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Title: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: jwhouk on 09 Dec 2018, 18:07
Time for another week of comics!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: shanejayell on 09 Dec 2018, 19:27
Its nice to see more Coffee of Doom bits.

It's funny that the strip used to be JUST Marten's apartment & Coffee of Doom set, and now it's all over the place. :D
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: BenRG on 09 Dec 2018, 23:22
Time for another week of comics!

Well, maybe and maybe not. Right now, Jeph seems to be marooned in Internal Flight Hell.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: oeoek on 10 Dec 2018, 01:42
Time for another week of comics!

Well, maybe and maybe not. Right now, Jeph seems to be marooned in Internal Flight Hell.

Ah, oui!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: BenRG on 10 Dec 2018, 01:47
Well, Jeph has finally arrived in France after what I understood from his Twitter feed was a very, very delayed flight. So...

New comic up!

Jeph, if you ever wondered why I preferred Bubbles with long hair, today's strip is the reason. I think she would have looked beautiful with her long hair blowing out in the breeze... Sigh! :angel:

Onto the point of the strip: It took me a while to realise what was going on. Roko and Bubbles are somehow sharing a tea hallucination. This isn't something that I would expect to be possible even if they had the same blend of tea. This is something new: I believe that Bubbles and Roko networked together so they could both be in the same dreamspace and continue their conversation without the tea affect impacting on their comprehension of what they were both saying. This is a fascinating new capability that Jeph has revealed and I'm hoping that we see it explored in other contexts!

Now... Is Roko the first fellow synthetic outside of her immediate circle... or possibly the first fellow synthetic at all whom she's told that she's in a relationship with a human woman? Cute blush from Bubbles in those panels too!

Oh, and Bubbles? You are squishy; it's just taken some time for you to let anyone else see that! :wink:
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: Tyr on 10 Dec 2018, 02:32
Given the imagery, I'm guessing that Roko is networked into Bubbles' sensory suite, rather than it being an amalgam of both of their sensory inputs.

Just throwing that out into the conversation.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: traroth on 10 Dec 2018, 05:09
I get this dialog is happening in unicorn grove, but one thing is bothering me: why does Roko have different clothes than in real world, and not Bubbles?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: BenRG on 10 Dec 2018, 05:11
It's a windy day in Unicorn Valley, so Roko's mind has added her coat to her ensemble. The subconscious isn't bound by what you're actually wearing whilst creating your dreamscape self-image.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: artag on 10 Dec 2018, 05:17
Well. Another comic, another assumption challenged.

Bubbles chose to become a soldier. I kind of assumed she was built for it.

So maybe the AIs are built / grown / whatever as minds, and then fitted to a suitable chassis to suit their intentions. I guess that fits with the general idea that swapping chassis is a fairly common thing. That makes them much more like a sentient being than a robot (which, I guess, they are), even though there seem to be differences in intellect between them : pint-size, melon, winthrop in one class, roko, bubbles, corpse-witch more advanced.

We don't know much about the AI's brain technology (or maybe multiple technologies). We do know they can be transferred, and it appears this is via data connection rather than a physical transplant but there might be issues of memory capacity or processing power.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: DSL on 10 Dec 2018, 05:22
A guess as to why Roko's dressed more casually/athletically in the tea fantasy land:

Roko's just come off a job interview and is wearing a buttondown. Some people are comfortable in those things and others view them as stiff and "formal," about half a step down from a straitjacket (or so I've heard  ...) In addition, much of her life has been in uniform. 
(Contrast this with the observation made by another forumite that the humaniform AIs in the strip tend to go for the "athleisure" look -- activewear such as warmup jackets and hoodies, track pants or leggings/tights. It's ease, comfort, about as non-formal as you can get.)
Roko's outward persona is "formal." She would, or at the moment thinks she would, like to be otherwise. So she's wearing the outdoor/athleisure look in tea fantasy land, as opposed to her buttondown and khakis in QCRL. Bubbles, who's already mostly comfortable (or much moreso than before) with who she is and what she presents, is already there.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: traroth on 10 Dec 2018, 05:22
Well. Another comic, another assumption challenged.

Bubbles chose to become a soldier. I kind of assumed she was built for it.

So maybe the AIs are built / grown / whatever as minds, and then fitted to a suitable chassis to suit their intentions. I guess that fits with the general idea that swapping chassis is a fairly common thing. That makes them much more like a sentient being than a robot (which, I guess, they are), even though there seem to be differences in intellect between them : pint-size, melon, winthrop in one class, roko, bubbles, corpse-witch more advanced.

We don't know much about the AI's brain technology (or maybe multiple technologies). We do know they can be transferred, and it appears this is via data connection rather than a physical transplant but there might be issues of memory capacity or processing power.

What intention could have a new born / built / grown IA?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: DSL on 10 Dec 2018, 05:33
If an AI gets a new body by consciousness transfer (upload) rather than by physical brain-swap, is the AI in the new body the same as the AI in the old body? Or does the AI continue to exist in the old body (until it's wiped) while the AI in the new body thinks it's the original?

