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Title: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: jwhouk on 26 Feb 2017, 17:11
Here's your WCDT.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: osaka on 26 Feb 2017, 18:29
So apparently Roko is so pathologically un-subtle that innocent small talk ends up with someone calling a lawyer. How did she get the job?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: pendrake on 26 Feb 2017, 18:56
Deadpan Hanners is dead-on funny Hanners.   :laugh:
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: explicit on 26 Feb 2017, 18:56
I've never known officers to be that subtle. And I say that as a person who's friends with some.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: neurocase on 26 Feb 2017, 19:17
One of the few times we see Hanners apparently channeling a degree of her mother. You have to think that's where she was taught the knowledge to immediately clam up and ask for a lawyer when something potentially incriminating comes around.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: jheartney on 26 Feb 2017, 19:27
Hanners is the first character in the comic to lawyer up with Roko. Smart gal. Faye and Bubbles should be glad they aren't in the slammer.

I have to wonder about what Jeph is up to bringing Roko back after that storyline ended. Will this comic add "Wacky AI Police Procedural" to its genre list? (We already have "Slacker Soap Opera," "Fun with Robots," "Slackers in Orbit," "Rom-Com with Dom Mom," "Alcohol Dependency Drama," "AI Fight Club," and "Revenge of the Deux Ex Machina," plus others I've probably forgotten.)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: jwhouk on 26 Feb 2017, 19:41
Hanners is the first character in the comic to lawyer up with Roko. Smart gal. Faye and Bubbles should be glad they aren't in the slammer.

I have to wonder about what Jeph is up to bringing Roko back after that storyline ended. Will this comic add "Wacky AI Police Procedural" to its genre list? (We already have "Slacker Soap Opera," "Fun with Robots," "Slackers in Orbit," "Rom-Com with Dom Mom," "Alcohol Dependency Drama," "AI Fight Club," and "Revenge of the Deux Ex Machina," plus others I've probably forgotten.)

Holy Deconstruction Batman!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: shanejayell on 26 Feb 2017, 20:40
"Rom-Com with Dom Mom,"

*LOL*

Best description of that subplot yet....

 :-D
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Castlerook on 26 Feb 2017, 20:54
So apparently Roko is so pathologically un-subtle that innocent small talk ends up with someone calling a lawyer. How did she get the job?

It used to be that you would have to collect six tokens from cereal boxes and then send them to the police department and they would send you a nice shiny badge, viola, you're now a police officer.

Now you have to feature in a Police Academy movie. *Shudders*
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Tova on 26 Feb 2017, 21:23
I was reminded of this passage.

Quote
“I’m a private detective.”
“Oh?” said Kate in surprise, and then looked puzzled.
“Does that bother you?”
“It’s just that I have a friend who plays the double bass.”
“I see,” said Dirk.
“Whenever people meet him and he’s struggling around with it, they all say the same thing, and it drives him crazy. They all say, ‘I bet you wished you played the piccolo.’ Nobody ever works out that that’s what everybody else says. I was just trying to work out if there was something that everybody would always say to a private detective so that I could avoid saying it.”
“No. What happens is that everybody looks very shifty for a moment, and you got that very well.”

So, what am I saying? As a double bass player, I will leap to Roko's defense and suggest that she probably didn't provoke that reaction because she is "pathologically un-subtle."
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: BenRG on 26 Feb 2017, 23:24
I might be massively over-interpreting today's strip but I wonder if Jeph is planning to ring in some changes and explore some of what an AI's life is like through the eyes of Roko Basilisk. It must be tough being a cop, as Hannelore unintentionally proves in today's strip. Being an AI (therefore likely having perfect recall and being perceived as being an inflexible law-enforcement machine) can only make a difficult job more difficult.

Yeah, and then there's the issue all cops have where people interpret small talk as an investigation! :-P

I'm trying to work out what Roko's nervous smile in panel 2 might mean. She's definitely seen Bubbles' chair but it's hard to tell what she's thinking. I suspect that she's nervous about being in a place where someone who, just very recently was a suspect, is clearly a valued customer and maybe even a friend.

On second thoughts; she's reacting in disbelief about 'unicorns'. It's definitely that. I mean, Roko always sees kitsunes when she sniffs tea!

Oh, BTW, unless the AI have their own police organisation, Roko's badge should look something like this:

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/92/f2/c3/92f2c3d1eb3249eb0b6c796052c8bb50.jpg)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: shanejayell on 26 Feb 2017, 23:28
One also wonders what she's HEARD about COD, the passive aggressive insult coffee shop. Could be understandably wary....
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: BenRG on 27 Feb 2017, 01:53
I think that Hannelore has suddenly realised that hallucinogenic tea could technically be viewed as an illegal substance or at least potentially so. Is this an idle inquiry or is this a vice bust?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: oeoek on 27 Feb 2017, 01:59
The slight smirk of officer Baselisk in panel 2 has me grinning; somehow the humour of a giant battle-bot sniffing tea and seeing unicorns in her spare time hit me hard this time.

As for:
"Rom-Com with Dom Mom,"
*LOL*
Best description of that subplot yet....
 :-D

Should be an easy pitch to the tv networks; I'd watch that... (and probably be deeply disappointed by the watered down clean version they would make of it).
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Method of Madness on 27 Feb 2017, 03:50
I have to wonder about what Jeph is up to bringing Roko back after that storyline ended.
She wants tea.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: brasca on 27 Feb 2017, 04:41
I think that Hannelore has suddenly realised that hallucinogenic tea could technically be viewed as an illegal substance or at least potentially so. Is this an idle inquiry or is this a vice bust?

I don't think she'd make that mistake since she seems well versed in legalese even if she isn't a lawyer.  I think she's doing this protect Bubbles in case the police aren't just satisfied in taking down Corpse Witch. 
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: ZoeB on 27 Feb 2017, 04:43
Panel 2 is mirrored.

Panel 1,3,4 the cash register is on Hanners left, Ritko on her right.

Rather than redraw, just mirror. - and correct Bubbles Chair sign - then insert dialogue again.

Or keep and mirror the rest, depending on layout of the Cafe of Doom. I think that might be needed.

The expressions though are priceless.

Ritko might possibly have just been given a clue regarding the identity of the AI tea afficionado by the large combat android sized armchair marked "Bubbles Chair" in the corner. They teach that stuff, obsevation and deduction, in detective school, so I'm told.

Which also means she quite genuinely may have been trying to make conversation, even though on duty and wearing her badge. Tea aroma as opposed to donuts.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: JoeCovenant on 27 Feb 2017, 06:08
DOLT WARNING!

I have only just realised that Roko is also an AI !
Her skin tone just never registered until this strip!

I mean... "Wha'...?"
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: jheartney on 27 Feb 2017, 06:21
I think that Hannelore has suddenly realised that hallucinogenic tea could technically be viewed as an illegal substance or at least potentially so. Is this an idle inquiry or is this a vice bust?
Given that tea is legal for humans, the default assumption is that it'd be legal for AIs. I'm assuming from Momo's stance on "AI Civil Rights" that there's a presumption that humans and AIs get equal treatment before the law, so even if a statute were passed outlawing tea for AIs, it'd be vulnerable to constitutional challenge on equal protection grounds. To defend it, the government would have to show a valid interest in stopping AIs from sniffing tea, as in you'd need instances of either AIs or humans being harmed by it. From what we've seen, there would be no such instances.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: oeoek on 27 Feb 2017, 07:14
Panel 2 is mirrored.

The viewpoint of panel 2 is just different, in panel 2 we are are on Hanners side of the counter, looking at the shop, and Hanelore has turned and moved bit. In all other panels we are on the other side, like customers.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Case on 27 Feb 2017, 09:32
One Orbital Lawyer Strike for the officer with the broken social interaction module ... !

Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Y on 27 Feb 2017, 09:40
Given that tea is legal for humans, the default assumption is that it'd be legal for AIs.

Depends on what's in the tea. Suppose cats become more sentient, and one would serve catnip tea. It might be illegal to serve to cats as they would observe the effects, but would be fine to humans. Or at least it would mean that cats can't drive afterwards.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Morituri on 27 Feb 2017, 12:04
Given that tea is legal for humans, the default assumption is that it'd be legal for AIs.

The legality of teas and tisanes very much depends on what plants (or which fungi) they're made from.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Castlerook on 27 Feb 2017, 12:57
Given that tea is legal for humans, the default assumption is that it'd be legal for AIs.

The legality of teas and tisanes very much depends on what plants (or which fungi) they're made from.

Given the fact that Coffee of Doom is selling tea alongside its coffee, that tells me that, simply by applying Occam's Razor, the tea supplied is totally above board.

The problem here is that people are assuming that what Bubbles is seeing is the same as a human hallucination. However, with an AI its more like a mass spectrometer. Some sensor is detecting the particles from the tea, analysing it and interpreting that information in a unique manner. Bear in mind the man who invented AI, Hannerdad is not the most conventional of people and instead of some cold analytical printout, we see a whimsical interpretation of that information.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Case on 27 Feb 2017, 13:25
Given that tea is legal for humans, the default assumption is that it'd be legal for AIs.

Depends on what's in the tea. Suppose cats become more sentient, and one would serve catnip tea. It might be illegal to serve to cats as they would observe the effects, but would be fine to humans. Or at least it would mean that cats can't drive afterwards.

Should cats ever gain sapience (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisdom#Sapience) ('sentience' is "the ability to feel, perceive or experience subjectively" - as far as we know, cats already have that faculty (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sarah-hodgson/reclassifying-dogs-as-sen_b_8717888.html)), the intoxication level of our murderous sociopathic furry friends would be the least of our worries.

I like cats at least as much as the next guy (suggestive pointing @ avatar) - but methinks that one brand of weaponized self-replicating cognitive routines is more than enough for this little planet of ours, no?

(Not the least because it's pretty obvious what would happen once sapient cats inevitably arrive at the same conclusion ... "You provide-food, will-not-become food. Be good-human-friendlypliable, not plaything-preything. Petting will-commence-now. Purr! Purr!")
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: brasca on 27 Feb 2017, 13:42
I think that Hannelore has suddenly realised that hallucinogenic tea could technically be viewed as an illegal substance or at least potentially so. Is this an idle inquiry or is this a vice bust?
Given that tea is legal for humans, the default assumption is that it'd be legal for AIs. I'm assuming from Momo's stance on "AI Civil Rights" that there's a presumption that humans and AIs get equal treatment before the law, so even if a statute were passed outlawing tea for AIs, it'd be vulnerable to constitutional challenge on equal protection grounds. To defend it, the government would have to show a valid interest in stopping AIs from sniffing tea, as in you'd need instances of either AIs or humans being harmed by it. From what we've seen, there would be no such instances.

