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Title: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Welu on 21 May 2018, 05:27
Since the last thread hasn't been posted in for a while, plus it's getting near the hundred page mark AND it's a new storyline time, I figured it's an appropriate time for Part Two.

This thread can also be used to talk about anything else of David Willis' work: Shortpacked!, Roomies, It's Walky, etc.

However when talking about works other than DoA or showing and talking about preview panels, use spoilers. Please and thank you.


Dumbing of Age has gone into flashback (http://www.dumbingofage.com/2018/comic/book-8/04-of-mike-and-men/villains/) and it's starting out very creepy.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: BenRG on 21 May 2018, 06:38
I'm hoping that this current arc will finally explain how the cartoonishly and seemingly motivelessly evil Mike came to be who he is shown to be. I'm wondering if it's all going to turn out to be Ethan and Amber's fault.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: JoeCovenant on 21 May 2018, 06:41

Today's strip had me shouting a very loud mental "YES!"

Mike's  "Origin Story", surely!?
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Welu on 22 May 2018, 07:17
That's a little more like the Mike we know.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: zisraelsen on 28 May 2018, 21:41
I hate Mike every time he shows up. From my perspective, his one character note reads "is a dick" and that makes him boring and unlikable. Am I missing something?
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: BenRG on 28 May 2018, 23:39
Am I missing something?

There is a huge fan movement looking for redeeming qualities and who are sure he is someone sad and lonely who just needs to find the right person to make him somewhat a better person.

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Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: sitnspin on 28 May 2018, 23:47
That and they think he does all these terrible things with the secret motivation of helping his victims grow.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Method of Madness on 15 Jun 2018, 11:48
Ben, please tag that Shortpacked spoiler. Thank you.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Method of Madness on 20 Jun 2018, 07:12
Holy shit, that teacher hit him? Why do I have a feeling that teacher having no consequences for doing so will be a part of Mike becoming Mike? :/
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: BenRG on 20 Jun 2018, 07:30
I suspect that these events taught Mike that there were two sorts of people in the world: monsters and monsters that hid behind the masks of people. He decided that he would dedicate his life to provoking people into tearing off their masks and seeing themselves as the monsters that they are.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Neko_Ali on 20 Jun 2018, 07:32
Or  he's an asshole who likes provoking people.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Welu on 20 Jun 2018, 07:47
I want to clarify the reason there's a spoiler request for previous Willis work in the OP of the thread, like there was in the last thread, is because lots of people have only read Dumbing of Age, but are aware past Willis work has a strong influence on characters and relationships in the current work.
It doesn't matter if it's "years old" if you haven't read it, and catching up is difficult if you wish to do so since it's not all online in an easily accessible way and is almost two decades of work all together.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Method of Madness on 24 Jun 2018, 22:14
Thank you, Welu.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: JoeCovenant on 26 Jun 2018, 00:44
Starting to get the feeling DoA is dragging things out ridiculously slowly.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: BenRG on 26 Jun 2018, 01:25
Willis has the instincts of a sitcom writer in many ways. He tends to write out significant conversations or interactions in long form. Unfortunately, he is also attempting to tell the cast's stories in as much detail as possible so that every chapter is a day. Consequently, the story progresses very slowly. He has had the occasional complaint about it.

FWIW, I get the impression that Dumbing of Age is a sort of self-therapy for him, so I don't think it matters so much to him what his readers think of his methods.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Welu on 05 Jul 2018, 14:10
Today's strip (http://www.dumbingofage.com/2018/comic/book-8/04-of-mike-and-men/commune/), and that panel with Jacob looking dreamily while saying "I know." has me going oh dear. It's the first big moment for me that has me worried for his relationship with Raidah. Even though Sarah has been trying for a while to break them up, I thought Jacob was pretty set and happy with his current situation but this could be the moment where he starts realising he really likes Joyce. Also worried because he seems like he'll put himself through a lot of turmoil if he develops feelings for someone else while in a relationship.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: BenRG on 05 Jul 2018, 23:27
Ben's Opinion:
Whilst Jacob likes Raidah and sees her as a partner, there isn't emotional closeness between them in the scenes we've seen; it's more like coworker relationship. His attraction to Joyce is something else altogether: We've yet to see any indication that there is any depth beyond their mutual teasing but I think he sees her as a girl with whom he can have fun, something that I think is absent from his interactions with Raidah. Both options are suboptmal, IMO.

One can't help but be concerned Joyce may be setting herself up for heart-break if she's perceiving this as 'true love'. I don't think it is and, Joyce being Joyce, a friendship (and possibly 'friends with benefits') based purely on 'let's have fun together' would probably end up hurting her emotionally.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: JoeCovenant on 06 Jul 2018, 04:24
Ben's Opinion:
Whilst Jacob likes Raidah and sees her as a partner, there isn't emotional closeness between them in the scenes we've seen; it's more like coworker relationship.

I don't think we've seen remotely enough of Jacob and Raidah together to make any judgement on what their relationship is like.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: LeeC on 13 Jul 2018, 08:43
Somewhat random question/opinion request:

They are talking about the picture bible...but do you suppose Joyce has seen Life of Brian?
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: BenRG on 13 Jul 2018, 08:48
They are talking about the picture bible...but do you suppose Joyce has seen Life of Brian?

Only the DVD cover as it was tossed onto a blazing bonfire!
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: LeeC on 13 Jul 2018, 12:42
They are talking about the picture bible...but do you suppose Joyce has seen Life of Brian?

Only the DVD cover as it was tossed onto a blazing bonfire!

But why, he never said he was the messiah?  :angel:

(you're probably right about the burning though)
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Neko_Ali on 13 Jul 2018, 14:10
It's still making a mockery of something her family takes Very Seriously. I don't think Joyce or any of the other kids in their little cult-adjacent group has seen a lot of popular media under the idea that it's heretical or corrupting. A key point in maintaining fanatical followers is making sure they never have a chance or reason to question what you say, so you need to severely limit their access to outside information.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Method of Madness on 14 Jul 2018, 06:09
Is Amber surprised that Walky did a bit of detective work before she did, or did Walky break some sort of Twitter protocol that I'm not aware of? I honestly can't tell. (Also can't tell if this is public or if he direct messaged her, I haven't actively used Twitter in a few years.) Also, I'm kind of surprised Walky used his real name as his Twitter name.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Welu on 14 Jul 2018, 13:23
I think it's that he's making contact outside of the context of the Garbage Roof that surprised Amber.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Theta9 on 15 Jul 2018, 06:49
 :laugh: I love when Walky says "weenus". I've only ever seen Frank Zappa say "weenus" before.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Method of Madness on 15 Jul 2018, 10:14
Isnít it the skin that hangs from your elbow?
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: cesium133 on 16 Jul 2018, 08:07
I see where this story is going (well, probably everyone does), and Willis would be evil enough to do this, wouldn't he? What better way to break both Dorothy's and Danny's minds at the same time...
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Welu on 28 Jul 2018, 16:25
I'm really liking the last few pages with Dorothy and Joyce. Seeing Joyce struggling with facing her thoughts and feelings, and Dorothy being openly disappointed but willing to talk through feels like a very real interaction.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Theta9 on 28 Jul 2018, 18:26
Weenus  :-D
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Welu on 30 Jul 2018, 12:27
Holy shit, Mike. (http://www.dumbingofage.com/2018/comic/book-8/04-of-mike-and-men/receipts/)

