Personally, I'd like to see Claire pushing Marten out of his comfort zone. He is, as has been noted before, very reluctant to go beyond his current status quo unless there are some pretty strong emotional or interpersonal demands upon him. I, personally, think that Claire is in an ideal position to at least encourage him to look forwards and actually pursue his dreams.
Clinton/Brun/Elliot currently at #1 in the polls... I am clearly not alone in wanting to see that play out.As of my posting they share the #1 with Faye & Bubbles. At least I think it's safe to say that the forum would like a break from Tilly, though I must admit that I'd like Hanners to blow up and throw Tilly out before we continue to the others.
There are few of us, but some still like to see more of Tilly and Hanners.
Has Jeph ever killed off a character in the present day?
Hannelore had given them 48 hours to try and prove their usefulness. Going back on that would be dishonest. At least We seem to be going through day 2 a whole lot quicker than day one.
I think it also shows Winslow hasn't exactly adjusted yet to his new chassis. The dance number may be cute in the I-pad frame, but at full size... I think he still needs to rethink his mode of interaction.
OK, I can see panel 4 as spider combat. The first four times I looked at it I thought it was a duel.
Memory is hazy -- were the spiders Dora's secret flavor ingredient?
Memory is hazy -- were the spiders Dora's secret flavor ingredient?
After all, his general lethargy has cost Marten his relationship with Dora (well, that, and her own issues) and maybe this was kind of a wake-up-call for him not to screw up with Claire…
After all, his general lethargy has cost Marten his relationship with Dora (well, that, and her own issues) and maybe this was kind of a wake-up-call for him not to screw up with Claire…
It still surprises me when people seem to place a lot (or even most) of the blame on Marten for that breakup.
While he could’ve done things better in that relationship, for sure, his passiveness had very little, if anything , to do with it failing, IMO.
... but considering she could make things work with Tai pretty briefly afterwards implies that she isn't just some monster who can never be happy. ...
One theme that has not really been explored yet is possible conflict between a human and AI companion.
After all, his general lethargy has cost Marten his relationship with Dora (well, that, and her own issues) and maybe this was kind of a wake-up-call for him not to screw up with Claire…
It still surprises me when people seem to place a lot (or even most) of the blame on Marten for that breakup.
While he could’ve done things better in that relationship, for sure, his passiveness had very little, if anything , to do with it failing, IMO.
Weeeell.... that's the thing about being lethargic or passive, it NEVER is something you did, because you never do anything. It's true Dora had a large part of it, but considering she could make things work with Tai pretty briefly afterwards implies that she isn't just some monster who can never be happy. Like Hanners, Marten needed to learn to set boundaries. He didn't really do that and simply got mad when Dora overstepped them. Again, Dora was the main reason it all came crashing down, but Marten did pretty much nothing proactively to try to help it either, and I believe that's the point.
After all, his general lethargy has cost Marten his relationship with Dora (well, that, and her own issues) and maybe this was kind of a wake-up-call for him not to screw up with Claire…
It still surprises me when people seem to place a lot (or even most) of the blame on Marten for that breakup.
While he could’ve done things better in that relationship, for sure, his passiveness had very little, if anything , to do with it failing, IMO.
Weeeell.... that's the thing about being lethargic or passive, it NEVER is something you did, because you never do anything. It's true Dora had a large part of it, but considering she could make things work with Tai pretty briefly afterwards implies that she isn't just some monster who can never be happy. Like Hanners, Marten needed to learn to set boundaries. He didn't really do that and simply got mad when Dora overstepped them. Again, Dora was the main reason it all came crashing down, but Marten did pretty much nothing proactively to try to help it either, and I believe that's the point.
As for Marten and boundaries, he was in fact very clear about his boundary with regards to his porn preference. Dora completely ignoring that immediately had nothing to do with Marten not setting any boundaries.
After all, his general lethargy has cost Marten his relationship with Dora (well, that, and her own issues) and maybe this was kind of a wake-up-call for him not to screw up with Claire…
It still surprises me when people seem to place a lot (or even most) of the blame on Marten for that breakup.
While he could’ve done things better in that relationship, for sure, his passiveness had very little, if anything , to do with it failing, IMO.
Weeeell.... that's the thing about being lethargic or passive, it NEVER is something you did, because you never do anything. It's true Dora had a large part of it, but considering she could make things work with Tai pretty briefly afterwards implies that she isn't just some monster who can never be happy. Like Hanners, Marten needed to learn to set boundaries. He didn't really do that and simply got mad when Dora overstepped them. Again, Dora was the main reason it all came crashing down, but Marten did pretty much nothing proactively to try to help it either, and I believe that's the point.
A lack of set boundaries weren't the issue, though. It was Dora's irrational jealousy and insecurities. Which she worked on and thus, why she's making it work with Tai.
I mean, hell, Martin could have been the most proactive boyfriend ever. Short of him breaking off his friendship with Faye and every other female from then until perpetuity AND blinding himself so, he couldn't even look at another woman in passing, yea...there was ZIP he could have done to have salvaged that one. As I said, you can't set boundaries there because boundaries are logic and logic and irrational fears don't mix.
Look, I love Dora and it pissed me off when people tried to put ANY part of Faye's self-destruction on her. But, just like Faye had to own her bullsh*t, Dora has to own hers.
New Comic Up
Now, even Jeph is being very clear about the degree to which Tilly is sucking the joy out of Hannelore's life to the point where I'm now convinced that this the whole point of the arc.