That and tea manufacturers have the kind of lobbying power to keep their product legal so even if some misguided social crusader tried to ban tea because of hallucinogenic effects on AIs the people at Lipton would kill that bill in Congress. 
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Castlerook on 27 Feb 2017, 14:04
I think that Hannelore has suddenly realised that hallucinogenic tea could technically be viewed as an illegal substance or at least potentially so. Is this an idle inquiry or is this a vice bust?
Given that tea is legal for humans, the default assumption is that it'd be legal for AIs. I'm assuming from Momo's stance on "AI Civil Rights" that there's a presumption that humans and AIs get equal treatment before the law, so even if a statute were passed outlawing tea for AIs, it'd be vulnerable to constitutional challenge on equal protection grounds. To defend it, the government would have to show a valid interest in stopping AIs from sniffing tea, as in you'd need instances of either AIs or humans being harmed by it. From what we've seen, there would be no such instances.

That and tea manufacturers have the kind of lobbying power to keep their product legal so even if some misguided social crusader tried to ban tea because of hallucinogenic effects on AIs the people at Lipton would kill that bill in Congress.

You can't stop Big Tea. Ever.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Kugai on 27 Feb 2017, 14:46
Poor Roko, all she wants is Tea and a decent conversation.

The lonly life of a Police AI


Three weeks later- Hanners:  "I think we just adopted another one."
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Castlerook on 27 Feb 2017, 15:12
Poor Roko, all she wants is Tea and a decent conversation.

The lonly life of a Police AI


Three weeks later- Hanners:  "I think we just adopted another one."

That's just it, isn't it? Bubbles and Roko are sides of the same coin, one not particularly liked by the wider AI community. Bubbles is looked down upon because she was an AI that decided to volunteer and serve in the military, something that AI like Momo believe that no AI should be doing. At the same time, Roko is an AI policing the AI community, she's a visible reminder that there are criminal AI, that drag down the name of the AI community.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Nepiophage on 27 Feb 2017, 15:21

"Rom-Com with Dom Mom,"

I bet Jeph wishes he'd thought of that one.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: gopher on 27 Feb 2017, 15:49

"Rom-Com with Dom Mom,"

I bet Jeph wishes he'd thought of that one.
I'd prefer a dot-com sitcom,  in a hip hop chip shop. #HMHB
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Gyrre on 27 Feb 2017, 17:28
The slight smirk of officer Baselisk in panel 2 has me grinning; somehow the humour of a giant battle-bot sniffing tea and seeing unicorns in her spare time hit me hard this time.

As for:
"Rom-Com with Dom Mom,"
*LOL*
Best description of that subplot yet....
 :-D

Should be an easy pitch to the tv networks; I'd watch that... (and probably be deeply disappointed by the watered down clean version they would make of it).
Just pitch it to HBO and don't let anybody who worked on 50 Shades of Grey or its sequel get involved.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: bhtooefr on 27 Feb 2017, 18:20
Well, looks like Roko got sent to Uniporn Grove.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: celticgeek on 27 Feb 2017, 18:21
YES.......UNICORNS.....YES!!!!!!!!!

Sniff, sniff.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: brasca on 27 Feb 2017, 18:26
I think I'm more perplexed by Hannelore's expression than what Officer Basilisk saw.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: dreed on 27 Feb 2017, 18:45
I think I'm more perplexed by Hannelore's expression than what Officer Basilisk saw.
Her mother trained her well. 

Don't talk to police. request lawyer immediately.  don't show any emotion. don't say anything. 

those two strips are hilarious!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Castlerook on 27 Feb 2017, 19:09
I think I'm...I'm a little bit disappointed in Hanners tonight.... :-\

All she's probably heard about Roko comes from Faye and Bubbles, so its probably a one-sided picture, but still Hanners could have given Roko the benefit of the doubt, especially considering she's just let her friends slide on several crimes.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Method of Madness on 27 Feb 2017, 19:21
Yeah, me too. Really out of character. Yesterday's was a surprised reaction, but sustaining? The tea may be hot, but that was cold.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: blt on 27 Feb 2017, 19:36
From this and the Roko's Day Off sketches you really get the impression that Officer B is pretty lonely.

Edit: And is this shady unicorn a Homestuck reference?  :psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: jwhouk on 27 Feb 2017, 19:47
I just got weirded out by Hanner's eyes. No outline, only the whites and the greens seemingly glowing, like she suddenly turned into Robo-Hanners.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 27 Feb 2017, 19:48
Why does Detective Basilisk have chemosensors that respond to tea?

In the case of Bubbles we know her body was built to detect NBC weapons and probably explosives as well. The tannins in tea are usually thought of as harmless, but don't forget the song "Oh tannin bomb".
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Castlerook on 27 Feb 2017, 19:58
Why does Detective Basilisk have chemosensors that respond to tea?

I'm still going with the theory that military and police grade AI chassis have a mass spectrometer built-in. In the case of the police - detecting trace evidence, toxicology and arson would be the ones off the top of my head.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 27 Feb 2017, 20:09
I did not expect that.

As to why humanoid anthro pcs have olfactory sensors... If you were hanging around humans all the time and trying to get along with them, wouldn't it be important to know when you stink?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Tova on 27 Feb 2017, 20:34
I don't see anything indicating that her chassis is custom or "police grade" in any way.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: mercykills on 27 Feb 2017, 20:38
I think I'm...I'm a little bit disappointed in Hanners tonight.... :-\

All she's probably heard about Roko comes from Faye and Bubbles, so its probably a one-sided picture, but still Hanners could have given Roko the benefit of the doubt, especially considering she's just let her friends slide on several crimes.

Uhhh....ok. If we're gonna go down that mental track, how can Hannelore be blamed? Knowing what she knows about Faye and Bubbles(and what they've been up to), and considering THEY are her friends, why would she speak to a cop, ANY cop about them? ~_^

It seems like a lot of people are blaming her for not just using some random mind reading powers on Officer Basilisk, going "O! Ok, officer. Your intentions are on the level. Let's be friends."

In her situation, an Officer comes in asking her about Bubbles. She doesn't know where such a conversation will lead or if something can accidently slip that can be used against Faye or Bubble. So, she did the only thing she can to protect her friends until she can get confirmation from them that Basi, is on the up and up. If that means freezing out an unknown entity, for now. So, be it! Remember, folks: She doesn't have all the info that we the readers have.

/sigh...idk, seems a bit odd to me to expect anything else from her other than the safest, most prudent action available to her right now.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Morituri on 27 Feb 2017, 21:05
I think I'm...I'm a little bit disappointed in Hanners tonight.... :-\

I'm sure as heck not.  That is *EXACTLY* the way you handle a police officer asking questions whose answers bear on any of your friends.   Go Hanners!  This is either a case of incredibly good instincts, or she has received specific warnings/lessons and paid attention to them.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Gyrre on 27 Feb 2017, 21:11
I don't see anything indicating that her chassis is custom or "police grade" in any way.
Remember when Pintsize said that if you can think of a build, there's probably at least one AI that wants one?

Also, a sense of smell would be important for being a cop. It could be an upgrade suite.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: imaginaryideals on 27 Feb 2017, 21:18
(click to show/hide)

The resemblance is striking.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: SubaruStephen on 27 Feb 2017, 21:27
Given that tea is legal for humans, the default assumption is that it'd be legal for AIs.

Going by Bubbles tea sessions, I wouldn't consider it a drug since she is basically dreaming/meditating and can be jarred into "sobriety" just like an organic person who was snoozing.

Now, sour milk for the Newcomers in Alien Nation, that would be something to debate regulation, since they genuinely became intoxicated.

Why does Detective Basilisk have chemosensors that respond to tea?

I'm still going with the theory that military and police grade AI chassis have a mass spectrometer built-in. In the case of the police - detecting trace evidence, toxicology and arson would be the ones off the top of my head.

Partner: "Hey, Roko, is this cocaine or powdered sugar?"
*sniff*
Roko: "Baking soda"
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: 94ssd on 27 Feb 2017, 21:55
I think I'm...I'm a little bit disappointed in Hanners tonight.... :-\

All she's probably heard about Roko comes from Faye and Bubbles, so its probably a one-sided picture, but still Hanners could have given Roko the benefit of the doubt, especially considering she's just let her friends slide on several crimes.

Honestly, I don't disagree with Hannelore's behavior on this one. Maybe she was just trying to make conversation, but there are many instances of cops having a 'casual conversation' actually looking for information. And multiple instances have shown that talking to a cop, even if you've done nothing wrong, is always a risk.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Tova on 27 Feb 2017, 22:07
I'm running with theory that her olfactory sensors can detect anything humans and other AIs can, and quite possibly a few things on top of that, because why the heck would it not?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Storel on 27 Feb 2017, 22:59
I'm running with theory that her olfactory sensors can detect anything humans and other AIs can, and quite possibly a few things on top of that, because why the heck would it not?

Cost. The more sensitive the olfactory sensors, the more expensive they'll be. If the police department pays for olfactory upgrades, they can probably get a decent discount for quantity, but if Roko had to pay for it herself on a cop's salary...

Besides, the evidence suggests that her olfactory sensors are not as refined as Bubbles's, given the somewhat cruder image she saw.  :wink:
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: oeoek on 27 Feb 2017, 23:19
2 for 2 Hanners wicked tea!

As for her behaviour; we know Hanners is devoted to her friends, and I expect she is not up to date on the latest developments. Once Bubbles and Faye fill her in, I expect she will welcome officer Basilisk with her usual chipperness.

And I agree, Officer B seems to lead a pretty lonely life as shown by present strips, her colleague interaction and her home life. Time to adopt another one for our gang...
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: BenRG on 27 Feb 2017, 23:27
Well, we know where Roko's personal kink lies!

This seems to be a running theme with Jeph's AI characters; even though they're robotic and you would expect them to be asexual, quite a few of them have shown something akin to sexual desire, often directed towards humans but also having as many bizarre-seeming sub-variants as humans.

Of course, one now wonders if Roko has anthro-porn pictures on the inside of her locker door or something!  :wink:

I think I'm...I'm a little bit disappointed in Hanners tonight.... :-\

All she's probably heard about Roko comes from Faye and Bubbles, so its probably a one-sided picture, but still Hanners could have given Roko the benefit of the doubt, especially considering she's just let her friends slide on several crimes.

Hannelore isn't stupid. She knows just how much of a can of worms Spookybot has opened by intervening in Bubbles' life and she knows that there are some who would be very, very interested in making Faye and Bubbles' life difficult, either to smoke out their 'sponsor' or to see if there is anything inherently different about them. She's being defensive on behalf of her friends.

It doesn't help that Roko is bad at small talk and made an idle inquiry sound like a flat-footed attempt to gather gossip on suspects!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: neurocase on 28 Feb 2017, 00:08
I might be off base here, but I very much get the feeling that anyone in this thread who is disappointed in Hanners and her treatment of Roko, or thinks it's a bit much for her to shut down the way she did, has never dealt with pushy and/or unnecessarily nosy and/or rougher cops before. Cops in general, really.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: jwhouk on 28 Feb 2017, 00:18
I might be off base here, but I very much get the feeling that anyone in this thread who is disappointed in Hanners and her treatment of Roko, or thinks it's a bit much for her to shut down the way she did, has never dealt with pushy and/or unnecessarily nosy and/or rougher cops before. Cops in general, really.