Has this topic been visited in re: QC in this forum? Either way, it's a trope of the more thoughtful science fiction, ranging from the 1950s stories about the man who kills his clone/robot copy because the copy thinks he's the original (but the story leaves in doubt which one's dead at the end) to the Star Trek fans who wonder the same thing about the Starfleet People Fax (aka the Transporter).
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: BenRG on 10 Dec 2018, 05:41
Both Winslow and Momo's transfer show that no remnant of the AI mind remains in a vacated chassis. In both cases, other AIs could not even find remnants of their system code in the drive.

This is at variance with how RL computer systems work. My guess is (warning technobabble ahead) that the AI drives use some form of storage and data transfer medium other than digital optical or magnetic storage. Possibly some kind of quantum data state where the data cannot be copied, only transferred as a single, integrated entity.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: pwhodges on 10 Dec 2018, 06:30
Both Winslow and Momo's transfer show that no remnant of the AI mind remains in a vacated chassis. In both cases, other AIs could not even find remnants of their system code in the drive.

This is at variance with how RL computer systems work. My guess is (warning technobabble ahead) that the AI drives use some form of storage and data transfer medium other than digital optical or magnetic storage. Possibly some kind of quantum data state where the data cannot be copied, only transferred as a single, integrated entity.

This is exactly how digital minds are handled in the obscure 2006 anime Zegapain, which includes as a plot point the possibility of irreparable memory and personality damage if a glitch happens during the transfer.  Quantum computers is their way of doing this, too.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: Pablo360 on 10 Dec 2018, 06:57
Both Winslow and Momo's transfer show that no remnant of the AI mind remains in a vacated chassis. In both cases, other AIs could not even find remnants of their system code in the drive.

This is at variance with how RL computer systems work. My guess is (warning technobabble ahead) that the AI drives use some form of storage and data transfer medium other than digital optical or magnetic storage. Possibly some kind of quantum data state where the data cannot be copied, only transferred as a single, integrated entity.

This is exactly how digital minds are handled in the obscure 2006 anime Zegapain, which includes as a plot point the possibility of irreparable memory and personality damage if a glitch happens during the transfer.  Quantum computers is their way of doing this, too.

That's what I was thinking, too — after all, if robots have sufficiently-complex brains, the no cloning theorem of quantum mechanics means that copying them while leaving the original intact is impossible.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: shanejayell on 10 Dec 2018, 07:00
That was sweet. :D
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: OldGoat on 10 Dec 2018, 07:04
I don't have time to look for the individual strips, but there have been at least a couple references to a core memory module that can be extracted, moved to another chassis, or even destroyed.  I think Corpse Witch took one out of a client (with permission, no less) to show Fay.

So, when Momo and Winslow transferred, the core module switch presumably happened off-camera and moved core personalities, tendencies, interests, etc.  The cable transfer handled acquired memories, training, skills, and so on.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 10 Dec 2018, 07:44
Well. Another comic, another assumption challenged.

Bubbles chose to become a soldier. I kind of assumed she was built for it.


One of the archive masters could supply a link to the strip where Momo asked Bubbles why anyone would want to be a soldier.

Jeph has said (long ago and I forget where) that new AIs have "absolute free will" and can just go for a chassis and career of their own choosing. He said it's a mystery why so many want to sign up as companions to humans.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: hedgie on 10 Dec 2018, 08:19
Humans are interesting, especially to beings with an alien intelligence. 
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: zisraelsen on 10 Dec 2018, 09:12
Emotional squishiness is a compliment, Bubbs.
Plus, no one could pretend to call you squishy physically. You have literal bulletproof abs.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: War Sparrow on 10 Dec 2018, 09:33
"I am too tough!"

My husband tries that one too. I have doubts.

Appropos of nothing, what's it mean when a username has a line though it? Is it a perma-ban, or a "this person has left the forum" note in general? I always wondered, but couldn't find a good place to ask it.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: pwhodges on 10 Dec 2018, 11:18
A struck-through name is a banned user whose account still exists; what you referred to as "perma-ban".  We have a different system for short punishment bans of a few days which shows a coloured triangle under their profile next to their posts.  It is also possible to delete a user account and retain the posts, which then show the account's original name (even it got changed later) but no profile and not as a link; in the past this has been requested by a leaving user.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: War Sparrow on 10 Dec 2018, 11:33
Oh, okay. Logical, thank you.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: alc40 on 10 Dec 2018, 11:40
I have a little time so I went digging around about AI memories & transfers.  The ones I found are from various time frames, and the earlier comics may well be inconsistent with later ones:

59 (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=59): Pintsize on Marten's desktop
268 (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=268): implication that backups could be kept, although Marten deleted it
2000 (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2000): Momo gets a new chassis
3008 (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3008): Corpse Witch removing an AI drive
3044 (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3044): Marten has memory backups of Pintsize
3376 (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3376): Bubbles talking about AI minds
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: specter177 on 10 Dec 2018, 12:56
I have a little time so I went digging around about AI memories & transfers.  The ones I found are from various time frames, and the earlier comics may well be inconsistent with later ones:

