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Title: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: shanejayell on 04 Nov 2018, 19:28
Well THAT was a anti-climax.....

https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3866
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: Gyrre on 04 Nov 2018, 20:00
Never hurts to brush up a bit on it.

Otherwise, that study energy could be put to use for a videogame.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: Tova on 04 Nov 2018, 20:16
I have never been a fan of last-minute study for an exam. You say it never hurts, but most likely you will not retain anything new. It's more likely you will just make yourself more anxious.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: OldGoat on 04 Nov 2018, 21:11
I have never been a fan of last-minute study for an exam. You say it never hurts, but most likely you will not retain anything new. It's more likely you will just make yourself more anxious.

A few years ago I decided that I was going to get comfortable with the material then stop giving a damn - the score I get is the score I get.  Now I do much better on exams.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: Scarlet Manuka on 05 Nov 2018, 00:25
most likely you will not retain anything new.

In my experience, whether this is true is highly variable from one person to another. Some people really are able to go through their material and retain a lot of details for a few days, enough to get you through an exam. I am one of those people, or at least I was during my university days; it's not something I have had much reason to test in the last couple of decades.

I think it has a lot to do with one's learning style. Mine seems to be predominantly verbal - operating with both spoken and written words, but obviously the latter is generally more relevant for exams. Even with a science curriculum at university this was useful; for my English Literature exams at high school it was very helpful - I remember that for our final exams, after I'd done my main revision, I went through our texts and noted down quite a decent stock of quotes which could be used to illuminate the themes we'd explored, and I was able to use several of these in the exam.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: BenRG on 05 Nov 2018, 00:55
I'm going to treat the poll as if it was serious because that's how I roll. I want our Space Princess of Anxiety to come back to claim her throne and I think having a completely amoral god-AI hanging around like Discord in My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic would be great!

As for today's strip, I think that we're manoeuvring into the section of Claire's character arc where she addresses a thorny problem: Who is she? She's been defined by labels and short-term goals like graduating for some time. I wonder if she's ever really ever bothered to wonder what she wants to do with her life and where she wants to go after she has the wide world of adult life ahead of her!
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: derris_kharlan on 05 Nov 2018, 02:08
I have never been a fan of last-minute study for an exam. You say it never hurts, but most likely you will not retain anything new. It's more likely you will just make yourself more anxious.

Depends on subject. For my Japanese study I often am able to remember a few more Vocab words from some last minute cramming. I donít cram from a stress standpoint though, I know it wonít make a huge difference, but it can help some.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: cesium133 on 05 Nov 2018, 06:20
"Oh yeah, that was just last night. Marten's into some unusual stuff."
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: zisraelsen on 05 Nov 2018, 06:30
We're gonna have to rename the "claire face" to the "augustus face" because clinton is definitely wearing it in that last panel.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: theHermit on 05 Nov 2018, 12:37
I wonder if she's ever really ever bothered to wonder what she wants to do with her life

I still donít know, and thereís not so much more adult life in front of me...  :laugh:

Since I couldnít decide what to study (maybe computer science, linguistics or cybernetics) I took an apprenticeship in a field I liked.
Why learn a profession, I asked, Iíll marry anyway. Married twice, didnít work out. Self-unemployed for a while now. Probably going to be a freelance pagan priest.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: Tova on 05 Nov 2018, 12:43
I wonder if she's ever really ever bothered to wonder what she wants to do with her life and where she wants to go after she has the wide world of adult life ahead of her!

I'm certain that she, of all QC characters, has wondered that. Multiple times, probably. And will do again and again. This isn't something you just decide once then put in a drawer and never think about again.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: SmilingCat on 05 Nov 2018, 19:13
As a guy crowding forty who's seen pot go from "Illegal and EVIL" to "Illegal and ill advised" to "Not terrible, but still Illegal" to "Why is this still Illegal when I can get drunk" to "Legal, but only kinda sorta legal" to "fine, have your grass already, just smoke it in your house", today's comic feels weird to me.

My old man brain sometimes has trouble parsing the way the world has changed during my life.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: shanejayell on 05 Nov 2018, 20:15
Legal in Canada, now. Should be interesting to see how it plays out.

Is weed legal in Northhampton? Fictional or real city?
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: cesium133 on 05 Nov 2018, 20:18
Legal in Canada, now. Should be interesting to see how it plays out.

Is weed legal in Northhampton? Fictional or real city?

IIRC, Massachusetts legalized it in 2016.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: shanejayell on 05 Nov 2018, 20:25
*Canadian*  See, I did not know that.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: BenRG on 05 Nov 2018, 23:48
I think that I now understand that Claire and Clinton's habit of suddenly taking hard turns into random asides is a family characteristic; their mother does it too!

