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Title: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: BenRG on 30 Jul 2017, 14:09
The poll may seem random but, if there is one thing I've learned about creative writing, never assume that an object is not a Chekhov's Gun until it is buried safely in a pail of sand and forgotten.

What would I like to see? I'd like to see is for the curio to actually be nothing but for the characters to spend weeks trying to work it out and failing because, in the end, they all expect that it is something. We learn lots about the characters in the process (what we 'expect' is informed by our subconscious wants and desires, after all). Maybe there would be some kind of final-reel twist when we learn it was planted by Spookybot for some mysterious purpose (that Jeph is holding back for Strip 4000).

As for this week's strips? I really have no idea where Jeph is going to go. The last three strips of last week had the feel of a palette cleanser so Jeph might go absolutely anywhere. The obvious favourite options are:
One less obvious option (but one I'd like to see) is how are Claire's studies going. If graduation is soon, has she had thoughts about her long-term future? More importantly, what has Marten been thinking and doing in that area?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Case on 30 Jul 2017, 16:08
Which Charles Augustine are you referring to? The dead first husband of the Republican Senator?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: cesium133 on 30 Jul 2017, 16:10
The time-traveling grandson of St. Augustine and Charles de Gaulle.  :psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Kugai on 30 Jul 2017, 16:11
In the beginning, there was The Cube.......
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Case on 30 Jul 2017, 16:12
The time-traveling grandson of St. Augustine and Charles de Gaulle.  :psyduck:

Nah, that's just JC Denton (again).
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: NemesisDancer on 30 Jul 2017, 17:40
One less obvious option (but one I'd like to see) is how are Claire's studies going. If graduation is soon, has she had thoughts about her long-term future?

I've been thinking about this too, and particularly how she's been getting on working in the library. We've not seen much of Claire's bookwormy side lately and I miss it ^_^;;
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Thrudd on 30 Jul 2017, 18:35
In the beginning, there was The Cube.......
The Sphere .....
The Cone ....

Together they are ....... The Primaries.
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Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Method of Madness on 30 Jul 2017, 19:29
The poll may seem random but, if there is one thing I've learned about creative writing, never assume that an object is not a Chekhov's Gun until it is buried safely in a pail of sand and forgotten.
Not even then! That's when it's most dangerous!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: OldGoat on 30 Jul 2017, 20:05
Aaaaand Jeph takes it off in another direction we (or at least I) wasn't expecting.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Near Lurker on 30 Jul 2017, 20:10
Shenanigans, Renee.  Shenanigans.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: SmilingCat on 30 Jul 2017, 20:20
The object is a Gonkulator, obviously.

Also, no, Renee. Bad.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Isyrion on 30 Jul 2017, 20:39
OH very very very very nice....now I don't feel weird about thinking Elliot is cute now :D....now how to reach into the comic and get him gift wrapped.....J/K but damn wish I could meet a dude that had his qualities where I'm at.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: comicalArchitect on 30 Jul 2017, 20:42
We really really needed more queer male representation in QC, so I'm very pleased with this development.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: QuestionableIntentions on 30 Jul 2017, 20:45
Squee, Elliot you cutie pie :3
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: snufflebottoms on 30 Jul 2017, 21:07
the triangle grows more complicated
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: cesium133 on 30 Jul 2017, 21:31
Clinton likes Brun.
Elliot likes Brun and Clinton.
Brun likes clocks.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Kugai on 30 Jul 2017, 21:39
Clocks like Clinton

The circle is  complete  :claireface:



Elliott. The Mountain Mushball
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: A Duck on 30 Jul 2017, 21:51
Ho-ho-holy shit! Elliot's bi? That's awesome! I always thought QC needed some non-straight dudes.

Also, between the Clinton-Renee-Elliot love mobius strip and the Faye-Bubbles Schrodinger's affection, It's like Jeph has taken these last few months to screw with the shippers. I love it!

It's surreal that Marten is completely stable in a relationship while all this is going on. I think the love-drama spirit who haunted him has left and is now haunting everyone else at once to make up the difference.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Near Lurker on 30 Jul 2017, 21:55
Where has Scott been, anyway?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: cesium133 on 30 Jul 2017, 21:57
To be fair, Jeph has been screwing with shippers since day one.

Okay, maybe day 3 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3).
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Tova on 30 Jul 2017, 22:05
Who still thinks that Elliott's reaction to accidental flirting was due to toxic masculinity?

I asked at the time what the difference was between that and there Bubbles/Faye interaction, and I think it's clear now that the two interactions were more similar than different, in spite of one being labeled toxic.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: MrNumbers on 30 Jul 2017, 22:16
Sweeps everything off his desk, tears down his shipping board, sends a flurry of pins and coloured ribbon flying around the room.

Tʜɪs ᴄʜᴀɴɢᴇs ᴇᴠᴇʀʏᴛʜɪɴɢ

Tʜᴇʀᴇ ɪs sᴏ ᴍᴜᴄʜ ᴡᴏʀᴋ ᴛᴏ ʙᴇ ᴅᴏɴᴇ

(http://i.imgur.com/qlUdmsg.jpg)

Tʜᴇ ᴘᴇɴᴛᴀᴄʟᴇ ʜᴀs ʙᴇᴇɴ ᴅʀᴀᴡɴ ɪɴ ᴛʜᴇ sᴡᴇᴇᴛᴇsᴛ ᴏꜰ sᴜɢᴀʀs, ᴀɴᴅ ᴛʜᴇ ʟɪɴᴇs ꜰɪʟʟᴇᴅ ᴡɪᴛʜ ᴀʀᴏᴍᴀᴛɪᴄ ʜᴇʀʙs ᴏꜰ ᴀ ᴍᴏsᴛ ᴘʟᴇᴀsɪɴɢ sᴄᴇɴᴛ.

(http://i.imgur.com/epC3DEn.jpg)

Iɴsɪᴅᴇ ᴀɴ ᴏꜰꜰᴇʀɪɴɢ ᴏꜰ ᴀ ʀᴇʟᴀxɪɴɢ ʙʟᴀᴄᴋ ᴛᴇᴀ. I ʜᴀᴠᴇ ᴄʜᴏsᴇɴ Dɪᴘʟᴏᴍᴀᴛ ʙʀᴀɴᴅ Eɴɢʟɪsʜ Bʀᴇᴀᴋꜰᴀsᴛ ᴀɴᴅ ɢʀᴏᴜɴᴅᴇᴅ ᴛʜᴇ ᴄɪʀᴄʟᴇ ʙʏ ᴛʜᴇ sᴛʀɪɴɢ, ʙᴜᴛ ᴀɴʏ sᴜꜰꜰɪᴄɪᴇɴᴛ Eʀᴏsᴍᴀɢᴇ ᴍᴀʏ ᴜsᴇ ᴛʜᴇ ᴏꜰꜰᴇʀɪɴɢ ᴛʜᴀᴛ ᴘʟᴇᴀsᴇs ᴛʜᴇɪʀ ᴅᴇɪᴛʏ ᴍᴏsᴛ.

Mɪɴᴇ ɪs Bʀᴏsᴇɪᴅᴏɴ, ɢᴏᴅ ᴏꜰ ʙʀᴏᴍᴀɴᴛɪᴄ sʜɪᴘs, ᴀɴᴅ ᴘᴀᴛʀᴏɴ ᴅᴇɪᴛʏ ᴏꜰ ᴀʟʟ sᴇᴀᴍᴇɴ

Велики Посејдон чује моју молбу, вратите ми све ове бродове мени
[Gʀᴇᴀᴛ Bʀᴏsᴇɪᴅᴏɴ, ʜᴇᴀʀ ᴍʏ ᴘʟᴇᴀ, ʀᴇᴛᴜʀɴ ɴᴏᴡ ᴀʟʟ ᴛʜᴇsᴇ sʜɪᴘs ᴛᴏ ᴍᴇ]

[Look. Look. I live and die by romance plots and character arcs and Elliot being revealed as bi is so fantastic to me. I'm so excited to see where this does or does not go, and just seeing more of Elliot in general and maybe seeing Clinton having an *actual character arc* for a while is all I have ever wanted.]
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Oenone on 30 Jul 2017, 22:22
OH very very very very nice....now I don't feel weird about thinking Elliot is cute now :D....now how to reach into the comic and get him gift wrapped.....J/K but damn wish I could meet a dude that had his qualities where I'm at.

If you figure it out share the secret! Like Jack Sparrow, I'm on the market.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: shanejayell on 30 Jul 2017, 22:48
 :lol: :laugh: :-D :laugh:

Oh, poor Elliot. Poor Clinton, too, depending on how this goes.

Run, Elliot! RUN!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: oddtail on 30 Jul 2017, 22:49
As a bi guy (kinda), I'm SUPER happy to see this.

As people have pointed out, QC could use more male queer characters... but it's so, so much better.

Nobody is EVER bisexual in fiction. OK, women occasionally are, but men are virtually NEVER anything but straight or gay. The only characters that are the exception to this almost universal rule seem to be characters of the "I'll screw anything that moves" variety, often villains.

A male character that's attracted to men and women (that does not have the "anything that moves" clause above) is so frickin' rare, I honestly don't remember WHEN I last saw one, anywhere in fiction.

So I'm pretty excited about this.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: BenRG on 30 Jul 2017, 23:00
After everything, the only thing that came into my mind after reading today's strip twice is that I feel genuinely sorry for Elliott and Clinton. You see... Renee wants to help them and wants to get Claire involved. No matter what they may or may not want to be together, such well-meaning 'help' (if comedic) is going to be agonising for them to go through. That said, I can't see any way to avoid it because, right now, only Elliott knows about it and he is too quiet and shy to say 'no'.

Which Charles Augustine are you referring to? The dead first husband of the Republican Senator?

Claire's dead father... Whose death turns out to be plot significant.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: brasca on 30 Jul 2017, 23:08
Maybe this is one of those times that Claire should interfere.  Elliot may be bi, but I don't think Clinton is and this could be all kinds of awkward for everyone involved. 
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: SmilingCat on 30 Jul 2017, 23:27
Ho-ho-holy shit! Elliot's bi? That's awesome! I always thought QC needed some non-straight dudes.

Isn't Marten potentially Bi? I seem to recall him having a conversation with Tai about being able to see himself with another man, though the urge to high five during sex would be overwhelming.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: BenRG on 30 Jul 2017, 23:32
Ho-ho-holy shit! Elliot's bi? That's awesome! I always thought QC needed some non-straight dudes.

Isn't Marten potentially Bi?

That is true but Marten is nowhere over 1 on the Kinsey Scale whilst I'm thinking that Elliott is a somewhere in the 2-4 range.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 30 Jul 2017, 23:42
Ho-ho-holy shit! Elliot's bi? That's awesome! I always thought QC needed some non-straight dudes.

Isn't Marten potentially Bi? I seem to recall him having a conversation with Tai about being able to see himself with another man, though the urge to high five during sex would be overwhelming.

You're exactly right though I can't remember or find the strip number.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: iduguphergrave on 31 Jul 2017, 00:43
It ain't no lie


He's bi bi bi






 :clairedoge:
(sorry today's comic just made me so happy I couldn't contain myself)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: flondrix on 31 Jul 2017, 00:45
Claire's dead father... Whose death turns out to be plot significant.

????!!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Gyrre on 31 Jul 2017, 01:06
20 internet points to whomever called Renee and Claire teaming up to try to get Elliot and Clinton on a date.

Elliot's been part of the cast since the Secret Bakery was introduced back in 2011 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1845). Well, Elliot did say it never really came up before.

Let's see, the wiki (http://questionablecontent.wikia.com/wiki/Special:AllPages) lists about 221 characters, 5 to 8 of which are LGTBQ, Massachusettes' population is just under 5% LGTBQ; so it's actually pretty realistic compared to our world. Granted, QC takes place in an alternate universe. And, if memory serves, AnthroPCs can also be LGBTQ, so that probably throws the numbers completely off.

*HERP DERP* *smacks forehead*
Of course those population stats are 5 years out of date, self-reporting isn't terribly reliable, and MA is estimated to have roughly ~7% of its LGTBQ population still 'in the closet'. [and I really need to start bookmarking links so I can find them and cite them easier.]