After all, his general lethargy has cost Marten his relationship with Dora (well, that, and her own issues) and maybe this was kind of a wake-up-call for him not to screw up with Claire…
It still surprises me when people seem to place a lot (or even most) of the blame on Marten for that breakup.
While he could’ve done things better in that relationship, for sure, his passiveness had very little, if anything , to do with it failing, IMO.
Weeeell.... that's the thing about being lethargic or passive, it NEVER is something you did, because you never do anything. It's true Dora had a large part of it, but considering she could make things work with Tai pretty briefly afterwards implies that she isn't just some monster who can never be happy. Like Hanners, Marten needed to learn to set boundaries. He didn't really do that and simply got mad when Dora overstepped them. Again, Dora was the main reason it all came crashing down, but Marten did pretty much nothing proactively to try to help it either, and I believe that's the point.
A lack of set boundaries weren't the issue, though. It was Dora's irrational jealousy and insecurities. Which she worked on and thus, why she's making it work with Tai.
I mean, hell, Martin could have been the most proactive boyfriend ever. Short of him breaking off his friendship with Faye and every other female from then until perpetuity AND blinding himself so, he couldn't even look at another woman in passing, yea...there was ZIP he could have done to have salvaged that one. As I said, you can't set boundaries there because boundaries are logic and logic and irrational fears don't mix.
Look, I love Dora and it pissed me off when people tried to put ANY part of Faye's self-destruction on her. But, just like Faye had to own her bullsh*t, Dora has to own hers.
I don't quite know if I agree on that one: I still feel like greater clarity and less waffling would have served Marten well. Still as said, Dora does bear the greatest responsibility.
After all, his general lethargy has cost Marten his relationship with Dora (well, that, and her own issues) and maybe this was kind of a wake-up-call for him not to screw up with Claire…
It still surprises me when people seem to place a lot (or even most) of the blame on Marten for that breakup.
While he could’ve done things better in that relationship, for sure, his passiveness had very little, if anything , to do with it failing, IMO.
Weeeell.... that's the thing about being lethargic or passive, it NEVER is something you did, because you never do anything. It's true Dora had a large part of it, but considering she could make things work with Tai pretty briefly afterwards implies that she isn't just some monster who can never be happy. Like Hanners, Marten needed to learn to set boundaries. He didn't really do that and simply got mad when Dora overstepped them. Again, Dora was the main reason it all came crashing down, but Marten did pretty much nothing proactively to try to help it either, and I believe that's the point.
A lack of set boundaries weren't the issue, though. It was Dora's irrational jealousy and insecurities. Which she worked on and thus, why she's making it work with Tai.
I mean, hell, Martin could have been the most proactive boyfriend ever. Short of him breaking off his friendship with Faye and every other female from then until perpetuity AND blinding himself so, he couldn't even look at another woman in passing, yea...there was ZIP he could have done to have salvaged that one. As I said, you can't set boundaries there because boundaries are logic and logic and irrational fears don't mix.
Look, I love Dora and it pissed me off when people tried to put ANY part of Faye's self-destruction on her. But, just like Faye had to own her bullsh*t, Dora has to own hers.
I don't quite know if I agree on that one: I still feel like greater clarity and less waffling would have served Marten well. Still as said, Dora does bear the greatest responsibility.
A really good foil for both drama and comedy were taken away, and in return we get a trans character whom Marten has no real concerns with dating - besides it never really having been explored in any way at all, at any point - the realisation the Marten / Claire hook-up was (to me) WAY too easy... Unless, of course, Marten just doesn't care much about anything... It was just too easy.
http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2801
This was the last time Claire seemed a half-way decent character...
Since she and Marten hooked up... I dunno.. went from a half way decent support cast to a totally bland main-caster. (And the nose ring was a bad mve IMO)
Tilly is more likable with no dialog. :-P
A really good foil for both drama and comedy were taken away, and in return we get a trans character whom Marten has no real concerns with dating - besides it never really having been explored in any way at all, at any point - the realisation the Marten / Claire hook-up was (to me) WAY too easy... Unless, of course, Marten just doesn't care much about anything... It was just too easy.
http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2801
This was the last time Claire seemed a half-way decent character...
Since she and Marten hooked up... I dunno.. went from a half way decent support cast to a totally bland main-caster. (And the nose ring was a bad mve IMO)
See also #2808 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2808). "We'll talk to each other, and we'll figure out what needs figuring out."
I don't recall any of that figuring out ever happening.
I can understand why Jeph didn't want to delve too deeply into that aspect of Marten and Claire's relationship. However, dating someone who does not fit into the normal boxes is never easy (see also: dating anyone is never easy). No matter how accepting, or indeed passive, you are, there is so much space for drama and conflict. Because such relationships are often built upon an inherent conflict or incompatibility from the start, and the relative ability of both partners to look past it. Muddy waters when it comes to writing comics, though.
One scenario that might keep Tilly around after the 48 hours is up is Penelope giving her 2 weeks notice after her publishing career takes off. Hannelore would be the logical choice for assistant manager, but if she can’t handle the stress then she could delegate it to Tilly.
Not explicitly killed, no. However, there was a barista at CoD named Sara who was abruptly 'put on the bus' during the first 100 or so strips and was never seen again. To this day, Jeph insists that she was eaten by a dinosaur.An allosaurus, to be specific. I do so hope it's getting hungry and is ready for another meal.
One scenario that might keep Tilly around after the 48 hours is up is Penelope giving her 2 weeks notice after her publishing career takes off. Hannelore would be the logical choice for assistant manager, but if she can’t handle the stress then she could delegate it to Tilly.
