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Title: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2018)
Post by: jwhouk on 16 Dec 2018, 17:16
More AI shenanigans world-building!
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Tova on 16 Dec 2018, 19:55
I've decided my posts this week will all include Paul Simon lyrics. Some of them may even make sense, who knows. Disagreements? Work them out.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Whyareall on 16 Dec 2018, 23:29
What's up with the extremely late comic postings over the last week?
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: BenRG on 16 Dec 2018, 23:32
What's up with the extremely late comic postings over the last week?

Jeph is on vacation in France. The posting time is now linked to when he wakes up, which is about 8-10 hours later than it is when he's back home in Halifax.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Near Lurker on 17 Dec 2018, 00:36
Roko's starting to feel a bit voyeuristic...
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Tova on 17 Dec 2018, 01:53
Welcome to another episode of Questionable Blushing. Poor Bubbles. It's outrageous, I can't stop thinking about the things I'm thinking of.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: BenRG on 17 Dec 2018, 02:33
This is an interesting strip and addresses the issue raised by many readers about how much an AI, who, theoretically, can change chassis at a drop of a hat, could consider any body 'theirs'. It appears that it is psychosomatic, to a certain extent. If a synthetic regards a certain chassis as 'their body' as opposed to a shell in which they move around, then they have stronger reactions to its sensory input and have a genuine feeling that 'this is me'. This also greatly increases the degree to which their subconscious processes elaborate on sensory input, explaining how Roko's feet are hyper-sensitive and Bubbles has such a strong reaction to Faye touching her in various locations which, for a lack of a better term, we must consider 'erogenous zones'.

FWIW, I suspect that May is a good example of a non-integrated AI. Chassis failures on a scale that Roko would find traumatic to a disabling degree are just annoyances and inconveniences to her.

I assume that this phenomenon is recognised by The Powers That Be and strong laws exist in removing 'integrated' AIs from their chassis unless there is an overwhelming public safety argument.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Meander on 17 Dec 2018, 02:48
Bodily integration is nice and all, but ... Bubbles + yoga pants. Daaaaaaaaang.

Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 17 Dec 2018, 05:40
This is an interesting strip and addresses the issue raised by many readers about how much an AI, who, theoretically, can change chassis at a drop of a hat, could consider any body 'theirs'. It appears that it is psychosomatic, to a certain extent. If a synthetic regards a certain chassis as 'their body' as opposed to a shell in which they move around, then they have stronger reactions to its sensory input and have a genuine feeling that 'this is me'. This also greatly increases the degree to which their subconscious processes elaborate on sensory input, explaining how Roko's feet are hyper-sensitive and Bubbles has such a strong reaction to Faye touching her in various locations which, for a lack of a better term, we must consider 'erogenous zones'.

FWIW, I suspect that May is a good example of a non-integrated AI. Chassis failures on a scale that Roko would find traumatic to a disabling degree are just annoyances and inconveniences to her.

I assume that this phenomenon is recognised by The Powers That Be and strong laws exist in removing 'integrated' AIs from their chassis unless there is an overwhelming public safety argument.

All of which could be another reasoning in the 'why did the military let Bubbles keep her chassis when she was discharged' discussion. Faye seems to be implying her that she has a high degree of integration with this body. So those robo-psychologists Bubbles mentioned way back in the day might have recognized this and recommended that she be allowed to keep that chassis for the sake of her mental stability.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: shanejayell on 17 Dec 2018, 07:13
Poor Bubbles. Faye just loves teasing her too.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Thrudd on 17 Dec 2018, 12:52
What's up with the extremely late comic postings over the last week?

Jeph is on vacation in France. The posting time is now linked to when he wakes up, which is about 8-10 hours later than it is when he's back home in Halifax.

The Math with geography plus universal standard time does not add up.
Newfoundland UTC−03:30
France UTC+01:00
So normally their day starts earlier by 4.5 hours. Has Jeph changed his day/night cycle while in France? :psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: dutchrvl on 17 Dec 2018, 13:03
What's up with the extremely late comic postings over the last week?