Willis' alt text
(click to show/hide)
sums it up well.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: LeeC on 22 Aug 2018, 09:41
Wait...so like...wait...so...um....wait...so...is Amber...crushing on Walky?  :psyduck:

I may be reading too much into her facial expressions.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: cesium133 on 22 Aug 2018, 09:49
I'm pretty sure she is. I'm not sure how Walky feels about it. And I do think Willis is headed in that direction. It would really mess with Dorothy, and it would give Danny a reason to move ahead with Ethan... just in time for him to find Ethan with Mike.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Theta9 on 22 Aug 2018, 10:16
Wait...so like...wait...so...um....wait...so...is Amber...crushing on Walky?  :psyduck:

I may be reading too much into her facial expressions.
Does everyone Dorothy breaks up with, move on to Amber?
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: JoeCovenant on 23 Aug 2018, 01:13
Wait...so like...wait...so...um....wait...so...is Amber...crushing on Walky?  :psyduck:

I may be reading too much into her facial expressions.
Does everyone Dorothy breaks up with, move on to Amber?

Nah...
Just Walky moves on to everyone Danny breaks up with..

Personally, I'm feeling very *Meh* about Amber & Walky.
And for the same reasons as I felt about Dorothy and Walky.

The dumping of Danny for reasons which don't seem to stop the next relationship to be with someone (Walky) who seems to at best no different and at worst, a worse partner. At least with Dorothy, she realised (maybe not consciously but the outcome was the same) that pretty much the same reasons she broke things off with Danny would eventually break up her and Walky.

I guess the difference with Amber is that it was Amazi-Girl who had the hots for Danny more than she did...(?)

Either way... this one is leaving me with a big "Meh!" going on.
(As much "Meh!" as a coupling of Danny and Ethan would raise, too)
(Which, really, is all down to me thinking the 'Original' Danny/Sal story was terribly sad, and that I'd love to see them together and happy in SOME rendition of these multi-verses!)
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: BenRG on 23 Aug 2018, 01:42
FWIW, I've got a bad feeling that this is all about Amber trying to live up to her 'I'm a Bad Girl' self-identity issues by having a disruptive slacker boyfriend. Not only might this hurt Walky but I also suspect that it's a forewarning of a serious and perhaps climactic crisis for Amber herself.

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Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: JoeCovenant on 23 Aug 2018, 01:48
FWIW, I've got a bad feeling that this is all about Amber trying to live up to her 'I'm a Bad Girl' self-identity issues by having a disruptive slacker boyfriend. Not only might this hurt Walky but I also suspect that it's a forewarning of a serious and perhaps climactic crisis for Amber herself.

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Yeah...
The whole Garbage Roof thing bothers me on all sorts of levels.
Mainly insofar as I don't think Walky truly attaches the same concrete definition of 'Garbage' to himself as Amber does to herself.

Walky thinks he just needs some time alone and wasn't too happy with himself.
Amber truly believes she is worthless garbage.    :cry:

This is gonna be a lot of things... I don't think "Fun" is one of them.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: LeeC on 23 Aug 2018, 06:22
Wait...so like...wait...so...um....wait...so...is Amber...crushing on Walky?  :psyduck:

I may be reading too much into her facial expressions.

Somebody better pick up that phone. Because I fukin called it!  :parrot:

Does Dorthy know Sal is Walky's twin sister? I know Dorthy and Sal have gone back to back with each other, but is Dorthy truly prepared for that kind of reveal?
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: sitnspin on 23 Aug 2018, 09:38
Wait...so like...wait...so...um....wait...so...is Amber...crushing on Walky?  :psyduck:

I may be reading too much into her facial expressions.
Does everyone Dorothy breaks up with, move on to Amber?
As far as we know, she's only dated two people. That is not a sufficient sample size to establish a pattern.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: BenRG on 24 Aug 2018, 01:38
I'm told on the comments section of today's strip (8/24/18) that the next chapter was originally going to be titled 'Walking With Sal'. Given it's actual title, I'm willing to speculate that it will be about something I've long wondered about. Maybe the next chapter will centre around Sal and Walky acting as both guides and support as Amber finally journeys to the centre of her psychological problems and confronts her demons in the Red Panels.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Theta9 on 24 Aug 2018, 06:40
Does Dorthy know Sal is Walky's twin sister? I know Dorthy and Sal have gone back to back with each other, but is Dorthy truly prepared for that kind of reveal?
Do you mean Dorothy, or Amber? I don't see Dorothy giving half a shit about Sal's relationship to Walky.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: LeeC on 24 Aug 2018, 06:59
Does Dorthy know Sal is Walky's twin sister? I know Dorthy and Sal have gone back to back with each other, but is Dorthy truly prepared for that kind of reveal?
Do you mean Dorothy, or Amber? I don't see Dorothy giving half a shit about Sal's relationship to Walky.
Yes, Amber.  Sorry. The little one hasn't let me sleep much lately and my brain has been on the fritz.

I am laughing that I brought Sal up and was curious on how Amber would feel and it looks like I am getting my question answered.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Method of Madness on 25 Aug 2018, 02:45
Well, she knows now.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: LeeC on 25 Aug 2018, 12:37
That middle panel with Amber's reaction...priceless
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Method of Madness on 26 Aug 2018, 07:29
Sal regrets telling Walky to be honest.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: JoeCovenant on 28 Aug 2018, 01:06

Hmmm...
Walky holds actual doorstop.
Which transforms into the "doorstop" burrito...??

Knife/Mobile Phone...??
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: BenRG on 28 Aug 2018, 01:12
Right now, I think that Amber needs Walky the goof. The question is whether he can be Walky the supporter or Walky the carer if she needs him to be that?
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: LeeC on 28 Aug 2018, 06:13
D'awww
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: LeeC on 30 Aug 2018, 06:24
Joyce is exploring...and doesn't seem to be thrilled about it by the end of the strip. She looks to be conflicted.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: BenRG on 30 Aug 2018, 06:55
She's found a porn video of Joe, who is sort of her friend, having sex with Roz deSanto, who I think she despises. 'Mixed feelings' is barely an adequate description of her reaction.

FWIW, I think that she's going to beg Joe, as an experienced lover whom she more-or-less trusts, to 'break her duck'. Refusing her (as a friend should) will be the hardest thing that I suspect Joe will have ever done.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: JoeCovenant on 30 Aug 2018, 08:32
She's found a porn video of Joe, who is sort of her friend, having sex with Roz deSanto, who I think she despises. 'Mixed feelings' is barely an adequate description of her reaction.

FWIW, I think that she's going to beg Joe, as an experienced lover whom she more-or-less trusts, to 'break her duck'. Refusing her (as a friend should) will be the hardest thing that I suspect Joe will have ever done.

