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Title: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: jwhouk on 11 Nov 2018, 15:58
High Times for Claire!  :claireface:

Okay, I'm done.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Castlerook on 11 Nov 2018, 16:31
Looks like its a big hit anyway.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: shanejayell on 11 Nov 2018, 17:15
No strip yet I see...
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: chris73 on 11 Nov 2018, 17:52
I know she isn't but Tai is looking really sketchy in this strip
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Tova on 11 Nov 2018, 18:20
Claire's eyes match her dress nicely now.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: shanejayell on 11 Nov 2018, 18:39
Glad to see no freak out. *lol*
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Carl-E on 11 Nov 2018, 19:37
I now fully expect this week's forum to turn into a heated discussion over ASMR (yeah, had to look it up, and yes, I have it, but don't care to actively seek it out). 


And based on the conversation, I suspect Tai had a bit of a headstart on Claire...


(https://i2.wp.com/mysupremacy.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/b5ae9738be6a44d9002e7a5fe72a66a8.jpg)
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: brasca on 11 Nov 2018, 22:09
At any moment I expect a singing Eric Idle to emerge from a refrigerator. 
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: BenRG on 11 Nov 2018, 23:28
Is this meant to be a reference to the campfire scene in Easy Rider where Jack Nicholson's character starts babbling about the stars being 'little campfires in the sky' with people looking back at her?

I'm also wondering if this arc ends with Tai realising just how silly her recreational choices seem, even to her. I mean, people are calling her a stereotype and I can't see Tai being comfortable with being that in any way! A Tai 'I want to be different' arc where she drags poor Dora into her lifestyle crisis by insisting she help her 'try new stuff' could be funny!
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Tova on 12 Nov 2018, 00:41
You've gone off the "Tai is going to dare an under-the-influence Claire to do something wild and there will be consequences" prediction already?
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: BenRG on 12 Nov 2018, 01:24
All predictions are subject to change by subsequent strips.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Tova on 12 Nov 2018, 03:28
I won't hold it against you, Mister RG! Promise!

Come to think of it, I'm not sure why I thought that this prediction contradicted the earlier one. They could both still happen.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: zzyzx on 12 Nov 2018, 05:30
I can suggest some Phish shows to listen to! ;)

Actually I saw a ton of Phish in the Amherst/Northampton area in 89-92 when I was at Bard.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: BryanP on 12 Nov 2018, 11:23
One day theyíll legalize it at the national level here and Iíll try it. Sigh.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Thrillho on 12 Nov 2018, 12:57
Why does it demand local legality?
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Castlerook on 12 Nov 2018, 18:49
It's just a shame that for such a great word, we will never hear Sisqo sing the "Flong Song".
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: shanejayell on 12 Nov 2018, 19:38
Flooooooooong

 :-D

One of these days I wanna try pot brownies. Just to see what the whole deal is.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Gyrre on 12 Nov 2018, 20:32
Why does it demand local legality?

'States' rights' is the pat answer, 'overprotective parents who'll never again vote for the senator/governor/legislature that past it' is more likely the real answer.

Also the logging industry still needs to diversify since non-drug hemp can be used to make paper.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 12 Nov 2018, 21:55
"Cerulean" is the best word in English.

I hope Akima logs in and can tell us the best word in Mandarin.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: BenRG on 12 Nov 2018, 23:19
Yeah, Jeph is definitely aiming for a few strips of 'Tai and Claire being stoned and random' here. That said, I'm not entirely sure how much of this is due to the drug. Claire has the habit of being random anyway and Tai likes interacting with people so much that you can be sure that she'll reciprocate!

Oddly enough, it's panel 4 that gets my attention. Is Tai's hand just coincidentally behind Claire's head or is she trying to stop her from sliding off onto the floor by grabbing the back of her vest?
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Thrillho on 13 Nov 2018, 00:27
Why does it demand local legality?

'States' rights' is the pat answer, 'overprotective parents who'll never again vote for the senator/governor/legislature that past it' is more likely the real answer.

Also the logging industry still needs to diversify since non-drug hemp can be used to make paper.

I more meant for this one person to try it.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: JoeCovenant on 13 Nov 2018, 00:40
Coming soon:

"Dave's not HERE, man!"
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: oeoek on 13 Nov 2018, 00:45
Claire is sinking. Or the world is going up. Flongngngng.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: traroth on 13 Nov 2018, 00:53
The best french word is "florilŤge", in my opinion.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: traroth on 13 Nov 2018, 00:57
It seems Claire is now a liquid...
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Carl-E on 13 Nov 2018, 02:08
See, this is why I stopped toking when I got into grad school. 


You just never get anything done...
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: oddtail on 13 Nov 2018, 03:30
Claire's so wrong. The best English words are "groovy", "rapscallion", and "bizarre".
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: jwhouk on 13 Nov 2018, 03:44
Why does it demand local legality?

10th Amendment to the Constitution.

EDIT: Which Gyrre already pointed out, thanks.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Tova on 13 Nov 2018, 04:08
Claire's so wrong. The best English words are "groovy", "rapscallion", and "bizarre".

But then, there's also "shenanigans" and "serendipitous."
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: BenRG on 13 Nov 2018, 04:17
I agree with Scott Adams that the most fun word in English is 'unscrupulous'. It even feels fun to say it! Go ahead, say it yourselves! I'm sure you'll enjoy it!
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Tai Fanboi on 13 Nov 2018, 04:30
(https://i.imgur.com/wjct2MV.gif)
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: BryanP on 13 Nov 2018, 04:38
Why does it demand local legality?

Because a random drug test at work could then cost me my livelihood as well as removing other rights.

I use that livelihood for things like food, shelter, and putting two daughters through college.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Thrillho on 13 Nov 2018, 05:26
Why does it demand local legality?

Because a random drug test at work could then cost me my livelihood as well as removing other rights.

I use that livelihood for things like food, shelter, and putting two daughters through college.

You get drug tested at work? Jesus.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Cornelius on 13 Nov 2018, 05:29
(https://i.imgur.com/VVmb42y.jpg)

One of my friends at college used to try and get the word "snoodaard" in every conversation.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: cesium133 on 13 Nov 2018, 05:34
Why does it demand local legality?

Because a random drug test at work could then cost me my livelihood as well as removing other rights.

I use that livelihood for things like food, shelter, and putting two daughters through college.

You get drug tested at work? Jesus.

It's pretty common in the U.S. I work at a national lab, and had to be drug tested before I could start working there.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Zebediah on 13 Nov 2018, 05:42
Yeah, drug testing is a feature of many professions. I got regularly tested as a software developer working for a major corporation.