The map I used
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Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Milayna on 31 Jul 2017, 01:52
20 internet points to whomever called Renee and Claire teaming up to try to get Elliot and Clinton on a date.

Elliot's been part of the cast since the Secret Bakery was introduced back in 2011 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1845). Well, Elliot did say it never really came up before.

Let's see, the wiki (http://questionablecontent.wikia.com/wiki/Special:AllPages) lists about 221 characters, 5 to 8 of which are LGTBQ, Massachusettes' population is just under 5% LGTBQ; so it's actually pretty realistic compared to our world. Granted, QC takes place in an alternate universe. And, if memory serves, AnthroPCs can also be LGBTQ, so that probably throws the numbers completely off.

*HERP DERP* *smacks forehead*
Of course those population stats are 5 years out of date, self-reporting isn't terribly reliable, and MA is estimated to have roughly ~7% of its LGTBQ population still 'in the closet'. [and I really need to start bookmarking links so I can find them and cite them easier.]

The map I used
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Most of the characters on the wiki page are temporary/gone (vespavanger), joke (bros), or noncanon (Yelling Bird), and as such don't have an explored personality, much less known sexuality. So even if you did count them all, the representation is potentially much higher. Among cast members who are actually Serious Characters, the representation is even higher (though it did sorely need more queer guys which so I love this development too).

Of course in fiction-at-large every single character in the comic could be queer and it'd still be barely a blip compared to straight characters.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 31 Jul 2017, 02:11
.....History repeats and this is going to end in tears, isn't it?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: BenRG on 31 Jul 2017, 02:20
FWIW, amongst the current recurring cast, we have the following alignments of which I am aware:

Marten - Mostly hetro but with some gay leanings;
Claire - Mostly hetro but a little ambiguous (she once said something that has a reasonable interpretation of her finding Dora attractive);
Faye - Hetro;
Pintsize - Pansexual (I'm expecting some flak about this but he seems equally attracted to both human and robot and to both expressed genders; however, this is Pintsize; it's difficult to know what is real and what is an elaborate prank);
Dora - Bi and seems to be pretty much balanced on the mid-point of the scale;
Hannelore - Hetroromantic but, by effect of her mental health issues, probably asexual in any meaningful practical terms;
Tai - Lesbian but she loves to tease;
Steve - Very, very hetro;
Bubbles - Definitely seems to be anthrosexual (attracted to humans) lesbian;
Momo - Anthrosexual hetro;
May - Mostly asexual beyond a basically aromantic interest in certain aspects of human reproductive and waste evacuation anatomy;
Brun - Definitely seems hetro;
Renee - Hetro;
Elliott - Just revealed to be somewhere in the bi spectrum;
Jim - Hetro;
Veronica - Hetro (irrespective of what she may have done over the years in a professional capacity).

So, of these sixteen characters, nine are hetrosexual or as close to it as really makes no odds. We only have two homosexuals (Tai and evidently Bubbles) and everyone else is some flavour of bisexual with the exception of Pintsize (who is difficult to read accurately because of his sense of humour)* and May (who has shown only prurient interest in others sexuality and has shown no real interest in being involved herself).

* - Note on Pintsize; his only actual known sexual encounters have been with fellow synthetics. It's possible that he is mildly-bi with no anthrosexual leanings beyond a near-demonic joy in yanking his human friends' chains.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: St.Clair on 31 Jul 2017, 02:30
yeah, Renee, you need to stop that now.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Mr. Doctor on 31 Jul 2017, 02:37
Poor Elliot, Clinton seems as hetero as one can be if you ask me.

May (who has shown only prurient interest in others sexuality and has shown no real interest in being involved herself).
Huh? May even said he'd like to go down on a dude. That seems clear as water to me.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Near Lurker on 31 Jul 2017, 02:39
Renee - Hetro;

Renee is bi. (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3263)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: bhtooefr on 31 Jul 2017, 04:16
Steve - Very, very hetro;
Except when drunk. I'm going with Narnia-level closeted bi for Steve.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: NemesisDancer on 31 Jul 2017, 04:18
Am I the only one hoping this might result in a Brun/Clinton/Elliott poly relationship? Admittedly this is partly personal appeal (being poly myself) but it would be an interesting way of resolving the unfolding love triangle.

My apologies if this counts as shipping by the way - I know it's a bit of a delicate topic here and I'm still not sure what's considered appropriate or inappropriate ^_^;;


Also wondering what Claire's reaction will be to Renee trying to team up. While they're both pretty energetic shippers, I do wonder whether Claire might find it a bit inappropriate grilling Clinton about his sexuality, considering her own experiences of LGBT identity and coming out. After all, Clinton was always very careful about not outing Claire (as seen here (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2327)), so I'm sure she'll want to repay the favour and not be too appreciative of Renee trying to push him into coming out as bi (if, indeed, it turns out he is).
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Mehre on 31 Jul 2017, 04:31
Well this was unexpected. And i really dont like renee maniacal face expression in last panel. Thats going to be awkward conversation. Although Clinton reaction should be funny.

Claire - Mostly hetro but a little ambiguous (she once said something that has a reasonable interpretation of her finding Dora attractive);
Faye - Hetro;
(...)
Bubbles - Definitely seems to be anthrosexual (attracted to humans) lesbian;

Well Claire is trans, so she is LGBT  already.
Faye may be a hetero  and depending on how her arc with Bubbles ends maybe a little bit bi and even robosexual(what is correct term?). So its a open issue. So is Bubbles and while we saw her having attraction to Faye she is probably bi.

By the way, Renne is aware that Clinton likes Brun, right?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: ChipNoir on 31 Jul 2017, 04:33
Elliot's quickly becoming my favorite character. Very much my type (Gentle giant teddybear <3)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: ChipNoir on 31 Jul 2017, 04:44
Ho-ho-holy shit! Elliot's bi? That's awesome! I always thought QC needed some non-straight dudes.

Isn't Marten potentially Bi? I seem to recall him having a conversation with Tai about being able to see himself with another man, though the urge to high five during sex would be overwhelming.

I've been relating to Marten for a long time now, and actually appreciate him as an example...of, well, bi I'm not so certain is quite the right term. Like someone said before, bisexual males are REALLY rare, and are usually portrayed as more pansexual than bisexual (I'm looking at you Dorian Grey of Penny Dreadful, you horny asshole). So I had a big problem with identifying as bisexual, since I felt like that was an image that confused and kinda scared me.

Ever since I spent a lot more time with a larger variety of personality types, I've accepted that I'm less gay so much as very attracted to personality and physical attributes that are 'traditionally' associated with masculinity; Short hair, muscles, jocular personality, aggressive confidence (Not always a good thing, but attractive none-the-less) etc etc, stuff that my younger self very much associated with men. As I've gotten older, I've realized that these are all attractive features a woman can have, and that if it came down to it, that's all I really care about in a partner. At this point I could probably easily have a relationship with either sex/gender, as long as I felt those personality traits and identifiers were there. In the last few years Claire has also made me realize that yeah, I could fall in love with a transgender, and very happy with him.

So Martin is kinda on the flipside of my own tastes: He has no problem with the anatomy, so much as what the identification is. Claire identifies as female, and that's what makes her attractive to Marten, as opposed to a gay/bi guy that at the end of the day still identifies as the guy, and whatever spectrum of masculinity he might be placed on.


Of course having just been sandwiched by two different sexes at a dance club in this recent week has definetly further changed my openness to experimentation.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 31 Jul 2017, 07:38
Am I the only one hoping this might result in a Brun/Clinton/Elliott poly relationship? Admittedly this is partly personal appeal (being poly myself) but it would be an interesting way of resolving the unfolding love triangle.

My apologies if this counts as shipping by the way - I know it's a bit of a delicate topic here and I'm still not sure what's considered appropriate or inappropriate ^_^;;

(mod)Thank you for thinking about it! I'm not sure what to call it myself.(/mod)

Poly relationships are almost unexplored in QC. Tai experimented but decided it wasn't for her. There would be enormous potential for awkwardness and misunderstandings. Those are what feeds comedy.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 31 Jul 2017, 08:12
That said, I wonder if Claire will try to dissuade Renee from this, considering what happened the last time Claire tried to play matchmaker and it blew up in her face.

And I can't shake the horrible feeling that someone is going to get outed during this story and not in a way they would have liked or wanted.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: 94ssd on 31 Jul 2017, 08:55
Is Elliot the first confirmed male bisexual character in QC?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: comicalArchitect on 31 Jul 2017, 09:11
Is Elliot the first confirmed male bisexual character in QC?

Depends on if you count Pintsize. Early on he had a fling with a male AI, but it never really came up again.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: fayelovesbubbles on 31 Jul 2017, 13:37
I don't think Clinton is into guys...is he? even if he is, his main focus right now is surely Brun.

I can't help thinking they'd be a strange couple if they did get together. Yet, there hasn't been a gay male couple in this comic other than Marten's dad and stepdad...I think...
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: fayelovesbubbles on 31 Jul 2017, 13:42
It always seemed to me that May was possibly bi? Maybe I'm off. She doesn't strike me as asexual in the slightest.

Clinton is straight, I'm pretty sure, which is going to cause a very awkward situation for Elliot if Renee doesn't keep her mouth shut. Never heard anything about Renee being bi. Weird that I didn't notice and I've read this comic for six years.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Method of Madness on 31 Jul 2017, 16:19
That said, I wonder if Claire will try to dissuade Renee from this, considering what happened the last time Claire tried to play matchmaker and it blew up in her face.
Did it? I think he gained a good bit of confidence from his experience with Emily, even if she wasn't ultimately interested in dating.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 31 Jul 2017, 16:21
That said, I wonder if Claire will try to dissuade Renee from this, considering what happened the last time Claire tried to play matchmaker and it blew up in her face.
Did it? I think he gained a good bit of confidence from his experience with Emily, even if she wasn't ultimately interested in dating.

From the perspective that Claire put two people in a very awkward position and then got chewed out by her brother for doing so and called out for trying to control his life, I would say it did blow up in her face. The Augustus siblings might be close, but no one wants their sister pulling that kind of crap on them.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: SmilingCat on 31 Jul 2017, 16:31
I've been relating to Marten for a long time now, and actually appreciate him as an example...of, well, bi I'm not so certain is quite the right term. Like someone said before, bisexual males are REALLY rare, and are usually portrayed as more pansexual than bisexual (I'm looking at you Dorian Grey of Penny Dreadful, you horny asshole). So I had a big problem with identifying as bisexual, since I felt like that was an image that confused and kinda scared me.

Ever since I spent a lot more time with a larger variety of personality types, I've accepted that I'm less gay so much as very attracted to personality and physical attributes that are 'traditionally' associated with masculinity; Short hair, muscles, jocular personality, aggressive confidence (Not always a good thing, but attractive none-the-less) etc etc, stuff that my younger self very much associated with men. As I've gotten older, I've realized that these are all attractive features a woman can have, and that if it came down to it, that's all I really care about in a partner. At this point I could probably easily have a relationship with either sex/gender, as long as I felt those personality traits and identifiers were there. In the last few years Claire has also made me realize that yeah, I could fall in love with a transgender, and very happy with him.

So Martin is kinda on the flipside of my own tastes: He has no problem with the anatomy, so much as what the identification is. Claire identifies as female, and that's what makes her attractive to Marten, as opposed to a gay/bi guy that at the end of the day still identifies as the guy, and whatever spectrum of masculinity he might be placed on.


Of course having just been sandwiched by two different sexes at a dance club in this recent week has definetly further changed my openness to experimentation.

I have no personal frame of reference to work from, but increasingly it appears that any system that attempts to codify sexuality into a discrete set of terms with simple descriptors is doomed to be insufficient.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: ChipNoir on 31 Jul 2017, 16:39
It always seemed to me that May was possibly bi? Maybe I'm off. She doesn't strike me as asexual in the slightest.

Clinton is straight, I'm pretty sure, which is going to cause a very awkward situation for Elliot if Renee doesn't keep her mouth shut. Never heard anything about Renee being bi. Weird that I didn't notice and I've read this comic for six years.