But...
It *could* lead to an actual proper relationship.
You all know me... I hate the shipping thing...
But Joe and Joyce? Seems they would be good for each other.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: LeeC on 30 Aug 2018, 09:16
I don't know. Joe seems to be thinking himself out at this point.  I think he'd feel weird about it. I think Joyce would do some self exploration before getting to the point of actually having sex but who knows.  Its a very interesting situation for her to be in at this point in her life.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: LeeC on 31 Aug 2018, 07:03
Looking back at the end of book 8.  Joyce is blushing and biting her lip in panel 2.  Maybe she's not having mixed feelings about them so much as her own internal "lust." I'm speculating of course and can't wait to find out.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Method of Madness on 02 Sep 2018, 06:01
Can someone with a better memory than me remind me if we actually saw Marcie get hurt, or at least whatever led up to it?
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: BenRG on 02 Sep 2018, 06:09
We've seen the aftermath of the incident - Marcie down amongst broken concrete and rebar and Sal having to be pulled off of Leyland. However, as of yet we can only infer the exact circumstances.

It's funny that Sal has a Secret Origin story so similar to many mainstream superheroes and costumed vigilantes: "Never again." Meanwhile, Amber/Amazi-Girl fits into a different trope, similar to some interpretations of Batman: "I must find a good outlet for my darkness."

Being a superhero story nerd, I can't help but be attracted to the idea of the two of them teaming up, at least for a little while, as a kind of team therapy.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: cesium133 on 02 Sep 2018, 06:34
That was before the incident that took Marcie's voice  (http://www.dumbingofage.com/2016/comic/book-7/01-glower-vacuum/balances/). My guess is that Leland took his revenge on Sal grabbing him by the neck by strangling Marcie. And he'll face no punishment for it because he's a "nice kid" and she's an "illegal".
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Theta9 on 04 Sep 2018, 09:32
Being a superhero story nerd, I can't help but be attracted to the idea of [Amber and Sal] teaming up, at least for a little while, as a kind of team therapy.
Which seems to be happening now. And how it's happening is lost on me. Last I remembered, Sal and AG are still contentious, and Amber is triggered at the mere sight of Sal. Did I miss or forget something?
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: sitnspin on 04 Sep 2018, 12:25
Being a superhero story nerd, I can't help but be attracted to the idea of [Amber and Sal] teaming up, at least for a little while, as a kind of team therapy.
Which seems to be happening now. And how it's happening is lost on me. Last I remembered, Sal and AG are still contentious, and Amber is triggered at the mere sight of Sal. Did I miss or forget something!
They made up after the fight at the campaign rally and chasing down Slash Face.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: BenRG on 16 Sep 2018, 10:07
Am I the only one who is beginning to get the strangest feeling that there is going to be a series of improbable events at the end of which, Joyce finds herself having essentially been backed into adopting Fuck-face the Iguana? At least partly for the lulz of watching her try to handle his name?
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: dutchrvl on 25 Sep 2018, 11:28
Am I the only one who is beginning to get the strangest feeling that there is going to be a series of improbable events at the end of which, Joyce finds herself having essentially been backed into adopting Fuck-face the Iguana? At least partly for the lulz of watching her try to handle his name?

Maybe, but if she adopts him she would likely just rename him (just like most pet-adopters do).
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: cesium133 on 25 Sep 2018, 11:38
Fudgeface!
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: dutchrvl on 25 Sep 2018, 12:02
Fudgeface!

Funface!
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Theta9 on 25 Sep 2018, 13:32
"You also seem to be picking up a lot of Dorothy's cast-offs" (http://www.dumbingofage.com/2018/comic/book-9-comic/01-flyin-to-the-red/subconscious/)

Ethan sees it too! It's not just me!  :-D
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Welu on 05 Oct 2018, 04:51
Oh dang, I don't know what Ethan is going to day to Sal but I hope it goes as well as it can.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: BenRG on 05 Oct 2018, 05:15
FWIW, I don't think that Ethan knows exactly what he's going to say yet. Its just that the time has come when he's got to say something for the sake of Amber's mental health.

I'm thinking that he's going to find that that night is as bad a memory for his assailant as it was for him.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Welu on 16 Oct 2018, 08:08
I didn't expect Sal to be doing her solo hold up straight after the first one as a lookout. She's very desperate to help her friend.

It's interesting to compare Sal's strip (http://www.dumbingofage.com/2018/comic/book-9-comic/01-flyin-to-the-red/holdup/) with the flashback from Amber's perspective (http://www.dumbingofage.com/2013/comic/book-4/01-the-only-dope-for-me-is-you/same/). I wonder how much the subtle differences are intentional based on the viewpoint or just the difference and growth of Willis' art style.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: BenRG on 16 Oct 2018, 08:11
I doubt that Amber was really able to perceive how frightened and upset Sal was at that moment. That's the big revelation of this current arc: That Sal walked into that gas station and pretty much had a flashback-induced episode there and then. More importantly, she was not a rebellious little thug but a frightened, desperate little girl trying to help her best friend after basically being ordered to abandon her by her parents.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: LeeC on 18 Oct 2018, 06:15
I like that Sal not only realized everything and ran back to find Ethan, but actually found Ethan, realized that reaching out to grab him was a bad idea and that she shouldn't call him Apples anymore. With how things have been at times I expected her to not find Ethan at first and wallow in sadness for a bit.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: BenRG on 25 Oct 2018, 03:12
Am I the only one who thinks Willis is amusing himself by hinting (but never confirming) that Joyce is a psychic (telepathy, suggestion, telekinesis and teleportation)?
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Pilchard123 on 31 Oct 2018, 01:50
Behold! My totally accurate dinosauria! (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20181031)
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Theta9 on 31 Oct 2018, 07:24
Behold! My totally accurate dinosauria! (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20181031)
Damnit you got here first!

Dina's a spark!  :lol:
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: 94ssd on 01 Nov 2018, 16:10
I know what you may be thinking, 'aw, Walky and Amber are so cute together.' But I can tell you I've had that exact same "we both suck, let's be garbage together' relationship and it didn't end very well.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Theta9 on 02 Nov 2018, 12:25
I know what you may be thinking, 'aw, Walky and Amber are so cute together.' But I can tell you I've had that exact same "we both suck, let's be garbage together' relationship and it didn't end very well.
To say nothing of the fact that Billie and Ruth have tried it already.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: jwhouk on 03 Nov 2018, 10:33
So - did anyone happen to notice a cameo on Girl Genius (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20181031) this week?
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: sitnspin on 03 Nov 2018, 12:02
The last time I had one of those "let's be garbage together" relationships it basically turned out like Ruth and Billie but significantly more self-destructive and decidedly less emotionally supportive, also in my case the girl stalked me, threatened to kill someone I care about, and a few weeks later killed herself.

