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Title: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: BenRG on 01 Jan 2018, 00:20
Note to Mods - The strip numbers in the Subject line are the correct ones by the number of strips published - Jeph said that he is going to change the strip number of today's strip from 3641 later

Okay, we're into a new year so, I've decided to wrap up our review of last year with a 'best storyline' poll. My favourite, after some thinking about it, was the storyline that crossed over the end of 2016 and lasted some way into 2017 - Bubbles escape from Corpse Witch's control. Although I found the ending rushed and felt that it missed some opportunities, especially with Emily's involvement in Bubbles' virtual mindscape, it was the single story that I really cared about and was impatiently waiting to see what happened next.

What do you think?

Onto today and it looks like Hannelore has plans for Tilly. I wonder if she's decided that her legedarily-disorganised and  random father needs a PA? I mean, I get the impression that he needs help to remember to take his meds... and probably eat and sleep as he is the archetypal monomaniac mad scientist!

Oh, and in world-building, we now have a canon name for the family company: Ellicott-Chatham Enterprises (ECE). Something to remember for the future!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: mercykills on 01 Jan 2018, 00:56
One half of the fandom is placated by the plot devi....I MEAN, Tilly getting a happy ending and the other half is calmed by them getting shot into space to be heard from nevermore?

(https://i0.wp.com/78.media.tumblr.com/bd98eff611885bc16dc754ea188dd2fe/tumblr_oz6zk93Gef1qauc46o5_1280.gif?w=605&ssl=1)

Shrewd, Mr. Jacques.....very shrewd.

And thus the Great Stalker War came to an end...but as with all wars, there were no winners, just those satisfied, in the thought, that they had lost the least.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: MrNumbers on 01 Jan 2018, 00:57
Station's going to get a buddy!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Bad Superman on 01 Jan 2018, 01:13
"If We Don't Own You Yet... We Will!"
 - Motto of Ellicott-Chatham Enterprises

At least they're honest about it...
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Mordhaus on 01 Jan 2018, 01:28
 I'm gonna send her to outer space, To find another race.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: brasca on 01 Jan 2018, 01:45
Ellicot-Chatham Enterprises motto is similar to Globo-Chem's "We own everything so you don't have to"

This may seem like a good outcome for Tilly (and all of their detractors), but they might also be marooned in orbit and forced to watch cheesy movies as some kind of experiment. 
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: traroth on 01 Jan 2018, 02:33
"If We Don't Own You Yet... We Will!"
 - Motto of Ellicott-Chatham Enterprises

At least they're honest about it...

That slogan is sure to make the company so popular!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: SmilingCat on 01 Jan 2018, 03:05
So Hanners wants to send Tilly to the largest collection of emerging technology in the known universe.

Tilly's dad has been encouraging them to take up corporate espionage.

I see no way that this can go hilariously wrong.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Skewbrow on 01 Jan 2018, 05:18
HNY All!

No "strings" attached, Hanners?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: hakko504 on 01 Jan 2018, 05:23
No "strings" attached, Hanners?
You don't need strings in space: things stay the right way up anyway.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: BenRG on 01 Jan 2018, 06:08
No "strings" attached, Hanners?

You don't need strings in space: things stay the right way up anyway.

Actually, space is very good for challenging your entire preconception of the term 'right way up'.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 01 Jan 2018, 06:42
So Hanners wants to send Tilly to the largest collection of emerging technology in the known universe.

Tilly's dad has been encouraging them to take up corporate espionage.

I see no way that this can go hilariously wrong.
........Yep.

 :facepalm:
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Bollthorn on 01 Jan 2018, 08:35
Happy New Year everyone!!

Also, SPAAAAAAAAAAAACE ^_^
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: SomeCanadianWeirdo on 01 Jan 2018, 08:44
Happy New Year everyone!!

Also, SPAAAAAAAAAAAACE ^_^

Which isn't as good as FAAACE! (Context  (http://www.dumbingofage.com/2010/comic/book-1/01-move-in-day/face/)for those who don't know.)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Skewbrow on 01 Jan 2018, 09:50
No "strings" attached, Hanners?

You don't need strings in space: things stay the right way up anyway.

Actually, space is very good for challenging your entire preconception of the term 'right way up'.

Ok, so my attempt at a pun failed. Ho-hum. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/String_theory)

Story arc of the year? I was torn between liberating Bubbles, and its follow-up, the Union Robotics. Looks like I made the minority choice. I guess my decision was swayed by the fact that UR is about both Faye & Bubbles looking for their place.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: JRDelirio on 01 Jan 2018, 10:15
Well, it does provide a more elegant solution to putting a sympathetic character on a bus than just making them disappear to be presumaby eaten by the allosaurus.  And it allows us to keep Tilly, like Station, safely in reserve and conected to Hanners for any future time they may fit the story.   


... about "If we don't own you we will"... Hannermom's name is Beatrice, right?  The IRL Beatrice Corporation used to run ads back in the 80s pointing out how many of our everyday brands they actually owned.  Hmmm...
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: OldGoat on 01 Jan 2018, 10:19
... about "If we don't own you we will"... Hannermom's name is Beatrice, right?  The IRL Beatrice Corporation used to run ads back in the 80s pointing out how many of our everyday brands they actually owned.  Hmmm...
Dear God, what did she put in the Butterfingers back then?  (Nestles owns them now.)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/46/Butterfinger_wrapped.jpg)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: ChipNoir on 01 Jan 2018, 11:09
The answer to Tilly has clearly been to fire them into space.

At least Hanner's is nice enough to give her a rocket with a habitable interior and a place to land and live after. More than a lot of people would give them.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 01 Jan 2018, 14:46
4D space is -my- favorite. We get an extra regular polyhedron!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: brasca on 01 Jan 2018, 15:07
So Hanners wants to send Tilly to the largest collection of emerging technology in the known universe.

Tilly's dad has been encouraging them to take up corporate espionage.

I see no way that this can go hilariously wrong.
........Yep.

 :facepalm:

Jeph previously stated Tilly would be a terrible spy so if you don't believe they wouldn't betray Dr. Ellicot-Chatman out of sheer loyalty then believe that they'd botch it up within a day and lose little to no secrets. 
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 01 Jan 2018, 16:07
Who said you'd have to be good at being a spy to get the job done? (http://www.cracked.com/article_19440_the-6-most-hilariously-inept-spies-all-time.html)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: blt on 01 Jan 2018, 16:56
I have to imagine (assuming that their father isn't as inept as they are), that Tilly would be an easy person to manipulate into accidental spying though. 

Just get them spooled up and excited talking about their day "helping" at work and you're sure to get more than you need from the deluge of cool things Dr. E-C is up to.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: shanejayell on 01 Jan 2018, 18:16
Shoot them into space... space suit not required.  :evil:
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: A small perverse otter on 01 Jan 2018, 19:47
4D space is -my- favorite. We get an extra regular polyhedron!
Yeah, and all the cool semiregular ones, too!

Pity things get so regularly boring further up.

(ETA: That was badly worded; it sounds like I'm complaining about the thread. In 5D and above, there are only 3 regular polytopes, and they're really dull: the simplex, the surface of the box, and the dual of the surface of the box.)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Bad Superman on 01 Jan 2018, 21:26
One half of the fandom is placated by the plot devi....I MEAN, Tilly getting a happy ending and the other half is calmed by them getting shot into space to be heard from nevermore?

One has to wonder if this was the plan all along, or a kind of plan-B-type decision based on the rather mixed reception of the character.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: St.Clair on 01 Jan 2018, 21:58
Ellicot-Chatham Enterprises motto is similar to Globo-Chem's "We own everything so you don't have to"

This may seem like a good outcome for Tilly (and all of their detractors), but they might also be marooned in orbit and forced to watch cheesy movies as some kind of experiment.

(la la la!)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: BenRG on 02 Jan 2018, 01:37
New Comic Up!

Yeah, I guessed that Dr John was one of those super-genius types who need to be kept alive by others, especially when they're chasing up a Shiny New IdeaTM.

Tilly...? Tilly! Whoa there, kiddo! Don't oversell yourself; being 'enthusiastic' is good but being 'fanatical' makes some bosses a bit nervous! Meanwhile, I'm pretty sure that panel 3 tells us just what Hannelore really thinks of Tilly, even though she is being nice to them because, let's face it, that's who she is.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Bad Superman on 02 Jan 2018, 02:10
I wanted to write something like: "Damn, Tilly, calm down!"

But then I remembered comic no. 3626:
http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3626 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3626)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: BenRG on 02 Jan 2018, 02:12
Something that I've just noticed whilst re-reading the strip: There is a rare confirmation today of the season in which the strip is set. Grey skies and leaves on the sidewalk in the park so it's currently early Fall.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: WoaLG on 02 Jan 2018, 02:24
I liked the pizza delivery drone. I am disappointed that it was repurposed.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: traroth on 02 Jan 2018, 02:42
This story arc is taking forever. Climb in that rocket already, Dummy! Chop chop!

That excruciating slow pace is really starting to trample on my nerves...
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: WoaLG on 02 Jan 2018, 03:34
This story arc is taking forever. Climb in that rocket already, Dummy! Chop chop!

That excruciating slow pace is really starting to trample on my nerves...

Is anybody else experiencing the bizarre phenomenon where the more you see people complaining about Tilly on the forums, the more you actually like them?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Tova on 02 Jan 2018, 04:08
Yep.

Meanwhile, I'm pretty sure that panel 3 tells us just what Hannelore really thinks of Tilly, even though she is being nice to them because, let's face it, that's who she is.

So, what do you think Hannelore really thinks of Tilly?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: BenRG on 02 Jan 2018, 04:30
Yep.

Meanwhile, I'm pretty sure that panel 3 tells us just what Hannelore really thinks of Tilly, even though she is being nice to them because, let's face it, that's who she is.

So, what do you think Hannelore really thinks of Tilly?

Seriously, seriously annoying and, worse, so lacking in self-awareness that they don't realise it unless it is rubbed in their face.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Welu on 02 Jan 2018, 05:35
Is anybody else experiencing the bizarre phenomenon where the more you see people complaining about Tilly on the forums, the more you actually like them?

Yeah, same here. They're still low on my personal list of how much I like each character, but I also never felt as strongly negative as some have expressed.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: mercykills on 02 Jan 2018, 06:21
This story arc is taking forever. Climb in that rocket already, Dummy! Chop chop!

That excruciating slow pace is really starting to trample on my nerves...

Is anybody else experiencing the bizarre phenomenon where the more you see people complaining about Tilly on the forums, the more you actually like them?

Well, contrarians exist on every topic imaginable. Soooo, of course.

But, seriously, this plot device running around in some poor person's skin can go the route of Poochie, now.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Rincewind on 02 Jan 2018, 06:56
If Ellicot-Chatham Enterprises ever gets that holo-projector tech down to light-bee size (like in Red Dwarf) there'll be some rather strange looking folks wandering the streets.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: shanejayell on 02 Jan 2018, 07:05
Good luck Tilly!

Don't forget to write!

Actually, forget to write. Please.  :-D
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 02 Jan 2018, 09:22
"Mr." Ellicott?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Thrillho on 02 Jan 2018, 09:39
I don't normally ask this kind of question, but who on the space station is going to pay Tilly for this? I can understand all amenities being covered, but what about earning actual money.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 02 Jan 2018, 09:48
Presumably Station, considering he was able to give the Lieutenant shares in the company.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: TinPenguin on 02 Jan 2018, 09:53
I don't normally ask this kind of question, but who on the space station is going to pay Tilly for this? I can understand all amenities being covered, but what about earning actual money.

If your amenities are covered, you don't need actual money. But I don't doubt that if Station can offer them the job, he can get them on the paylist, too.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: OldGoat on 02 Jan 2018, 10:12
Presumably Station, considering he was able to give the Lieutenant shares in the company.
IIRC those shares were a portion of his own considerable personal holdings in the company, so it would have been a private transaction. 

But, yes, other than the USAF security detail and a flight ("platoon" to ground-pounders) or two of human and AI techs to physically turn wrenches, everyone on board is under operations in some way, shape, or form.  That's what keeps the facility's life support plant down to a size that makes the activity economically viable.  Absolutely, Station would be in charge of payroll and accounting along with all the other myriad support activities on the station.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Thrillho on 02 Jan 2018, 10:40
I don't normally ask this kind of question, but who on the space station is going to pay Tilly for this? I can understand all amenities being covered, but what about earning actual money.

If your amenities are covered, you don't need actual money. But I don't doubt that if Station can offer them the job, he can get them on the paylist, too.

It's not about need, I'm thinking of want. Unless Tilly is an extraordinarily dedicated communist.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: jwhouk on 02 Jan 2018, 11:30
I suspect Station is more or less in charge of hiring decisions, and only has to run it past Dr. Dad to get approval.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Morituri on 02 Jan 2018, 11:52
I suspect that one of the first tasks Station gives "assistant" Tilly will be to get a stack of paperwork to Dr. Ellicott for signatures.  One of which, of course, will be an operating budget, with a subschedule "payroll", with a line item "personal assistant for Dr. Ellicott."

