Shall we continue seeing the adventures of the Inspector Closeau of Personal Assistants?
Perhaps a healthy discourse on the intricacies of interpersonal relationships and the way our parents influence our lives well into adulthood?
Or maybe more butt jokes. We haven't see a flare up in a while.
Let's find out, shall we?
My growing dislike for Ms Birch makes the idea of an encounter with Faye very appealing, especially if the latter is in a sour mood.
There’s no evidence she’s clumsy, but it would be cool if Hannelore ordered Tilly to surprise attack her.
There’s no evidence she’s clumsy, but it would be cool if Hannelore ordered Tilly to surprise attack her.
If Tilly attacked Hannelore while Bubbles was in the shop, it would activate her Hannelore Protection Protocol. This would end badly.
Shall we continue seeing the adventures of the Inspector Closeau of Personal Assistants?That's hardly a fair comparison.
Product placement in QC. Of course when it's your own product it's not bad. We'll know the end is near when every scene includes a Coke product or something.
Feel like an idiot for asking: What's the 13/10 supposed to mean?
I think it's a reference to Dog Rates on Twitter, where a dude rates dogs, but they are all higher than 10. "They're good dogs, Brent" comes from that.
My growing dislike for Ms Birch makes the idea of an encounter with Faye very appealing, especially if the latter is in a sour mood.
Doesn't Dora keep a longsword under the counter? (Or did they move that one to Marten's & Faye's place - i.e. is that the one that Marten threatened Clinton with when he went creepy on Hanners?)
Comic’s up. This is bad: Tilly is sitting in Bubbles’ chair.
Comic’s up. This is bad: Tilly is sitting in Bubbles’ chair.
Perhaps the only chair that fit Bubbles was an intelligent adaptive chair that fits the sitter. The would be one boring job for an AI...
FWIW, if asked, I'm sure that Tilly would surrender the chair, especially if the asker can prove that she is the person whose name it bears. Frankly, a conversation between Bubbles and the 'strange, frantically helpful small human' would probably be more than a little funny!
What kind of long sword? Was it a English long sword, claymore, or zweihander?My growing dislike for Ms Birch makes the idea of an encounter with Faye very appealing, especially if the latter is in a sour mood.
Doesn't Dora keep a longsword under the counter? (Or did they move that one to Marten's & Faye's place - i.e. is that the one that Marten threatened Clinton with when he went creepy on Hanners?)
Longswords are handy & efficient when you've bodies to hide and not much space to hide 'em in - I'm sure Tilly would approve! (Whelp ... maybe not for very long, but ...)
I think it's a reference to Dog Rates on Twitter, where a dude rates dogs, but they are all higher than 10. "They're good dogs, Brent" comes from that.
My growing dislike for Ms Birch makes the idea of an encounter with Faye very appealing, especially if the latter is in a sour mood.
Doesn't Dora keep a longsword under the counter? (Or did they move that one to Marten's & Faye's place - i.e. is that the one that Marten threatened Clinton with when he went creepy on Hanners?)
Technically, I believe the one at CoD was a broadsword, not a longsword. And I thought Clinton met Hanners at CoD, not at Marten's & Faye's place, so I would guess that was the same sword.
What kind of long sword? Was it a basket-hilted long sword, English long sword, claymore, or zweihander?
Later:FWIW, if asked, I'm sure that Tilly would surrender the chair, especially if the asker can prove that she is the person whose name it bears. Frankly, a conversation between Bubbles and the 'strange, frantically helpful small human' would probably be more than a little funny!
I'm imagining how this conversation would go:
"Hi. My name is Bubbles"
"Hi! I'm Tilly Birch!"
*awkwadly looks at each other*
*Tilly looks behind her*
*Tilly silently stand up and move aside, gesturing for Bubbles to sit down*
"Thank you Tilly Birch"
And from that point on Bubbles is the only person to call her Tilly and that makes her want to become besties with her
Also, yeah Tilly is reminiscent of Clinton when he first started.
Maybe she'll become likeable.
I really doubt that Bubbles would get upset over someone sitting in her chair. This is Bubbles we're talking about.
IMO, Clinton raised an alarm or two,
The difference here is Clinton became star struck and had to be sat down (tied down) and explained he was being a super creep. Tilly deliberately forced her way into Hanner's life and is refusing to leave even when she's being told she's been creepy and needs to go away. Clinton reacted to this by saying 'I screwed up, I'm sorry' and did better. Tilly reacted by saying 'Oh, I know better than you what you need, and you'll get used to me.'
The difference here is...The other difference is that Hannelore was frightened and upset by Clinton whereas she is merely exasperated by Tafly.
The difference here is Clinton became star struck and had to be sat down (tied down) and explained he was being a super creep. Tilly deliberately forced her way into Hanner's life and is refusing to leave even when she's being told she's been creepy and needs to go away. Clinton reacted to this by saying 'I screwed up, I'm sorry' and did better. Tilly reacted by saying 'Oh, I know better than you what you need, and you'll get used to me.'