59 (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=59): Pintsize on Marten's desktop
268 (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=268): implication that backups could be kept, although Marten deleted it
2000 (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2000): Momo gets a new chassis
3008 (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3008): Corpse Witch removing an AI drive
3044 (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3044): Marten has memory backups of Pintsize
3376 (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3376): Bubbles talking about AI minds

The back-up might be memories only, not a full personality, so you couldn't just transfer that into another chassis and have a copy running around without the "base" program also.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: Pogopotamus on 10 Dec 2018, 14:48
So ...assuming AIs get to "choose" a body and Bubbles appears to be a MILspec super duty fighting/military chassis that (assumedly) she got when she became a solider do we further assume they get to keep whatever hardware they had from the last job they performed?  You'd think the military might want that specialized hardware chassis back for re-use or just might not want it wandering around the civilian landscape.  They did take back Pintsize's death ray.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: OldGoat on 10 Dec 2018, 15:37
I have a little time so I went digging around about AI memories & transfers.  The ones I found are from various time frames, and the earlier comics may well be inconsistent with later ones:

59 (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=59): Pintsize on Marten's desktop
268 (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=268): implication that backups could be kept, although Marten deleted it
2000 (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2000): Momo gets a new chassis
3008 (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3008): Corpse Witch removing an AI drive
3044 (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3044): Marten has memory backups of Pintsize
3376 (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3376): Bubbles talking about AI minds

And #3406 (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3406) in which Bubbles sayeth unto Corpse Witch, "I could rip you apart, tear out your mind substrate, and crush it to dust in my hands."  I presume "mind substrate" means the crystal lantern looking thingie she removed from Higgs's robonoggin in #3008 (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3008).
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: Case on 10 Dec 2018, 19:22
So ...assuming AIs get to "choose" a body and Bubbles appears to be a MILspec super duty fighting/military chassis that (assumedly) she got when she became a solider do we further assume they get to keep whatever hardware they had from the last job they performed?  You'd think the military might want that specialized hardware chassis back for re-use or just might not want it wandering around the civilian landscape.  They did take back Pintsize's death ray.

Hmmmmh - Yes, they took Pintsize's laser (which, I hasten to add, he was prone to firing at anything that took his fancy, apropos nothing at all) but not his body. Presumably, the QC-verse AIs have 'an opinion' about taking away an intelligence's body they've accustomed to - probably less extreme than humans would rate the equivalent treatment applied to one of their own, but I doubt it would qualify for 'charitably', 'enthusiastic' or 'kindly'. Their chassis' relevance to an AIs sense of identity and personhood is probably different from the equivalent relation we have with our bodies, but IMO, we've seen some indications that it's by no means 'not a big deal'.

Second, unlike Pintsize, Bubbles has given no indication of being anything but scrupulously restrained in the application of her chassis' capabilities (admittedly, ill-positioned walls and bothersome doors seem to rank somewhat lower on her list of 'things that warrant restraint due to ethical concerns'.)

Thirdly, QC-verse is positively teeming with AIs mingling with humans while inhabiting chassis' capable of effortlessly denting steel, or literally dis-arming each other, without any of the meatbags present showing the slightest signs of fear or distress (*) (**)

Furthermore, we don't know that the military hasn't already deactivated and/or removed some of her systems - what we know is that she is walking a very large and very strong chassis around ... manymany other very large and strong AI-chassis. Could be that her most militarily relevant hardware has little to do with her chassis' structural capabilities.

And, last, but maybe not least: The only way known to us so far of incapacitating someone inhabiting the type of chassis Bubbles is wearing is a battlefield EMP specifically tailored to overcoming her military-grade chassis' defences against EMPs. It's probably safe to assume that anything that can knock Bubbles out will likely also do seriously unpleasant things to the artificial brains of any AI in the vicinity, not to mention any critical urban infrastructure that fails to evacuate to a safe distance in a timely fashion.

So maybe, there was a staff-meeting somewhere that abruptly ended in a deafening silence after someone asked the innocuous question "What if she says 'No'?"



(*) Note the italics - I didn't forget that humanity has a wee bit of a way to go yet before AI can consider themselves universally accepted. The casual non-reaction most Northampton residents display vis a vis 'artificial people who could dis-arm me!' walking around seems to indicate that QC-verse humanity is not at the very beginning of said learning process).

(**) No, Marten doesn't count, on account of ... of ... Being! Marten!.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: JoeCovenant on 11 Dec 2018, 03:44

Anyone else have problems getting onto the page/forum today?