Off-topic - this is either a Tapatalk bug or some weird interaction between the forum and Tapatalk, but Tapatalk is informing me that I am banned from the forum. Obviously this is incorrect since I can still post through a browser. But somebody with access to the back end may want to take a look.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Thrillho on 13 Nov 2018, 05:48
Seems pretty Orwellian. I can understand it for jobs with some kind of privilege or precision involved - like a lab for example.

But why the hell should I get drug tested to stack shelves at Walmart??
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Castlerook on 13 Nov 2018, 06:18
Seems pretty Orwellian. I can understand it for jobs with some kind of privilege or precision involved - like a lab for example.

But why the hell should I get drug tested to stack shelves at Walmart??

Didn't Walmart used to stock firearms?

But yeah, I've never been drug tested, but I have been breathalysed at work. I was working at a distillery at the time and I was assigned to the warehouses, which meant we were checking on several hundred thousand litres of highly flammable alcohol, so it was to make sure that (i) no one was sampling the stock but more importantly (ii) you had competent and sober people in case there was an incident.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: pwhodges on 13 Nov 2018, 06:23
Off-topic - this is either a Tapatalk bug or some weird interaction between the forum and Tapatalk, but Tapatalk is informing me that I am banned from the forum. Obviously this is incorrect since I can still post through a browser. But somebody with access to the back end may want to take a look.

Most likely Tapatalk has an IP address range which has a conflict with an old ban.  I'll try to find it in the logs.  Thanks for the report.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Thrillho on 13 Nov 2018, 07:10
Seems pretty Orwellian. I can understand it for jobs with some kind of privilege or precision involved - like a lab for example.

But why the hell should I get drug tested to stack shelves at Walmart??

Didn't Walmart used to stock firearms?

But yeah, I've never been drug tested, but I have been breathalysed at work. I was working at a distillery at the time and I was assigned to the warehouses, which meant we were checking on several hundred thousand litres of highly flammable alcohol, so it was to make sure that (i) no one was sampling the stock but more importantly (ii) you had competent and sober people in case there was an incident.

Walmart is a bad example then. But also, Jesus Christ guns in supermarkets.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: pwhodges on 13 Nov 2018, 07:27
Most likely Tapatalk has an IP address range which has a conflict with an old ban.  I'll try to find it in the logs.  Thanks for the report.

The latest ban included a Tapatalk address, because the person concerned had been using Tapatalk  :~)
Now sorted.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Castlerook on 13 Nov 2018, 07:52
Walmart is a bad example then. But also, Jesus Christ guns in supermarkets.

'Murica.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Zebediah on 13 Nov 2018, 08:01
Most likely Tapatalk has an IP address range which has a conflict with an old ban.  I'll try to find it in the logs.  Thanks for the report.

The latest ban included a Tapatalk address, because the person concerned had been using Tapatalk  :~)
Now sorted.
Confirmed. I can now use Tapatalk again. Many thanks.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: dutchrvl on 13 Nov 2018, 10:56
Flooooooooong

 :-D

One of these days I wanna try pot brownies. Just to see what the whole deal is.

If you have a good response to smoking pot, you'll probably like it, unless you dislike the delayed response.

Personally, just like smoking pot, it isn't for me. Apparently my physiology is such that I either don't feel anything interesting or, when upping the dose, simply feeling like extraordinary crap. Nothing in between so never a nice feeling. Ergo, marijuana is not for me nor do I really understand the appeal of it.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: dutchrvl on 13 Nov 2018, 10:57


One of my friends at college used to try and get the word "snoodaard" in every conversation.

In all fairness 'snoodaard' IS a pretty damn good Dutch word  :laugh:
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Thrillho on 13 Nov 2018, 11:10
Brownies are a much warmer entry point than smoking in a number of senses. But it's also a much longer experience and it creeps up on you.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: DSL on 13 Nov 2018, 11:40
A strait-laced friend of mine sampled brownies neither of us knew know were hashed, at a college party long ago.
She ate one brownie as we talked, then another, and presently there were no more brownies.
We talked for two hours.
Several years later, she brought that up in conversation.
She did not remember talking to me.

(click to show/hide)

Also, "Moggy" is the best word in the English language. Americans should steal it from the British. And give back "spot on" in return.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Pilchard123 on 13 Nov 2018, 11:55
Is the response you expected "that sounds like it could have gone horribly wrong - were you deceived into eating them or did you just not realise?"
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Roborat on 13 Nov 2018, 12:06
Yeah, drug testing is a feature of many professions. I got regularly tested as a software developer working for a major corporation.

Off-topic - this is either a Tapatalk bug or some weird interaction between the forum and Tapatalk, but Tapatalk is informing me that I am banned from the forum. Obviously this is incorrect since I can still post through a browser. But somebody with access to the back end may want to take a look.

I can see random drug testing for occupations that have a strong safety aspect, but a software developer? Really?   What are you going to do, program some really laid back code?
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Tova on 13 Nov 2018, 12:19
Excuse me for interrupting this conversation, but why in seven hells are a bunch of forumites, including a moderator, giving a poster a hard time for not being willing to break the law? I mean, I agree with you that it shouldn't be against the law, but really? They've said they're not willing to. This is flirting with online bullying.

Whatever you think of random drug tests at work, how about taking this conversation somewhere it isn't off-topic? Better yet, dropping it. It's their choice, not yours.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Thrillho on 13 Nov 2018, 12:25
I certainly wasn't deliberately giving a hard time to anybody.

BryanP, if you're feeling jumped on here, then I apologise. My original question was mainly because the legality aspect hasn't stopped 99% of the people I know. I was curious as to why it stopped you in particular, and then my aghast responses were at American employment policy and law, certainly not at you.

The off-topic point is definitely noted, so let's all - including me - get back to the comic, eh?
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: A small perverse otter on 13 Nov 2018, 14:07
Yeah, drug testing is a feature of many professions. I got regularly tested as a software developer working for a major corporation.

Off-topic - this is either a Tapatalk bug or some weird interaction between the forum and Tapatalk, but Tapatalk is informing me that I am banned from the forum. Obviously this is incorrect since I can still post through a browser. But somebody with access to the back end may want to take a look.

I can see random drug testing for occupations that have a strong safety aspect, but a software developer? Really?   What are you going to do, program some really laid back code?
There are at least three reasons. One is uniformity: if you test and fire fork-lift operators, you need to treat your software developers the same way. Just saying "Well, it won't matter" is both unfair and possibly untrue. You don't actually know what downstream consequences your policy might have. The second is liability mitigation: on-premise intoxication is closely associated with an increase in HR violations, ranging from misuse of company resources...like, you know, a fork-lift?...to increases in impermissible harassment. The third is information and physical security: if you are using a controlled substance incorrectly, then your risk of activities which impair site or information security rises due to impaired judgment.