Suffice to say, this is not a healthy relationship dynamic.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Theta9 on 03 Nov 2018, 13:26
So - did anyone happen to notice a cameo on Girl Genius (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20181031) this week?
Yes. (https://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,34103.msg1415679.html#msg1415679)
Title: DAMN YOU, WILLIS!!!!!
Post by: Theta9 on 10 Nov 2018, 07:32
Damn you, Willis!
You update your comic DoA every day, which makes me disappointed when I check for a new QC on Saturday morning and there isn't one.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: zisraelsen on 11 Nov 2018, 08:02
I do the same thing. I follow a bunch of webcomics and DoA is the only one that updates on weekends but it makes me do the update-search-dance for all the others too, just out of habit.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: cesium133 on 11 Nov 2018, 08:46
I'm disappointed that more comics seem to be dropping (or not maintaining) their RSS feeds. Makes it harder to see when they update, particularly if it's one that updates irregularly.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: JoeCovenant on 12 Nov 2018, 03:15

"Prove you're good enough to be my friend..."

Whut???
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: BenRG on 12 Nov 2018, 04:21
No, more of a case of: "Prove that you're not dependent on me to function and that you can build meaningful emotional and social connections with other people."
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: JoeCovenant on 12 Nov 2018, 06:39
No, more of a case of: "Prove that you're not dependent on me to function and that you can build meaningful emotional and social connections with other people."

... and I'll talk to you again... 

So - no support for you... til I feel you deserve it?
I'm not keen on the way this story is going - I LIKED Marcie a lot, this seems to be playing against type.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: sitnspin on 12 Nov 2018, 14:48
While I don't really like the way she's expressing it, I think I get where Marcie is coming from. Sal's behavior has consistently brought blowback onto Marcie. Marcie wants reassurance that she's not going to get caught in the blast radius again. I think she could stand to do a better job of communicating this with Sal
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: LeeC on 15 Nov 2018, 07:05
So, we've come full circle. In a way, we're back to the same standoff. Sal's face and glove removal just screams "uh oh" to me. The shit is hitting the fan.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Theta9 on 15 Nov 2018, 07:08
So that's why Sal is always wearing gloves.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: cesium133 on 15 Nov 2018, 07:25
Weird thought after seeing today's comic: If Sal never takes off her gloves, then does she wash her hands (particularly after using the bathroom)? I have a feeling that Sal and Hannelore would not be friends.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: LeeC on 15 Nov 2018, 07:32
She does. Its shown in a different strip from a long time ago that she puts her gloves on in the morning but cuts away or she's positioned a certain way so you can't see the scar.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: cesium133 on 15 Nov 2018, 07:54
I thought she had been depicted as wearing her gloves in bed.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: LeeC on 15 Nov 2018, 10:33
She usually does. I just remember reading the comments about one strip where we see her putting gloves on or positioning her so you couldn't see the un-gloved scar hand. There's too many strips to go through to find it so take this with the grainiest of salt grains.
 :wink:
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Theta9 on 15 Nov 2018, 16:15
Weird thought after seeing today's comic: If Sal never takes off her gloves, then does she wash her hands (particularly after using the bathroom)? I have a feeling that Sal and Hannelore would not be friends.
I'm sure she still washes her hands.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Theta9 on 17 Nov 2018, 13:32
Aw shit, IT'S GOING DOWN! My money's on Amber.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: cesium133 on 17 Nov 2018, 15:29
My money's on Marcie breaking up the fight and getting mauled by Amber, proving her point from earlier
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Welu on 17 Nov 2018, 16:12
The art in the last couple strips is gorgeous.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Theta9 on 17 Nov 2018, 17:52
My money's on Marcie breaking up the fight and getting mauled by Amber, proving her point from earlier

Marcie already left with Malaya, didn't she?
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Theta9 on 18 Nov 2018, 06:50
And they're off!
My money's still on Amber, but this is going to end with both of them in a lot of pain.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: cesium133 on 18 Nov 2018, 06:57
My money's on Marcie breaking up the fight and getting mauled by Amber, proving her point from earlier

Marcie already left with Malaya, didn't she?
She did, but it hasn't been long and the brawl will likely attract attention.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: JoeCovenant on 19 Nov 2018, 00:41

Go, Sal!

(This isn't gonna end well, is it?)    :cry:
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: BenRG on 19 Nov 2018, 01:49
Yeah, either Red Amber is going to come out to 'play' (i.e. kill Sal) or Willis is going to end up doing a rare but not unheard of comic trope where Sal beats Amber to a pulp and as she's about to finish her off, Amber whispers out that she wants to die to protect everyone from the monster Blaine created in her and that had first come out that night outside the convenience store.

There's no way I can see Sal or Amber being entirely the same after this. However, even if it doesn't end well, it may end better, if Amber and Sal both get help for their demons in some way.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Theta9 on 19 Nov 2018, 08:55
Oop, it's looking like I might lose money now.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: LeeC on 19 Nov 2018, 09:20
I'm waiting for a zoom out to the top of the building with Mike wringing his hands muttering "yes, all according to plan."
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Theta9 on 19 Nov 2018, 10:47
I'm waiting for a zoom out to the top of the building with Mike wringing his hands muttering "yes, all according to plan."
It is the sort of thing he might dream of doing, but pulling it off would require powers of foresight and manipulation that surpass those of Light Yagami in the original Death Note manga and anime.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: JoeCovenant on 20 Nov 2018, 00:55
Oop, it's looking like I might lose money now.

IIiii dunnno.
Don't think this is over yet...

(hope)
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: BenRG on 20 Nov 2018, 01:21
We've reached the point where Danny and Ethan need to pin Sal and Amber and for them and Dorothy to pound some sense and perspective into both combatants' heads with a suitably heavy and blunt instrument.

Sal - Yes, Amber stalked you and got you into the vigilante life. However, she didn't force you to do anything. You are the one who prioritised your anger and sense of violent grievance against the world's injustices over Marcie's needs. You decided that beating on bad guys was worth even her losing her job.

Amber - Yes, your life has been shit but Sal is not your enemy; Blaine's abuse and the damage it did to your mind and your emotional control are your enemies.

Both women have to understand that the other is not their enemy and never has been. If they can't tolerate each other enough to help themselves and the other heal, then they need to agree to keep away from each other in future.

You'll notice that I didn't address the issue of what happened that night at the convenience store. That's because, in a very real way, I don't think that either girl was entirely themselves. They were both in the process of finally coming loose from the end of a long tether and, whilst their choices were their own, I'm not entirely sure that either were capable or competent to make reasonable or proportionate choices at the moment.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Theta9 on 20 Nov 2018, 09:36
Oop, it's looking like I might lose money now.

IIiii dunnno.
Don't think this is over yet...
Yeah, today it's looking like my money is well safe. Amber's got Sal on the figurative ropes.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: BenRG on 21 Nov 2018, 01:25
Yeah, I think that  this is the point to intervene, Ethan. Mostly because, at this rate, one of them is going to kill the other!
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Theta9 on 21 Nov 2018, 07:33
...and another reversal! Sal is ascendant!
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: LeeC on 21 Nov 2018, 21:10
Cause, effect. Cause, effect...

Sal is coming to a head.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: BenRG on 21 Nov 2018, 23:17
I long suspected that there is a small and generally-repressed part of Amber that is suicidal. We saw it in her reckless (for her own safety) rescue of Becky. Now, with the very real possibility that someone will finally end all of her problems for good without her even having to do anything personally...? Well, she's almost happy with this outcome.