(No new comic.. :(   )
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: BenRG on 11 Dec 2018, 03:47
Yeah, Jeph's webhost was down for about 5-6 hours this morning for hardware maintenance and so both the comic and the forums were inaccessible. They're up again now (as you can doubtless see). However, Jeph has said that he won't be able to upload today's strip for a while. In the meantime, he says he's made yesterday's Patreon post accessible to guests as well as members so today's strip should now be visible there until he is able to do the upload.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: oeoek on 11 Dec 2018, 04:08
Thank you Jeph and BenRG for saving my daily shot of QC !

As for Bubbles failure to see how shit would improve the situation: EVERYTHING feel better after a good bowel movement...
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: BenRG on 11 Dec 2018, 05:20
If I was asked to say what I thought today's strip was about it's this: It's about Roko's relationship with SpookyBot (isn't this the first time that they've been named in canon?). You see, I'm thinking that Roko is genuinely scared of SpookyBot and the way she hides behind Bubbles in panel 5 proves it, in my view.

I suppose I can get that. I mean, how happy would you or I be if the local equivalent of Loki or Q decided that we were interesting or funny enough to spend time playing with our lives? I know that I wouldn't like it at all! I really think that a mortal's life isn't intended to sustain the interest or attention of whatever your universe's trickster god turns out to be without considerable damage. Perhaps this is also another indicator that Roko is the 'everyman' for this phase of Questionable Content - our surrogate through whose eyes we see and understand this fictional universe because her perspective is not different from ours.

I do think that Bubbles believes that she has a handle on SpookyBot and maybe that sense of understanding makes them less an unknowable mystery. To Bubbles, SpookyBot is just a very, very powerful and intellectually different AI but, in their ultimate essence, not that different from her. Would that make her the AI equivalent of a Humanist?

No, I'm not expecting SpookyBot to jump out at any point. Be they Q, Loki, Coyote or whatever, they're never there when you expect them to be! That's all part of the mystique of the role!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: traroth on 11 Dec 2018, 05:36
No QC today? Is JJ alright?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: hakko504 on 11 Dec 2018, 05:45
I don't have time to look for the individual strips, but there have been at least a couple references to a core memory module that can be extracted, moved to another chassis, or even destroyed.  I think Corpse Witch took one out of a client (with permission, no less) to show Fay.
3008 (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3008), when Fay applied for a job with Corpse Witch.
No QC today? Is JJ alright?
Presumable the site problems during the morning prevented Jeph from posting at his regular time. A strip for today has been posted on Patreon.
https://www.patreon.com/posts/pink-floyd-23239342
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: traroth on 11 Dec 2018, 06:09
Ok... Thank you hakko504!

 Roko will shit bricks, of course. Just another bri...
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: Welu on 11 Dec 2018, 06:19
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Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: Zahariel on 11 Dec 2018, 06:21
So ...assuming AIs get to "choose" a body and Bubbles appears to be a MILspec super duty fighting/military chassis that (assumedly) she got when she became a solider do we further assume they get to keep whatever hardware they had from the last job they performed?  You'd think the military might want that specialized hardware chassis back for re-use or just might not want it wandering around the civilian landscape.  They did take back Pintsize's death ray.
I don't have time to hunt through the archives right now, but I think Bubbles implied at some point that the military let her keep the assault chassis in return for her continued silence about any mismanagement of the program and in lieu of any actual therapy for her PTSD. Which is a pretty cruddy consolation prize if you ask me. I don't get the feeling that the military would be in the habit of letting retired AI soldiers keep all kinds of milspec gear. Although there was the one clerkbot Marigold and Momo met at the chassis store that claimed she still had the launch codes for the nuclear submarine she used to be.... not sure if she's a credible witness though.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: sitnspin on 11 Dec 2018, 18:20
It was also implied that she wasn't "allowed" to keep the codes, it was an oversight. Thankfully, they change them fairly often so I doubt the ones she kept are still valid.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: lemonglamour on 11 Dec 2018, 21:18
I KNEW BEEPATRICE WAS NONBINARY, YEAH BOI
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: brasca on 11 Dec 2018, 21:44
Maybe Spookybot will answer your question if you say their name 3 times.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: Scarlet Manuka on 11 Dec 2018, 20:16
Roko and Bubbles are somehow sharing a tea hallucination. This isn't something that I would expect to be possible even if they had the same blend of tea. This is something new

Actually, we've seen it before a few times, like here (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3792).
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: Nepiophage on 11 Dec 2018, 21:06
Hooray, Pink Floyd! When are going to See Emily Play (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5R8EpAv4miA)?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: Near Lurker on 11 Dec 2018, 21:07
I KNEW BEEPATRICE WAS NONBINARY, YEAH BOI

Maybe, but I'd kind of assumed they were just using "they" because they were talking so abstractly.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: A small perverse otter on 11 Dec 2018, 21:19
So ...assuming AIs get to "choose" a body and Bubbles appears to be a MILspec super duty fighting/military chassis that (assumedly) she got when she became a solider do we further assume they get to keep whatever hardware they had from the last job they performed?  You'd think the military might want that specialized hardware chassis back for re-use or just might not want it wandering around the civilian landscape.  They did take back Pintsize's death ray.