You can reasonably argue that the same concerns apply to alcohol, and you'd be right. That's one of the reasons that some companies impose a no alcohol policy on company events: they're limiting risk.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: pwhodges on 13 Nov 2018, 14:39
I agree we should be careful around this subject (but it is what the comic is currently about).  But I see no bullying.  If anything I see sympathy for being bound by laws and their enforcement which many people would rather see changed.  Plus an explanation of circumstances in which restrictions absolutely make sense (just as drink/drive laws do).
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Theta9 on 13 Nov 2018, 16:45
Yeah, drug testing is a feature of many professions. I got regularly tested as a software developer working for a major corporation.
I was a school bus driver until just a couple of months ago, and anybody who wants a Commercial Driver's License has to submit to a DoT physical which includes a drug test - DoT is a federal body. Even though weed's legal here in Oregon.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: BryanP on 13 Nov 2018, 16:57
I certainly wasn't deliberately giving a hard time to anybody.

BryanP, if you're feeling jumped on here, then I apologise. My original question was mainly because the legality aspect hasn't stopped 99% of the people I know. I was curious as to why it stopped you in particular, and then my aghast responses were at American employment policy and law, certainly not at you.

The off-topic point is definitely noted, so let's all - including me - get back to the comic, eh?

Iíve been offline most of the day, so Iím just seeing this. Itís fine.

And since you and others were talking about it, guns also play in to it. Iím one of those eeeeevil gun owners who likes to blow holes in defenseless paper targets at my local firing range. Based on recent court decisions, even if my state legalizes medical marijuana, until itís completely legalized at the federal level I canít touch it or I lose my rights to own firearms.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Tova on 13 Nov 2018, 17:12
If anything I see sympathy for being bound by laws and their enforcement which many people would rather see changed.

That's not what I saw. But let's move on.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: SmilingCat on 13 Nov 2018, 17:36
Some thoughts:

1)  Walmart isn't a supermarket (and even selling groceries is a relatively new thing for a lot of them). It's basically a department store. They have an outdoor and hunting department, therefore guns (they still sell them).

2) Personally, I always liked the way certain chemical names sounded. Hexachlorobutadiene.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: bhtooefr on 13 Nov 2018, 18:13
Walmart Supercenters are a type of hypermarket, really - both a department store and a supermarket in one. (Meijer is another example in the US, and they also sell firearms. Which, at an event I was at in Kentucky, horrified a Canadian guy at the event, who learned that you couldn't buy alcohol on a Sunday at 8 AM, but you could buy firearms and ammo.)
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: zisraelsen on 13 Nov 2018, 19:05
Comic!
Tai's finding a lot to squeak about today. I... think that's good?
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Tova on 13 Nov 2018, 21:17
I just wanted to mention that "verklempt" is also an excellent word, which I will use at the slightest provocation.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Gyrre on 13 Nov 2018, 21:30
Walmart Supercenters are a type of hypermarket, really - both a department store and a supermarket in one. (Meijer is another example in the US, and they also sell firearms. Which, at an event I was at in Kentucky, horrified a Canadian guy at the event, who learned that you couldn't buy alcohol on a Sunday at 8 AM, but you could buy firearms and ammo.)

Generally speaking, beer is a terrible beverage when hunting.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: BenRG on 13 Nov 2018, 23:24
New comic up and Claire is going through the huggy phase. It's sweet to see how close she is to her mother and I think Tai's reaction to being included is genuinely adorable.

That said, I can't shake the feeling that they're all going to end up doing something silly whilst under the influence. It's just making them all so silly that I've got the feeling that they're going to start going down the "well, it seemed like a good idea at the time.." cul-de-sac.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Sullivan on 13 Nov 2018, 23:47
ED IS THE TRUE PATH TO NIRVANA!  ED HAS BEEN THE CHOICE OF EDUCATED AND IGNORANT ALIKE FOR CENTURIES!  ED WILL NOT CORRUPT YOUR PRECIOUS BODILY FLUIDS!!  ED IS THE STANDARD TEXT EDITOR!  ED MAKES THE SUN SHINE AND THE BIRDS SING AND THE GRASS GREEN!!
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Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: traroth on 14 Nov 2018, 00:56
Yeah, drug testing is a feature of many professions. I got regularly tested as a software developer working for a major corporation.

Off-topic - this is either a Tapatalk bug or some weird interaction between the forum and Tapatalk, but Tapatalk is informing me that I am banned from the forum. Obviously this is incorrect since I can still post through a browser. But somebody with access to the back end may want to take a look.

I can see random drug testing for occupations that have a strong safety aspect, but a software developer? Really?   What are you going to do, program some really laid back code?

Software doesn't always mean your regular word processor. It could also mean embedded software for planes or nuclear power plants. Or even military stuff involving nuclear explosions, for example...
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: traroth on 14 Nov 2018, 01:04
Yeah, drug testing is a feature of many professions. I got regularly tested as a software developer working for a major corporation.
I was a school bus driver until just a couple of months ago, and anybody who wants a Commercial Driver's License has to submit to a DoT physical which includes a drug test - DoT is a federal body. Even though weed's legal here in Oregon.

So weed is legal in Oregon, but if you smoke some, you may loose your job, if you are a bus driver. How weird is that?
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: JoeCovenant on 14 Nov 2018, 01:14
Yeah, drug testing is a feature of many professions. I got regularly tested as a software developer working for a major corporation.
I was a school bus driver until just a couple of months ago, and anybody who wants a Commercial Driver's License has to submit to a DoT physical which includes a drug test - DoT is a federal body. Even though weed's legal here in Oregon.

So weed is legal in Oregon, but if you smoke some, you may loose your job, if you are a bus driver. How weird is that?

Much the same as... "Alcohol is legal, but if you drink it then try to drive a bus, you'll lose your job.", I would imagine?
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Akima on 14 Nov 2018, 01:54
You can reasonably argue that the same concerns apply to alcohol, and you'd be right. That's one of the reasons that some companies impose a no alcohol policy on company events: they're limiting risk.
A place I worked introduced a Happy Hour on Friday night where beer was served in the company canteen. Then, all too predictably, a couple of people were RBTed driving home, and lost their licences, so the company shut it down. Much better to never have started it, IMHO.