Taffy. Tilly.
What's the problem?
The letters "A" and "I"
"A & I"
"AI" !!
The difference here is Clinton became star struck and had to be sat down (tied down) and explained he was being a super creep. Tilly deliberately forced her way into Hanner's life and is refusing to leave even when she's being told she's been creepy and needs to go away. Clinton reacted to this by saying 'I screwed up, I'm sorry' and did better. Tilly reacted by saying 'Oh, I know better than you what you need, and you'll get used to me.'
The difference here is Clinton became star struck and had to be sat down (tied down) and explained he was being a super creep. Tilly deliberately forced her way into Hanner's life and is refusing to leave even when she's being told she's been creepy and needs to go away. Clinton reacted to this by saying 'I screwed up, I'm sorry' and did better. Tilly reacted by saying 'Oh, I know better than you what you need, and you'll get used to me.'
In popular culture/media, a male creep is considered more threatening, especially towards a female, while female-on-female creepiness is considered more annoying than threatening.That's not just in media, that's real life. Statistically male creeps are significantly more dangerous.
...Whoever suggested giving Tilly a sock may not have been too far off the mark. We're in full Doby territory here. Now even I'm falling off of the Tilly Train. This is a little too much for me.
Tl,DR version; Clinton didn't know he was being a creep, while Tilly doesn't care.
The difference here is...The other difference is that Hannelore was frightened and upset by Clinton whereas she is merely exasperated by Tafly.
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Oh, I should add that if Tilly does not honour normal executive hours and intrudes on Hanners in the evening that would be a major issue, and of course not honouring the 48 hour agreement would be definitively creepy. Incidentally I get Tilly as being very young, several years younger than Hanners. A Tilly older than Hanners would come across to me as a much more sinister figure. I think Tilly engages the helpless kitten reflex for Hanners. After all this is someone who bursts into tears when made a cup of coffee by the boss...
I never thought I would feel this negatively towards Hannelore, but I do.
Ignoring someone's name like Hannelore has been doing, even if negligently or ignorantly, is one of the most disrespectful things you can do to someone.
The wrong name is not even close to the disrespectfulness that Tilly has displayed towards Hanners. Doesn't even touch it.
And I do think it's because Hannelore hasn't noticed.
Tl,DR version; Clinton didn't know he was being a creep, while Tilly doesn't care.
I disagree with you there. I think Tilly is also blissfully ignorant of her creepiness.
Tl,DR version; Clinton didn't know he was being a creep, while Tilly doesn't care.
I disagree with you there. I think Tilly is also blissfully ignorant of her creepiness.
Whelp ... most people would consider being threatened with the police as 'receiving a hint'.
And I'm afraid I can't see how that distinction makes a difference to anybody but Tilly...
Any minute now, I'm sure.
She continued to use the same name when speaking with Dora, though, so it may not be deliberate.
Tl,DR version; Clinton didn't know he was being a creep, while Tilly doesn't care.
I disagree with you there. I think Tilly is also blissfully ignorant of her creepiness.
Tl,DR version; Clinton didn't know he was being a creep, while Tilly doesn't care.
I disagree with you there. I think Tilly is also blissfully ignorant of her creepiness.
Specifically because she was expressly ordered to be oblivious to it by her employer, Beatrice.
Tl,DR version; Clinton didn't know he was being a creep, while Tilly doesn't care.
I disagree with you there. I think Tilly is also blissfully ignorant of her creepiness.
Whelp ... most people would consider being threatened with the police as 'receiving a hint'.
And I'm afraid I can't see how that distinction makes a difference to anybody but Tilly - once she realizes the error of her ways and starts asking herself what the hell motivated her to blatantly refuse to leave another person alone unless being forced to by the police.
Any minute now, I'm sure.
She's shown no capacity for self awareness so far.Stockhold syndrome might just be an explanation for Tilly.
But we've known her for ... how long? How confident can we be in our assessment of someone when we've seen maybe five to ten minutes of their interaction with at most two people? This is what I've been trying to get at.
Thick skull penetration achieved, and in a fairly gentle fashion, I might add!
Tl,DR version; Clinton didn't know he was being a creep, while Tilly doesn't care.
I disagree with you there. I think Tilly is also blissfully ignorant of her creepiness.
Specifically because she was expressly ordered to be oblivious to it by her employer, Beatrice.
That ... is a logical impossibility. You cannot be blissfully ignorant of something because you've been ordered to be oblivious to it, since you'd have to consciously acknowledge said something in order to follow those orders.
Tilly: "I have to go throw myself into the ocean"
Dobby: "And if Dobby does it wrong, Dobby will throw himself off the top most tower!"
Coincidence? I THINK NOT!
I've been hoping since Tilly's introduction that there was going to be some payoff to the story, some other reason for Beatrice sending her that wouldn't be revealed until later. Like maybe there was a subtle plan to trick Hanners into entering the cutthroat world of business. Instead Tilly just got more and more over the top, making my hope for long-term plotting seem less and less likely...