Hmmmmh - Yes, they took Pintsize's laser (which, I hasten to add, he was prone to firing at anything that took his fancy, apropos nothing at all) but not his body. Presumably, the QC-verse AIs have 'an opinion' about taking away an intelligence's body they've accustomed to - probably less extreme than humans would rate the equivalent treatment applied to one of their own, but I doubt it would qualify for 'charitably', 'enthusiastic' or 'kindly'.
This makes me think about robot jail. It seems like May had no physical presence anywhere while she was in robot jail; she was only visible outside through Dale's Magic Glasses (TM). Even now, she does not like the chassis she has, but she doesn't have the money to replace it with one that, you know, doesn't fall apart for no apparent reason.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: BenRG on 12 Dec 2018, 00:10
New Comic Up!

Elliott is simply the sweetest guy, isn't he? He literally is so desperate to be nice and helpful to people that he even lets himself come out worse in the deal! Consider that he barely knows Roko except as a customer and a neighbour whom he occasionally may exchange a head-nod with in the corridors! No wonder Jim feels the need to protect him from himself!

That said, Elliott really needs to be careful. People are going to assume that he's got a crush on a certain synthetic femme rather than him just being a nice and somewhat shy guy responding to the needs of a strong personality!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: ascdren on 12 Dec 2018, 01:34

Onto the point of the strip: It took me a while to realise what was going on. Roko and Bubbles are somehow sharing a tea hallucination. This isn't something that I would expect to be possible even if they had the same blend of tea. This is something new: I believe that Bubbles and Roko networked together so they could both be in the same dreamspace and continue their conversation without the tea affect impacting on their comprehension of what they were both saying. This is a fascinating new capability that Jeph has revealed and I'm hoping that we see it explored in other contexts!

we already saw melon crash into Bubbles' tea realm in the past when she was drinking her concoction so I think sharing it has already been established (in 3792)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: dutchrvl on 12 Dec 2018, 06:34
I know it's not exactly the same, but close enough that I'm just going to call yesterday's comic (#3892) a crossover-callback to Alice Grove p62 (http://www.alicegrove.com/page/62)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: shanejayell on 12 Dec 2018, 06:59
Elliot you really are TOO nice.

Did anyone else have the site be down for them yesterday?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: BenRG on 12 Dec 2018, 07:18
Did anyone else have the site be down for them yesterday?

Everyone did. Jeph's hosting company were doing hardware maintenance and the whole domain was down for several chunks of several hours long. Then, if I'm correct, it turned out the upgraded servers were incompatible with SMF leading to long downtimes for the forum and Jeph was having problems convincing the main site to upload images.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: Thrillho on 12 Dec 2018, 09:58
Hooray, Pink Floyd! When are going to See Emily Play (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5R8EpAv4miA)?

And we have a post that beats Hawkwind!

Today's comic is truly lovely. I identify with Elliot quite a lot.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: brasca on 12 Dec 2018, 11:38
Maybe Elliot wants someone that’s easier to work with than Renee. 

Since the Secret Bakery is supposed to mirror Coffee of Doom does that make Roko the Colette or Hannelore of this business?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: artag on 12 Dec 2018, 12:16
Thankfully, they change them fairly often so I doubt the ones she kept are still valid.

They do ?

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/nuclear-missile-code-00000000-cold-war_n_4386784 (https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/nuclear-missile-code-00000000-cold-war_n_4386784)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 12 Dec 2018, 13:02
So ...assuming AIs get to "choose" a body and Bubbles appears to be a MILspec super duty fighting/military chassis that (assumedly) she got when she became a solider do we further assume they get to keep whatever hardware they had from the last job they performed?  You'd think the military might want that specialized hardware chassis back for re-use or just might not want it wandering around the civilian landscape.  They did take back Pintsize's death ray.
I don't have time to hunt through the archives right now, but I think Bubbles implied at some point that the military let her keep the assault chassis in return for her continued silence about any mismanagement of the program and in lieu of any actual therapy for her PTSD. Which is a pretty cruddy consolation prize if you ask me. I don't get the feeling that the military would be in the habit of letting retired AI soldiers keep all kinds of milspec gear. Although there was the one clerkbot Marigold and Momo met at the chassis store that claimed she still had the launch codes for the nuclear submarine she used to be.... not sure if she's a credible witness though.

Welcome, new person!

Another speculation is that it's like being allowed to keep your uniform when you muster out, an idea with the obvious weakness that any chassis which makes it possible to explode craters in brick walls is a weapon rather than a garment.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: War Sparrow on 12 Dec 2018, 19:41
Elliot is Jane Bennet.

I am convinced.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: Wombt on 12 Dec 2018, 19:54
I KNEW BEEPATRICE WAS NONBINARY, YEAH BOI

Maybe, but I'd kind of assumed they were just using "they" because they were talking so abstractly.
They could be, but...it just seems like in panel 2, Basilisk is talking very directly about Beepatrice. It could also mean that the comments in the corners of these (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3884) comics (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3886) refer to Beepatrice specifically, which I actually think would make more sense. Since they could both be using the plural "they," though, I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: sitnspin on 12 Dec 2018, 21:45
Thankfully, they change them fairly often so I doubt the ones she kept are still valid.