Or, perhaps, are LEO's themselves?

 :police:
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Akima on 28 Feb 2017, 00:38
I'm sure as heck not.  That is *EXACTLY* the way you handle a police officer asking questions whose answers bear on any of your friends.   Go Hanners!  This is either a case of incredibly good instincts, or she has received specific warnings/lessons and paid attention to them.
I agree, and I don't have a Bond-villain mother. Of course that is probably what someone who had a Bond-villain mother would say.

"Yay or neigh"? There's only one answer to that:
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: oddtail on 28 Feb 2017, 00:48
I don't have a problem with Hannelore being cautious. Or smart. I didn't mind how she reacted the last comic. But this one?

Come on. It's not about her being smart of cautious. There are a million ways to say "I don't want to talk about this" in a polite manner. And I get Hannelore's reaction. I do. She doesn't have a good reason to trust Roko or even to like her. She's under no obligation to be polite or nice to her.

But I'm sorry, cutting someone off mid-sentence (when they're trying to backpedal and explain what they meant, no less!) and Hannelore's icy cold stare? That's not about not talking to the police, because it might be a bad idea. It's about not talking to Roko because Hannelore doesn't like talking to her. She's being cold, unpleasant and borderline rude.

I can't guess the motivation behind everyone's posts in this forum, but I can't help but wonder if past experience with the police isn't informing at least some people's attitude towards Roko as a character. While by no means universal, the general attitude towards police in this forum tends to be, on average, extremely hostile. Does that inform people's opinion on this particular comic? Maybe not. But I think it just might.

Again, I don't think Hannelore is a terrible human being for reacting the way she does, or anything like that. But I don't see the way she handled the situation as necessary. Or reasonable. Or nice. Roko may be a police officer, but she's still a person.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Nycticoraci on 28 Feb 2017, 01:04
Roko the Brony.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: BenRG on 28 Feb 2017, 01:15
Speaking as a Brony, I can confirm that we are not all into anthro cheesecake pictures. Indeed, some of us consider them profoundly weird and disturbing. Even the humanoid Equestria Girls characters need to be massively re-proportioned before I can call them 'attractive'.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: TinPenguin on 28 Feb 2017, 01:23
I think I'm...I'm a little bit disappointed in Hanners tonight.... :-\

All she's probably heard about Roko comes from Faye and Bubbles, so its probably a one-sided picture, but still Hanners could have given Roko the benefit of the doubt, especially considering she's just let her friends slide on several crimes.

Honestly, I don't disagree with Hannelore's behavior on this one. Maybe she was just trying to make conversation, but there are many instances of cops having a 'casual conversation' actually looking for information. And multiple instances have shown that talking to a cop, even if you've done nothing wrong, is always a risk.

I recall there was a heated debate when Roko first appeared about the 'Don't Talk to Cops' thing, with which I generally disagreed, not living in a police state, but in this situation even I would be wary of volunteering more information than necessary, especially about someone else.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Tawdry Quirks on 28 Feb 2017, 03:43
I'm running with theory that her olfactory sensors can detect anything humans and other AIs can, and quite possibly a few things on top of that, because why the heck would it not?

Cost. The more sensitive the olfactory sensors, the more expensive they'll be. If the police department pays for olfactory upgrades, they can probably get a decent discount for quantity, but if Roko had to pay for it herself on a cop's salary...

Besides, the evidence suggests that her olfactory sensors are not as refined as Bubbles's, given the somewhat cruder image she saw.  :wink:

It's also possible that Hanners might have deliberately chosen a tea varietal that leans more 'anthro-unicorn in banana hammock' than 'pastoral unicorn', to elicit embarrassment from Roko.  Or it might reflect more of a psychological difference between Roko and Bubbles.  I'm not rejecting the possibility you mentioned, because I'm also mulling over that hypothesis.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: mercykills on 28 Feb 2017, 04:29
I don't have a problem with Hannelore being cautious. Or smart. I didn't mind how she reacted the last comic. But this one?

Come on. It's not about her being smart of cautious. There are a million ways to say "I don't want to talk about this" in a polite manner. And I get Hannelore's reaction. I do. She doesn't have a good reason to trust Roko or even to like her. She's under no obligation to be polite or nice to her.

But I'm sorry, cutting someone off mid-sentence (when they're trying to backpedal and explain what they meant, no less!) and Hannelore's icy cold stare? That's not about not talking to the police, because it might be a bad idea. It's about not talking to Roko because Hannelore doesn't like talking to her. She's being cold, unpleasant and borderline rude.

I can't guess the motivation behind everyone's posts in this forum, but I can't help but wonder if past experience with the police isn't informing at least some people's attitude towards Roko as a character. While by no means universal, the general attitude towards police in this forum tends to be, on average, extremely hostile. Does that inform people's opinion on this particular comic? Maybe not. But I think it just might.

Again, I don't think Hannelore is a terrible human being for reacting the way she does, or anything like that. But I don't see the way she handled the situation as necessary. Or reasonable. Or nice. Roko may be a police officer, but she's still a person.

Yea...but Hanners didn't start acting this way because she saw a cop in uniform, obviously. She started the "low power" routine when a cop asked about a friend who she KNOWS has had, in the past, and could possibly have, in the future, trouble with the law. So, no, completely shutting down conversation is NOT out of the question, here.

And to the assertion that those of us who hold such views have mostly had poor interactions with LEO's in the past, I can safely disabuse you of such notions. In fact, not saying any names, but I know of one person here who holds such views who'll be starting academy training very soon. As to that particular person's true reason, for having the views they have on the subject. Well, let's just say they've grown tired of the hypocrisy that permeates their own country(*America*) on this matter:

"Ok, everyone, remember, You don't have to speak to the police and, of course, have the right to an attorney. :) But if you ever use this right, you're a disgusting person and we WILL all condemn you for invoking it!!! >:-< "

>.>

PS:Sorry, for the disarray of this comment but I'm in a rush.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: oddtail on 28 Feb 2017, 04:38
I didn't say shutting down the conversation was out of the question. I'm not even saying Hannelore was under an obligation to act differently than she did. Heck, I acknowledged that fairly explicitly, I think.

I'm saying she was being impolite and cold. It's her right, but it doesn't mean - as some people have asserted - she needed to do that because it's smart and prudent. She decided to be a bit rude. It was not a necessary component of deciding not to talk to Roko.

And I never said anything I think of as condemning anyone. I went out of my way to say I understand why Hannelore acted the way she did. I am not sure how that is "condemning" anyone or anything (yes, I know you never directly said I did that, but you mentioned a general attitude in the context of my post. So... I feel you're kinda-sorta implying that).

All I can say is, if someone acted towards me like this, I'd feel bad. Roko did nothing to be treated this way. It's understandable, if unfortunate, why she was treated like that, and it's a direct result of her acting kind of stupid. But I can very well not like the way she was treated withOUT unreservedly condemning Hannelore's behaviour or even her as a person.

I feel like you're kinda inferring, from what I wrote, things I never said or implied, and I'm not exactly sure why.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: 94ssd on 28 Feb 2017, 05:11
But I'm sorry, cutting someone off mid-sentence (when they're trying to backpedal and explain what they meant, no less!) and Hannelore's icy cold stare? That's not about not talking to the police, because it might be a bad idea. It's about not talking to Roko because Hannelore doesn't like talking to her. She's being cold, unpleasant and borderline rude.

No, she's doing the only thing that guarantees a quick exit to this conversation. There are real-life incidents where cops have literally interpreted friendliness as being suspicious. Not responding to unwanted lines of questioning and being stern, those are intelligent responses.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: oddtail on 28 Feb 2017, 05:20
But I'm sorry, cutting someone off mid-sentence (when they're trying to backpedal and explain what they meant, no less!) and Hannelore's icy cold stare? That's not about not talking to the police, because it might be a bad idea. It's about not talking to Roko because Hannelore doesn't like talking to her. She's being cold, unpleasant and borderline rude.

No, she's doing the only thing that guarantees a quick exit to this conversation. There are real-life incidents where cops have literally interpreted friendliness as being suspicious. Not responding to unwanted lines of questioning and being stern, those are intelligent responses.

I'm not expecting her to be chatty. But, off the top of my head "I'm sorry officer, let me stop you there. I don't want to talk about this topic. You don't need to explain yourself to me. Here's your tea, and have a nice day" could not possibly have been misinterpreted as wanting to continue the conversation. It would have achieved the same effect. And once more, I repeat - Hannelore is not *obligated* to respond like this, or similarly. But I'm kinda bummed that she didn't.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Thrudd on 28 Feb 2017, 06:05
But I'm sorry, cutting someone off mid-sentence (when they're trying to backpedal and explain what they meant, no less!) and Hannelore's icy cold stare? That's not about not talking to the police, because it might be a bad idea. It's about not talking to Roko because Hannelore doesn't like talking to her. She's being cold, unpleasant and borderline rude.
No, she's doing the only thing that guarantees a quick exit to this conversation. There are real-life incidents where cops have literally interpreted friendliness as being suspicious. Not responding to unwanted lines of questioning and being stern, those are intelligent responses.
I'm not expecting her to be chatty. But, off the top of my head "I'm sorry officer, let me stop you there. I don't want to talk about this topic. You don't need to explain yourself to me. Here's your tea, and have a nice day" could not possibly have been misinterpreted as wanting to continue the conversation. It would have achieved the same effect. And once more, I repeat - Hannelore is not *obligated* to respond like this, or similarly. But I'm kinda bummed that she didn't.
If it was any other venue, a different country and an average person then I would hesitantly agree with you on that point.

But we are talking about Hannelore who is still working on her social interaction skills, Coffee of Doom which still has snark as a part of its customer service model and lastly the USofA where LEOs have earned a reputation that is spiraling to that of Burma.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: oddtail on 28 Feb 2017, 06:13
But I'm sorry, cutting someone off mid-sentence (when they're trying to backpedal and explain what they meant, no less!) and Hannelore's icy cold stare? That's not about not talking to the police, because it might be a bad idea. It's about not talking to Roko because Hannelore doesn't like talking to her. She's being cold, unpleasant and borderline rude.
No, she's doing the only thing that guarantees a quick exit to this conversation. There are real-life incidents where cops have literally interpreted friendliness as being suspicious. Not responding to unwanted lines of questioning and being stern, those are intelligent responses.
I'm not expecting her to be chatty. But, off the top of my head "I'm sorry officer, let me stop you there. I don't want to talk about this topic. You don't need to explain yourself to me. Here's your tea, and have a nice day" could not possibly have been misinterpreted as wanting to continue the conversation. It would have achieved the same effect. And once more, I repeat - Hannelore is not *obligated* to respond like this, or similarly. But I'm kinda bummed that she didn't.
If it was any other venue, a different country and an average person then I would hesitantly agree with you on that point.