As for 'rebellion' as a title...? Let's put it this way: Smoking pot has become so mainstream that I would argue that not partaking is actually an act of rebellion against society's view of normal and acceptable behaviour, much in the same way as not being sexually active or never getting drunk.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: SmilingCat on 06 Nov 2018, 00:00
As for 'rebellion' as a title...? Let's put it this way: Smoking pot has become so mainstream that I would argue that not partaking is actually an act of rebellion against society's view of normal and acceptable behaviour, much in the same way as not being sexually active or never getting drunk.

Woo! I'm a rebel!

It's actually a very dangerous notion to suggest it's not normal for someone to not want to get drunk, have sex, or use pot.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: theHermit on 06 Nov 2018, 01:40
Woo! I'm a rebel!

Me too. Was never drunk and never smoked. Tried cookies twice. Wonít again.

Back to Claire: How far are her exams away? Wouldnít be fun if she had to write them in a backflash.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: BenRG on 06 Nov 2018, 05:10
Back to Claire: How far are her exams away?

Jeph really isn't into hard time-keeping in QC. The most that you can say is that it is at some point in the immediate future, given that Claire is currently been in panic-cram mode for a while and is also stressing about post-graduation employment.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: dutchrvl on 06 Nov 2018, 05:46
I think that I now understand that Claire and Clinton's habit of suddenly taking hard turns into random asides is a family characteristic; their mother does it too!

As for 'rebellion' as a title...? Let's put it this way: Smoking pot has become so mainstream that I would argue that not partaking is actually an act of rebellion against society's view of normal and acceptable behaviour, much in the same way as not being sexually active or never getting drunk.

Bolding mine.

And ehm...yeah not really. The vast majority of people still don't partake in smoking weed and I'd argue it's still not generally expected (or 'normal') behavior. Yes people are increasingly tolerant about people smoking/consuming, which is not quite the same as it being considered normal/expected.

By the way, the above is also true for consuming weed in any form in the Netherlands. While many people in the US seem to think that in the Netherlands the majority of people at some point consume marijuana or consider it completely normal behavior is pretty far from the truth, actually, despite the fact that people are generally not super-judgy about it.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 06 Nov 2018, 06:39
Claire is judging what is and is not "rebellious" by her own tightly wound standards.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: Welu on 06 Nov 2018, 07:21
There's a first time for everything, including socially acceptable activities like drinking, sexual activity or whatever applies in your circle. At any point in your life doing something you've never done before, even if it doesn't seem like big deal to someone else who does it all the time, can be a huge deal to you.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: traroth on 06 Nov 2018, 09:41
Claire will never be the same again...
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: Zebediah on 06 Nov 2018, 10:19
This isn’t the first time Claire has used marijuana, because she told Tai it made her anxious and there’s no way she would know that if she hadn’t tried it.

It is, however, the first time she has used marijuana with her mother.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: Welu on 06 Nov 2018, 10:20
Good point, I forgot about that.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: Thrillho on 06 Nov 2018, 12:33
As for 'rebellion' as a title...? Let's put it this way: Smoking pot has become so mainstream that I would argue that not partaking is actually an act of rebellion against society's view of normal and acceptable behaviour, much in the same way as not being sexually active or never getting drunk.

Woo! I'm a rebel!

It's actually a very dangerous notion to suggest it's not normal for someone to not want to get drunk, have sex, or use pot.

The word 'normal' is the main issue, I would argue. There's no normality in partaking or not for any of those things. Statistically likely, sure. But normal is nothing and the second you have 'normal' that starts making people 'not normal.'
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: Tova on 06 Nov 2018, 12:46
Back to Claire: How far are her exams away?

Jeph really isn't into hard time-keeping in QC. The most that you can say is that it is at some point in the immediate future, given that Claire is currently been in panic-cram mode for a while and is also stressing about post-graduation employment.

Psst. You cut off a relevant bit of the quote. I mean, everything you said in response is true, but I believe theHermit was really just wondering out loud whether this activity will affect Claire's exams, not indulging in an exercise of trying to measure comic time.

Back to Claire: How far are her exams away? Wouldnít be fun if she had to write them in a backflash.

(emphasis added)
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: SmilingCat on 06 Nov 2018, 12:48
The word 'normal' is the main issue, I would argue. There's no normality in partaking or not for any of those things. Statistically likely, sure. But normal is nothing and the second you have 'normal' that starts making people 'not normal.'

I'm a bit hypersensitive to this sort of thing, as I've had actual friends treat me as abnormal for not wanting to drink. It was surprisingly difficult to convince them that I didn't need to drink and they should respect my choice without demanding a goddamn explanation.

(though I only had to threaten one of them)

You'd think it would be a simple principle. I don't question their choices when it comes to that sort of thing, they shouldn't question mine.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: Thrillho on 06 Nov 2018, 14:54
The word 'normal' is the main issue, I would argue. There's no normality in partaking or not for any of those things. Statistically likely, sure. But normal is nothing and the second you have 'normal' that starts making people 'not normal.'