ED IS THE TRUE PATH TO NIRVANA!  ED HAS BEEN THE CHOICE OF EDUCATED AND IGNORANT ALIKE FOR CENTURIES!  ED WILL NOT CORRUPT YOUR PRECIOUS BODILY FLUIDS!!  ED IS THE STANDARD TEXT EDITOR!  ED MAKES THE SUN SHINE AND THE BIRDS SING AND THE GRASS GREEN!!
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Editor wars... Don't make eye-contact, and just keep walking.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: pwhodges on 14 Nov 2018, 02:05
Back in the '70s when I was writing my own OS and environment, naturally I wrote my own text editor.  Equally inevitably it was called PHED.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Near Lurker on 14 Nov 2018, 02:33
...how many Wal-Marts even have produce?  To me, this is the sine qua non, with even a few convenience stores around me having onions, potatoes, and bananas, but not the local Wal-Mart, which doesn't have firearms, but if it did they'd most likely be between the mountain bikes and the fishing rods.  Wal-Mart's a department store, not a grocery store, or even anything in between.  Sure, they've got a few packaged foods, but even Staples has candy.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: bhtooefr on 14 Nov 2018, 03:38
Near Lurker: Every Walmart Supercenter (and every Neighborhood Market, but those don't have firearms, as they're just a grocery store), which is... approximately every Walmart anywhere near me.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Tai Fanboi on 14 Nov 2018, 04:55
With regards to the drug testing debate...  Well most companies will tell you it's about health and happy employees.  Most will say federal guidelines, company policy etc.  Basically when you boil it down, it's the same as anything.  Liability.  They don't want the bad PR, they don't want to have money come out of their pockets.  I'll use two very extreme, very fictional examples.  Company A, let's call it Schmoeing...  Schmoeing makes airplane parts for commercial and government contracts.  Little Timmy is blitzed on ghost pepper nitrous shots, or whatever the kids are doing now'a'days, and his cuts on ginglymus #3 are half an inch out of spec.  This results in a commercial airliner having a forced landing and an FAA investigation.  Now, if Schmoeing didn't do drug tests?  Senators and Congressmen would be on the news blaming their lack of principles and dragging them through the mud, jeopardizing the contracts and the entire company.  But since they do, now they increase scrutiny for awhile, random testing becomes mandatory for a few months, everything dies down when one of the Kardashians sneezes and pushes the story out of the news, and everything can go back to normal where it's truly a random screen, and/or the company can use it to try to trip up some problematic employee and fire them for policy violation and not have to pay them severance or unemployment. 

Company B.  Grandma's Groceries, HVAC system has a vent and a fan that blows over a warm plate of oatmeal cookies for the proper ambiance while shopping.  Billy has worked for Grandma for years, model employee.  Billy does like his Sweet Chowder though (Cocaine and Sour dough, drug soup out of Boston y'know) but he is responsible and doesn't do it at work.  However someone called out sick on Billy's day off and Grandma is in a bind so he wanted to help out.  He gets the shakes at work and while he's stocking a shelf full of surstrŲmming his shakes knock over a can and it lands on some ladies head, now she's going to sue the whole company.  Grandma's now in trouble and her reputation is in the tank because her company hires no good, strung out hop heads and she doesn't test them all for the devils lettuce. 

Basically, you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.  Most companies simply have it as another possible tool in their legal bag of tricks for when/if something ever happens.  This way blame can be shifted to the degenerate, drug using employee as opposed to the company itself. 
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: War Sparrow on 14 Nov 2018, 06:38
...how many Wal-Marts even have produce?  To me, this is the sine qua non, with even a few convenience stores around me having onions, potatoes, and bananas, but not the local Wal-Mart, which doesn't have firearms, but if it did they'd most likely be between the mountain bikes and the fishing rods.  Wal-Mart's a department store, not a grocery store, or even anything in between.  Sure, they've got a few packaged foods, but even Staples has candy.

The Supercentres all have produce; they're pretty common here in Canada. But you don't buy guns in ours, to my knowledge.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 14 Nov 2018, 07:01
...how many Wal-Marts even have produce?  To me, this is the sine qua non, with even a few convenience stores around me having onions, potatoes, and bananas, but not the local Wal-Mart, which doesn't have firearms, but if it did they'd most likely be between the mountain bikes and the fishing rods.  Wal-Mart's a department store, not a grocery store, or even anything in between.  Sure, they've got a few packaged foods, but even Staples has candy.

The Supercentres all have produce; they're pretty common here in Canada. But you don't buy guns in ours, to my knowledge.

I honestly have not seen a non-supercenter Wal Mart in a lot of years. The same with K-mart, if you can find one of those still open. There was a time when they were just department stores, but these days if you find one it's probably an old legacy story that hasn't been scrapped in favor of a new supercenter yet. They want to make sure you buy as much as possible from them.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Theta9 on 14 Nov 2018, 07:16
Yeah, drug testing is a feature of many professions. I got regularly tested as a software developer working for a major corporation.
I was a school bus driver until just a couple of months ago, and anybody who wants a Commercial Driver's License has to submit to a DoT physical which includes a drug test - DoT is a federal body. Even though weed's legal here in Oregon.

So weed is legal in Oregon, but if you smoke some, you may loose your job, if you are a bus driver. How weird is that?

Much the same as... "Alcohol is legal, but if you drink it then try to drive a bus, you'll lose your job.", I would imagine?
Difference is, you only test positive for alcohol when you're actually drunk. Smoke up on a Friday evening after work, you can test positive even a couple of weeks later, even if you're cold sober when tested.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Theta9 on 14 Nov 2018, 07:43
So I'm still not clear on this... does Tai like to party?
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: traroth on 14 Nov 2018, 07:52
Yeah, drug testing is a feature of many professions. I got regularly tested as a software developer working for a major corporation.
I was a school bus driver until just a couple of months ago, and anybody who wants a Commercial Driver's License has to submit to a DoT physical which includes a drug test - DoT is a federal body. Even though weed's legal here in Oregon.
So weed is legal in Oregon, but if you smoke some, you may loose your job, if you are a bus driver. How weird is that?

Much the same as... "Alcohol is legal, but if you drink it then try to drive a bus, you'll lose your job.", I would imagine?

No, that's not the same at all! I never spoke about cannabis consumption at work. Traces of cannabis consumption can be detected in a blood sample months after last consumption, so it's a total ban for those who have drug tests for professional reasons.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Nepiophage on 14 Nov 2018, 08:47
ED IS THE TRUE PATH TO NIRVANA!  ED HAS BEEN THE CHOICE OF EDUCATED AND IGNORANT ALIKE FOR CENTURIES!  ED WILL NOT CORRUPT YOUR PRECIOUS BODILY FLUIDS!!  ED IS THE STANDARD TEXT EDITOR!  ED MAKES THE SUN SHINE AND THE BIRDS SING AND THE GRASS GREEN!!
?
ed is a very very bad text editing program, long since superseded. Even vi is better. Anyone who really believed the above would be in serious need of psychiatric help.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: cesium133 on 14 Nov 2018, 10:33
ED IS THE TRUE PATH TO NIRVANA!  ED HAS BEEN THE CHOICE OF EDUCATED AND IGNORANT ALIKE FOR CENTURIES!  ED WILL NOT CORRUPT YOUR PRECIOUS BODILY FLUIDS!!  ED IS THE STANDARD TEXT EDITOR!  ED MAKES THE SUN SHINE AND THE BIRDS SING AND THE GRASS GREEN!!
?
ed is a very very bad text editing program, long since superseded. Even vi is better. Anyone who really believed the above would be in serious need of psychiatric help.