As for Sal, she's realising just how badly her every escalation has ever gone and she has to deal with the fact that, this time, she's about to murder a mentally-ill woman with only debatable control over her actions.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: JoeCovenant on 23 Nov 2018, 01:08

Why are people fixating on the fact that Sal had Amber in a (so-called) *choke hold*?
(And then exploding that into "attempted murder" etc...)

I can only think a lot of folk have never been in a stand up fight before!
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: BenRG on 23 Nov 2018, 02:55
Why are people fixating on the fact that Sal had Amber in a (so-called) *choke hold*?

Because it is fairly easy to go from a choke hold to 'choke to death', especially if the person doing it is angry and not monitoring the other's state. Additionally (and most importantly), I think that Amber wanted it to be 'to death'.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: sitnspin on 23 Nov 2018, 13:16
An improperly applied chokehold can easily turn fatal unintentionally. There was a case not so long ago in the States where a police officer put a detainee in a chokehold and the man died shortly thereafter as a result. It's really easy, especially when angry, to do serious damage that way.

That being said, I agree that a lot of readers are blowing it out of proportion and I don't think Sal was ever at serious risk of killing Amber, even if that's what Amber wanted.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Vurogj on 28 Nov 2018, 00:57
I guess I picked a REALLY good week to finally take Jeph's twitter hints and actually read DoA.

It's pretty freakin' good, right?

I'll just hang out for a bit and read the room before I contribute anything to the discussion tho.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: LeeC on 28 Nov 2018, 06:06
I can't explain it, but Sal's head scarf thing looks adorable on her. I wonder how many strips before Ruth shows up to mediate all this. Well at least there's fuckface right?
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: LeeC on 30 Nov 2018, 21:24
Anyone else noticing Dina's "Coffee of Doom" shirt?

Also I like that Sal is approaching this calm and cool. Amber is too wound up but I hope it passes with the talking of pachycephalosaurus.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Cornelius on 01 Dec 2018, 03:34
Maybe she got it off Emily a while ago. (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3766)

Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Theta9 on 01 Dec 2018, 13:05
My money's on Amber.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: LeeC on 01 Dec 2018, 21:46
Amber is too wound up but I hope it passes with the talking of pachycephalosaurus.
Not to toot my own horn or anything but...

(https://assets.infusionsoft.com/image/upload/v1/learn/images/Zz0wOTU3Y2M1NGY1MjJjOTFmMjcyNjY4ZWVmNWIwYmRlMw%3D%3D)
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: sitnspin on 01 Dec 2018, 22:02
Dina is the best.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Method of Madness on 03 Dec 2018, 18:10
So I realized this weekend that I was two months behind. And then soon I wasn't. I should come to the forum more, it was how I always remembered to read the new DoA, I rarely got more than a few days behind.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: LeeC on 04 Dec 2018, 21:11
Huzza! The pact has been sealed and the team has been formed.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Welu on 04 Dec 2018, 22:38
This went a lot better than expected. Good job, those two.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: JoeCovenant on 05 Dec 2018, 01:28

It seemed pretty obvious that they would follow the "We have battled - we are now friends!" route, but the additional Roller Derby denoument was class. (And Carla!)  :)

Marcie's smile made it all worth it, even if I *did* have problem with her "prove your worthy to be my friend" stance. :)


Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Theta9 on 05 Dec 2018, 07:47
My money's on Amber.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: JoeCovenant on 05 Dec 2018, 07:56
My money's on Amber.

You sure?
You lost the last one!  :)
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Theta9 on 05 Dec 2018, 12:42
My money's on Amber.

You sure?
You lost the last one!  :)
Double or nothing!
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Theta9 on 10 Dec 2018, 07:28
...in true Zen fashion, Mike is Mike.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Method of Madness on 26 Dec 2018, 06:04
It's still a nerd thing, Billie, it's just that "nerd" has been a meaningless word for years. Also wow, angery Joyce.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: LeeC on 26 Dec 2018, 06:24
"...what the shit, Walky?!"-Joyce 2018
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 08 Feb 2019, 05:28
Oh... OWWW! :cry: Today's strip (2/8/19) was brutal but so was the whole micro-arc of about three or four strips leading up to it. In the final few panels, Billie's desperate unspoken plea for Ruth to change her mind about drinking turning into resignation and then anger and then her just walking away with a curt accusation of ruining her plans for day followed by Ruth clearly just standing there for a few seconds before even beginning to think of a reply just cuts to the heart.

I count myself blessed that I've never had to handle a friend or loved one with a serious addiction like Billie's. I don't know if I'm wise enough or level-headed enough not to lose it with them too often and I know that's the worst thing that you can do.

It's rare that a strip cartoon can pile so much emotion into an edition but this was one of those times.
Title: Re: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: hedgie on 08 Feb 2019, 05:47
Billie is sure ruthless  :claireface:
Title: Re: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: LeeC on 08 Feb 2019, 06:41

I count myself blessed that I've never had to handle a friend or loved one with a serious addiction like Billie's. I don't know if I'm wise enough or level-headed enough not to lose it with them too often and I know that's the worst thing that you can do.

Been there. It wasn't easy.  If the other person doesn't recognize that they have a problem nothing will change.  They will also get defensive and/or aggressive if you address it too.

Honestly I think this is the best thing for Ruth. She is trying hard not to go to the bottle, and Billie was not making that easy. She needs a non drinking or at least understanding support network ... especially with her home situation.
Title: Re: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: JoeCovenant on 11 Feb 2019, 00:31

Hmmm...
Now what's going on here Amber/Sal/Danny?

I've made no secret that I always felt Danny/Sally relationship from an earlier version of the Walkyverse was cruelly torn apart, when neither of them really wanted it to be. I just believe they could be good together.

BUT, I'm wondering of Amber's casual "He needs someone good and pure", is about to lead into machinations to throw him and Joyce together...?

I'm not sure what I think of that.
Title: Re: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 11 Feb 2019, 01:08
BUT, I'm wondering of Amber's casual "He needs someone good and pure", is about to lead into machinations to throw him and Joyce together...?

I'm not sure what I think of that.

Some on Willis's own site have said the same thing.

It's interesting because, in the very first of Willis's strips in the Walkyverse, Roomies, Joyce was crushing on and stalking Danny. This didn't go anywhere because she was abducted, mindwiped and forcibly inducted into SEMME where she met Walky and imprinted on him. One of the stated objectives of Dumbing of Age from the start was Willis's desire to see what would happen to the characters if the war against the Aliens had never happened. Given th at DoA!Joyce is a very different person from the one she was portrayed as in Roomies, as is Danny, Willis may be intending to spend at least some time addressing whether time and maturity may have seen them work out together.
Title: Re: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 19 Feb 2019, 08:17
From today's strip (2/19), I desperately want Willis to illustrate a couple of scenes from Commander Julia Grey - Space Ace!. I'm sort of seeing Joyce in a sci-fi jumpsuit with Sal-style long hair, a 1950s-style ray gun and Jacob (in a similar sci-fi jumpsuit) clinging to her for safety.
Title: Re: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: LeeC on 01 Mar 2019, 08:33
I am glad Billie and Ruth are on the out. I feel like they both need different things than each other.
Title: Re: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 01 Mar 2019, 08:39
Yeah, they're both going to hurt for a long while but the fact is that they more-or-less only worked together when they were self-destructive co-dependents. That's not to say that they can't work together as they're trying to escape from their demons but Billie has got to admit that they are demons first and I don't think that she's ready for that yet.