Assuming Cosette doesn't want it, ot assuming Cosette is even less suitable than Hanners? Wouldn't Cosette have seniority over Hanners?
One scenario that might keep Tilly around after the 48 hours is up is Penelope giving her 2 weeks notice after her publishing career takes off. Hannelore would be the logical choice for assistant manager, but if she can’t handle the stress then she could delegate it to Tilly.
Assuming Cosette doesn't want it, ot assuming Cosette is even less suitable than Hanners? Wouldn't Cosette have seniority over Hanners?
Has Jeph ever killed off a character in the present day?
Well, the first interesting thing in the Tilly arc has nothing to do with Tilly...
...do robots now work most of the low-paid service jobs in QCverse? Are AIs the social equivalent of immigrants?
Panel 3: why our oceans are doomed.
But Mr. Bartholomew Punchbot, CPA and Trooper Roko Basilisk, MSP, do not.Well, the first interesting thing in the Tilly arc has nothing to do with Tilly...
...do robots now work most of the low-paid service jobs in QCverse? Are AIs the social equivalent of immigrants?
That would also be interesting to look into. May, at least, fits that sort of thing...
Spider meat is said to taste like smokey shrimp (prawn), so there's a 50/50 chance Dora was joking.OK, I can see panel 4 as spider combat. The first four times I looked at it I thought it was a duel.
Memory is hazy -- were the spiders Dora's secret flavor ingredient?
I remember what you're talking about, vaguely. It was the comic where she was showing Hanner's the roaster, for the first time, right? And I think she was joking when she said the spiders were her secret ingredient.
...I hope she was joking. :S
But Mr. Bartholomew Punchbot, CPA and Trooper Roko Basilisk, MSP, do not.
But clearly, AIs do not emerge from the creche with equal levels of intellect, ability, or aptitude.
One scenario that might keep Tilly around after the 48 hours is up is Penelope giving her 2 weeks notice after her publishing career takes off. Hannelore would be the logical choice for assistant manager, but if she can’t handle the stress then she could delegate it to Tilly.
Assuming Cosette doesn't want it, ot assuming Cosette is even less suitable than Hanners? Wouldn't Cosette have seniority over Hanners?
Exactly. May has the intellect, but her personality is impulsive and her judgement sucks. I expect that if Jeph ever takes the strip there, the fact that personalities vary out of the creche even though AI minds are formed from the same base code will be revealed to have been a major factor in the court decisions and/or legislation that made AIs people in the QCverse.But Mr. Bartholomew Punchbot, CPA and Trooper Roko Basilisk, MSP, do not.
But clearly, AIs do not emerge from the creche with equal levels of intellect, ability, or aptitude.
May was clearly in a position to handle massive amounts of money before she decided she wanted to be a fighter jet. I'm imagining a system where AIs built for a specific purpose are assumed to be qualified for that job, but if they want to leave that industry, they start at the bottom and have to earn their way up.
Which also makes me wonder about robot college. Can college courses be written directly to the robo-brain? do they have to physically attend classes like humans? Did Roko have to finish all the physical qualifications in the police academy?
After all, his general lethargy has cost Marten his relationship with Dora (well, that, and her own issues) and maybe this was kind of a wake-up-call for him not to screw up with Claire…
It still surprises me when people seem to place a lot (or even most) of the blame on Marten for that breakup.
While he could’ve done things better in that relationship, for sure, his passiveness had very little, if anything , to do with it failing, IMO.
Weeeell.... that's the thing about being lethargic or passive, it NEVER is something you did, because you never do anything. It's true Dora had a large part of it, but considering she could make things work with Tai pretty briefly afterwards implies that she isn't just some monster who can never be happy. Like Hanners, Marten needed to learn to set boundaries. He didn't really do that and simply got mad when Dora overstepped them. Again, Dora was the main reason it all came crashing down, but Marten did pretty much nothing proactively to try to help it either, and I believe that's the point.
A lack of set boundaries weren't the issue, though. It was Dora's irrational jealousy and insecurities. Which she worked on and thus, why she's making it work with Tai.
I mean, hell, Martin could have been the most proactive boyfriend ever. Short of him breaking off his friendship with Faye and every other female from then until perpetuity AND blinding himself so, he couldn't even look at another woman in passing, yea...there was ZIP he could have done to have salvaged that one. As I said, you can't set boundaries there because boundaries are logic and logic and irrational fears don't mix.
Look, I love Dora and it pissed me off when people tried to put ANY part of Faye's self-destruction on her. But, just like Faye had to own her bullsh*t, Dora has to own hers.
I don't quite know if I agree on that one: I still feel like greater clarity and less waffling would have served Marten well. Still as said, Dora does bear the greatest responsibility.
At this point all one can do is sit back and wait for the inevitable moment when Hannelore completely snaps and goes (verbally) berserk on Tilly and Winslow… Any minute now…
Wherever wood floats, there you will find BenRG.(https://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2014_47/770156/141117-napoleon_0739_d1924181b48ec418241681f3510fb699.nbcnews-fp-1200-800.jpg)
Wherever wood floats, there you will find BenRG.(https://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2014_47/770156/141117-napoleon_0739_d1924181b48ec418241681f3510fb699.nbcnews-fp-1200-800.jpg)
Who the Hell opens another person's mail without their go-ahead?
This is some basic "human rights" shit, right there. Nobody has any business touching someone else's correspondence.