Of course. Nano is the true path to enlightenment.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Bollthorn on 14 Nov 2018, 12:08
Taisqueak is adorable ^-^
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Roborat on 14 Nov 2018, 12:09
Yeah, drug testing is a feature of many professions. I got regularly tested as a software developer working for a major corporation.

Off-topic - this is either a Tapatalk bug or some weird interaction between the forum and Tapatalk, but Tapatalk is informing me that I am banned from the forum. Obviously this is incorrect since I can still post through a browser. But somebody with access to the back end may want to take a look.

I can see random drug testing for occupations that have a strong safety aspect, but a software developer? Really?   What are you going to do, program some really laid back code?
There are at least three reasons. One is uniformity: if you test and fire fork-lift operators, you need to treat your software developers the same way. Just saying "Well, it won't matter" is both unfair and possibly untrue. You don't actually know what downstream consequences your policy might have. The second is liability mitigation: on-premise intoxication is closely associated with an increase in HR violations, ranging from misuse of company resources...like, you know, a fork-lift?...to increases in impermissible harassment. The third is information and physical security: if you are using a controlled substance incorrectly, then your risk of activities which impair site or information security rises due to impaired judgment.

You can reasonably argue that the same concerns apply to alcohol, and you'd be right. That's one of the reasons that some companies impose a no alcohol policy on company events: they're limiting risk.

All valid points, I agree with you, now that I think about it, I wasn't looking at big picture, just focusing on why some coder being high would be an issue.   However, there is one thing I am concerned about.  I agree with not being high at work, same as not being drunk or otherwise impaired at work, but the problem with random drug testing for marijuana is that it will pick up what you did a week ago, when you partook in your own free time on the weekend, even though you are completely free of any effects at work.  That needs to be refined so that false positives don't occur.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: dutchrvl on 14 Nov 2018, 13:22
I don't really have anything useful to share at the moment, but I was just reading the comic and then this thread (while at work, yes), decided to randomly check my phone, and it was.......4:20 pm......AAAHHH
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: dutchrvl on 14 Nov 2018, 13:23
Also I am very curious where this is going. At the moment this storyline is not really doing much for me, but it has tons of potential to get really interesting really fast :)
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Tova on 14 Nov 2018, 14:39
For all the predictions of where this is clearly going, I suspect it's going nowhere.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: War Sparrow on 14 Nov 2018, 15:14
It's going to love, and cookies.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Thrillho on 14 Nov 2018, 15:21
Something else has to happen other than them getting high and enjoying themselves. Even if not immediately, later.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: A small perverse otter on 14 Nov 2018, 16:02
ED IS THE TRUE PATH TO NIRVANA!  ED HAS BEEN THE CHOICE OF EDUCATED AND IGNORANT ALIKE FOR CENTURIES!  ED WILL NOT CORRUPT YOUR PRECIOUS BODILY FLUIDS!!  ED IS THE STANDARD TEXT EDITOR!  ED MAKES THE SUN SHINE AND THE BIRDS SING AND THE GRASS GREEN!!
?
ed is a very very bad text editing program, long since superseded. Even vi is better. Anyone who really believed the above would be in serious need of psychiatric help.

Of course. Nano is the true path to enlightenment.
There is no editor. There is only Emacs.

And Visual Studio.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Theta9 on 14 Nov 2018, 16:25
Something else has to happen other than them getting high and enjoying themselves. Even if not immediately, later.
Conversation, even 5t0n3d conversation, can still move the story forward.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: jwhouk on 14 Nov 2018, 16:59
One last comment on the drug testing debate: CDL drivers are actually mandated to have drug tests done annually.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Tova on 14 Nov 2018, 17:17
Something else has to happen other than them getting high and enjoying themselves. Even if not immediately, later.

Good point.

It's going to love, and cookies.

This.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: zisraelsen on 14 Nov 2018, 18:43
For those of you familiar with smoking, how quickly can the experience go from pleasant (like Claire's having now) to a panic attack (like Claire had last time)?
 I can see that being the next "conflict" (i think thats the wrong word) in the comic but im not really sure if trips that start positive can turn that quickly.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Toe on 14 Nov 2018, 20:24
Today's comic feels like a rip of this C&H comic, TBH:

(http://files.explosm.net/comics/Kris/gingerbread.png)
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Tova on 14 Nov 2018, 21:11
Well, today's comic certainly hasn't changed my mind. But since some of you undoubtedly bridle at the idea that this might be a story arc about nothing - apologies to Seinfeld - I've decided to indulge in my favourite self-indulgent story analysis activity, which is to shoehorn this recent arc into the Hero's Journey archetype. Perhaps by using this time-honoured technique, we can gain some real insight into where Jeph intends to go. This is serious business, so let's get started.

Order of points is slightly shuffled of course - that, too, is traditional.

1. Ordinary world. Claire is trying to study for her exams and is getting anxious.
2. Call to adventure. After multiple interruptions, Claire realises that she will be fine and should stop worrying. What to do now?
3. Refusal of the call. To Clinton's bemusement, Claire thinks to go back to the library, because libraries are fun!
4. Crossing the threshold. Claire decides to smoke up with her Mum. Or is it smoke out?
5. Meeting the mentor. Tai arrives to act as mentor on this new and exciting journey for Claire.
6. Tests, allies, enemies. Claire's first hit is bigger than intended. She begins to experience unfamiliar symptoms, but lucky for her, Tai is there to reassure her. To demonstrate the extent of Claire and Tai's bonding, they briefly exchange characteristics - Claire becomes fascinated with the word flong, and Tai wonders out loud about looking something up on JSTOR for fun.
7. Approach to innermost cave Claire is extremely flonged out, but is able to express her love for her Mum and for Tai, to Tai's delightr.

What now? Ordeal? Hopefully no anxiety.
The road back aka the Deflonging.
Resurrection: Claire still must face THE EXAM.
Return with the elixir: Claire's approach to these exams pays off with her earning top marks.

Copyright: me.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Carl-E on 14 Nov 2018, 22:39
For those of you familiar with smoking, how quickly can the experience go from pleasant (like Claire's having now) to a panic attack (like Claire had last time)?
 I can see that being the next "conflict" (i think thats the wrong word) in the comic but im not really sure if trips that start positive can turn that quickly.

It can turn on a dime, and depends a great deal on your own personal triggers and insecurities.  Also on changes in environment, which is why it's good to stay in a safe, comfortable space while toking, rather than to travel about. 

Running across a policeman in your travels can really change your levels of paranoia and panic! 