Jeph is on vacation in France. The posting time is now linked to when he wakes up, which is about 8-10 hours later than it is when he's back home in Halifax.

The Math with geography plus universal standard time does not add up.
Newfoundland UTC−03:30
France UTC+01:00
So normally their day starts earlier by 4.5 hours. Has Jeph changed his day/night cycle while in France? :psyduck:

I think wat @BenRG meant is that normally JJ posts somewhere in the early evening (let's say 7 PM), but that, while in France, he posts when he wakes up there (let's say 8 AM). While the time difference is only 4.5 hours, the shift from evening to morning posting means the posts themselves appear about 8.5 hour later withmy example here (13 hours later posted for JJ - 4.5 hour time difference  = 8.5 hours later posted for us).
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Castlerook on 17 Dec 2018, 13:28
In other words, Jeph is sleeping.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: notStanley on 17 Dec 2018, 13:47
...  May is a good example of a non-integrated AI. Chassis failures on a scale that Roko would find traumatic to a disabling degree are just annoyances and inconveniences to her ...

Poor May's history has not included a chassis to become familiar with?  We do not know anything prior to RobotJail, but there was not enough attachment then to get in the way of her desires for a jet.  And since, that Piece'O'Cr*p the system gave her at discharge has nothing to encourage her thinking of it as "me".
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: specter177 on 17 Dec 2018, 13:49
This is an interesting strip and addresses the issue raised by many readers about how much an AI, who, theoretically, can change chassis at a drop of a hat, could consider any body 'theirs'. It appears that it is psychosomatic, to a certain extent. If a synthetic regards a certain chassis as 'their body' as opposed to a shell in which they move around, then they have stronger reactions to its sensory input and have a genuine feeling that 'this is me'. This also greatly increases the degree to which their subconscious processes elaborate on sensory input, explaining how Roko's feet are hyper-sensitive and Bubbles has such a strong reaction to Faye touching her in various locations which, for a lack of a better term, we must consider 'erogenous zones'.

FWIW, I suspect that May is a good example of a non-integrated AI. Chassis failures on a scale that Roko would find traumatic to a disabling degree are just annoyances and inconveniences to her.

I assume that this phenomenon is recognized by The Powers That Be and strong laws exist in removing 'integrated' AIs from their chassis unless there is an overwhelming public safety argument.

I wonder if tomorrow Faye will ask Bubbles why exactly the military let her keep such a high-tech chassis?
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Tova on 17 Dec 2018, 15:55
Why deny the obvious child?
It's psychosomatic. Shut up. (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3567)
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: shanejayell on 17 Dec 2018, 17:50


FWIW, I suspect that May is a good example of a non-integrated AI. Chassis failures on a scale that Roko would find traumatic to a disabling degree are just annoyances and inconveniences to her.


May also may just not WANT to be in that body. At all. So it, in turn, kinda falls apart due to poor care.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: brasca on 17 Dec 2018, 18:07
Bodily integration is nice and all, but ... Bubbles + yoga pants. Daaaaaaaaang.

Surprised she can find some in her size.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 17 Dec 2018, 18:45
We know that AIs have libidos. ( an emergent phenomenon - not designed in ) So how are they able to satisfy their um, urges?

It appears that this depends on the sophistication of their chassis. Ranging from Bubbles to Roko to May. then there is pint-size   i'll stop now
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: zisraelsen on 17 Dec 2018, 19:03
The answer, as it always is in the end, is bread.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 17 Dec 2018, 19:07
Well, AI to AI is more direct... Pintsize earlier on commented about dating other anthroPCs and their activities seemed mostly digital. When Jeremy and Seven got together they burned out several USB cables apparently. AI and Human physical intimacy seems to be more along the lines of what humans get up to together. Comments about Faye and Bubbles breaking their bed the first night they were together. And I believe that both May and Momo talked about extra add on devices for.... human-style gratification.