Maybe the shock of Ruth not willing to compromise will make her think about her own issues more seriously. We'll have to wait and see.
Title: Re: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Theta9 on 02 Mar 2019, 07:24
Today's strip (2 March) ...

What the fuck?!  :?

Who or what is a "Rich Mullins"?
Title: Re: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: sitnspin on 02 Mar 2019, 08:16
I had the same question. From the comments section I gathered that he is a some sort of musician popular among evangelical christians.
Title: Re: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Theta9 on 02 Mar 2019, 12:30
I had the same question. From the comments section I gathered that he is a some sort of musician popular among evangelical christians.
And he apparently shows up in college classrooms, I guess?
Title: Re: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: sitnspin on 02 Mar 2019, 12:37
It's another Joyce dream sequence. There is no way Dotty would say that line in waking life.
Title: Re: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: cesium133 on 02 Mar 2019, 15:18
Joyce is dreaming this. (Additionally, it would be very improbable for Rich Mullins to show up in a college classroom, considering he's dead.)
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Method of Madness on 02 Mar 2019, 21:04
Didn't know who Rich Mullins was, but apparently he died before any of these characters were born (well, at least these characters as of a year or two ago).
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: LeeC on 02 Mar 2019, 22:03
Joyce is wigging out hard core. This dream may shake her up a bit for the next few in-comic days.  :-(
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Method of Madness on 04 Mar 2019, 21:15
This seems big.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: JoeCovenant on 05 Mar 2019, 01:31

So are we watching Joyce (read "Willis")'s extraction from God Bothering?

Part of me thinks it's a bit sudden, but.. you know... dramatic timing and all that.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: LeeC on 05 Mar 2019, 06:18
I am guessing (hoping) he is going to tell Joyce that the person she can trust and look to for guidance is herself. Or he leaves a cryptic message about it that sticks with her. Like Ghostface in the Boondocks, or the stereotypical Buddhist monk that imparts wisdom in the astral plane type deal.

Also, is anyone else noticing that Joyce's clothes change every few panels during this entire dream sequence?
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Theta9 on 05 Mar 2019, 07:41
I am guessing (hoping) he is going to tell Joyce that the person she can trust and look to for guidance is herself. Or he leaves a cryptic message about it that sticks with her. Like Ghostface in the Boondocks....
LOL "Why are you here? Ghostface Killah isn't dead!" I loved that show.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: LeeC on 06 Mar 2019, 06:33
Today's strip. Wow. Poor Joyce. Her world was shaken a bit before, but now its shook. I am invested in what is going to happen next for her.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: JoeCovenant on 08 Mar 2019, 00:49
Today's strip. Wow. Poor Joyce. Her world was shaken a bit before, but now its shook. I am invested in what is going to happen next for her.

And, of course, just as it gets interesting...

THE EXPLOITS OF BECKY!   :)

(I 'am' wondering if Joyce is going to run to her first about her own "crisis of faith".)
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Theta9 on 08 Mar 2019, 06:59
...did she ever get to have that Lesbian Brunch? With Lesbian Toast?
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Method of Madness on 11 Mar 2019, 21:50
Has Joyce always had platform shower shoes...that she wears with socks for some reason?
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: BenRG on 12 Mar 2019, 00:37
Has Joyce always had platform shower shoes...that she wears with socks for some reason?

The 'shower shoes' were built by Carla to Joyce's design because she was afraid of other people's germs in the water on the floor. The fact that she wears socks either means that she's still nervous about germs or that she still has a complex about being seen 'naked'.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Method of Madness on 13 Mar 2019, 06:58
Right, I remember now. Thanks for the reminder.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Method of Madness on 14 Mar 2019, 05:38
Reminded again how unnerving seeing Becky's eyes on top of her hair is.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: LeeC on 14 Mar 2019, 06:35
I am looking forward to Joyce's reaction to all this. I am sure Becky could shed some light on whether or not Joyce would be freaked out by it all (if it wasn't discussed in an earlier strip that I don't remember).

When this sort of talk directed at Halloween is brought up, I am always reminded of that King of the Hill episode where a neighbor or new member of the town swears that Halloween is the devil's holiday. She essentially shames the town for liking it and gets a curfew instated. The logic never made sense to me as a kid as it was essentially just a costume party holiday with candy. Maybe its because I grew up Catholic but there was never an association made with Halloween and anything satanic for us in our Parish. It was essentially Mardi Gras for kids with the next day being All Saints Day instead of Ash Wednesday. After seeing that episode it really irked me that someone would believe that. I even had a few classmates in (public) high school that felt that way and it just baffled me to the point I thought they were messing with me. It wasn't until I got to college that I met some die hard religious people who truly felt that way to their core. That was the first time I met creationists too. It just baffled me.

(https://media3.giphy.com/media/114qex96PQkBWw/giphy.gif)

(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/675/101/c3a.gif)
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: JoeCovenant on 15 Mar 2019, 02:33

Coming soon:

Joyce Brown: The Backslidening! (4hr Director's Cut)
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: BenRG on 15 Mar 2019, 05:39
I suspect that Joyce is letting Anti-Joyce out to play. However, she's so extreme in the other direction that I suspect that most of Joyce's dorm-mates will consider her alarming at best. Like a lot of people, Joyce is going to spend most of her time finding a happy middle path.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Method of Madness on 16 Mar 2019, 06:24
I...wouldn't call this extreme at all. I mean, maybe knocking is a bit extreme, but I like this chill Joyce. Obviously it won't last :parrot:
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Theta9 on 16 Mar 2019, 07:24
Quote from: Becky MacIntyre
I think society is finally ready to accept that you want to visibly celebrate a major holiday.
:lol: :laugh: :lol: :laugh: :lol: :laugh: :lol: :laugh:
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Theta9 on 11 Apr 2019, 07:31
Today's strip  (http://www.dumbingofage.com/2019/comic/book-9-comic/03-sometimes-the-sky-was-so-far-away/faketweetin/) indicates that Becky's hair is transparent from any angle.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: sitnspin on 11 Apr 2019, 12:41
I always just interpreted it as her bangs are thin enough that they obscure but don't block her face.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: LeeC on 21 Apr 2019, 19:39
Dorthy having an aneurysm is perfect in this situation.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: BenRG on 21 Apr 2019, 23:44
I do think that Dorothy's stress-induced breakdown has come several steps closer. I also expect her to start bawling, which may test Becky's newly-required people management skills!
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: LeeC on 22 Apr 2019, 06:06
Dorthy is going to learn the sad truth about politics: Its not about whose the smartest or did the best in school, its about what you can bring to the table to make others look good and by proxy, yourself.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Method of Madness on 22 Apr 2019, 06:11
So we might see Becky as a student by 2030! Congrats, Becky!
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Theta9 on 22 Apr 2019, 06:56
Dorthy is going to learn the sad truth about politics: Its not about whose the smartest or did the best in school, its about what you can bring to the table to make others look good and by proxy, yourself.
Also, "it's who you know" seems to apply here.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Theta9 on 22 Apr 2019, 06:58
So we might see Becky as a student by 2030! Congrats, Becky!
Yeah, what are we now... about a month into the first semester?
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: LeeC on 08 May 2019, 06:08
I don't know if I'm just tired or if its the words used in todays strip but I am confused on how that means the family had a problem with Halloween.  :psyduck:
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Cornelius on 08 May 2019, 06:22
Because what she remembers is her brother having to prove to her parents that they'd done it with their other children, and it wasn't a problem back then. That implies that it is a problem for her parents now; or when she was of an age to be taken trick or treating.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: LeeC on 08 May 2019, 06:29
Oh, so Joshua had to prove to their parents it was okay to go trick or treating and he'd take her out but her parents didn't participate? Or did they just do it anyway?
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Cornelius on 08 May 2019, 06:34
I don't think her parents participated. It's not exactly clear if they grudgingly allowed it, even after the pictures. He took her anyway.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Theta9 on 08 May 2019, 06:58
I forgot... is Joshua also Jocelyn? Or was that John or Jordan? I can't remember the last time we saw Joyce's brothers.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: BenRG on 08 May 2019, 06:58
Oh, so Joshua had to prove to their parents it was okay to go trick or treating and he'd take her out but her parents didn't participate? Or did they just do it anyway?