Oh, and commercial driver's drug testing includes marijuana for a very good reason - the same aspects of THC that cause the neato effects and time distortions can severely slow your reflexes, and the effect can last long past the "high", leaving drivers impaired on the road for several weeks after participating.  The stuff works its way out of your nervous system very slowly. 

Such testing is something that may not change even after legalization - alcohol is legal, but driving under the influence is not! 
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: BenRG on 14 Nov 2018, 23:26
New comic up and it's something that was doubtless hilarious in Jeph's head but is neither funny to me nor even slightly comprehensible why it needed to be done.

All that aside, I do hope that Marten has a wheelbarrow because Claire is certainly not going to be walking home!
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: SmilingCat on 15 Nov 2018, 00:48
Obviously a moose shaped cookie would just be a cookie.

While a Moose made of cookies would be a multitude of cookies unified into a single living organism. A brain of jello cookies with coconut neural structure. A spinal column of chocolate cookies and pockys, cerebrospinal fluid of pure, ice cold milk. Chocolate, peanut butter and coconut no bake musculature surrounding a rich, delicious macadamia nut cookie skeletal structure. An entire organ system composed of pure confectionary goodness.

Shortbread cookie antlers.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: helo on 15 Nov 2018, 04:21
I'm confused now. Weed doesn't normally cause hallucinations like this...
What has Jeph been smoking?
Was it just cannabis in that vape?
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: oddtail on 15 Nov 2018, 04:39
I'm confused now. Weed doesn't normally cause hallucinations like this...
What has Jeph been smoking?
Was it just cannabis in that vape?

It's a common trope in fiction to include effects of other drugs in how marijuana's effects are presented. This may be the case here.

Alternatively, maybe they're just talking about the possibility, and the picture is not a hallucination, merely an illustration of the weird turn the conversation took. And talking about weird stuff is very much something that happens when you're on weed, I would say.

(I mean, it doesn't look that way, but it may be serious artistic liberties taken in the name of keeping the visual medium visual. Also, QC has been known to be more than a little surreal, so there is that.)
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Thrillho on 15 Nov 2018, 05:47
Yeah unless it's laced with something it would need to be very strong to induce hallucinations, and if it was making Tai hallucinate then Claire should be hunched over a toilet whiteying away everything she has eaten the past week. I suspect it's just a visual of what they were talking about.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: BenRG on 15 Nov 2018, 06:16
There are hallucinations and then there are just wild imaginations set loose. I think that Claire is visualising the weird ideas that are running through her head. A cookie moose who is the Mayor of Cookieland! Why... Why weren't there ever any cartoons like that on TV when she was a kid?!?
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: DSL on 15 Nov 2018, 06:36
Ordinarily, a cookie shaped like a moose would be a moose cookie, but that invites another mental image (see "road apples," "meadow muffins" and "mule fritters").

Unless Claire meant "cookie mousse," a tasty if impractial possibility, though an aspiring librarian is probably up on her spelling.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Theta9 on 15 Nov 2018, 07:01
Torrentz
"I Love Cookies" (feat. Manna, Ham​-​STAR, & Milk​-​Plus)
The Big Kahuna
Scrub Club Records (2011) (https://torrentz.bandcamp.com/track/i-love-cookies-feat-manna-ham-star-milk-plus)
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Tova on 15 Nov 2018, 19:01
COMIC

and Jeph has decided to reference the current Wondermark series oh god

Anyway, there's step #8, ordeal. It's all up from here.

p.s. banana latte sounds awful
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: ZoeB on 15 Nov 2018, 21:38
I've never been drug tested at work. Maybe they assumed that anyone with really interesting security clearances, and who were used to safety critical work where if you screw up, people may die, perhaps thousands of people, would be so risk averse as a matter of culture they'd be careful about any psychogenic materials, legal or not.

I have been breathalysed a dozen times or more, because we have RBT - random breath testing. Police set up a checkpoint, and pull over vehicles at random.

Personally, because I have an unusual metabolism, with non standard neurotransmitters, it's wise to play it safe. I have a strong allergy to the plant cannabis sativa, meaning dope smoke acts like tear gas on me, and I get sneezing fits if I enter a room where grass has been smoked in the last few days.

I have a high tolerance for Pethidine (Demorol), Fentanyl appears to have no effect, Morphine hyper effect, BP and heart rate crashed with a 'test to see if safe' dose, Codeine phosphate normal.

The things you learn when being taken to resusc in an intensive care ambulance. Apparently I have ridiculously large numbers of Kappa receptors, but little in the way of Mu or Delta ones.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is that one should be prudent about the use of psychoactive chemicals. Humans vary in their responses. A dose that is safe for 99% of the population might be very unsafe for some of the other 1%. Best is to try microdoses first under medical supervision, or, if known to have anomalous responses like me , steer clear unless necessary.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Tova on 15 Nov 2018, 22:27
I'm just going to put it out there that I've never had a single encounter with Mary Jane.

Judge away.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: BenRG on 15 Nov 2018, 23:22
The entire first chunk of this strip tells its own, fascinating micro-plot which is this: Marten and Dora are very much over their break-up. Not exactly startling news, I suspect that it was at least a year ago in-comic time. However, it's good to see them so relaxed and able to communicate with each other without awkwardness. Heck, in panel 2, Dora even felt able to use a pet-name!

I'm still trying to work out when the other shoe will drop with Claire, Tai and Claire's mother. I suspect that Marten and Dora will need to come and collect their respective girlfriends on the grounds that they are not fit to walk anywhere unaccompanied. They may also need Faye and Bubbles to help them push the wheelbarrows they'll need to carry the unwary stoners!

I've got a feeling that Dora and Marten may find it a bit hard to handle a pair of 'snuggly' girls who doubtless want to them them what wonderful SOs they are! Doing stuff is harder when you have someone who absolutely will not release their hug attached to you! :wink:
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: chason on 15 Nov 2018, 23:27
I'm just going to put it out there that I've never had a single encounter with Mary Jane.

Judge away.

I'm still not sure why you're convinced that others are judging people for not partaking on this forum. I've seen no evidence of any such judging.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Tova on 15 Nov 2018, 23:36
Who said I was convinced? As you say, there's no evidence for it.

I was just being a bit over-defensive. I suspected there might be someone out there.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Drunken Old Man on 15 Nov 2018, 23:53
I'm just going to put it out there that I've never had a single encounter with Mary Jane.

Judge away.
Likewise, and given my hippie-like attitude and appearance, people always assume that I DO partake.  I've had it passed to me and immediately kept it  moving.

I feel no judgement here though... merely idle curiosity.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: SmilingCat on 16 Nov 2018, 00:43
I'm just going to put it out there that I've never had a single encounter with Mary Jane.