The way Renee treated Brun earlier gave me a strong impression of someone that is in love with someone, and thinks if they smother them in affection, they'll almost submit to it, and that' a kinda toxic behavior I hate. Thankfully that's eased off a bit.

But yeah, I think Elliot is gonna stop Renee in her tracks, and leave it at that.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Method of Madness on 31 Jul 2017, 16:44
Never heard anything about Renee being bi. Weird that I didn't notice and I've read this comic for six years.
I mean Renee's only been a recurring character fairly recently, and we only know she's bi because of that one Tinder comic.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 31 Jul 2017, 16:49
It always seemed to me that May was possibly bi? Maybe I'm off. She doesn't strike me as asexual in the slightest.

Clinton is straight, I'm pretty sure, which is going to cause a very awkward situation for Elliot if Renee doesn't keep her mouth shut. Never heard anything about Renee being bi. Weird that I didn't notice and I've read this comic for six years.

The way Renee treated Brun earlier gave me a strong impression of someone that is in love with someone, and thinks if they smother them in affection, they'll almost submit to it, and that' a kinda toxic behavior I hate. Thankfully that's eased off a bit.

I don't think its love in that respect, perhaps more love in the sense that you love a friend or a younger sibling. Its obvious that Brun is neuro-atypical and it seems that Renee, as her friend, has taken upon herself to serve as a caretaker. Hence why she interrogated and threatened Clinton over the phone and forced her to search for a new job.

The problem there was that, and I'm only guessing at this, Brun has a highly regimented life. Losing her apartment, her stuff and her job in one action threw her life out the window. If Renee has known Brun long enough, she's probably aware that Brun's life is regimented and tried to reinforce that, but to her own schedule, rather than Brun's.

Never heard anything about Renee being bi. Weird that I didn't notice and I've read this comic for six years.
I mean Renee's only been a recurring character fairly recently, and we only know she's bi because of that one Tinder comic.

Bear in mind as well that the punchline for that particular comic was Brun suggesting that Pintsize was a good person to date. So I would take any sexual preference inferred from that comic with a pinch of salt.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: ChipNoir on 31 Jul 2017, 16:51
Like I said, I read it as something only for the first initial few comics, and then realizes it was just good intentions executed terrible, which is kind of just a QC staple.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: shanejayell on 31 Jul 2017, 19:07
New Comic Up!

OK, that was funny. Especially the last two panels.   :-D :lol:
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: ChipNoir on 31 Jul 2017, 19:10
Phew. Drama averted. I know the shippers all skyrocketed, but I really just wanna watch Brun and Clinton fumble their way either towards romance, or just friendship. Among the cast, these two need the most maturity and development right now. I think throwing in a love triangle or even a complicated polly trinity would cause a lot more complication than the events need right now, especially with there already being tension around Bubbles and Fay.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Method of Madness on 31 Jul 2017, 20:10
Renee is a good friend after all.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: SomeCanadianWeirdo on 31 Jul 2017, 20:25
I've never seen the appeal of public bathroom sex. 
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: shanejayell on 31 Jul 2017, 20:45
Nor have I, as you can get arrested.

Or in this case, chucked out by Elliot....  :-D
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: fayelovesbubbles on 31 Jul 2017, 21:07
It always seemed to me that May was possibly bi? Maybe I'm off. She doesn't strike me as asexual in the slightest.

Clinton is straight, I'm pretty sure, which is going to cause a very awkward situation for Elliot if Renee doesn't keep her mouth shut. Never heard anything about Renee being bi. Weird that I didn't notice and I've read this comic for six years.

The way Renee treated Brun earlier gave me a strong impression of someone that is in love with someone, and thinks if they smother them in affection, they'll almost submit to it, and that' a kinda toxic behavior I hate. Thankfully that's eased off a bit.

But yeah, I think Elliot is gonna stop Renee in her tracks, and leave it at that.

I never got anything but "platonic best friend" from Renee's protective behavior. Almost like a big sister. She's not in love with Brun. I don't think I've seen any evidence that she's into women...?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: fayelovesbubbles on 31 Jul 2017, 21:09
Oh, right, the Tinder comic. Weird. I forgot all about that, and it didn't even occur to me, but yes, she would only see women on Tinder if she was open to dating women. Thank you for noticing small details I don't.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: ChipNoir on 31 Jul 2017, 22:03
Nor have I, as you can get arrested.

Or in this case, chucked out by Elliot....  :-D

Eh, it'd be 15 seconds in his arms I wouldn't get otherwise. Worth it.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Tova on 31 Jul 2017, 22:09
Renee is a good friend after all.

Quite right, Mister Madness.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Toast on 31 Jul 2017, 22:33
Marten called it waaaay back in comic 1816 (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1868):
Quote
"Seriously! How can a dude your size be so stealthy?!"
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: sitnspin on 31 Jul 2017, 22:58
I've never seen the appeal of public bathroom sex.
In my experience it's the thrill/risk that inspires and heightens the experience.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: BenRG on 31 Jul 2017, 23:10
What I'm getting from panel 4 is that Renee is only interested in casual hook-ups right now. However, to me, this exposes something fundamentally flawed in modern adult relationships: Relationship =/= sex. It is also all the other things. It's the friendship, the trust and the bond that exists between the involved parties. If Renee is attracted to Elliott, it's not just physical. After all, she's been flirting with him subconsciously for years before she asked him to take off his shirt.

As for panel 3, well Elliott doesn't know it but he's put his finger right on the sore. Renee isn't happy. She's found a coping strategy to scratch her itches that makes her content but happy? That's a completely different kettle of fish and I'm worried right now that she's going to take on the Elliot/Clinton project as a surrogate to avoid having to confront that problem in herself.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Gyrre on 31 Jul 2017, 23:43
So even if you did count them all, the representation is potentially much higher. Among cast members who are actually Serious Characters, the representation is even higher (though it did sorely need more queer guys which so I love this development too).


I didn't count all of them, I extrapolated.
(21x3x3)+(16x3)-(5x3+1)=221
There were 3 screens with 21 rows and 3 columns, with 1 screen of 16 rows and 3 columns. Subtract from that roughly 5 non-character or non-QC character (Bembo, Yellingbird, turkeys, etc) pages with one non-character page link in the final screen.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Gyrre on 31 Jul 2017, 23:48
I don't think Clinton is into guys...is he? even if he is, his main focus right now is surely Brun.

I can't help thinking they'd be a strange couple if they did get together. Yet, there hasn't been a gay male couple in this comic other than Marten's dad and stepdad...I think...
As I understand it, if both parties are bi, it's still a bi-sexual relationship. Even if it's m/m.

EDIT: Speaking as a straight male, I'm admittedly somewhat ignorant on the matter. But, I do know that their is some ... er ... disagreement on the matter within the LGBTQ community.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Emperor Norton on 01 Aug 2017, 00:05
Nobody is EVER bisexual in fiction. OK, women occasionally are, but men are virtually NEVER anything but straight or gay. The only characters that are the exception to this almost universal rule seem to be characters of the "I'll screw anything that moves" variety, often villains.

John Constantine from the Hellblazer comics is the only one I can think of (and specifically his is treated as literally no big deal, which I appreciate). But yeah, bisexual men are by far the least represented in fiction of the LGBT groups. (Well, trans men actually are probably #1, I can't think of a single one, then bi men, then trans women).
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: St.Clair on 01 Aug 2017, 00:29
I've been relating to Marten for a long time now, and actually appreciate him as an example...of, well, bi I'm not so certain is quite the right term. Like someone said before, bisexual males are REALLY rare, and are usually portrayed as more pansexual than bisexual (I'm looking at you Dorian Grey of Penny Dreadful, you horny asshole). So I had a big problem with identifying as bisexual, since I felt like that was an image that confused and kinda scared me.

Ever since I spent a lot more time with a larger variety of personality types, I've accepted that I'm less gay so much as very attracted to personality and physical attributes that are 'traditionally' associated with masculinity; Short hair, muscles, jocular personality, aggressive confidence (Not always a good thing, but attractive none-the-less) etc etc, stuff that my younger self very much associated with men. As I've gotten older, I've realized that these are all attractive features a woman can have, and that if it came down to it, that's all I really care about in a partner. At this point I could probably easily have a relationship with either sex/gender, as long as I felt those personality traits and identifiers were there. In the last few years Claire has also made me realize that yeah, I could fall in love with a transgender, and very happy with him.

So Martin is kinda on the flipside of my own tastes: He has no problem with the anatomy, so much as what the identification is. Claire identifies as female, and that's what makes her attractive to Marten, as opposed to a gay/bi guy that at the end of the day still identifies as the guy, and whatever spectrum of masculinity he might be placed on.


Of course having just been sandwiched by two different sexes at a dance club in this recent week has definetly further changed my openness to experimentation.

I have no personal frame of reference to work from, but increasingly it appears that any system that attempts to codify sexuality into a discrete set of terms with simple descriptors is doomed to be insufficient.

holy shit
guys
people are complicated! (https://xkcd.com/592/)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Tub on 01 Aug 2017, 02:56
As I understand it, if both parties are bi, it's still a bi-sexual relationship. Even if it's m/m.
I think the proper term is "they're in a relationship". Unless it's an open relationship, it doesn't (shouldn't) matter who else they might be attracted to. IMHO adding that information shows a lack of faith in the relationship.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Gyrre on 01 Aug 2017, 06:59
Nor have I, as you can get arrested.

Or in this case, chucked out by Elliot....  :-D
For me it's more from both being a former germaphobe and having had to clean public restrooms as part of a few retail jobs.

*shudders in disgust*

EDIT: death to autocorrect!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: flondrix on 01 Aug 2017, 07:06
Isn't Marten potentially Bi? I seem to recall him having a conversation with Tai about being able to see himself with another man, though the urge to high five during sex would be overwhelming.

That sounds more like a setup to a punchline.  Don't make more of it than it is.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Gyrre on 01 Aug 2017, 07:08
As I understand it, if both parties are bi, it's still a bi-sexual relationship. Even if it's m/m.
I think the proper term is "they're in a relationship". Unless it's an open relationship, it doesn't (shouldn't) matter who else they might be attracted to. IMHO adding that information shows a lack of faith in the relationship.
Right.

I know the point of contention is mainly in calling a bisexual couple's relationship 'gay' or 'straight', as some take that to be bisexual erasure.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Undrneath on 01 Aug 2017, 07:16
I would say most men in fiction that are considered bi are more like pansexual.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Rincewind on 01 Aug 2017, 07:46
Or, in the case of Capt. Jack Harkness, omnisexual.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: flondrix on 01 Aug 2017, 07:47
FWIW, amongst the current recurring cast, we have the following alignments of which I am aware:

Marten - Mostly hetro but with some gay leanings;
Claire - Mostly hetro but a little ambiguous (she once said something that has a reasonable interpretation of her finding Dora attractive);
Faye - Hetro;
Pintsize - Pansexual (I'm expecting some flak about this but he seems equally attracted to both human and robot and to both expressed genders; however, this is Pintsize; it's difficult to know what is real and what is an elaborate prank);
Dora - Bi and seems to be pretty much balanced on the mid-point of the scale;
Hannelore - Hetroromantic but, by effect of her mental health issues, probably asexual in any meaningful practical terms;
Tai - Lesbian but she loves to tease;
Steve - Very, very hetro;
Bubbles - Definitely seems to be anthrosexual (attracted to humans) lesbian;
Momo - Anthrosexual hetro;
May - Mostly asexual beyond a basically aromantic interest in certain aspects of human reproductive and waste evacuation anatomy;
Brun - Definitely seems hetro;
Renee - Hetro;
Elliott - Just revealed to be somewhere in the bi spectrum;
Jim - Hetro;
Veronica - Hetro (irrespective of what she may have done over the years in a professional capacity).

So, of these sixteen characters, nine are hetrosexual or as close to it as really makes no odds. We only have two homosexuals (Tai and evidently Bubbles) and everyone else is some flavour of bisexual with the exception of Pintsize (who is difficult to read accurately because of his sense of humour)* and May (who has shown only prurient interest in others sexuality and has shown no real interest in being involved herself).