I'm a bit hypersensitive to this sort of thing, as I've had actual friends treat me as abnormal for not wanting to drink. It was surprisingly difficult to convince them that I didn't need to drink and they should respect my choice without demanding a goddamn explanation.

(though I only had to threaten one of them)

You'd think it would be a simple principle. I don't question their choices when it comes to that sort of thing, they shouldn't question mine.

Oh I totally get that sensitivity. I'm teetotal now, after a time of drinking to various degrees. I got drunk once when I was 14 or so and hated it so stopped and people were just aghast. It eventually became about digging my heels in. 'HOW CAN YOU HAVE FUN IF YOU DON'T DRINK?'

The very next drink I took, some five years later, was at university, when somebody asked me if I would like a drink rather than saying I had to have one. Once I'd made it through one party sober without anyone being an asshole about it, I experimented a bit more and eventually became a pretty gold-standard drunk for eight years or so, with a couple of years of 'unfortunate cocaine habit' in there too.

Nowadays I'm teetotal again outside of maybe a double Scotch on a special occasion, and to this day I do still get shit about it.

TL;DR: I get completely where you were coming from. I was endeavouring to broaden the scope of what you were saying.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: pwhodges on 06 Nov 2018, 15:12
I suspect the "you must have a drink" thing is worse in older generations, too.  There are people to whom the only response I can manage is to accept the drink (they've poured it while I'm saying "no, thank you"), but then not drink all, or any, of it.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: Tova on 06 Nov 2018, 15:34
Yes, it's not such a great thing that you need strategies to deal with social situations where you just don't want to drink.

I have extensively used both the nursing a full drink at all times gambit and the no thanks, I'm driving gambit.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: Welu on 06 Nov 2018, 15:43
I drink sometimes, just if I feel like it or not. My partner does not drink at all, he tried before I knew him and didn't like it and now never drinks. After eight years my friends and family still ask almost every time he's around does he want an alcoholic drink. At special occasions he'll still get the "Are you sure? Go on." for toasts and it might get poured before or during the refusal. He can get away with saying I'm drinking so he's driving, or sometimes I can say when I don't feel like drinking that it's so he doesn't feel weird being the only one not drinking. Still nonsense to feel like an excuse is needed.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: SmilingCat on 06 Nov 2018, 15:49
Well I'm naturally antisocial, to the point of reacting angrily to peer pressure (before I got on antidepressants, I handle anger better now).

My circle of friends is small enough and old enough that I don't have to worry about it so much anymore.

Though if all else fails and I'm feeling diplomatic, I can always lean on my disability. Technically my doctors did tell me not to drink (as part of normal patient interaction).
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: Penquin47 on 06 Nov 2018, 18:22
Is this really something you need a partner's input on?  If you're thinking about taking it up as a regular habit, sure, but a one-time celebration thing... I dunno.  This strip bugs me and I can't quite put my finger on *why*.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: pendrake on 06 Nov 2018, 19:27
For comic #3868... (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3868)

*squeak*

That is all.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: Rincewind on 06 Nov 2018, 19:40
Apparently, Tai can speak Bat and Marten can understand Bat.     8-)
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: Castlerook on 06 Nov 2018, 19:51
Well this can only end in shenanigans.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: jesslc on 06 Nov 2018, 20:16
Is this really something you need a partner's input on?  If you're thinking about taking it up as a regular habit, sure, but a one-time celebration thing... I dunno.  This strip bugs me and I can't quite put my finger on *why*.
I don't think it is something you need a partner's input on but I feel like it fits with Claire's personality that she would decide to tell Marten. And I think his response is kind of showing a little surprise that she bothered to tell him before she did it.

Personally I can't help thinking that "maybe right before your exams isn't the best time to try something that gave you a panic attack the only other time you had it" but it's not my life, so yeah. For Claire's sake I hope this time is better. And if not, maybe having Tai on the scene will be helpful...?

The word 'normal' is the main issue, I would argue. There's no normality in partaking or not for any of those things. Statistically likely, sure. But normal is nothing and the second you have 'normal' that starts making people 'not normal.'

I'm a bit hypersensitive to this sort of thing, as I've had actual friends treat me as abnormal for not wanting to drink. It was surprisingly difficult to convince them that I didn't need to drink and they should respect my choice without demanding a goddamn explanation.

(though I only had to threaten one of them)

You'd think it would be a simple principle. I don't question their choices when it comes to that sort of thing, they shouldn't question mine.
Ugh! Why do people get so annoying about it if you don't drink alcohol? I also had to call out friends to quit it with the peer pressure around drinking already. I don't know if they felt like me not drinking meant I was judging them for drinking or what... but having them not accept my "No thanks" as a valid response to whatever variation of "Do you want some alcohol?" they had asked me was super frustrating. It eased up a bit after I told them to quit it with the peer pressure but it still happened occasionally. I don't care if someone choose to drink or not - it's none of my business - so long as they don't try to persuade me to drink with them. I can enjoy this party perfectly well with my glass of water or OJ thanks - or at least I would be able to if you weren't hassling me!