But we are talking about Hannelore who is still working on her social interaction skills, Coffee of Doom which still has snark as a part of its customer service model and lastly the USofA where LEOs have earned a reputation that is spiraling to that of Burma.

Somewhat off-topic, but when the expected response to interaction from anyone who knows what's best of them is like this, I am not sure what person, if they genuinely care about people they're supposed to protect, would want to become a police officer at all. Granted, I would make a very poor policeman in any country, but if I became one for some strange reason, and people acted this way towards me even half of the time I was in uniform, I'd quit my job in like a month. And I'm not even that used to people treating me with any real amount of friendliness and respect.

Seems to me, even if it's not the fault of people who refuse to talk to the police, per se, this kinda creates a Catch-22 situation where working in law enforcement would turn off reasonable, friendly people, leaving only the... less desirable picks to do the job. I imagine hostility (or what can be perceived as hostility) from random people would hit a "I genuinely want to help people" person much harder than it would a "I'm here to catch criminals" person.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: mercykills on 28 Feb 2017, 07:00
I don't have a problem with Hannelore being cautious. Or smart. I didn't mind how she reacted the last comic. But this one?

Come on. It's not about her being smart of cautious. There are a million ways to say "I don't want to talk about this" in a polite manner. And I get Hannelore's reaction. I do. She doesn't have a good reason to trust Roko or even to like her. She's under no obligation to be polite or nice to her.

But I'm sorry, cutting someone off mid-sentence (when they're trying to backpedal and explain what they meant, no less!) and Hannelore's icy cold stare? That's not about not talking to the police, because it might be a bad idea. It's about not talking to Roko because Hannelore doesn't like talking to her. She's being cold, unpleasant and borderline rude.

I can't guess the motivation behind everyone's posts in this forum, but I can't help but wonder if past experience with the police isn't informing at least some people's attitude towards Roko as a character. While by no means universal, the general attitude towards police in this forum tends to be, on average, extremely hostile. Does that inform people's opinion on this particular comic? Maybe not. But I think it just might.

Again, I don't think Hannelore is a terrible human being for reacting the way she does, or anything like that. But I don't see the way she handled the situation as necessary. Or reasonable. Or nice. Roko may be a police officer, but she's still a person.

Ugh...let my foolishness be a lesson to all about speaking on a subject so serious when you know you don't have the time to properly speak your message in the tone you wish to convey. Bah. Apologies, mate.

First off, that last line was an example of how I've seen the conversation in my country go when it comes to discussing people who don't wish to speak to the cops. It absolutely was not saying YOU were condemning those with a different point of view from you. Secondly, overall, I did understand that what you ultimately had an issue with was HOW Hannelor chose to shut the conversation down. And that's where we really disagree'd with each other.

So, on that, I would probably just say, remember who we're talking about here. For all her progress made, Hanners still has very severe anxiety and profound quirks. Who knows if she thinks of her reaction as anything other than efficient. I seriously doubt she thinks of this like you or I would view the situation.

And that's pretty much all, I really wanted to get at. And again, I really hope you'll forgive me for coming of like a complete d***. Wasn't my intention but after so long of being a citizen of the Internet...I should know better and try better.

Note: I wrote this in a semi-hurry(yep i know) on my tiny phone screen. lol :)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: oddtail on 28 Feb 2017, 07:28
So, on that, I would probably just say, remember who we're talking about here. For all her progress made, Hanners still has very severe anxiety and profound quirks. Who knows if she thinks of her reaction as anything other than efficient. I seriously doubt she thinks of this like you or I would view the situation.

I absolutely agree. All things considered, she handled the situation rather well. That's why I voiced disappointment rather than irritation or anger. I still think she didn't react perfectly, but it's not she ran away or otherwise freaked out, or punched Roko in the face, or insulted her, or did anything genuinely awful.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: mercykills on 28 Feb 2017, 07:36
So, on that, I would probably just say, remember who we're talking about here. For all her progress made, Hanners still has very severe anxiety and profound quirks. Who knows if she thinks of her reaction as anything other than efficient. I seriously doubt she thinks of this like you or I would view the situation.

I absolutely agree. All things considered, she handled the situation rather well. That's why I voiced disappointment rather than irritation or anger. I still think she didn't react perfectly, but it's not she ran away or otherwise freaked out, or punched Roko in the face, or insulted her, or did anything genuinely awful.

And now, I can't get the image of Hanners punching people in the face and quickly running away to escape awkward and uncomfortable social situations, out of my head. lol
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Castlerook on 28 Feb 2017, 08:22
So, on that, I would probably just say, remember who we're talking about here. For all her progress made, Hanners still has very severe anxiety and profound quirks. Who knows if she thinks of her reaction as anything other than efficient. I seriously doubt she thinks of this like you or I would view the situation.

I absolutely agree. All things considered, she handled the situation rather well. That's why I voiced disappointment rather than irritation or anger. I still think she didn't react perfectly, but it's not she ran away or otherwise freaked out, or punched Roko in the face, or insulted her, or did anything genuinely awful.
That's how I saw it. Its the fact that Hanners acted so coldly to someone she didn't know, cutting them off and acting out of character.

Another thing I'd like to point out is that when Bubbles has her tea, she either ends up in Unicorn Grove or Pegasus Cove. Roko ended up at the Unicorn Strip Club. Which begs the question - is that the way Bubbles and Roko interpret the information, or is it how Hanners prepares the tea?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Zebediah on 28 Feb 2017, 08:37
A theory: What Bubbles and Roko see when they sniff the tea is a reflection of what they want (or need) the most. Bubbles wants solitude and serenity. Roko wants a bit of excitement.

If this theory is valid, it would be interesting to have May or Momo sniff the tea to see what visions it gives them.

But not Pintsize. Never, ever Pintsize.  :-o
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: BenRG on 28 Feb 2017, 08:43
That's an interesting theory, Zeb but I'm not sure if it is right.

Remember, when Bubbles told Hannelore that she'd seen pegasi and Hannelore replied 'success'? I think that the precise blend generates a precise reaction in the sensory interpretation software in the AI, which Hannelore has somehow learned to exploit. So, she actually gave Roko a tea that she knew would provide her with unicorn beefcake. The intent may have been to freak her out but I suspect that this is where Hannelore's skills failed her - She didn't consider what manner of woman Roko is as well as what she likes and wants. Some would have been disgusted by the image but Roko wants more!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: OldGoat on 28 Feb 2017, 08:43
Hanners is very intelligent, intelligent enough to know her own limitations.  She knows she won't fare well in a verbal joust, even with an AI, so she's shutting down where Dora could talk for an hour and not tell Roko a damn thing.

AIs in the QC universe have been demonstrated to have social needs and both Roko and Bubbles feel isolated (Roko hasn't had a you have friends (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3403) moment yet).  They have similar backgrounds.

It looks to me like Jeph is setting up a relationship between Bubbles and Roko, and he'll take his time to develop it.  How will Fay fit in?  Fay's spent a long time on the sauce, and emotional maturation stalls while you're intoxicated, so her emotional age is way behind her chronological age.  Dealing with middle school jealousy responses will be a vehicle for Fay to work through that.

 
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Atherea on 28 Feb 2017, 09:22
Did anyone else hear a sick electric guitar riff in their head when they saw Roko's unicorn?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Awsyme on 28 Feb 2017, 09:42
^^ I know she's only ever appeared a few times, but if ever there was a character I saw with Clinton?  It's Roko.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: JohnTheWysard on 28 Feb 2017, 10:00
Just remember, Roko: The first hit is free. After that...
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: fayelovesbubbles on 28 Feb 2017, 10:28
Yeah...uh...an anthropomorphic unicorn isn't what I was expecting. A hot blue AI guy? Sure, but the unicorn makes me a bit uncomfortable. lmao.

At least we know Bubbles is attracted to humans...specifically Faye. Um...right? Right? Please!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: fayelovesbubbles on 28 Feb 2017, 10:30

It looks to me like Jeph is setting up a relationship between Bubbles and Roko


:(

Please don't break my and Faye's heart like that.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: OldGoat on 28 Feb 2017, 10:43
At least we know Bubbles is attracted to humans...specifically Faye. Um...right? Right? Please!

Jeph is examining the nature and boundaries of human/AI attraction & relationships at an emotional level.  (We already know that Pintsize is keen to transgress physical boundaries, but Pintsize never met a boundary he didn't want to transgress.  And then there's May.  She's been known to transgress for money.)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Killspree on 28 Feb 2017, 11:05
Did anyone else hear a sick electric guitar riff in their head when they saw Roko's unicorn?

That and "Just who the hell do you think I am?"

But it could have been even better if he had added the Nudist Beach nipple glow as well.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Kugai on 28 Feb 2017, 14:43
Highly disappointed in Hanners reaction here.

And we now know there's more to Roko than meets the eye  :D
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: shanejayell on 28 Feb 2017, 16:46
Hanners looks REALLY really odd there. I wonder if she had a bad thing happen involving cops?

 :lol: :lol: :lol: at Basilisks unicorn.....
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 28 Feb 2017, 16:48
Out of character? It's in character for Hannelore to give the cold shoulder or worse to someone she suspects of being dangerous to her friends. It's in character that she's not socially adept enough to say "I'm sorry, Officer, I'd like to answer your questions but my attorneys have insisted they be present if I talk with law enforcement. Can I get you anything else, though?"
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Gyrre on 28 Feb 2017, 17:29
Well, we know where Roko's personal kink lies!

This seems to be a running theme with Jeph's AI characters; even though they're robotic and you would expect them to be asexual, quite a few of them have shown something akin to sexual desire, often directed towards humans but also having as many bizarre-seeming sub-variants as humans.

Of course, one now wonders if Roko has anthro-porn pictures on the inside of her locker door or something!  :wink:
Going by the look on her face, I'd wager she just learned something new about herself.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Mattexian on 28 Feb 2017, 17:47
At least we know Bubbles is attracted to humans...specifically Faye. Um...right? Right? Please!

Jeph is examining the nature and boundaries of human/AI attraction & relationships at an emotional level.  (We already know that Pintsize is keen to transgress physical boundaries, but Pintsize never met a boundary he didn't want to transgress.  And then there's May.  She's been known to transgress for money.)

I wouldn't say Bubbles is interested in Faye like that; I would say that Bubbles wants human interaction, companionship, and friendship.  Roko is probably in a special case, as most police only have close friendships with other officers  (someone who can understand the pressures of the job), but her being an AI, she's cut off from that for not being human.  In that fashion, I think she has a lot in common with Bubbles.

As far as Pintsize and May having their fetishes, we've only seen them act it out with each other, tho Pintsize hasn't lacked for trying, but he's too easy to lock in a closet if he gets too annoying.