It was my impression that the Brown parents took their first two kids out trick-or-treating but later decided that it was wrong for someone of their faith. When they tried to tell Jocelyn not to take Joyce out trick-or-treating, she took out a picture of those earlier days and challenged them with it. From Joyce's reaction, I'm getting the impression that, instead of telling Jocelyn what had changed, they simply exploded at her and a shouting match followed.

I forgot... is Joshua also Jocelyn? Or was that John or Jordan? I can't remember the last time we saw Joyce's brothers.

Yes, Joshua is Jocelyn's birth name and, at this point, still her legal name.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Theta9 on 08 May 2019, 07:05
I forgot... is Joshua also Jocelyn? Or was that John or Jordan? I can't remember the last time we saw Joyce's brothers.

Yes, Joshua is Jocelyn's birth name and, at this point, still her legal name.
She still presents as Joshua in meatspace - or at least, to her family.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Theta9 on 14 May 2019, 10:00
[2019.05.13 (http://www.dumbingofage.com/2019/comic/book-9-comic/03-sometimes-the-sky-was-so-far-away/bond/)]

God DAMN it, Blaine...  :x
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Welu on 14 May 2019, 14:11
I knew Joyce's mum was bad but this strip (http://www.dumbingofage.com/2019/comic/book-9-comic/03-sometimes-the-sky-was-so-far-away/bond/) hit me in the gut.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Method of Madness on 17 May 2019, 21:36
Oh fuck, I forgot that was Joyce's mom. Gross.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: sitnspin on 18 May 2019, 07:23
Joyce's mom and my mother's mom would get along, except for the whole Catholic thing. They are both vile, bigoted, self-righteous assholes.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Theta9 on 30 May 2019, 09:24
Becky's hair again confirmed transparent (http://www.dumbingofage.com/2019/comic/book-9-comic/04-vote-for-robin/storge/).
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: LeeC on 19 Jun 2019, 06:27
So I am not trying to ship any characters here by saying this, but does it seem to anyone else that Malaya may actually like Sal? Like I'm getting that tropey feeling of saying "Just fuck already" with Malaya trying to undermine Sal's "potential" mates. As if she's trying to sabotage, not necessarily because she doesn't like Sal, but to prevent competition of sorts. I'm not really putting much stock in it but its just a thought that crossed my mind.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: BenRG on 19 Jun 2019, 06:28
Malaya is definitely trying to impress someone, even if it is only herself (basically, that this is all a huge self-esteem issue for her).
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: LeeC on 28 Jun 2019, 06:14
So Asher called the cops, and the store clerk was willing to just let her leave until the cops came. When the cops came it escalated the situation that Sal felt she needed a hostage. She takes Ethan hostage, which is the catalyst for Blaine to drive Amber to stab Sal which created the "monster" she thinks she is. Amber is confronting the guy that pushed the first dominoes to create dark Amber.
 :psyduck:
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Welu on 28 Jun 2019, 08:06
My jaw actually dropped. Dang.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: LeeC on 28 Jun 2019, 22:09
My jaw actually dropped. Dang.
So did Asher, thanks to Walky.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: BenRG on 29 Jun 2019, 00:43
As in the old Walkyverse, we see that Walky has a terrifying Bersek Button when those whom he loves are harmed. The question now is whether Amber will try to stop him from beating Asher into paste or whether she'll join in!
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: LeeC on 07 Jul 2019, 14:53
Wait... what if...Malaya has been Marcie's way of getting to Sal?  :psyduck:
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: LeeC on 10 Jul 2019, 21:17
7/11/2019 strip: I friggin knew it.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: sitnspin on 11 Jul 2019, 07:13
Unfortunately, unrequited feelings for a straight friend is a right of passage for most of us queer girls, Marcie. Solidarity and condolences. This too shall pass.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: LeeC on 11 Jul 2019, 08:44
I think Becky is just pushing those feeling away, but she's kind of going through it too.  :-\
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Welu on 11 Jul 2019, 09:07
Ow my heart
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: BenRG on 11 Jul 2019, 09:24
I think Becky is just pushing those feeling away, but she's kind of going through it too.  :-\

I think that Becky thought that she was over it until she saw Joyce 'cosplaying Sal' and then she realised that she wasn't! FWIW, I thin that's from why we have the near-lifesize utaraptor plush: Becky felt guilty for straying back to her crush on Joyce even briefly and wanted to make it up to her girlfriend.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: sitnspin on 11 Jul 2019, 12:56
It takes awhile to get over those feelings, and that's okay, you shouldn't feel guilty for still having feelings for someone, especially someone who has been such a big and important part of your life.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Method of Madness on 12 Jul 2019, 20:59
Are we sure Sal's straight? I mean, I don't think it's a good idea for them to date, but...who knows?
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: sitnspin on 12 Jul 2019, 21:06
She says she is. Given my history of dating girls who claimed to be straight, I'd say that doesn't make it definite, but until proven otherwise I'll take her at her word.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Method of Madness on 12 Jul 2019, 21:13
Fair, although I was pretty sure I was straight until I realized I was bi like...a year ago. I don't remember her specifically saying she was straight, but I'll take your word for it.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Theta9 on 13 Jul 2019, 06:55
...why is Sal signing to Marcie now? She usually just speaks to her, and I figure voice is more expressive than handsigns.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: sitnspin on 13 Jul 2019, 07:10
Probably because it is a mode of speech they have developed with each other for years, so it is more personal to them. We've seen Sal speak to her in ASL before.  Also, it forces her to be more deliberate with her words.
Fair, although I was pretty sure I was straight until I realized I was bi like...a year ago. I don't remember her specifically saying she was straight, but I'll take your word for it.
Also a fair point. A lot of people don't figure this stuff out until way older than these kids are, but considering their relationship, one would think there would at least be some inkling by now and Sal's reaction when Marcie explained her motivations toward Malaya suggest the idea of being with a woman is not even a blip on her radar.  I don't think she has used the exact phrasing, but she has strongly implied it.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: LeeC on 16 Jul 2019, 06:46
So is a "fakey" just the modern colloquial term for a "poser?"
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Theta9 on 16 Jul 2019, 07:04
So is a "fakey" just the modern colloquial term for a "poser?"
Yeah, basically fronting as something/someone that you aren't.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: sitnspin on 16 Jul 2019, 08:03
Not so much a modern colloquialism as much as  Malayaism.