There’s also the matter of power. Hannelore didn’t know anything about Clinton and while she doesn’t know all that much about Tilly the most important fact is she works for her mother. As such she won’t do anything that would displease Beatrice so there’s no physical danger just a nuisance.
And I'm afraid I can't see how that distinction makes a difference to anybody but Tilly - once she realizes the error of her ways and starts asking herself what the hell motivated her to blatantly refuse to leave another person alone unless being forced to by the police.
Tilly's a good kid but I don't think it's guilt that's motivating her in panel 4. It's the realisation that it will probably less painful to kill herself in some clumsy and slow manner than to let her managers discipline her for failing in her assignment. I mean, the next assignment could now be a real winner like 'inventory the ceiling tiles' or 'chair the Working Group on Employee Empowerment until morale improves with a time limit of three months'.
I agree. Tilly's reaction here is purely, "I failed my assignment! I have disappointed The Heiress! I must now commit hara-kiri!" and not any actual realization that any of what she's been doing was wrong.
Tilly's a good kid but I don't think it's guilt that's motivating her in panel 4. It's the realisation that it will probably less painful to kill herself in some clumsy and slow manner than to let her managers discipline her for failing in her assignment. I mean, the next assignment could now be a real winner like 'inventory the ceiling tiles' or 'chair the Working Group on Employee Empowerment until morale improves with a time limit of three months'.
I agree. Tilly's reaction here is purely, "I failed my assignment! I have disappointed The Heiress! I must now commit hara-kiri!" and not any actual realization that any of what she's been doing was wrong.
Oh, yes! Finally! Now this is gonna sound weird, but I really home that Tilly's face is ground into this a bit more... just a little more, then she can start repenting and shit, but the creeper realizing she is creeping is too good to just let go.
According to Google, New Haven is only 83 miles away.
Not so much 'failed' as manoeuvred into a situation where success is impossible on several criteria. It happens in corporate life sometimes and you can be very sure that the manager who gave you flawed instructions isn't the one who is going to be blamed!
Oh, yes! Finally! Now this is gonna sound weird, but I really home that Tilly's face is ground into this a bit more... just a little more, then she can start repenting and shit, but the creeper realizing she is creeping is too good to just let go.
I'm not sure she actually realized she's been creepy, only that her "You can't send me away, I was ordered to ignore your wishes to the contrary, orders are orders, see?" act has alienated the Almighty Heiress. I think it's much more likely that she's thinking, "I shouldn't have pled orders to someone who is rightfully above the rules to begin with! I've ruined everything!"
I imagine that Massachusetts boasts many lakes more conveniently situated than the distant ocean for compensatory drownings. I mean, if you're into that.
That becomes an argument between conscious and subconscious thought/awareness.Tl,DR version; Clinton didn't know he was being a creep, while Tilly doesn't care.
I disagree with you there. I think Tilly is also blissfully ignorant of her creepiness.
Specifically because she was expressly ordered to be oblivious to it by her employer, Beatrice.
That ... is a logical impossibility. You cannot be blissfully ignorant of something because you've been ordered to be oblivious to it, since you'd have to consciously acknowledge said something in order to follow those orders.
Because most large corporations consider the law to be something to work around, not something to obey. I doubt that this is the first project Tilly's been involved in where obeying the law and the rules of human decency is only an issue when a SWAT team, assisted by FBI officers and a SEC auditor or two come busting in to arrest the entire project team.I was more thinking of a certain FDA raid, using out-of-county deputies because of lack of trust of the local constabulary [for good reason], a decade or so back, just outside Chicago.
"Low-pollution diesel engines" comes to mind.
Not so much 'failed' as maneuvered (sp) into a situation where success is impossible on several criteria. It happens in corporate life sometimes and you can be very sure that the manager who gave you flawed instructions isn't the one who is going to be blamed!Sadly all too true.
But it is completely impossible to choose to be ignorant of something, or to follow an order to be ignorant of something - in order to make the choice, or follow the order, you first need to become aware of the something, at which point you are no longer ignorant of it. What we can do is to pretend to others that we are ignorant of something, while in reality we made a conscious choice to ignore it. But this pretence is not a faithful account of reality, and unless we apply some heavy-duty 1984-style doublethink to the problem, at least we ourselves would know it is not.
(*) subconscious [n] - "the totality of mental processes of which the individual is not aware; unreportable mental activities. " (subconscious, www.dictionary.com (http://www.dictionary.com/browse/subconscious?s=t))
(**) oxymoron [n] - "a figure of speech by which a locution produces an incongruous, seemingly self-contradictory effect, as in “cruel kindness” or “to make haste slowly.”." (oxymoron, www.dictionary.com (http://www.dictionary.com/browse/oxymoron?s=t))
(***) ignore [v] - "to intentionally not listen or give attention to" (ignore, www.dictionary.com (https://dictionary.cambridge.org/de/worterbuch/englisch/ignore))
(****) ignorant [adj] - "not having enough knowledge, understanding, or information about something" ignorant, www.dictionary.com (https://dictionary.cambridge.org/de/worterbuch/englisch/ignorant))
Otherwise doubleplusgood oldspeak.