*tiptoes back out of the minefield*
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: A small perverse otter on 17 Dec 2018, 22:16


FWIW, I suspect that May is a good example of a non-integrated AI. Chassis failures on a scale that Roko would find traumatic to a disabling degree are just annoyances and inconveniences to her.


May also may just not WANT to be in that body. At all. So it, in turn, kinda falls apart due to poor care.

I don't think so. May's parole office was pretty clear that she was stuck with that chassis, and that he could do nothing about it. He also seemed to have seen this kind of problem before.

It sounds like chassis for AIs coming out of robot jail are less that acceptable rejects or leftovers.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Case on 18 Dec 2018, 01:01
In other words, Jeph is sleeping.

Hopefully so.

He used to report/complain about "sleep madness" quite frequently back in the day - I don't think Jetlag & stress/disruption are doing anything for the stability of his circadian rhythm.

(Mild stressors like e.g. travelling to a conference are enough to discombobulate my inner timekeeper for a few days.)
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: traroth on 18 Dec 2018, 01:19
No comic today?
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: hakko504 on 18 Dec 2018, 01:57
No comic today?
It's up now.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: BenRG on 18 Dec 2018, 02:00
New Comic Up!

Poor Roko really isn't good with exposed anatomy, robotic or biological, is she? I think that this is the second time we've seen her crash due to psychological stress, poor girl!  :laugh:

I know this is over-analysing but The Bovine Collider's misadventure makes me furrow my brow in thought. I mean, any cow is a large, solid object and one with a lot of tensile strength. In order to literally explode a cow in the way she evidently did, she must have hit it with the force of a tractor-trailer going at a considerable rate of speed. Given her size and assuming she isn't built from depleted uranium, she must have been running at well over a hundred miles an hour to deliver that sort of energy. What was she doing?!?

So, what does everyone think? Is Roko just hanging out with Faye and Bubbles because she doesn't have anything better to do or is Jeph working us towards her getting a job at Union Robotics, maybe running the 'phones and appointment book or something?
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: SpanielBear on 18 Dec 2018, 02:04
I donít think their cash flow is up to hiring a new employee just yet. I think this is the start of a beautiful friendship.  :-)
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: de_la_Nae on 18 Dec 2018, 02:11
moo
:(
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Tyr on 18 Dec 2018, 02:12


FWIW, I suspect that May is a good example of a non-integrated AI. Chassis failures on a scale that Roko would find traumatic to a disabling degree are just annoyances and inconveniences to her.


May also may just not WANT to be in that body. At all. So it, in turn, kinda falls apart due to poor care.

I don't think so. May's parole office was pretty clear that she was stuck with that chassis, and that he could do nothing about it. He also seemed to have seen this kind of problem before.

It sounds like chassis for AIs coming out of robot jail are less that acceptable rejects or leftovers.
They're likely used and purchased in bulk by the State. Hence May's being out of warranty despite her being in it for less than a year.  The parole officer specified that HE wasn't authorized to pay for repair or replacement.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: brasca on 18 Dec 2018, 02:24
New Comic Up!

Poor Roko really isn't good with exposed anatomy, robotic or biological, is she? I think that this is the second time we've seen her crash due to psychological stress, poor girl!  :laugh:

I know this is over-analysing but The Bovine Collider's misadventure makes me furrow my brow in thought. I mean, any cow is a large, solid object and one with a lot of tensile strength. In order to literally explode a cow in the way she evidently did, she must have hit it with the force of a tractor-trailer going at a considerable rate of speed. Given her size and assuming she isn't built from depleted uranium, she must have been running at well over a hundred miles an hour to deliver that sort of energy. What was she doing?!?

So, what does everyone think? Is Roko just hanging out with Faye and Bubbles because she doesn't have anything better to do or is Jeph working us towards her getting a job at Union Robotics, maybe running the 'phones and appointment book or something?