EDIT: I mean, it hasn't happened *yet*, and there's been no direct declaration that it will. I guess Winslow just said there's an option to help that Hannelore might agree to.
But I really hope this is not going where I fear this might be going.
Who the Hell opens another person's mail without their go-ahead?No to mention illegal in quite a lot of jurisdictions IIRC.
This is some basic "human rights" shit, right there. Nobody has any business touching someone else's correspondence.
Not sure about the hat (maybe something about Napoleon going down at sea? Losing the battle of Waterloo), but floating wood sounds ideal to make a boat of.Wherever wood floats, there you will find BenRG.(https://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2014_47/770156/141117-napoleon_0739_d1924181b48ec418241681f3510fb699.nbcnews-fp-1200-800.jpg)
(Just in case anyone is wondering.... That loud WHOOSH-ing sound is those posts going WAY over my head!)
:)
Yeah, I was surprised at that question, too. Winslow's her companion/roommate, there's exactly no reason why he would be allowed to touch personal mail. Tilly themselves as a PA should be aware that there are boundaries - they might be allowed to open business correspondence, but they'd still need to ask permission. Also,even if Winslow was allowed to open mail, that permission wouldn't automatically extend to Tilly.
Not sure about the hat (maybe something about Napoleon going down at sea? Losing the battle of Waterloo), but floating wood sounds ideal to make a boat of.(Just in case anyone is wondering.... That loud WHOOSH-ing sound is those posts going WAY over my head!)Wherever wood floats, there you will find BenRG.(click to show/hide)
:)
At this point all one can do is sit back and wait for the inevitable moment when Hannelore completely snaps and goes (verbally) berserk on Tilly and Winslow… Any minute now…
Winslow and Tilly opening Hanner's Mail without her permission could be the final straw that triggers that reaction...
Tilly is sadly still a '4' out of ten for me. Not AWFUL, but not really clicking for me yet.
It's an interesting thing because, up until very recently, Winslow was the controlling intelligence of Hannelore's PDA. So, it is very possible that he has read every email sent to her and that she has sent for years. It may literally not occur to him that there is a limit to the access he should have to her personal communications.
I do have to say that today's strip does make me wonder that, long-term, Tilly's role will be as Winslow's significant other rather than anything directly to do with Hannelore.
Jeph once said something like "absolute free will".
I hope Winslow does not go to Robot Jail for mail tampering.
Jeph once said something like "absolute free will".
I hope Winslow does not go to Robot Jail for mail tampering.
.... I'm imagining a system where AIs built for a specific purpose are assumed to be qualified for that job, but if they want to leave that industry, they start at the bottom and have to earn their way up.
New Comic Up!
You know, having taken a moment to think about it, this is the moment for which Jeph created the character of Tilly. Someone he can have Claire bounce off of indefinitely. Marten is happy that he's found a friend for his GF who shares her interests. Hannelore hopes that Tilly will be sufficiently distracted to keep them out of her way.
Panel 4 really makes me wonder if Tilly is about to explode with glee! Seriously, she's on an escalating excitement rebound reaction!
District Health Board? Dihydroxybenzene? Deutscher Handballbund?
If Tilly looks at the expressions Hannelore has had on her face, there is only one thing they can do if they're a DHB.
The comics from yesterday and today make me wonder are we seeing a rapid rush to finish the story because its petering out or is Jeph trying to get Tilly accepted by the rest of Hanners' circle of friends? Guess we'll find out Friday.
I honestly think that they'll be heartbroken if and when Hannelore tells them, frankly, why she doesn't want them to continue.I do agree there; I still think they're genuinely trying their oblivious best.
(Now, I'm sure you are aware I can't bare the whole shipping stuff... But... maybe there's a way out...That's exactly what I thought when I saw today's comic. What with the hinted tensions between Claire and Marten...
Claire and Taffy hit it off SO much... they become an item! (And vanish off the face of the strip!)
Okay, we're now starting to get into "Teeth pulling" levels of tedium with this story arc.
I mean, what are Claire and Marten doing there? Did they pop round for a coffee and just happen to meet Tilly? Did Hanners invite them over to distract her PA so she could get some work done in peace? I mean, there's nothing to set up the meeting of Claire and Tilly, it's just happening.
The comics from yesterday and today make me wonder are we seeing a rapid rush to finish the story because its petering out or is Jeph trying to get Tilly accepted by the rest of Hanners' circle of friends? Guess we'll find out Friday.
Of course there is also the small possibility that this Tilly arc was solely introduced by JJ to have a nonbinary character in QC and illuminate the proper they/them pronoun use to the QC readership.....I certainly hope that is not the case though.There's always the unthinkable possibility: that Jeph introduced it just because he likes drawing Tilly. Sometimes ab experiment is no more than that.
If Tilly looks at the expressions Hannelore has had on her face, there is only one thing they can do if they're a DHB.
I mean, what are Claire and Marten doing there? Did they pop round for a coffee and just happen to meet Tilly? Did Hanners invite them over to distract her PA so she could get some work done in peace? I mean, there's nothing to set up the meeting of Claire and Tilly, it's just happening.Marten & Faye and Hanners have always been in and out of each others' apartments since the early days of the strip (although M&F's is the more frequent venue). An encounter, chance or otherwise, was inevitable.
They/them.
I had the same thought while writing my last post. I had to use 'they were' instead of 's/he was' , but it only made me pause for a second. The polite option is to use for a person those pronouns that for which they have stated a preference. Is it something to which a lot of us may be unaccustomed, but I don't find it so terrible. Merely unfamiliar.
This is a good attitude.