I think Roko had the mental image she did because whatever scent analysis hardware and software she has, may not be as top-of-the-line as Bubble's, so any data would render itself slightly more crudely.  Plus, Hannelore did suggest unicorns.  (I wonder if that was the Raspberry Zinger!)  ;)

I find it funny that Roko even sighs robotically.  Not sure why an AI would need to sigh, unless the emotional program needs it for stress relief.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: cesium133 on 28 Feb 2017, 18:11
New comic

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Mr. Skawronska on 28 Feb 2017, 18:24
Today's comic was amusing.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: St.Clair on 28 Feb 2017, 18:28
New comic

(click to show/hide)

And Steve, and cereal.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Otl1973 on 28 Feb 2017, 18:41
I'm a bit confused by the comments that imply that Roko walked into CoD and started asking questions about Bubbles.  What I saw was her walk in and ask about tea.  Hannelore responded with a humorous comment about a particular AI customer, and glancing at the chair (with its sign) with a smile on her face, Roko asked if that customer was Bubbles.  None of that seemed to me to justify either Hannelore's reaction or the almost universal support that her reaction has gotten from the forumites.  I am far from a huge fan of law enforcement, but the views expressed here are pretty extreme...
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Tova on 28 Feb 2017, 18:47
I'm running with theory that her olfactory sensors can detect anything humans and other AIs can, and quite possibly a few things on top of that, because why the heck would it not?

Cost. The more sensitive the olfactory sensors, the more expensive they'll be. If the police department pays for olfactory upgrades, they can probably get a decent discount for quantity, but if Roko had to pay for it herself on a cop's salary...

I beg to differ. If you want to argue cost, then off-the-shelf would be cheapest. Not some kind of custom-built sensor.

And what does off-the-shelf provide? The same senses as every other AI around. Which, I daresay, provides essentially the same range of senses as humans.

And, might I add, there is still no indication that the chassis was provided by the police, in any case.

Today's comic: cereal as fan service. Who ever would have guessed? ;)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: mad hands murphy on 28 Feb 2017, 19:00
Damn, Steve got BEEFY

Look at those arms!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Case on 28 Feb 2017, 19:03
Steve rocking Dadbod! Tortura!

"I find you; feed you to pigs" shall be my favourite way of seeing somebody off henceforth!

Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: SomeCanadianWeirdo on 28 Feb 2017, 19:28
Poor Cosette.  She's probably lucky she didn't trip over something, spill coffee over Tortura, and end up on the floor with a concussion from an elbow strike.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Ever.Green434 on 28 Feb 2017, 19:36
HE BROUGHT BACK TORTURA OMG I'M LAUGHING.

Seriously, this was awesome. :)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Kisato on 28 Feb 2017, 20:14
A theory: What Bubbles and Roko see when they sniff the tea is a reflection of what they want (or need) the most. Bubbles wants solitude and serenity. Roko wants a bit of excitement.

If this theory is valid, it would be interesting to have May or Momo sniff the tea to see what visions it gives them.

But not Pintsize. Never, ever Pintsize.  :-o

But what if all we know of Pintsize is wrong and all of his antics are a vent and some sort of qualifying trial for a potential partner. Perhaps he's looking for an escape from the circle of platonic peers that he currently exists in on many levels. May-

I'm sorry, I couldn't continue. It's just so... Unbelievable.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Morituri on 28 Feb 2017, 20:17
Highly disappointed in Hanners reaction here.

This moves on from the general "Don't talk to the police" advice.  This is very specific.  Roko was last heard from as a police officer harassing Bubbles, or investigating a case in which Bubbles feared arrest.  And Hanners is a friend to Bubbles. 

Now, in spite of that, Hannelore was nice and friendly to the officer - right up to the point where she asked a question, specifically, about Bubbles.  The look on Hanners' face is both flat affect (which bluntly tells Roko that she won't respond to further questions) and "Goddamn it I extended perfectly friendly hospitality to this person and they abused it by seeking to trick me and exploit my relationship with a friend."

Unlike some folks, I'm perfectly happy to talk to police - usually they're investigating something I want to see solved and not actively trying to trick me or faking friendly interest when it's not there.   

But if someone walks in who's specifically been after one of my friends who's been fucking COERCED into doing something that's technically against the law, whom I don't believe deserves to go to jail ...  walks in acting friendly, and then 'casually' brings up the conversational subject of that friend....  Just.  No. 

Fucking no sale.  You were only pretending to be friendly, now you are lying to me about no longer being after her, you're abusing my offer of friendship to you and you're abusing my friendship with her.  You are despicable.

It may not actually be true in this case, but I would reach the same conclusion, and the same reaction, that Hannelore did.  I'd be not giving that officer one single word more. 

Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Mad Cat on 28 Feb 2017, 20:22
*THAT* is how you do a call-back.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Method of Madness on 28 Feb 2017, 20:54
I find it funny that Roko even sighs robotically.
It looks like she just said the word "sigh" rather loudly.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: fayelovesbubbles on 28 Feb 2017, 20:55
Highly disappointed in Hanners reaction here.

This moves on from the general "Don't talk to the police" advice.  This is very specific.  Roko was last heard from as a police officer harassing Bubbles, or investigating a case in which Bubbles feared arrest.  And Hanners is a friend to Bubbles. 

Now, in spite of that, Hannelore was nice and friendly to the officer - right up to the point where she asked a question, specifically, about Bubbles.  The look on Hanners' face is both flat affect (which bluntly tells Roko that she won't respond to further questions) and "Goddamn it I extended perfectly friendly hospitality to this person and they abused it by seeking to trick me and exploit my relationship with a friend."

Unlike some folks, I'm perfectly happy to talk to police - usually they're investigating something I want to see solved and not actively trying to trick me or faking friendly interest when it's not there.   

But if someone walks in who's specifically been after one of my friends who's been fucking COERCED into doing something that's technically against the law, whom I don't believe deserves to go to jail ...  walks in acting friendly, and then 'casually' brings up the conversational subject of that friend....  Just.  No. 

Fucking no sale.  You were only pretending to be friendly, now you are lying to me about no longer being after her, you're abusing my offer of friendship to you and you're abusing my friendship with her.  You are despicable.

It may not actually be true in this case, but I would reach the same conclusion, and the same reaction, that Hannelore did.  I'd be not giving that officer one single word more.


Can we maybe give Roko the benefit of the doubt here? Maybe she wants to apologize to Bubbles. *shrug*
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Method of Madness on 28 Feb 2017, 20:56
I think the point is we can, but it might be understandable that Hanners might not want to, not knowing what we know.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: DSL on 28 Feb 2017, 20:59
Steve! Cereal! Tortura!


And Cosette.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: shanejayell on 28 Feb 2017, 21:00
Well... that was a thing.  :-o
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: A small perverse otter on 28 Feb 2017, 21:03
Can we maybe give Roko the benefit of the doubt here? Maybe she wants to apologize to Bubbles. *shrug*
Could Hannelore give Roko the benefit of the dout? Yes. Should she? Without direct evidence to the contrary, no.

Do I think Roko is lying? No, I don't. That doesn't matter -- Roko's relationship with everyone at CoD is necessarily poisoned.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: QuestionableIntentions on 28 Feb 2017, 21:32
Awww yisss, sexy Steve.

Now I really want a scene with Steve and Hanner-Mom meeting and both going: "YOU!"
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Nepiophage on 28 Feb 2017, 22:24
Damn, Steve got BEEFY

Look at those arms!
And Tortura has put on weight too. Compare the two of them in http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1406. She must be happy with her new man, despite her fears.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Tova on 28 Feb 2017, 22:28
I think everyone's missing the really important question.

When will The Little Girl who Hid the Bodies be available on Amazon?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: BenRG on 28 Feb 2017, 23:20
I think that Cossette needs to realise that Steve has some very odd ex co-workers and that sometimes they are very alarming ex co-workers (or, in Tortura's case, ex elite enemy agents)! For most relationships, Tortura 'dropping in' would be a kiss of death. With Cossette, I'm really not sure but I suspect that she'd take it as an occupational hazard.

What I think Tortura needs to understand is that sometimes relationships mean compromise. She's already told Steve before that she kind of wants out of the game. As bizarre as settling down to write one's autobiography as a series of stories for ages 5-8 years might seem for an ex super-spy, something tells me that, in the end, it would make her happy. Sometimes, getting 'bored' is better than the alternative.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Zog on 28 Feb 2017, 23:43
Myself, I would like for Roko to be adopted. I find her interesting.
I think that Clairemom and Steve recognizing each other would be amusing.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Mr. Skawronska on 01 Mar 2017, 00:08
As bizarre as settling down to write one's autobiography as a series of stories for ages 5-8 years might seem for an ex super-spy, something tells me that, in the end, it would make her happy. Sometimes, getting 'bored' is better than the alternative.

That's actually on the saner side of "bizarre" for certain types of retirement for certain lines of work.  More common is a strange dichotomous desire to be left alone and yet tweak people at their stupid spot for amusement. 

Kudos to Jeph for this one.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Akima on 01 Mar 2017, 00:27
"I find you; feed you to pigs" shall be my favourite way of seeing somebody off henceforth!
"Feed you to peegs!" is how my imagination pronounced it.

Love your new avatar, BTW.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 01 Mar 2017, 00:51
Welcome, new people!

If anyone wants to argue that Hannelore's reaction was excessive, it's a reasonable position to take, but excessive reactions are a Hannelore thing.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Tawdry Quirks on 01 Mar 2017, 01:41
I think everyone's missing the really important question.

When will The Little Girl who Hid the Bodies be available on Amazon?
Is it just me, or does that title sound very Neil Gaiman?  Now I want a children's book from him with that title!

(I'm not entirely certain he hasn't already written a short story for adults that'd fit that theme.)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: ZoeB on 01 Mar 2017, 02:05
Myself, I would like for Roko to be adopted. I find her interesting.
I think that Clairemom and Steve recognizing each other would be amusing.
Clairemom, Tortura and Veronica recognising each other from college even more so.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: BenRG on 01 Mar 2017, 02:29
Myself, I would like for Roko to be adopted. I find her interesting.
I think that Clairemom and Steve recognizing each other would be amusing.

Clairemom, Tortura and Veronica recognising each other from college even more so.

I've long thought that Claire's mother, Veronica and Beatrice would make a nice 'Moms Gone Wild' group to totally embarrass Marten, Claire and Hannelore with their drunken antics (six clubs they're banned from for life and more expected to come). We won't talk about the bar fights they've started (and won).

As for Tortura, she'd be great if she was the student counsellor at Sam's school. The more grabby boys in the school have got a bit more circumspect after the first chloroformed, stripped and bound wannabe Casanova was found in a dumpster.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: JoeCovenant on 01 Mar 2017, 03:06
It's also possible that Hanners might have deliberately chosen a tea varietal that leans more 'anthro-unicorn in banana hammock' than 'pastoral unicorn', to elicit embarrassment from Roko.  Or it might reflect more of a psychological difference between Roko and Bubbles.  I'm not rejecting the possibility you mentioned, because I'm also mulling over that hypothesis.

"Tea?"
"Earl Grey."