These days I pretty much only hang out with people who don't care if I drink or not, and mostly in situations where alcohol isn't expected (eg. coffee shop/afternoon gathering/etc) so thankfully I haven't had to put up with it recently but I still remember how frustrating it was.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: cybersmurf on 06 Nov 2018, 23:30
Is this really something you need a partner's input on?  If you're thinking about taking it up as a regular habit, sure, but a one-time celebration thing... I dunno.  This strip bugs me and I can't quite put my finger on *why*.

The way I see it, Claire simply informed Marten on what was going on, and he shouldn't be surprised if she came home unable to stop giggling and stuff.


Getting high with your mom? Questionably rebellious (but look at this comic's title :-P).
Getting high with your mom and your boss? Oh, my!
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: BenRG on 07 Nov 2018, 00:52
Whilst Mrs A doesn't think that using her cannabis vaper is in any way 'doing something wild', it's pretty clear where Jeph is going to take this: Tai is going to dare an under-the-influence Claire to do something wild and there will be consequences.

Like what? Maybe get a pretty tattoo of a butterfly on her hip or something. Because, stoned or not, something tells me that Claire is always pretty straight and restrained.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: Drunken Old Man on 07 Nov 2018, 00:52
Is this really something you need a partner's input on?  If you're thinking about taking it up as a regular habit, sure, but a one-time celebration thing... I dunno.  This strip bugs me and I can't quite put my finger on *why*.
Hm, I thought that it was kinda cool of Claire to check in with Martin first, just so he knows what up.  I'd have done the same and, if my wife had a real objection to my partaking, I'd have respected that.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: JoeCovenant on 07 Nov 2018, 01:20

"Weed" in a vape?

So, like, resin...?
In Vape quantities?
Jebus - surely that would blow yer head off??
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: traroth on 07 Nov 2018, 01:30
I have nothing against Tai, but for me, that's a mother-daughter moment nobody is supposed to get involved in...
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: Tova on 07 Nov 2018, 01:39
It's up to them, though, isn't it?
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: Thrillho on 07 Nov 2018, 02:48

"Weed" in a vape?

So, like, resin...?
In Vape quantities?
Jebus - surely that would blow yer head off??

I have generally found them to be quite variable and unpredictable but a friend of mine swears by his.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: Mojo on 07 Nov 2018, 03:03
Ok, first let me get this out of the way, I voted "Other" and meant Raven.

Now then.  On to Claire's decision to get stoned.  I don't think it's a bad idea in and of itself... but if I were her, I think I'd have waited until AFTER the exam, in case there are any lingering aftereffects.

 :claireface:
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: hakko504 on 07 Nov 2018, 04:43
Getting high with your mom? Questionably rebellious (but look at this comic's title :-P).
Getting high with your mom and your boss? Oh, my!
Ex-boss surely? Can't find it right now, but at some point Claire got her evaluation from Tai, and I was under the impression that her internship ended at that time.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: War Sparrow on 07 Nov 2018, 05:10

"Weed" in a vape?

So, like, resin...?
In Vape quantities?
Jebus - surely that would blow yer head off??

I have generally found them to be quite variable and unpredictable but a friend of mine swears by his.

My sister in law uses them, or something similar. I strongly approve, because I hate the smell, and her contraption has none.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: shanejayell on 07 Nov 2018, 07:01
Yeah, I think adding TAI to the mix will cause trouble. Ha,.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: Castlerook on 07 Nov 2018, 11:49
I have nothing against Tai, but for me, that's a mother-daughter moment nobody is supposed to get involved in...
It's up to them, though, isn't it?

Yeah, but it does feel like Tai is inviting herself. It just feels a little much, even for Tai. Especially if she's never met Mother Augustus before. And now that I think of it, have Claire and Tai had any meaningful interaction outside of the group and outside of the library?
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: Tova on 07 Nov 2018, 13:53
I'm sure that if it were as inappropriate or awkward as you seem to think, Marten would never have offered to ask.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: chris73 on 07 Nov 2018, 15:31
Looking back at some of Tais behavior she can be quite...I don't know, inconsiderate, selfish maybe.

I mean the whole telling Marten (her subordinate) she really likes his girlfriend or asking asking him for advice in making up with Dora, a situation he found (not unreasonably) quite uncomfortable and now this...

IF you want to insert yourself in a mother daughter thing thats your business but you ask, don't make Marten ask for you
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: St.Clair on 07 Nov 2018, 18:44
Especially since Marten offers all the resistance of a wet noodle to... just about anything.  And Tai surely knows this.

IMO, it is (at least adjacent to) inviting herself, to something that may well be private, and even asking the question might be considered inappropriate (also inconsiderate, selfish, insensitive, etc etc).
... and yet, entirely in character for Tai, also IMO.   :-P  :roll:
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: Near Lurker on 07 Nov 2018, 18:51
Legal in Canada, now. Should be interesting to see how it plays out.