As a they, which I feel the need to say again so people are reminded we're real people and not just a grammar connundrum to be solved, I can appreciate it is new to some and takes a bit of getting used to at first. Especially for people where English is not a first language for them.
However trying and messing up is a lot more appreciated than refusing outright, or saying we should come up with something "better". That incidentally ignores that trans and nonbinary people have already been having these discussions a long time. It's worth remembering that just because something is new to you does not mean that it is new.
This forum aims to be an inclusive space. That means we aim to be a little bit more compassionate and do a little more to make people feel welcome.
Someone telling you their pronouns is extending a level of vulnerability and trust. Turning around and saying you won't because you think you know better for whatever reason is patronising and can be so hurtful.
They/them.
Tilly uses they/them pronouns and thats cool for her but when someone looks like a girl, acts like a girl, talks like a girl, has a girls name and dresses like a girl I'll call her she because I use he/she pronouns
God, I love this! :laugh:
Claire and Tilly really hit it off. How to call it?
Clailly? Tillaire? Claffy? Taffilly? :-D
TM
Either way, she'll be stuck with Tilly. Along with the rest of us.
I make sure no one has power over me...except my wife and I gave that freely (or I didn't have any choice in the matter)
I've always felt its a choice to be offended by what someone else says about you, like when you let someone else offend you you're basically giving that person power over you
I've always felt its a choice to be offended by what someone else says about you, like when you let someone else offend you you're basically giving that person power over you and I make sure no one has power over me...except my wife and I gave that freely (or I didn't have any choice in the matter) :-)
Of course, I wouldn't dare call someone a dickwaffle, becauseI would at least maintain a modicum of respect for them no matter what I might think or feel about them.dickwaffles are tashtyomnomnom
Well, 3632 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3632) is titled "A Question Finally Answered", but I submit that it actually answers two questions: not only does it establish why robots are able to blush, but it also confirms (for those who still harbored some doubt) that Tilly is not a robot herself.or is a better actor / fibber than we have suspected
Well, 3632 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3632) is titled "A Question Finally Answered", but I submit that it actually answers two questions: not only does it establish why robots are able to blush, but it also confirms (for those who still harbored some doubt) that Tilly is not a robot herself.
Well, 3632 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3632) is titled "A Question Finally Answered", but I submit that it actually answers two questions: not only does it establish why robots are able to blush, but it also confirms (for those who still harbored some doubt) that Tilly is not a robot herself.
Not necessarily, they might be a robot but still not know why they're able to blush. How many of your autonomic functions do you fully understand? :-P
(yes, I know, Tilly's human, quiet you!)
Whelp. looks like all those who want Tilly to disappear at the end of this arc are NOT going to get their wish, since it looks like Tilly has officially been "adopted" by Marten and Claire. I think I can see how this is going to go; if Hannelore tries to dismiss Tilly at the end of the 48 hours, she'll be shamed into changing her mind by Marten and Claire. Or, she'll have some kind of change of heart by the end of the 48 hours and decide to keep Tilly around after all. Either way, she'll be stuck with Tilly. Along with the rest of us. :-P
Whelp. looks like all those who want Tilly to disappear at the end of this arc are NOT going to get their wish, since it looks like Tilly has officially been "adopted" by Marten and Claire. I think I can see how this is going to go; if Hannelore tries to dismiss Tilly at the end of the 48 hours, she'll be shamed into changing her mind by Marten and Claire. Or, she'll have some kind of change of heart by the end of the 48 hours and decide to keep Tilly around after all. Either way, she'll be stuck with Tilly. Along with the rest of us. :-P
Also, I never realized before how deeply he/she pronouns are dug into my thought processes. I'll try to catch my errors when I can, but I apologize in advance for any errors I make.
A subtle feeling of cautious optimism begins to wash over the land. Question is: Will it last?Nah, I don't think so. Tomorrow Hanners will most likely feel the wrath of her mother when she comes around to tell Hanners in no uncertain terms that Ellicott-Chathams have a PA, period.
I will continue drawing a paycheck so long as i spend ten hours a day within twenty meters of your person
...Also, I wrote "other" in the poll: Emily is disturbed by the seemingly aggressive reactions by Tilly and Winslow towards the spiders in the basement and tries to open a meaningful dialogue between Coffee of Doom staff and the resident arachnids....
My prediction: Tilly gets fired by Beatrice, ends up getting hired at CoD, and appears in every QC comic from then on.
It wasn't 'refusal', it was 'psychological inability'. I've got a gut feeling that Tilly was abused pretty thoroughly by Beatrice.
My prediction: Tilly gets fired by Beatrice, ends up getting hired at CoD, and appears in every QC comic from then on.
It wasn't 'refusal', it was 'psychological inability'. I've got a gut feeling that Tilly was abused pretty thoroughly by Beatrice.
I think Tilly will go the way of May - disappear for a while and then come back later.
Both characters are kind of obnoxious but have earned sympathies. Ugh.
Don't forget that when May was introduced, Dale always had the option of saying 'No. Go away.' even if that meant goin without his AR glasses for a day or two. Hanners was forced into this situation by her mother and Tilly.I think Tilly will go the way of May - disappear for a while and then come back later.
Both characters are kind of obnoxious but have earned sympathies. Ugh.