Judge away.

Expecting to be judged for an insignificant fact is pretty judgemental.  :-P
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Tova on 16 Nov 2018, 00:47
Do you think so? What makes you say that?

If I told you that I was more worried it would appear insecure, would you think *that* was judgement?
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: traroth on 16 Nov 2018, 00:47
That last hit was a...

...

(wait for it...)

...

HEADSHOT!!!
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: SmilingCat on 16 Nov 2018, 00:53
Do you think so? What makes you say that?

Mostly a sense of humorous symmetry. Though I would argue that expecting people to judge you for something insignificant is at least adjacent to assuming that they are the kind of people who would judge you for something insignificant. Can't expect someone to do something jerkish without assuming they're at least a little jerkish.

Honestly, I didn't mean anything too terribly deep by it. I'm probably just feeling introspective. Also, you did ask us to judge away.  :-D
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Tova on 16 Nov 2018, 00:56
LOL fair enough.  :mrgreen:

Anyway, let's get back to the comic. Random observation: that is rather long hair, and a quite dapper hat, in panel one.

I'm still kind of hoping she'll be fine for the exam.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: BenRG on 16 Nov 2018, 01:15
Anyway, let's get back to the comic. Random observation: that is rather long hair, and a quite dapper hat, in panel one.

The style of those two background characters is subtly different; I'm hoping that Jeph is going to confirm that they are either a friend's OCs, based on friends or based on women he saw at a convention at some point.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: traroth on 16 Nov 2018, 01:35

Anyway, let's get back to the comic. Random observation: that is rather long hair, and a quite dapper hat, in panel one.


Yes, the one with the long hair might be an elf, imo...

(also: I just learned the word "dapper". At last, I know what George Clooney's hair grease brand "Dapper Dan" in "O Brother, Where Art Thou?" means)
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: rork310 on 16 Nov 2018, 01:41
Actually I can answer this one. The characters in the background are JJ and Emily from "The Missing: J.J. Macfield and the island of memories" a game by Swery. The guy behind Deadly Premonition and D4.

https://assets1.ignimgs.com/2018/10/18/themissing-thumb-1539835241345_1280w.jpg for a picture of JJ and Emily.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Redball on 16 Nov 2018, 05:38
COMIC

and Jeph has decided to reference the current Wondermark series oh god


O God indeed! I can understand it, though. If you produce a comic strip and you've seen that sick elephant line as many times as Wondermark readers have, maybe the impulse to regurgitate it is irresistible.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: dutchrvl on 16 Nov 2018, 06:18
I'm just going to put it out there that I've never had a single encounter with Mary Jane.

Judge away.

I'm still not sure why you're convinced that others are judging people for not partaking on this forum. I've seen no evidence of any such judging.

Me neither, no judging whatsoever. I do however, sometimes feel like MJ use here is somewhat....exalted? glorified? (not sure which word is better)
Probably not the case and just my own odd interpretation though  :-\
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Thrillho on 16 Nov 2018, 07:06
Here specifically as in this forum? Because that's surprising to me (and yes, me, from earlier in the thread) and possibly something the mods would need to chat about.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Castlerook on 16 Nov 2018, 08:17
I wouldn't say it was exalted or glorified, but rather its more socially acceptable to talk about, even compared to a few years ago.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: pwhodges on 16 Nov 2018, 08:41
Bear in mind that the comic author lives in a place where cannabis use is legal, and it is legal in various states of the US, also in at least one European country represented here.  Any international forum is going to meet issues over which different members will have differing views and be subject to different laws.  This forum prefers to allow the union of the possibilities to be discussed, rather than restricting discussion to the intersection of the possibilities (or worse, tying it to one jurisdiction) which would amount to censorship.  Of course, this also requires the users of the forum to be aware of this, and to be prepared to learn about and tolerate local differences without inappropriate judgement.  The option to step away from a particular discussion is always there, and doing that is not a reason for anyone to be judged in turn.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: jwhouk on 16 Nov 2018, 08:58
I can't say much. I live across the street from a Dispensary. (Medical use only, of course.)
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Carl-E on 16 Nov 2018, 09:03
Thank you, PWHodges.  Ever the voice of reason. 

I'd also like to point out that everything I've mentioned in here is based on a combination of knowledge gained through curiosity over many years, and rather heavy use in my now-distant youth.  It's been about 30 years since I've had a toke, and for good reasons. 



(mostly having to do with the memory effects and the fact that I have a bad one to begin with.  Losing whole chunks of one's life was not an enjoyable side effect)
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: War Sparrow on 16 Nov 2018, 11:12
I guess the point I'm trying to make is that one should be prudent about the use of psychoactive chemicals. Humans vary in their responses. A dose that is safe for 99% of the population might be very unsafe for some of the other 1%. Best is to try microdoses first under medical supervision, or, if known to have anomalous responses like me , steer clear unless necessary.

Words of wisdom from the Science Fairy.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: JohnTheWysard on 16 Nov 2018, 14:34
"The number you have reached is an imaginary number. Please hang up, rotate your phone 90 degrees clockwise, and try again."

"Why clockwise?"
"If you go the other way you'll get negative results."
"And why exactly 90 degrees?"
"Well... otherwise things get complex."
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: ZoeB on 16 Nov 2018, 16:43
"The number you have reached is an imaginary number. Please hang up, rotate your phone 90 degrees clockwise, and try again."

"Why clockwise?"
"If you go the other way you'll get negative results."
"And why exactly 90 degrees?"
"Well... otherwise things get complex."

Let's keep it Real, OK?
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Case on 16 Nov 2018, 17:49
I'm just going to put it out there that I've never had a single encounter with Mary Jane.

Judge away.

I spent much of my twenties in a sincere, committed relationship with Ms Jane.

'Tis okay, Tova.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Sullivan on 16 Nov 2018, 22:54

ED IS THE TRUE PATH TO NIRVANA!  ED HAS BEEN THE CHOICE OF EDUCATED AND IGNORANT ALIKE FOR CENTURIES!  ED WILL NOT CORRUPT YOUR PRECIOUS BODILY FLUIDS!!  ED IS THE STANDARD TEXT EDITOR!  ED MAKES THE SUN SHINE AND THE BIRDS SING AND THE GRASS GREEN!!
?
Editor wars... Don't make eye-contact, and just keep walking.
Oh, I know. I used to use ed (and later, the improved version, ex).

An unadorned "?" was ed's standard (and only) error message, hence my "comment".