Is weed legal in Northhampton? Fictional or real city?

IIRC, Massachusetts legalized it in 2016.

They can't bust her for it (unless she has more than ten ounces at home, or one in public), but they can seize it, because unless she has a prescription, she unquestionably bought it illegally.  Recreational sales have been "a month away" for two years now.  We've seen that the police in Jeph's Northampton don't seem to mind much, though, although that might've changed on a meta level with Roko's arc.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: Theta9 on 07 Nov 2018, 19:40
So, I'm not quite clear on this... does Tai like to party?
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: shanejayell on 07 Nov 2018, 20:00
"Mary Jane hoedown."

*lol*
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: Near Lurker on 07 Nov 2018, 20:39
So, I'm not quite clear on this... does Tai like to party?

I'm not sure (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Zbi0XmGtMw).
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: Tova on 07 Nov 2018, 20:43
In spite of my recent policy to let character-hate posts go through to the keeper, I can't help but register my confusion as to whether the message here is that she should have invited herself or should not have. To an event that is almost certainly not the deep mother-daughter moment you're all making it out to be.

Also, while I know that bashing Marten's backbone, or lack thereof, is a forum sport, he's perfectly capable of showing resistance when he has to.

IF you want to insert yourself in a mother daughter thing thats your business but you ask, don't make Marten ask for you

IMO, it is (at least adjacent to) inviting herself, to something that may well be private, and even asking the question might be considered inappropriate (also inconsiderate, selfish, insensitive, etc etc).

Anyway, I've just decided that I like Tai even more.

So, I'm not quite clear on this... does Tai like to party?

I'm not sure (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Zbi0XmGtMw).

Maybe. (https://youtu.be/fnKhDL8AL6M)

Edit: Forgot to mention. If Marten asks, it won't be at all awkward for Claire to say "no". Whereas if Tai had asked directly, that might have been more socially awkward. Really, this way is much more socially appropriate.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: DSL on 07 Nov 2018, 21:00
In re:  Tai's participation in the mother-daughter bong bonding and whether Tai is stepping outside of the boundaries set by her position, allow me:

I was, for 25 years, part of a newspaper newsroom staffed largely by young people not too long out of college, living far from wherever home had been, and in a community that drew definite lines between who was "from here" and who wasn't. Naturally, the young co-workers became social. The younger echelon of the newsroom became a family (sometimes literally; I can immediately think of three -- no, four -- marriages whose spark was first struck on deadline). I know that some of my most enduring friendships were formed in my first two years there, while most of the co-workers who came after (particularly as I became "too old for this sh!t") blur together in, or drop out of, my memory.

These relationships brought the minefields one might expect, the hurt feelings and the favoritism, and I won't argue with anyone who wants to doubt the appropriateness of this, but that doesn't change the reality of them.

My point is that the judgment of whether Tai crossed a boundary may be muddied by the fact that, in such a workplace/social situation, the boundaries may be blurry indeed.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 07 Nov 2018, 21:47
Boundaries blurred? In QC?
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: Tova on 07 Nov 2018, 21:52
My point is that the judgment of whether Tai crossed a boundary may be muddied by the fact that, in such a workplace/social situation, the boundaries may be blurry indeed.

I didn't even realise that the crossing of workplace/personal boundaries was a factor in this conversation. But that would explain a lot.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: Penquin47 on 07 Nov 2018, 22:44
Really, it's not, Claire no longer works at the library.  That was a summer internship, and during the school year, she was a TA.  An ex-boss who's friends with your boyfriend and roommate isn't crossing workplace boundary lines here.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: badbum61 on 07 Nov 2018, 22:53
Never get out of the boat!
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: DSL on 08 Nov 2018, 04:41
My point is that the judgment of whether Tai crossed a boundary may be muddied by the fact that, in such a workplace/social situation, the boundaries may be blurry indeed.

I didn't even realise that the crossing of workplace/personal boundaries was a factor in this conversation. But that would explain a lot.

Tai vs. boundaries is a subject that occasionally rears its head. Granted, the workplace dynamic may no longer exist, but the present relationship among the characters was certainly forged in an environment that reminds me (not always uncomfortably) of the newsroom that was pretty much my life for 25 years.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: Carl-E on 08 Nov 2018, 06:17
But Marten still works for Tai - I think you guys misplaced the boundary in the first place, no matter how blurred! 
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: traroth on 08 Nov 2018, 06:24
I don't know for the others, but my point was that you don't interfere in a mother-daughter (or any parent-child) moment if not invited to...

But yes, after some tought, the fact that Claire is Marten's girlfriend and Tai is Marten's boss could even make her request look like harrassement. I know, that's not the kind of relations those characters have and everybody seems to be happy, actually, no need to remind me...