* - Note on Pintsize; his only actual known sexual encounters have been with fellow synthetics. It's possible that he is mildly-bi with no anthrosexual leanings beyond a near-demonic joy in yanking his human friends' chains.

First of all I wanted to point out that many straight women evaluate the attractiveness of other women all the time.  Given the vicious pecking order that so often exists among women WRT physical attractiveness, it is kind of unavoidable.  In Claire's case, since Dora is Marten's ex, her attractiveness is something that could be a potential source of anxiety or self-doubt from time to time.

In the case of Bubbles, it is entirely possible that she could have a crush on Faye specifically.  Consider the possibility that the differences between AI and human are greater than the differences between male and female.  Especially for a less socialized, less human-identified AI like Bubbles, the issue may be less "how can I be in love with a man/woman?" and more "how can I be in love with a biologic?"

Momo, on the other hand, is highly socialized and human identified--that almost seems to be her primary function, to the extent that AIs have programming, and her awkward blushing reaction to bishonen cuties is part of her "proper young lady" persona.  She was caught making out with a Magical Love Gentleman doll that Marigold won at an anime convention, so I think her attraction is not limited to humans per se, though it is very specifically targeted in terms of appearance.

I don't think Brun relates to humans well enough for the usual metrics to apply.  She seems to be ignorant of all the basic human conventions.  I am reminded of the character Dina in Dumbing of Age whose initial reaction to couples having sex was "Mammals are weird."  She later decided to become Becky's girlfriend despite no prior indication of attraction in that direction, and I cannot help but wonder if it is literally an experiment, an attempt to find out why this "sex" thing is such a big deal.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: flondrix on 01 Aug 2017, 08:13
I've never seen the appeal of public bathroom sex.

The appeal is sex.  Some people are really into it.  They've just found someone they want to have sex with who feels the same way, they gotta find a place to do it before other things intervene, beggars can't be choosers.  I have heard that there are some edgier clubs that have rooms for just that purpose, but your typical college town bar doesn't.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Emperor Norton on 01 Aug 2017, 08:15
Also, on the subject of high representation compared to the average of the population: I'm not sure if you've ever noticed but LGBT people tend to congregate together. Yes, LGBT people make up a smaller percentage than cis-straight people, but seriously I have friends I refer to as my token straight friends.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: flondrix on 01 Aug 2017, 08:19
holy shit
guys
people are complicated! (https://xkcd.com/592/)

"Hey, it's 12 of the dudes from control group B!" (https://xkcd.com/507/)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: flondrix on 01 Aug 2017, 08:21
As I understand it, if both parties are bi, it's still a bi-sexual relationship. Even if it's m/m.
I think the proper term is "they're in a relationship". Unless it's an open relationship, it doesn't (shouldn't) matter who else they might be attracted to. IMHO adding that information shows a lack of faith in the relationship.

Hence the convenience (linguistically, anyway) of terms like "same sex relationship."
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: JoeCovenant on 01 Aug 2017, 09:45
Also, on the subject of high representation compared to the average of the population: I'm not sure if you've ever noticed but LGBT people tend to congregate together. Yes, LGBT people make up a smaller percentage than cis-straight people, but seriously I have friends I refer to as my token straight friends.

The above is no doubt true.
But these people haven't congregated due to their sexuality / gender.

I have to agree with the OP who suggested that it's a bit skewed when placed against 'societal norms' (certainly when looking at  the main cast.)
(Another reason I'm wondering if Willis is ghost writing this at the moment!)  :)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Storel on 01 Aug 2017, 10:13
Which Charles Augustine are you referring to? The dead first husband of the Republican Senator?

Claire's dead father... Whose death turns out to be plot significant.

Isn't Claire's last name Augustus?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Emperor Norton on 01 Aug 2017, 10:56
Also, on the subject of high representation compared to the average of the population: I'm not sure if you've ever noticed but LGBT people tend to congregate together. Yes, LGBT people make up a smaller percentage than cis-straight people, but seriously I have friends I refer to as my token straight friends.

The above is no doubt true.
But these people haven't congregated due to their sexuality / gender.

Neither have I. Some people I met through friends of friends, some people I met through my wife's classmates when she went to college (we are both bi), some I met through board gaming, some I met through work, some I've known since grade school, some I met through other hobbies. It just happened, and it isn't that odd of a thing.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Thrillho on 01 Aug 2017, 14:03
Marten called it waaaay back in comic 1816 (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1868):
Quote
"Seriously! How can a dude your size be so stealthy?!"

Care to explain this a little more explicitly to us?

Isn't Marten potentially Bi? I seem to recall him having a conversation with Tai about being able to see himself with another man, though the urge to high five during sex would be overwhelming.

That sounds more like a setup to a punchline.  Don't make more of it than it is.

Speaking as someone who 'London Bridged' just the other day... I wouldn't be so sure.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: jwhouk on 01 Aug 2017, 14:49
Gee, I wonder what Winslow is up to...
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Tub on 01 Aug 2017, 15:17
Gee, I wonder what Winslow is up to...
Eating cereal with Steve.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Kugai on 01 Aug 2017, 18:15
Soooo

Renee and Elliott

The new Faye and Marten??
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Tova on 01 Aug 2017, 18:28
I don't really see it. Which one is which?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: comicalArchitect on 01 Aug 2017, 19:08
Gee, I wonder what Winslow is up to...

Are you a Patreon patron?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: pendrake on 01 Aug 2017, 19:25
For comic #3538... (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3538)

Oooh...  Winslow (re-)joining the humanoid chassis ranks?  The shopping alone should be entertaining. :)

And, oh my gosh, has it really been that long (2007!) [http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1012 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1012))] since then...?

Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: St.Clair on 01 Aug 2017, 19:33
d'awww, Winslow.

(also, happiness is a clean Hanners.)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Welu on 01 Aug 2017, 19:39
Eeee!! I forget how much I love Winslow then they turn up and I'm so happy!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: SmilingCat on 01 Aug 2017, 19:53
The question is, will Pintsize follow the trend?

And will him gaining opposable thumbs bring about the end times?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Thrudd on 01 Aug 2017, 19:56
And will him gaining opposable thumbs bring about the end times?
But Pintsize already tried thumbs and it was most disturbing though a bit of a letdown for him.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: SmilingCat on 01 Aug 2017, 20:00
And will him gaining opposable thumbs bring about the end times?
But Pintsize already tried thumbs and it was most disturbing though a bit of a letdown for him.

But those weren't fully functional, and this time he'll have an oversized robo-wang to go with them.

Though plot twist, fully functional Robo Wang Pintsize might actually prove the savior of mankind in one year when he prevents Hannelore from releasing the virus (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2443).
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: lawoot on 01 Aug 2017, 20:08
Have to wonder if the timing of this strip has anything to do with Apple's announcement that they're discontinuing the iPod nano and the shuffle...
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: SmilingCat on 01 Aug 2017, 20:11
Have to wonder if the timing of this strip has anything to do with Apple's announcement that they're discontinuing the iPod nano and the shuffle...

Winslow's more of an Ipad, isn't he? (I don't know apple products very well).
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: bhtooefr on 01 Aug 2017, 20:16
No, he's based on the iPod (complete with click wheel), and predates the iPad by five years: http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=527
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: SmilingCat on 01 Aug 2017, 20:17
No, he's based on the iPod (complete with click wheel), and predates the iPad by five years: http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=527

Okay, in retrospect that makes more sense.

Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Tova on 01 Aug 2017, 20:26
I shamelessly stole this from a Patreon comment, but I now wonder whether this will lead to Union Robotics business, and whether they even have the capability to construct an entire chassis. Although I feel like this has been coming for awhile, it does seem like this is where we are heading.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: shanejayell on 01 Aug 2017, 20:28
Poor Winslow. *lol* You would think ALL A.I. bodies would have automatic 'self righting' systems and such...
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Milayna on 01 Aug 2017, 20:33
Man I was just thinking that it's been awhile since we've seen Winslow. And that Linux one with the...heatsink.

Also, after reviewing the link to the 500's, does anyone remember when Hanners got the floof? I've read the whole comic, but yknow, 3k+ pages. Almost twilight zony, looking back at the early pages and seeing the difference.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Isyrion on 01 Aug 2017, 20:45
LOL I have the Winslow plushie... oh well I like Winslow as the iPad he is cute that way but hopefully the body he picks will look great.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: SmilingCat on 01 Aug 2017, 20:58
Poor Winslow. *lol* You would think ALL A.I. bodies would have automatic 'self righting' systems and such...

Well he is an apple product. A self righting mechanism might have interfered with the look they wanted.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Storel on 01 Aug 2017, 21:13
"Winslow 2.0"? Ohhhhh myyyyy..... </takei>
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: jwhouk on 01 Aug 2017, 23:19
Gee, I wonder what Winslow is up to...

Are you a Patreon patron?

...mmmmmmmmmmmMayyyybeee...
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: BenRG on 01 Aug 2017, 23:20
I wonder if Jeph realises just what a horrible can of continuity worms he's just opened up. It's been a long time since we last saw Winslow and even longer since he tried out Dr E-C's 'uncanny valley' humanoid chassis. However, in-universe, its' been two years at  the most. If Jeph wants to imply that the humanoid chassis has been perfected since that little misadventure, then that means that Bubbles entire life likely fits into that period of time. You'll excuse me if I find that a little implausible.

The only way I can think of to wriggle off that hook is that the humanoid chassis Winslow tried out had some... er... 'experimental special features' that Dr E-C felt that his daughter's 'practice boyfriend' needed and it's those that Winslow refers to here (which makes the mind boggle). Either that or there are long time skips during Martin's relationship with Dora of which we were not previously aware.

Or... maybe... Jeph is retroactively stretching out the timeline. It's his prerogative but I think it will give forum members like April Arcus serious stress headaches.

Okay, my nerdish continuity gripes aside... yeah, I can see why Winslow might want limbs as long as his body... or at least a curved back so he can roll himself over. Jeph's footer text makes me wonder just how long the poor little guy has been stuck there!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Bollthorn on 01 Aug 2017, 23:35
Yaaaay I've missed Winslow!! ^.^
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Kugai on 02 Aug 2017, 00:08
It shall be interesting to see what kind of Chassis Hanners will get for Winslow.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: DaiJB on 02 Aug 2017, 00:21
I wonder if Jeph realises just what a horrible can of continuity worms he's just opened up. It's been a long time since we last saw Winslow and even longer since he tried out Dr E-C's 'uncanny valley' humanoid chassis. However, in-universe, its' been two years at  the most. If Jeph wants to imply that the humanoid chassis has been perfected since that little misadventure, then that means that Bubbles entire life likely fits into that period of time. You'll excuse me if I find that a little implausible.

The only way I can think of to wriggle off that hook is that the humanoid chassis Winslow tried out had some... er... 'experimental special features' that Dr E-C felt that his daughter's 'practice boyfriend' needed and it's those that Winslow refers to here (which makes the mind boggle). Either that or there are long time skips during Martin's relationship with Dora of which we were not previously aware.

Or... maybe... Jeph is retroactively stretching out the timeline. It's his prerogative but I think it will give forum members like April Arcus serious stress headaches.

Okay, my nerdish continuity gripes aside... yeah, I can see why Winslow might want limbs as long as his body... or at least a curved back so he can roll himself over. Jeph's footer text makes me wonder just how long the poor little guy has been stuck there!

Maybe it has been a long time? I mean, there was enough time between Faye leaving Coffee of Doom and coming back to make up with Dora, for Dora to be surprised at the fact that Faye had "got buff" - that usually takes months at least. Maybe there have been other breaks?

Maybe very advanced combat chassis have existed longer, but all Top Secret? I mean, we've seen some wildly advanced examples of in-comic technology (like Transformer-Vespa, Holographic space-station AI, etc), so maybe it's been around a long time, just not publicly available?