Interesting observation. Indeed, May also has shown some seriously appalling behavior that most of us would not tolerate. Yet, it appears to feel different for most of us (including myself). While I can't speak for others, for myself I think the difference is that May's behavior was sufficiently over-the-top outrageous plus displayed by an AI that it registered as 'comic joke'
I wonder if Tilly will end up working for Dora? Her getting a PA would make a lot of sense in terms of her story arc
A subtle feeling of cautious optimism begins to wash over the land. Question is: Will it last?Nah, I don't think so. Tomorrow Hanners will most likely feel the wrath of her mother when she comes around to tell Hanners in no uncertain terms that Ellicott-Chathams have a PA, period.
I wonder if Tilly will end up working for Dora? Her getting a PA would make a lot of sense in terms of her story arc
Hm, you mean because she has slowly been hiring more people? In that sense yes, but she still runs just this one coffeeshop, not typically a situation in which you need or can even afford a PA. Now hiring her as a barista, maybe....
It would make more sense for her to end up working in some capacity for Union Robotics, giving Faye and Bubbles the opportunity to focus solely on running the repair shop itself. Since it's only the 2 of them, any time they don't have to spend on things like supplier negotiations, marketing, etc. would be a win.
Makr my words, this is not the last we've seen of Tilly. We will see Tilly again, maybe even as Hanner's PA - after she's been shamed or coerced into changing her mind.
(http://technologytherapy.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/byefelicia-sq2.gif)
Had a thought. Now that the excellent Alice Grove is complete maybe move Brun, Claire and Tilly to their own strip where Mr Jaques can exercise his pun muscles and people who enjoy that kind of thing can read it?
> Jeph obviously seems to have fun writing her
The mod team is still asking people to use Tilly's chosen pronouns. It turns out to be deeply meaningful to real-life non-binary people to see pronouns done right.
P.S.: Can you say "Tilly'll be" three times in a row, quickly?
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
P.P.S.: And what do you say to the people looking at you funny when you do? :-D
Because of COURSE Hannelore couldn't speak to her mother WITHOUT Tilly
Firstly, I want to blow my own trumpet a bit ...
P.S.: Can you say "Tilly'll be" three times in a row, quickly?
.
.
.
.
P.P.S.: And what do you say to the people looking at you funny when you do? :-D
Is that a Beetlejuice kind of thing?
The possibility of Hannelore launching a coup attempt against her mother is far less likely as it would effectively be writing Hannelore out of the story.
Because of COURSE Hannelore couldn't speak to her mother WITHOUT Tilly
Hannelore will have a hard time denying the usefulness of Tilly if she asks her to book the whole trip. Which makes the trip pointless...
Crap, it's a paradox!
The possibility of Hannelore launching a coup attempt against her mother is far less likely as it would effectively be writing Hannelore out of the story.
The whole "corporate espionage" thing might have been more than a dad joke.
Pffft.
P.S.: Can you say "Tilly'll be" three times in a row, quickly?
.
.
.
.
P.P.S.: And what do you say to the people looking at you funny when you do? :-D
Is that a Beetlejuice kind of thing?
Can't rightfully say - never seen the movie. Is it?
This whole Tilly arc is an example of bad storytelling.
No, seriously, go back to strip #3606, where Hannelore has her first Tilly-based conversation with her mother. Then skip ahead to today’s strip #3635, to the second phone call. The second call should have been the first one!
Everything that happened between 3606 and 3635 was useless filler. It didn’t help moving the plot along one bit! And don’t tell me "It’s for character development." or "It’s for getting to know Tilly." No. Character development happens during plot, not apart from it. And also, we didn’t really learn anything important we didn’t already know after the first two or three strips involving Tilly, now did we?
Love Tilly or hate them, but stuff like that makes me angry.
Everything that happened between 3606 and 3635 was useless filler. It didn’t help moving the plot along one bit! And don’t tell me "It’s for character development." or "It’s for getting to know Tilly." No. Character development happens during plot, not apart from it. And also, we didn’t really learn anything important we didn’t already know after the first two or three strips involving Tilly, now did we?
This whole Tilly arc is an example of bad storytelling.
...
Love Tilly or hate them, but stuff like that makes me angry.
Because of COURSE Hannelore couldn't speak to her mother WITHOUT Tilly
Because of COURSE Hannelore couldn't speak to her mother WITHOUT Tilly
Everything that happened between 3606 and 3635 was useless filler. It didn’t help moving the plot along one bit! And don’t tell me "It’s for character development." or "It’s for getting to know Tilly." No. Character development happens during plot, not apart from it. And also, we didn’t really learn anything important we didn’t already know after the first two or three strips involving Tilly, now did we?
It's for character development - Hanners', for example.
Because of COURSE Hannelore couldn't speak to her mother WITHOUT Tilly
Of course she COULD do that. But since she'd be speaking to her mother ABOUT Tilly, it seems a little rude to do so without them.
For me, Tilly dug the parallel trenches themselves.
Firstly, I want to blow my own trumpet a bit ...(click to show/hide)
The things you make me look up, Ben ...
Everything that happened between 3606 and 3635 was useless filler. It didn’t help moving the plot along one bit! And don’t tell me "It’s for character development." or "It’s for getting to know Tilly." No. Character development happens during plot, not apart from it. And also, we didn’t really learn anything important we didn’t already know after the first two or three strips involving Tilly, now did we?
It's for character development - Hanners', for example.
Could you elaborate on that?
In what way did Hannelore make an important step of growth or change,that could not have been shown during a trip to and a confrontation with her motherwhen I move the goalposts like so (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moving_the_goalposts#Logical_fallacy)?
Tilly? It's Hannelore. I need to book us some plane tickets.*dramatic sting!*
We're going to see my mother tomorrow.