They do ?

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/nuclear-missile-code-00000000-cold-war_n_4386784 (https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/nuclear-missile-code-00000000-cold-war_n_4386784)
Well that's disturbing.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: badbum61 on 12 Dec 2018, 21:53
Since the Secret Bakery is supposed to mirror Coffee of Doom does that make Roko the Colette or Hannelore of this business?

The Emily? or does Brun already have that role tied up?
As lomg as she's not the Sara...
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: BenRG on 13 Dec 2018, 01:31
New Strip Up
There is so much of the cute in this strip that I'm not sure where to start. I think that the thing that really stands out for me is the fact that, in panel 4, Faye is gushing about her girlfriend. This is so sugary and sweet that I'm almost ready to burst! Roko is responding in a similar way that makes me wonder whether Jeph is giving us a clue as to in which direction her preferences may lie (whether or not she is fully aware of it yet) or if she's just a romantic under the gruff personality, much like Bubbles herself.

Poor Bubbles though! It must be hard after so long of walling herself off emotionally to have friends, let alone a woman who has fallen in love with her and is always willing to describe the experience (and who she herself is when not out in the public eye)!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: shanejayell on 13 Dec 2018, 06:57
That was adorbs. :D
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: Shjade on 13 Dec 2018, 07:56
For five seconds I thought I finally knew a song reference Jeph was making in a comic title but no it's just about the fluid Faye was describing oh okay v.v
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: Meander on 13 Dec 2018, 08:29
... to the Star Trek fans who wonder the same thing about the Starfleet People Fax (aka the Transporter).

Remember that they wonder about this canonically, especially Dr McCoy, who despises the Transporter for that very reason.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: OldGoat on 13 Dec 2018, 15:06
Roko is responding in a similar way that makes me wonder whether Jeph is giving us a clue as to in which direction her preferences may lie (whether or not she is fully aware of it yet) or if she's just a romantic under the gruff personality, much like Bubbles herself.

If her preferences lay in that direction, her first tea induced vision would not have looked like this (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3427).
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: SmilingCat on 13 Dec 2018, 17:14
If her preferences lay in that direction, her first tea induced vision would not have looked like this (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3427).

Her vision probably still would have (this seems a trait associated with Assam tea) but she might not have been inclined to go back for a second look.

Or maybe she would. Bisexuals exist.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: Theta9 on 13 Dec 2018, 18:16
If her preferences lay in that direction, her first tea induced vision would not have looked like this (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3427).
...waitaminit, I thot I remembered the sexy unicorn being in a guest strip. What strip am I actually thinking of, when Assam was mentioned and Roko asked if she could buy in bulk?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: alc40 on 13 Dec 2018, 18:49
If her preferences lay in that direction, her first tea induced vision would not have looked like this (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3427).
...waitaminit, I thot I remembered the sexy unicorn being in a guest strip. What strip am I actually thinking of, when Assam was mentioned and Roko asked if she could buy in bulk?
That was Bubbles (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3556) in a guest strip.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: DSL on 13 Dec 2018, 19:54
... to the Star Trek fans who wonder the same thing about the Starfleet People Fax (aka the Transporter).

Remember that they wonder about this canonically, especially Dr McCoy, who despises the Transporter for that very reason.

ee-yup.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: BenRG on 14 Dec 2018, 01:21
New Commic Up!
I find myself genuinely wondering how long ago it was that Dora realised that her destiny was to be surrounded by rumbustious high school girls in the bodies of adult women? That said, if Faye wasn't all rough-and-tumble and dragging everyone else into it, she would question if she was actually dreaming!

Over on Patreon, some have chosen to view this incident as a shippy hint. I, for one, can't see that interpretation. We're just seeing Faye being Faye. In essence, it's just play.

One possibility: Roko has some savings and she gets Faye and Bubbles to fit her with milspec derma, because she wants skin as sensitive and capable as Bubbles has. This opens up the exploration of how synthetics, who can have extensive hardware changes that are fairly non-traumatic in nature, view major body modifications.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: Tyr on 14 Dec 2018, 01:39
I maintain that Faye's behaviour here is a sort of friendship version cross between marking her territory and a mating display, much like when Faye grabbed Martin's nipple back in #13.
It is too late for you Roko. You're being inducted into The Circle.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: pwhodges on 14 Dec 2018, 01:52
I haven't read or watched Azumanga Daioh for ages - I must rectify that.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: Tova on 14 Dec 2018, 02:36
It is too late for you Roko. You're being inducted into The Circle.

Now a part of the Criterion Collection.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: Annemoon on 14 Dec 2018, 02:47
New Commic Up!
Over on Patreon, some have chosen to view this incident as a shippy hint. I, for one, can't see that interpretation. We're just seeing Faye being Faye. In essence, it's just play.