Maybe....ah, what the heck - it's a comic...  :wink:
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: theMarc on 02 Aug 2017, 01:06
I hope this trend of the AI characters getting human-sized bodies doesn't lead to Pintsize getting one. Pintsize having opposable thumbs and a longer gait is, I'm pretty sure, the very thing prophesied to bring about Ragnarok.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Gyrre on 02 Aug 2017, 03:10
LOL I have the Winslow plushie... oh well I like Winslow as the iPad he is cute that way but hopefully the body he picks will look great.
Maybe he'll go for a TV-head chassis or one with a LED screen face.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: flondrix on 02 Aug 2017, 06:20
The only way I can think of to wriggle off that hook is that the humanoid chassis Winslow tried out had some... er... 'experimental special features' that Dr E-C felt that his daughter's 'practice boyfriend' needed and it's those that Winslow refers to here (which makes the mind boggle).

No, those were "features to be added at a later date." (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1011)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Case on 02 Aug 2017, 06:48
It shall be interesting to see what kind of comments May makes on the Chassis Hanners will get for Winslow.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: SmilingCat on 02 Aug 2017, 08:32
I wonder if Jeph realises just what a horrible can of continuity worms he's just opened up. It's been a long time since we last saw Winslow and even longer since he tried out Dr E-C's 'uncanny valley' humanoid chassis. However, in-universe, its' been two years at  the most. If Jeph wants to imply that the humanoid chassis has been perfected since that little misadventure, then that means that Bubbles entire life likely fits into that period of time. You'll excuse me if I find that a little implausible.

I don't know of anywhere where the timeline has been established, and I suspect it runs more on Comic Book Time.

Also, Bubbles wasn't born as a combat unit. She was a volunteer that wanted to serve, suggesting that she had a life before that, and presumably a different chassis.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: JoeCovenant on 02 Aug 2017, 08:34
LOL I have the Winslow plushie... oh well I like Winslow as the iPad he is cute that way but hopefully the body he picks will look great.
Maybe he'll go for a TV-head chassis or one with a LED screen face.

Everytime I think of Pintsize doing such a thing.. this jumps into my head...

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/61/07/bd/6107bd11fffe7e5c7c59431007049414--muse-lyrics-my-muse.jpg)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: OldGoat on 02 Aug 2017, 08:55
For Comic #3538...

Oooh...  Winslow (re-)joining the humanoid chassis ranks?  The shopping alone should be entertaining. :)

And, oh my gosh, has it really been that long (2007!) [http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1012 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1012))] since then...?
It was those damn Little Orphan Annie eyes (https://www.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.449265.1314598505!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_750/alg-annie-comic-jpg.jpg).
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: JimC on 02 Aug 2017, 10:07
The shopping alone should be entertaining.

And make a change from all the shipping...
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: flondrix on 02 Aug 2017, 10:17
I don't know of anywhere where the timeline has been established, and I suspect it runs more on Comic Book Time.

Also, Bubbles wasn't born as a combat unit. She was a volunteer that wanted to serve, suggesting that she had a life before that, and presumably a different chassis.

The timeline was last updated in November of 2015. (http://i.imgur.com/FUaRG4B.png)

You make a good point, that Bubbles could have had formative experiences before receiving a humanoid body.  But it also sounds like she has had that body for quite some time, in-strip.  And it is a very convincing human-looking body aside from the coloration and being a muscular giant, both of which were intentional and I assume not the only type being made.  Yeah, continuity kind of suffers there.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: A Duck on 02 Aug 2017, 12:40
Interesting. I guess this is Jeph's way of responding to the criticism that most humanoid AI's we know are female.

So basically Pintsize will be the last non-human sized main AI character. Curious.

I don't ever see him getting a humanoid body, though. I'm sure he agrees his wacky antics work better as a tiny robot.

You make a good point, that Bubbles could have had formative experiences before receiving a humanoid body.  But it also sounds like she has had that body for quite some time, in-strip.  And it is a very convincing human-looking body aside from the coloration and being a muscular giant, both of which were intentional and I assume not the only type being made.  Yeah, continuity kind of suffers there.

Now I can't stop imagining Bubbles as a tiny, red and angry Pintsize
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: flondrix on 02 Aug 2017, 15:19
I don't ever see him getting a humanoid body, though. I'm sure he agrees his wacky antics work better as a tiny robot.

I am pretty sure that he is holding out for a tentacle monster chassis.  And you know that someone in Japan is working on one.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: ChipNoir on 02 Aug 2017, 16:35
If he does get a humanoid body, that's gonna make me think further about human/AI romance potentials. I did think the chasis that Hanelor's dad sent was a little bit cute, but since that arc was nixed very quickly, it kinda faded from my mind.

But now I gotta wonder about myself: Could I get into a relationship with a male identified AI? Not Winslow of course. He's so chipper and naive that he comes off as childlike. But there's been other AI's floating about in the background, so it's giving me time to pause. Especially since this could be something in our lifetime.

Course I'll be a 90 year old fart by then, so its creepy any way you slice it. Sigh.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: DaiJB on 02 Aug 2017, 18:54
For Comic #3538...

Oooh...  Winslow (re-)joining the humanoid chassis ranks?  The shopping alone should be entertaining. :)

And, oh my gosh, has it really been that long (2007!) [http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1012 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1012))] since then...?

That was a long time ago!
But now the speculation can begin - what sort of body would Winslow want?

Let's see - what's Winslow like? - "Refreshingly sane compared to Pintsize" is his description in the cast list. Also a little bit innocent - or he was before he met Pintsize - probably a bit jaded by now  :wink:
Always the voice of reason, but with a sense of humour.
He has an owner with access to extreme wealth, so there wouldn't be any of the reliability problems of May's chassis, or Marigold's shock when she heard the price of Momo's chassis...

I reckon he'd go for: reliable, straightforward, no bells and whistles.
He's a quiet type, so nothing showy or particularly physically imposing - so probably an average to small build.

Hey, he could end up looking like Clinton before his makeover...  :laugh:
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: shanejayell on 02 Aug 2017, 19:23
Re: Why would Bubbles have been more advanced than other robot bodies: Military R&D is often ahead of civilian versions?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: flondrix on 02 Aug 2017, 19:52
Re: Why would Bubbles have been more advanced than other robot bodies: Military R&D is often ahead of civilian versions?

Hanners' dad's organization is the one behind AI.  Even if the Military is using the most advanced versions, the new developments are coming from Ellicot-Chatham Inc.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Welu on 02 Aug 2017, 20:13
I got the impression the proto-bot was essentially a hobby project Hanners' dad did by himself. So it wouldn't have had the whole organisation working on it.

I'm all excited to see what kind of bodies Winslow will try out. We might see more of the singing AI at the store Marigold and Momo went to before.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: shanejayell on 02 Aug 2017, 20:29
*wonders if Momo/Winslow could hit it off now*

Or possibly May.  :lol: :laugh: :-D
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Gyrre on 02 Aug 2017, 21:15
Dependent on the new chassis,  my head voice may go from Nikki Yang's B-mo voice to the filtered voice in Daft Punk's "Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger". Especially if he goes for a screen-face.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: QuestionableIntentions on 02 Aug 2017, 21:36
If Winslow and Pintsize get both android bodies they could move in together, a whole new level of robot shenanigans.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: BenRG on 02 Aug 2017, 23:12
There's one thing that today's strip reminds us of and it's this: Hannelore doesn't need to work for a living. I suspect that her allowance from one or both of her parents probably doesn't even all get spent most months because it's so large. It's highly possible that Winslow's new body will be one of the highest-spec models. If so, I'd like for it to have a few entertaining quirks due to finely-tuned and aggravatingly delicate components like most high-spec products tend to. Or maybe Winslow can have some acclimatisation problems that turn into a running gag ('Walking is harder than it looks with legs this long!').

I, meanwhile, am looking at Jeph's footer on today's strip and wondering just what he's implying here. Possibly nothing but it could also be foreshadowing.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: St.Clair on 02 Aug 2017, 23:36
He could just be saying there won't be another harlotry trial.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: JimC on 03 Aug 2017, 01:21
Hanners' dad's organization is the one behind AI.
But is the company responsible for originating the mindware necessarily the best at developing the hardware. We've all seen the situation where those who can conceive and originate something are not necessarilly the very best at developing the concept.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Milayna on 03 Aug 2017, 02:02
I'm really curious about the social movements going on in the background. AI's are still a very nascent species, and are still establishing their place in the world, with all sorts of movements going on - recall Momo's and Bubbles' explanations of the role of AI's in combat for instance.

So I wonder if Momo and Winslow and Jeremy - and the increasing number of background humanoid chassis - are occurring in the context of an AI social movement towards anthrocization? Recall also the discussions of robot sexuality, and May's theories that though there's no rational reason for robots to be sexual, hanging around gross, fluid-excreting meatbags rubs off on AI's. With civilian humanoid chassis becoming much more reliable, I wouldn't be surprised at all if anthrocizing is a trending movement - and a countermovement toward, say, cuddly jumping spiders.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: BenRG on 03 Aug 2017, 02:09
Some people on the Subreddit have been speculating if Pintsize will follow the 'humanoid chassis' trend. An increase in his chassis size might further increase the pressure for the group currently in Marten and Faye's apartment to split up into separate groups to have more living space.

A part of me is fascinated by the thought of Winslow, May, Momo and Pintsize setting up their own household. We might then gain an insight into how a group of synthetics, away from the pressures to conform to human social and behavioural norms, would set up their living space and arrange to cover their limited physical needs. More importantly, we'd get an 'Odd Quartet' situation with the wild and crazy Pintsize and May contrasting with the more sane Momo and Winslow.

However, honestly, I can't see Momo and Winslow wanting to leave their humans unless there was some extreme social pressure to do so. Given this and given that I'm not sure Pintsize and May are sufficiently organised to be able to have their own household, it's more likely that Jeph will find some other solution (possibly a move to a bigger house for Marten & Co.).
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: bhtooefr on 03 Aug 2017, 04:21
We also have Melon and Arthur...
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: DSL on 03 Aug 2017, 06:53
I wonder if Jeph will do a chassis-tryout montage, similar to Claire's choice-of-clothing montages we have already seen.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Thrudd on 03 Aug 2017, 07:06
It would be extremely ironic if he went with a chibi chassis ..... or a samurai  :-D
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Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: OldGoat on 03 Aug 2017, 07:38
A part of me is fascinated by the thought of Winslow, May, Momo and Pintsize setting up their own household. We might then gain an insight into how a group of synthetics, away from the pressures to conform to human social and behavioural norms, would set up their living space and arrange to cover their limited physical needs. More importantly, we'd get an 'Odd Quartet' situation with the wild and crazy Pintsize and May contrasting with the more sane Momo and Winslow.
I was thinking that a Winslow|May pairing would provide fodder for all kinds of Henry Higgins|Eliza Doolittle hilarity.   And Momo thinking she can civilize Pintsize?  Oh yeah!  That works!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 03 Aug 2017, 08:27
Global Moderator Comment OK. I think the random robot romantic pairings are over the line.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: OldGoat on 03 Aug 2017, 10:49

OK. I think the random robot romantic pairings are over the line.

"I was thinking that a Winslow|May pairing would provide fodder for all kinds of Henry Higgins|Eliza Doolittle hilarity, And Momo thinking she can civilize Pintsize?  Oh yeah!  That works! as would Momo taking on the Sisyphean task of civilizing Pintsize."

Better?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: pwhodges on 03 Aug 2017, 11:06
Global Moderator Comment We have no in-comic reason to be shipping the robots at present. Winslow wants another body, end of. Not everything is about sex or its precursor relationships.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: OldGoat on 03 Aug 2017, 12:14
Not everything is about sex or its precursor relationships.
I'll grant you that not everything is about sex, but without relationships, "precursor" to sex or not, you're left with NO potential for comedy beyond slap-stick sight gags.  Or interpersonal drama, for that matter.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 03 Aug 2017, 13:16
The synthetics do have a network of relationships with each other, a rich and varied set.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: OldGoat on 03 Aug 2017, 13:55
The synthetics do have a network of relationships with each other, a rich and varied set.
And therein lies the raw material for Jeph to turn into strips for our amusement (and T-shirts and books and mugs for us to buy for his enrichment).
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: flondrix on 03 Aug 2017, 14:18
I got the impression the proto-bot was essentially a hobby project Hanners' dad did by himself. So it wouldn't have had the whole organisation working on it.