And Tai didn't really request anything. She just squeaked...
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: bhtooefr on 08 Nov 2018, 06:33
I'd say she violated both Marten and Claire's boundaries, arguably...
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: gopher on 08 Nov 2018, 07:21
Never a Tai fan, the ay she "Humorously" sleazes at other people's girlfriends would not be tolerated in anyone else, this just lowers my opinion of her. If you want to get wrecked, do it with your friends, not your employee's GF and her Mum.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: Thrillho on 08 Nov 2018, 07:35
This thread has got pretty judgy.

Whether she violated Marten's boundaries is debatable but she didn't actually say anything, he offered.

Claire's, if they were violated by anyone, were violated by Marten for asking her.

And I have no idea what the definition of 'sleaze' as a verb is to you, gopher, but my relationship features free exchange of 'God I'd love to fuck them' remarks about people real, fictional, known personally or only known from a distance e.g. celebrities.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: Tova on 08 Nov 2018, 12:37
Never a Tai fan, the ay she "Humorously" sleazes at other people's girlfriends would not be tolerated in anyone else, this just lowers my opinion of her. If you want to get wrecked, do it with your friends, not your employee's GF and her Mum.

In this specific situation, why not? No-one in their own circle of friends has a problem with it. So why do you? And that goes for everyone else acting judgementally.

If Claire had a problem with it, then I'd be with you.

This latest outbreak of disapproval, just like the previous, seems to stem from a misjudgment of other people's friendship dynamics.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: Roborat on 08 Nov 2018, 12:59
So, the O7100 catches fire does it.  So now we know the real reason Faye's apartment caught fire.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: DSL on 08 Nov 2018, 14:01
Not the malevolent AI toaster? (Frakkin' toasters)

Do the O7100 or 7200 have AIs?

If so, are they affected by the aromas of the consumed material? (it can't all be tea!)

So many ramifications.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: shanejayell on 08 Nov 2018, 19:04
I kinda get the feeling this will be a BAD trip. Hope I'm wrong...

https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3870
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: zisraelsen on 08 Nov 2018, 19:47
Claire's mom is the mom friend.


wait
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: Mr. Doctor on 08 Nov 2018, 20:19
No shame in being light weight. I dont smoke MJ but im kind of light weight with alcohol and that makes the nights out SO MUCH cheaper haha!
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: traroth on 09 Nov 2018, 02:10
Insert GTA V "Wasted" meme picture here.

(I'm feeling so lazy, today...)
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: Thrillho on 09 Nov 2018, 02:40
Yep, a vape will do this. Especially for an inexperienced user.

Wait, reverse those two facets, I can't be bothered to edit.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: JoeCovenant on 09 Nov 2018, 02:47

Yeeaahh...

I'm gonna say, "CALLED IT!"  :)

Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: Tai Fanboi on 09 Nov 2018, 05:17
I kinda get the feeling this will be a BAD trip. Hope I'm wrong...

https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3870

I think it'll start out that way.  But, I also think it's why Tai's there in the first place.  You've got one, inexperienced user who had a bad time on their only time using.  That in of itself is enough to start this next experience off on the wrong foot.  I used to be that way when I used to dabble.  Unless I was in my own home, or a few close friends homes where I felt about as comfortable as if I was in my own home, anxiety and a miserable experience was on the way.  And since I knew it?  I focused on it, and that made it worse. 

But, now add in Tai.  I can kind of see her acting along as the Hallucinogenic Sherpa of the trip with her experience.  She's been there, she's done it, she's seen it, she's seen multiples of people go through it.  I can see her trying to guide Claire back on track and offer her some tips and tricks on how to enjoy herself and have a good time with it.  Then add in Mom.  Having your mom around as a friendly face, well doesn't get more "comfortable" than that in order to relieve tensions and anxiety. 

Personally I think after the initial bad situation is over with, everything will get on track and some talking to mom and Tai about what's got her worked up, career, future etc. is coming.  Tai offering career advice while Mom telling her not to think about this and her career as an end all defining moment because anyone is allowed to change at any given point, I mean, from what Clinton and Claire have mentioned, Claire's mom has been experimenting and changing quite a bit herself as of late. 
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: Thrillho on 09 Nov 2018, 05:55
Yeah you are correct that any kind of experimentation with narcotics really should include at least one experienced user to act as a guide.

Doesn't just apply to drugs either. There's sexual experimentation, even other completely non-threatening activities.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: traroth on 09 Nov 2018, 06:31
Just a side remark: better not having time to get cookies in the oven than not having time to get them out...