I thought the last strip could put an end to the deep analysis of Tilly's acts and motivations. Oh, boy, how I was wrong...
I'll be back in a week or two to see where it went.
But it is completely impossible to choose to be ignorant of something,Debatable. I choose to be ignorant of the subtleties of "real" coffee. I made a conscious decision not to become au fait with the varieties of coffee types, preparation and all the rest of it. I have an educated palate when it comes to quite enough things already thanks, so I stick to a brand of instant coffee I have found I like, served black. I am vaguely aware there are subtleties way beyond my ken, but that's as far as it goes. I have only the vaguest of clues what all that latty, mocky etc stuff is about, and the one time I was dragged into a St*****ks for an out of office meeting I had not a clue what to order (although I am vaguely aware that St*****ks is to coffee as McMorons is to burgers...).
But it is completely impossible to choose to be ignorant of something,Debatable. I choose to be ignorant of the subtleties of "real" coffee. I made a conscious decision not to become au fait with the varieties of coffee types, preparation and all the rest of it. I have an educated palate when it comes to quite enough things already thanks, so I stick to a brand of instant coffee I have found I like, served black. I am vaguely aware there are subtleties way beyond my ken, but that's as far as it goes. I have only the vaguest of clues what all that latty, mocky etc stuff is about, and the one time I was dragged into a St*****ks for an out of office meeting I had not a clue what to order (although I am vaguely aware that St*****ks is to coffee as McMorons is to burgers...).
She's shown no capacity for self awareness so far.Stockhold syndrome might just be an explanation for Tilly.
But we've known her for ... how long? How confident can we be in our assessment of someone when we've seen maybe five to ten minutes of their interaction with at most two people? This is what I've been trying to get at.
Think about who sent her and just what Hanner's mother is like and has been shown doing.
As a side note, Tilly might also be someone who could play well off of Clinton in more of a way to try helping deprogram her...
The funniest thing about this is that 106 miles is basically like a short trip when you live in a larger state (Texas). For many years, I used to drive 110 miles a day just to get to work (55 each way).
When we go to the beach here, it's around 250 miles from my location. That's a day trip, 4hrs there, spend the day at the beach, 4 hrs back.
I can only hope that this arc ends up stripping Beatrice of her power, wealth, and freedom.
She's shown no capacity for self awareness so far.Stockhold syndrome might just be an explanation for Tilly.
But we've known her for ... how long? How confident can we be in our assessment of someone when we've seen maybe five to ten minutes of their interaction with at most two people? This is what I've been trying to get at.
Think about who sent her and just what Hanner's mother is like and has been shown doing.
As a side note, Tilly might also be someone who could play well off of Clinton in more of a way to try helping deprogram her...
Personally, I would not be at ALL surprised to find that, even if Tilly completely figures out what she did wrong, apologizes, and fully repents, that she was a tool in one of Beatrice's Xanatos Gambits, and that things are still going according to plan. Whatever the plan might be.
So to me, the question we should be asking isn't why isn't Tilly respecting Hannelore's wishes, but why would Beatrice, a known ruthless manipulator, send a fool to Hannelore, the only person Beatrice cares for in any way, in the first place?
For many years, I used to drive 110 miles a day just to get to work (55 each way).
Today, Tilly apologizes ... for wasting Hanners time? :? That wasn't quite what Hanners had complained to her about, was it? So now I'm left wondering whether Tilly understands what she did wrong - other than "mistress being upset with her", which equates to "job not excellently done".
I can only hope that this arc ends up stripping Beatrice of her power, wealth, and freedom.
I really don't see how that could possibly happen, seeing as how Taffy is the only person who has done anything wrong.
Yesterday I was almost ready to concede to Tova that we "did (indeed) see" - Boundaries established & seemingly understood, Hanners was left one apology short and with one surplus offer of remedial self-sacrifice, but such is life, eh? Tilly has seen the light, and it brought tears to her eyes.
Today, Tilly apologizes ... for wasting Hanners time? :? That wasn't quite what Hanners had complained to her about, was it? So now I'm left wondering whether Tilly understands what she did wrong - other than "mistress being upset with her", which equates to "job not excellently done".
I really don't know what to make of her - other than "That. Kid. Has. ISSUES ..."
I didn't know Americans said 'dossier.'
So are Hannelore's hands up like that out of exasperation, or because she was preparing to go kung fu on Taffy if she carried out her hug?
I've got to say that Tilly's story and character are both sounding more and more like Jeph has been binge-reading Dilbert strips from the early-2000s. A character with complete lack of understanding of ethics and morality combined with the heavy-handed comedic missing the point is a very Adams style of humour, IMO. All we need at this point is to find out that Tilly's immediate boss has his hair shaped into horn-like points to complete the comparison!