We have seen near-identical ones since on the street and working menial office jobs, so it must have become a product.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: A Duck on 03 Aug 2017, 14:23
Come on, people, we all know how Winslow's chassis will look like:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/73/Mr._Clean_logo.png)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: OldGoat on 03 Aug 2017, 14:30
Come on, people, we all know how Winslow's chassis will look like:
Makes comedic sense.  Mild mannered, humble Winslow ends up as Hunk Bot, sort of an AI Elliot.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Thrillho on 03 Aug 2017, 15:03
The synthetics do have a network of relationships with each other, a rich and varied set.
And therein lies the raw material for Jeph to turn into strips for our amusement (and T-shirts and books and mugs for us to buy for his enrichment).

Moderator Comment This isn't a debate. When we request to stop the shipping, please stop the shipping.

We are aware that the shipping rule may be a tad unclear and we are working on that, but when the line has been drawn it's pretty binary.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: OldGoat on 03 Aug 2017, 15:31
The synthetics do have a network of relationships with each other, a rich and varied set.
And therein lies the raw material for Jeph to turn into strips for our amusement (and T-shirts and books and mugs for us to buy for his enrichment).

This isn't a debate. When we request to stop the shipping, please stop the shipping.

We are aware that the shipping rule may be a tad unclear and we are working on that, but when the line has been drawn it's pretty binary.
Please expand upon how agreeing with Cold and expanding upon his comment be construed as "shipping," or even as debate.

(Yes, I'm pushing the boundaries.  Old bastards tend to to that when presented with arbitrary and capricious exercises of authority.)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: pwhodges on 03 Aug 2017, 16:04
Another old bastard (me) would point out that it's neither arbitrary nor capricious - and your saying that doesn't make it so; it's a line we've been doing our best to stand by consistently since December 2010 (see "Conduct in this Forum"), and it's been discussed at length several times over that period.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: OldGoat on 03 Aug 2017, 16:57
Another old bastard (me) would point out that it's neither arbitrary nor capricious - and your saying that doesn't make it so; it's a line we've been doing our best to stand by consistently since December 2010 (see "Conduct in this Forum"), and it's been discussed at length several times over that period.
Please describe how this exchange (with another moderator) constitutes "shipping":
The synthetics do have a network of relationships with each other, a rich and varied set.
And therein lies the raw material for Jeph to turn into strips for our amusement (and T-shirts and books and mugs for us to buy for his enrichment).
and how this
The synthetics do have a network of relationships with each other, a rich and varied set.
And therein lies the raw material for Jeph to turn into strips for our amusement (and T-shirts and books and mugs for us to buy for his enrichment).

This isn't a debate. When we request to stop the shipping, please stop the shipping.

We are aware that the shipping rule may be a tad unclear and we are working on that, but when the line has been drawn it's pretty binary.
is relevant.  That, Sir, is indeed arbitrary and capricious.  I will address this with you further in private.

Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Kugai on 03 Aug 2017, 16:58
Just so long as he doesn't wind up looking like Data, I'm not  concerned
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: DSL on 03 Aug 2017, 17:56
Ironic that an AI seeks a new housing in a brick-and-mortar (or at least a stick-and-drywall) shop, and not on chassis dot bod.

Of course, that would obviate try-before-you-buy and also a few story possibilities.

Who's got the popcorn? Trade you a can of Vernor's.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: DSL on 03 Aug 2017, 18:04
No, wait -- never mind ... Given a good enough connection, an AI could easily shop online for a new chassis.

All the AI has to do is upload him/herself into the new bod remotely and, if the bod is to the bot's liking, conclude the transaction and, as another sort of salesperson would say, "drive this baby home."

This also eliminates the need for

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Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Near Lurker on 03 Aug 2017, 18:35
Softboy just screams "Winslow."
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Method of Madness on 03 Aug 2017, 18:49
I've heard people use the term, and despite looking it up on urbandictionary, I'm still not sure what a "softboy" is.

Edit: Oh, ok, now I've just read a few articles about softboys and holy shit, I hate this fucking world.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: wlewisiii on 03 Aug 2017, 18:55
I hope this trend of the AI characters getting human-sized bodies doesn't lead to Pintsize getting one. Pintsize having opposable thumbs and a longer gait is, I'm pretty sure, the very thing prophesied to bring about Ragnarok.

Fenrir...  < shudders >
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Method of Madness on 03 Aug 2017, 18:57
Only if someone gives him espresso.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: cesium133 on 03 Aug 2017, 19:02
I've heard people use the term, and despite looking it up on urbandictionary, I'm still not sure what a "softboy" is.

Edit: Oh, ok, now I've just read a few articles about softboys and holy shit, I hate this fucking world.
Could you give a summary so I don't have to wade through UrbanDictionary?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: shanejayell on 03 Aug 2017, 19:11
Is it wrong that I want one of the bodies to look JUST like Clinton?  :-D :lol:
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Method of Madness on 03 Aug 2017, 19:30
I've heard people use the term, and despite looking it up on urbandictionary, I'm still not sure what a "softboy" is.

Edit: Oh, ok, now I've just read a few articles about softboys and holy shit, I hate this fucking world.
Could you give a summary so I don't have to wade through UrbanDictionary?
Urban dictionary wasn't helpful, it was basically just a weird combination of a "nice guy" and a fuckboy. I'm not really sure if that's helpful, because now that I think about it, I still don't know if I understand what a softboy is. It's just not a good thing to be, apparently.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: blt on 03 Aug 2017, 19:32
I've heard people use the term, and despite looking it up on urbandictionary, I'm still not sure what a "softboy" is.

Edit: Oh, ok, now I've just read a few articles about softboys and holy shit, I hate this fucking world.
Could you give a summary so I don't have to wade through UrbanDictionary?
Urban dictionary wasn't helpful, it was basically just a weird combination of a "nice guy" and a fuckboy. I'm not really sure if that's helpful, because now that I think about it, I still don't know if I understand what a softboy is. It's just not a good thing to be, apparently.

Jeph often refers to Elliot as a soft boy and as "the softest boy" (it was even on his shirt once I think) so I don't think I can be that bad.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Mark7 on 03 Aug 2017, 19:40
Am I seeing a subtle change in the art style in today's strip?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: shanejayell on 03 Aug 2017, 19:41
So basically a 'bottom.'

Huh.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: SmilingCat on 03 Aug 2017, 19:55
Ironic that an AI seeks a new housing in a brick-and-mortar (or at least a stick-and-drywall) shop, and not on chassis dot bod.

On the other hand, given the wacky antics he's seen other AIs get into, and knowing that AIs are involved deeply in the internet, maybe he's not sure it's safe to be buying a new body online.

He might end up with a chassis full of moray eels.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: War Sparrow on 03 Aug 2017, 20:05
So basically a 'bottom.'

Huh.

I think it might be a "friends with benefits" dude, only with feelings? Some deep research 5 seconds of Google is giving me a range between "Nice Guy" and "FWB who cuddles" and I cannot keep up with kids and their slang these days. But apparently, neither can kids these days, so..win?

In relation to the comic, I hope he goes for the Deluxe Regular Boy Custom Limited, because it sounds like a race car.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: MrNumbers on 03 Aug 2017, 20:29
Winslow would do excellently in a Soft Boy McElroy
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: MrNumbers on 03 Aug 2017, 20:32
I've heard people use the term, and despite looking it up on urbandictionary, I'm still not sure what a "softboy" is.

Edit: Oh, ok, now I've just read a few articles about softboys and holy shit, I hate this fucking world.
Could you give a summary so I don't have to wade through UrbanDictionary?
Urban dictionary wasn't helpful, it was basically just a weird combination of a "nice guy" and a fuckboy. I'm not really sure if that's helpful, because now that I think about it, I still don't know if I understand what a softboy is. It's just not a good thing to be, apparently.

Sorry for the double post:
Soft boy, and that model in particular, is a reference to Griffin McElroy who does the My Brother My Brother and Me podcast and now TV show, Rose Buddies podcast, and a ton of shows on Polygon.com including such series as Car Boys. Jeph references him a lot recently.

(https://specials-images.forbesimg.com/imageserve/5846e099a7ea431d601a8ce2/440x0.jpg?fit=scale&background=000000?fit=scale&background=000000)

The "soft boy" in question.

It's legitimately an homage to him, and Griffin uses it as a flattering term for a genuinely nice, gentle, positive person.

Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: comicalArchitect on 03 Aug 2017, 20:39
I'm seriously so excited to see human Winslow. My guess is that they'll continue on Momo's trend by having his chassis look somewhat young; it would be weird to see an adult with Winslow's personality.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 03 Aug 2017, 21:15
This is a science fictional universe. AIs can develop relationships that make sense to them, but have no resemblance to human ones. (Ok Jeph, there's your challenge.)

Petite purple-haired sales rep looks like she's wearing a chassis similar to Momo's.
Looks like we don't get to see Charlotte today. Dang.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: QuestionableIntentions on 03 Aug 2017, 21:35
What would really be interesting of course would be chassis that change personality or intelligence a la Eclipse Phase
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: St.Clair on 03 Aug 2017, 21:40
Shout out to Eustace "the Boy" Boyce, recently returned to the living world.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: brasca on 03 Aug 2017, 21:54
Is it wrong that I want one of the bodies to look JUST like Clinton?  :-D :lol:

No more than me wanting one of the chassis to resemble Ardent which come to think of it would be an ideal fit.  Ardent is a boy although the pants wearing promise Winslow made could be a bit murky since the Ardent model's default is red boxer briefs. 
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Truec on 03 Aug 2017, 21:55
Needs more military surplus chassis.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: BenRG on 03 Aug 2017, 23:10
Today, Hannelore learns something important: There are no such things as 'regular' body forms. 'Average' and 'normal' are very much subjective definitions; in the end, every body form has its own unique touches. This is a concept that Hannelore should have learned from the near-infinite permutations of coffee but I can understand why she might never have thought that applied to bodies!

It's interesting that there seems to be so much interest in humanoid bodies that it has driven such a large market of options. Maybe we're looking at a major development in AI culture: A large proportion of them want to move away from being 'brains in appliances' and become 'regular people' which, for a variety of social reasons, they associate with being in a humanoid chassis.

FWIW, I'm expecting Winslow to ultimately choose the 'Arthur Dent', an unremarkable (other than by being tall) and plain-looking male form chassis whose default expression is 'mildly confused'. No significant special features to speak of; something tells me that Winslow isn't the sort of guys who is interested in a 'tricked out ride' with all of the potential problems that brings in terms of reliability.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: badbum61 on 03 Aug 2017, 23:24
The Soft Boy needs to look more like this:

(http://www.lchr.org/a/5/on/Robpic11.jpg)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: HiFranc on 04 Aug 2017, 01:17
What went into choosing which model got the solar charger?  Why not all?

These chassis options are way more specialized than what Momo chose from to get her current one. I wonder if this is a different shop, or if the market has simply changed that much in the intervening years however long it's been in-universe.

Sounds more like a set of stereotypes based on a marketing/polling company options.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: nicodb on 04 Aug 2017, 02:04
So, the winslow is trying for something new now after ages of being fluffy? http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20170802#.WYQ1zojyiUk
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: JoeCovenant on 04 Aug 2017, 02:42

I just realised...

He's going to end up as...

"The Winslow Boy!"

(Oh come on! I'm not the ONLY auld git in here!!)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: pwhodges on 04 Aug 2017, 02:42
Global Moderator Comment We have no in-comic reason to be shipping the robots at present. Winslow wants another body, end of. Not everything is about sex or its precursor relationships.

I should clarify that this was a reinforcement of IICIH's preceding comment as a general principle.  It was not intended to be a criticism of OldGoat's immediately preceding post, which is fine.  I apologise for not making that clearer.  Of course not all relationships lead to sex, nor should we too easily assume that.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: JimC on 04 Aug 2017, 03:01
(Yes, I'm pushing the boundaries.  Old bastards tend to to that when presented with arbitrary and capricious exercises of authority.)
Wouldn't it be better manners to step back from the boundaries? I know people like to argue that if you don't like continual shipping or whatever you shouldn't participate in the forums, but there are plenty of places where participants can ship to their hearts content, and this is clearly labelled as a place where folks who object to it won't have to see it. Its hard to think of any rules that are not arbitrary and capricious at the boundary if you examine the boundary point closely enough.