My chief fear is that this arc concludes in the pair of them telling said parents to piss off and stop using them as pawns in their petty power plays, and then high-fiving into the sunset together.
So, wait, the prestigious position for his child is to be a servant for her child? If that's the case, it sounds like Beatrice already has Tilly's father where she wants him.
So, wait, the prestigious position for his child is to be a servant for her child? If that's the case, it sounds like Beatrice already has Tilly's father where she wants him.
Because of COURSE Hannelore couldn't speak to her mother WITHOUT Tilly
I'd happily never see Tilly again and have this be a simple Hannelore vs. Beatrice confrontation. However, Hannelore is a much nicer person than me. This involves Tilly, and so she is keeping Tilly involved. They are both being manipulated by their respective (ha!) parents and both deserve to respond to that. My chief fear is that this arc concludes in the pair of them telling said parents to piss off and stop using them as pawns in their petty power plays, and then high-fiving into the sunset together.
Everything that happened between 3606 and 3635 was useless filler. It didn’t help moving the plot along one bit! And don’t tell me "It’s for character development." or "It’s for getting to know Tilly." No. Character development happens during plot, not apart from it. And also, we didn’t really learn anything important we didn’t already know after the first two or three strips involving Tilly, now did we?
It's for character development - Hanners', for example.
Could you elaborate on that?
In what way did Hannelore make an important step of growth or change,that could not have been shown during a trip to and a confrontation with her motherwhen I move the goalposts like so (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moving_the_goalposts#Logical_fallacy)?
Dunno man - Allosaurs?
Because of COURSE Hannelore couldn't speak to her mother WITHOUT Tilly
I'd happily never see Tilly again and have this be a simple Hannelore vs. Beatrice confrontation. However, Hannelore is a much nicer person than me. This involves Tilly, and so she is keeping Tilly involved. They are both being manipulated by their respective (ha!) parents and both deserve to respond to that. My chief fear is that this arc concludes in the pair of them telling said parents to piss off and stop using them as pawns in their petty power plays, and then high-fiving into the sunset together.
...and what would be wrong with that?
So, wait, the prestigious position for his child is to be a servant for her child? If that's the case, it sounds like Beatrice already has Tilly's father where she wants him.
There's an ancient practice known as fosterage, where the child of one person would be fostered for a time by another person. Now, it was different to the modern concept of fostering in that ...
Because of COURSE Hannelore couldn't speak to her mother WITHOUT Tilly
Of course she COULD do that. But since she'd be speaking to her mother ABOUT Tilly, it seems a little rude to do so without them.
Not sure in what way you think subdividing one conversation between a group of people into multiple, interconnected conversations between subgroups of that group of people that will all have consequences on one another later, some of which will not be immediately apparent to the participants of one conversation who are also affected by the outcomes of the other, is "logically simplified."
You're going pretty far out of your way to make things more complicated because you don't like Tilly. And, hey, you do you and all, but...that's not "logic" at work.
Geeez, people really have dug their trenches here.
Geeez, people really have dug their trenches here.
So okay, I get that some people aren't enjoying the Tilly storyline at all. Maybe take a break from reading if you're hating it that much? Or, if you are going to keep reading, at least try to put aside your initial impressions. You also don't have to justify your dislike of Tilly to the hilt, or explain in great detail why it is that Jeph is a terrible story writer, just because you personally aren't enjoying it. And you certainly don't need to tell us "I hate Tilly," over and over and over and over again. We get it. It's made the forums an unpleasant place to be, quite frankly.
How about: what do we think Hanners is going to say to her mother?
How about: what do we think Hanners is going to say to her mother?
Obviously Hanners will be pretty unhappy. But I suspect that Tilly will also be unhappy. Both of them have been screwed around by this, and Beatrice appears oblivious.
Not for much longer.
Obviously Hanners will be pretty unhappy. But I suspect that Tilly will also be unhappy. Both of them have been screwed around by this, and Beatrice appears oblivious.
Not for much longer.
O, but it hasn't been confirmed that Tilly didn't know about their father's deal.
Geeez, people really have dug their trenches here.
Yep. A bad initial impression has been set in stone, it seems, and has affected people's reactions to every comic since. For example, Tilly asking Winslow if he opened Hanners' mail seemed to somehow get translated as "See, Tilly is terrible, they opened Hanners' mail." That can only happen when viewing the comic through an "I hate Tilly" filter.
I personally am finding this story reasonably interesting, regardless of whether I like Tilly or not. I mean, I haven't always liked Faye either, for example, but I've always enjoyed her storylines a great deal. The Tilly story is okay, as far as I am concerned, and I'm interested to see where this is headed, mainly from the point of view of personal development for Hanners and her relationship with her mother. Surely not everyone has completely missed this through the haze of Tilly hatred?
Regardless of whether you think the past comics have been "a pointless diversion," just remember that this is a slice of life comic. Pointless comedic diversions are what QC does.
So okay, I get that some people aren't enjoying the Tilly storyline at all. Maybe take a break from reading if you're hating it that much? Or, if you are going to keep reading, at least try to put aside your initial impressions. You also don't have to justify your dislike of Tilly to the hilt, or explain in great detail why it is that Jeph is a terrible story writer, just because you personally aren't enjoying it. And you certainly don't need to tell us "I hate Tilly," over and over and over and over again. We get it. It's made the forums an unpleasant place to be, quite frankly.
P.P.S.: And what do you say to the people looking at you funny when you do?"They made me do it."