"...... HOT!"
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Thrillho on 01 Mar 2017, 04:22
This strip has confused the everloving shit out of me.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: osaka on 01 Mar 2017, 04:29
I never thought we'd see Tortura again. I like that her worst case scenario isn't that her boyfriend gets brainwashed by the CIA.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: St.Clair on 01 Mar 2017, 04:32
Will you help me hide a bodyyyy? (http://Will you help me hide a bodyyyy?)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: brasca on 01 Mar 2017, 04:34
*THAT* is how you do a call-back.

Indeed and it's also a nice reminder to everyone complaining about how ludicrous the previous plot arc was that there were others. 
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: BenRG on 01 Mar 2017, 04:39
This strip has confused the everloving shit out of me.

Ugh... Oh God... Okay, I'll try this.

Okay, Steve is actually an ex-CIA spook. His last big mission (against an anonymous Dr Evil/Bloefeld-style villain) left him pretty much burned out. In continuity terms, the mission seems to have taken place between Marten and Faye moving in together and Faye's 'relationship' with Sven breaking down. However, the villain had a Femme Fatale/Black Hat Bond Girl sidekick called Tortura, who apparently threatened to torture Steve before he seduced her - I suspect that her heel-face turn was key to the villain's defeat. This is a link to the flashback summary strip (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1350).

Anyway, when we next see her (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1406), Tortura has evidently escaped the custody of The Company and has tracked Steve down. She knew it was over between them but wanted to say goodbye to Steve before continuing her escape plan.

Now we find out what her escape plan was. She's settled down somewhere and is attempting to get started as a children's author of all things. However, she's having second thoughts about her boyfriend and wanted to talk to Steve about it (he being the closest thing to a friend she has... who is still alive at least). As far as Marten and Cossette know, she's just a weird ex-girlfriend of Steve's. They couldn't be more wrong!  :-D
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: bhtooefr on 01 Mar 2017, 05:05
To be fair, Cosette now has an idea, most likely...
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Zebediah on 01 Mar 2017, 05:19
So Tortura just showed up unannounced in Steve's kitchen this morning. Didn't even bother to knock, because she didn't come in through the door anyway. Steve is completely unfazed by this because he knows how Tortura rolls.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Nepiophage on 01 Mar 2017, 05:30
I never thought we'd see Tortura again. I like that her worst case scenario isn't that her boyfriend gets brainwashed by the CIA.
Note that she said ".. and tries to kill me." I think she knows she  will be more than a match for him.  But it would damage their  relationship all the same.

Also -- Cosette's eyes! Having been brown, blue and grey, they now have no colour at all!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 01 Mar 2017, 05:36
Can we maybe give Roko the benefit of the doubt here? Maybe she wants to apologize to Bubbles. *shrug*

Can we? Sure. Should we? Probably. Omniscient 3rd person perspective and all we can figure everything she has done is on the up and up and innocent. From Hanner's perspective though, she doesn't know anything about Officer Roko except she's a possible danger to her friend Bubbles.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: theMarc on 01 Mar 2017, 08:25
I missed Tortura. She's one of my favorite one-off characters.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Mojo on 01 Mar 2017, 08:36
Man, it's been so long since we saw Steve, I actually wondered who that was.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: TinPenguin on 01 Mar 2017, 09:55
Let me put it this way: I don't think I would have recognised Steve if not for Tortura.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Morituri on 01 Mar 2017, 11:14
I missed Tortura. She's one of my favorite one-off characters.

Well, now she's a three-off character.

We are agreed, though, about her being off.

Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Kugai on 01 Mar 2017, 11:52
At least she still cares about Steve  :-D
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Castlerook on 01 Mar 2017, 12:54
Let me put it this way: I don't think I would have recognised Steve if not for Tortura.

He had a bowl in hand and a pompadour hairstyle. The two hallmarks of Steve!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Gyrre on 01 Mar 2017, 14:47
Also -- Cosette's eyes! Having been brown, blue and grey, they now have no colour at all!
She must have an array of colored contact lenses.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Storel on 01 Mar 2017, 15:11
"I find you; feed you to pigs" shall be my favourite way of seeing somebody off henceforth!
"Feed you to peegs!" is how my imagination pronounced it.

Me too!

Yeah, that was a great callback. Totally unexpected, and funny!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: WareWolf on 01 Mar 2017, 19:44
So Tortura just showed up unannounced in Steve's kitchen this morning. Didn't even bother to knock, because she didn't come in through the door anyway. Steve is completely unfazed by this because he knows how Tortura rolls.

I can see this setting up a Tortura vs. Creepybot scene.

"How did you get in here?"

"How did YOU get in here!?"
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Ztyx on 01 Mar 2017, 22:07
I think everyone's missing the really important question.

When will The Little Girl who Hid the Bodies be available on Amazon?

I suspect one option to get a similar feel would be buying "The Adventures of the Princess and Mr. Whiffle: The Thing Beneath the Bed"

Or "The Little Girl Who Hid the Bodies" is a similar inversion. I must say they'd look great next to each others in the bookshelf though. Sadly, so far only TAotPaMW:TTBtB seems to be the only one publicly available. :(
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Storel on 01 Mar 2017, 23:53
No new comic yet -- did Jeph forget to queue it up before he left for the con?

So Tortura just showed up unannounced in Steve's kitchen this morning. Didn't even bother to knock, because she didn't come in through the door anyway. Steve is completely unfazed by this because he knows how Tortura rolls.

I can see this setting up a Tortura vs. Creepybot scene.

"How did you get in here?"

"How did YOU get in here!?"

The really weird part would be if Steve recognized Creepybot.  :psyduck:

(Edited to remove double-post.)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: badbum61 on 02 Mar 2017, 00:05

It's also possible that Hanners might have deliberately chosen a tea varietal that leans more 'anthro-unicorn in banana hammock' than 'pastoral unicorn', to elicit embarrassment from Roko.

Fifty Shades Of Earl Grey?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: BenRG on 02 Mar 2017, 01:35
New Comic Up!

I think that the problem here is that Hannelore didn't communicate clearly enough to Dora what she found and why Dora might care whether Hannelore gave it as a gift to her friend. In this case, a valuable industrial-era antique that a collector almost certainly would want to bid for on eBay.

Key Learning: Dora should be more careful about getting details before agreeing with Hannelore in the future.

Y'know, I can't help but wonder what else might be down there? The hardware upon which the first AI compiled? Claire's dad living in a cardboard box? The corpse of Spookybot's creator (still in the refrigerator)?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Gyrre on 02 Mar 2017, 01:46
There's probably a mammalogist who could use it for some longtidinal study on the effects of a changing urban environment on small animals living there who just needs the dietary portion for their study.

Either that or a future  'Golden Fleece Award' (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Fleece_Award) recipient (they really need to bring those back).

Edit: forgot to specify exactly why they'd need the mouse droppings.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: TinPenguin on 02 Mar 2017, 01:52
I think that the problem here is that Hannelore didn't communicate clearly enough to Dora what she found and why Dora might care whether Hannelore gave it as a gift to her friend.

"Hey Dora, I found this ugly old clock in the cellar, I wondered if my friend Brun might like it."
"Yeah, whatever."
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Tawdry Quirks on 02 Mar 2017, 03:25
As great as the miscommunication about the clock is, I think the part that amuses me most about this strip is the waiver to visit the basement.  Or specifically that there's enough of a demand to visit the basement that they even need to have a waiver pre-drafted.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Akima on 02 Mar 2017, 04:01
I think that the problem here is that Hannelore didn't communicate clearly enough to Dora what she found and why Dora might care whether Hannelore gave it as a gift to her friend. In this case, a valuable industrial-era antique that a collector almost certainly would want to bid for on eBay.
You're assuming that Hannelore knew there was something more special about the clock than "this is an old clock and I have a friend who is interested in clocks". You can't communicate what you don't know.

Clairemom, Tortura and Veronica recognising each other from college even more so.
:-o
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: osaka on 02 Mar 2017, 04:05
So Tortura just showed up unannounced in Steve's kitchen this morning. Didn't even bother to knock, because she didn't come in through the door anyway. Steve is completely unfazed by this because he knows how Tortura rolls.

I can see this setting up a Tortura vs. Creepybot scene.

"How did you get in here?"

"How did YOU get in here!?"

NEXT UP: Tortura signs up for companion AI because she doesn't want kids, ends up with Mercedes. Hilarity ensues.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: BenRG on 02 Mar 2017, 04:12
I think that the problem here is that Hannelore didn't communicate clearly enough to Dora what she found and why Dora might care whether Hannelore gave it as a gift to her friend. In this case, a valuable industrial-era antique that a collector almost certainly would want to bid for on eBay.

You're assuming that Hannelore knew there was something more special about the clock than "this is an old clock and I have a friend who is interested in clocks". You can't communicate what you don't know.

That's true but it's an assumption that I feel safe in making. To me, in panel 5, Hannelore isn't saying: "Well, I didn't know", she's saying: "Maybe you should be more aware of what's down there!"
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: brasca on 02 Mar 2017, 05:01
I think that the problem here is that Hannelore didn't communicate clearly enough to Dora what she found and why Dora might care whether Hannelore gave it as a gift to her friend. In this case, a valuable industrial-era antique that a collector almost certainly would want to bid for on eBay.
You're assuming that Hannelore knew there was something more special about the clock than "this is an old clock and I have a friend who is interested in clocks". You can't communicate what you don't know.

Clairemom, Tortura and Veronica recognising each other from college even more so.
:-o

Precisely.  I doubt Hannelore knew that it was a valuable antique, but could tell it was old and something Brun might be interested in.  It could just as easily have been discarded like Charles Foster Kane's sled if there wasn't an expert on clocks there. 
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: JoeCovenant on 02 Mar 2017, 05:42
It's a bit of a leap though, isn't it?

H: "Can Brun have this old clock I found?"
D: "Meh..."

The above takes place - and Hannelore finds it's actual dollar worth.

Between the penultimate and last panels surely Hannelore must have thought... "Oops!"
And then had a discussion with Brun that, actually, that's a LOT of money and CoD struggles as it is....

I dunno if I'd be happy to accept losing $3000 on a whim of an employee, without ALL required knowledge.

H: "But you said she could have it!"
D: "That's when it was only described as an old clock! An Old VALUABLE clock is an entirely different matter!"

But then, I suppose that wouldn't be as funny... nor get Brun's face in the last panel!

(I didn't twig that Hannelore and Brun were so CLOSE, though!?)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: jheartney on 02 Mar 2017, 05:58
WRT $3k walking out the door, I doubt Hanners has much concept of what that means; she has never wanted for money. Now, if Dora decided that maybe she shouldn't be held to an agreement made without proper information, she could probably make it stick; it depends on how much she cares if Hanners gets mad at her. We're also taking Brun's word for the valuation, which may not be justified.