And for the ten next pages, Tai is not saying anything else than "Haha, here we go" :D
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: Roborat on 09 Nov 2018, 12:18
I love Claire's eyes in the last panel.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: Theta9 on 09 Nov 2018, 12:20
Are there weed vaping rigs that look like that? I've only seen the "pen" type. That looks like a typical nicotine vaping rig.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: Thrillho on 09 Nov 2018, 13:37
If you can inhale something through it, weed going into it is possible. And I have seen every kind of vape used for weed.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: SmilingCat on 09 Nov 2018, 13:43
If I were to partake (I don't), I think I'd prefer something that big over those small pen type models. Our obsession with cramming powerful batteries into tighter and tighter spaces is nothing but trouble.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: zisraelsen on 09 Nov 2018, 14:00
And that goes double for devices whose specific purpose is generating enough heat to vaporise stuff.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: Thrillho on 09 Nov 2018, 15:29
If I were to partake (I don't), I think I'd prefer something that big over those small pen type models. Our obsession with cramming powerful batteries into tighter and tighter spaces is nothing but trouble.

The vape pens are mostly incredibly weak. The mid-size ones are likely to be the ones that would be the biggest concern as far as the combination of compact and powerful.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: badbum61 on 09 Nov 2018, 20:26
Hmm, I just ordered a vape this week. Hope I'm not getting the 7100...we live in a high fire risk zone already!
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 09 Nov 2018, 21:49
I am getting nervous about this.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: Magniras on 10 Nov 2018, 12:37
Wow. The only time Iíve been that high was after four massive gravity bong hits.

I could feel my individual teeth after that.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: Gyrre on 11 Nov 2018, 06:18
Just a side remark: better not having time to get cookies in the oven than not having time to get them out...

And for the ten next pages, Tai is not saying anything else than "Haha, here we go" :D
"It's totes not safe to bake while baked, dude."
Tato Po of clan Wyrntail (my stoner surfer barbarian Tortle)
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: traroth on 11 Nov 2018, 12:24
Reminds me of the first time I smoked cannabis (resin, it's the easiest stuff to find, here in France), in the 90s. We were four friends and I was the only one who hadn't tried it yet. One of them had rolled two spliffs, and we sat  in circle in the grass like real hippies. When we were done, I was completely stoned. And worst, when we got up, I got up too fast, and the blood retired from my brain. The way I then collapsed against a nearby wall was the main joke for weeks after that... :D
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: Carl-E on 11 Nov 2018, 13:32
I kinda get the feeling this will be a BAD trip. Hope I'm wrong...

I'm guessing you're using the term "trip" liberally.  I usually reserve the term for hallucinogens (LSD, magic mushrooms, etc).  Marijuana isn't an hallucinogen, but the seriously high doses available through vaping oil can have weird effects.  And there was a spate for a while of some marijuana being laced with other drugs, which just fucks everything up.  I don't know how likely it is that a cannabis oil product would be laced with anything else, and certainly not a legally available commercial product. 

However Claire is definitely heading to a new location! 

Yeah you are correct that any kind of experimentation with narcotics really should include at least one experienced user to act as a guide.

OK, Marijuana - in any form - is not a narcotic.  Narcotics are pain relievers that specifically target the opioid receptors in the nervous system for pain relief, and are addictive.  While marijuana can have a pain relieving effect, it's not a narcotic, and has been shown to be no more (physically) addictive than chips.  Psychological addiction is a different story, as it is with anything else. 

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Doesn't just apply to drugs either. There's sexual experimentation, even other completely non-threatening activities.

Yes, you should definitely have an experienced guide on any kind of trip - even the ones where you're actually just traveling! 

[insert the last line from the Grateful Dead's Truckin' here]
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: BlueFatima on 13 Nov 2018, 06:44
I worked in a university library for several years while I was in college. Yes, these friend/coworker/boss relationships are accurate (at least compared to the experiences I had). I became close platonic friends with a boss. We roomed together after I quit, too...so if you want to talk about blurred boundaries and working relationships there you go.

I actually miss that place to the point I'd consider going back to work at a library even though it is out of my field, and I'd make a fraction of my current earnings. It was like a family with few of the vices and dysfunctionality most families have, and it had good benefits, too, between healthcare and tuition remission. People were professional, but their personalities were casual. We were just a bunch of nerds who loved to read, help people, and maybe enjoyed categorizing things as well. Of course, I'm sure not every library is like that, but when I see Marten, Tai, and Claire working together, it brings me back fond memories.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: OldGoat on 13 Nov 2018, 09:48
Since neither Claire nor Magustus* have voiced any objections to Tai's presence - indeed, the seem very glad she's joined them - Tai cannot have transgressed.  No one else has any standing to object.  It's not unlike certain church-goers objecting to the activities of consenting adults out of public view.  It's none of their God damned business.

On the other hand, chocolate chip cookies are usually baked at 350įF/177įC and will certainly generate copious quantities of smoke if left in too long.  Further, the inhalation of the products of combustion of Nature's Leaf is alleged to have a marked effect upon the individual's perception of time (or so I'm told).  Concern about an excess of cookie fumes engendering a fire service response is thoroughly justified.