That becomes an argument between conscious and subconscious thought/awareness.Tl,DR version; Clinton didn't know he was being a creep, while Tilly doesn't care.
I disagree with you there. I think Tilly is also blissfully ignorant of her creepiness.
Specifically because she was expressly ordered to be oblivious to it by her employer, Beatrice.
That ... is a logical impossibility. You cannot be blissfully ignorant of something because you've been ordered to be oblivious to it, since you'd have to consciously acknowledge said something in order to follow those orders.
I have a hard time knowing what to make of this post of yours ...
- Firstly, the term "subconscious awareness" is an oxymoron (*, **) - i.e. this looks like you've tried to support a logically impossible conclusion by adding to it something that is self-contradictory on its face.
- Secondly, editing a quote in the way you did - i.e. retroactively inserting the (violet-coloured) sentence into the original sequence of posts from which it was absent (cf. upthread) - could be interpreted as your trying to suggest that I had overlooked an important part of your argument when I questioned its logical coherence?
Don't want to ascribe any sinister motives to you, but ... do you see how doing this without at least pointing out that the quote was edited could look a little weird?
Look, maybe we should first see whether this isn't simply a semantic problem of confusing the meanings of the verb "to ignore (smth.)" and the adjective "(to be) ignorant (of)" - the former means "to (intentionally) not react to something (that one is aware of)" (***), while the latter means "to be unaware of something" (****), or "to be oblivious to smth.".
Afaics, Tova meant that Tilly might be "blissfully ignorant of her creepiness" (second meaning) when she followed her orders to ignore (first meaning) Hanners' initial attempts at communicating her boundaries.
But it is completely impossible to choose to be ignorant of something, or to follow an order to be ignorant of something - in order to make the choice, or follow the order, you first need to become aware of the something, at which point you are no longer ignorant of it. What we can do is to pretend to others that we are ignorant of something, while in reality we made a conscious choice to ignore it. But this pretence is not a faithful account of reality, and unless we apply some heavy-duty 1984-style doublethink to the problem, at least we ourselves would know it is not.
(*) subconscious [n] - "the totality of mental processes of which the individual is not aware; unreportable mental activities. " (subconscious, www.dictionary.com (http://www.dictionary.com/browse/subconscious?s=t))
(**) oxymoron [n] - "a figure of speech by which a locution produces an incongruous, seemingly self-contradictory effect, as in “cruel kindness” or “to make haste slowly.”." (oxymoron, www.dictionary.com (http://www.dictionary.com/browse/oxymoron?s=t))
(***) ignore [v] - "to intentionally not listen or give attention to" (ignore, www.dictionary.com (https://dictionary.cambridge.org/de/worterbuch/englisch/ignore))
(****) ignorant [adj] - "not having enough knowledge, understanding, or information about something" ignorant, www.dictionary.com (https://dictionary.cambridge.org/de/worterbuch/englisch/ignorant))
Case if I was to ascribe total innocence to Gyrre, I would say they *really* fucked up how quote tags work.
I don't know beyond all doubt that we can do that, as I don't know Gyrre from Richard Spencer. But I mean probably.
Incidentally, this set up does remind me somewhat of the introduction of May.
Well, I don't know if this is a positive or a negative thing:(click to show/hide)
Tilly has some serious psychological issues.
She's already crossed paths with Winslow and will do so again. Winslow is compassionate, used to dealing with a human who has psychological problems, and he's gaining experience as a counselor.
After all the generations humans have spent programming computers it will be a nice touch of irony if a computer deprograms Tilly.
Finally... There is a dossier? I can't help but wonder for what purpose Beatrice had her underlings create an "Idiot's Guide" to Hannelore!
I've said it twice now, having a PA is a point of pride for Beatrice. She practically said as much herself. To her, it's just something her family has.So to me, the question we should be asking isn't why isn't Tilly respecting Hannelore's wishes, but why would Beatrice, a known ruthless manipulator, send a fool to Hannelore, the only person Beatrice cares for in any way, in the first place?
You're right. This doesn't really make sense. Maybe it's time to step back and examine your assumptions.
Everyone is assuming malicious intent on Beatrice's part.
But maybe she's just a bad mother.
It fits what we've seen until now a lot better.
That all assumes that Tilly will even want to be deprogrammed. Remember, she joined the corporation of her own free will, and allowed/is allowing herself to be molded to the corporation's needs in a way that she hopes will benefit her as well (for advancement, raises etc). Deprogramming could interfere with that and potentially ruin her career, probably costing her a job. She would not want that to happen and would resist it, maybe with all her might.
It might be interesting to know age range of people with reactions to Tilly. Just comes across to me as a naive teenager with big hopes and loads of misconceptions about the world outside school. Seen lots of them. Sure she's turned up to 11 because comic, but its all kinda familiar. You just have to cut them a bit of slack in between keeping on pointing them in the right direction because otherwise they'll never be any use for anything, and sadly school did very little for their socialisation.