Roko seems to handle the sight of gore better than damaged robotics.  She wouldíve been great at crime scenes. 
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: JoeCovenant on 18 Dec 2018, 03:37
(http://atravellersjourney.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Shoot-a-Cow1.jpg)
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: BenRG on 18 Dec 2018, 03:44
Am I the only one who hears in his head a really loud, hollow and flat-toned metallic 'clank' as Roko hits the floor?
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Case on 18 Dec 2018, 04:00
I'm wondering how a blood & gore splattered AI managed to saunter through the city without someone calling the police, SWAT and/or the national guard on her ...

Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Case on 18 Dec 2018, 04:03
I know this is over-analysing but The Bovine Collider's misadventure makes me furrow my brow in thought. I mean, any cow is a large, solid object and one with a lot of tensile strength. In order to literally explode a cow in the way she evidently did, she must have hit it with the force of a tractor-trailer going at a considerable rate of speed. Given her size and assuming she isn't built from depleted uranium, she must have been running at well over a hundred miles an hour to deliver that sort of energy. What was she doing?!?

Riding a motorbike at well over a hundred miles an hour?
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Zebediah on 18 Dec 2018, 04:21
SPOILER: She is actually a fighter jet.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Tai Fanboi on 18 Dec 2018, 04:26
(https://i.imgflip.com/1mo8s2.jpg)
 :clairedoge:
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Thrudd on 18 Dec 2018, 06:17
SPOILER: She is actually a fighter jet.
Is she the pan-dimensional love child of starscream and pinkypie?  :psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: dutchrvl on 18 Dec 2018, 06:40
We know that AIs have libidos. ( an emergent phenomenon - not designed in ) So how are they able to satisfy their um, urges?

It appears that this depends on the sophistication of their chassis. Ranging from Bubbles to Roko to May. then there is pint-size   i'll stop now

It was kinda implied by JJ in #1658 (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1658) that the libido was deliberately implemented. At least, that's how I interpret "No one is quite sure who decided it would be useful for artificial intelligences to possess libidos". Does not sound like it was an emergent phenom, but maybe a later comic backtracked on that statement a bit?
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: BenRG on 18 Dec 2018, 07:06
It was kinda implied by JJ in #1658 (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1658) that the libido was deliberately implemented. At least, that's how I interpret "No one is quite sure who decided it would be useful for artificial intelligences to possess libidos". Does not sound like it was an emergent phenom, but maybe a later comic backtracked on that statement a bit?

That statement could mean that experts were trying to work out who originated the 'libido' subroutine because they hadn't yet realised it was something that the AIs had decided for themselves. Was that the discovery that led them to admit that The Singularity had happened?
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: pendrake on 18 Dec 2018, 09:17
For comic #3897... (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3897)

1. Did PunchBot (CPA) ever get his arm (& side) replaced (#3596 (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3596))?   Otherwise I would say that arm is probably his, and hopefully this will not come back to bite the entrepreneur couple.

2. Robots in-recent...
 - a. Stabitha (Swordsmary)
 - b. Beepatrice
 - c. Cattle Destroyer
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: dutchrvl on 18 Dec 2018, 09:28
For comic #3897... (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3897)

1. Did PunchBot (CPA) ever get his arm (& side) replaced?   Otherwise I would say that arm is probably his, and hopefully this will not come back to bite the entrepreneur couple.

2. Robots in-recent...
 - a. Stabitha (Swordsmary)
 - b. Beepatrice
 - c. Cattle Destroyer

Well, they could've had more customers out-of-comic, but even so I hardly believe them both not being able to keep track of the customers they have and what parts they have/will have for them.

I kinda assumed this arm was simply part of the leftover inventory from the robot fighting ring, but that they never were able to identify who this arm once belonged too (which could have dark implications about what happened to the arm's owner....but who knows what Corpsewitch was capable off anyway).
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Roborat on 18 Dec 2018, 12:03
Good lord, how fast was she going when she "bumped into" that poor cow.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Thrudd on 18 Dec 2018, 13:06
Good lord, how fast was she going when she "bumped into" that poor cow.
Speed may not have been the issue if she was driving one of these brush cutters but with an open cab
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Inconsequential on 18 Dec 2018, 13:34
Yes, perhaps the cow had suffered some other sort of trauma as a result of the "bump". Maybe startled the cow, who ran out into the road and got hit by a truck.