I hold a personal fondness for people who can still enjoy being weird and playfull after childhood.
This comic made me smile ^_^
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: ascdren on 14 Dec 2018, 03:48
This opens up the exploration of how synthetics, who can have extensive hardware changes that are fairly non-traumatic in nature, view major body modifications.

well I think roko (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3572) would disagree about them being "non-traumatic"
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: JoeCovenant on 14 Dec 2018, 05:24

So is this Faye treating Roko like a new *friend* for no apparent reason?

Or is this another example of Faye's baffling 'impersonalisation' of AIs??

(Faaacceee meeaaattts!!!)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: traroth on 14 Dec 2018, 05:47
Faye is lucky those AI don't go all "terminator" on her!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: rtmq0227 on 14 Dec 2018, 07:28

So is this Faye treating Roko like a new *friend* for no apparent reason?

Or is this another example of Faye's baffling 'impersonalisation' of AIs??

(Faaacceee meeaaattts!!!)

I read this more as Faye's perspective as an engineer getting in the way of her (somewhat limited) interpersonal skills.  It seems like she considers AI's bodies/chassis as "things" and their minds/intelligences "people."  It's likely driven by exactly how much she knows at this point about the inner workings of said chassis.  It seems similar to a surgeon's cavalier attitude toward discussing squicky topics regarding the human body, or any professional's tendency to lose any sense of awe regarding their profession.  I'm not sure if it's defensive (if she thought of AI's bodies as an extension of their person-hood, her job would seem much more harrowing) or simply apathy, but I don't believe she thinks it's impersonal to discuss or interact with AI forms in that way.

That said, consent is important, and she's violating all kinds of consent in the last couple strips.  I think introducing Roko, a character who we've seen is highly attached to her chassis and considers it as much a part of her as her matrix, to the group will be an important step for Faye to realize that she's being an ass about this sort of thing, and maybe she'll develop a bedside manner.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: gopher on 14 Dec 2018, 07:46

So is this Faye treating Roko like a new *friend* for no apparent reason?

Or is this another example of Faye's baffling 'impersonalisation' of AIs??

(Faaacceee meeaaattts!!!)



That said, consent is important, and she's violating all kinds of consent in the last couple strips.  I think introducing Roko, a character who we've seen is highly attached to her chassis and considers it as much a part of her as her matrix, to the group will be an important step for Faye to realize that she's being an ass about this sort of thing, and maybe she'll develop a bedside manner.

Giving Faye's history of punching first then not bothering to ask questions, this seams unlikely. She is as she is.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: rtmq0227 on 14 Dec 2018, 07:49

So is this Faye treating Roko like a new *friend* for no apparent reason?

Or is this another example of Faye's baffling 'impersonalisation' of AIs??

(Faaacceee meeaaattts!!!)



That said, consent is important, and she's violating all kinds of consent in the last couple strips.  I think introducing Roko, a character who we've seen is highly attached to her chassis and considers it as much a part of her as her matrix, to the group will be an important step for Faye to realize that she's being an ass about this sort of thing, and maybe she'll develop a bedside manner.

Giving Faye's history of punching first then not bothering to ask questions, this seams unlikely. She is as she is.

That's fair, though I feel like we've seen a decent amount of growth in her character (at least enough that I can still hope)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: Thrillho on 14 Dec 2018, 09:12

So is this Faye treating Roko like a new *friend* for no apparent reason?

Or is this another example of Faye's baffling 'impersonalisation' of AIs??

(Faaacceee meeaaattts!!!)



That said, consent is important, and she's violating all kinds of consent in the last couple strips.  I think introducing Roko, a character who we've seen is highly attached to her chassis and considers it as much a part of her as her matrix, to the group will be an important step for Faye to realize that she's being an ass about this sort of thing, and maybe she'll develop a bedside manner.

Giving Faye's history of punching first then not bothering to ask questions, this seams unlikely. She is as she is.

Someone with archive-fu know when Faye last punched someone?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: hakko504 on 14 Dec 2018, 09:34
Someone with archive-fu know when Faye last punched someone?
3365 (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3365) probably. Can't remember anyone after she left the underground fighting ring.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: Cornelius on 14 Dec 2018, 09:42
That's probably the last punch she really delivered. I believe somewhat later, she starts a punch, when she realises her usual threats of violence don't work on Bubbles, and so, doesn't land it.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: dutchrvl on 14 Dec 2018, 11:38
That's probably the last punch she really delivered. I believe somewhat later, she starts a punch, when she realises her usual threats of violence don't work on Bubbles, and so, doesn't land it.