The Unix philosophy: "If you don't know what mistake you made, you shouldn't be using ed. Oh heck, you probably shouldn't even be using Unix."
:D
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Theta9 on 17 Nov 2018, 07:18
One last comment on the drug testing debate: CDL drivers are actually mandated to have drug tests done annually.
I've had my CDL since July/August 2017 and only been tested twice: onc as part of the DoT physical exam preparatory to getting my license, and once within a couple of hours after I ran the bus off the road into a ditch (not why I don't drive the bus now BTW.) Drivers for the company I worked for are subject to random testing, but my number never came up.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: jwhouk on 17 Nov 2018, 08:04
Yeah, have an accident with a CDL and expect to pee in a cup very shortly thereafter.


If you're in one piece and survive, that is. (https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/mesa-traffic/2018/11/16/arizona-mesa-fatal-crash-us-60-higley/2023199002/)
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Baphomet on 17 Nov 2018, 09:46
COMIC

and Jeph has decided to reference the current Wondermark series oh god


O God indeed! I can understand it, though. If you produce a comic strip and you've seen that sick elephant line as many times as Wondermark readers have, maybe the impulse to regurgitate it is irresistible.
I'm certainly approaching the point where my impulse to regurgitate when I read that line is irresistible. I kept expecting that it would eventually circle around to being funny again after enough repetition, but (at least as far as I'm concerned) it still feels like it's been going approximately 14 billion years too long. I liked Wondermark, dammit!
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Johkmil on 17 Nov 2018, 12:35
Cannabis storylines in various media are always a mixed bag for me, as I was relatively close to one who was that 1%. Full-blown psychosis, in and out of institutions -- the whole nine yards. It isn't ever going away. What makes it insidious to me is that his brother was totally fine after spending a few years as a full-time stoner, part-time bowling alley receptionist until his band took off. It's so difficult to judge ahead of time -- your brother's been smoking for years, surely you won't react badly?

Yet, how else were we going to see Mayor Cookiemoose?
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 17 Nov 2018, 17:50
Welcome, new person!

The real question is whether he's a chocolate moose.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: traroth on 17 Nov 2018, 18:41

ED IS THE TRUE PATH TO NIRVANA!  ED HAS BEEN THE CHOICE OF EDUCATED AND IGNORANT ALIKE FOR CENTURIES!  ED WILL NOT CORRUPT YOUR PRECIOUS BODILY FLUIDS!!  ED IS THE STANDARD TEXT EDITOR!  ED MAKES THE SUN SHINE AND THE BIRDS SING AND THE GRASS GREEN!!
?
Editor wars... Don't make eye-contact, and just keep walking.
Oh, I know. I used to use ed (and later, the improved version, ex).

An unadorned "?" was ed's standard (and only) error message, hence my "comment".

The Unix philosophy: "If you don't know what mistake you made, you shouldn't be using ed. Oh heck, you probably shouldn't even be using Unix."
:D

And even "if you make mistakes, learn to live with the consequences. We don't ask for confirmation and we don't do undo"
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Nepiophage on 18 Nov 2018, 14:29
"The number you have reached is an imaginary number. Please hang up, rotate your phone 90 degrees clockwise, and try again."

"Why clockwise?"
"If you go the other way you'll get negative results."
"And why exactly 90 degrees?"
"Well... otherwise things get complex."

Let's keep it Real, OK?

Please be rational.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Penquin47 on 18 Nov 2018, 14:50
"The number you have reached is an imaginary number. Please hang up, rotate your phone 90 degrees clockwise, and try again."

"Why clockwise?"
"If you go the other way you'll get negative results."
"And why exactly 90 degrees?"
"Well... otherwise things get complex."

Let's keep it Real, OK?

Please be rational.

It's Thanksgiving.  Why don't we discuss all this over some nice pi?
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: hedgie on 18 Nov 2018, 15:21
I'll have the raspberry.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Carl-E on 18 Nov 2018, 15:50
A la mod? 
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: jwhouk on 18 Nov 2018, 16:01
No, ala mode. You know, the highest frequency, Kenneth.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: DaiJB on 18 Nov 2018, 16:08

p.s. banana latte sounds awful

 :-P  True

Does the doodle of a cat with a halo mean anything?

GASP! Is Mieville okay?!?
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: JoeCovenant on 19 Nov 2018, 01:11


Does the doodle of a cat with a halo mean anything?



I'm taking that as Jeph's little homage to our household's recent little tragedy.

 :cry:
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Johkmil on 19 Nov 2018, 02:30
Welcome, new person!

The real question is whether he's a chocolate moose.

Thank you!
I have been lurking around here for years, but realised that I had postponed making a user several times for fear of the "this guy made an account for this"-effect. I finally stopped caring.

He could be any flavour of moose, really. Especially given the situation. Perhaps his flavoral properties are more closely explored this week?
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Theta9 on 19 Nov 2018, 09:00
Thank you!
I have been lurking around here for years, but realised that I had postponed making a user several times for fear of the "this guy made an account for this"-effect. I finally stopped caring.
Cookiemoose? You made an account to post about COOKIEMOOSE?


(I'm skidding; Saul Goodman)
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Scarfington on 25 Nov 2018, 16:39
Hello everyone!

I am really enjoying this arc! From the beginning I knew that the mix of characters would make a fun story. Tai is a super experienced stoner and mostly functional recreational drug user. I like that she has consistently been the voice of reason and experience, and now is the one calling in "an adult" when the situation needs it.

Whatever your opinions on cannabis use, this comic has been a pretty good example of responsible drug use and safe trip practices. I appreciate that a lot!
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: asteroidswithwings on 26 Nov 2018, 04:26
Never mind drugs, what about that blonde in 3875? Will we see more of her in future? :D

Would have tweeted this but Twitter reckons Jeph's blocked me, which is strange as I'm fairly certain I've never had any interaction with him before and certainly can't imagine why I'd be blocked! Ah well. :(
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: BenRG on 26 Nov 2018, 04:29
Never mind drugs, what about that blonde in 3875? Will we see more of her in future? :D

I doubt it; she and her friend with the hat are another artist's OCs, so he'd need their permission to use them.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: bhtooefr on 26 Nov 2018, 05:05
Never mind drugs, what about that blonde in 3875? Will we see more of her in future? :D

Would have tweeted this but Twitter reckons Jeph's blocked me, which is strange as I'm fairly certain I've never had any interaction with him before and certainly can't imagine why I'd be blocked! Ah well. :(

There's some Twitter blocklists going around, and some of them have inaccurate blocks. (I know of a popular anti-GamerGate list that a TERF got control of and started blocking lots of trans people, for instance.) Could be that Jeph is using such a list.
Title: Re: WCDT 12-16 November 2018 (3871-3875)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 26 Nov 2018, 10:08
Never mind drugs, what about that blonde in 3875? Will we see more of her in future? :D

Would have tweeted this but Twitter reckons Jeph's blocked me, which is strange as I'm fairly certain I've never had any interaction with him before and certainly can't imagine why I'd be blocked! Ah well. :(

Welcome, new person!