I also know that an expired cow sort of... inflates after a while. And a bump can lead to bystanders who look like this. But there are no stink lines and Faye isn't passing out from the stench (although even fresh cow guts smell pretty obnoxious), so that's probably not it.

And yeah, we're really, really overthinking this.

I mean, that's what we do here. We overthink.



I've sort of wondered how Roko can work as a cop when she faints at the sight of mechanical mayhem. A cop that passes out or starts puking at the sight of blood wouldn't last too long, so in a world with lots of AIs walking around and presumably getting into accidents and shenanigans, an AI cop who bluescreens at mangled synthetic body parts wouldn't be very useful.


Personally, I'm a giant fan of these world-building AI comics, spiced up with the occasional turbo-horndog Faye. Bubbles has created a monster...  :evil:
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: rtmq0227 on 18 Dec 2018, 14:30
As much as I love the paperclip joke, it does make me wonder about the context it would hold for AI

From an IT perspective, it would be something akin to smelling salts or a blow upside the head, you snap out of whatever infinite loop you're in but it's jarring, and you maybe don't remember a lot about what you were stuck on in the first place.

Would that kind of joke be offensive to the sort of highly-integrated AI that Roko represents?  Would it be seen as more therapeutic/refreshing than I'm thinking?  Is it highly taboo or viewed with a utilitarian lens?

This, of course, assumes that there is an actual "reset button" or equivalent for AI.  It is about as likely that this is Faye being flippant and making a "Robots are still computers, just bigger and prone to emotions" joke.

I suspect, as with most things, it depends on your audience.  Bubbles certainly didn't seem too fazed.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Tova on 18 Dec 2018, 15:48
So, I thought somewhat randomly that including Paul Simon lyrics in every post this week would be a great idea. Hey, think I, it's a slice of life comic. How hard could this be?

And then an AI mistakenly bumps into a cow, resulting in the apparent evisceration of the cow and a dislocated little finger.

Me: *the sound of silence*
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Gyrre on 18 Dec 2018, 17:30
New Comic Up!

Poor Roko really isn't good with exposed anatomy, robotic or biological, is she? I think that this is the second time we've seen her crash due to psychological stress, poor girl!  :laugh:

I know this is over-analysing but The Bovine Collider's misadventure makes me furrow my brow in thought. I mean, any cow is a large, solid object and one with a lot of tensile strength. In order to literally explode a cow in the way she evidently did, she must have hit it with the force of a tractor-trailer going at a considerable rate of speed. Given her size and assuming she isn't built from depleted uranium, she must have been running at well over a hundred miles an hour to deliver that sort of energy. What was she doing?!?

So, what does everyone think? Is Roko just hanging out with Faye and Bubbles because she doesn't have anything better to do or is Jeph working us towards her getting a job at Union Robotics, maybe running the 'phones and appointment book or something?
Running late for work?  :claireface:
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Castlerook on 18 Dec 2018, 18:44
Somehow I find the idea that Roko fainted because of the dislocated finger rather than the gore to be an absolutely hilarious alternative punchline.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: mercykills on 18 Dec 2018, 20:14
MOOderer!!!!!

Ehh...someone had to do it.

*folds arms* I regret nothing.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: cesium133 on 18 Dec 2018, 20:34
MOOderer!!!!!

Ehh...someone had to do it.

*folds arms* I regret nothing.

Not the livestock, George...
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Mr. Doctor on 18 Dec 2018, 23:26
Somehow I find the idea that Roko fainted because of the dislocated finger rather than the gore to be an absolutely hilarious alternative punchline.

Are you telling me thatís NOT the punchline?  :-P Cuz that was my very first thought and Iíll stick to it. It makes sense to me that Roko would not think too much of organic gore. To me this is the equivalent of a human fainting after seeing a filthy mechanic filled with grease and stuff, car parts all around the floor and then fainting with a cut or dislocated finger of his.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: JoeCovenant on 19 Dec 2018, 00:47
Somehow I find the idea that Roko fainted because of the dislocated finger rather than the gore to be an absolutely hilarious alternative punchline.