Personally I've found the recent outbreak of shipping rather irritating, and its made me consider participation. Can it not be argued that if for those who don't like the rules here there are any number of places they might go, but for those who do like the rules then there are no other places where they exist? And if so, if I seek to bend or break the rules at every opportunity, am I guilty of failing to act with reasonable consideration for other people?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: St.Clair on 04 Aug 2017, 03:06
We have no in-comic reason to be shipping the robots at present.  Winslow wants another body, end of.  Not everything is about sex or its precursor relationships.

I should clarify that this was a reinforcement of IICIH's preceding comment as a general principle.  It was not intended to be a criticism of OldGoat's immediately preceding post, which is fine.  I apologise for not making that clearer.  Of course not all relationships lead to sex, nor should we too easily assume that.
(emphasis added)

I would love to see fandom assume that a hell of a lot less, but it seems inevitable.
(The assumption that banging is inevitable, I mean. :( )
As a result, I actually find it rather tiresome.
(Also a bit depressing, that so many people's main or sole interest in a given work seems to be "so when are they gonna ****?")
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: JimC on 04 Aug 2017, 03:59
(Also a bit depressing, that so many people's main or sole interest in a given work seems to be "so when are they gonna ****?")
Even more depressing if you are the author I suspect.

Quote from: Dorothy L. Sayers
As I grow older and older,
And totter toward the tomb,
I find that I care less and less,
Who goes to bed with whom.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Cornelius on 04 Aug 2017, 04:35
However, honestly, I can't see Momo and Winslow wanting to leave their humans unless there was some extreme social pressure to do so. Given this and given that I'm not sure Pintsize and May are sufficiently organised to be able to have their own household, it's more likely that Jeph will find some other solution (possibly a move to a bigger house for Marten & Co.).

As for that, if I remember correctly, Hanners once mentioned that it was her dream for all of them to be living together in one manor, with her as the elusive shut-in in the east wing. Which, considering her family and the disposable income that goes with it, is not as impractical as it seems.

Now, whether all characters involved would be interested in giving up their own space and freedom, that is a different question.

Interesting factoid of the day, concerning the suggestion of a Mr. Proper chassis for Winslow: the inventor of Mr. Proper later joined a monastery, and became the abbot.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: SmilingCat on 04 Aug 2017, 04:36
What went into choosing which model got the solar charger?  Why not all?

Honestly, I suspect solar power generation would be insufficient for an anthroPC's needs. Thus a solar charger would be more of an expensive gimmick than something that would be standard on all models. 

Also, it fits the gag.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Ztyx on 04 Aug 2017, 04:50
I don't know of anywhere where the timeline has been established, and I suspect it runs more on Comic Book Time.

Also, Bubbles wasn't born as a combat unit. She was a volunteer that wanted to serve, suggesting that she had a life before that, and presumably a different chassis.

The timeline was last updated in November of 2015. (http://i.imgur.com/FUaRG4B.png)

You make a good point, that Bubbles could have had formative experiences before receiving a humanoid body.  But it also sounds like she has had that body for quite some time, in-strip.  And it is a very convincing human-looking body aside from the coloration and being a muscular giant, both of which were intentional and I assume not the only type being made.  Yeah, continuity kind of suffers there.

On the other hand, since she was part of a military test project to see how AnthroPC would do in the military, it's not very unlikely that they also kept modding or changing out her chassis during the entire time, both as technology evolved and as things came up through testing.

"Bigger body is more imposing, can carry more, and is still no more suspectible to being hit since an arm wound doesn't take out the entire soldier as on a human" - new chassis that is as big as transport vehicles can handle.
"Integral armor gets more expensive or time-consuming to fix, and can be occasionally too bulky" - rebuild, more motile torso and external armor plates
"Some fellow troopers have mentioned trust issues or cooperation problems because harder to read AnthroPC" - new cutting edge head with more emotive ability.

Etc. The point being that just because she probably did at least one year in service, she doesn't have to have started out looking like she did when mustering out.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Cornelius on 04 Aug 2017, 04:58
Also note that she claims that her program ran parallel to the one that developed Pintsize's current chassis.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: flondrix on 04 Aug 2017, 05:16
So I wonder if Momo and Winslow and Jeremy - and the increasing number of background humanoid chassis - are occurring in the context of an AI social movement towards anthrocization?

Jeremy and Seven may have two arms, two legs, and an upright torso, but they are unmistakably proudly Robot.  No face, no attempt at "passing".  In some ways Pintsize is more "humanoid" that they are.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Method of Madness on 04 Aug 2017, 07:35
MrNumbers, thanks! Griffin McElroy is amazing and I need to watch/listen to more of his stuff. Glad to know this is the reference.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Magniras on 04 Aug 2017, 09:08
So I wonder if Momo and Winslow and Jeremy - and the increasing number of background humanoid chassis - are occurring in the context of an AI social movement towards anthrocization?

Jeremy and Seven may have two arms, two legs, and an upright torso, but they are unmistakably proudly Robot.  No face, no attempt at "passing".  In some ways Pintsize is more "humanoid" that they are.

I dont think chassis choice has anything to do with passing as human, given the skin color choices that AI have, but more to do with pre/post-singularity purpose. Jeremy and Seven are both industrial AI, and their new chassi reflect that. Pintsize probably is more human than the two of them will ever be becuase pre-singularity, he was designed to be as human as possible. Same with Momo, Winslow, and Bubbles.  May is an outlier, because she didnt get a choice in her chassis, but I'm willing to bet that she'd have something totally inhuman, like a satellite or a drone.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: USS Martenclaire on 04 Aug 2017, 09:40
The second chassis is actually part of a package deal. It comes with three other male chassis that yell out "BROS, BROS, BROS!" at applicable moments.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Cornelius on 04 Aug 2017, 11:05
I dont think chassis choice has anything to do with passing as human, given the skin color choices that AI have, but more to do with pre/post-singularity purpose. Jeremy and Seven are both industrial AI, and their new chassi reflect that. Pintsize probably is more human than the two of them will ever be becuase pre-singularity, he was designed to be as human as possible. Same with Momo, Winslow, and Bubbles.  May is an outlier, because she didnt get a choice in her chassis, but I'm willing to bet that she'd have something totally inhuman, like a satellite or a drone.

I quite agree; after all, Pintsize is still, despite everything, a companion AI.

As for May, she's made it quite clear she wanted to be a fighter jet.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: JimC on 04 Aug 2017, 11:07
Whats the betting that the sales lass has picked Hannelore either as who she is or at very least being a high value customer and is starting with the top of the range models? I imagine, for example Hanners has no need to stick to the budget brands of clothing and is identifisble as having significant resources even before she gets out her unobtanium American express card..

Its an argument, BTW, against Ellicot-Chatham being much involved with chassis manufacture, since if they were wouldnt the two of them be looking at whats new and superior in next months model range rather than going to the local retail.

Cant help thinking Winslow might be better of with generic androgynous chassis with accessories for gender identity. Its just struck me that Winslow's "I think Im a boy" has two entirely different meanings - in Brit English anyway - depending on intonation.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Case on 04 Aug 2017, 11:59
Not everything is about sex or its precursor relationships.

(http://i.imgur.com/PsiFAMA.png)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: imWACCo on 04 Aug 2017, 12:05
What is "boyces"?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: flondrix on 04 Aug 2017, 12:16
Whats the betting that the sales lass has picked Hannelore either as who she is or at very least being a high value customer and is starting with the top of the range models? I imagine, for example Hanners has no need to stick to the budget brands of clothing and is identifisble as having significant resources even before she gets out her unobtanium American express card..

I doubt that Hanners buys top-of-the-line, just-out-of-Paris clothing.  That's not who she is.  I suspect that her clothing is selected for antimicrobial properties, or ability to be machine washed in scalding hot water.  Would she even be aware of what is fashionable this week?

On the other hand, I suspect that every AI recognizes Hannelore Ellicott-Chatham on sight.

Cant help thinking Winslow might be better of with generic androgynous chassis with accessories for gender identity. Its just struck me that Winslow's "I think Im a boy" has two entirely different meanings - in Brit English anyway - depending on intonation.

He has been without visibly recognizable gender for some time.  I interpret his statement as meaning that he wants to be recognized and treated as male for a change.  And if it turns out he doesn't like it, Union Robotics is just a couple blocks away.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: celticgeek on 04 Aug 2017, 12:23
What is "boyces"?

"choi" ces
"boy" ces

Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: SmilingCat on 04 Aug 2017, 12:45
Cant help thinking Winslow might be better of with generic androgynous chassis with accessories for gender identity. Its just struck me that Winslow's "I think Im a boy" has two entirely different meanings - in Brit English anyway - depending on intonation.

It hints at the idea that AnthroPCs have the same gender identity questions that people face, perhaps even more complex, since they have none of the biological components and their sex is defined entirely by a hardware setting. Since his sex could presumably be changed at will, "I think I'm a boy" suggests that he's not completely sure if either option properly fits him.   
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: JimC on 04 Aug 2017, 13:34
I doubt that Hanners buys top-of-the-line, just-out-of-Paris clothing.  That's not who she is. 
Agreed, but there's more than one sort of expensive clothing. How about the purest of materials, the most accurately cut, that sort of thing, rather than thrown together in a far eastern sweatshop garments? And quite possibly guaranteed sewn together by AIs in clean room conditions with no human hand having ever touched them? Every seam perfectly aligned, stitches matching left and right...

-----------------------------

I think I'm a boy (no particular emphasis) - bare statement. That is what I think and I doubt anyone would dispute it.
*I* think I'm a boy (emphasis I) - but other people may disagree.
I *think* I'm a boy (emphasis think) - but I'm by no means certain and could easily be wrong.
I think *I'm* a boy (emphasis I'm) - and by the way that other person we were discussing isn't.
I think I'm *a* boy (emphasis a) - implies there are lots of other boys and nothing special about this one (contrast I think I'm *the* boy).
I think I'm a *boy* (emphasis boy) - tending to aggressive, in your face. Disagree and I'll get angry.

complicated language this english, isn't it!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 04 Aug 2017, 13:55
Quote from: JimC
Personally I've found the recent outbreak of shipping rather irritating

(regular user)It's the same for me. It feels like a serious conversation is being interrupted. (/)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Kugai on 04 Aug 2017, 15:41
Considering Winslow's question in the last Panel, I'm beginning to wonder just how Winslow identifies him'her self now.

Monday's gonna be interesting.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Thrudd on 04 Aug 2017, 16:49
The Soft Boy needs to look more like this:
(click to show/hide)
In counter to that this model is my response
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: A Duck on 04 Aug 2017, 17:41
The fact that we have to wait all weekend to see Winslow's new body is killing me.

I'm curious, damnit.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 04 Aug 2017, 18:12
Kinda feel like Hanners has gone to a highly specialised store without realising it...
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Gyrre on 04 Aug 2017, 18:19
What went into choosing which model got the solar charger?  Why not all?

These chassis options are way more specialized than what Momo chose from to get her current one. I wonder if this is a different shop, or if the market has simply changed that much in the intervening years however long it's been in-universe.

Sounds more like a set of stereotypes based on a marketing/polling company options.

I'm guessing different store.

One whose marketing department is just as bad as some of the ones we have IRL. Either that or Jeph wanted to reference/make fun of the game 'Dream Daddies' (which has flooded my tumblr dash twice now).
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: ZoeB on 04 Aug 2017, 20:17

I just realised...

He's going to end up as...

"The Winslow Boy!"

(Oh come on! I'm not the ONLY auld git in here!!)

Apparently there was a 1999 remake of the 1948 film too.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: ProvenNonsense on 04 Aug 2017, 23:02
I think it is very difficult creative decision for Jeph to decide Winslow's new chassis, and could even see Winslow deciding to stay in his current one, though it would be a mistake for him to continue in his(both Jeph and Winslow) status quo.  I'm assuming the final choice will be none of the above, because that is just good webcomic writing, but personality wise he would connect more to a soft boy type.  I'm sure we won't dig into this, but philosophically, if you had the choice and unlimited means, what would you choose for your body?  And how would that new body affect your personality? If you are a more shy shut-in type (as is Winslow) would a more athletic conventionally attractive body change you personality? I think it would, at least a little.