The last time she held back on a punch was probably when she went to Marten to talk about her feelings for Bubbles, in #3735 (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3735)

Edit: The last time she delivered a punch crossing boundaries with friends was much longer time ago I think, probably before her hospitalization even(?) I'm not counting the punch of corpsewitch here, as that was a decidedly different situation then discussed above.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: Roborat on 14 Dec 2018, 12:50
My first thought, reading this page, is that I was getting a strong Azumanga Daioh vibe, and then I read the footer.  Anyway, I enjoyed the silliness here, it was amusing, and good to see Roko letting herself relax a bit, although I imagine any other customers watching this would have some questions about what was going on.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: St.Clair on 14 Dec 2018, 18:40
So are Momo's pigtails detachable, or is that only in one of Emily's weird daydreams?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: Mr_Rose on 15 Dec 2018, 04:57
So are Momo's pigtails detachable, or is that only in one of Emily's weird daydreams?
Yes.
Specifically they are detachable within a radius of thirty feet from Emily and it’s probably best not to think too hard about why.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: Theta9 on 15 Dec 2018, 07:28
My first thought, reading this page, is that I was getting a strong Azumanga Daioh vibe, and then I read the footer.  .
Jeph has openly admitted in the past that AD is one of his biggest influences in QC.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: Mr_Rose on 15 Dec 2018, 08:46
So ...assuming AIs get to "choose" a body and Bubbles appears to be a MILspec super duty fighting/military chassis that (assumedly) she got when she became a solider do we further assume they get to keep whatever hardware they had from the last job they performed?  You'd think the military might want that specialized hardware chassis back for re-use or just might not want it wandering around the civilian landscape.  They did take back Pintsize's death ray.
My head canon is that, for entirely reasonable reasons, Bubbles’s chassis was more or less built around her once she enlisted and that even if she can move into another body, no other AI would be able to safely operate hers. Further, it might be configured such that leaving is also impractical–she is probably pre-core at least (the protected AI drives seem to be a recent innovation) and may Not have the right connections.
As such, once the programme was shut down, it makes sense that “we can’t remove her easily, we can’t kill her, mothball storage is expensive, and we’ll be like five hardware generations more advanced next time we try anyway, might as well just let her walk out” won the argument.

Much like the phrase “never attribute to malice where stupidity will suffice” there is a lesser-known companion: “never attribute to generosity where laziness will suffice” that frequently applies to militaries everywhere.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: Case on 15 Dec 2018, 13:54
So ...assuming AIs get to "choose" a body and Bubbles appears to be a MILspec super duty fighting/military chassis that (assumedly) she got when she became a solider do we further assume they get to keep whatever hardware they had from the last job they performed?  You'd think the military might want that specialized hardware chassis back for re-use or just might not want it wandering around the civilian landscape.  They did take back Pintsize's death ray.
My head canon is that, for entirely reasonable reasons, Bubbles’s chassis was more or less built around her once she enlisted and that even if she can move into another body, no other AI would be able to safely operate hers. Further, it might be configured such that leaving is also impractical–she is probably pre-core at least (the protected AI drives seem to be a recent innovation) and may Not have the right connections.
As such, once the programme was shut down, it makes sense that “we can’t remove her easily, we can’t kill her, mothball storage is expensive, and we’ll be like five hardware generations more advanced next time we try anyway, might as well just let her walk out” won the argument.

Much like the phrase “never attribute to malice where stupidity will suffice” there is a lesser-known companion: “never attribute to generosity where laziness will suffice” that frequently applies to militaries everywhere.

Or her chassis is intentionally designed to be hard to access once an AI has uploaded into it, in order to minimize vulnerabilities against enemy takeover, or intelligence gathering should she be captured.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 15 Dec 2018, 14:02
Or the more simple way... There was no reason not to let her keep the body. Since the AI soldier program was shut down they had no use for it. Giving her a new body would have been an additional expense. She apparently has no built in weapons, she's just stronger and tougher than most humans, but not beyond other AI bodies we've seen walking around. So she can punch hard enough to chip part of a brick wall. I've known humans who are strong enough to do that. She couldn't hurt anyone any worse than a trained martial artist could, yet there was no call for Bruce Lee to surrender his body or anything similar.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: Case on 15 Dec 2018, 16:59
Or the more simple way... There was no reason not to let her keep the body. Since the AI soldier program was shut down they had no use for it. Giving her a new body would have been an additional expense. She apparently has no built in weapons, she's just stronger and tougher than most humans, but not beyond other AI bodies we've seen walking around. So she can punch hard enough to chip part of a brick wall. I've known humans who are strong enough to do that. She couldn't hurt anyone any worse than a trained martial artist could, yet there was no call for Bruce Lee to surrender his body or anything similar.

Simple, concise, well-reasoned ... what the Hell do you think you're doing posting this in the WCDT?  :x
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: Gyrre on 17 Dec 2018, 17:29
I KNEW BEEPATRICE WAS NONBINARY, YEAH BOI

So does she use hexidecimal instead?  :claireface:
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: Tova on 17 Dec 2018, 17:35
Nonbinary would be analogue.  8-)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3891 - 3895 (10-14 December 2018)
Post by: Zebediah on 17 Dec 2018, 18:31
There is such a thing as a ternary computer. The Soviets made some back in the 60s.