Obviously Hanners will be pretty unhappy. But I suspect that Tilly will also be unhappy. Both of them have been screwed around by this, and Beatrice appears oblivious.
Not for much longer.
O, but it hasn't been confirmed that Tilly didn't know about their father's deal.
That's true. Still, I suspect that Tilly did not. Time will tell.
Edited because I suddenly realised that my post was a bit snarky, and I don't want to be guilty myself of adding to the bad vibes. Sorry.
Will we find out more of Hannelore's backstory?
I only just now noticed there's tiny text in the lower right corner of each comic. How long has that been going on?
I only just now noticed there's tiny text in the lower right corner of each comic. How long has that been going on?Since the last timeskip (2 years IRL). 3130 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3130) seems to be the earliest I found. Then it skips a few days and from 3133 it's been every day.
I've never encoutered so much aversion and hatred in a forum before. Somewhere I heard that disappointed fans can become the worst haters. This may be an example. I kinda wonder why the moderation doesn't call for a less agressive intonation here. If I was the owner of a forum and the participants would mostly talk hateful and respectless about my creation, I would surely think about whether I need to provide that forum at all.
NOw, I wasn't around at that time, but what has been said about Tilly has mostly been civil compared to f.i. the discussions when Claire came out.I've never encoutered so much aversion and hatred in a forum before. Somewhere I heard that disappointed fans can become the worst haters. This may be an example. I kinda wonder why the moderation doesn't call for a less agressive intonation here. If I was the owner of a forum and the participants would mostly talk hateful and respectless about my creation, I would surely think about whether I need to provide that forum at all.
Seven/eight years ago, Jeph was indeed thinking exactly that. It took a complete change of moderation staff to save it. But things were a lot worse then than anything in the past few weeks.
Plot twist: Tilly is Hannelore's sibling.I was thinking half-sib. "Ewww, an infant. If you want it, Brontdyn, take it and go," is completely in character for Queen Bea.
Question - why does Tilly’s mother have anything to do with this?"Queen Bea" = Beatrice Chatham
Question - why does Tilly’s mother have anything to do with this?"Queen Bea" = Beatrice Chatham
We're speculating that she and Brontdyn Birch were an item, however briefly, at one time or another and that Hannelore and Tilly are half-siblings.
It does seem like the sort of thing that she'd outsource.
What in the nine hells makes you think Beatrice would go through pregnancy again?To breed another heir, of course. She's the sort to have Plans B through Z, and she certainly has the resources to continue a pregnancy in an incubator if she found it inconvenient to carry it to term. Where the child or children developed would be of little interest to her, but the right genetic material would be of vital importance. Hanners and that infernal sensitivity and conscience of hers is no doubt a concern to Beatrice if not an outright disappointment. Having tried to breed one heir with an ethical if scatter-brained genius, she may well have opted for a second attempt with a fellow brigand. (It occurs to me, did Jeph model Beatrice on Gaius Helen Mohiam?)
What in the nine hells makes you think Beatrice would go through pregnancy again?To breed another heir, of course. She's the sort to have Plans B through Z, and she certainly has the resources to continue a pregnancy in an incubator if she found it inconvenient to carry it to term. Where the child or children developed would be of little interest to her, but the right genetic material would be of vital importance. Hanners and that infernal sensitivity and conscience of hers is no doubt a concern to Beatrice if not an outright disappointment. Having tried to breed one heir with an ethical if scatter-brained genius, she may well have opted for a second attempt with a fellow brigand. (It occurs to me, did Jeph model Beatrice on Gaius Helen Mohiam?)
I'm not predicting that this is where Jeph is taking the story, but it's certainly consistent with the personality of the "[a]lmost completely amoral" character he's created.
Well, in 922 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=922) Beatrice did mention that she didn't know how she got pregnant. It doesn't entirely rule out IVF, but at least it seems highly unlikely that it was planned by Beatrice. Then again, there's her father...
Plot twist: Tilly is Hannelore's sibling.I was thinking half-sib. "Ewww, an infant. If you want it, Brontdyn, take it and go," is completely in character for Queen Bea.
Yes but I was actually thinking they share a father not mother and Beatrice is negotiating with her ex husband.So Brontdyn Birch and John Ellicott-Chatham are one and the same? I dunno, Sufffs. John's a brilliant nerd who probably fits at least a couple DSM-5 descriptions, but I doubt if Dissociative Identity Disorder/Multiple Personality Disorder is among them.
Well, in 922 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=922) Beatrice did mention that she didn't know how she got pregnant. It doesn't entirely rule out IVF, but at least it seems highly unlikely that it was planned by Beatrice. Then again, there's her father...
I don't think that line indicates she's unclear about the errrrh ... "how" of the process of Hanners arriving in this world, rather that it might have involved alcohol & recriminations ("Scatterbrain, meet Martini").
I forgot they used his name.
Oh well.
I feel like though Beatrice couldn't have a secret kid because she'd have been pregnant for 40ish weeks and that's pretty obvious?
I don't see her donating anything unless the payoff is much larger than the initial cost for the donation.I forgot they used his name.
Oh well.
I feel like though Beatrice couldn't have a secret kid because she'd have been pregnant for 40ish weeks and that's pretty obvious?
She could have decided after Hanners "never again" and donated her eggs, and through DNA testing for whatever reasons Beatrice might have had, she discovered Tilly came from one of her donated eggs?
IRL, there is already a market in sperm from 'ideal' men with characteristics women uninterested in a relationship with a man might want their child to inherit. Why not a market in ova too? ... some men who want a child without having any kind of relationship with a woman...