Entirely routine.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Tyr on 02 Jan 2018, 12:31
I suspect that one of the first tasks Station gives "assistant" Tilly will be to get a stack of paperwork to Dr. Ellicott for signatures.  One of which, of course, will be an operating budget, with a subschedule "payroll", with a line item "personal assistant for Dr. Ellicott."

Entirely routine.
in other words, almost EXACTLY what Beatrice did to Hanellore.
"Hey,here's a personal assistant!" only they also have paperwork to prove that Hannerdad approved it.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: OldGoat on 02 Jan 2018, 12:53
I suspect that one of the first tasks Station gives "assistant" Tilly will be to get a stack of paperwork to Dr. Ellicott for signatures.  One of which, of course, will be an operating budget, with a subschedule "payroll", with a line item "personal assistant for Dr. Ellicott."

Entirely routine.
in other words, almost EXACTLY what Beatrice did to Hanellore.
"Hey,here's a personal assistant!" only they also have paperwork to prove that Hannerdad approved it.
Almost, but not quite.  There are two major differences. 
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Mr_Rose on 02 Jan 2018, 13:21
Also, there’s already someone doing the same job, who doesn’t necessarily want/need to, on top of all their other duties.
At the very least if Science Dad spills tea on Tilly they won’t short out. Probably.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Tova on 02 Jan 2018, 13:37
Yep.

Meanwhile, I'm pretty sure that panel 3 tells us just what Hannelore really thinks of Tilly, even though she is being nice to them because, let's face it, that's who she is.

So, what do you think Hannelore really thinks of Tilly?

Seriously, seriously annoying and, worse, so lacking in self-awareness that they don't realise it unless it is rubbed in their face.

Isn't that what you think of them? :)

I don't think Hanners' feelings about Tilly are purely negative. Obviously she finds Tilly's over-enthusiasm trying, and she hasn't even tried to hide that here.  But if you feel that Hanners' feelings about Tilly are of pure dislike and that she's simply lying about it it to be "nice", then I guess you think less of Hanners than I do. I don't think Hanners would be so dissembling.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Akima on 02 Jan 2018, 13:55
I agree. With Hanners, what you see is what you get. She's practically the poster-girl for it.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: BenRG on 02 Jan 2018, 14:15
Yep.

Meanwhile, I'm pretty sure that panel 3 tells us just what Hannelore really thinks of Tilly, even though she is being nice to them because, let's face it, that's who she is.

So, what do you think Hannelore really thinks of Tilly?

Seriously, seriously annoying and, worse, so lacking in self-awareness that they don't realise it unless it is rubbed in their face.

Isn't that what you think of them? :)

No, and I think that Hannelore has shown her views in the comics to date.

I don't think Hanners' feelings about Tilly are purely negative. Obviously she finds Tilly's over-enthusiasm trying, and she hasn't even tried to hide that here.  But if you feel that Hanners' feelings about Tilly are of pure dislike and that she's simply lying about it it to be "nice", then I guess you think less of Hanners than I do. I don't think Hanners would be so dissembling.

She's not 'lying' about anything. She has enough empathy to genuinely feel bad for Tilly and want to help. However, that doesn't change the fact that her view of Tilly as a person is generally negative.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: JimC on 02 Jan 2018, 15:15
- ]Hanners and Station are doing it in good faith/sans rationalizations, and
 - John will welcome the help.
- debatable, seems like Hanners is doing it mainly as guilt avoidance
 - how do we know. I imagine Beatrice thought Hanners might like the help too.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Tova on 02 Jan 2018, 15:47
I guess we'll find out soon enough, eh?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: anahata on 02 Jan 2018, 16:24
I agree. With Hanners, what you see is what you get. She's practically the poster-girl for it.

Certainly that, and also she cares about people*, however irritating they may be, and wants to help if they are in any sort of trouble.

*ETA: except Juicy, perhaps...
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: SmilingCat on 02 Jan 2018, 16:44
"I will do this job even if I barf myself inside out!"

I feel ya, Tilly, unemployment sucks.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Case on 02 Jan 2018, 16:46
Have to say that the "Annie Lennox tribute look" really suits Hanners.



I agree. With Hanners, what you see is what you get. She's practically the poster-girl for it.

A lot of dealing with mental health stuff boils down to sorting accurate cognitions about important real-world stuff from ... all the rest that is clamouring for your attention (Once you're past the mortified-because-brain-hates-me stage(s), that is ...)

Even white lying can feel like renting an AWACS for the express purpose of gaslighting radio astronomers - you sort of get the purpose of it (who wouldn't want to mess with radio astronomers?), but when you've spend significant amounts of time and energy learning to weed out all the weird disinformation your brain throws your way, the idea of doing it deliberately can appear ... crazy?  :-\
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: mercykills on 02 Jan 2018, 16:53
<snip>But if you feel that Hanners' feelings about Tilly are of pure dislike and that she's simply lying about it it to be "nice", then I guess you think less of Hanners than I do. I don't think Hanners would be so dissembling.

Uhhhh...isn't the entire reason this arc has happened because Hannelore was too "nice", on the first day, to forcibly put their foot down and say, "Nope. don't need a PA. Get the f*** away from me.", and yet, instead decided to prolong her own suffering because of Tilly's feelings?

Because there's no way Hanner's thought there was even a 0.000001% that in 48 hours Tilly was gonna change her mind and convince her to make the position permanent.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Baleanopter on 02 Jan 2018, 17:01
Is anybody else experiencing the bizarre phenomenon where the more you see people complaining about Tilly on the forums, the more you actually like them?
Seriously, I never got where the bile came from to begin with. The more they vent of it, the more I like the intensely determined to be a paragon of competence little bespectacled genderless person.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Tova on 02 Jan 2018, 17:17
<snip>But if you feel that Hanners' feelings about Tilly are of pure dislike and that she's simply lying about it it to be "nice", then I guess you think less of Hanners than I do. I don't think Hanners would be so dissembling.

Uhhhh...isn't the entire reason this arc has happened because Hannelore was too "nice", on the first day, to forcibly put their foot down and say, "Nope. don't need a PA. Get the f*** away from me.", and yet, instead decided to prolong her own suffering because of Tilly's feelings?

Specifically, because Hanners failed to properly establish her boundaries. Something Dora, thankfully, encouraged her to do later on.

Failure to establish boundaries is not "being nice."
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Gyrre on 02 Jan 2018, 17:28
"If We Don't Own You Yet... We Will!"
 - Motto of Ellicott-Chatham Enterprises

At least they're honest about it...

That slogan is sure to make the company so popular!
Makes them sound like bitter rivals with Disney.

Anybody know a good anti-trust/anti-monopoly prosecutor?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Tova on 02 Jan 2018, 17:45
Yes, I can recommend an outstanding organisation. They were "Law Firm of the Year" in Antitrust Law just last year.

Jackson, Monk, and Rowe.
An Ellicott-Chatham Enterprises Company.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: mercykills on 02 Jan 2018, 19:06
<snip>But if you feel that Hanners' feelings about Tilly are of pure dislike and that she's simply lying about it it to be "nice", then I guess you think less of Hanners than I do. I don't think Hanners would be so dissembling.

Uhhhh...isn't the entire reason this arc has happened because Hannelore was too "nice", on the first day, to forcibly put their foot down and say, "Nope. don't need a PA. Get the f*** away from me.", and yet, instead decided to prolong her own suffering because of Tilly's feelings?

Specifically, because Hanners failed to properly establish her boundaries. Something Dora, thankfully, encouraged her to do later on.

Failure to establish boundaries is not "being nice."

Riiight. And after "establishing boundaries" instead of making Tilly leave right then and there, they let them have the 48 hours, for no other reason, than to be nice. Because, as I said, there's no way Hanner's thought there was even a 0.000001% that she was going to change her mind about keeping a PA around long term.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Tova on 02 Jan 2018, 19:07
We'll have to agree to disagree.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 02 Jan 2018, 19:33
However much tea you spill on Tilly, you can't short them out.

"I will do this job even if I barf myself inside out!" ... Pictures?

More bonus points to Hannelore for making an appropriate personnel decision.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Penquin47 on 02 Jan 2018, 20:45
- ]Hanners and Station are doing it in good faith/sans rationalizations, and
 - John will welcome the help.
- debatable, seems like Hanners is doing it mainly as guilt avoidance
 - how do we know. I imagine Beatrice thought Hanners might like the help too.

Main difference here: Station and various drones are already doing the job that they plan to give Tilly, rather than trying to invent one for them.  It's not going well and Station would welcome the help.  With Hanners, she was doing everything Tilly would have done for her on her own and it was working just fine.

If it makes you more comfortable, think of it this way: while, nominally, Tilly is John Ellicott-Chatham's personal assistant and their duties are typically things described with that job description, they are being hired by Station, who has chosen to subcontract one of his many job titles on the station.  Both Station and Hanners know John well enough to believe that he won't care who's doing the job as long as the job gets done - and they both actually *do* know him, rather than making assumptions based on what they think John is like.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 02 Jan 2018, 21:11
Folks, I dislike Tilly as much as the next person, but can we tone down the level of vitriol that seems to be coming from some corners of the forum? We get it, people don’t like them, it’s been said enough times elsewhere that we don’t really need to repeat it here. And as it seems, Tilly is being put on the Space Bus to a better life elsewhere, so how about people retain some dignity and calm down.

Don’t make me become Captain Reasonable. No one wants that!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 02 Jan 2018, 21:40
Wait, what?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Morituri on 02 Jan 2018, 22:27
I dunno:  I find Tilly pretty amusing, but that may be just because ever since I found out Tilly's dad has been trying to get corporate espionage done, I've been imagining a spinoff comic where Tilly is attached as a personal assistant to Tortura in wacky hijinks that take them inside the base complexes of evil supervillains, where the guards carry uzis and the corporate limos are mostly armored vehicles....
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: mercykills on 02 Jan 2018, 22:42
Folks, I dislike Tilly as much as the next person, but can we tone down the level of vitriol that seems to be coming from some corners of the forum? We get it, people don’t like them, it’s been said enough times elsewhere that we don’t really need to repeat it here. And as it seems, Tilly is being put on the Space Bus to a better life elsewhere, so how about people retain some dignity and calm down.

Don’t make me become Captain Reasonable. No one wants that!

Well, if today's[Tuesday] comic was about say, Union Robotics, and clearly the beginning of a new arc, and people were still talking about their like/dislike of Tilly, I'd wholeheartedly agree with you. But to say, people can't, discuss a character that is central to a, now, three-four week arc is just unfair. And I am, definitely, not just pointing this at you Castle, I just keep seeing these, "well, if you didn't come here to say how much you love Tilly, don't post about them at all" takes* and it's irritating because unless they violate the forum rules or the Creator's and mod's stated wishes**, people should be free to express their dislike of a character for as long as that character is central to the current plot line without getting shut down with "well, you're being negative, so, shut up!" responses.

*And yes, that is what's happening because no one's calling for the people who like Tilly to stop expressing their views, it's only on those who dislike them to keep their opinions to themselves...

**And yes, I'll admit that certain people have used a dislike of Tilly to be disgustingly disrespectful towards the LGBT+ community and those people have rightly been shut down by the community and dealt with by the moderators and are currently, hopefully, rotting somewhere.

Again, not an attack on you Castle, I just happen to disagree.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 02 Jan 2018, 23:16
I'd say that's reasonable.

The current strip underlines what another commentator has said about Hannelore's respect towards others.
I'm too lazy to look Whoever up, but you get a pat on the back from me.

... Or it could just be that without the drag of a three month buffer, Jeph is freer to trim his sails according to the prevailing wind.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: WoaLG on 02 Jan 2018, 23:36
*And yes, that is what's happening because no one's calling for the people who like Tilly to stop expressing their views, it's only on those who dislike them to keep their opinions to themselves...

I've seen very few people posting that they like Tilly. And I suspect that those that do mostly don't post about it because of the overwhelming negativity.

I think that people should be free to "express their dislike of a character," but is it too much to ask that they come up with something original? There's just a lot of people repeating the same thing over and over and nobody adding anything new to the discussion. So if you want to express your dislike, give us a reason and a thoughtful discussion, but stop being negative for the purpose of being negative.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: BenRG on 03 Jan 2018, 01:33
New Comic Up
Questionable Content, ladies and gentlemen. In this strip, unpopular characters aren't put on a bus, they're put on a spaceship!

For me, what this arc has communicated is how fundamentally nice Hannelore is, how hard it is to push her to not be nice and, perhaps, we are reminded of just how totally unhealthy her family connections are. In so many ways, the first time she's had a real support structure is after she was able to open a communication with Marten and Faye.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Tova on 03 Jan 2018, 02:11
*And yes, that is what's happening because no one's calling for the people who like Tilly to stop expressing their views, it's only on those who dislike them to keep their opinions to themselves...

I've seen very few people posting that they like Tilly.

Okay, so since you (kind of) asked.

Tilly reminds me a teensy bit of my new kitten.

A bit clumsy and overeager, and needs to be taught boundaries, but quite adorable regardless.

I just keep seeing these, "well, if you didn't come here to say how much you love Tilly, don't post about them at all" takes* and it's irritating because unless they violate the forum rules or the Creator's and mod's stated wishes**, people should be free to express their dislike of a character for as long as that character is central to the current plot line without getting shut down with "well, you're being negative, so, shut up!" responses.

*And yes, that is what's happening because no one's calling for the people who like Tilly to stop expressing their views, it's only on those who dislike them to keep their opinions to themselves...

I don't think anyone should have to stop posting just because they dislike a character or plot arc. Please do feel free to state your opinion. That's why we're all here, obviously.

I do feel, and have previously posted, that the same negative and vitriolic post made repetitively does drag the forum down and reduce enjoyment for the rest of us. Just turn the volume dial down below 11. That's all my previous posts on the topic have tried to say.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: oddtail on 03 Jan 2018, 02:18
I do feel, and have previously posted, that the same negative and vitriolic post made repetitively does drag the forum down and reduce enjoyment for the rest of us. Just turn the volume dial down below 11. That's all my previous posts on the topic have tried to say.

I very much share this sentiment, and I don't like Tilly.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: WoaLG on 03 Jan 2018, 02:35
For me, what this arc has communicated is how fundamentally nice Hannelore is, how hard it is to push her to not be nice and, perhaps, we are reminded of just how totally unhealthy her family connections are. In so many ways, the first time she's had a real support structure is after she was able to open a communication with Marten and Faye.

And she's HUGGING somebody. I know she did it just a few strips ago, but that was heat of the moment.

Are we sure that this is still Hanners and she hasn't been replaced by an AI with a very detailed chassis?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Tova on 03 Jan 2018, 03:06
For me, what this arc has communicated is how fundamentally nice Hannelore is, how hard it is to push her to not be nice and, perhaps, we are reminded of just how totally unhealthy her family connections are. In so many ways, the first time she's had a real support structure is after she was able to open a communication with Marten and Faye.

And she's HUGGING somebody. I know she did it just a few strips ago, but that was heat of the moment.

Are we sure that this is still Hanners and she hasn't been replaced by an AI with a very detailed chassis?

Extraordinary, isn't it?

I think there is a bond there. Perhaps because they have both been mistreated by Beatrice?

Hanners certainly does not hug anyone just to be nice.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: TinPenguin on 03 Jan 2018, 03:10
Surprised to see Tilly being shot into space with quite such rapidity, not even a change of clothes. I had thought that the nearly-empty shuttle that escorted Hannelore and friends to space for the birthday party was a privilege for the daughter of the boss. But it turns out they'll burn that much resources on just about anything.

Anyway, I won't pretend I'm not glad to see Tilly go, but I'm sure she'll do great up there. Hopefully we won't have an incoming angry call from Dr. Ellicott to be greeted by Hanners cheerful "Yes, isn't it wonderful?!"
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Tova on 03 Jan 2018, 03:25
Oh, one last thing, just because no-one else has yet said it.

I was happy to see Tilly, in the end, drop the formality and address her their new friend Hannelore by her name.

Edit: argh sorry
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 03 Jan 2018, 04:21
Folks, I dislike Tilly as much as the next person, but can we tone down the level of vitriol that seems to be coming from some corners of the forum? We get it, people don’t like them, it’s been said enough times elsewhere that we don’t really need to repeat it here. And as it seems, Tilly is being put on the Space Bus to a better life elsewhere, so how about people retain some dignity and calm down.

Don’t make me become Captain Reasonable. No one wants that!

Well, if today's[Tuesday] comic was about say, Union Robotics, and clearly the beginning of a new arc, and people were still talking about their like/dislike of Tilly, I'd wholeheartedly agree with you. But to say, people can't, discuss a character that is central to a, now, three-four week arc is just unfair. And I am, definitely, not just pointing this at you Castle, I just keep seeing these, "well, if you didn't come here to say how much you love Tilly, don't post about them at all" takes* and it's irritating because unless they violate the forum rules or the Creator's and mod's stated wishes**, people should be free to express their dislike of a character for as long as that character is central to the current plot line without getting shut down with "well, you're being negative, so, shut up!" responses.

*And yes, that is what's happening because no one's calling for the people who like Tilly to stop expressing their views, it's only on those who dislike them to keep their opinions to themselves...

**And yes, I'll admit that certain people have used a dislike of Tilly to be disgustingly disrespectful towards the LGBT+ community and those people have rightly been shut down by the community and dealt with by the moderators and are currently, hopefully, rotting somewhere.

Again, not an attack on you Castle, I just happen to disagree.

The thing is; there's discussing a character, there's beating a dead horse and then there's beating the body into a fine red paste on the ground.

Guess where the Tilly-dislike is veering into?

Discussing a character is fine, but when you're at the end of the arc of a story and seeing the kind of comments that have been popping up, its just a little grating to go through the same rigmarole week after week after painful week.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: JoeCovenant on 03 Jan 2018, 05:04

Ahhh.....

(https://media.giphy.com/media/xT5LMVuasYhETDlxkY/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: WareWolf on 03 Jan 2018, 05:18
I have to say, I'm a little bemused by the level of anti-Tilly feeling. I mean, she's annoying, but she's not THAT horrible.

But then, I haven't been here for a while.

Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Gyrre on 03 Jan 2018, 05:23
This story arc is taking forever. Climb in that rocket already, Dummy! Chop chop!

That excruciating slow pace is really starting to trample on my nerves...

Might I suggest a few comics to binge on in the meantime?

Supernormal Step:  modern fantasy, mostly serious with some comedy, some world hopping
Miamaska: sci-fi, teenager finds herself in an alternate dimension, bigger plot slowly unfolds)
Skin Horse: fantasy sci-fi comedy w/ some serious moments; follow a team of shadow government social workers. Team consists of Canadian super soldier dog, failed super soldier patch-work zombie, token human psychologist who's a former Green Berret and crossdresser.


EDIT: herp derp. Forgot one.
The Monster Under The Bed: modern fantasy with some NSFW. A bit of a role reversed  'beauty and the beast' sort of story, but more complicated and with 100% less incest (read the original version).
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: DaiJB on 03 Jan 2018, 05:36
Wow - Hannelore hugging someone again??
Very few have successfully hugged Hannelore without hyperventilation as a result.
As far as I can remember, no-one has hugged her twice...

Is Tilly the irritating grain of sand that enabled Oyster-Hannelore to start creating a pearl?

In other words, is Hannelore finally coming out of her shell?  :-P
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Case on 03 Jan 2018, 05:39
Folks, I dislike Tilly as much as the next person, but can we tone down the level of vitriol that seems to be coming from some corners of the forum? We get it, people don’t like them, it’s been said enough times elsewhere that we don’t really need to repeat it here. And as it seems, Tilly is being put on the Space Bus to a better life elsewhere, so how about people retain some dignity and calm down.

Don’t make me become Captain Reasonable. No one wants that!

I do feel, and have previously posted, that the same negative and vitriolic post made repetitively does drag the forum down and reduce enjoyment for the rest of us. Just turn the volume dial down below 11. That's all my previous posts on the topic have tried to say.

I very much share this sentiment, and I don't like Tilly.

Thirded, both of 'em. And no, I don't feel especially positive or trusting about Tilly either.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: blt on 03 Jan 2018, 05:46
Does anyone else find the amount of physical affection coming from Hanners sort of jarring? I mean there's heat of the moment, there's character progression, but I just find it odd we've seen so much of a jump to hugging Tilly 3 times in about as many strips.

Like I understand Tilly is the super special author fave right now, but when hugging her dad was such a big deal, and the closest thing from one of her oldest friends was this (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3534) only ~100 strips ago, I have to raise my eyebrows.

And,

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Case on 03 Jan 2018, 06:32
Does anyone else find the amount of physical affection coming from Hanners sort of jarring? I mean there's heat of the moment, there's character progression, but I just find it odd we've seen so much of a jump to hugging Tilly 3 times in about as many strips.

Like I understand Tilly is the super special author fave right now, but when hugging her dad was such a big deal, and the closest thing from one of her oldest friends was this (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3534) only ~100 strips ago, I have to raise my eyebrows.

Dunno - I've experienced OCD, but my intrusive thoughts didn't revolve around contamination/purity (*). Also, I'm no mental health expert, just one guy who knows more than he ever wanted to know about one manifestation of OCD in one particular brain.

That being said: No, in my experience, OCD doesn't go into remission from one week to the next - but what can absolutely happen is that some day, you find yourself noticing your support network avoiding Bad ThingTM before you noticed the presence of Bad ThingTM, and you catch yourself being 'eerily chill' about it. That's what "healing" felt like to me. That you start 'forgetting to freak out where you are supposed to'.

New meds can have that effect - I've pictured the onset of an SNRI becoming effective in my system as sensing that my 'mechanism' (**) was trying to go into high gear, but couldn't summon enough fear-fuel from my mind to start the tail-spin. Felt like it was screaming abuse at the "ignition" but the motor just wouldn't start. I literally talked to it once: "Mornin' 'lil fella. I don't seem to be able to be sufficiently freaked out for the horror-ramjet to start spooling up. SorryNotSorry ... "; and I swear this oppressive monster I'd lived with for so long just looked a little sheepish and small and stupid and then pissed off to the afterlife for anthropomorphised malicious malcognitions.

Furthermore, there's a difference between Hanners actually experiencing an episode of 'Brainlock' (https://www.amazon.de/Brain-Lock-Yourself-Obsessive-Compulsive-Behavior/dp/0060987111) and her friends trying to be sensitive about inadvertently contributing to her experiencing one (I hate the word 'triggering' - it suggests an entirely wrong picture about how OCD 'works'.)

Edit: As Welu points out below, OCD is a mental illness - it's not about following rules, it's about breaking them, or the system of rules breaking down. It's not a function, it's a dysfunction, a tiny error in one program's .dll that sometimes, when certain parameters coincide in just the 'right' way, causes the program to stop doing what it was supposed to do. It's rational to expect the program to follow rules, because it has a 'design-purpose' (Nope, this is not an argument for ID). It's not rational to expect the same from the subtle error in the program that causes the wet-ware equivalent of a BSOD - or to expect the BSOD itself to follow rules. Because that's what OCD is: A BSOD when there was no reason to BSOD. Trying to 'make sense' of your OCD is about as productive as discussing metaphysics with a warning light on your car's dashboard - which is part of what the four-steps method of CBH is about: To stop discussing with the warning light that shouldn't be going off, and to start realising that it's really just a false positive you're trying to haggle with.


(*) Guess we have to thank Howard Hughes for the cliche that OCD is always about germs - actually there's many people for whom it isn't and contamination/purity is merely one of at least ten meta-classes of intrusive thoughts (https://www.ocduk.org/types-ocd). Intrusive thoughts cover the entire range of the human cognitive spectrum (which is why I'm no fan of trigger-warnings for OCDers - unless you're prepared to cease interacting with us at all for our own good, it's not possible to avoid triggering one of us (especially not for a mind as wonderfully inexperienced with scary absurdities as yours - you have no idea how deep that rabbit hole goes, Alice ...). A strategy that would, incidentally, trigger a lot of us, and add to the social isolation the illness often breeds). OCD is about part of your brains' OS' task-manager, the caudate nucleus, going TILT! (http://www.ocdhope.com/2014/03/the-chemistry-of-obsession/), and it seems to be especially nervous about scary things. Illness is a scary thing - put another way: OCD has probably been around as long as there's been Homo Sapiens, but intrusive thoughts about germs likely do not predate Louis Pasteur ...

(**) I call the intrusive thoughts as a whole 'mechanism', because, in contrast to normal, organic thought-processes, they feel that way. Like an arcane mechanism that latches onto minute fears and excretes paralysis. There's no sense of origin, no purpose to what that machine does, and it doesn't really care which specific fear it turns into a debilitating monstrosity. The themes of intrusive thoughts can also change in sufferers - I've gone through at least two meta-classes of intrusive thoughts (https://www.ocduk.org/types-ocd) in my lifetime. The thoughts vary, even the themes that the thoughts revolve around can change over time, but the 'mechanism' doesn't. When I was younger, I felt like my OCD was always one step ahead of me because it seemed to be so astonishingly creative at finding ever new rationales for doubting again and again - especially doubting the debunk of an intrusive thought, and then the debunk about the intrusive thought about the debunk of the ... - but later on, I realized that every bit of 'creativity' was actually just my brain trying to make sense out of an absurd situation: OCD isn't even the mental equivalent of a virus (and virii are remarkably stupid things). OCD is, in essence, a faulty warning-light going off when your brain knows it shouldn't - that's what causes the fear, not the thought's content: the conflicting messages and your mind knowing that the conflict is happening at a very, very basic level of your cognitive architecture, something that it doesn't feel chill about at all.
 It's the postman obsessing about a missing stamp on the letter they reluctantly hand to you because they have to admit there's no reason not to on the one hand, but on the other "it's just that there has to be order ...". It's a relentlessly shouted "BUT WHAT IF ... ?" that doesn't even have enough processing power to come up with a specific "what if?" to freak out about - it's hardly even a proper thought to begin with, not even an emotion; it needs the rest of your brain to provide a narrative for the fear. It's merely a false positive that happens to happen in a sensitive department of your brain - false positives are rarely awarded Noble prizes for literature. After a while, you notice it's always the same steps, again and again and again - looking back, I think I might have noticed how mind-numbingly boring this illness is, had I not been so freaked out at the time.

OCD is, at it's core, the "and then?"-question from "Dude, where's my car?". Not the racially stereotyped drive-in, not even the (supposedly) immigrant labourer who asks the question - out of lack of ESL-skills or just for the hell of it - it's just the question "and then?". That's all it ever does, regardless of circumstances or what you do in response; that's all it 'knows' how to do. It's a processing error, not a function. 'Knowing how to' do things is not something it excels at. It would be pitiful or aggravating rather than fearsome ... if it weren't for the fact that you can't simply flee the drive-in in horror and rage because it's in your head, 24/7/365 ...

Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Absimilliard on 03 Jan 2018, 06:50
That's a pretty good ending to the story arch (and far far better than many of us feared). While I disliked the guest character, I did like Hanner's development, it will be interesting to see how this will affect her going forward.


Ahhh.....

(https://media.giphy.com/media/xT5LMVuasYhETDlxkY/giphy.gif)

Agreed.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Bad Superman on 03 Jan 2018, 06:52
This story arc is taking forever. Climb in that rocket already, Dummy! Chop chop!

That excruciating slow pace is really starting to trample on my nerves...

Might I suggest a few comics to binge on in the meantime?

[snip]

I'm sorry, but isn't that just a more polite form of exactly what mercykills meant with

[...] people should be free to express their dislike of a character for as long as that character is central to the current plot line without getting shut down with "well, you're being negative, so, shut up!" responses.

?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: tomveil on 03 Jan 2018, 06:59

Ahhh.....

(https://media.giphy.com/media/xT5LMVuasYhETDlxkY/giphy.gif)

Tilly reminds me a bit more of this Simpsons clip:
(http://i.imgur.com/Q8rNJUO.jpg)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: shanejayell on 03 Jan 2018, 07:03
Awww.

Now I'm hoping there's no plot twist like Tilly phoning their dad and/or Bea and going "Just as planned...."
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: lawoot on 03 Jan 2018, 07:08
After all this Tilly hugging, Hanners better be hugging Marten and Company soon!  :-D
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: jwhouk on 03 Jan 2018, 07:35
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Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Shjade on 03 Jan 2018, 08:06
This story arc is taking forever. Climb in that rocket already, Dummy! Chop chop!

That excruciating slow pace is really starting to trample on my nerves...

Might I suggest a few comics to binge on in the meantime?

[snip]

I'm sorry, but isn't that just a more polite form of exactly what mercykills meant with

[...] people should be free to express their dislike of a character for as long as that character is central to the current plot line without getting shut down with "well, you're being negative, so, shut up!" responses.

?

...no?

That post didn't try to shut anyone down. They were trying to help.

"You're bored because you don't have enough to read? Here are some things you might enjoy in the meantime!" is in no way "You're being negative, stop posting about it."

Seriously, wtf.

Regarding comic: I think it's the hair, Hanners has been inordinately okay with personal contact since putting the hair up. It is the Style of Overcoming Obstacles. Tremble before its power.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: pwhodges on 03 Jan 2018, 08:27
Global Moderator Comment I think the discussion about the discussion of a character who is (it seems) leaving has gone on for quite long enough. Please just let it go now; nothing new has been said for a while.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: LilShortstuf on 03 Jan 2018, 08:36
Does anyone else find the amount of physical affection coming from Hanners sort of jarring? I mean there's heat of the moment, there's character progression, but I just find it odd we've seen so much of a jump to hugging Tilly 3 times in about as many strips.

Like I understand Tilly is the super special author fave right now, but when hugging her dad was such a big deal, and the closest thing from one of her oldest friends was this (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3534) only ~100 strips ago, I have to raise my eyebrows.

And,

(click to show/hide)

After all this Tilly hugging, Hanners better be hugging Marten and Company soon!  :-D

I recently been rereading the entire comic via use of the random link and I believe the first time Hannelore hugs someone is Marten right after she gets a job at CoD in this comic (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1709)

The next hug, I believe, is given to her dad about 400 strips later here (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2146)

So I think her hugging of Tilly isn't just because they seem to be Jeph's favorite right now. I think the hugs at ECI are heat of the moment emotional hugs. This one truly is because, in my opinion, while Hannelore finds Tilly to be a bit much and overeager, she does care about them as a human and wants them to be treated as one which Beatrice didn't do. As for why Claire and Marten didn't hug her when she was having her freak out and instead used the throw pillows, I think that is because she was already freaking out and hugging wouldn't have helped the situation. I think Hannelore is at a point where she is OK with hugging people she cares about but needs to be in a calm state of mind to do it and needs to be the initiator.

EDIT: This is my first real experience using gender neutral pronouns, and I tried my best. Please let me know if I messed up so I can fix it.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Welu on 03 Jan 2018, 08:51
You did good with the pronouns.

Hannelore also hugged Sven after their pretend-date. (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1769)

It's important to remember progress with mental health isn't linear. Being able to hug someone in one circumstance doesn't mean Hannelore can hug everyone without issue from now on, or she should or will be okay with a certain circumstance based on previous moments. She's come very far but unfortunately mental illness is very messy and complicated.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: JoeCovenant on 03 Jan 2018, 09:16

Ahhh.....

(https://media.giphy.com/media/xT5LMVuasYhETDlxkY/giphy.gif)

Tilly reminds me a bit more of this Simpsons clip:
(http://i.imgur.com/Q8rNJUO.jpg)

Yeeahhh...
I didn't wanna tempt fate* though.

*Jeph
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: OldGoat on 03 Jan 2018, 09:36
Awww.

Now I'm hoping there's no plot twist like Tilly phoning their dad and/or Bea and going "Just as planned...."
Could be, could very well be, or some variation thereof.  There's been no mention of Tilly's security clearance - that suggests Captain* Potter will come back into the picture and there's no telling what she'll uncover.  The story may be going back into orbit.

(https://www.qmuniforms.com/photos/styles/qm/full/S02-114.jpg)


*She must have been promoted by now.  That or she was passed over too many times and has been transferred back to the surface.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Bad Superman on 03 Jan 2018, 09:55
Could be, could very well be, or some variation thereof.  There's been no mention of Tilly's security clearance - that suggests Captain* Potter will come back into the picture and there's no telling what she'll uncover.  The story may be going back into orbit.

I kid you not, my first thought was: 'What does Harry Potter have do to with anything??!'
Then I read the sentence again and went: 'Oh...  :facepalm: '
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: mercykills on 03 Jan 2018, 11:04

Ahhh.....

(https://media.giphy.com/media/xT5LMVuasYhETDlxkY/giphy.gif)

Tilly reminds me a bit more of this Simpsons clip:
(http://i.imgur.com/Q8rNJUO.jpg)

The shuttle imploded. The plot device is gone. Wipe it from your collective memories and let's get back to that sweet, sweet Faye and Bubbles shipping.

Or that...BAYE shipping - HA! The crack ship, fan fiction writes itself!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Morituri on 03 Jan 2018, 11:51
I'm still giggling at the idea of Tilly as personal assistant to Tortura, in cyberpunk corporate espionage thrillers. 

But I guess that's just me. 
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Mr. Doctor on 03 Jan 2018, 13:18
Awww.
Now I'm hoping there's no plot twist like Tilly phoning their dad and/or Bea and going "Just as planned...."

Such a "plot twist" would seriously piss me off and make me laugh at the same time.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: SinusPi on 03 Jan 2018, 14:24
For what it's worth, the Tilly arc has achieved its (probably) intended outcome: Hanners' hug zone is no longer null. I find it a tiny bit pushed, myself, with the goodbye, though. The "fluids" hug was more than enough, given Hanners' SEVERE personal space restrictions so far.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 03 Jan 2018, 15:05
@SinusPi, welcome. Hanners doesn't have severe restrictions towards her personal space, her mental illness does. Remember, Hanners is one of the most loving people in the cast, but because of her illness, its difficult for her to show the affection that others can. This is a major thing for her.

With regards to the comments, have people really moved onto wishing Tilly gets McLeaned? (look it up)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: jwhouk on 03 Jan 2018, 16:02
You might do better to say "Colonel Blake'd," but I understand it now.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Bollthorn on 03 Jan 2018, 16:14
That last panel made me feel all warm and fuzzy inside ^_^
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: mercykills on 03 Jan 2018, 16:28
For what it's worth, the Tilly arc has achieved its (probably) intended outcome: Hanners' hug zone is no longer null. I find it a tiny bit pushed, myself, with the goodbye, though. The "fluids" hug was more than enough, given Hanners' SEVERE personal space restrictions so far.

Agreed. The first time, hey, ok, extreme emotional situations can make us do things we normally wouldn't or couldn't do. But this second one? ehhhh...seems like a way to force an emotional response from the readers and to ingratiate a certain someone with the rest of us. But whatever, this is one of the very few times the comic has shattered my suspension of disbelief and I'll consider my entire argument moot if the hug zone with her actual friends is, actually, no more.

O and, welcome.  :laugh:
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Thrudd on 03 Jan 2018, 17:05
That last panel made me feel all warm and fuzzy inside ^_^
But is that a good thing?
My warm and fuzzies is usually due to fever - I really hope you are not coming down with the flu.  :roll:
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: A small perverse otter on 03 Jan 2018, 18:44
You know, I wonder if Jeph had a slightly more subtle story to tell here than people have noticed.

This whole arc has been about Hannelore's boundaries: first being willing to establish them by challenging Tillie, something which is very hard for her, and then being able to break through them to actually touch someone.  Twice.

So this thread was abot Tillie, yes, but it was just as much about how they showed us that Hannelore had changed.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Case on 03 Jan 2018, 18:46
It's important to remember progress with mental health isn't linear. Being able to hug someone in one circumstance doesn't mean Hannelore can hug everyone without issue from now on, or she should or will be okay with a certain circumstance based on previous moments. She's come very far but unfortunately mental illness is very messy and complicated.

This is absolutely congruent with my personal experience of OCD and the respective healing process.

For what it's worth, the Tilly arc has achieved its (probably) intended outcome: Hanners' hug zone is no longer null. I find it a tiny bit pushed, myself, with the goodbye, though. The "fluids" hug was more than enough, given Hanners' SEVERE personal space restrictions so far.

Agreed. The first time, hey, ok, extreme emotional situations can make us do things we normally wouldn't or couldn't do. But this second one? ehhhh...seems like a way to force an emotional response from the readers and to ingratiate a certain someone with the rest of us.

The implicit assumption behind this conclusion is not at all congruent with my personal experience with OCD, or the respective healing process.

And it's profoundly at odds with the explicit advice given to me by experienced mental-health professionals when I expressed a similarly ill-conceived notion of what recovery from OCD has to look like - more specifically: Temporary periods of stagnation-, or even regression after making progress are so common that my therapists sternly warned me against the misconception, and being upset about my real mind's failure to conform with some ill-conceived prejudice informed largely by my impatience "to be done with that shit, already".

If you've experienced OCD yourself, and your experience differs from mine - being different doesn't take away from either of our experiences. Raising one to the level of universal truth very much would.

TL;DR - In my personal experience, the firm expectation that having made progress once or twice implies that the progress must be permanent henceforth is not only about as 'rational' as trying to have a discussion with your PC's BSOD - the notion behind it can be actually harmful to the afflicted. OCD is a dysfunction, not a function - it has neither a purpose, nor does it have to follow rules to achieve one, in fact, it never followed any rules to begin with. OCD doesn't 'do' rules, or logic. The nearest approximation it does are 'tropes' - and those are merely the broad generalizations about topical similarities of intrusive thoughts that many afflicted experience.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 03 Jan 2018, 18:55
So 'one step backward' does not mean failure --- or rule out the possibility of another 'two steps forward'.
Thank you!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Case on 03 Jan 2018, 19:08
So 'one step backward' does not mean failure --- or rule out the possibility of another 'two steps forward'.
Thank you!

Why do we fall, Master Wayne? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LstIgtkEe50)

Brought tears to my eyes when I first saw that one.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: mercykills on 03 Jan 2018, 19:34
If you've experienced OCD yourself, and your experience differs from mine - being different doesn't take away from either of our experiences. Raising one to the level of universal truth very much would.

Agreed.* Of course, in reality there are NO set rules for when or, even, IF someone gets cured of their mental illness(es). Or what steps or timeline such a journey will take. And I would hope that my speaking on this fictional universe and its fictional characters wouldn't lead someone to believe I think the same applies in reality.

So, yea, I'm only speaking on the QC universe(and whatever guidelines it seems to be(or was) following on the subject matter) and I'm saying that it seems quite..."miraculous" that the moment Hanners showed that she's ok with multiple instances of physical contact with another person, it was with the divisive character that she's known all of two days. 

*Severe Anxiety/Moderate OCD(just trying to give an idea here, no real scale exists, that I know of) sufferer here, by the way.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: JohnAdriaan on 03 Jan 2018, 20:12
(A day late, but...) I wonder what Tilly's Garn score* will be? 0.1 or 0.9?

* Senator Jake Garn https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_adaptation_syndrome#History (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_adaptation_syndrome#History)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Gyrre on 03 Jan 2018, 21:20
Yes, I can recommend an outstanding organisation. They were "Law Firm of the Year" in Antitrust Law just last year.

Jackson, Monk, and Rowe.
An Ellicott-Chatham Enterprises Company.
Ah, the Comcast solution.

They bought tumblr, one of the most vocal supporters of Net Neutrality.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: traroth on 04 Jan 2018, 01:48
New comic's up

That was unexpected... I thought Hanners would be craving support from her friends.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: BenRG on 04 Jan 2018, 01:49
Wait... what...? Is this some kind of prank? No, I don't think so; Jeph would have mentioned that in his Twitter feed by now... so..

He's freakin' WRITING HANNERS AND WINSLOW OUT OF THE STRIP!  :-o :cry: Who knows for how long because it looks like Jeph doesn't know that yet!

Wow! Major stuff happening here and I think that this will be a bit of a fandom breaker for some too!

In narrative terms it certainly makes sense; I can see Hannelore being afraid of her own anger and not want to inflict it on her friends but I don't think that this is the right way for her to handle it. Additionally, I am sure that a lot of people will be enormously unhappy and will probably spend most of the day shouting at him (electronically at least) on the subject!

Just another thought: A character running away to parts unknown to get a handle on their personal anger due to family issues...? There is a taste of Batman Begins about this plot device. Will Hannelore come back as a crusading superheroine? :wink:
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: hakko504 on 04 Jan 2018, 01:50
Comic's up!

I felt the shockwaves all over here in Sweden. That must be a huge crater!

Seriously, I did NOT see that coming.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Cornelius on 04 Jan 2018, 02:02
That definitely was unexpected.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Near Lurker on 04 Jan 2018, 02:06
...is that Faye with the glasses up top?  Because she's not added, but that's not her avatar down below... (I didn't even know Twitter had group chat).

And, um, Faye's coming off... wellll...
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: JoeCovenant on 04 Jan 2018, 02:12
....

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElYk-M2hao0)

 :cry:
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Dr. ROFLPWN on 04 Jan 2018, 02:15
“gosh guys my mom is such a horrifying rich nightmare person!!!! she thinks she can just use people and that their environments and their feelings aren’t important compared to her needs!!!!!!

time to go travel the world as a rich white tourist and ~*find myself*~”

(Bye. have a beautiful time. don’t come back.)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Timemaster on 04 Jan 2018, 02:28
@ Dr. ROFLPWN:
Good idea. Don‘t come back.   :x

My soundtrack to this strip: Lorde -Melodrama

TM
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: pwhodges on 04 Jan 2018, 02:55
He's freakin' WRITING HANNERS AND WINSLOW OUT OF THE STRIP!

No he's not - he's sending Hanners for a break - which is not the same - and naturally she's taking Winslow with her.  It's not comparable with, say, Angus, who left to go to a permanent job elsewhere.  That's not to say that she might not be gone for some time (which could be a year or two for us).  Is that any worse than just leaving some characters on the back burner because he's concentrating on others?  I think it's better because it provides a rationale.

Quote
I think that this will be a bit of a fandom breaker for some too!

Only for those who like to drive the drama themselves.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Cornelius on 04 Jan 2018, 02:57
On the other hand, now we can speculate on the adventures of Hanners abroad.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: BenRG on 04 Jan 2018, 03:18
Is that any worse than just leaving some characters on the back burner because he's concentrating on others?  I think it's better because it provides a rationale.

It's certainly an apples-to-oranges comparison. He's actually specified that there is a new character arc starting for Hannelore and then announcing that it is going to be either off-screen or postponed for months or years IRL.

FWIW, I have also stated in my previous post that I regard the rationale as something Hannelore will regret in time. Personally, I don't think that Hannelore will be able to get the answers she needs away from her friends. Fear of her own dark side (of which she has been terrified for her entire time in the strip) is driving her away right now, not any clear-minded plan going forwards.

Not sure how to react to the new strip, except: 'curcimstances'? Does Dora's phone not have autocomplete?

She's probably disabled it like many millions of other frustrated users have done! :-P
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Squiddlywinx on 04 Jan 2018, 03:20
“gosh guys my mom is such a horrifying rich nightmare person!!!! she thinks she can just use people and that their environments and their feelings aren’t important compared to her needs!!!!!!

time to go travel the world as a rich white tourist and ~*find myself*~”

(Bye. have a beautiful time. don’t come back.)

Wth?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Akima on 04 Jan 2018, 03:58
Comic's up!
I felt the shockwaves all over here in Sweden. That must be a huge crater!
Seriously, I did NOT see that coming.
I had some weird caching glitch, so I saw the previous day's strip (and thought that Hanners had been taking style tips from Spookybot), and then came here to read the comments, and was totally discombobulated until I refreshed the strip. That was unexpected, since I'd thought Hanners was as much a Jeph-favourite as a fan-favourite.

Is that any worse than just leaving some characters on the back burner because he's concentrating on others?  I think it's better because it provides a rationale.
I agree. It's definitely better than just having Hanners constantly off-camera, like Penelope, for example.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Squiddlywinx on 04 Jan 2018, 03:58
So, details.
There're Faye and four others in the group chat. Marten isn't in the head but Tai is. Claire has a profile pic up top but not in the conversation.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: blt on 04 Jan 2018, 04:19
Claire shouldn't have a profile head up top, because Hanners adds her further down in the chat, like Marten.  As to who the grey head is... ??
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: BenRG on 04 Jan 2018, 04:20
I believe that the members of the group in the header are, from left to right, Hannelore, Tai, Claire (or possibly Penny) and Dora.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: pwhodges on 04 Jan 2018, 04:23
There're Faye and four others in the group chat. Marten isn't in the head but Tai is. Claire has a profile pic up top but not in the conversation.

We are reading Faye's Skype (she's just been added), hence her blue bubbles at the bottom.  Claire is in the conversation, but without her profile pic.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: zzyzx on 04 Jan 2018, 04:27
You want a character in this arc written out? Fine I'll show you! They're all gone mwah hah hah!

OK probably not the inspiration but that amuses me.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: snufflebottoms on 04 Jan 2018, 04:27
This doesn't necessarily mean she's out of the strip - her and winslow traveling could be an arc later.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: hakko504 on 04 Jan 2018, 04:46
This doesn't necessarily mean she's out of the strip - her and winslow traveling could be an arc later.
While I very much hope so, without a specified return date in/out of strip, she's been put on a bus indefinitely for now. My guess is that it will be at least a year IRL before Jeph even considers bringing her back. I think this is another step in showing us readers how much this strip has changed over the last years. Marten is in a happy relation with Claire, Dora is living with Tai, Hannelore is out of the strip (for now), Faye is working on robot repair in her own workshop, Pintsize has been reduced to a minimum of appearances. Quite a long way from the original premises where Marten was an indie boy longing for a girlfriend, living together with Faye, and Dora was just the owner of the Café where Faye worked. Removing Hannelore will no doubt give more focus to the newer characters and their interactions. We'll just have to wait and see where Jeph takes us. I would be happy too see the penny that Claire put on Faye's head drop sometime, but I'm equally interested in seeing the future of Clinton's dating life.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: mercykills on 04 Jan 2018, 04:50
O. O, Fuck.   :-\

...is that Faye with the glasses up top?  Because she's not added, but that's not her avatar down below... (I didn't even know Twitter had group chat).

And, um, Faye's coming off... wellll...

If you're talking the second-left avatar up top. That looks like Tai.

“gosh guys my mom is such a horrifying rich nightmare person!!!! she thinks she can just use people and that their environments and their feelings aren’t important compared to her needs!!!!!!

time to go travel the world as a rich white tourist and ~*find myself*~”

(Bye. have a beautiful time. don’t come back.)

You....you can't POSSIBLY believe that's what Hannelore is doing here or that that's what Jeph is implying. This is a joke right?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: BenRG on 04 Jan 2018, 04:58
“gosh guys my mom is such a horrifying rich nightmare person!!!! she thinks she can just use people and that their environments and their feelings aren’t important compared to her needs!!!!!!

time to go travel the world as a rich white tourist and ~*find myself*~”

(Bye. have a beautiful time. don’t come back.)

You....you can't POSSIBLY believe that's what Hannelore is doing here or that that's what Jeph is implying. This is a joke right?

Check their posting history; they've a recent pattern of Hanners-hating.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Technoir on 04 Jan 2018, 05:05
Ugh! The Dora usage of "bby" and "bb" is just grating on the senses.   Just didn't feel like something Dora would say AT ALL.

I wonder if writing Hannelore is more taxing than the other members of the cast.  She has a lot of issues, more complexitiy (IMO), etc. Maybe it's Jeph that needs the break from Hanners' story....

Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: oeoek on 04 Jan 2018, 05:11
This doesn't necessarily mean she's out of the strip - her and winslow traveling could be an arc later.

I can see a trickle of Hanners messages and postcards keeping our main cast up to speed, possible in growing weirdness, until a full out 'lets go get Hanners back' mission is undertaken by several friends. Enter Bubbles in 'no one left behind mode'.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: DaiJB on 04 Jan 2018, 05:23
Wow - That is both extremely unexpected AND a reasonable course of action for Hannelore.

Well played Mr. Jacques.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: brasca on 04 Jan 2018, 05:31
Just when it seemed like everything would be going back to normal. 

I feel a mixture of excitement for Hannelore's character growth, sadness to see her go away for awhile, and schadenfreud after all the jubilation over Tilly's departure yesterday. 

Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: traroth on 04 Jan 2018, 06:11
Claire shouldn't have a profile head up top, because Hanners adds her further down in the chat, like Marten.  As to who the grey head is... ??

Sven, I would say...
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: mercykills on 04 Jan 2018, 06:24
“gosh guys my mom is such a horrifying rich nightmare person!!!! she thinks she can just use people and that their environments and their feelings aren’t important compared to her needs!!!!!!

time to go travel the world as a rich white tourist and ~*find myself*~”

(Bye. have a beautiful time. don’t come back.)

You....you can't POSSIBLY believe that's what Hannelore is doing here or that that's what Jeph is implying. This is a joke right?

Check their posting history; they've a recent pattern of Hanners-hating.

Sweet merciful sh*t. I should not have went down that rabbit hole. Pass the brain bleach, please.  :laugh:

<snip>and schadenfreud after all the jubilation over Tilly's departure yesterday. 

Hey, if Hanners going ghost for a good, long while is the price of cutting dead weight from the comic, it's most certainly more than a fair trade off. lol  :roll:

Now....Jeph, *rubs hands together* about that Baye ship!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Thrudd on 04 Jan 2018, 06:32
Poor Winslow. He was just starting out working at the center and finding his place in the physical world as something other than a PDA and becoming an independent entity. All those new relationships just starting and then just being yanked out by the roots. It is as if he had no say in the matter. I notice that he wasn't part of the message group. I wonder if there will be a similar page for him with his circle of friends.

Maybe it is the pessimist in me. Okay it is the pessimist in me.  I have this cloud of doom nagging me that I usually am able to ignore most of the time. This was all to get rid of a number of story branches that needed to be gotten rid of because Jeff didn't feel like going there and had no idea how to get himself out of the corner he wrote himself into. Also a petulant poke in the eye of the fans / anti-fans in the readership. How dare they not like my cute new character. I'll show them. But that is the doom cloud for you. Never a positive spin on anything.  :-\

The whole Tilly arc put me off and had me step away from the strip itself and just haunt the forums. The echos here were more than enough.
Not as bad as the forum meltdown way back, but that had me abandon the place for a long while.

I hope that Jeff can take a few steps back, breath deeply, relax, let it all go and then take a "reasonable" stock of where he and the story is and go from there.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: pwhodges on 04 Jan 2018, 07:09
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Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: jwhouk on 04 Jan 2018, 07:10
And here I thought the boards would implode again.

Well done, all.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: shanejayell on 04 Jan 2018, 07:18
Unexpected. Interesting tho.

I'm actually sorta sad we wont see more of Winslow at the community center. That looked interesting...
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: traroth on 04 Jan 2018, 08:04
Remember, we don't attack other posters - we counter their views if we disagree.  (If you feel more is required, contact the mods)

You're right. I removed my comment. It could have been seen that way.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: traroth on 04 Jan 2018, 08:05
Unexpected. Interesting tho.

I'm actually sorta sad we wont see more of Winslow at the community center. That looked interesting...

Yeah, that's a bit unfair. Winslow was starting to find his own thing, here. Hannelore is behaving like an owner, not like a friend.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: MrNumbers on 04 Jan 2018, 08:08
Okay so that thing I said about how Tilly was an annoying character but I was super pumped to see the Hannelore arc behind it?

Hannelores growth is... I scared myself so much with my (justified, positive growth showing) actions, I'm going to go find myself offscreen goodbye

Thats... I mean... That sucks man. That makes me feel bad in my heart.

It's so abrupt and badly telegraphed. Like, this payoff doesnt match the setup. You can argue that it's reasonable for the character but I'm not saying that; I'm saying this reads like an author flipping the table in frustration to me.

I really really hope it isn't
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Bad Superman on 04 Jan 2018, 08:13
Although it's sad to see Hannelore (and Winslow) go, giving her some time off seems to be the right decision at this point. In my opinion it's better this way, than having her suddenly fade into the comics background-limbo as other storylines emerge, with other characters in focus.

I'm fully aware that I was one of the people who heaped a lot of criticism on this story arc, but the way it closes leaves me no other choice than to say that I'm satisfied with how well things worked out in the end.

This was Hannelore's heroes journey and it has taken a lot out of her. We have seen her slaying one of her biggest and meanest personal dragons. But, this story, it seems, is over (for now), and the heroine, victorious but wounded, leaves the stage (for now)! It has to be this way. Things need to cool down, to heal, and now they can.

Of course her hardcore fans are even sadder to see their beloved Hannelore go away for an uncertain amount of time, but maybe think of it this way:
Imagine, if you will, you, browsing QC somewhere in the future. You're just lazily re-reading the last couple of strips, as you wait for comic to update.
Then it does.
And we see Hannelore return.
Will that not be a moment of pure joy?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 04 Jan 2018, 08:34
Hannelore, when you are in a crisis then breaking contact with your support structure is a big mistake.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: OldGoat on 04 Jan 2018, 09:37
Hannelore, when you are in a crisis then breaking contact with your support structure is a big mistake.
But, she's taking her most loyal (and recently anthropomorphised) friend with her.  Tilly is a loyal mercenary, but still a mercenary - loyalty out of duty to their job description.  Winslow's loyalty is out of pure friendship and even platonic love for Hanners.

I don't think Hanners needs physical proximity to be in contact with the rest of her supporters, either.  Indeed, in her case distance may still be insulation.

Comic-wise, it's a brilliant move.  Jeph can insert a message from Hannelore into the strip anytime he feels the need without a large time investment in artwork and still move the story along.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Morituri on 04 Jan 2018, 09:39
I doubt she's "breaking contact."  She is literally traveling with the guy who used to be her PDA.  I anticipate text message conversations, daily or several times a day, and Winslow's obsessive social-media plus blogging everything.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Timemaster on 04 Jan 2018, 09:48
@Bad Supes,
Thank you for this comment. It pretty much summs up how I think about the end of the arc and Hanners leave. (And so removes the need to write this myself.  :-D )

@traroth,
I see no hint that Hanners ordered Winslow to follow her. That would be completely out of character. I rather think that she asked him and he of cause followed her. Because he is her friend. And that's what friends do.

Claire doesn't have a profile picture. Why? Because maybe she didn't make one. Because all of this social media bullshit is too unimportant for her than to care for such a useless thing as a profile. All the people she writes with know how she looks. So why a picture?

I'd like to see Hanners and Winslow travel the world. It would certainly be interesting (and hilarious). Or maybe she'll start posting her whereabouts on Instagram or send pics to her friends. I'd love to see that.

I think Jeph put a lot of thought and heartblood in this arc and the new character Tilly. And I suppose he was kinda disappointed by the negative reactions Tilly created. Heck, I was too, I loved them! Best character invented for a long time, better even than Bubbles and Brun. But that's just me. And maybe Jeph.
Shooting Tilly to space and sending Hanners on her own  New Pilgrims' Progress (The Innocents Abroad) ended this arc rather abruptly. Maybe Jeph had planned things otherwise and now removes those characters to rethink them? Or all this went exactly as planned and maybe we're in for something completely new and amazing?
I don't know.
But we'll find out.
In my honest opinion Jeph cares too much for Hanners to simply write her out of the strip in such a clumsy way. No, this must be something bigger. Maybe not in the next few months in RL, but I'm sure, we'll hear and see her again.

And maybe Tilly too.  :laugh:
Hope springs eternal.

Timemaster
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Welu on 04 Jan 2018, 09:54
Wow, this was a gut punch. Partially because I've been in this situation a few times where a friend did something like this. It's scary to only be able to support from far away but feel like you can't actually be there to help, even if you're still in contact somehow but sometimes contact was cut. Partially because I would never have expected this from Hannelore, but it does makes sense to me now it's here.

Yeah. This one hurt.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: brasca on 04 Jan 2018, 11:02
Unexpected. Interesting tho.

I'm actually sorta sad we wont see more of Winslow at the community center. That looked interesting...

Yeah, that's a bit unfair. Winslow was starting to find his own thing, here. Hannelore is behaving like an owner, not like a friend.

How do you know?  Hannelore could’ve asked and if he said no then she’d find another alternative, but Winslow might want to travel and this is a chance in a lifetime. 
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: pwhodges on 04 Jan 2018, 11:16
I felt that way about Angus and I'm still worried that he may never return.

The difference is that getting a new job elsewhere is typically permanent, whereas going on a journey to "find yourself" or some such includes the likelihood of a return.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Cornelius on 04 Jan 2018, 11:18
Well,, there's one other example of a QC character leaving to find himself - and he did return, before he faded into the background.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: ChipNoir on 04 Jan 2018, 11:42
Figured its been long enough since the last time QC made me cry, which was whatevrt week where we find out Bubble's memories were ear ed forever.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 04 Jan 2018, 12:01
Hannelore, when you are in a crisis then breaking contact with your support structure is a big mistake.

I think though that Hanners is removing herself from a state of complacency. Part of that complacency has been her friends, yes she's grown since her post intro characterisation, but then she's always been a character in flux, largely due to her illness. But this arc has revealed that Hanners is more like her mother than she would like to think; she needs time to process that revelation and to come to terms with that. Sadly, at times like that, the worst thing you can do is be surrounded by friends, especially when none of them particularly challenge Hanners like they do with Dora or Faye.

And I think Hanners realises that. She needs introspection, away from the familiar. She needs to grow in response to that and I don't think that can happen with her friends around her. They've helped her immensely, but this last leg is something she needs to do herself.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: A Duck on 04 Jan 2018, 13:22
So, here's the thing: is Hanners actually gonna get some comic time off, or are we gonna get a timeskip ending with her return?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Shjade on 04 Jan 2018, 13:25
This sure seems like a whole lotta panic over nothing.

You guys realize Jeph is allowed to write in other settings, right? I mean, he just demonstrated he would if he felt like it with Hanners' trip to her mom's office.

So Hannelore being on a trip isn't the same thing as writing her out. Even if she stays on the road for a while we very well might get strips of Hannelore and Winslow abroad, and I don't see any indication from this strip that the plan is to have her disappear from their lives forever anyway.

The comic is not restricted to Coffee of Doom and its immediate surroundings.

Take a breath.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Timemaster on 04 Jan 2018, 13:48
But this arc has revealed that Hanners is more like her mother than she would like to think.

Would you like to explain that? I don's see any similarities between Hanners and her mom.

TM
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: A small perverse otter on 04 Jan 2018, 13:55
This doesn't necessarily mean she's out of the strip - her and winslow traveling could be an arc later.
I would be happy too see the penny that Claire put on Faye's head drop sometime.
I'm eagerly awaiting the point at which that hint Bubbles up to into Faye's consciousness.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: A small perverse otter on 04 Jan 2018, 14:04
But this arc has revealed that Hanners is more like her mother than she would like to think.

Would you like to explain that? I don's see any similarities between Hanners and her mom.

TM
I can't speak for the original poster, but I'd thought the same thing.

Hannelore walked into a room, took over, and told someone off, with absolutely no consideration for what they wanted. And then, just a few strips later, she walked into her mother's office and demanded that others *obey* her, again with no consideration of their persons.

Who is that like? Not Hannelore Ellicott-Chatham. Not John Ellicott-Chatham. Not Marten, not Dora, nor any of her other friends.

No, there's really only one person in the comic who acts that way: Beatrice Chatham.

Hanelore used to need to be tied to a bed to survive. Now she's just shown all the drive, self-possession, and willfulness of her mother.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: pwhodges on 04 Jan 2018, 14:06
Even if she stays on the road for a while we very well might get strips of Hannelore and Winslow abroad,

After all, we saw Wil on the road while he was away.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Akima on 04 Jan 2018, 15:36
"You break his heart, I find you. Feed you to peegs!"
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 04 Jan 2018, 15:37
But this arc has revealed that Hanners is more like her mother than she would like to think.

Would you like to explain that? I don's see any similarities between Hanners and her mom.

TM
I can't speak for the original poster, but I'd thought the same thing.

Hannelore walked into a room, took over, and told someone off, with absolutely no consideration for what they wanted. And then, just a few strips later, she walked into her mother's office and demanded that others *obey* her, again with no consideration of their persons.

Who is that like? Not Hannelore Ellicott-Chatham. Not John Ellicott-Chatham. Not Marten, not Dora, nor any of her other friends.

No, there's really only one person in the comic who acts that way: Beatrice Chatham.

Hanelore used to need to be tied to a bed to survive. Now she's just shown all the drive, self-possession, and willfulness of her mother.

Pretty much.

Hanners is one of the nicest characters in the comic, but there have been times that when she has been really pushed that Hanners becomes...quite (http://questionablecontent.net./view.php?comic=1108) forceful (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2682). I mean, getting to the point where she was so angry with Beatrice's actions that she shoved her and effectively disowned her own mother. That's enough to shake anyone to their core, that realisation that all their patience, they can get to a point where they do something like that.

And so, the Hanners World Tour.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: BillGuy on 04 Jan 2018, 16:05
On the chat-heads thing Claire has two twitter accounts (actual twitter https://twitter.com/hanneloreEC/following (https://twitter.com/hanneloreEC/following) ) The open account is the third head at the top of the chat. The avitar-less Claire is the locked account. I'm more surprised that she didn't include Marigold in her goodbye group as she had grown quite close to her in a relatively short time.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: dna_level_c on 04 Jan 2018, 16:34
Interesting that the claireaugustus2 account was created last month.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: brasca on 04 Jan 2018, 17:09
On the chat-heads thing Claire has two twitter accounts (actual twitter https://twitter.com/hanneloreEC/following (https://twitter.com/hanneloreEC/following) ) The open account is the third head at the top of the chat. The avitar-less Claire is the locked account. I'm more surprised that she didn't include Marigold in her goodbye group as she had grown quite close to her in a relatively short time.

I noticed that too, but it’s possible Marigold doesn’t have a Twitter account.  She was never big on social networking.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Akima on 04 Jan 2018, 17:17
I just did the poll. I was torn between the liberation of Bubbles, and Union Robotics, because essentially I regard them as parts of the same arc. I went for the former, but was pleased to see that Union Robotics was the second-most popular choice.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Shjade on 04 Jan 2018, 17:27
I'm a little surprised Claire moving in is so low.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 04 Jan 2018, 18:00
I remember tweets from Marigold years ago about how easy it is to repair a mil spec chassis, and about people catcalling when she went out.

Also asked Marten why guys don't get their balls wet when sitting on a toilet.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: A Duck on 04 Jan 2018, 19:35
Marigold's twitter was even acknowledged in-comic. She posted spoilers at some point and was trying to smooth it over with cat gifs.

(IIRC, that was a reference to something Jeph did by accident)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 04 Jan 2018, 19:46
Actually what I'm really worried about is something from Faye's contribution towards the end.

"Jack is a bitch"

Could she perhaps be talking about Jack Daniels?

Because the rest of the comments from Faye...feel very much like Drunk!Faye and I'm wondering if she's fallen off the wagon.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: cesium133 on 04 Jan 2018, 20:06
She's referring to the CEO of Twitter, whose first name is Jack. (I don't remember his last name.) He is a bitch.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 04 Jan 2018, 20:33
Well nevermind then.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: BillGuy on 04 Jan 2018, 21:06
On the chat-heads thing Claire has two twitter accounts (actual twitter https://twitter.com/hanneloreEC/following (https://twitter.com/hanneloreEC/following) ) The open account is the third head at the top of the chat. The avitar-less Claire is the locked account. I'm more surprised that she didn't include Marigold in her goodbye group as she had grown quite close to her in a relatively short time.

I noticed that too, but it’s possible Marigold doesn’t have a Twitter account.  She was never big on social networking.
If you actually followd the link and scroll throw all of Hannelore's follows you would notice she is following Marigold.

Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: ANeM on 04 Jan 2018, 21:21
Yeah, that's a bit unfair. Winslow was starting to find his own thing, here. Hannelore is behaving like an owner, not like a friend.

How do you know?  Hannelore could’ve asked and if he said no then she’d find another alternative, but Winslow might want to travel and this is a chance in a lifetime.

It also seems in keeping with his desire to try new things that his old chassis wouldn't have allowed. I can't imagine the giant-ipod-with-stubs chassis would be good for travelling.

It might have been nice to see him handle life on his own, and continue to help out with his volunteer work. Still, ultimately he wanted to use his new body to help people and right now the person who needs his help the most is Hanners. It is a big ask, but it definitely seems in character for him to agree.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Near Lurker on 04 Jan 2018, 23:52
We know absolutely nothing about her, but I can already say this girl is a better match for her than Li'l Sis.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: WoaLG on 05 Jan 2018, 00:05
Comic's Up

Now, does anybody have a spare lampshade (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LampshadeHanging)? Dora seems to have used hers.

(I apologize in advance for the TV Tropes link.)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: BenRG on 05 Jan 2018, 00:12
Wow! Jeph wasn't kidding when (back before Tilly's first appearance) he said he'd been going through his list of characters. How long has it been since we last saw Amanda? The answer? It was over 3,000 strips ago, when Faye helped her and her mother to come to terms with Amanda's sexuality, that's when!

This could be one of two things: This could be just a throw-away one-off joke about families and how they can throw out a life that's found its balance. However, it could also be the start of a longer Faye arc with Amanda returning the favour, helping Faye get over her indecision loop over certain things in her life. FWIW, the girl with her is probably her current girlfriend. From what I remember about her, I do get the impression that Amanda is a bit of a flake when it comes to relationships and commitment. However, I also remember that she is at least as quick-witted as Faye, so any interaction could quickly turn into a special invitation Olympic event: Smartassery Badminton.

I'm not sure who 'Sarah' is, but I think Jeph is referring to Sara, a short-term character in the first 100 strips who was Marten's potential love interest back then.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: traroth on 05 Jan 2018, 01:15
I missed Dora and Faye...
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: hakko504 on 05 Jan 2018, 02:16
Actually what I'm really worried about is something from Faye's contribution towards the end.

"Jack is a bitch"

Could she perhaps be talking about Jack Daniels?

Because the rest of the comments from Faye...feel very much like Drunk!Faye and I'm wondering if she's fallen off the wagon.
I was reading that as a take that to some guy whose name is pronounced Jeff Jack...
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Near Lurker on 05 Jan 2018, 02:19
@jack is the guy who runs Twitter.

Although I agree that she does sound a bit... convivial.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Tova on 05 Jan 2018, 02:28
Comic's Up

Now, does anybody have a spare lampshade (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LampshadeHanging)? Dora seems to have used hers.

(I apologize in advance for the TV Tropes link.)

It was indeed a lampshade, but she also kinda explained the joke (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DontExplainTheJoke)...
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Near Lurker on 05 Jan 2018, 03:37
Wow! Jeph wasn't kidding when (back before Tilly's first appearance) he said he'd been going through his list of characters. How long has it been since we last saw Amanda? The answer? It was over 3,000 strips ago, when Faye helped her and her mother to come to terms with Amanda's sexuality, that's when!

Here's the thing: the most recent appearance I can think of was over 3,000 strips ago, but Faye and her mother never broached the topic in that one - it was when Faye took a trip to Georgia after telling Marten about her father.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: JoeCovenant on 05 Jan 2018, 04:30

Nothing much to add to any discussion...

But I am now more convinced than ever that Jeph is tinkering with his art stylings..

'Brush' work looks much heavier in places and both Faye and Dora are looking off-model to recent strips.

(I know art evolves.. I mean, look at the first few strips! But this one seems to have suddenly crashed down into place!)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: shanejayell on 05 Jan 2018, 07:03
Ha! That was a good one.  :-D
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: daphne on 05 Jan 2018, 07:16
I'm sad to see Hannelore go  :-(. I wish Jeph brings her back at some point, I like her character!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Technoir on 05 Jan 2018, 07:27
This sure seems like a whole lotta panic over nothing.

You guys realize Jeph is allowed to write in other settings, right? I mean, he just demonstrated he would if he felt like it with Hanners' trip to her mom's office.

So Hannelore being on a trip isn't the same thing as writing her out. Even if she stays on the road for a while we very well might get strips of Hannelore and Winslow abroad, and I don't see any indication from this strip that the plan is to have her disappear from their lives forever anyway.

The comic is not restricted to Coffee of Doom and its immediate surroundings.

Take a breath.

And it's not like this strip takes place in the 1800's.  With the enhanced level of technology in QC-world, Hannelore will easily be able to check in and let her friends know how she's doing. I suspect that we'll hear from her occasionally (maybe in the form of the twitter group chat thing that announced her selfquest)....
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: BenRG on 05 Jan 2018, 07:38
Personally, I think it would be sweet and in-character for Hannelore's friends to decide that they don't want her to forget them. So, every now and then, one of them will send her a long text updating them on the latest events (e.g.: "So, Faye's little sister just 'dropped in' and you'll never guess what happened next!"). The strip will always end in the same way - a silent panel of a smiling (perhaps tearful) Hanners reading her 'phone screen with a different background every time like Angor Wat, Oxford, Machu Piccu, Nazca, El Dorado, K'un-Lun, etc. Maybe for laughs, in the background Winslow running away from the local headhunter tribe (location-specific every time).

Or maybe: "I wonder what Hanners is doing right now?" Cut to her in a yoga position atop a 10-foot high pole, having a cup of tea with a monkey dressed as a sage or sword-fighting with a half-dozen ninja.

Or, for maximum freak-out, an anonymous figure in black standing on the roof of a skyscraper in the same city as ECE's headquarters with the following text in yellow narration boxes: "Dog carcass in alley this morning, tire tread on burst stomach. This city is afraid of me. I have seen it's true face. The streets are extended gutters and the gutters are full of blood and when the drains finally scab over, all the vermin will drown. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!'...

"...and I'll look down, and whisper 'No.'"

Last panel you see it is Hanners wearing a black hood and a domino mask, reflected in Beatrice's office windows.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: A Duck on 05 Jan 2018, 07:53
Interesting. Jeph went from having a new character in an arc where people were complaining about not seeing old characters and not developing currently active characters to pulling probably the biggest development in a long time (with Hanners) and then jumping to a character that hasn't been properly seen in YEARS.

Trust the Jeph, people. He knows what he's doing.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: TinPenguin on 05 Jan 2018, 08:19
Jephzibah is certainly moving in mysterious ways...
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: JimC on 05 Jan 2018, 08:56
"how many times can I ask for free drinks before it gets weird"

The answer is never. Over here at least. If a business chooses to let you have free drinks, then that's very nice, but expecting it, let along asking is appalling manners.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: jwhouk on 05 Jan 2018, 10:38
Of COURSE.

It makes SENSE now.

See, Hanners can't play her role right now in QC, because her character-actor has another gig - and it's gonna take up a LOT of her time for the next three to four years.

Of course, I'm talking about...

(http://cimg.tvgcdn.net/i/2017/07/16/2aa206ba-b679-47f4-87d3-51eb6b9d467b/doctorwho-news.png)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Jedit on 05 Jan 2018, 11:01
Wow! Jeph wasn't kidding when (back before Tilly's first appearance) he said he'd been going through his list of characters. How long has it been since we last saw Amanda? The answer? It was over 3,000 strips ago, when Faye helped her and her mother to come to terms with Amanda's sexuality, that's when!

I was going to say ... no, no I don't remember Faye's sister.  I've had to come in here for the first time in years to ask.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 05 Jan 2018, 11:12
I think a delivery of creativity that was meant to supply everyone in an entire village all got installed in BenRG.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Morituri on 05 Jan 2018, 11:19
I think a delivery of creativity that was meant to supply everyone in an entire village all got installed in BenRG.

BenRG was riffing on a shipment of creativity that was delivered a few years past to Alan Moore - who does indeed snort village-sized doses of the pure uncut stuff on a regular basis.  With, so far, only moderate side effects...

Incidentally, you should read "Watchmen".  It is extraordinarily good.

Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Morituri on 05 Jan 2018, 11:37
See, Hanners can't play her role right now in QC, because her character-actor has another gig - and it's gonna take up a LOT of her time for the next three to four years.

Hm.  Probably because I don't do TV anymore, but I don't recognize that actress. 

I had not really envisioned Hannelore as looking like that though.  I'd pictured her as being more - well, haunted-looking, jittery, unhealthily thin, and completely unable to use makeup due to OCD "AAAGH THERE'S SOMETHING STICKING TO MY SKIN" reactions.  This actress isn't unhealthily bony, she has a face that looks like it's accustomed to smiling, her makeup is perfect, and the skin around her eyes shows no signs of stress or missed sleep. 

Even given green contacts for the role and a very different makeup job, I don't think she could look the way I imagine Hannelore.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Zebediah on 05 Jan 2018, 11:44
She's also from Yorkshire, so the accent's all wrong for Hannelore.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Mr_Rose on 05 Jan 2018, 11:50
You watch guys, Hannelore is going to come back as a waterbender.

Then one day, after another ‘date’ with Sven, she will reveal the horrifying truth:
(click to show/hide)

As for today’s strip, is that possibly Amanda’s girlfriend behind her?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: WareWolf on 05 Jan 2018, 14:21
On the other hand, now we can speculate on the adventures of Hanners abroad.

It's entirely possible we won't need to speculate, because there may be some story arcs about her and Winslow. Has Jeph said he's writing her out?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: WareWolf on 05 Jan 2018, 14:25
Unexpected. Interesting tho.

I'm actually sorta sad we wont see more of Winslow at the community center. That looked interesting...

Yeah, that's a bit unfair. Winslow was starting to find his own thing, here. Hannelore is behaving like an owner, not like a friend.

How do you know?  Hannelore could’ve asked and if he said no then she’d find another alternative, but Winslow might want to travel and this is a chance in a lifetime.

Or Winslow may have volunteered without being asked. He loves Hanners, too.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 05 Jan 2018, 14:43
Riding out of nowhere to right wrongs. Sara and her allosaurus. I am tempted to commit fanfic.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: SmilingCat on 05 Jan 2018, 16:36
As for today’s strip, is that possibly Amanda’s girlfriend behind her?

Maybe her fiancée. Maybe we're getting a storyline about Amanda's wedding and Faye overcoming deeply ingrained prejudices she didn't even know she had.

By which I mean Amanda's Fiancée is from Maine, and Faye can't handle her sister marrying someone from the godless north.  :-P
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Bollthorn on 05 Jan 2018, 16:59
NOOOOOO kitten Hanners!! ;____; Please don't keep her and sweet lil' Winslow away for too long!!

... Also Hanners is from Yorkshire? When did that happen? :o
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: shanejayell on 05 Jan 2018, 17:38
BenRG, you totally need to fanfic Questionable Watchmen.  :laugh: :-D
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: jwhouk on 05 Jan 2018, 18:08
Hm.  Probably because I don't do TV anymore, but I don't recognize that actress. 

Hint: Blue box, wanders the universe, sometimes brandishes a beeping stick called a "sonic screwdriver"?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: DaiJB on 05 Jan 2018, 18:39
On the other hand, now we can speculate on the adventures of Hanners abroad.

Not going to speculate about any scenario specifically, but I can see a number of categories into which Hanners' adventures may fit:

1) We get a series of amusing vignettes of Hannelore's misadventures, kind of like Wil and his road-trip;

2) We see occasional updates, like Raven's college exploits or unexpected one-off re-appearance at Coffee of Doom;

3) Hannelore goes into an extended hiatus - we know she exists, but she's gone off to live another life - "that character who used to be in QC", like Angus;

4) The allosaurus gets another meal  :-D
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 05 Jan 2018, 18:49
NOOOOOO kitten Hanners!! ;____; Please don't keep her and sweet lil' Winslow away for too long!!

... Also Hanners is from Yorkshire? When did that happen? :o

Hanners isn't from Yorkshire.

They were referring to the fact that the actress taking over the role of the Doctor in Doctor Who is from West Yorkshire.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Morituri on 05 Jan 2018, 20:41
Ah.  Is that what the Umpth incarnation of Doctor Who looks like?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 05 Jan 2018, 20:43
Hm.  Probably because I don't do TV anymore, but I don't recognize that actress. 

Hint: Blue box, wanders the universe, sometimes brandishes a beeping stick called a "sonic screwdriver"?

She's Mary Poppins, y'all!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 05 Jan 2018, 20:52
And River Song is Ms. Frizzle.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Penquin47 on 05 Jan 2018, 22:19
Hi Amanda!

So... Faye/Bubbles has been a thing that has been teased/speculated about, and we're having a surprise return visit by Faye's lesbian sister... might we be seeing Faye become aware of Bubbles' more-complicated-than-just-friendship feelings for her and doing some soul-searching with the help of her sister who's been through questioning her sexuality?  Even if Faye/Bubbles doesn't end up being canon at the end of it, for whatever reason (Faye isn't attracted to women in general, or robots in general, or Bubbles in specific, or Bubbles's feelings, while more than just friendship, aren't actually romantic or sexual in nature, or both, or something else entirely), it would be an interesting story and I can see Jeph wanting to tell it.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Delator on 05 Jan 2018, 23:20
lol...Faye's face in that last panel.

Reminds me a little bit of Yelling Bird.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Gyrre on 06 Jan 2018, 04:32
Nice lampshade, Dora.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Gyrre on 06 Jan 2018, 07:08
See, Hanners can't play her role right now in QC, because her character-actor has another gig - and it's gonna take up a LOT of her time for the next three to four years.

Hm.  Probably because I don't do TV anymore, but I don't recognize that actress. 

I had not really envisioned Hannelore as looking like that though.  I'd pictured her as being more - well, haunted-looking, jittery, unhealthily thin, and completely unable to use makeup due to OCD "AAAGH THERE'S SOMETHING STICKING TO MY SKIN" reactions.  This actress isn't unhealthily bony, she has a face that looks like it's accustomed to smiling, her makeup is perfect, and the skin around her eyes shows no signs of stress or missed sleep. 

Even given green contacts for the role and a very different makeup job, I don't think she could look the way I imagine Hannelore.
Fun fact; some folks get frown lines instead of smile lines.
(Trust me, I've got them.)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: cesium133 on 06 Jan 2018, 07:18
Hi Amanda!

So... Faye/Bubbles has been a thing that has been teased/speculated about, and we're having a surprise return visit by Faye's lesbian sister... might we be seeing Faye become aware of Bubbles' more-complicated-than-just-friendship feelings for her and doing some soul-searching with the help of her sister who's been through questioning her sexuality?  Even if Faye/Bubbles doesn't end up being canon at the end of it, for whatever reason (Faye isn't attracted to women in general, or robots in general, or Bubbles in specific, or Bubbles's feelings, while more than just friendship, aren't actually romantic or sexual in nature, or both, or something else entirely), it would be an interesting story and I can see Jeph wanting to tell it.
Amanda would be just tactless enough to blurt out "When's the wedding" in reaction to seeing Faye and Bubbles interact, forcing them to stop avoiding the topic. It's perfect.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Storel on 06 Jan 2018, 16:28
I'm surprised that Amanda is still doing that two-toned hair. Wouldn't she have gotten tired of that style ages ago?

Then again, Jeph may have been afraid no one would recognize her if she didn't have it.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Gyrre on 06 Jan 2018, 23:12
I'm surprised that Amanda is still doing that two-toned hair. Wouldn't she have gotten tired of that style ages ago?

Then again, Jeph may have been afraid no one would recognize her if she didn't have it.
Some folks just stick with what they like.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: RMc on 07 Jan 2018, 05:18
Last time on QC:

1) Hannelore accosts her supposed master-of-the-Universe mother and...suffers absolutely no consequences whatsoever, because if she did, fan girls would burn down the internet and boycott Deathmole merchandise.
2) Finally realizing that Tilly is about as popular as a rat in a dark elevator, Jeph puts the poor lad/lass on a bus, er, spaceship. Good riddance.
3) And Jeph, desperate for something, *anything* to make readers forget one of the most unreedeemably awful storylines in QC history, drags out the old TV sitcom warhorse "long lost sibling of main character suddenly shows up, wacky hijinks ensue". Geez, what's next? Gilligan ruins their chances of getting off the island?

Next time on QC: Incest robot threeway! (Or more boring dialogue, your choice.)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 07 Jan 2018, 06:53
Last time on QC:

1) Hannelore accosts her supposed master-of-the-Universe mother and...suffers absolutely no consequences whatsoever, because if she did, fan girls would burn down the internet and boycott Deathmole merchandise.
2) Finally realizing that Tilly is about as popular as a rat in a dark elevator, Jeph puts the poor lad/lass on a bus, er, spaceship. Good riddance.
3) And Jeph, desperate for something, *anything* to make readers forget one of the most unreedeemably awful storylines in QC history, drags out the old TV sitcom warhorse "long lost sibling of main character suddenly shows up, wacky hijinks ensue". Geez, what's next? Gilligan ruins their chances of getting off the island?

Next time on QC: Incest robot threeway! (Or more boring dialogue, your choice.)

1) There's two things that could have happened if Beatrice had Hanners arrested for "accosting": (a) Bad publicity which could kill the deal with Tilly's father that Beatrice was trying to broker. Which would be somewhat humiliating to Beatrice. And (b) If Beatrice had Hanners arrested, that would kill any relationship between them. As it is, there's a sliver of a chance of reconciliation.
2) There's constructive criticism and then there's destructive criticism, seeing a lot of the latter here. So what makes Tilly "unpopular"? Hmm? What could Jeph have done to improve their reception? Instead of poking holes in the boat, try suggesting ways to patch things up.
3) We've just had a heavy storyline on par with Faye's descent into near fatal alcoholism, Marten and Dora's Break-up and the "Talk". Its also been one of the longer storylines, which means that people need a cleansing of the palette, so to speak. So yeah, we're going to get a funny few comics.

Look, the Tilly storyline was a giant misstep by Jeph, but it was also a story that needed to be told to facilitate the next step in Hanners' own story. And its clear that it went on a little too long. But there's no reason for barely concealed insults towards Jeph. And there's certainly no need to insult fictional characters, because, well, they're fictional.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: sitnspin on 07 Jan 2018, 09:37
*remembers when someone insulted the comic and then announced they were leaving only to come back a year later to once again insult the comic*
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 07 Jan 2018, 09:51
That was last week, wasn't it?

Oh, but I miss those heady days when there was (semi)intelligent discussions about the comics.

I miss those days. I really do.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Tova on 07 Jan 2018, 13:09
I for one hope that Jeph continues to periodically challenge his readers.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Elder Sign on 07 Jan 2018, 14:30
I'd really like to think that the "travel the world" thing means we'll get occasional tangents of wacky Hanners/Winslow adventures in places around the world, but the way that Jeph treats characters who are out of focus, it seems to me there will be absolutely zero updates outside of maybe a namedrop or two, and we'll be lucky to ever see either of them in the strip again at all -- unless Jeph gets really, really bored with his remaining existing cast members and the new ones he introduces in the meantime.

It just particularly rankles me, as a reader, because we had this awesome moment of Hanners breaking free from her mother's malign influence -- and then poof, gone, no real payoff or reunion allowed, the author just said "your arc's done, I don't need you anymore, bored now, buh-bye", and out the door they go into the trashbin.  And for good measure, let's send her off via "white person goes travelling the world to find themselves", as if that weren't already cliched deeply enough in fiction and real life.

I'm a little surprised Claire moving in is so low.

It might have something to do with the degree of Claire-centricity being at or close to saturation levels, at least since she and Marten started their relationship.  I highly doubt I'm the only person who finds Claire as a character irritating to no end.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Akima on 07 Jan 2018, 16:41
*remembers when someone insulted the comic and then announced they were leaving only to come back a year later to once again insult the comic*
We've had a few of those over the years. It's a weird behaviour; kind of like dogs coming back to eat their own poop.

Look, the Tilly storyline was a giant misstep by Jeph, but it was also a story that needed to be told to facilitate the next step in Hanners' own story. And its clear that it went on a little too long. But there's no reason for barely concealed insults towards Jeph. And there's certainly no need to insult fictional characters, because, well, they're fictional.
I don't know that I'd say "giant misstep" (I'd reserve that for, say, throwing in a miscarriage, or something...), but I'd entirely agree otherwise.

I for one hope that Jeph continues to periodically challenge his readers.
Hear hear!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Gyrre on 07 Jan 2018, 16:44
The usual thoughts about where someone like Hannelore would go to meditate and process her thoughts makes me think of a temple in the Far East, but it could also be neat to see her climbing Machu Picchu or visiting the Pyramids or Stonehenge or something like that. I actually would find it very interesting if Jeph shows more about where she goes and what she does during this excursion, how she reacts to the different culture and see the characters she might meet along the way, see her get her hands dirty working in a strange place, and somehow doesn'ta have a massive freak-out about germs and flees for the safety of home, etc.

#FollowHannelore #WhereverSheMayRoam

As I understand it, any ancient site with a resonant frequency of A major or F# is a great place to meditate. Maybe Hanners could bribe some guards to let her and Winslow  into the Queen's Chamber at Giza by themselves. Or she could visit some of the ancient sites of Egypt that aren't on the tour. There's a megolithic temple at the top of a small mountain, for instance.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Tova on 07 Jan 2018, 16:54
Wherever she goes, I don't think we'll hear any updates until she returns, because I think she'll digitally unplug.

Be patient and trust that the wait will be worthwhlie. There are plenty of other stories to be told in the meantime.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Thrudd on 07 Jan 2018, 19:07
I for one hope that Jeph continues to periodically challenge his readers.
Hear hear!
Though next time maybe he will sidestep the, hilarious to some, fish slap dance.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Shjade on 07 Jan 2018, 20:26
Just one note about this one:
1) Hannelore accosts her supposed master-of-the-Universe mother and...suffers absolutely no consequences whatsoever, because if she did, fan girls would burn down the internet and boycott Deathmole merchandise.
Gotta say, I find it pretty funny that this bullet point simultaneously mocks "fan girls" who overreact to things in this webcomic not going the way they imagined while also holding up Hannelore's mother as "supposed master-of-the-Universe" when, as far as I can tell, only Beatrice fans seem to think of her that way ('cause the comic sure as hell doesn't support that interpretation of the character), and said fans are the only ones making a big burn-down-style fuss over her deciding not to do something horrible to her own daughter.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 08 Jan 2018, 13:28
I am pleased that no one in the forum disputed Tilly's right to be NB. (Other than the pronoun difficulties.)
Tilly got on our nerves in other ways.
Not up on Steven Universe, but I'll point to Haruhi of Ouran Host Club as a sympathetic NB character.

Hannelore has discovered a part of herself that does not fit her self image. (She used the Voice.)
She has to explore who she really is before she can trust herself with others.
(A chat with Veronica might be useful.)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Morituri on 08 Jan 2018, 22:08
Bear this in mind: someone whose childhood bed features leather straps that were used to keep her from self-harm may have a differently informed perspective on discovering an angry and possibly violent part of her personality as an adult.

I don't regard Tilly's story as a misstep, giant or otherwise.  You guys, maybe, see a character you didn't like and a personal development arc for Hanners and the character shipped off to space, and you consider that character somehow 'used up' or 'over.'   This is not how it works.

I see a character who is more interesting than first appearances indicate, on several points, being placed in a situation in which further stresses on and developments with that character are inevitable and, quite probably, interesting.

Jeph is laying groundwork for multiple future stories - both Hanners' development and dealing with uncomfortable parts of herself, and something involving Station, Tilly, and Dr. Ellicott.  That isn't a misstep, and Tilly isn't a mistake.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Tova on 08 Jan 2018, 22:13
I agree with all of this.

It was also, for me, an interesting demonstration of the power of initial impressions.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: traroth on 09 Jan 2018, 03:09
How to summarize my impression? I'm not here for drama, I'm here for lols. Ok, that's oversimplifying. But you get the idea...
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Tova on 09 Jan 2018, 16:54
Oh, yes. :)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 09 Jan 2018, 17:24
My initial expectation was that Tilly's rad research skills would be the means for foiling Beatrice's scheme.
Shall I tell you about my initial expectations for Last Jedi?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Tova on 09 Jan 2018, 18:20
I personally have found that the best way to kill any film-watching experience is to walk in with expectations. I go to some trouble to avoid them for that reason. I don't mind watching a trailer, so long as I'm confident it will give nothing away. If I do happen to see a trailer in the cinema that gives too much away, then I don't bother watching it. I definitely avoid fandom predictions and such.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 09 Jan 2018, 18:54
(A chat with Veronica might be useful.)

That is entirely brilliant.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: hakko504 on 23 Jan 2018, 00:59
To admins: Since Hannelore now have left the comic, should we possibly find a new subtitle for this forum? 'Hannelore & Claire Squeee factory' doesn't seem quite appropriate anymore as there won't be much squeeing over Hannelore until she returns.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3646-3650 (1st - 5th January 2018)
Post by: JoeCovenant on 23 Jan 2018, 03:02
To admins: Since Hannelore now have left the comic, should we possibly find a new subtitle for this forum? 'Hannelore & Claire Squeee factory' doesn't seem quite appropriate anymore as there won't be much squeeing over Hannelore until she returns.

Hanners hasn't *left* the comic, though.
And I think the title alludes to *their* Squeee-ing...
Not ours *over* them...?