flammable has evaporated ages ago. Possibly leaving some gunk behind.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: A small perverse otter on 16 Jan 2017, 10:51

Comic up. Looks like they've found an orbiter. Now, I think i'd be a little leery of jumping into a 5000 year old spacecraft; not sure what the condition of the rubber seals would be. They'd also need to replace all the batteries and retest all the electronics. And that's without considering getting it fueled, and the rocket motors tested.

One literal ray of light seems to be coming from in front of the craft. Could those be hanger doors?
Alice, Sedna, and Church are all at least 5000 years old, and they work just fine.  Whatever the pre-blink finks were or did, they sure built to last...

Ardent's upgrade should fix any decay.

I think that's the super flashlight. If not those archaeophiles went to a lot of extra trouble.
Ooooh...Ardent's nano-upgrade tool applied to a near-earth orbiter.  FTL transport, here we come!
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: derech on 16 Jan 2017, 11:16
So we finally get to see Church directly break something big.    Rather curious Pate hadn't already just used him to retrieve this  (since Church's bulldozing ability might seem to make Alice and Sedna not necessary).  I guess something about Gavia and/or Ardent presented an opportunity or timing that didn't exist before.   Or maybe Pate just wanted to use Alice and Sedna like he's using Church,  as resources for...  something else.      The way the door is bypassed doesn't look like knocking the entire thing backwards at high speed.   A more surgical, get the door out of the way sort of thing.  Relying on Ardent in case a flying door hit a shuttle seems more than just arrogant and risky, seems foolish.  After all, instancing a flashlight into a floating light  isn't necessarily like magically repairing a smashed and crushed orbital shuttle.   Even if Pate thinks Ardent is capable, why test it, especially if this is the only well-preserved "easily" reachable shuttle.

There might be some other exit that used to open where ships could fly from or be launched out of, unless one part of all the Blink stuff was some other kind of ultra high-tech way of getting ships out from an hour's walk down.  Although given that the group had to physically take that hour to move down - and that there was a path to do so - at least suggests a more mundane physical answer.   Seems impractical to use cranes to lift them out, and too lengthy to disassemble and reassemble by pieces after all.      If the answer is there is some other exit for vehicles, it seems likely currently not easily reachable for actual ship-launching purposes.    That would seem to be a reason that Pate would need some large amount of assistance aside from Church to retrieve it, although of course retrieving it is just the first step of many that might need much more help even.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: hitmiccs on 16 Jan 2017, 12:43
If the answer is there is some other exit for vehicles, it seems likely currently not easily reachable for actual ship-launching purposes.

The underground "shuttle bay" looks like it could end in a mountain side-type exit/entryway - I guess this type of shuttle does not need to get propelled into orbit by a rocket, but provides the power by itself (guessing by the size of the booster exhausts). There could have been many of those ships, this shuttle bay looks huge... Other question: Why did the blink miss this ship and/or why is there exactly one ship left in this bunker, connected to those fuel lines/wires/whatever? If the blink was instantaneous, wouldn't there be many of those orbiters and if not, why is there a mile-long tunnel for a single ship underground?

: Oh, I missed the other ship which is covered by somethin on the right in the last panel - guess there are more ships left ^^
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: Kugai on 16 Jan 2017, 13:00
Now they've found the Transport Shuttle, the net task is to find something to fuel it with and getting the exit clear.   It looks like the Shuttle is some kind of Launch Tube/Bay.  It's going to be interesting to see where the exit is and how they're going ot dig it out if they have to.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: jheartney on 17 Jan 2017, 09:40
New hypothesis for why Pate is bringing Alice along: her pre-Blink skillset included piloting. Thus the question in last week's strip where Pate implied Alice knew how to get an orbiter out.

I concur with the idea that the hanger doors lead to an opening in a sheer cliff. So the archaeophiles weren't wasting their time - there was no way to get to the hanger entrance, or even know it was there. Once Pate & Co. force the doors open, it'll be a clear shot to orbit.

Like the way Jeph is taking advantage of an illustrated narrative's ability to effortlessly create large spaces. If this were cinema they'd have to either build a giant set or resort to CGI.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: BenRG on 17 Jan 2017, 09:43
My idea is similar but I'm imagining that Jeph already has a 'money shot' in mind where, as they approach the end of the electromagnetic launch rail, the hanger door doesn't open so they have to blow it open. The last panel is thus a dramatic shot of the shuttle emerging from a huge explosion.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: Neko_Ali on 17 Jan 2017, 11:11
I'm not convinced that Alice and Sedna were part of Pate's plan. He wants into orbit, so he needed the techno archaeologists to find a spacecraft. He knew in general at least about the existence of pre-war beings like Alice because of Church. But he never bothered to go collect them. It wasn't until Ardent came into play that he decided to get involved. I would say that he sees Ardent's ability as a shortcut to get into space. Now that he has an orbiter, he doesn't need to spend the time and expense to get it working if Ardent can do that with a touch. Alice and Sedna are complications. Without them he can easily force Ardent to do what he wants. He can't ignore them because they would keep coming after him to save Ardent. Forcing them to work for him though keeps them in line for a little while. Depending on how arrogant he is, he may think he can keep them under control in space. Or once the orbiter is working again he just might have Church buy him enough time to launch with only Ardent on board. He could just leave them all there and launch with just Church, but it seems unlikely that he would give up such potential power that Ardent represents.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: ConmanTheBarbarian on 17 Jan 2017, 14:38
Pate needs Church with him in orbit, to be able to demand things from the Praeses.
Maybe he wants to rule the solar system, or get a nanotech upgrade or  two for himself; longevity and Gavia's offensive/defensive powers for a start.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: jheartney on 17 Jan 2017, 18:01
Pate needs Church with him in orbit, to be able to demand things from the Praeses.
Maybe he wants to rule the solar system, or get a nanotech upgrade or  two for himself; longevity and Gavia's offensive/defensive powers for a start.

I think this is right. Pate and Church are a double-act, like Penn and Teller. Except in this case it's the shorter one who talks.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: jwhouk on 17 Jan 2017, 20:53
It'd be funny (and be a "kick the dog" moment) if he sacrifices Church to launch the spaceship...
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: BenRG on 17 Jan 2017, 23:32
Pate needs Church with him in orbit, to be able to demand things from the Praeses.

I would laugh my butt off if the first thing Cupressence says when they walk into its arboretum is: "Ah, Mr Pate. We've been waiting for you for a while; as you've noticed, we went to some small trouble to attract your attention and bring you here."
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: brasca on 18 Jan 2017, 04:40
I'm not convinced that Alice and Sedna were part of Pate's plan. He wants into orbit, so he needed the techno archaeologists to find a spacecraft. He knew in general at least about the existence of pre-war beings like Alice because of Church. But he never bothered to go collect them. It wasn't until Ardent came into play that he decided to get involved. I would say that he sees Ardent's ability as a shortcut to get into space. Now that he has an orbiter, he doesn't need to spend the time and expense to get it working if Ardent can do that with a touch. Alice and Sedna are complications. Without them he can easily force Ardent to do what he wants. He can't ignore them because they would keep coming after him to save Ardent. Forcing them to work for him though keeps them in line for a little while. Depending on how arrogant he is, he may think he can keep them under control in space. Or once the orbiter is working again he just might have Church buy him enough time to launch with only Ardent on board. He could just leave them all there and launch with just Church, but it seems unlikely that he would give up such potential power that Ardent represents.

Sedna may not have been part of the plan since she kept to herself so few people probably knew of her location, but I'm fairly certain Alice was always going to factor into Pate's plan.  Ardent and Gavia wouldn't have left on their own to find a spaceship without Alice leading them so if they stayed put in her village sooner or later Pate would've arrived with Church to persuade them.  Perhaps he was planning to visit when he received enough intelligence, but had to postpone it when Alice left the village.  If he didn't need Alice he could have just ordered Church to kill her there or after he revealed his intentions.  As for Sedna he doesn't have a need to kill her since Church easily outclasses her and since she's from the past she has valuable knowledge he could use so capturing her is just an unintended bonus.  He won't leave them behind because they could cause trouble while he's away and he needs hostages so that he can intimidate Ardent into doing his bidding.  Ardent might be willing to sacrifice his life to thwart their plans, but he wouldn't risk everyone else. 

Strange that there isn't a lot more dust after 5000 years, but it's like Pate said they knew how to build bunkers in the old days. 
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: Neko_Ali on 18 Jan 2017, 05:03
What I was saying though was that Alice isn't necessary for Pate to get what he wants. Ardent provides a possible short cut to get him into space, while Alice and Sedna are problems to him. Right now he has them managed. But she doesn't want to work for him, and the longer he keeps her around the more chance she has to do something about it. We don't know that Church could kill Alice and Sedna. He was able to hurt Sedna, but again it's back to we don't know what their real capabilities are.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: brasca on 18 Jan 2017, 05:48
What I was saying though was that Alice isn't necessary for Pate to get what he wants. Ardent provides a possible short cut to get him into space, while Alice and Sedna are problems to him. Right now he has them managed. But she doesn't want to work for him, and the longer he keeps her around the more chance she has to do something about it. We don't know that Church could kill Alice and Sedna. He was able to hurt Sedna, but again it's back to we don't know what their real capabilities are.

Yes, we don't know what Church's full potential is which means Pate might need her to pilot the spaceship.  Pate knows a lot about Alice, but she knows nothing of him and only recognized Church as being one of her kind.  Church showed no sign of recognition, but then again his expression rarely ever changes.  It's possible he told Pate everything he knows about the known immortals and if Alice knew how to pilot a spaceship and Church remembered this then most likely Pate knows too.  However, even if he doesn't need her to pilot the ship like Sedna she has knowledge of the past which makes her too valuable to dispose of like Ellie.  While it may be a bit of a juggle to keep two lesser powered immortals at arms length Alice and Sedna know what Pate is willing to do and what Church is physically capable of doing.  Keep in mind Sedna is still recovering from her injury so if breaking Gavia's arm isn't enough he might up the ante by ordering Church break to Alice's leg if she doesn't need it to fly the ship. 
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: Storel on 18 Jan 2017, 16:07
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: Kugai on 18 Jan 2017, 21:52
And we're really getting on with the show now

The big show

Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: A small perverse otter on 20 Jan 2017, 06:41
[Pate] could just leave them all there and launch with just Church, but it seems unlikely that he would give up such potential power that Ardent represents.
I don't think that he can leave them all there, at least unless he's prepared to stay in space forever. Bear in mind that (a) there's a second shuttle next to the one he and Church are gokng to use, and (b) Alice and Sedna remember most, if not all, of the tech necessary to revolutionize the world to pre-blink tech. Now, (a) is a stretch, since Church could wipe out all the other shuttles, but (b) is a real risk: Pate can't afford to fly away and come back to face the ground side with a reinvigorated tech tree, particularly if Ardent can super-power it.

No, I think that Pate needs to tie off those loose ends before he can leave.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: JimC on 21 Jan 2017, 10:04
Up.

Sedna getting all nostalgic:-)

Looks a bit timeworn though. Gonna need that Ardent fixup.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: pwhodges on 21 Jan 2017, 10:15
It wasn't making complete sense, until I realised I've spent the afternoon reading manga so was taking the panels from right to left by mistake!

If Pate just wants to bombard the Praeces in orbit, then the children might not be too happy about the effect on their friends and family (assuming such social structures still exist).
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: BenRG on 21 Jan 2017, 11:08
Sedna as a space pilot confirmed?

Pate, old son, I hate to break this to you but Sedna was coming down to see her old bird again anyway.

What I'm worried about is that the Valkyrie is clearly a combat spacecraft. The temptation it's going to put in Pate's way to attack one of the orbital habitats or one of his foes on the planet will be enormous.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: TinPenguin on 21 Jan 2017, 11:59
Alice Grove takes place on our Earth, confirmed.

Absurd romanticisation of 1940s Britain still happening in the future, confirmed.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: jwhouk on 21 Jan 2017, 12:25
But, using the name "Valkyrie" indicates that they were referencing it from the other side.

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Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: brasca on 21 Jan 2017, 12:31
Well after everything I suppose Pate now thinks they are on first name basis. 

If Pate just wants to bombard the Praeces in orbit, then the children might not be too happy about the effect on their friends and family (assuming such social structures still exist).

He wants to talk to the Praeses, but he needs to get there and get his foot in the door.  Normally Mr. Church could help him with that, but he might not be as effective in zero gravity so having a spaceship with weapons can compensate for that.  Of course it might not be the same vehicle after Ardent upgrades it and since he could will it to be a civilian mode of transportation it might not have any weapons to threaten the Praeses into negotiating.  It would also be a good way to turn the tables on Pate.  After 5000 years it will definitely need to be upgraded so it can be restored to working order as well as accommodate 6 people.  Since it was built for war most of the space is probably weapons payload. 

Alice Grove takes place on our Earth, confirmed.

Absurd romanticisation of 1940s Britain still happening in the future, confirmed.

Well for these 2 veterans yes, but Great Britain might as well be Atlantis as far as Ardent and Gavia are concerned.   
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: TinPenguin on 21 Jan 2017, 12:42
Indeed, but our future is also their past. ;)
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: JimC on 21 Jan 2017, 12:58
... Ardent upgrades it and since he could will it to be a civilian mode of transportation ...
Has Ardent any control whatsoever over his tech upgrade process?  I thought (eg http://www.alicegrove.com/post/130233090364/and-were-back ) he had no control whatsoever.

Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: Storel on 21 Jan 2017, 18:52
Alice Grove takes place on our Earth, confirmed.

Absurd romanticisation of 1940s Britain still happening in the future, confirmed.

Well for these 2 veterans yes, but Great Britain might as well be Atlantis as far as Ardent and Gavia are concerned.

Nah... they might actually have heard of Atlantis.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: Method of Madness on 21 Jan 2017, 21:50
I looked back a while ago and realized we've known Jesper's first name since the beginning! I wonder why nobody's used it.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: Tova on 21 Jan 2017, 23:00
I don't know, but I have to admit that my first reaction was, "Who the heck is Jesper?"  :psyduck:
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: brasca on 22 Jan 2017, 04:33
I looked back a while ago and realized we've known Jesper's first name since the beginning! I wonder why nobody's used it.

Jesper would be fine if he really was just some mayor of a far away town, but he's dropped the pretense so it's more appropriate to address him by his surname. 
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: Kugai on 22 Jan 2017, 13:34
So,  we're settin' up for the ride of the Valkyrie   ;D
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: pwhodges on 22 Jan 2017, 14:38
I think Pate used his forename to show his power over them by implying intimacy.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: Method of Madness on 22 Jan 2017, 16:33
This article on the use of first names vs surnames may be of interest:
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/shortcuts/2013/apr/02/why-first-names-just-for-friends (https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/shortcuts/2013/apr/02/why-first-names-just-for-friends)
Strange. I'd hate if someone called me Mr. (Surname). Just...no.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: jwhouk on 22 Jan 2017, 18:30
So,  we're settin' up for the ride of the Valkyrie   ;D

"YO-HO-TO, HO! YO-HO-TO, HO! YO-HO-TO, HO!" (https://youtu.be/Yxiv3CBMS4M)
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 22 Jan 2017, 21:54
Welcome, new people!
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: brasca on 23 Jan 2017, 04:37
... Ardent upgrades it and since he could will it to be a civilian mode of transportation ...
Has Ardent any control whatsoever over his tech upgrade process?  I thought (eg http://www.alicegrove.com/post/130233090364/and-were-back ) he had no control whatsoever.

Alice theorized that he can subconsciously influence what he upgrades:  http://www.alicegrove.com/post/129355329554/ardent-thought-about-bread-and-turned-gavia-into-a (http://www.alicegrove.com/post/129355329554/ardent-thought-about-bread-and-turned-gavia-into-a).  Unfortunately, it hasn't been tested out beyond a water pump, wind up toy bird, and now a flash light. 

Why is calling him by his surname more appropriate?

Because it reduces the intimacy by several steps. It makes it clear just how minimal you want your your relationship with him to be.

Indeed.  And this guy means business.  For the sake of brevity I call him Pate here, but this is definitely someone you would address as Mr. Pate in real life. 
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: mikmaxs on 24 Jan 2017, 05:09
Is anyone else a little thrown by the pacing here? The story was moving pretty sedately for the first 160-170 pages or so, and then in the last fifteen comics, the speed has ramped up drastically, with pretty little in between to signal the speed change. I thought that the pacing before was too slow for a webcomic that updated with four to six panels once or twice a week, so I think the new speed here is a little better, but seeing as we still know practically nothing about our villain, his goals, his history, (and by extension all those questions about Mr. Church as well,) I'm still not sure how I feel about the new direction.

(Also, minor note: I know that Mr. Church is fast, but he isn't infinitely fast. Should Jesper really be standing within arms reach of the people he is forcing to do his bidding?)
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: BenRG on 24 Jan 2017, 05:16
(Also, minor note: I know that Mr. Church is fast, but he isn't infinitely fast. Should Jesper really be standing within arms reach of the people he is forcing to do his bidding?)

I'm taking this as a key indicator of one of the strongest aspects of Pate's personality: He's arrogant and enormously confident in his ability to out-think as well as gain and maintain an advantage over his foes. He's so sure that he has Alice and Sedna under his thumb that he can't even be bothered to pretend that they're a threat to him. It's sort of Lex Luthor dialled up to 11 with Church standing in for the Kryptonite ring.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: brasca on 24 Jan 2017, 05:36
Is anyone else a little thrown by the pacing here? The story was moving pretty sedately for the first 160-170 pages or so, and then in the last fifteen comics, the speed has ramped up drastically, with pretty little in between to signal the speed change. I thought that the pacing before was too slow for a webcomic that updated with four to six panels once or twice a week, so I think the new speed here is a little better, but seeing as we still know practically nothing about our villain, his goals, his history, (and by extension all those questions about Mr. Church as well,) I'm still not sure how I feel about the new direction.

(Also, minor note: I know that Mr. Church is fast, but he isn't infinitely fast. Should Jesper really be standing within arms reach of the people he is forcing to do his bidding?)

I haven't noticed a change in pacing.  Important things are happening now and while there could be some additional panels that provide exposition a lot of it would be filler.  We didn't really need to have a scene with them returning to the wagon to get Ardent, or attending to Sedna's wounds, or where Gavia was the whole time since I can assume Pate had her close by to intimidate Alice which brings me to why Pate is willing to risk getting so close to Sedna.  Yes, she could kill him before Church could intervene, but it would likely be the last thing she'd ever do unless he wanted to let her witness the brutal murder of all her companions first. 
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: Method of Madness on 24 Jan 2017, 06:56
I moved the name discussion here (https://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,33621.0.html).
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: randon82 on 24 Jan 2017, 12:12
Btw, the Valkyrie here looks somewhat like the real Valkyrie XB-70 bomber, especially from the back:
http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/Visit/MuseumExhibits/FactSheets/Display/tabid/509/Article/195767/north-american-xb-70-valkyrie.aspx

Alternatively, Jeph could be thinking of the StarCraft air unit...

Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: mikmaxs on 24 Jan 2017, 20:54
Is anyone else a little thrown by the pacing here? The story was moving pretty sedately for the first 160-170 pages or so, and then in the last fifteen comics, the speed has ramped up drastically, with pretty little in between to signal the speed change. I thought that the pacing before was too slow for a webcomic that updated with four to six panels once or twice a week, so I think the new speed here is a little better, but seeing as we still know practically nothing about our villain, his goals, his history, (and by extension all those questions about Mr. Church as well,) I'm still not sure how I feel about the new direction.

(Also, minor note: I know that Mr. Church is fast, but he isn't infinitely fast. Should Jesper really be standing within arms reach of the people he is forcing to do his bidding?)