*"Momma Augustus" contracted - She needs a name, Jeph.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: Scarlet Manuka on 13 Nov 2018, 21:19
Further, the inhalation of the products of combustion of Nature's Leaf is alleged to have a marked effect upon the individual's perception of time (or so I'm told).  Concern about an excess of cookie fumes engendering a fire service response is thoroughly justified.
This is what timers are for, even when not under the influence of any sort of leaf.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: SmilingCat on 16 Nov 2018, 18:37
OK, Marijuana - in any form - is not a narcotic.  Narcotics are pain relievers that specifically target the opioid receptors in the nervous system for pain relief, and are addictive.  While marijuana can have a pain relieving effect, it's not a narcotic, and has been shown to be no more (physically) addictive than chips.  Psychological addiction is a different story, as it is with anything else. 

Your definition of narcotic is not the only definition, or even the only right definition (or even necessarily an accurate definition). Broadly defined, a narcotic is any drug or substance affecting mood or behavior that is used for non-medical purposes. Thus, Marijuana is a narcotic, but so is Caffeine.

Legally, Marijuana is classified as a narcotic under the "Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs" treaty of 1961. Alongside opioids, synthetic opiods, and other drugs such as cocaine.

In its original form, a narcotic was a substance that induced sleep (from the Greek for "To Make Numb"). Association with opioids came later.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: Near Lurker on 16 Nov 2018, 21:53
As a grunt in the medical community, though, I can say it's certainly the way doctors use it nowadays, right down to the fact that our allergy listing (which has categories for macrolides, cillins, benzos, statins, triptans, NSAIDs, what-have-you) doesn't even have a category for "opioids" - it's "narcotics."
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: SmilingCat on 16 Nov 2018, 22:45
Medical definition is not the sole definition, however. Or even necessarily the most common. Or the definition used for legal purposes.

The bane of language is that there's a bunch of different groups all using the same word differently.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: Case on 17 Nov 2018, 01:48
If I were to partake (I don't), I think I'd prefer something that big over those small pen type models. Our obsession with cramming powerful batteries into tighter and tighter spaces is nothing but trouble.

Not so - unless we then decide to carry around those small powerful batteries on our bodies, preferably right next to major bloodvessels and/or sensitive organs in order to maximise hazard and distress in the event of catastrophic failure.

Humans ...
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: Carl-E on 18 Nov 2018, 14:35
Medical definition is not the sole definition, however. Or even necessarily the most common. Or the definition used for legal purposes.

The bane of language is that there's a bunch of different groups all using the same word differently.

The whole problem with legal definitions is that they tend to use circular reasoning.  The 1961 treaty you mentioned defined narcotics to be those drugs they wanted to control, because it's easy to rationalize the control of narcotics.  See Webster's definition part b;

narcotic (noun)
1a : a drug (such as opium or morphine) that in moderate doses dulls the senses, relieves pain, and induces profound sleep but in excessive doses causes stupor, coma, or convulsions

b : a drug (such as marijuana or LSD) subject to restriction similar to that of addictive narcotics whether physiologically (see physiological) addictive and narcotic or not

I prefer the medical definition, simply because it's actually accurate (out of necessity). 
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: SmilingCat on 18 Nov 2018, 16:33
You may prefer the medical definition (I like precise definitions myself). But you can't ignore other definitions simply because they displease you. They're out there. They're real. You don't get to ignore them by shouting them down.

(continuing thought) Recall that even the medical definition isn't somehow a purer expression of the original intent of the word Narcotic. It was likewise co-opted for somewhat arbitrary reasons to define an explicit class of drug, not because it's what the original word meant. In the original strict definition some strains of marijuana would have very much applied (while others wouldn't) as a psychoative compound with sleep inducing properties. And some opiods would not have.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: Carl-E on 20 Nov 2018, 06:59
Sorry, not trying to shout anyone down, just trying to define the terms.  "Narcotic" has a lot of baggage with it.  That's why I prefer opiate to that term anyway...

I live my life with opiates.  Well, my daughter does.  They're the only thing keeping her able to function after a medical nightmare going back several years.  And they are definitely narcotic, sleepiness is always a side effect depending on dosage - a delicate balancing act for her. 

And yes, marijuana can make you lethargic.  But it works so differently, and because of that it's non-addictive (except as previously noted).  It really shouldn't be lumped in with the physically addictive drugs like cocaine and opiates.  I think it's just the fact that the legal classification is "for our own good" that bothers me the most! 

And I'm willing to drop it at this point.  Thanks for the discussion, though -- it's been interesting! 
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: BryanP on 20 Nov 2018, 08:32
This is like the inverse of a story I heard in a comedy routine years ago.  The comedian said his parents wanted to try marijuana. So he and a buddy brought some over and smoked with them.  Then his buddy wanted to go do something else and he said "No!  You don't get senior citizens high and then ditch them!"
Title: Re: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)
Post by: Scarlet Manuka on 21 Nov 2018, 00:16
"No!  You don't get senior citizens high and then ditch them!"
Especially if they have acquired dog-summoning powers...