I'm also curious of the possibility of non-binary chassis, because what we have seen (in the store) is explicitly male, and I could see an AI having even less need for that than humans have.

Okay, back to lurking.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: BenRG on 04 Aug 2017, 23:34
The fact that we have to wait all weekend to see Winslow's new body is killing me.

It could be even longer than that. Jeph has previously set up something like this and then gone away for a few strips to catch up with other characters before resolving the set-up.

It is quite possible that we won't find out what Winslow's new body looks like until panel three on Friday with Faye saying: "Hey, Hanners! Who's the cutie?"
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 05 Aug 2017, 08:00
Quote
if you had the choice and unlimited means, what would you choose for your body?

Welcome, new person with the fascinating question! That would be a great discussion to start in RELATE as well as here.

I think I'd go for practicality -- strong constitution, fine motor control, that kind of thing. For cost-no-object upgrades I'd be tempted to try out some new senses.

Winslow feels a need to be useful. There was a strip about that. What kind of job would he try for?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: comicalArchitect on 05 Aug 2017, 10:26
I think it is very difficult creative decision for Jeph to decide Winslow's new chassis, and could even see Winslow deciding to stay in his current one, though it would be a mistake for him to continue in his(both Jeph and Winslow) status quo.  I'm assuming the final choice will be none of the above, because that is just good webcomic writing, but personality wise he would connect more to a soft boy type.  I'm sure we won't dig into this, but philosophically, if you had the choice and unlimited means, what would you choose for your body?  And how would that new body affect your personality? If you are a more shy shut-in type (as is Winslow) would a more athletic conventionally attractive body change you personality? I think it would, at least a little.

I'm also curious of the possibility of non-binary chassis, because what we have seen (in the store) is explicitly male, and I could see an AI having even less need for that than humans have.

Okay, back to lurking.

We have seen non-binary chassis—Spookybot's.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: flondrix on 05 Aug 2017, 15:22
I'm also curious of the possibility of non-binary chassis, because what we have seen (in the store) is explicitly male, and I could see an AI having even less need for that than humans have.

Take a look at the very first body we see, with lavender skin and blue hair.  No breasts, no curves, no abs, no broad sholders, no bulge, and a hairdoo very similar to Hannelore's.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: flondrix on 05 Aug 2017, 15:30
We have seen non-binary chassis—Spookybot's.

I thought Spookybot looked like a machine version of Desire of the Endless from Neil Gaiman's The Sandman.  I do not know if that was intentional, but in addition to being genderless and scary, they had very similar tastes in clothing.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: ProvenNonsense on 05 Aug 2017, 17:11
Take a look at the very first body we see, with lavender skin and blue hair.  No breasts, no curves, no abs, no broad sholders, no bulge, and a hairdoo very similar to Hannelore's.

Upon closer examination, I think you're right. I originally read the coloring and delicate curving of the torso as female, and the details being more minimal being a consequence of the stylized panel(I like when Jeph experiments in this way), so that's on me.  I forget Spookybot (or maybe they erased my mind).  I also forgot about Gary and Gordon as well, and I suppose some of the more ramshackle robots from the fighting ring read more neutral.

Jeph could probably do something with AIs who have the same chassis running into eachother. I am positive he did this gag in one of the early Anthro-Pc comics, but can't find it.

Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Gyrre on 06 Aug 2017, 03:54
I think it is very difficult creative decision for Jeph to decide Winslow's new chassis, and could even see Winslow deciding to stay in his current one, though it would be a mistake for him to continue in his(both Jeph and Winslow) status quo.  I'm assuming the final choice will be none of the above, because that is just good webcomic writing, but personality wise he would connect more to a soft boy type.  I'm sure we won't dig into this, but philosophically, if you had the choice and unlimited means, what would you choose for your body?  And how would that new body affect your personality? If you are a more shy shut-in type (as is Winslow) would a more athletic conventionally attractive body change you personality? I think it would, at least a little.

I'm also curious of the possibility of non-binary chassis, because what we have seen (in the store) is explicitly male, and I could see an AI having even less need for that than humans have.

Okay, back to lurking.
Any psychology or sociology journal articles on the presentation of self that you can recommend?

[Earnest question]
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: JimC on 06 Aug 2017, 14:34
We have seen non-binary chassis—Spookybot's.
Interesting, I'd have described it as female.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: hedgie on 06 Aug 2017, 14:50
I thought that there was an intentional androgyny there, which might fit Spookybot's nature.  For regular AIs, though, I'd assume that they'd generally be binary.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Method of Madness on 06 Aug 2017, 15:07
We have seen non-binary chassis—Spookybot's.
Interesting, I'd have described them as female.
And I would have as male at first, so I guess that supports the nb suggestion.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 06 Aug 2017, 19:27
I thought that there was an intentional androgyny there, which might fit Spookybot's nature.

Yeah, the ambiguous nature of Spookybot really benefited from the androgynous nature of its appearance. 
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: ProvenNonsense on 06 Aug 2017, 20:19

Any psychology or sociology journal articles on the presentation of self that you can recommend?

[Earnest question]
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I'm sorry I wish I did, I'm really terrible at remembering exactly where I pick up ideas, and most of them were when I was in college which was few ears ago,  Mea culpa.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: OldGoat on 06 Aug 2017, 22:11
Melon's butt goes missing, Iris Vannas hers to customers on the showroom floor.  Maybe Bubbles and Faye should explore the obvious after-market for robo-bums?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: JoeCovenant on 07 Aug 2017, 02:57

:::wonders how many 'shippers' have bookmarked this strip, so that later they can expound some theory that Hanners is Homo-RoboSexual:::
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: BenRG on 07 Aug 2017, 03:01
Purely hypothetical question: Does anyone think that there are hermaphrodite chassis as well as androgynous ones for non-binary AIs?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: JoeCovenant on 07 Aug 2017, 03:03
Purely hypothetical question: Does anyone think that there are hermaphrodite chassis as well as androgynous ones for non-binary AIs?

"Ooohh! Yes, of course. You'll be interested in our Barbieken range... This way..."
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: pwhodges on 07 Aug 2017, 03:53
I thought Ken was notorious for having nothing down there...
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: JoeCovenant on 07 Aug 2017, 08:56
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I think I'm a boy (no particular emphasis) - bare statement. That is what I think and I doubt anyone would dispute it.


complicated language this english, isn't it!

My favourite example of this is one which I am sure I may have quoted on this very forum...

"I didn't say I killed him."
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: OldGoat on 08 Aug 2017, 08:28
Purely hypothetical question: Does anyone think that there are hermaphrodite chassis as well as androgynous ones for non-binary AIs?
This is a universe with Pintsize in it.   Even if there is no legitimate demand, he'll create an illegitimate one.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: JoeCovenant on 08 Aug 2017, 09:09
I thought Ken was notorious for having nothing down there...

Yeeaahhhh...

For some reason my brain translated Hermaphrodite as *Bisexeunuch!*

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Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Gyrre on 08 Aug 2017, 22:03

Any psychology or sociology journal articles on the presentation of self that you can recommend?

[Earnest question]

I'm sorry I wish I did, I'm really terrible at remembering exactly where I pick up ideas, and most of them were when I was in college which was few ears ago,  Mea culpa.
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No worries. 

That's a big ol "ditto" on that front for me, too. Though I also picked up quite a bit in high school too.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Thrillho on 18 Aug 2017, 07:09
Purely hypothetical question: Does anyone think that there are hermaphrodite chassis as well as androgynous ones for non-binary AIs?

I would obviously defer to the T+ forumites on this one but I am pretty sure that 'hermaphrodite' was not the word to use there.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Bollthorn on 18 Aug 2017, 09:44
Winslow is just too sweet. He kinda reminds me of a younger version of myself, always wanting to do the right thing and help people, but would inadvertently end up rubbing someone the wrong way and overthinking everything. Bless his tiny little chassis ^_^
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: SmilingCat on 18 Aug 2017, 09:49
I would obviously defer to the T+ forumites on this one but I am pretty sure that 'hermaphrodite' was not the word to use there.

Intersex is the current accepted term.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: SmilingCat on 18 Aug 2017, 09:56
Purely hypothetical question: Does anyone think that there are hermaphrodite intersex chassis as well as androgynous ones for non-binary AIs?

AIs have the unique advantage of not having their initial appearance determined by genes. Presumably, if you're willing to spend the money, you can get any type of chassis you want.

Market force determines how cheap it would be, however. If there isn't enough demand to warrant mass production, any exotic variations would probably have to be custom made at a higher price.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: celticgeek on 18 Aug 2017, 10:00
Check with Union Robotics - they do custom genital work.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Cornelius on 18 Aug 2017, 10:01
I'm not sure. Hermaphrodite denotes both sets of genitals, and Im not sure that is the same as intersex. Especially with application to chassis. But I may be wrong.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: SmilingCat on 18 Aug 2017, 10:08
I'm not sure. Hermaphrodite denotes both sets of genitals, and Im not sure that is the same as intersex. Especially with application to chassis. But I may be wrong.

Intersex is sufficiently broadly defined to cover that.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: flondrix on 18 Aug 2017, 13:38
I'm not sure. Hermaphrodite denotes both sets of genitals, and Im not sure that is the same as intersex. Especially with application to chassis. But I may be wrong.

Intersex is sufficiently broadly defined to cover that.

The term hermaphrodite is nowadays considered inappropriate in reference to humans.  Biologists use the word hermaphrodite to refer to individuals that can produce both spermatazoa and ova, though not necessarily at the same time, and they exist in several phyla.  Even some vertebrates (certain fish and amphibians) can change biological sex, though so far as I know only once and only in one direction.  (If anyone has better data, please chime in.)  So far as I know there are no functional hermaphrodites among mammals.  There are individuals with ambiguous external genitalia, but no one with functioning ovaries and uterus can produce viable spermatazoa, and no individual born without a uterus can develop one later on.  The guevedoces of the Dominican Republic are sometimes called pseudohermaphrodites, because they are born with undescended testes and lack internal female reproductive organs. 
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Cornelius on 18 Aug 2017, 13:44
Alright, thanks, that clears it up.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Gyrre on 19 Aug 2017, 02:48
I'm not sure. Hermaphrodite denotes both sets of genitals, and Im not sure that is the same as intersex. Especially with application to chassis. But I may be wrong.

If memory serves 'hermaphrodite' is a hold-over from ye aulden days of alchemy, when scientific knowledge was sorely lacking in some areas (such as genetics, and chemistry).

*shakes fist*
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Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: Case on 20 Aug 2017, 09:54
I'm not sure. Hermaphrodite denotes both sets of genitals, and Im not sure that is the same as intersex. Especially with application to chassis. But I may be wrong.

If memory serves 'hermaphrodite' is a hold-over from ye aulden days of alchemy, when scientific know was sorely lacking in some areas (such as genetics, and chemistry).

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In biology, a hermaphrodite is an organism that has reproductive organs normally associated with both male and female sexes. Many taxonomic groups of animals (mostly invertebrates) do not have separate sexes. In these groups, hermaphroditism is a normal condition, enabling a form of sexual reproduction in which either partner can act as the "female" or "male". For example, the great majority of tunicates, pulmonate snails, opisthobranch snails and slugs are hermaphrodites. Hermaphroditism is also found in some fish species and to a lesser degree in other vertebrates. Most plants are also hermaphrodites.

Historically, the term hermaphrodite has also been used to describe ambiguous genitalia and gonadal mosaicism in individuals of gonochoristic species, especially human beings. The word intersex has come into preferred usage for humans, since the word hermaphrodite is considered to be misleading and stigmatizing, as well as "scientifically specious and clinically problematic".

(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermaphrodite)

Speculating here, but I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the brains of snails lack the neurological framework necessary to have a gendered perception of themselves, something that Intersex humans most definitely have.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3536 to 3540 (31st July to 4th August 2017)
Post by: snufflebottoms on 20 Aug 2017, 19:51
I thought that there was an intentional androgyny there, which might fit Spookybot's nature.  For regular AIs, though, I'd assume that they'd generally be binary.

I mean binary is their language  :claireface: