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Title: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 11 Feb 2018, 20:17
Comic's up and its a wave of nostalgia for media of yesteryear.

And some shortlived ones at that....
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: SpanielBear on 11 Feb 2018, 20:24
Went for cassette, as that was what I really grew up with. My dad had some decent vinyls though.

I wonder if Emily is actually the nexus of a conduit for paralell universes. Her dreams are of realities that never came to be.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: shanejayell on 11 Feb 2018, 20:39
I remember getting Videotapes.

Tho really you should have multiple options...  :-P
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 11 Feb 2018, 20:46
Hmmm, no.

One should be enough because there's always something you remember more from your youth than anything else. I remember cassettes just from how much music I was exposed to as a kid.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: SmilingCat on 11 Feb 2018, 20:55
I remember Vinyl, from back in the day when we just called them records, ye darn kids! *shakes cane*.

The smothers brothers records we had were old friends of mine...

Emily weirdly speaks to me here. Though I'm usually able to sort my dreams from reality shortly after I wake up.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: SomeCanadianWeirdo on 11 Feb 2018, 21:00
Don't worry, Emily.  Lots of stuff has never made it to YouTube, so cyberdiscs may have existed.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Penquin47 on 11 Feb 2018, 21:06
Don't worry, Emily.  Lots of stuff has never made it to YouTube, so cyberdiscs may have existed.

Probably not, though - being oblong would make it really awkward to read.  There's a reason discs are circular.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: cesium133 on 11 Feb 2018, 21:11
Don't worry, Emily.  Lots of stuff has never made it to YouTube, so cyberdiscs may have existed.

Probably not, though - being oblong would make it really awkward to read.  There's a reason discs are circular.
Something something *physicist mumbles* moment of inertia something something violent explosion.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Loki on 11 Feb 2018, 21:38
Hmmm, no.

One should be enough because there's always something you remember more from your youth than anything else. I remember cassettes just from how much music I was exposed to as a kid.

Yes, but... my parents had a lot of music on vinyl. Growing up, my music (or rather, the subset of their music I enjoyed) were on cassettes,  whereas I recorded my favorite video shows on VHS. (And in one very memorable case, the Ninth Gate, which included boobs.)

I skipped right over everything else.

Regarding the comic: I would honestly be not surprised if it turned out that this was a media format that was brought to Emily by aliens or a Vague Yet Menacing Government Agency.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: BenRG on 11 Feb 2018, 23:15
I'm actually empathising with Emily this morning. Once, I had a detailed dream about a wholly-imaginary book in Anne McCaffery's Dragonriders of Pern series. It was so detailed (including a very interesting dust cover picture) that I was quite convinced it was real for a few days, leading to a considerable fruitless period at my local library, looking for it in the catalogue database.

Meanwhile, I'm pretty sure that 'Pretty, Pretty Unicorn Detective' is a reference to the character 'Shadow Spade' in the My Little Pony episode Rarity Investigates! (https://mpnoir.deviantart.com/art/Vector-033-Detective-Rarity-562088932)

Now, I find myself wondering about just how much of Emily's own memories of the past are false memories!
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: OldGoat on 11 Feb 2018, 23:21
It wasn't really stone tablets.   My parents had a Philco 78 rpm phonograph, steel needle and all, and a bunch of pre-vinyl shelack records.  The things were brittle as hell and would shatter with scarcely any provocation.  The first LP machine in the house was a Webcor portable with a two-sided stylus,  steel for 78s and diamond for vinyl 33s, 45s, and 16s (never have seen a 16 in the flesh to this day).
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: zmeiat_joro on 11 Feb 2018, 23:43
I grew up on renting VHC too. And I once saw a laserdisc of Dune (the David Lynch film) in a vintage store 15 years ago. Still a bit bummed I did not buy it. I still have my VHC home record it did of it off TV.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: anahata on 11 Feb 2018, 23:50
The first LP machine in the house was a Webcor portable with a two-sided stylus,  steel for 78s and diamond for vinyl 33s, 45s, and 16s (never have seen a 16 in the flesh to this day).

Neither have I, but I was told the 16RPM discs were for talking books for the blind.
Which makes sense, sacrificing frequency range for speech-only playing time.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Stoutfellow on 12 Feb 2018, 00:54
I don't think we had any 16s (although I'm pretty sure I saw one once), but my little record player had a 16 setting. I played an Alvin and the Chipmunks on it once. David Seville was incomprehensible, but the Chipmunks were a nice tenor trio (singing rather slowly).
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Cornelius on 12 Feb 2018, 00:58
I went with betamax. My first, and probably favourite childhood video was betamax, even if all others were vhs. I still remember the day my father brought a video recorder home. Before that, it was audio cassettes, and vinyls. Although the last couple of albums I've bought, were on vinyl again. When it comes to music, vinyl or cd.
I've also gotten and repaired two gramophones, and some 78's. I just wish my grandma hasn't thrown here away as old fashioned junk.
I've entirely missed laser disc.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Case on 12 Feb 2018, 01:10
Hmmm, no.

One should be enough because there's always something you remember more from your youth than anything else. I remember cassettes just from how much music I was exposed to as a kid.

I remember cassettes both for the beautiful practise of making mix-tapes as gifts for your friends (and/or sweetheart), as well as a digital (non-audio) data storage device.

(During the height of the C64-hype in the mid-80s, Commodore would sell a cassette-drive that used regular tapes for external data-storage, the "datasette (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodore_Datasette)", as a substitute for the more expensive 1541 Floppy-disk drives (5¼").)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e5/Commodore-Datasette-C2N-Mk1-Front.jpg/800px-Commodore-Datasette-C2N-Mk1-Front.jpg)


Do Kids today do something like that still? Do they send each other playlists as a token of affection?


I still remember the day my father brought a video recorder home. Before that, it was audio cassettes, and vinyls.

Me, too - though our first one used the Video 2000 format. And from then on, I was the one who held the mythical and powerful office of "Family Master of Recordings", since none of the others ever bothered to learn how to program the damn' things.  :evil:
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: shanejayell on 12 Feb 2018, 01:49
There was also a weird CD Rom format for anime that failed, that might  be what Emily is remembering.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: DaiJB on 12 Feb 2018, 02:03
What? No wax cylinders??   :lol:

You know what? I think Emily knows exactly how cyberdiscs work - I think she had something to do with the actual R&D - and something weird started happening when they tested the prototype and a secret government organization shut down the research and neuralyzed the researchers when the cracks in reality started appearing...   :wink:

Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Tova on 12 Feb 2018, 02:07
(During the height of the C64-hype in the mid-80s, Commodore would sell a cassette-drive that used regular tapes for external data-storage, the "datasette (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodore_Datasette)", as a substitute for the more expensive 1541 Floppy-disk drives (5¼").)

Ahhh those were the days.

(Warning: flashing image)
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Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: anahata on 12 Feb 2018, 02:25
We still have a shelf full of VHS videos at home, and a VHS player that still works.
I was also a big fan of minidisc in its time.

I was quite shocked yesterday to discover that the 2018 Nissan LEAF doesn't have a CD player at all. For all I know, no new cars have CD players any more. And I have hundreds of CDs...
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: War-Wren on 12 Feb 2018, 02:45
Cyberdiscs never gained popularity due to their terrible tendency to explode violently when dropped, taking out nearby bystanders, buildings, and petrol stations, thereby creating an explosive chain reaction that wipes out half your team... wait, what are we talking about again?
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Near Lurker on 12 Feb 2018, 03:07
...I'm genuinely starting to think Emily needs help.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: BenRG on 12 Feb 2018, 03:13
There's no doubt that Emily has a semi-detached relationship with objective reality. However, she seems to be broadly aware of this, so this reduces somewhat the degree of risk posed to herself and others. However, yes, she is a person who is always going to be much safer with friends to act as a 'second opinion' of her perceptions and memories.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: efindumb on 12 Feb 2018, 03:34
The first LP machine in the house was a Webcor portable with a two-sided stylus,  steel for 78s and diamond for vinyl 33s, 45s, and 16s (never have seen a 16 in the flesh to this day).

Neither have I, but I was told the 16RPM discs were for talking books for the blind.
Which makes sense, sacrificing frequency range for speech-only playing time.

According to this link (http://bloggerhythms.blogspot.com/2011/05/slower-than-slow-16-rpm-records.html) you are right but it's also  because of radio stations and their usage that they were created. When they went with a different, newer format that fit their needs better the format died out so there wasn't any need for the 16s anymore especially for such a niche market. Why continue to make something that has limited us, a limited market, and can be done just as well with other, cheaper technology?




On topic: I really felt old when my niece asked what a cassette tape was a few years ago! She dug the knife in further when she asked what a videotape was and why the minivan had a VCR instead of a DVD player...
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Jeemy on 12 Feb 2018, 03:38
Meanwhile, I'm pretty sure that 'Pretty, Pretty Unicorn Detective' is a reference to the character 'Shadow Spade' in the My Little Pony episode Rarity Investigates! (https://mpnoir.deviantart.com/art/Vector-033-Detective-Rarity-562088932)

Or possibly Pretty Pretty Pegasus in Teen Titans. My kids watch this and I remembered an episode where the ladywizard wants to sit at home and watch their equivalent of 'my little pony'. So I googled it and its pretty close too?
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Pilchard123 on 12 Feb 2018, 03:56
Cyberdiscs never gained popularity due to their terrible tendency to explode violently when dropped, taking out nearby bystanders, buildings, and petrol stations, thereby creating an explosive chain reaction that wipes out half your team... wait, what are we talking about again?

"We've yet to recover one of these in functional condition from the field - the men seem to enjoy using them for target practice."
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Zebediah on 12 Feb 2018, 04:27
Cyberdiscs. (http://xcom.wikia.com/wiki/Cyberdisc) A real thing, for certain loosely defined values of “real”.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: pwhodges on 12 Feb 2018, 06:50
I selected "Stone tablets" as there was no closer option for the shellac 78rpm disks I gained my first experience with...

I had this (https://www.discogs.com/Diana-Ross-The-Little-Red-Engine/release/11179384), for instance.
(https://img.discogs.com/1iZ65DrMeiW-nVleoatQEaFC-uQ=/fit-in/300x300/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(40)/discogs-images/R-11179384-1511333394-3492.jpeg.jpg)
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: OldGoat on 12 Feb 2018, 07:34
There's no doubt that Emily has a semi-detached relationship with objective reality. However, she seems to be broadly aware of this, so this reduces somewhat the degree of risk posed to herself and others. However, yes, she is a person who is always going to be much safer with friends to act as a 'second opinion' of her perceptions and memories.
I beg to differ.  Emily does not suffer from a semi-detached relationship with objective reality. 

In fact, she rather enjoys it.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: JoeCovenant on 12 Feb 2018, 08:31
It wasn't really stone tablets.   My parents had a Philco 78 rpm phonograph, steel needle and all, and a bunch of pre-vinyl shelack records.  The things were brittle as hell and would shatter with scarcely any provocation.  The first LP machine in the house was a Webcor portable with a two-sided stylus,  steel for 78s and diamond for vinyl 33s, 45s, and 16s (never have seen a 16 in the flesh to this day).

Yep,
We had an old 78 player and a nice pile of discs too which my parents 'inherited' from my grandparents.
I used to play the hell out of those old discs!
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: ckridge on 12 Feb 2018, 08:50
The bottom says "Xcom joke." Help? This is not my field of geekery.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: OldGoat on 12 Feb 2018, 08:54
It wasn't really stone tablets.   My parents had a Philco 78 rpm phonograph, steel needle and all, and a bunch of pre-vinyl shelack records.  The things were brittle as hell and would shatter with scarcely any provocation.  The first LP machine in the house was a Webcor portable with a two-sided stylus,  steel for 78s and diamond for vinyl 33s, 45s, and 16s (never have seen a 16 in the flesh to this day).

Yep,
We had an old 78 player and a nice pile of discs too which my parents 'inherited' from my grandparents.
I used to play the hell out of those old discs!
Here's one (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AetwIDdVfBg) my folks had.  (If that fellow's voice sounds familiar, it's Mel "Bug Bunny and a bunch of others" Blanc.)

The collection wasn't just goofy stuff, either.  I remember a bunch of Strauss Waltzes and other classical stuff, too.  (Did they have green labels?  That was a long time ago, and they were old then.)
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: BenRG on 12 Feb 2018, 08:54
The bottom says "Xcom joke." Help? This is not my field of geekery.

XCom, first published in the early 1990s as UFO - Enemy Unknown is a turn-based strategy game where you command a UN task-force that is attempting to repel an overt alien invasion of a contemporary Earth, a task complicated by the activities of a secretive cult trying to exploit the war to increase their own power. 'Cyberdisc' is the identifying name of an alien tank-like combat drone used in the latter phases of the game.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Pennepasta on 12 Feb 2018, 09:05
The bottom says "Xcom joke." Help? This is not my field of geekery.

XCom, first published in the early 1990s as UFO - Enemy Unknown is a turn-based strategy game where you command a UN task-force that is attempting to repel an overt alien invasion of a contemporary Earth, a task complicated by the activities of a secretive cult trying to exploit the war to increase their own power. 'Cyberdisc' is the identifying name of an alien tank-like combat drone used in the latter phases of the game.

I believe it was called XCom in the US, even the original? Being a Brit, though, I just had UFO: EU. The classic game of moving soldiers out of the dropship to get mown down one by one before they could do anything.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Pilchard123 on 12 Feb 2018, 10:50
And there's some remakes/sequels/spiritual successors released in 2012 and 2016. I haven't played the originals myself, so I can't really compare them to the new ones, but they're pretty good. Julian Gollop, who made the original ones is also working on Phoenix Point (https://www.reddit.com/r/PhoenixPoint/), which smells a bit like it's in the middle of the two.

I believe it was called XCom in the US, even the original?

X-COM, with a hyphen. I don't exactly know why it was decided that the hyphen should be removed, but searching for XCOM will get you the modern ones and X-COM will get the old ones.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: hedgie on 12 Feb 2018, 12:14
Odd.  I'm increasingly thinking of removing the optical drive on my laptop and doing one of those conversions to stick an SSD in there.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Sebastian on 12 Feb 2018, 12:46
That's a pity, I'd watch something called "witch planet soccer" I imagine like a an anime where kids play a game similiar to soccer but with magic spells, kinda like a mix between imazuna eleven and fairy tail.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 12 Feb 2018, 12:55
...I'm genuinely starting to think Emily needs help.

Freud's definition of mental health was the ability to love and to work. She clears that bar.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Zebediah on 12 Feb 2018, 12:57
Well, I did once see one episode of an anime about a kid’s soccer team that was on a spaceship that looked like a train, and some of the kids had magic and one was green with elf ears. No idea what the title was. It was on Spanish TV so it was dubbed in Spanish and I had no clue what was going on.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: ckridge on 12 Feb 2018, 13:06
Freud's definition of mental health was the ability to love and to work. She clears that bar.

Man, I like that definition. You can see how that guy would have unwarranted confidence in his stupid ideas. When he was on, he was on all the way.

Usually when I meet someone with Emily's kind of buoyant, giddy happiness, I start watching to see what the depressive cycle looks like, but there is no sign of that here. Could be she is just odd, and no one has gone out of there way to make her miserable about it. I've never seen that happen, but it must be possible.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Case on 12 Feb 2018, 13:15
...I'm genuinely starting to think Emily needs help.

Freud's definition of mental health was the ability to love and to work. She clears that bar.

IIRC, Adolf Eichmann was assessed by five psychiatrists prior to his trial in Jerusalem, none of whom found anything out of the ordinary.

Normal is a majority vote. 
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: ckridge on 12 Feb 2018, 13:29
They were not going to arrive at a verdict that might interfere with killing him.

I wonder whether he was capable of love. Probably, under a special, restricted set of circumstances.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Sullivan on 12 Feb 2018, 13:37
We still have a shelf full of VHS videos at home, and a VHS player that still works.
I was also a big fan of minidisc in its time.

I was quite shocked yesterday to discover that the 2018 Nissan LEAF doesn't have a CD player at all. For all I know, no new cars have CD players any more. And I have hundreds of CDs...

Automakers have also talked about getting rid of the radio.  :?
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 12 Feb 2018, 13:44
That's largely due to smartphones. Why have a radio in the car when someone is going to connect their phone to their car, after all its got Youtube, the owner's own music and of course a radio if needs be.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Sullivan on 12 Feb 2018, 14:03
That's largely due to smartphones. Why have a radio in the car when someone is going to connect their phone to their car, after all its got Youtube, the owner's own music and of course a radio if needs be.

So many reasons...

- There are many places in the US where mobile phone coverage isn't good enough to provide good streaming audio.
- OTA radio is not subject to data caps.
- Terrestrial radio pays lower royalties than online "stations", so the former are more viable as business entities.
- I have Sirius XM in the car. But NPR's premium  newscasts (ME and ATC) aren't on Sirius XM.
- OTA stations are located in specific places and have social and financial connections to those places. If they havent been taken over by iHeart they may have a local "lean" on their playlist that might let me hear something I wouldn't otherwise. Internet streaming "stations" don't do that.
- Many local stations do have online feeds. But just try finding one when you're in a strange city. There is no consistency or pattern to their URLs and I can't find an app that gives me a "scan up" button for searching for streams of local stations for wherever I happen to be. With the car radio I have a steering wheel button to do that. (And there is an "NPR station finder" app on my phone... it doesn't link me to their feeds, though!)
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Tova on 12 Feb 2018, 15:19
I am a fan of CDs and still buy them, but I have a cd player in the car and I almost never use it. I could count on one hand the number of times I've stuck a CD in there, and I've had the car for about fifteen years.

As for VHS, I recently saw blu rays for sale in commemorative VHS cases, so it's safe to say that a fair number of people 'remember' them, even if they weren't around at the time.

It reminds of the time when a once heard a conductor use the phrase "broken record" in front of a youth orchestra.

Conductor: "You probably don't know what that mea-"
The entire youth orchestra: "WE KNOW WHAT IT MEANS."
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 12 Feb 2018, 16:58
...I'm genuinely starting to think Emily needs help.

Freud's definition of mental health was the ability to love and to work. She clears that bar.

I'm a butcher and I love my work. The fact that I practice on humans is irrelevant.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: SmilingCat on 12 Feb 2018, 17:21
Freud's definition of mental health was the ability to love and to work. She clears that bar.

Freud also thought Cocaine was pretty great. I like to imagine our understanding of health and well being has expanded a bit since then.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: JRDelirio on 12 Feb 2018, 17:24
Emily has previously stated that she is deep weird.


As to media, heck, where's 8-track in the poll?  :-P

When my car CD changer began acting up about 4 years ago I switched to hooking my Nano(*) to the AUX input, never looked back.
(* You'll take my dedicated media player when you pry... you know the drill.  That thing's battery outlasts my iPhone's by 4 to one)
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 12 Feb 2018, 18:54
Google is my friend:

"... a planet inhabited by athletic witches who practice sports magic and vie to place their sport at the top to decide the world's shape..."

Round or oblong?
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 12 Feb 2018, 18:59
...I'm genuinely starting to think Emily needs help.

Freud's definition of mental health was the ability to love and to work. She clears that bar.

I'm a butcher and I love my work. The fact that I practice on humans is irrelevant.

I see its time to go to the tailor for that new jacket.

A straitjacket.

Would you like the (padded) room with the view of the lake with the Summer camp that's full of teen counsellors, the same Summer camp where all those previous teens died under mysterious circumstances?
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 12 Feb 2018, 19:04
Hey, according to Freud I'm perfectly sane, apparently. Perhaps even some sort of very stable genius.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: SpanielBear on 12 Feb 2018, 19:12
Hey, according to Freud I'm perfectly sane, apparently. Perhaps even some sort of very stable genius.

Actually, you are exactly right. By a very literal understanding of Freud, as long as you are neither neurotic nor psychotic, being a completely sane psychopath is not a contradiction in terms.

You were just making a joke weren't you? No one was actually interested at all in turn-of-the-last-century Viennese psychological practices were they?

Dammit, I'll get my coat...
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Tova on 12 Feb 2018, 20:30
Freud's definition of mental health was the ability to love and to work. She clears that bar.

Freud also thought Cocaine was pretty great. I like to imagine our understanding of health and well being has expanded a bit since then.

Are you disagreeing with IICIH's comment, or just slipping in an anecdote?
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: SmilingCat on 12 Feb 2018, 20:35
Freud's definition of mental health was the ability to love and to work. She clears that bar.

Freud also thought Cocaine was pretty great. I like to imagine our understanding of health and well being has expanded a bit since then.

Are you disagreeing with IICIH's comment, or just slipping in an anecdote?

Are those my only choices?

Because I'm pretty sure that I was pointing out that Freud wasn't the last word in health an wellness.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 12 Feb 2018, 20:37
Ya know, considering that Freud's theories have long since been discredited and ridiculed, its pretty obvious that any reference to him is pretty much a joke.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Tova on 12 Feb 2018, 20:44
Because I'm pretty sure that I was pointing out that Freud wasn't the last word in health an wellness.

Yes, I know. That is well known.

I was wondering whether you agreed or disagreed with what IICIH said.

And no, I don't agree that absolutely any reference to him is a joke.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: SmilingCat on 12 Feb 2018, 20:48
Yes, I know. That is well known.

I was wondering whether you agreed or disagreed with what IICIH said.

And no, I don't agree that absolutely any reference to him is a joke.

Do I agree that Freud said it? Sure. Do I agree it's accurate? Well... for several years I was able to love, able to work, and borderline suicidal, so not really.

Also does "able to work" include physically able? Because I'm doing a lot better emotionally, but physically I'm disabled.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Tova on 12 Feb 2018, 20:54
Do I agree it's accurate? Well... for several years I was able to love, able to work, and borderline suicidal, so not really.

Also does "able to work" include physically able? Because I'm doing a lot better emotionally, but physically I'm disabled.

Thank you, that's all I was wanting to know. Fair comment and more persuasive than your ad hominem response.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: yaksaregreat on 12 Feb 2018, 21:04
Oof, looks likr Marigold was a little jealous for a second therein the latest strip... hope that doesn't escalate to too much... Emily would never flirt with a taken man on purpose! Too innocent!
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: zisraelsen on 12 Feb 2018, 21:08
Yep, I'm smelling some jealousy too. Considering Marigold's track record with jealously regarding May moving in, it'll probably get worse before she mentions it to Dale.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: SmilingCat on 12 Feb 2018, 21:12
Oof, looks likr Marigold was a little jealous for a second therein the latest strip... hope that doesn't escalate to too much... Emily would never flirt with a taken man on purpose! Too innocent!

I'm hoping it died as soon as Emily power-hugged her.

Thank you, that's all I was wanting to know. Fair comment and more persuasive than your ad hominem response.

Ad hominem, huh? This is how it's going to be? 
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Gyrre on 12 Feb 2018, 21:20
Went for cassette, as that was what I really grew up with. My dad had some decent vinyls though.

I wonder if Emily is actually the nexus of a conduit for paralell universes. Her dreams are of realities that never came to be.

We had cassettes and vinyls because old vinyls were sort of cheap back in the mid 80s
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Gyrre on 12 Feb 2018, 21:27
What? No wax cylinders??   :lol:

You know what? I think Emily knows exactly how cyberdiscs work - I think she had something to do with the actual R&D - and something weird started happening when they tested the prototype and a secret government organization shut down the research and neuralyzed the researchers when the cracks in reality started appearing...   :wink:
Looks like clockworks got skippedover in general.
Also, 8track is also missing.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Tova on 12 Feb 2018, 21:30
Oof, looks likr Marigold was a little jealous for a second therein the latest strip... hope that doesn't escalate to too much... Emily would never flirt with a taken man on purpose! Too innocent!

I'm hoping it died as soon as Emily power-hugged her.

Thank you, that's all I was wanting to know. Fair comment and more persuasive than your ad hominem response.

Ad hominem, huh? This is how it's going to be?

Okay, speak to me. What's the problem? If I've offended you, tell me. I genuinely wanted to understand your opinion. I have no beef with you and meant nothing more by that expression than its literal meaning.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Gyrre on 12 Feb 2018, 21:39
They were not going to arrive at a verdict that might interfere with killing him.

I wonder whether he was capable of love. Probably, under a special, restricted set of circumstances.

Might I suggest taking a gander at Eichman in Jerusalem: A Report on the Banality of Evil by Hannah Arendt, and written as a report for The New Yorker. BTW, Arendt was a Jew who fled Germany during Hitler's rise to power.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: SmilingCat on 12 Feb 2018, 22:01
Okay, speak to me. What's the problem? If I've offended you, tell me. I genuinely wanted to understand your opinion. I have no beef with you and meant nothing more by that expression than its literal meaning.

The literal meaning being my original statement was nothing but an attack on Freud?

Honestly, I was trying to decipher what upset you. My statement about Freud and Cocaine was pointing out that science and medicine marches on from a time when we had simplistic views of mental health and cocaine was sold over the counter as a wonder drug. Entirely relevant, considering the comment I was responding to was about what Freud would think. I didn't know why you apparently felt the need to take it personally on Freud's behalf.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Tova on 12 Feb 2018, 22:26
I don't have time to explain my comment in full, except to assure you that I was not, and am still not, the slightest bit upset.

Your first comment was directed towards Freud. The second one was directed towards the statement specifically. I found the second more persuasive. That is all I meant to say.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 12 Feb 2018, 22:38
We could have a fascinating thread about definitions of mental health.

Emily is functional and safe to those around her. She has deficits in her contact with reality. She is by her own assessment weird, but we must avoid pathologizing weirdness.

I think it's perfectly all right to point out that Freud would not be adequate grounds for an argument from authority. It's just I've never seen a pithier definition of sanity.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: WoaLG on 12 Feb 2018, 22:45
Emily is a Cloudcuckoolander (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Cloudcuckoolander).

It's best to just accept it. Trying to psychoanalyze a Cloudcuckoolander is bad for most people's mental health.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: hakko504 on 12 Feb 2018, 23:04
I am a fan of CDs and still buy them, but I have a cd player in the car and I almost never use it. I could count on one hand the number of times I've stuck a CD in there, and I've had the car for about fifteen years.
We have two cars, one larger that we use (among other things) for family trips. The CD player in that car is almost unused as the SD card reader is so much more versatile. The only time there's a CD in there if we buy something when we're not near a computer to move it to the SD card. The other, smaller (and older) car, which is almost 100% used for driving to work and back, on the other hand have a CD player that is used quite often - as soon as the radio doesn't have anything useful on, then I switch to the CD.

As for laptops, I'll remove the BluRay player in my laptop as soon as UHDBluRay discs become available for download in full quality. Which may happen sometime soon after hell freezes over. It also means I can't change laptop as new laptops either have DVDplayer (why? Why hasn't BluRay players eradicated DVD players from the face of the earth?) or is insanely expensive.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: BenRG on 12 Feb 2018, 23:05
I think that today's comic in many ways serves as a perfect character summary of both Marigold and Emily.

Marigold is pretty much a walking neurosis. She's constantly convinced that she's second best and that she'll inevitably lose her friends and loved ones the minute a better offer comes along. That's the reason for her reaction to Dale and Emily laughing together; a part of her genuinely expects Dale to leave her eventually and every time she sees Dale being friendly to a woman she wonders is this is the moment when it happens.

Meanwhile, Emily is all joy, enthusiasm and friendship. She sees Marigold and it's as if she hasn't seen her for a long time because having her friends arrive back in her life, even if they've only been absent for a few hours, really is a cause for the most profound and genuine happiness for her. Naturally, she's spontaneously decided to get gifts (and the likely nature of those is enough to make the mind boggle) just because she's a friend and Emily likes doing nice things for friends. That's Emily Azuma - She literally doesn't have a single bad part of her psyche; she's incapable of malice!

Now, looking at panel 5, doesn't it look like Marigold may be pregnant?
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Storel on 13 Feb 2018, 00:39
I notice nobody has yet commented on the part of 3676 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3676) that amused me most: Emily saying "Dang it, did I dream up another nonexistant media format?" Hmm, "another"? Is this something you do on a regular basis, Emily?  :psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Cornelius on 13 Feb 2018, 01:50
That's largely due to smartphones. Why have a radio in the car when someone is going to connect their phone to their car, after all its got Youtube, the owner's own music and of course a radio if needs be.

So many reasons...

- There are many places in the US where mobile phone coverage isn't good enough to provide good streaming audio.
- OTA radio is not subject to data caps.
- Terrestrial radio pays lower royalties than online "stations", so the former are more viable as business entities.
- I have Sirius XM in the car. But NPR's premium  newscasts (ME and ATC) aren't on Sirius XM.
- OTA stations are located in specific places and have social and financial connections to those places. If they havent been taken over by iHeart they may have a local "lean" on their playlist that might let me hear something I wouldn't otherwise. Internet streaming "stations" don't do that.
- Many local stations do have online feeds. But just try finding one when you're in a strange city. There is no consistency or pattern to their URLs and I can't find an app that gives me a "scan up" button for searching for streams of local stations for wherever I happen to be. With the car radio I have a steering wheel button to do that. (And there is an "NPR station finder" app on my phone... it doesn't link me to their feeds, though!)

Not to mention that my car radio actually listens on other stations as well, and switches over when there's traffic announcements.

But then, national radio stations in Belgium will be forced out of analog FM by 2023, supposedly to give more room to local stations. How that computes with the recent cut in local stations' permits, the minister of media neglects to say.

But, going by Emily's definition of a long time in today's strip, that's an eternity away.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: traroth on 13 Feb 2018, 02:24
Actually, I'm surprised Marigold was out of the limelight for so long...
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: BenRG on 13 Feb 2018, 02:35
On his Twitter feed, Jeph said that he just hadn't had any good story ideas for her for a long time before he wrote this one.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: JoeCovenant on 13 Feb 2018, 02:47
It wasn't really stone tablets.   My parents had a Philco 78 rpm phonograph, steel needle and all, and a bunch of pre-vinyl shelack records.  The things were brittle as hell and would shatter with scarcely any provocation.  The first LP machine in the house was a Webcor portable with a two-sided stylus,  steel for 78s and diamond for vinyl 33s, 45s, and 16s (never have seen a 16 in the flesh to this day).

Yep,
We had an old 78 player and a nice pile of discs too which my parents 'inherited' from my grandparents.
I used to play the hell out of those old discs!
Here's one (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AetwIDdVfBg) my folks had.  (If that fellow's voice sounds familiar, it's Mel "Bug Bunny and a bunch of others" Blanc.)

The collection wasn't just goofy stuff, either.  I remember a bunch of Strauss Waltzes and other classical stuff, too.  (Did they have green labels?  That was a long time ago, and they were old then.)


There are actually some groovy resources out there, including this  HUGE 78 Download Archive list (https://great78.archive.org/).
Fun to trawl through if you find yourself at a loose end... :)

Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: JoeCovenant on 13 Feb 2018, 02:49
We still have a shelf full of VHS videos at home, and a VHS player that still works.
I was also a big fan of minidisc in its time.

I was quite shocked yesterday to discover that the 2018 Nissan LEAF doesn't have a CD player at all. For all I know, no new cars have CD players any more. And I have hundreds of CDs...

My current car is a '99, and it'll probably be a *long* time before I have to worry about owning a car without a CD player. However, my brother's laptop has no disc drive and it drives him insane (& would me, too!).

My car is a 2017, it has a cd player.
But also has Bluetooth and usb connections
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: ckridge on 13 Feb 2018, 06:37
Yesterdwhat!

Emily is fine, dammit. It is perfectly possible for people to be happy and silly for no apparent reason without being in a manic phase. She isn't going to disappear and have to be searched out, sat with, and told jokes. Everything is good. Stop worrying.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: heyjames4 on 13 Feb 2018, 06:52
Have Marigold and Emily spent much time on-screen together before?
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: shanejayell on 13 Feb 2018, 07:15
Yay, Marigold returns!
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Thrudd on 13 Feb 2018, 07:31
Besides the list missing 8-track there was those min-CDs, not mini disk but just a small form factor CD that would more times than not get jammed up or just not play in most "made for the American market" players. The carried singles from various artists though some marketing genius though it would be cool for software distribution.
I also have kicking around both an audio tape and a video tape player, no cassettes, just spools of reel to reel tape with video data instead of audio.
Then there is the weird stuff  :-D
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: BenRG on 13 Feb 2018, 07:34
The mini-CDs were created and patented by Sony, IIRC. They were originally designed as a music-storage medium but the only significant application that I ever saw in the UK was as the main read-only medium for the PlayStation Portable games console.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Case on 13 Feb 2018, 07:50
Emily is functional and safe to those around her. She has deficits in her contact with reality. She is by her own assessment weird, but we must avoid pathologizing weirdness.

Yes, please!
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: pwhodges on 13 Feb 2018, 07:56
Mini-CDs have been fairly commonly used by Chinese (especially) companies for the drivers supplied with video cards, webcams, and the like; They could make the boxes smaller than the 5 inches enforced by a normal CD.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: brasca on 13 Feb 2018, 11:00
Glad to see Marigold back and hope we’re not getting a storyline where her insecurities wreck her relationship with Dale.  With Angus and now Hannelore gone Momo is the only one who can reign in those problems.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: OldGoat on 13 Feb 2018, 11:15
"For four heavy hits, play PlayTape (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBSGuR589_Q)."  They were the Thing to Have 1966 and '67, then they vanished. 

Note the price tags on the batteries in the video.  Pay 'n Save was a Pacific Northwest chain headquartered in Seattle.  I suspect this particular specimen was refurbished.  That or the retailer decided to supply batteries.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 13 Feb 2018, 11:15
Glad to see Marigold back and hope we’re not getting a storyline where her insecurities wreck her relationship with Dale.  With Angus and now Hannelore gone Momo is the only one who can reign in those problems.

It could be a story to raise the idea that Marigold doesn't have a lot of friends.
Angus left.
Hanners has gone.
Momo has a life of her own and a job of her own.
Dale is probably one of the remaining key fixtures in her life and this could be an arc about Marigold's exploration of her relationship with Dale.

Or it could be Emily and Marigold becoming friends, with both of them coming from similar friendless backgrounds.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Morituri on 13 Feb 2018, 11:41
I dunno.  Emily's cloudcuckooland seems like mostly a happy place.

And I have no experience with nonexistent media formats, but someone in my family used to listen to a radio station nobody else could hear.  He would tune the dial to 103.2 - every time, exactly.  He claimed it was all jazz, all the time.  Local screeching-nut talk radio and country-western stations made me wish I could hear it too.

Not that I have anything against country-western, it just isn't my favorite.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 13 Feb 2018, 11:44
Stop worrying.

What, let one of my most prominent talents atrophy? :-)
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: ckridge on 13 Feb 2018, 12:40
The title is "Compromising Positions," which does suggest the possibility of jealousy. It is hard to believe that Emily's behavior wouldn't have dispelled it, though. I suppose Marigold could still be suspicious of Dale.

"Dale, that suave womanizer, is seducing poor innocent Emily. How could she resist him? How could he not prefer her childlike airs and graces to Marigold's squat glumness?"

Yeah, Marigold could definitely go that route. Let us hope she has a lick of sense.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Zebediah on 13 Feb 2018, 12:54
Yeah, Marigold could definitely go that route. Let us hope she has a lick of sense.

I think we all know that she does not.

Seriously, for a deeply neurotic person anxiety often drowns out common sense. Marigold may very well know in her head that Dale isn’t cheating on her with Emily, but that churning feeling in her gut won’t be dismissed so easily.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Tova on 13 Feb 2018, 13:14
Isn't this Marigold's first relationship? This will be foreign territory, and thus potentially a learning experience. :)
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Jeemy on 13 Feb 2018, 13:16
Well, there were two types of MiniCD; the ones that ran in the PSP inside the Sony custom cartridge, and the ones that were approx 2.5" and used for drivers which technically ran in any CD player but in general, wrecked irrepairably, any type of CD player - once they went in, they never came out.

As an aside to storage media, I ran a recording studio for over 20 years. The most interesting thing I realized in the whole time was that our assumptions as to what is "safe" storage are inevitably flawed:

- all music was originally stored on magnetic reel-to-reel tape, lets say
- after 20-40+ years, it transpired the tape stuck to itself, demagnetised, decomposed, it wasn't valid
- everything was transferred to DAT tape.....but nobody supported it and you literally couldn't buy players - but A-DAT was valid
- except A-DAT was dropped fairly shortly afterwards
- we were all stunned by what you could fit onto CD, then DVD5, then DVD9
- then we discovered that 2-5 years later the discs would not read
- but we had hard disc now, so everything was OK!
- except we've all had a hard disc failure. So just RAID it, or get two - put one offline.
- then your offline gets flooded, burnt in the sun, dusty, or mouldy
- so now, we are in a unique position. With 40-60Gb of high quality audio for a 24-track audio master, where do we store it?
- what, in fact do we know?

There is still no long-term solution for this! Hard disc hasn't been round long enough to prove itself against 2-4" tape. Long-term storage is actually not something we have any solution to - save to keep moving the media from place to place - but thats impossible if you wish to keep your audio in the analogue realm....
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: ckridge on 13 Feb 2018, 13:17
If Jeph tortures Marigold immediately after torturing Bubbles, all the while proclaiming how much he loves them, I think we are going to have to drop a dime on him. Is there a Bureau of Character Welfare?
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: cesium133 on 13 Feb 2018, 13:23
There was, but it was defunded in the budget crisis following Doratengate.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Morituri on 13 Feb 2018, 15:26

There is still no long-term solution for this! Hard disc hasn't been round long enough to prove itself against 2-4" tape. Long-term storage is actually not something we have any solution to - save to keep moving the media from place to place - but thats impossible if you wish to keep your audio in the analogue realm....

The company whose disk technology you want is a tiny little outfit named Norsam.  They record analog documents, as analog documents, on disc.  If you render your audio optically - the way laserdiscs recorded analog audio optically for example - you can record it as a spiral trace on a Norsam disc.

The discs are nickel-and-ceramic, and the digital format at highest density - 65 Gbytes - are expected to last, as best anybody can extrapolate from testing, at least 400 years.  If you are willing to write at lower density, you can achieve expected stability times of a thousand years or so with 2-3 Gbytes per disc. They are strictly write-once, and the writers are horrifyingly expensive.   At the lower data densities you can read them directly with a microscope - no laser light required.

Los Alamos, testing them on analog text documents for military applications, did things like putting the disks into air heated to 300 degrees Celsius (temperature of a house fire) for 65 hours, or in seawater for 14 weeks, and discovering that they were still perfectly readable afterward.

Norsam's main businesses are jewelry - micro-etched surfaces for a bewildering variety of optical effects - and analog document storage - Where they etch texts directly onto disks so readers can read it directly as graphics with high-powered microscopes (sort of a modern replacement for microfiche).  The HD-ROM stuff for digital storage is something they consider a minor sideline.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: LilBlueSky on 13 Feb 2018, 17:36

Now, looking at panel 5, doesn't it look like Marigold may be pregnant?

I thought so too and I even showed my husband (who only follows the comic because I show it to him every day whenever I read it lol)... Even HE thought she liked
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: NemesisDancer on 13 Feb 2018, 18:12
Cute detail I noticed: in the fourth frame Emily's hair appears to perk up slightly at her excitement at seeing Marigold xD
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 13 Feb 2018, 18:33
I note that Marigold is wearing a hoodie devoid of nerdisms.
Also her acne is nearly gone.

Is she (ulp) maturing?
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: SmilingCat on 13 Feb 2018, 18:50

Now, looking at panel 5, doesn't it look like Marigold may be pregnant?

I thought so too and I even showed my husband (who only follows the comic because I show it to him every day whenever I read it lol)... Even HE thought she liked

It looks like a pregnancy belly to me, to. Something to wait for confirmation or denial of tomorrow.

Or an extended period of not saying anything at all about it. Either one.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: SpanielBear on 13 Feb 2018, 19:11

Now, looking at panel 5, doesn't it look like Marigold may be pregnant?

I thought so too and I even showed my husband (who only follows the comic because I show it to him every day whenever I read it lol)... Even HE thought she liked

It looks like a pregnancy belly to me, to. Something to wait for confirmation or denial of tomorrow.

Or an extended period of not saying anything at all about it. Either one.

I mean we'll most likely find out in an hour's time or so, but how would that fit into the timeline? We last saw Marigold (I think) in strip 3138, which is immediately after the big time skip (In Which Our Heroine Got Buff), and she isn't showing there. This was over a year ago in our time, but comic-time wise, I'm not sure how long it's been. I get the feeling it's only been a few months which sure, is enough time for things to develop, but it seems odd that it would just be dropped on us from nothing. Also you'd think Hanners might take her friend's imminent spawning of a podling into consideration before deciding to take off on a journey of self discovery. Not saying she has no right to do that, but it doesn't seem very in character.

I mean, it's not impossible, but it seems an odd storyline to just jump into.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: MrNumbers on 13 Feb 2018, 19:45
My issue with Marigold is that Jeph likes her so much in his head, he often forgets to convey why she's likable on the page, or takes it for granted the audience should like her as much as he does.

I'm always hesitant about her appearance as a result.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Tova on 13 Feb 2018, 19:51
I think it's more likely that he does convey the attributes he finds likeable, and it just so happens that you don't find them likeable. People here like different characters for different reasons. Our conversations here would be dull otherwise.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: MrNumbers on 13 Feb 2018, 21:17
I'd say those aren't mutually exclusive things. I lean into my suspicion a bit because it's... well it's an author pet character for him.

It's definitely something I noticed with Claire, for example, as Jeph grew way more comfortable with her, and became a pet character for him for a while. It's a very consistent quirk in his writing that you can tell when he really likes a character when he gets very... incautious in writing them.

You could tell he was really excited to write Brun, for instance, because in the first comics we have of her, she pulls a shotgun on Clinton. Later edited to be a harpoon -- a much better decision -- but a good example of what I'm referring to.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Gyrre on 13 Feb 2018, 21:47
I notice nobody has yet commented on the part of 3676 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3676) that amused me most: Emily saying "Dang it, did I dream up another nonexistant media format?" Hmm, "another"? Is this something you do on a regular basis, Emily?  :psyduck:
Instead of media, it's places I've lived in or visited. Sometimes it's a place I've actually been but it's vastly different. My paternal grandma's old one-story house with a basement suddenly has two additional floors and at least one sub-basement. The first basement has several more rooms and there's at least 10 bathrooms in the place.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: BenRG on 13 Feb 2018, 23:12
Today's strip reminds us of two things.

Firstly, Marigold, by her own admission to Momo, is a thoughtless and selfish person. She isn't good with factoring in other people to her desires and wants. Secondly, we're reminded of the fact she doesn't like being this way and how important her relationship with Dale is to her.

When I first saw this strip, I was confused about what's happening. Finally, I realised that Marigold is fighting all her instincts and learned behaviour to be generous to Dale, even though her hind-brain is screaming that she's being a fool!

Now, about the treat itself... ((Checks Google)) Chocolate-covered breadsticks seems okay to me but fish-flavoured?!? Only Emily could think to offer such a thing to her friends! :-P
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Shjade on 13 Feb 2018, 23:18
o/~ Ooh, ooh ooh ooh I'm sharin' with you
Ooh, ooh
Tryna do what couples do ooh o/~
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: WoaLG on 13 Feb 2018, 23:27
"The official Pocky website explicitly says they are meant to be shared"

I don't care what the website says, I'm gonna eat the entire box, then go buy another tomorrow. If somebody wants to share, they can buy their own box.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: pwhodges on 14 Feb 2018, 00:57
And that's the real reason I've got this big belly...
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Gyrre on 14 Feb 2018, 02:29
I note that Marigold is wearing a hoodie devoid of nerdisms.
Also her acne is nearly gone.

Is she (ulp) maturing?
Laundry day hoodie.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Gyrre on 14 Feb 2018, 02:36
Now, about the treat itself... ((Checks Google)) Chocolate-covered breadsticks seems okay to me but fish-flavoured?!? Only Emily could think to offer such a thing to her friends! :-P

The various shrimp (prawn) flavored chips are pretty good, but for the love of whatever god/deity/higher-consciousness you believe in, DO NOT EAT THE LOBSTER FLAVORED ONES.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: JoeCovenant on 14 Feb 2018, 02:53

Hmmm... Isn't that a bit... forward... of Dale asking "where's my present" ???

But more oddly...
Why are Dales glasses not *white* in the two previous strips when it's just him and Emily...
But they turn white when Marigold comes in to CoD???

Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Tova on 14 Feb 2018, 03:00
His tongue is firmly in his cheek. Look at that smirk.

Why are Dales glasses not *white* in the two previous strips when it's just him and Emily...
But they turn white when Marigold comes in to CoD???

That is odd. I, uh, won't be thinking too hard about that one. Suspect it is not deliberate.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 14 Feb 2018, 04:53

Hmmm... Isn't that a bit... forward... of Dale asking "where's my present" ???

But more oddly...
Why are Dales glasses not *white* in the two previous strips when it's just him and Emily...
But they turn white when Marigold comes in to CoD???

The answer is Anime rules.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: ckridge on 14 Feb 2018, 06:53
Emily is being remarkably socially adept for a giddy goofball here. She has affirmed them as a couple, given them a gift to share as a couple, and deepened the affection between them by giving Marigold a chance to be a good girlfriend. Marigold is going to have to work really hard if she wants to get jealous now. It could be that this is just niceness on Emily's part instead of cleverness, and an example of why being a good person works better than initially seems plausible.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Case on 14 Feb 2018, 06:58
Emily is being remarkably socially adept for a giddy goofball here. She has affirmed them as a couple, given them a gift to share as a couple, and deepened the affection between them by giving Marigold a chance to be a good girlfriend. Marigold is going to have to work really hard if she wants to get jealous now. It could be that this is just niceness on Emily's part instead of cleverness, and an example of why being a good person works better than initially seems plausible.

Methinks that's "Ambiguous Innocence" (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AmbiguousInnocence). Like Corporal Carrot Ironfoundersson (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/DiscworldCityWatch) of the Ankh-Morporkh City Watch. Or River "Also? I can kill you with my brain" Tam ...
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: shanejayell on 14 Feb 2018, 07:01
Pocky game!

Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: ckridge on 14 Feb 2018, 07:33

Methinks that's "Ambiguous Innocence" (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AmbiguousInnocence).

Could be. Or what the Victorians called wise innocence: actual innocence that permits unclouded vision of what people are feeling and fearless action to set wrong things right.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: OldGoat on 14 Feb 2018, 09:04
Take one, Dale, just one.  Then Marigold can say she shared them and Emily won't feel bad about not getting you some, too.

(What's so bad about the lobster flavored ones?)
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Timemaster on 14 Feb 2018, 09:47
Weird japanese treats!  :-D
I once had some that looked like little black fish made from salty licorice. I like salty licorice. So I had one.
It turned out to be a real little dried fish, black and salty. With fishbone and entrails. Tasting exactly the way you would imagine. Like dry, salty dead fish!

I prefer Chocolate Pocky.

TM
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Case on 14 Feb 2018, 12:08
I notice nobody has yet commented on the part of 3676 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3676) that amused me most: Emily saying "Dang it, did I dream up another nonexistant media format?" Hmm, "another"? Is this something you do on a regular basis, Emily?  :psyduck:
Instead of media, it's places I've lived in or visited. Sometimes it's a place I've actually been but it's vastly different. My paternal grandma's old one-story house with a basement suddenly has two additional floors and at least one sub-basement. The first basement has several more rooms and there's at least 10 bathrooms in the place.

Can be anything with me: Most often it's details of family-lore, like the backstory to childhood pictures of me & sistermonster, or details of Grandpa's service with the Paratroopers. Me and Mom have different recollections of several events (in the latter example, obviously, recollections of previous second-hand recollections), and I'm not entirely sure whether I've 'retconned' some imaginary details into mine. It doesn't feel like it, but ...

TL;DR - I find Emily's 'Did I dream that up?'-comment far less remarkable than her telling another person about it. 
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Akima on 14 Feb 2018, 16:32
Family mythology is like that, especially with stories about the stories of Grandfathers. "Old men forget; yet all shall be forgot, but he'll remember, with advantages, what feats he did that day" on some bleak hilltop in Korea.

I have vivid memories of the block of flats my family lived in in Shanghai. When I went back years later, I found that the entire block had been demolished in part of the city's frantic development, so I couldn't confirm how far my childhood memories are accurate. The building, and in fact the entire neighbourhood, lives on only in memory now, however distorted.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Gyrre on 14 Feb 2018, 17:35
Take one, Dale, just one.  Then Marigold can say she shared them and Emily won't feel bad about not getting you some, too.

(What's so bad about the lobster flavored ones?)
Maybe it was just the brand that I got, but it tasted awful. I normally love Japanese junk food.

EDIT:  BTW, I think the "pregnancy belly" is Marigold's upper torso being bent back by the impact of Emily glomping her.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Gyrre on 14 Feb 2018, 17:47
I notice nobody has yet commented on the part of 3676 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3676) that amused me most: Emily saying "Dang it, did I dream up another nonexistant media format?" Hmm, "another"? Is this something you do on a regular basis, Emily?  :psyduck:
Instead of media, it's places I've lived in or visited. Sometimes it's a place I've actually been but it's vastly different. My paternal grandma's old one-story house with a basement suddenly has two additional floors and at least one sub-basement. The first basement has several more rooms and there's at least 10 bathrooms in the place.

Can be anything with me: Most often it's details of family-lore, like the backstory to childhood pictures of me & sistermonster, or details of Grandpa's service with the Paratroopers. Me and Mom have different recollections of several events (in the latter example, obviously, recollections of previous second-hand recollections), and I'm not entirely sure whether I've 'retconned' some imaginary details into mine. It doesn't feel like it, but ...

TL;DR - I find Emily's 'Did I dream that up?'-comment far less remarkable than her telling another person about it.
Ever had that dream where an IRL dead relative is still alive and they're offended that everyone thought the had died?
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 14 Feb 2018, 17:57
.... for the love of whatever god/deity/higher-consciousness you believe in, DO NOT EAT THE LOBSTER FLAVORED ONES.

Lobster Nut Crunch. An actual candy. I saved a wrapper as proof.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: cesium133 on 14 Feb 2018, 17:59
New comic, and Marigold is definitely jealous. Plus, Dale's glasses are both light and dark in this comic. Definitely deliberate. Perhaps it reflects the distance between Dale and Marigold.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: A Duck on 14 Feb 2018, 18:14
Oh boy, poor Marigold. Poor Dale.

Marigold has been shown to be very insecure in regards to Dale already. Remember how she flipped out when May first showed up in her chassis?

What will make or break this situation is how Dale reacts. I know he wouldn't do any of the things Marigold's Oglaf-flavoured brain thinks he would, but if he reacts too defensively because of that he might as well just scream "I AM CHEATING ON YOU" on her eyes. Speaking from experience here

And we know Dale is also not exactly very good on the "interpersonal relationship" area. He might as well just react in exactly the worst way possible. Probably will, the comic needs some drama to keep things going.


Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: SmilingCat on 14 Feb 2018, 18:29
Is it weird that I kinda imagine that's how Emily would attempt sexy talk?

(Not so much those pants, though. I mean, imagine if the thong got caught on something while you were walking...)
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: SpanielBear on 14 Feb 2018, 18:36
And we know Dale is also not exactly very good on the "interpersonal relationship" area. He might as well just react in exactly the worst way possible. Probably will, the comic needs some drama to keep things going.

"Oh Drama-Drama-Drama-Drama-Drama Chame-li-on,
You come and go,
You come and go,oo-oh

Mari would be happy if she didn't always see
through shades of green
through shades of gree-ee-een"
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Case on 14 Feb 2018, 18:56

Oh Marbear, don't go there ...



"Oh Drama-Drama-Drama-Drama-Drama Chame-li-on,
You come and go,
You come and go,oo-oh

Mari would be happy if she didn't always see
through shades of green
through shades of gree-ee-een"

Earworm-insertion successfully completed.

Thank you!

Nono, I REALLY MEAN IT!

NOT BEING SARCASTIC AT ALL ... !  :x
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: SpanielBear on 14 Feb 2018, 19:03

Oh Marbear, don't go there ...



"Oh Drama-Drama-Drama-Drama-Drama Chame-li-on,
You come and go,
You come and go,oo-oh

Mari would be happy if she didn't always see
through shades of green
through shades of gree-ee-een"

Earworm-insertion successfully completed.

Thank you!

Nono, I REALLY MEAN IT!

NOT BEING SARCASTIC AT ALL ... !  :x

*SpanielBear wonders if he can get away with pastiche-ing "You're Welcome", but decides instead to maybe just leave while he has all his limbs attached.*
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: zisraelsen on 14 Feb 2018, 19:04
The truly sad part is, no matter how Marigold thinks she feels, no matter what she tells herself...

The fishy treats became too fishy when they received any level of fishiness
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: St.Clair on 14 Feb 2018, 19:51
Late to start of thread, but I'm pretty sure I have this saved from previous times it's been discussed, here and elsewhere:

My parents had quite the collection of vinyl, as well as a few reel-to-reel magtapes and 8-tracks.  My music format (and poll choice) was the cassette tape, which I only reluctantly (and later than most) gave up for CDs.  I've also had the chance to handle music boxes, player piano rolls, etc.

I never did get around to replacing the vast majority of my video library - somewhere in the neighborhood of a hundred VHS tapes, I'd guess - with DVDs, let alone Blu-Ray(s).  And yes, I do still have working players for both of the former.

These days, of course, most data lives on hard drives and flash drives.  Even the notion of physical media and permanent ownership is becoming somewhat passe, in favor of streaming services who'd love to rent content to you in perpetuity... until they go out of business or drop that item from their library, of course.  I understand the forces at work, and a Walkman-branded mp3 player which can instantly jump to any of thousands of songs is definitely an improvement over the old cassette model I grew up with... but a part of me is a little sad to think I'll probably never see another media format dedicated solely to audio-visual data in my lifetime.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: shanejayell on 14 Feb 2018, 19:58
The bodies in the porno-vision bit.

 :? :-o

Eeeek.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: OldGoat on 14 Feb 2018, 20:23
Is it weird that I kinda imagine that's how Emily would attempt sexy talk?

(Not so much those pants, though. I mean, imagine if the thong got caught on something while you were walking...)
I'd better not.  I'll get in trouble for imagining that.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: brasca on 14 Feb 2018, 21:35
The bodies in the porno-vision bit.

 :? :-o

Eeeek.

But they talk like characters from her own fanfic.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Tova on 14 Feb 2018, 22:43
Funny that.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: cloudatlatl on 14 Feb 2018, 22:57
We've seen jealousy before, but have we ever seen a QC character actually cheat on a relationship?
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: BenRG on 14 Feb 2018, 23:15
Marigold's low self-esteem is really kicking in strongly at the moment, isn't it? Either she's feeling unusually jealous at the moment for some reason or there is something that's making her feel extra insecure about Dale's feelings for her. I mean, the way she turned Emily from 'tall and gangly' into 'curvy vixen' inside her paranoid fantasy-world probably tells us a lot about how distorted her perceptions are at the moment!

So, the obvious question up for debate is: Why? In truth, I think it was just something inevitable for someone with Marigold's very insecure personality. She's fully aware  that she's not perfect and is convinced that, because of this, no-one would want to spend too much time around her. Being abandoned is a deep and profound fear on her part.

Oh, by the way, I'm signing her up for fanfic-writing courses with Claire. The dialogue in that fantasy didn't even manage to achieve 'cheesy'.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 14 Feb 2018, 23:28
We've seen jealousy before, but have we ever seen a QC character actually cheat on a relationship?

.....Sven....
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Emperor Norton on 14 Feb 2018, 23:29
... I know I'm supposed to be focusing on the drama, but all I can think is how much it would hurt to try to make a latte with your dick.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 14 Feb 2018, 23:39
You could say it would hurt a latte.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Gyrre on 14 Feb 2018, 23:49
New comic, and Marigold is definitely jealous. Plus, Dale's glasses are both light and dark in this comic. Definitely deliberate. Perhaps it reflects the distance between Dale and Marigold.
His glasses are Google glass ready. How has everyone forgotten that? I imagine he had been looming up the fish pocky.

Is it weird that I kinda imagine that's how Emily would attempt sexy talk?

(Not so much those pants, though. I mean, imagine if the thong got caught on something while you were walking...)
She's already going to have lower back issues from standing like that. That thong catching on anything will just make matters worse.  :-P
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: gopher on 15 Feb 2018, 01:31
These kind of thoughts ended badly for Dora. Hopefully this story will go better for all.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Cornelius on 15 Feb 2018, 01:36
Will Momo have to intervene again?
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: BenRG on 15 Feb 2018, 01:39
Given the picture that Jeph put on his Twitter feed this week, I'm expecting some tough love from May.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Storel on 15 Feb 2018, 01:43
I notice nobody has yet commented on the part of 3676 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3676) that amused me most: Emily saying "Dang it, did I dream up another nonexistant media format?" Hmm, "another"? Is this something you do on a regular basis, Emily?  :psyduck:
Instead of media, it's places I've lived in or visited. Sometimes it's a place I've actually been but it's vastly different. My paternal grandma's old one-story house with a basement suddenly has two additional floors and at least one sub-basement. The first basement has several more rooms and there's at least 10 bathrooms in the place.

Hmm, that only happens to me in dreams. For example, I used to have an occasionally-recurring dream that involved secret tunnels or passageways immediately connecting three places that, in RL, are all several miles apart from each other. In the dreams, though, they were all physically adjacent to each other.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: jwhouk on 15 Feb 2018, 03:13
We've seen jealousy before, but have we ever seen a QC character actually cheat on a relationship?

S... v... e... n...
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: A Duck on 15 Feb 2018, 04:12
We haven't seen Sven in a while, right? Have we even seen him after the last timeskip?

The biggest, and certainly most incredibly painful and cast-wrecking, outcome of all of this would be Marigold doing something she shouldn't because of her insecurity. While it is a thing that could probably happen, I don't see the character going that route. Or Jeph being that much chaotic evil with his characters. He's not David Willis.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Jakk Frost on 15 Feb 2018, 04:40
"It's very Oglaf-colored in Marigold's brain"

Well what else would you expect from a fujoshi?
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: traroth on 15 Feb 2018, 04:48
So I think we can safely conclude Marigold doesn't know Emily very well...
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: cloudatlatl on 15 Feb 2018, 05:35
We've seen jealousy before, but have we ever seen a QC character actually cheat on a relationship?

.....Sven....

Okay, this is a technicality, but that was not an established exclusive relationship.  So if that's the only example of cheating in QC, we still have never seen cheating in the context of an established, official, monogamous relationship.
I know it would destroy our characters emotionally but that's what Jeph does, and here's how I see it playing out: Emily is just a fun, spontaneous person.  She once kissed Marten out of nowhere, and maybe she has more of an 'open' concept of love and relationships, where she doesn't feel monogamy fits her, and she would rather just express love in each moment as she feels it.  Dale is inexperienced in relationships, and because Emily is the more socially aggressive of the two, I could see him going along with it if Emily starts explaining her thoughts on free love and non-monogamy, so in the moment he doesn't feel like he's actively choosing to cheat on Marigold, but that's what he does, and that is absolutely how Marigold sees it.
This is probably not how this scene is going to play out, but that's just what's been going through my head while reading this week's strips
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: JoeCovenant on 15 Feb 2018, 05:55
So I think we can safely conclude Marigold doesn't know Emily very well...

If she is of the jealous bent, knowing Emily better would make little difference.
Jealousy isn't logical.

I had an ex who's mind worked exactly like Marigolds... even so far as to have the conversations similar to above in her head... except she then acted as if those conversations took place. Loved her to bits... but stealing my mobile - (and knowing I was going out of my mind thinking I had lost it) - to trawl through it for ANY messages to any female friends, and then replying to those messages with "words of affection" to see if she got similar responses back, was the last straw...

Scariest part? She kinda looked like Marigold!
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: tut21 on 15 Feb 2018, 06:04
I wouldn't be sad if Marigold went away for several years until she grew up.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: cesium133 on 15 Feb 2018, 06:05
New comic, and Marigold is definitely jealous. Plus, Dale's glasses are both light and dark in this comic. Definitely deliberate. Perhaps it reflects the distance between Dale and Marigold.
His glasses are Google glass ready. How has everyone forgotten that? I imagine he had been looming up the fish pocky.
I hadn't forgotten. I was just considering that he seemed to turn them on the instant Marigold walked in.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: ckridge on 15 Feb 2018, 06:25
If Marigold has a shred of self-knowledge, she will see that her mind is torturing her for no reason. However, she has largely outsourced self-knowledge to Momo, and Momo is off at her job. Dale could in principle reassure her, but Dale has not shown himself articulate in matters of the heart. Emily is largely an unknown quantity, but has hitherto shown little but spontaneous good will, and it does not look like that is going to be enough here.

The good part is that Marigold is unlikely to spend months or years suffering secret fears silently. The bad part is that she is likely to share the suffering all around.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: ckridge on 15 Feb 2018, 06:31
Heh. In Dale's place, I would steal Sven's line: "Emily? Nah. Once you hit this, everything else looks flat," with "this" punctuated by a hug. It is often more convincing to present yourself as a bad guy who likes what he likes than as a good guy.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: sitnspin on 15 Feb 2018, 06:46
Sven didn't cheat because he was never in an exclusive relationship.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 15 Feb 2018, 06:50
Quote from: atlatl
Okay, this is a technicality, but that was not an established exclusive relationship.  So if that's the only example of cheating in QC, we still have never seen cheating in the context of an established, official, monogamous relationship.

That is accurate about the Gina Riversmith situation.

Genevieve certainly didn't expect to be two-timed and Sven acted like he knew he had done something wrong.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 15 Feb 2018, 06:52
Anyone remember the details of Tai going behind the back of one lover? Did that woman think it was monogamous?
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Thrudd on 15 Feb 2018, 06:58
The lettering on the packaging had me confused.
Savory fish I had originally read as Sparkly Fish and as Japan is quite creative(?) when it comes to snack products I was confused and concerned.
Even more so with the resulting rose colored hallucinations.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 15 Feb 2018, 08:07
We've seen jealousy before, but have we ever seen a QC character actually cheat on a relationship?

.....Sven....

Okay, this is a technicality, but that was not an established exclusive relationship.  So if that's the only example of cheating in QC, we still have never seen cheating in the context of an established, official, monogamous relationship.

Faye and Sven may not have been dating in the conventional sense, in fact, their entire relationship prior to the Gina Riversmith incident was wholly unconventional.

But it still stung Faye when Sven admitted he had sex with Gina.

But lets look at how things played out. Sven has sex with Gina, where he knew he was in trouble. Sven wants to sweep the whole thing under the carpet, with him eventually trying to justify the whole thing as they weren't in a monogamous relationship.

Key point here, if you're in any kind of relationship, its not an open relationship unless you both have a mature discussion.

But yes, Sven wanted to hide the indiscretion only for his intern to guilt him into being a decent human being. When he reveals to Faye what he did (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1341), she goes from excited to destroyed in four panels.

Theirs was an unconventional relationship but it was a relationship, because you don't sleep with someone repeatedly without building some sort of connection. And that was one Sven destroyed by sleeping with another woman.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: OldGoat on 15 Feb 2018, 08:34
"I did NOT sleep with her.  Eight hours and neither one of us got so much as a wink."
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Welu on 15 Feb 2018, 09:43
Faye did clearly say if Sven slept with someone else, that their thing would be over.  (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1307) The boundary was set and Sven was aware while it was happening (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1334) that he was doing something he shouldn't be doing.

So even though Sven says he didn't agree to be monogamous, it doesn't seem he ever expressed that to Faye even when she said that was her expectation. (Edit: Actually rereading that comic, he does jokingly suggest he doesn't agree, but yeah, a serious conversation like Castlerook said could have helped that situation)
Or more like he just didn't plan further ahead than in the moment and hadn't considered the consequences of what Faye said and assumed everything would just work out.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: themacnut on 15 Feb 2018, 10:13
If Marigold has a shred of self-knowledge, she will see that her mind is torturing her for no reason. However, she has largely outsourced self-knowledge to Momo, and Momo is off at her job. Dale could in principle reassure her, but Dale has not shown himself articulate in matters of the heart.

Marigold is already imagining Dale and Emily engaging is sexy talk; I think at this point Marigold's too far gone into her own jealous fantasies for anything Dale does or says to make it better. Next strip will likely be her going off on them like the volcano Mt Jealousy, belching hot green lava all over the place. Then she'll run off, leaving Dale and Emily standing there all confused, scorched and smoking.

Heh. In Dale's place, I would steal Sven's line: "Emily? Nah. Once you hit this, everything else looks flat," with "this" punctuated by a hug. It is often more convincing to present yourself as a bad guy who likes what he likes than as a good guy.

Heh, I would've punctuated "this" with a nice loud slap on her butt. The surprise and embarrassment might, I repeat might, be enough to shake her out of her jealous fugue. The idea is to transfer her anger from an imagined slight to a more "real" one, and then be totally unapologetic to keep her anger focused there until it faded. I don't think Dale has the social chops to pull that off though.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: ckridge on 15 Feb 2018, 10:36
No, me neither. You have to have spent time on both sides of this fight and made all the elementary errors a few times each.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: heyjames4 on 15 Feb 2018, 10:49
I'm not familiar with coffee grinders.
Is on top of the coffee grinder while its running like on top of a washing machine?
Or is there more exposed industrial parts, for the thrill of danger?
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: brasca on 15 Feb 2018, 10:56
Marigold's low self-esteem is really kicking in strongly at the moment, isn't it? Either she's feeling unusually jealous at the moment for some reason or there is something that's making her feel extra insecure about Dale's feelings for her. I mean, the way she turned Emily from 'tall and gangly' into 'curvy vixen' inside her paranoid fantasy-world probably tells us a lot about how distorted her perceptions are at the moment!

So, the obvious question up for debate is: Why? In truth, I think it was just something inevitable for someone with Marigold's very insecure personality. She's fully aware  that she's not perfect and is convinced that, because of this, no-one would want to spend too much time around her. Being abandoned is a deep and profound fear on her part.

Oh, by the way, I'm signing her up for fanfic-writing courses with Claire. The dialogue in that fantasy didn't even manage to achieve 'cheesy'.

Marigold still has the mentality of her high school self after all these years.  She thinks men don’t find her desirable because of imagined ugliness instead of excessive geekiness and a tendency to ignore hygiene.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: ckridge on 15 Feb 2018, 11:06
Also, she is hot without being hot in a high-status way, which is a condition likely to have gotten her abuse from just about every single quarter.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Shjade on 15 Feb 2018, 13:24
Anyone remember the details of Tai going behind the back of one lover? Did that woman think it was monogamous?

That happened?

The only big relationship upset I recall with Tai was her asking a lover to go monogamous and the lover kinda blowing up at her for it.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: StevenC on 15 Feb 2018, 14:15
Latte means boner in German.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: zmeiat_joro on 15 Feb 2018, 16:33
Here in Bulgaria, I have only encountered that kind of snack in the coastal areas. As in dried and salted fish.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: brasca on 15 Feb 2018, 17:08
Also, she is hot without being hot in a high-status way, which is a condition likely to have gotten her abuse from just about every single quarter.

Indeed.  And plenty of people have told her as much, but she still thinks of herself as the girl who the popular girls put a frog down her shirt.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: SpanielBear on 15 Feb 2018, 20:17
Comic!

That thing you stepped on, Dale? The thing that went click?

Landmine. Good luck! *runs*
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Cornelius on 15 Feb 2018, 20:29
Not exactly the right answer. Especially not keeping in mind Marigold is insecure enough to have walked out on their date, because she thought he had done just that.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Tova on 15 Feb 2018, 20:35
Dale's being a little oblivious here.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 15 Feb 2018, 20:42
Oh no....All of Dale's savviness must have been located in his facial hair! He's lost all his powers now that he's clean shaven! HE'S DOOOOOOOOOOOMED!
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Smallest on 15 Feb 2018, 20:43
These couple pages are just reminding me more and more of why I don't like Marigold.

(the main, biggest, reason is how she casually tried to manipulate Momo over her chassis, and the most minor, nothing reason is her use of the word wiener)
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: zisraelsen on 15 Feb 2018, 20:58
I can only hope Dale will pick up on the boldface type of Marigold's "no reason" in that last panel so her jealousy can at least be addressed before it evolves into something dangerous, as jealousy does.

I also don't really understand the distaste for Marigold here. Maybe it's because I struggle with low self esteem in very similar ways to her, but I find her endearing.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Gyrre on 15 Feb 2018, 21:03
Dale, no!!!!

The correct answer is "But not as pretty as you." followed by a forehead kisses.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Tova on 15 Feb 2018, 21:23
She would not have believed that.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: MrNumbers on 15 Feb 2018, 22:42
The thing about obliviousness is its honesty.

He's not trying to take evasive action because he doesn't realize there's any need for it.

... though Emily and Dale would make an extremely cute couple, I have to admit.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Timemaster on 15 Feb 2018, 22:46
Dale is oblivious, good hearted and honest. A typical male in his natural state.
"Yes, she's pretty. So what? That doesn't mean I'm into her."

I'm single for almost ten years now. And I'm happy that way. Stories like this remind me why I'm very content with my personal situation: because I don't have to put every fucking word I say on jewelers scales before mentioning it to my girlfriend!

Timemaster
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: BenRG on 15 Feb 2018, 23:11
So, I find myself really wondering what's Marigold's angle here. We know she's insecure and we know that had difficulty believing in Dale's feelings for her. However, why now? What has so set her off that she's basically looking for signs that Dale is cheating with Emily of all people?

This whole arc so far has been all about how poor communication kills relationships. Marigold isn't telling Dale that she feels insecure. Does she think it's silly? Or, is this one of those wonderful recursive paranoiac reasoning patterns where she feels he ought to know what she's talking about because he is so obviously cheating on her and she's referring to that in an indirect way? Marigold has tied herself into a knot and Dale, being Dale, can't read her mind and see what she's talking about because it is literally not something that he's considered!
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: anahata on 16 Feb 2018, 00:42
What I'm trying to figure out is whether this is pathological jealousy in Marigold or something really going on with Dale and Emily.

Pathological jealousy can be a nasty pervasive condition that's hard to treat or control, and isn't fixed by 'going away and growing up' if it's real and chronic. Marigold has the kind of insecurity that makes her a candidate for that, and Dale's going to have a hard time if he's going to be living with it (as I did for several years, until it was safe to escape)
On the other hand, the first scene with Dale and Emily in the COD looked like the sort of high-energy flirtation that could develop into a lot more, in which case Marigold's concerns are quite legitimate.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: traroth on 16 Feb 2018, 00:47
Wrong answer, Dale. The right answer was "Not as pretty as you, babe!"
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: gopher on 16 Feb 2018, 01:00
What I'm trying to figure out is whether this is pathological jealousy in Marigold or something really going on with Dale and Emily.

Pathological jealousy can be a nasty pervasive condition that's hard to treat or control, and isn't fixed by 'going away and growing up' if it's real and chronic. Marigold has the kind of insecurity that makes her a candidate for that, and Dale's going to have a hard time if he's going to be living with it (as I did for several years, until it was safe to escape)
On the other hand, the first scene with Dale and Emily in the COD looked like the sort of high-energy flirtation that could develop into a lot more, in which case Marigold's concerns are quite legitimate.

You say High-energy flirtation, I say typical Coffee of Doom banter.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: swapna on 16 Feb 2018, 02:27
I can only hope Dale will pick up on the boldface type of Marigold's "no reason" in that last panel so her jealousy can at least be addressed before it evolves into something dangerous, as jealousy does.

I also don't really understand the distaste for Marigold here. Maybe it's because I struggle with low self esteem in very similar ways to her, but I find her endearing.

As one of the people who aren't as endeared by Marigold: her low self-esteem is a very relatable character trait, but the way she chooses to make other people suffer for it is annoying. Dale has no idea what's going on, and he's at the same level of social awkwardness as Marigold so she knows he needs things clearly spelled out just as she does.
So, armed with that knowledge,what does she do? She runs him through an interrogation about Emily while giving him no clue about the context. Charming. 
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: MrNumbers on 16 Feb 2018, 02:43
I think more important than that, and carrying on from what I was saying about incautious writing -

This would be way more palatable if this wasn't Marigold's introduction back into the strip. Like, one week of showing us why Marigold is likable and interesting before diving into this plot would make this way more interesting to me.

As it is, it's just presumed she's a likable character, so that kind of groundwork -- the "Save the cat moment" as Blake Snyder, a terrible writer but a fantastic giver of writing advice, would put it -- is skipped over. When that would really be making these last few strips more impactful.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Shjade on 16 Feb 2018, 03:04
So, I find myself really wondering what's Marigold's angle here.

I'm confused about why you'd expect jealousy to have an angle.

She walked in on Dale having fun with an attractive, available, intelligent young woman whom he sees most days of the week and had a gut reaction to it, and she's the type who dwells on those gut reactions rather than let them pass.

"It's not that deep," as they say.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Welu on 16 Feb 2018, 05:18
I've been in Marigold's situation here. I used to be very insecure and jealous and I would ask testing questions to see what would be said. I honestly didn't even realise I was doing it in hope of getting some kind of correct answer, which most of the time there wasn't one because either I got the "wrong" answer or didn't believe the "correct" one.

So my bias means I'm giving Marigold the benefit of the doubt that she's inexperienced and she doesn't totally realise what she's doing. On the other hand though I want to shake her and make her get past what used to be one of my big flaws.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Case on 16 Feb 2018, 06:06
Dale's being a little oblivious here.


No! Waaaaay!!!
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: traroth on 16 Feb 2018, 06:25
So, I find myself really wondering what's Marigold's angle here.

I'm confused about why you'd expect jealousy to have an angle.

She walked in on Dale having fun with an attractive, available, intelligent young woman whom he sees most days of the week and had a gut reaction to it, and she's the type who dwells on those gut reactions rather than let them pass.

"It's not that deep," as they say.

The "available" part is not so sure. Emily declined Clinton's offer for a date.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 16 Feb 2018, 06:52
It doesn't really matter that Emily's too busy to date. All Marigold is seeing is someone Dale works with who he has fun with, is female and isn't seeing anyone. That's enough for jealousy and insecurity to take over. It also means it doesn't matter what answers Dale gave to the questions, Marigold is going to interpreter them in the way that make sense to her jealousy, or just assume Dale is lying. That's the thing about insecurity and jealousy... They don't obey logical rules.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: traroth on 16 Feb 2018, 07:02
I disagree. Not everybody goes this far in that matter. Some people actually believe denials.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: shanejayell on 16 Feb 2018, 07:05
"How could you tell you were in Canada?>"

"Everyone was so NICE!"

Well, it's not WRONG....  :-D :laugh:
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: yaksaregreat on 16 Feb 2018, 07:18
Jeph loves Marigold so much, he forgets to show how lovable she might be in the comics... if he had, I might forgive her, but she's seriously selfish, presumptuous, and jealous! She doesn't appreciate Hannelore, she doesn't give Dale the benefit of the doubt-- she's been one of my least favorites from the start.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Case on 16 Feb 2018, 07:21
What I'm trying to figure out is whether this is pathological jealousy in Marigold or something really going on with Dale and Emily. Pathological jealousy can be a nasty pervasive condition that's hard to treat or control, and isn't fixed by 'going away and growing up' if it's real and chronic.
...

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Pathological jealousy, also known as Morbid jealousy, Othello syndrome or delusional jealousy, is a psychological disorder in which a person is preoccupied with the thought that their spouse or sexual partner is being unfaithful without having any real proof, along with socially unacceptable or abnormal behaviour related to these thoughts. The most common cited forms of psychopathology in morbid jealousy are delusions and obsessions. It is considered a subtype of delusional disorder.

Some symptoms of pathological jealousy include:[citation needed]
   
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathological_jealousy

Hmmmmmh ... IDK, 'delusional' is not the first word I'd associate with Marbear.



No mental health expert, not a recommendation for people with actual mental health trouble!!! -> When you know something is wrong, GET! HELP!

X is functional and safe to those around her. X has deficits in her contact with reality. She is by her own assessment weird, but we must avoid pathologizing weirdness.

I think that when considering possible symptoms of mental disorders of fictional characters, it would be good to keep in mind the clinical significance criterion for what constitutes a mental disorder, first introduced in version IV of the "Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders":

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"causes clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning".

"Significant distress or impairment", k?

Generally speaking: My (!) impression (!!) is that many people who have little personal experience with mental health problems tend to underestimate the scale of symptoms in an actual sufferer as compared to what an ordinary healthy person experiences in their daily lives. Again: "(Clinically) significant distress or impairment"

A lot of the most common mental health stuff isn't thinking you're the second coming of Christ, or that you can fly or whatnot (though ... there's people to whom that happens, too) - it's more about the way rather ordinary thoughts and emotions are processed. So when Joe Everyman browses through a list of clinical symptoms of most any disorder (except the really heavy psychiatric ones), he will find things that look superficially like stuff he experiences in his daily lives - the difference is in the scale and the degree of impairment to their lives.

Example OCD: Everybody experiences Obsession and Compulsion. Those are normal human experiences. The difference is in the "Disorder" - meaning the symptoms are on a scale that they seriously impair your personal and/or professional life.
Yes, the latter actually happened to someone diagnosed with OCD -> me. I was 16. It felt like "watching myself go insane, in full possession of all my mental faculties" (Note: OCD is ego-dystonous. Means it "feels wrong". Not all disorders are like that.). It was extremely scary.


Personal opinion: Guys, it's a very big step to seek help for mental health trouble. This "pathologizing rather innocuous behaviour of fictional characters" ... I don't think it's helping.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 16 Feb 2018, 07:51
I disagree. Not everybody goes this far in that matter. Some people actually believe denials.

There's a ideal in law called "The Reasonable Person" focusing on how a typical person, with ordinary prudence, would act in certain circumstances.

Marigold in this instance is not a "reasonable person". She is someone who has extremely low self esteem, has had her expectations crushed before and from what we've gleamed in the past, suffered terribly from bullying. Bear in mind that Emily is the polar opposite of Marigold; tall, thin, someone who is extremely easy to get along with and funny. For someone like Marigold, with that kind of low self esteem, it can be crushing to see a partner getting along so well with someone like that. The fact that Marigold's mind went to an Oglaf-esque scenario indicates that its going to be very difficult for Dale to actually get through to his girlfriend and quash this sense of jealousy.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 16 Feb 2018, 08:47
Anyone remember the details of Tai going behind the back of one lover? Did that woman think it was monogamous?

That happened?

The only big relationship upset I recall with Tai was her asking a lover to go monogamous and the lover kinda blowing up at her for it.

Found it. It's complicated (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=815).
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 16 Feb 2018, 08:50
Quote from: Case
"Significant distress or impairment", k?

Does Emily experience clinically significant distress or impairment?

She's the one to ask of course. Without her input I think we could argue it either way.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Case on 16 Feb 2018, 09:07
Quote from: Case
"Significant distress or impairment", k?

Does Emily experience clinically significant distress or impairment?

She's the one to ask of course. Without her input I think we could argue it either way.

Ok, I was a bit worried about that misunderstanding:

1) I chose OCD as an example, because I have personal experience with it. However, OCD is one of the illnesses where the afflicted themselves have a pretty good idea about "shit being significantly wrong"; intrusive thoughts in OCD are ego-dystonous, they are experienced by the afflicted as being alien to their own personality.

(An OCDer obsessing about hurting others will highly likely never actually hurt others, because even the thought is so distressing to them, to a degree that some choose voluntary social isolation to eliminate any risk of their ever hurting someone. With OCD, you know something is wrong. I obviously can't speak for every afflicted, but for me, there was no question about "significant distress" -> "HELLF***KINGYEAH! Something is definitely wrong here!" is what 16yo Case would have told you. I experienced the thoughts, their topics, their intensity, and their persistent intrusiveness as frightening, alien, inappropriate and bizarre.)

That doesn't mean that everybody experiencing any sort of mental health trouble will notice something is wrong, or be the first to notice. Not all mental illnesses are experienced as ego-dystonous. In fact, the wiki about "pathological jealousy" states that the feelings and thoughts are experienced as ego-syntonous - "it's not me who's acting inappropriate, the others are lying/have no clue". Or the afflicted may lack the capacity to evaluate their behaviour. I've read that many people with Narcissistic Personality Disorder don't seek help before their behaviour has had serious repercussions for them -> Getting fired from jobs, spouses leaving etc.

(There's one prominent psychiatrist who was intimately involved with creating the DSM-IV who objects to labelling Donald Trump as NPD for precisely this reason: Trump has never sought help for his behaviour, he does not seem distressed by it and apparently it works great for him.)

My statement is that I'd translate "(clinically) significant distress or impairment" as implying "Someone, either the afflicted themselves, or somebody in their social/professional circle tends to notice that something is seriously wrong"

Not every moody, obnoxious, self-obsessed female teenager suffers from Borderline Personality Disorder. Teenagers are sociopathic little monsters, what else is new? No, your sorting your record collection according to the Dewey Decimal system is probably not sufficient for a diagnosis with OCD, you're just a geeky librarian and that's one thing I like about you. No, I don't think you might 'have' ADHD, I think you should probably get more sleep.

2) Impairment is probably more of an objective criterion than distress. Even in cases where the afflicted themselves know something is wrong, they can reduce distress by arranging their lives in such a way as to avoid stressors. But that reduction of distress is bought with impairment -> you're giving up pieces of your life.

3) Notice the 'clinical' before the 'significant' - methinks that means: 'Significant in the opinion of a qualified mental health expert'. But getting an opinion from a qualified mental health expert usually implies that either the afflicted, or someone around them has come to the conclusion that "something is seriously wrong here". Shrinks don't usually wander the streets in search of people to diagnose with a mental illness - people come to them, not the other way round.


TL;DR - IICIH, get a copy of the DSM or ICD-10 and just browse through it. I promise you that there' at least one disorder whose symptoms make you go "Wait a minute ...". That could mean ... anything, really. I'd guess that most likely it means that you're a normal, healthy person.


Without her input I think we could argue it either way.

Ok, I ... think I have made clear my opinion that I have a problem with the "arguing either way", with "pathologizing weirdness". Made it clear several times, in fact.

Beyond that: Even an certified expert with tons of clinical experience - a.k.a. "person who can actually make a diagnosis about head-trouble whose opinion has more weight than that of the guy chewing off your ear in the bar next door" - could only ever diagnose Jeph. Far as I know, jwhouk, being an experienced counsellor, is the only forumite who comes even close to that.

Emily and Marigold are fictional characters. Even if Jeph would think that they are living with a mental health disorder - and I don't see evidence for that - all that anyone could possibly diagnose would be Jeph's idea of that disorder.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: themacnut on 16 Feb 2018, 09:39
Huh, I was expecting this comic to be Marigold going off like a volcano; guess Jeph is still doing the build-up to that point. Poor Dale, he has no idea of the minefield he just stepped into, and is probably unlikely to be able to defuse it before it all goes off.

This seems to be building to their first big-and-possibly-relationship-breaking fight. One possible ending of this is Marigold preemptively dumping Dale for cheating, and Dale being left standing there wondering what just happened.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: ckridge on 16 Feb 2018, 10:07
I, too, had expected Marigold to go right off, and, as often happens, I was wrong.

I think the primary narrative work in this strip is done by the drawing, particularly of Marigold's little anxious face in the first panel. She looks like she feels doomed, and that Dale isn't even to blame because he is making the rational choice. She looks like she is stating his case for him. Of course someone as wonderful as Dale belongs with someone as wonderful as Emily.

I hope that I am wrong again, because if Jeph is really doing this, it is both masterful and just too sad. If this is what he is doing, I might as well go off and read a Coetzee novel and cry myself to sleep.

Lucid despair might get her a long way if she decides to fight with everything in her power even though she is doomed to lose, but I don't want that to happen. I want her to flip her shit completely and throw a tantrum. Lucid determined despair is just too hard. She is only a kid.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Morituri on 16 Feb 2018, 10:41
I'm not expecting Marigold to go off;  I'm expecting her to suffer and be afraid and not have any idea that there's a way to express her feelings without losing Dale, and turn it inward on herself until her guts are twisted around and she starts getting sick all the time. She's not in a place that's confident enough for an angry outburst, or even for cutting sarcasm.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Case on 16 Feb 2018, 10:47
I disagree. Not everybody goes this far in that matter. Some people actually believe denials.

There's a ideal in law called "The Reasonable Person" focusing on how a typical person, with ordinary prudence, would act in certain circumstances.

Marigold in this instance is not a "reasonable person".

Not objecting to your characterization of Marigold (I think it's spot on) - just wanted to add that our capitalist/market economy/enter favouritetermhere societies put significant resources into ensuring that most women (and not a few men) feel precisely that way about themselves, their bodies, their behaviour, the degree of happiness/contentness. What better way to ensure there's demand for your product than by creating it? What easier way to create demand than by telling people they are deficient?

Yes, it is most definitely unreasonable, sometimes bordering on pathological even - but it's sadly also normal.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Zebediah on 16 Feb 2018, 10:48
I’m hoping there’s a “Momo to the rescue” component to this story, because Momo is the one person who can tell Marigold what an idiot she’s being. (Well, May could and would do that too, but Momo is the one she would listen to.)
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 16 Feb 2018, 11:47
So this started with someone suggesting Emily needs help.

She apparently didn't have friends before "We've adopted another one". Major impairment compared to baseline, and social isolation causes organic problems in the long run. That points one way.

Her employer, her friends, and everyone we've seen her dating do not seem concerned. That points the other way.

Case, would it help if I rephrased it as "not all weird people need help"? 'Cause that is what I'm trying to say. Emily is certainly weird. That's not by itself enough data to show mental illness.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 16 Feb 2018, 12:42
I disagree. Not everybody goes this far in that matter. Some people actually believe denials.

There's a ideal in law called "The Reasonable Person" focusing on how a typical person, with ordinary prudence, would act in certain circumstances.

Marigold in this instance is not a "reasonable person".

Not objecting to your characterization of Marigold (I think it's spot on) - just wanted to add that our capitalist/market economy/enter favouritetermhere societies put significant resources into ensuring that most women (and not a few men) feel precisely that way about themselves, their bodies, their behaviour, the degree of happiness/contentness. What better way to ensure there's demand for your product than by creating it? What easier way to create demand than by telling people they are deficient?

Yes, it is most definitely unreasonable, sometimes bordering on pathological even - but it's sadly also normal.

The "Reasonable Person" is the legal concept for the everyman; someone who obeys the law, tries to do the right thing. So for example the "Reasonable Person" is someone who doesn't text while driving, they aren't careless. Essentially, its the idea of how the law would like everyone to act.

What I was saying was in response to Traroth's comment that not everyone would act like Marigold, but the point is that Marigold isn't everyone.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Case on 16 Feb 2018, 12:56
So this started with someone suggesting Emily needs help.

She apparently didn't have friends before "We've adopted another one". Major impairment compared to baseline, and social isolation causes organic problems in the long run. That points one way.

Her employer, her friends, and everyone we've seen her dating do not seem concerned. That points the other way.

Personally, I think of her as "the smart, weird one". Then again, I'm an academic with two entries in the DSM-V about the way my headmeat works. My baseline is ... well.  :-D

The way I think of Emily is largely the way she seems to think of herself: She is the way she is, and that's (mostly) a good thing. She could learn to pay a little more attention to paradigm-changing consequences of her research before the MiB turn up and impound it.

Case, would it help if I rephrased it as "not all weird people need help"? 'Cause that is what I'm trying to say. Emily is certainly weird. That's not by itself enough data to show mental illness.

Sure ... or stick with "we should avoid pathologizing weirdness", I like that one. Note that I wasn't objecting to anything you said - actually, I rather liked the post of yours I quoted above (https://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,34007.msg1399174.html#msg1399174), and so did seven others. I was just using it as a starting point - you and Paul are pretty good at concise summarizing, so I borrowed. I'm generally not a friend of 'armchair diagnostics' and every once in a while, I 'harumph' a bit about it.

Was talking with you, not against you.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: OldGoat on 16 Feb 2018, 15:28

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Pathological jealousy, also known as Morbid jealousy, Othello syndrome or delusional jealousy, is a psychological disorder in which a person is preoccupied with the thought that their spouse or sexual partner is being unfaithful without having any real proof, along with socially unacceptable or abnormal behaviour related to these thoughts. The most common cited forms of psychopathology in morbid jealousy are delusions and obsessions. It is considered a subtype of delusional disorder.

Some symptoms of pathological jealousy include:[citation needed]
   
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathological_jealousy


These are also ever so typical of perpetrators of domestic violence.
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Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: hedgie on 16 Feb 2018, 15:34
I’m hoping there’s a “Momo to the rescue” component to this story, because Momo is the one person who can tell Marigold what an idiot she’s being. (Well, May could and would do that too, but Momo is the one she would listen to.)

Momo is also quite capable of zapping some sense into Marigold if need be.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 16 Feb 2018, 15:51
I’m hoping there’s a “Momo to the rescue” component to this story, because Momo is the one person who can tell Marigold what an idiot she’s being. (Well, May could and would do that too, but Momo is the one she would listen to.)

Momo is also quite capable of zapping some sense into Marigold if need be.

Not to mention, if May shouted loudly enough, she might fall apart at the joints.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: SpanielBear on 16 Feb 2018, 16:11

These are also ever so typical of perpetrators of domestic violence.
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I would be *gobsmacked* if that is the direction the comic is going. I know I was calling for the Drama Chameleon earlier, but I'm pretty sure that meant wacky relationship highjinks, not lifetime tv!

Seriously, I understand that people don't like certain characters, but can we perhaps draw a bloody breath between "dislike" and "I'm pretty sure she's gonna kill that puppy!"??
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 16 Feb 2018, 17:14
I took it as a public service announcement rather than a forecast.

Not that it's going to happen in the strip but it does happen in real life and it's useful to know the warning signs.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: SpanielBear on 16 Feb 2018, 17:33
Agreed, it was the bit in spoilers I was responding to.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Tova on 17 Feb 2018, 01:59
What I'm trying to figure out is whether this is pathological jealousy in Marigold or something really going on with Dale and Emily. Pathological jealousy can be a nasty pervasive condition that's hard to treat or control, and isn't fixed by 'going away and growing up' if it's real and chronic.
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Pathological jealousy, also known as Morbid jealousy, Othello syndrome or delusional jealousy, is a psychological disorder in which a person is preoccupied with the thought that their spouse or sexual partner is being unfaithful without having any real proof, along with socially unacceptable or abnormal behaviour related to these thoughts. The most common cited forms of psychopathology in morbid jealousy are delusions and obsessions. It is considered a subtype of delusional disorder.

Some symptoms of pathological jealousy include:[citation needed]
   
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathological_jealousy

Hmmmmmh ... IDK, 'delusional' is not the first word I'd associate with Marbear.

We're also in no position to characterise her jealousy as a preoccupation or as obsessive, which seems to me to be a key characteristic.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Smallest on 17 Feb 2018, 03:21
I can only hope Dale will pick up on the boldface type of Marigold's "no reason" in that last panel so her jealousy can at least be addressed before it evolves into something dangerous, as jealousy does.

I also don't really understand the distaste for Marigold here. Maybe it's because I struggle with low self esteem in very similar ways to her, but I find her endearing.

As one of the people who aren't as endeared by Marigold: her low self-esteem is a very relatable character trait, but the way she chooses to make other people suffer for it is annoying. Dale has no idea what's going on, and he's at the same level of social awkwardness as Marigold so she knows he needs things clearly spelled out just as she does.
So, armed with that knowledge,what does she do? She runs him through an interrogation about Emily while giving him no clue about the context. Charming.

Thank you for wording this. Now on to read a page and a half of comments between your post and where this posts.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 17 Feb 2018, 08:40
I too hope Momo hears about this and intervenes.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: OldGoat on 17 Feb 2018, 15:06

Seriously, I understand that people don't like certain characters, but can we perhaps draw a bloody breath between "dislike" and "I'm pretty sure she's gonna kill that puppy!"??
Are you saying I'm accusing Marigold of being a potential puppy squisher or that I dislike her?  Uh, no.  I'm saying that if Jeph is going to tackle domestic violence in this arc (which he may or may not do), don't be surprised if he has Marigold acting out.

She's a figment of Jeph's imagination.  They're ALL figments of Jeph's imagination, figments that he shares with us.  They must be pretty entertaining figments since so many of us follow their lives, but they're all figments, none the less.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Tova on 17 Feb 2018, 15:54
I'm with SpanielBear. I'd be more than surprised. I'd be dumbfounded. You're drawing a verrry long bow from one instance of jealousy all the way to domestic violence.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: SpanielBear on 17 Feb 2018, 16:09
Fair enough. I was reacting in part to what others were saying, and I thought you were casting blame before the crime. I get... irritated by that. Yeah I get they're all fictional, but I still empathise. Seriously, if you think I'm bad anthropomorphising webcomic characters, you should see me around dogs! I take your point though. I apologise for leaping down your throat. I think it was your use of the phrase "don't be surprised" in your original post. To me that sounded like it was behaviour you were expecting from Marigold. Clearly I took that the wrong way, though. I don't like characters being blamed for stuff they haven't done, but if that wasn't what you were implying it's my bad for not reading more carefully.

Edit: Warning: While you were typing, someone else has posted to agree with the point you are now apologising for.

Well.

This is awkward.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: anahata on 18 Feb 2018, 00:50

We're also in no position to characterise her jealousy as a preoccupation or as obsessive, which seems to me to be a key characteristic.

True, and my introduction of the topic was based only on her jealousy possibly having no real external cause (i.e. Dale might not actually be having/planning an affair with Emily). And it was only a speculation about whether it was that or not. We certainly can't tell yet.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Tova on 18 Feb 2018, 01:25

We're also in no position to characterise her jealousy as a preoccupation or as obsessive, which seems to me to be a key characteristic.

True, and my introduction of the topic was based only on her jealousy possibly having no real external cause (i.e. Dale might not actually be having/planning an affair with Emily).

Jealousy doesn't require a real external cause. Jealousy in a relationship fundamentally is a fear of loss, and jealousy with real or imagined cause is just jealousy.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 18 Feb 2018, 13:30
A domestic violence story would be uncharacteristically dark.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 18 Feb 2018, 13:46
And it would be an incredibly divisive one at that, more so than any previous storyline or character.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Case on 18 Feb 2018, 14:45
A domestic violence story would be uncharacteristically dark.

In my my post above (https://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,34007.msg1399448.html#msg1399448), I quoted that Wiki-article about 'pathological jealousy', along with the respective symptom-list, in order to point out: "Look at what 'pathological jealousy' means! Does this sound like Marigold? Not to me, it doesn't"

Apparently, that rebuttal to the theory that Marigold might be suffering a heavy-duty psychiatric disorder was taken as evidence for speculation whether Marigold might start abusing Dale ... ? :psyduck:


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Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 18 Feb 2018, 15:15
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Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Nepiophage on 18 Feb 2018, 16:20
So, to summarise the last few weeks’ forums:

Tilly is evil
Evie is evil
Marigold is evil

Next week’s poll should be — who is going to be evil this week?
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 18 Feb 2018, 16:28
So, to summarise the last few weeks’ forums:

Tilly is evil
Evie is evil
Marigold is evil

Next week’s poll should be — who is going to be evil this week?

I think that's a gross simplification and a somewhat insulting attitude towards members of the forum.

Tilly was a over-enthusiastic assistant who had been put into a rather difficult position by their employer. Granted, they were a little grating but they were still needed for the next stage in Hanners' story.

Evie was someone who had the knowledge of her chosen field but not the wisdom to use it properly and inadvertently hurt Bubbles' with her attitude. But they do say that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

Marigold is a confused young woman who has been victimised repeatedly from what we've been able to gleam from her past. As such, she's going to be suspicious about the better things in her life. Its not a healthy attitude to have, but its an understandable one for someone who has had her experiences to have.

Its one thing to take part in the discussions but its another thing to come in weeks after the fact and summarise several weeks into nine words that gloss over what was said by people. In fact, like I said, its a little insulting.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 18 Feb 2018, 17:51
It's a long-standing pattern that people react intensely to the characters and sometimes the reactions are negative. There were more of those than usual the last few weeks. (mod)Hoping we can get back to normal ...(/)
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3676 to 3680 (12th to 16th February 2018)
Post by: jwhouk on 18 Feb 2018, 19:55
Sorry, wasn't gonna go there for the poll for the new week. Sorry.