So I wonder if some of the folks with great antipathy haven't had quite as many dumb kids they need to train up across their tracks yet? I could be completely off the track, but some aspects of what Hanners is trying to cope with ring some bells for me.
Firstly, the violet text was inserted in the wrong area of the post, hence there being nothing below your statement aside from my signature. That post has been edited.
Secondly, a backslash (/) inserted between two words is often done to represent the word "or". Thusly, the latter portion would be 'subconscious thought' or [poor word choice] 'subconscious awareness'. Not sure if I had meant those in the reverse order as the choice applied to both the words 'conscious' and 'subconscious'. [font size=8]12 hour holiday shifts. yay -_-[/font size]
Now I actually have time to explain what I meant since I'm responding at the start of my break instead of the end of it. (No promises of coherence.) Many people form subconscious filters through which they process information. Usually speaking, these involve an individuals preconceptions and worldview. Things that violate this filter settings are ignored. The least controversial example I can think of would be the 'weirdness censor (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WeirdnessCensor)' trope, sometimes called 'reality blindness'.
Now then, haven't we already had a discussion in the forums about not jumping to conclusions to try to prove one's own mental superiority? Earnest question. I'm tired, so I might be mixed up with a discussion on tumblr a few months back.
So to me, the question we should be asking isn't why isn't Tilly respecting Hannelore's wishes, but why would Beatrice, a known ruthless manipulator, send a fool to Hannelore, the only person Beatrice cares for in any way, in the first place?
Put it this way-- Hannelore at the helm of ECI will be able to do the world a lot of good.
If it's a blindly obedient organization she'd be able to steer it.
If the evil is baked in at the fourth-monkey level and is the default mode when the CEO isn't actively looking at you, she might fail.
It might be interesting to know age range of people with reactions to Tilly. Just comes across to me as a naive teenager with big hopes and loads of misconceptions about the world outside school. Seen lots of them. Sure she's turned up to 11 because comic, but its all kinda familiar. You just have to cut them a bit of slack in between keeping on pointing them in the right direction because otherwise they'll never be any use for anything, and sadly school did very little for their socialisation.
So I wonder if some of the folks with great antipathy haven't had quite as many dumb kids they need to train up across their tracks yet? I could be completely off the track, but some aspects of what Hanners is trying to cope with ring some bells for me.
This to me is a very good point. Tilly to me has never read as a sociopath, potential abusive character, or some big creep (though I can well understand why people would get bunny boiler vibes from her actions). I just think that she's probably young, impressionable, overeager, hypersensitive in her self (though not necessarily to others, yes) and really doesn't have much concept of how the working world really works yet. This is probably exactly why Beatrice recruited her. (There's some sociopathy right there.)
I used to be a University administrator and you'd be surprised how many 20-year-olds I came across who took rejection or things not going to their plan very badly. They've in my view just not been taught or learnt emotional intel or resilience properly (I think you need both to be a good PA without having a nervous breakdown, incidentally) and that's as much a shortcoming of the schooling system they've come from as it is of them to not look up how to do that independently (which of course shows good emotional intelligence and self-awareness).
If it's a blindly obedient organization she'd be able to steer it.
If the evil is baked in at the fourth-monkey level and is the default mode when the CEO isn't actively looking at you, she might fail.
Googling "fourth-monkey level" produced an acting company and a horror-novel, neither of which sounds right, so ... some halp? :oops:
Put it this way-- Hannelore at the helm of ECI will be able to do the world a lot of good.
....Can someone remind me of that "Release the Virus" joke was again? It feels relevant.
Well, I don't know if this is a positive or a negative thing:These things remind me of how Jeph introduced Claire. It seems like he's found a new favourite character to draw, So I'm afraid we'll have to endure Tilly for a while. Let's just hope she fades into the background once this silliness with her being Hannelore's PA is over.(click to show/hide)
At least here in the UK, you can have 'on call' jobs where you are required by contract to be available out-of-hours. They're most common in the medical and social care industries.That's sort of true here in Sweden as well, however, the time you're on-call does not count as working hours.
Although my knowledge of UK employment law is not great, I've employed 50+ people over the last 20 years and in all the contracts, we have a clause that states your normal working hours are X but that you agree to work more than 48 hours on occasion and to work from different offices.In Sweden the law is that normal working time is 40h/week, and you may work overtime, up to 150h/year. The overtime may not exceed 48h on a 14 day basis or 50h per month.
Its against the law to make somebody work more than 48 hours a week, averaged over a 17-week period. This exemption doesn't apply to some jobs such as full-time carers, army, some police positions, all emergency services, as per BenRG's post. Whether against the law or unreasonable, I don't know but its also frowned upon in some way to change their working location permanently or regularly.