If Brun really does have that encyclopedic knowledge of antique clocks, she might have a career path other than bartending. Or perhaps on top of bartending (she could moonlight at the new Whale while building a daytime gig as an antique clock expert).
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: JohnTheWysard on 02 Mar 2017, 10:13
Am I the only one getting a PBS "Antiques Roadshow" flashback?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: OldGoat on 02 Mar 2017, 10:50
Am I the only one getting a PBS "Antiques Roadshow" flashback?
Nope.  If Brun is willing to travel, she can staff the horology desk on AR.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Timemaster on 02 Mar 2017, 11:12
Hey, that´s my clock. It even bears my name. Give it back to me!  :-D

I never heard of a antique clock named "TimeMaster Model C", but it reminds me a lot of the Bauhaus inspired clocks Max Bill designed for the german watch company Junghans in the 1950´s:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Bill

Those are real classics and sought after by collectors. There is even a wristwatch collection by Junghans today, wich bears the name "Max Bill" and is quite popular in Germany:
http://www.junghans.de/en/junghans-collection/watches/maxbill/detail.html
Just look at the resemblance of the dial and the hands. The jeweller I am working for even sells them. They are quite good and not too pricey.

I tried googling "TimeMaster Model C", but to no avail. But there has been an old clock manufacturer named TimeMaster. I´m not sure if Jeph made up the precious Model C. But the antique clock brand TimeMaster is definitely for real.

You can see, I´m in my element here...  :wink:

TM
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Ztyx on 02 Mar 2017, 11:36
There's probably a mammalogist who could use it for some longtidinal study on the effects of a changing urban environment on small animals living there who just needs the dietary portion for their study.

Either that or a future  'Golden Fleece Award' (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Fleece_Award) recipient (they really need to bring those back).

Edit: forgot to specify exactly why they'd need the mouse droppings.

It did remind me of the tale of the lost lizard poop.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/feb/07/animals-wildlife-butaan-lizard-faeces-daniel-bennett-leeds-university
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: chris73 on 02 Mar 2017, 12:00
Naah Brun should offer the clock back because you shouldn't really take advantage of COD like that
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Castlerook on 02 Mar 2017, 12:15
WRT $3k walking out the door, I doubt Hanners has much concept of what that means; she has never wanted for money. Now, if Dora decided that maybe she shouldn't be held to an agreement made without proper information, she could probably make it stick; it depends on how much she cares if Hanners gets mad at her. We're also taking Brun's word for the valuation, which may not be justified.

I can see Dora getting angry, or at the least, annoyed, with Hanners for this. Coffee of Doom is doing alright, but at the same time, alright can change very quickly. That's a sizeable chunk of change for a small business; I've worked in a small shop and depending on the time of year, that 3000 could easily be several days takings. For Hanners, its a gift for her friend. For Dora, that's wages and bills and stock going out the door.

Then again, this reminds me of "Time on Our Hands", the 1996 episode of Only Fools & Horses, where the main characters found they had an incredibly valuable watch in storage for years and it ended up selling at auction for several million.

As great as the miscommunication about the clock is, I think the part that amuses me most about this strip is the waiver to visit the basement.  Or specifically that there's enough of a demand to visit the basement that they even need to have a waiver pre-drafted.

Its a health and safety concern. A coffee roaster for a shop like that, depending on when it was made, would be a hefty piece of industrial equipment. Dora knows how to use it, Hanners too. But Brun doesn't and could potentially be injured if she were to mess around with it. The waiver might seem like a joke, but Dora is just watching out for herself and her business with that waiver.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: cucumber error on 02 Mar 2017, 12:24
If Brun really does have that encyclopedic knowledge of antique clocks, she might have a career path other than bartending. Or perhaps on top of bartending (she could moonlight at the new Whale while building a daytime gig as an antique clock expert).

Possibly the museum owner who bought Faye's Espressosaurus has some work for Brun...
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Method of Madness on 02 Mar 2017, 12:29
To be fair, Dora only knows how much it's potentially worth (if it's working order) because Brun told them.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: chris73 on 02 Mar 2017, 12:40
To be fair, Dora only knows how much it's potentially worth (if it's working order) because Brun told them.

The clock should be offered back to Dora or maybe split the profits when sold, I doubt Dora would have given the clock away if she knew how much it was worth
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Castlerook on 02 Mar 2017, 12:43
To be fair, Dora only knows how much it's potentially worth (if it's working order) because Brun told them.

Its still a pain in the ass to see money go out the door like that.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Tova on 02 Mar 2017, 13:28
I think that the problem here is that Hannelore didn't communicate clearly enough to Dora what she found and why Dora might care whether Hannelore gave it as a gift to her friend. In this case, a valuable industrial-era antique that a collector almost certainly would want to bid for on eBay.

You're assuming that Hannelore knew there was something more special about the clock than "this is an old clock and I have a friend who is interested in clocks". You can't communicate what you don't know.

That's true but it's an assumption that I feel safe in making. To me, in panel 5, Hannelore isn't saying: "Well, I didn't know", she's saying: "Maybe you should be more aware of what's down there!"

You think it's safe to assume that Hanners knowingly defrauded Dora?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: jheartney on 02 Mar 2017, 13:31
The clock should be offered back to Dora or maybe split the profits when sold, I doubt Dora would have given the clock away if she knew how much it was worth

Brun is likely quite uninterested in selling this valuable start on a new clock collection. Maybe when she's employed she can get some renter's insurance to cover it.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Kugai on 02 Mar 2017, 13:40
Give it time Dora, Hanners has yet to find the secret door to the hidden treasure toom left over from the Prohibition Era.   :-D

The waiver makes sense  after all, what's down there are an industrial grade Coffee Grinder and  Roaster.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Castlerook on 02 Mar 2017, 13:43
I think that the problem here is that Hannelore didn't communicate clearly enough to Dora what she found and why Dora might care whether Hannelore gave it as a gift to her friend. In this case, a valuable industrial-era antique that a collector almost certainly would want to bid for on eBay.

You're assuming that Hannelore knew there was something more special about the clock than "this is an old clock and I have a friend who is interested in clocks". You can't communicate what you don't know.

That's true but it's an assumption that I feel safe in making. To me, in panel 5, Hannelore isn't saying: "Well, I didn't know", she's saying: "Maybe you should be more aware of what's down there!"

You think it's safe to assume that Hanners knowingly defrauded Dora?

I wouldn't say knowingly or intended to. With two parents who are rich enough to be have Bond Villain-esque workplaces (volcano for HannerMom and space station for HannerDad), I think Hanners has a very different concept of money compared to the rest of the cast. $3000 might sound like a pittance to her, but for someone like Dora, who does walk a thin line despite being a business owner....well, like I said, earlier, it can be jarring to see that kind of money being given away, especially when Dora didn't know about the clock's value.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Tova on 02 Mar 2017, 14:29
Yes, it would be a bit jarring. On the other hand, if Brun had never walked through the door, Dora would probably eventually have just chucked the thing out.

It's a bit of a freak occurrence, after all. You wouldn't have any idea unless you had specialist knowledge. Pick up some random old clock and it will most likely be worthless... precisely because there are so many of them out there. The odds of finding something like this are low (by definition, really).

I don't think that Hanners is so dislocated from reality that she thinks $3000 doesn't mean anything to Dora. I think it's far more likely that it didn't occur to Hanners that an old cheap-looking clock is rare and thus valuable. If she'd had the required knowledge, then Brun and Hanners would have had at least one excited clock conversation by now. Instead, they had a pun conversation. :)

Hey, maybe 50-year-old mouse poop is, in fact, rare and valuable*.

* Probably not.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: pendrake on 02 Mar 2017, 14:40
For comic Number 3429...

*comes up to counter*

One WTF-size Iced Cappuccino, please.

[Dora]: That'll be 5000 dollars.

*checks wallet*  Dang.  *puts down three 20-dollar bills* Okay, give me an Iced Blood instead.

 :evil:

(Do not 'get' my joke?  Check the prices sign behind Dora.)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: chris73 on 02 Mar 2017, 15:00
Brun is likely quite uninterested in selling this valuable start on a new clock collection. Maybe when she's employed she can get some renter's insurance to cover it.
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In that case it definitely should be given back to Dora
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: DonInKansas on 02 Mar 2017, 15:53
Give it time Dora, Hanners has yet to find the secret door to the hidden treasure toom left over from the Prohibition Era.   :-D

The waiver makes sense  after all, what's down there are an industrial grade Coffee Grinder and  Roaster.

Don't forget possible death by Coffee Spiders.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: ZoeB on 02 Mar 2017, 16:03
Bear in mind that Brun is in an extremely precarious financial position, having lost everything but the clothes on her back, a cuckoo clock, and a small cardboard box of smokedamaged items recently.

She didn't keep the knowledge of the clock's worth hidden either. She could have easily kept her mouth shut, and sold the "junk that was cluttering up the basement" without telling anyone. There was no intent to take advantage.

Now if it were me... I'd release Dora from the promise of the gift, as she was acting without essential knowledge. I would also ask for a substantial fee for my expert horological opinion and valuation, and perhaps a commission on the sale as Dora's knowledge of where and how to get the best price is likely to be scant.

Whereas if I were Dora, I'd insist the gift still stood, and call it some Karma that someone who had lost so much due to misfortune should now gain a little by chance.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: chris73 on 02 Mar 2017, 16:25
Whereas if I were Dora, I'd insist the gift still stood, and call it some Karma that someone who had lost so much due to misfortune should now gain a little by chance.
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Just as simple and fair to sell the clock and split the proceeds
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: jheartney on 02 Mar 2017, 16:44
On the subject of the Waiver, you could make the case that there are valuable trade secrets (i.e. the secret of Spider Coffee) in the basement. But then Brun should be signing an NDA, not a waiver. (Also, the Health Department might have a few words about Spider Coffee.)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: osaka on 02 Mar 2017, 16:49
For comic Number 3429...

*comes up to counter*

One WTF-size Iced Cappuccino, please.

[Dora]: That'll be 5000 dollars.

*checks wallet*  Dang.  *puts down three 20-dollar bills* Okay, give me an Iced Blood instead.

 :evil:

(Do not 'get' my joke?  Check the prices sign behind Dora.)

Almost positive the 5k is on WTF sized Americano. The capuccino isn't in that board.
And on that note, I'm baffled that if you're selling americanos at 5k a pop you'd be mad because someone found a clock and gifted it to a friend and then learned that clock is worth 3k
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Zebediah on 02 Mar 2017, 17:09
The $5000 coffee is merely an ironic reference to The Lego Movie. I seriously doubt she's actually sold any at that price.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Tova on 02 Mar 2017, 17:14
Didn't I read an article recently proclaiming spider coffee as the new super food?  Turmeric is passé these days. :-D
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: jheartney on 02 Mar 2017, 17:40
Just thought I'd mention how much cuter and less-threatening Brun is with raised eyebrows.