And it's been my experience that the louder and more frequently a person talks about and makes accusations of being a poser, the more likely said person is one.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: BenRG on 16 Jul 2019, 08:03
Fair, although I was pretty sure I was straight until I realized I was bi like...a year ago. I don't remember her specifically saying she was straight, but I'll take your word for it.

Also a fair point. A lot of people don't figure this stuff out until way older than these kids are, but considering their relationship, one would think there would at least be some inkling by now and Sal's reaction when Marcie explained her motivations toward Malaya suggest the idea of being with a woman is not even a blip on her radar.  I don't think she has used the exact phrasing, but she has strongly implied it.

I think that Sal knew that Marcie was homosexual; she expressed no surprise when Marcie told her that she was sexually attracted to Malaya. What was a totally-out-of-left-field revelation for Sal was that Marcie had ever been attracted to her.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: sitnspin on 16 Jul 2019, 08:06
Fair, although I was pretty sure I was straight until I realized I was bi like...a year ago. I don't remember her specifically saying she was straight, but I'll take your word for it.

Also a fair point. A lot of people don't figure this stuff out until way older than these kids are, but considering their relationship, one would think there would at least be some inkling by now and Sal's reaction when Marcie explained her motivations toward Malaya suggest the idea of being with a woman is not even a blip on her radar.  I don't think she has used the exact phrasing, but she has strongly implied it.

I think that Sal knew that Marcie was homosexual; she expressed no surprise when Marcie told her that she was sexually attracted to Malaya. What was a totally-out-of-left-field revelation for Sal was that Marcie had ever been attracted to her.
I mean that the idea of being with a woman is not a blip on the radar for her (Sal) not for Marcie.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Theta9 on 01 Aug 2019, 07:11
GOD DAMN IT BLAINE.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: JoeCovenant on 02 Aug 2019, 06:47
GOD DAMN IT BLAINE.

Who is a grandfather going to believe... their grandson or one of their goons?

OR rather, whose side is he more likely to come down on?

Kick his erse.. then tell Grandpops he was threatening him.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: cesium133 on 02 Aug 2019, 06:57
GOD DAMN IT BLAINE.

Who is a grandfather going to believe... their grandson or one of their goons?

OR rather, whose side is he more likely to come down on?

Kick his erse.. then tell Grandpops he was threatening him.
I was thinking this way, until I thought about what Blaine could possibly have on him... and then I realized that Blaine must have been following Amber around for a while, and so he heard this (http://www.dumbingofage.com/2019/comic/book-9-comic/04-vote-for-robin/resteasy/). Talking to the cops is something you don't do when you're in the mob.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: sitnspin on 02 Aug 2019, 11:56
It also may depend on how disappointed said grandfather is. If he considers Asher's leaving the "family business" a betrayal of not only himself, but the family honour, it is entirely likely he'd be more willing to believe a loyal stooge over a rebellious and disrespectful grandson.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: BenRG on 14 Aug 2019, 07:33
Well, with today's strip (8/14/19), Willis is possibly on the verge of doing something that I've never seen attempted before: A romantic triangle between a honest-hearted young man and two of the alters of a woman with non-sharing DID.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Method of Madness on 03 Sep 2019, 13:47
Wait, I forget if I've asked this and I'm too tired to check, but does Amber's dad know she's Amazi-girl?
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Theta9 on 03 Sep 2019, 17:25
Blaine and Toe-dad. Nothing good will come of this.  :-(
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: BenRG on 04 Sep 2019, 03:29
I wonder if we're heading towards at least one arc's climax in DoA (Becky's and possibly Amber's). By long narrative tradition, the heroes and villains are always all gathered to the same place for a final confrontation.

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IMO at least, it may also be a significant milestone for Joyce if it comes out that Blaine was acting as the agent for her hometown church and that her mother supported this move.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Theta9 on 05 Sep 2019, 17:45
Anybody buying Mike's "new leaf" shit?
I'm dubious to say the least.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: BenRG on 05 Sep 2019, 23:33
Ethan just walking away hurt Mike in ways that have only been hinted at and Mike knows that he has only himself to blame. I strongly suspect that Mike is at least questioning his life strategies.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: Method of Madness on 08 Sep 2019, 10:10
BABY
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: 94ssd on 09 Sep 2019, 19:38
Well...this can only end extremely poorly for all involved.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: BenRG on 09 Sep 2019, 23:23
Oh, I think it will end most poorly for Joyce. Probably by a long margin. Jacob will need to be almost a saint to forgive Joyce doing this.

However, from an outside perspective, two very worrying questions emerge:
That aside, it's interesting that Joyce has some small notoriety after the incident with Ross's attempted kidnapping of Becky. I imagine that the reporters found it easier to credit her and Sal rather than explore those insane reports of a masked adventurer intervening during the chase.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: cesium133 on 10 Sep 2019, 06:24
There's a different way for this to go very poorly that would be interesting: for some reason Jacob does not want his family to know about Raidah... so what if when he finds out Joyce was pretending to be his girlfriend, he goes along with it, to avoid telling his family (for reasons that have yet to be disclosed) that he's actually dating Raidah? Then again, that might be too similar to the Amber/Danny/Danny's parents situation, but in that case Danny was actually dating Amber but was too stupid to realize it...

That aside, it's interesting that Joyce has some small notoriety after the incident with Ross's attempted kidnapping of Becky. I imagine that the reporters found it easier to credit her and Sal rather than explore those insane reports of a masked adventurer intervening during the chase.
Pretty sure the reporters don't know Sal was there. She escaped with Amazi-Girl before the cops got there.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: BenRG on 10 Sep 2019, 07:16
There's a different way for this to go very poorly that would be interesting: for some reason Jacob does not want his family to know about Raidah... so what if when he finds out Joyce was pretending to be his girlfriend, he goes along with it, to avoid telling his family (for reasons that have yet to be disclosed) that he's actually dating Raidah?

Possible reason: Jacob is a Presbetarian, Raidah is a generally-secular Muslim. Given that there are RL reports of people freaking out when being in the same room as Muslims just because they're Muslim and in the same room, it isn't beyond the bounds of possibility that a somewhat-crazy Southern Baptist girl would be a convenient beard for him.
Title: Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
Post by: JoeCovenant on 13 Sep 2019, 11:34

The roads leading away from this comic are many and varied!