But you can ask employees to voluntarily agree to exceed both this 48-hour limit and the working location limitation "on occasion". As I say, this has been in every contract I've ever seen - mainly so if they end up working a long week, or you ask them to go to London to work for a week, no laws are broken when they agree, and they can't disagree because it was intimated that this might happen when you employed them. They can choose not to accept this clause or cancel their agreement at any time with 7 days notice if you are abusing it. But its completely commonplace in all employment contracts I've ever seen, as its much harder to impose these things 3 years down the line than at point of employment.
I'm getting the impression that the people who hate Tilly do not actually want her to learn and become a better, more sympathetic person. They'd rather continue to hate her, I guess. Or that she go away. What's up with that? I find it slightly surprising.
I'm getting the impression that the people who hate Tilly do not actually want her to learn and become a better, more sympathetic person. They'd rather continue to hate her, I guess. Or that she go away. What's up with that? I find it slightly surprising.
I agree. It's not that Tilly has done something really horrible, by QC standards. Pintsize's behaviour is, on average, way worse. And, before someone says "oh, he's just an mechanical sidekick, whereas Tilly is an human being and should know better", think of the way Faye and Dora (both humans) treated COD costumers, not long ago. Should we ask them to leave the comic, too?
My point is that there is no way any law in Europe would allow a single person to be working or on-call 24/7/365 as a salaried employee. There is of course people who own their own businesses, politicians etc. where the line between a private life and a public life is non-existent but that's not the point here. Here, at one point sooner or later, Hannelore would have to tell Tilly, "Go home, your working hours are over for today/this week" etc. Is there such a point in the US?
I'm getting the impression that the people who hate Tilly do not actually want her to learn and become a better, more sympathetic person. They'd rather continue to hate her, I guess. Or that she go away. What's up with that? I find it slightly surprising.
Hmm, interesting. Since Hannelore is *still* saying Taffy, I'd say it's definitely an honest mistake (played for lolz) and not passive-aggression. Wonder how long Miss Birch's resignation will last? This probably isn't the end of the name issue although I'm pretty tired of it personally.
If it's a blindly obedient organization she'd be able to steer it.
If the evil is baked in at the fourth-monkey level and is the default mode when the CEO isn't actively looking at you, she might fail.
Googling "fourth-monkey level" produced an acting company and a horror-novel, neither of which sounds right, so ... some halp? :oops:
It's a thought experiment to illustrate how corporate cultures form.
Put four monkeys in a cage, lower a bunch of bananas from the ceiling, and spray them with a fire hose of ice water as soon as they reach for it. Quickly they learn not to reach for the bananas.
Now, remove one of the original four monkeys and put in a new one who's never seen this experiment before. Lower the bananas. The new monkey will reach for them. The other three will beat the crap out of him to prevent the fire hose of ice water from happening again. In short order the newbie gets the idea.
Now take another of the original four away and introduce a second new monkey. It will reach for the bananas. The two veterans and the previous new monkey pile on and beat the crap out of it.
Keep going and you wind up with four monkeys who've never been sprayed with a fire hose of ice water but who will not reach for bananas or tolerate those who do. If they could talk, they'd probably say "That's just not the way we do things around here".
ECI might be full of people like those monkeys. If Hannelore lowered a bunch of socially virtuous projects from the ceiling they might refuse to touch them and beat the crap out of her.
At least here in the UK, you can have 'on call' jobs where you are required by contract to be available out-of-hours. They're most common in the medical and social care industries.We've got that on this side of the pond as well. Railroad enigineers, conductors, and breakmen are also all on-call jobs. As is crew transport for the various railroad companies.
Um, how on earth does a glorified hairnet get infected?
"You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means."
I'm getting the impression that the people who hate Tilly do not actually want her to learn and become a better, more sympathetic person. They'd rather continue to hate her, I guess. Or that she go away. What's up with that? I find it slightly surprising.
I agree. It's not that Tilly has done something really horrible, by QC standards. Pintsize's behaviour is, on average, way worse. And, before someone says "oh, he's just an mechanical sidekick, whereas Tilly is an human being and should know better", think of the way Faye and Dora (both humans) treated COD costumers, not long ago. Should we ask them to leave the comic, too?
It's not my responsibility to train people how to be decent
It's not my responsibility to train people how to be decent
Isn't there an argument to say that its everyone's responsibility to help train everyone to be decent? And that's what society is?
would probably just use a cattle-prod until the problem went away.
I like the way you think.
I'm getting the impression that the people who hate Tilly do not actually want her to learn and become a better, more sympathetic person. They'd rather continue to hate her, I guess. Or that she go away. What's up with that? I find it slightly surprising.
I agree. It's not that Tilly has done something really horrible, by QC standards. Pintsize's behaviour is, on average, way worse. And, before someone says "oh, he's just an mechanical sidekick, whereas Tilly is an human being and should know better", think of the way Faye and Dora (both humans) treated COD costumers, not long ago. Should we ask them to leave the comic, too?
Churning is the practice of signing up for credit cards that offer large signup bonuses in the form of miles, points, or straight cash back for the purpose of obtaining the bonus before cancelling the card. Churning has broadly come to mean simply maximizing credit card and travel rewards.