OTOH Brun still hasn't got a mention on the Cast page (Bubbles and May both got put on it, although May didn't get an official name, just an insulting description). And Spookybot should probably be put on there too. I'm on the fence about Roko.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 02 Mar 2017, 19:16
Hanners is tidying ... in the Spider Zone ... without a hazmat suit. Woo-oh!

My search for 'TimeMaster Model C' was inconclusive.
My search for 'spider coffee' was ... interesting. (https://mysmallpotatoesdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/bowlospiders.jpg)

I agree with ZoeB that if Brün passes the clock back, she deserves a fee for her expertise.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: brasca on 02 Mar 2017, 22:40
I know the feeling.  I'd cut off my left arm to be ambidextrous. 
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: jheartney on 02 Mar 2017, 22:50
Brun is getting a bargain; normally those clocks cost an arm and a leg.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: BenRG on 02 Mar 2017, 23:23
I foresee an impending traumatic incident (for Dora) in which she realises that Brun is unable to properly interpret sarcastic humour and was literally about to cut off her leg. Dora will be apologetic and freaked out in a pretty thorough manner. Oddly enough, it is Hannelore, who will have an apologetic Dora hanging around her for ages and begging for forgiveness, who is going to suffer the most lasting consequences.

Meanwhile Brun, being Brun, will just be wondering why Dora changed her mind about the leg.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Gyrre on 02 Mar 2017, 23:46
Am I the only one getting a PBS "Antiques Roadshow" flashback?
Nope.  If Brun is willing to travel, she can staff the horology desk on AR.
Or she could go to the Museum Speelklok (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FkJgug5ycZE).

EDIT: 'Speelklok' means musical clock, so I assume Brun would love the place.

"The museum is located in Utrecht, The Netherlands. It has a collection of automatically playing musical instruments, most of which still work and therefore still can play their music. Among the instruments on display are music boxes, musical clocks, pianolas, barrel organs (including the typically Dutch large street organs) and a turret clock with carillon." Many of the works on display are well over 50 years old as well.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: ZoeB on 03 Mar 2017, 00:52
Brun is likely quite uninterested in selling this valuable start on a new clock collection.

I'd say you called it. :laugh:
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: ZoeB on 03 Mar 2017, 00:57
Now if it were me... I'd release Dora from the promise of the gift, as she was acting without essential knowledge....

Whereas if I were Dora, I'd insist the gift still stood...

Ok, I didn't predict the leg bit. And Brun not being willing to sell had already been called.

But I'll call that close enough. They're both my kind of people.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: BenRG on 03 Mar 2017, 01:28
Maybe it's my occasional Friday downer mood but I'm thinking that there may be a chilly phase in Dora and Hannelore's relationship in the offing. If Brun actually tries to hurt herself and Hannelore blames Dora, it could take a while for both of them to come to terms with each other (although the real culprit will be the scare that Brun gave them both).
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: TinPenguin on 03 Mar 2017, 02:29
Brun is not an idiot or a child.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: BenRG on 03 Mar 2017, 02:54
However, she does seem to have serious problems with identifying and understanding sarcasm. She wants that clock and apparently values it more than her leg. I don't think that she'll get hurt but I suspect that she will be a puzzled spectator to a panicked argument between Dora and Hannelore.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Zebediah on 03 Mar 2017, 03:34
Or, this could just be Brun's sense of humor manifesting itself on one of her more functional days. She's totally deadpan but willing to play along with an obvious ridiculous joke just to get a rise out of Hannelore. It's actually Hannelore who's having trouble interpreting what's real here.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: oeoek on 03 Mar 2017, 03:41
Nah, no biggie. Chop goes the leg, Brun gets a robot-leg, and robot-hand-Clinton goes nuts.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: brasca on 03 Mar 2017, 04:47
Or, this could just be Brun's sense of humor manifesting itself on one of her more functional days. She's totally deadpan but willing to play along with an obvious ridiculous joke just to get a rise out of Hannelore. It's actually Hannelore who's having trouble interpreting what's real here.

Agreed.  She started with dog puns and now she's progressed to playing along with Dora.  And it's a nice way to pay Dora back for getting an expensive clock for free. 
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: USS Martenclaire on 03 Mar 2017, 05:38
Well don't just stand there Hanners, hop to it!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Method of Madness on 03 Mar 2017, 06:00
Well don't just stand there Hanners, chop to it!
:claireface:
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: jheartney on 03 Mar 2017, 06:20
I don't think Brun is joking. But I also don't think this is anything more than a silly one-off joke. I'm glad that Hanners is putting her foot down, pointing out that Brun's Achilles heel is her inability to see when someone is pulling her leg.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: shanejayell on 03 Mar 2017, 07:27
"pulling her leg"

Heh.

Dora kinda needs to stop and go "I probably would have thrown it out as junk" and let it go.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Mad Cat on 03 Mar 2017, 09:06
Sadly, I don't know the character of Brün well enough to know whether she's joking or not, but I'm leaning toward not.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Castlerook on 03 Mar 2017, 11:02
I don't think that Hanners is so dislocated from reality that she thinks $3000 doesn't mean anything to Dora. I think it's far more likely that it didn't occur to Hanners that an old cheap-looking clock is rare and thus valuable.

I never said that Hanners was "dislocated from reality", nor did I imply it. All I said was that she might have a different way of viewing money due to her background. Especially considering she grew up on a space station through her childhood and teenage years. What I was saying is that Hanners has a different perception of money compared to her friends.

Think of it like this - I assume that you are, like me, from a Eurozone country. My first job was around the time of the Euro switchover, so I was earning about £80 a week, so £5 was used for everything and £20 notes were pretty common and under no circumstances, you never saw a £50 note. Then the switchover, and the €20 became the new £5 and €50 were everywhere. 16 years later, I still shudder when I have to break a €50 note, but you look at someone who might be a few years younger, they can hand it over without a second thought. A different perception.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Kugai on 03 Mar 2017, 13:43
So, Dora is trying to get a leg up in the antiques business   :claireface:

I think there are some jokes that Hanners is uncomfortable with if they carry on too long.



Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Tova on 03 Mar 2017, 17:30
I don't think that Hanners is so dislocated from reality that she thinks $3000 doesn't mean anything to Dora. I think it's far more likely that it didn't occur to Hanners that an old cheap-looking clock is rare and thus valuable.

I never said that Hanners was "dislocated from reality", nor did I imply it. All I said was that she might have a different way of viewing money due to her background. Especially considering she grew up on a space station through her childhood and teenage years. What I was saying is that Hanners has a different perception of money compared to her friends.

Think of it like this - I assume that you are, like me, from a Eurozone country. My first job was around the time of the Euro switchover, so I was earning about £80 a week, so £5 was used for everything and £20 notes were pretty common and under no circumstances, you never saw a £50 note. Then the switchover, and the €20 became the new £5 and €50 were everywhere. 16 years later, I still shudder when I have to break a €50 note, but you look at someone who might be a few years younger, they can hand it over without a second thought. A different perception.

Your example is a very different thing from assuming that because a few thousand dollars is small beer for you, then it must be small beer for everyone else as well.

If she merely feels that way about her own finances, then that is "a different perception."
If she thinks everyone else shares her perception, then that is "dislocated from reality."
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Castlerook on 03 Mar 2017, 17:53

Your example is a very different thing from assuming that because a few thousand dollars is small beer for you, then it must be small beer for everyone else as well.

Hanners has had a lot of worries in her life, but money has never been one of them from what we've seen. She has a job that she doesn't need for money, but for improving her own social skills.
Dora has, on several occasions, said that while CoD is doing alright, it could be doing better. She's a young entrepreneur, unless she was very diligent in saving her money, Dora more than likely had to borrow the money to set up CoD. She has to pay the wages of half a dozen employees, pay for supplies, pay bills and presumably pay back the money she might have borrowed. All that on top of her own needs, rent, food, something resembling her own wages. It can be jarring to see a large chunk of money like that go out the door without knowing it was there.

My original point was and remains that Dora is right to feel annoyed that there's money walking out the door and for Hanners seeming rather blase about it.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Tova on 04 Mar 2017, 01:31
I sympathise with her reaction (to money walking out the door), it's completely understandable.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: DSL on 04 Mar 2017, 08:40
Probably too easy, but Hanners, with access to more money than Croesus, could easily pay Dora antique-market value for the clock out of couch-cushion money and gift it to Brun.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Kugai on 04 Mar 2017, 13:02
Lets be honest Hanners could finance a CoD Franchise if she and Dora were so inclined.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Castlerook on 04 Mar 2017, 13:41
Yeah, but I think Dora already has some thoughts on that (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=924).
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Y on 04 Mar 2017, 17:10
I don't think Brun is joking. But I also don't think this is anything more than a silly one-off joke. I'm glad that Hanners is putting her foot down, pointing out that Brun's Achilles heel is her inability to see when someone is pulling her leg.
I'm not sure if she literally thinks that. In fact I do that playing along all the time, until someone interrupts and explains to me they didn't mean it literally or so, while I actually knew that. In fact come to think about there are more times I thought something was figurative while they actually literally meant something.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: fayelovesbubbles on 04 Mar 2017, 22:39
K so am I the only one starting to really dislike Dora? It's weird, when I started reading I hated Faye, but she's changed and grown so much as a person. But Dora's dickishness never seems to fade. From getting butthurt over her shitty web page and dissing Marigold for having no friends/life, now getting pissed because Brun wants a clock that she never even gave a crap about until she found out it was worth money.

Dora is being a dick. I hope she matures a bit.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: brasca on 05 Mar 2017, 04:52
Dora isn't going back on her agreement, but that doesn't mean she can't gripe about it the way most people would if they knew they accidentally let someone walk away with a few thousand dollars of their property.  It seems to me that she's being of good cheer and involving Brun in a joke. 
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: A small perverse otter on 05 Mar 2017, 08:19
[...]Brun's Achilles heel is her inability to see when someone is pulling her leg.
Dora really is being a bit of a heel here and Hanners is completely right to step on her.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: JimC on 05 Mar 2017, 12:45
Presumably, though, the clock was never truly Dora's but abandoned by a previous tenant, or maybe owned by the landlord, so doesn't that raise some significant complications if its valuable?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: fayelovesbubbles on 06 Mar 2017, 07:58
I still think Dora's being a dick. She makes these little comments that are "joking" on the surface but make her look like a dick.

"Oh, I'm sorry, I was too busy HAVING A BOYFRIEND and RUNNING A BUSINESS to fix my web page" when Marigold points out how crappy it is.

"Do you have anything else you want to give away, Hanners?"

Just not liking her right now.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: jiw7 on 09 Nov 2018, 22:29
... Brun still hasn't got a mention on the Cast page (Bubbles and May both got put on it, although May didn't get an official name, just an insulting description). [...] I'm on the fence about Roko.

I imagine May's name is missing on the cast page ( https://www.questionablecontent.net/cast.php ) due to some horrible human editing error.  :-)
I think it would be nice if both Brun and Roko were on the page.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 10 Nov 2018, 07:43
Welcome, new person!

The cast page is often out of date.