I haven't noticed a change in pacing.  Important things are happening now and while there could be some additional panels that provide exposition a lot of it would be filler.  We didn't really need to have a scene with them returning to the wagon to get Ardent, or attending to Sedna's wounds, or where Gavia was the whole time since I can assume Pate had her close by to intimidate Alice which brings me to why Pate is willing to risk getting so close to Sedna.  Yes, she could kill him before Church could intervene, but it would likely be the last thing she'd ever do unless he wanted to let her witness the brutal murder of all her companions first.
I don't so much mean in panel-to-panel storytelling, I'm referring to the rate of game-changing events. In the first 160 pages, we had Ardent showing up (Which set the story into motion), and then a good bit of time before Gavia showed up. Then, there was a small reveal with history when they went into town, and then another good bit of time before Gardent and Avia snuck out, which is only a significant scene because it revealed to us the nanobot thing. More time goes by, and Ardent's superpower is revealed. Another good bit of time, they meet Sedna, and then after a bit longer Gavia loses all her nanotech. Finally, they leave, and go to the new set.

That took 160 pages.

Now, in the past 20 pages, we've had the new villain show up, a failed escape that resulted in the death of a minor character and the injury of a main character, introduce another superhuman, have the villain take control, get access to what they're looking for, and find the ship that they need. It's about a third the amount of story motion we had before, but in an eighth the amount of pages.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: Kugai on 25 Jan 2017, 12:16
Don't be too hasty, we still have to

*Find the exit to the Hanger and clear it
*Check if the Valkyrie is even Spacewothty or if Ardnet will have to 'Repair' it
*Find out if there is Fuel for it and if there is, if it's still viable after 5,000 years

And after all that, we still have to fly into Space to the Space Habitat that Gavia and Ardent are from in order for Darth Pate to talk to the Praeses.

And a lot can happen in between all that as well.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: FunkyTuba on 25 Jan 2017, 14:31
I JUST FIGURED IT OUT! AG is not the same universe as QC, but it the precursor to: http://dord.horse/
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: Method of Madness on 25 Jan 2017, 15:10
They could all be the same one!
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: Kugai on 25 Jan 2017, 21:23
Multiverse!
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: jheartney on 26 Jan 2017, 13:19
By the way, the design of the Valkyries reminds me of these '80s games:
(http://images.eurogamer.net/modojo.com/features/95/tomytronics.jpg)

I used to play them back in the day. They were pretty cool. (http://modojo.com/article/1172/retromo_the_tomytronic_titles)
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: brasca on 29 Jan 2017, 13:55
Strip is up.

So Ardent's upgrade works on advanced machinery, but I wonder if he subconsciously sabotaged it.  We'll soon find out.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: BenRG on 29 Jan 2017, 15:15
I think that we might be about to find the upper limit of Ardent's 'upgrade' capability.

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Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: jwhouk on 29 Jan 2017, 18:38
I don't know - to me, it looks like he turned it into a big, green glob of Jell-O.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: Method of Madness on 29 Jan 2017, 19:36
Wait, what? It looks gold to me.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: ChaoSera on 30 Jan 2017, 00:06
I'm sorry, but that's a giant golden vagina.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: TinPenguin on 30 Jan 2017, 02:10
I thought it was a Pringle.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: BenRG on 30 Jan 2017, 02:19
You know what it looks like the most?

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/c9/30/d9/c930d959e40a5f08017df885df45d9c9.jpg)

No-one could have believed... (Without the heat ray turret, of course)
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: FunkyTuba on 30 Jan 2017, 11:19
so I guess it's about time for a Feb17 MCDLT thread eh
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: Method of Madness on 30 Jan 2017, 14:14
Note to self: don't forget this month.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: Kugai on 30 Jan 2017, 15:28
If it says "By your command."  my advice would be to run

Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: brasca on 30 Jan 2017, 18:25
It reminds me of the ship from Flight of the Navigator only golden and with upswept wings.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: cesium133 on 30 Jan 2017, 21:47
If it says "By your command."  my advice would be to run
"I'm sorry, Jesper, but I can't do that."
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: HiFranc on 31 Jan 2017, 02:07
I'm sorry, but that's a giant golden vagina.

For me the wing tips are the ovaries, the wings are the fallopian tubes and the body, the womb.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: Zebediah on 31 Jan 2017, 05:11
Yeah, that's exactly what I saw too. Great big ol' golden uterus.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
Post by: FunkyTuba on 31 Jan 2017, 09:51
I was thinking "upside-down pointy pelvis" myself