I'm getting the impression that the people who hate Tilly do not actually want her to learn and become a better, more sympathetic person. They'd rather continue to hate her, I guess. Or that she go away. What's up with that? I find it slightly surprising.
I'm getting the impression that the people who hate Tilly do not actually want her to learn and become a better, more sympathetic person. They'd rather continue to hate her, I guess. Or that she go away. What's up with that? I find it slightly surprising.
I agree. It's not that Tilly has done something really horrible, by QC standards. Pintsize's behaviour is, on average, way worse. And, before someone says "oh, he's just an mechanical sidekick, whereas Tilly is an human being and should know better", think of the way Faye and Dora (both humans) treated COD costumers, not long ago. Should we ask them to leave the comic, too?
I cannot think of anyone more deserving of having Tilly unleashed upon them than mobile-phone companies, so I'm down with her plan.
With 30+ Characters(?) adding a one trick pony like Tilly for another redemption arc feels really redundant. How often do we need Character with flaws joins the group, through the group has personal revelation and grows?
"And, Taffy, once you're done buying a new phone for me, the brooms are in the closet over there..."
Hi guys, first post and all that.
I just wanted to throw this thought out there...
I can imagine Claire's, and possibly Marten's mom's, fingers twitching with an almost uncontrollable urge to whisk Tilly away for a friendly makeover intervention.
Ok, back to our regularly scheduled discussion...
I cannot think of anyone more deserving of having Tilly unleashed upon them than mobile-phone companies, so I'm down with her plan.
Hi guys, first post and all that.I don't know about a makeover for Tilly, but an alliance between Veronica and Clairemom would be a force to be reckoned with. And for all we know, they might have known each other in junior high school.
I just wanted to throw this thought out there...
I can imagine Claire's, and possibly Marten's mom's, fingers twitching with an almost uncontrollable urge to whisk Tilly away for a friendly makeover intervention.
Ok, back to our regularly scheduled discussion...
That seems unlikely considering the Reeds were Californians before Marten followed his college girlfriend back across the continent…Hi guys, first post and all that.I don't know about a makeover for Tilly, but an alliance between Veronica and Clairemom would be a force to be reckoned with. And for all we know, they might have known each other in junior high school.
I just wanted to throw this thought out there...
I can imagine Claire's, and possibly Marten's mom's, fingers twitching with an almost uncontrollable urge to whisk Tilly away for a friendly makeover intervention.
Ok, back to our regularly scheduled discussion...
More unlikely than sentient robots, baristas with pizza delivering super hero doppelgangers, and invisible AI controlled space planes giving people rides to parties?I don't know about a makeover for Tilly, but an alliance between Veronica and Clairemom would be a force to be reckoned with. And for all we know, they might have known each other in junior high school.That seems unlikely considering the Reeds were Californians before Marten followed his college girlfriend back across the continent…
Hi guys, first post and all that.
I just wanted to throw this thought out there...
I can imagine Claire's, and possibly Marten's mom's, fingers twitching with an almost uncontrollable urge to whisk Tilly away for a friendly makeover intervention.
Ok, back to our regularly scheduled discussion...
Hello and welcome.
One thing I would ask though: Why would Claire's mother want to take Tilly out for a makeover? The only person ClaireMom has met from the cast is Marten. There might be an outside chance Veronica might have a word, but that's highly unlikely. She's closer to Faye and Dora than she is to Hanners, from what we've seen. But that's because she has more of a connection to them, what with Faye being Marten's roommate and Dora being Marten's ex.
If anyone were to intervene right now, it would more likely be Dora. And that would be 70% being Hanners' friend and 30% being Tilly being disruptive to the running of CoD.
Anyone else has a feeling that Taffy Tilly is actually gunning for the Ellicott-Chatham empire? As in, CEO?
As Hannah Arendt once said, one of the most horrifying parts of evil is the banality in which it can be done.Anyone else has a feeling that Taffy Tilly is actually gunning for the Ellicott-Chatham empire? As in, CEO?
Taffy strikes me as the exact sort of "I'm sorry, orders are orders!" person who would end up becoming the unflappably "nice" assistant who cheerfully orders liquidations on behalf of the CEO and remembers to both tip the assassins and send gift baskets to the victims' families.
I mean, even here with something as simple as a cell phone, she doesn't see getting what you paid for as the goal; she sees getting what you paid for as the opening position from which to leverage people into giving you more. The concept of a fair deal does not exist in Taffy's world, only "the best deal I can extract from you."
Anyone else has a feeling that Taffy Tilly is actually gunning for the Ellicott-Chatham empire? As in, CEO?
Taffy strikes me as the exact sort of "I'm sorry, orders are orders!" person who would end up becoming the unflappably "nice" assistant who cheerfully orders liquidations on behalf of the CEO and remembers to both tip the assassins and send gift baskets to the victims' families.
I've a dim memory (in Douglas Adams I think) about a line of products that get you out of the problems you wouldn't have if you hadn't used them in the first place.