??

I thought that WAS the punchline?
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: JoeCovenant on 19 Dec 2018, 00:54
So, I thought somewhat randomly that including Paul Simon lyrics in every post this week would be a great idea. Hey, think I, it's a slice of life comic. How hard could this be?

And then an AI mistakenly bumps into a cow, resulting in the apparent evisceration of the cow and a dislocated little finger.

Me: *the sound of silence*

Dislocated digits...
Military spec AIs
Blood and guts all over the floor

This isn't a bot shop.... "This is a fucking war zone!'"

(The Vampires)
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: BenRG on 19 Dec 2018, 01:15
New Comic Up

Also something for those who know more about these things than me could answer: I know that you can't just sell random bits of roadkill to restaurants; there is something called 'food hygiene standards', after all. However, not all businesses are so discerning. Would an offal works pay for the remains of an exploded cow or would they charge you for removal?

I think that it is sweetly typical Bubbles that she considered the poor cow's fate as a waste. I think it is typically Faye that she's looking for a financial angle and doesn't entirely 'get' ethics!

Meanwhile, I'm guessing that The Bovine Collider is either non-binary or simply doesn't identify as a human gender at all (which is entirely to be expected).
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: brasca on 19 Dec 2018, 05:08
Itís an idea worthy of Corpse Witch.  Maybe it was her idea when it came to procuring meat for the concession stand.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: rtmq0227 on 19 Dec 2018, 06:47
I'm glad that Faye and Bubbles have found an ego to go with their respective id and superego
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: BenRG on 19 Dec 2018, 06:59
That's an interesting proposal, rtmq0227. Is the reason behind this friendship to actually balance out the competing aspects of Faye and Bubbles' personalities?
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: shanejayell on 19 Dec 2018, 07:05
I dunno if they did it deliberately, but it's a good point.

Of course, this ALSO depends on if their shop can even stay open.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: rtmq0227 on 19 Dec 2018, 08:37
That's an interesting proposal, rtmq0227. Is the reason behind this friendship to actually balance out the competing aspects of Faye and Bubbles' personalities?

It would make sense from a narrative standpoint.  It's a popular trope for a reason.

Out of curiosity, have we seen a "Four Temperaments" character quartet in universe yet?
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Roborat on 19 Dec 2018, 11:48
New Comic Up

Also something for those who know more about these things than me could answer: I know that you can't just sell random bits of roadkill to restaurants; there is something called 'food hygiene standards', after all. However, not all businesses are so discerning. Would an offal works pay for the remains of an exploded cow or would they charge you for removal?

I think that it is sweetly typical Bubbles that she considered the poor cow's fate as a waste. I think it is typically Faye that she's looking for a financial angle and doesn't entirely 'get' ethics!

Meanwhile, I'm guessing that The Bovine Collider is either non-binary or simply doesn't identify as a human gender at all (which is entirely to be expected).

I don't think she was calling it a waste, I think she was being logical, it was pieces of animal, therefore it was waste.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: specter177 on 19 Dec 2018, 11:52
For comic #3897... (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3897)

1. Did PunchBot (CPA) ever get his arm (& side) replaced (#3596 (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3596))?   Otherwise I would say that arm is probably his, and hopefully this will not come back to bite the entrepreneur couple.

2. Robots in-recent...
 - a. Stabitha (Swordsmary)
 - b. Beepatrice
 - c. Cattle Destroyer

Well, we see them working on what I presume is Punchbot's arm in 3725 (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3725) but I don't know if we've seen Punchbot since 3596. Still going through the archives though.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: zisraelsen on 19 Dec 2018, 14:30
I dont think I'd ever want to eat anything that could be described as "incidental."
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Thrillho on 19 Dec 2018, 14:37
As much as I love the paperclip joke, it does make me wonder about the context it would hold for AI

From an IT perspective, it would be something akin to smelling salts or a blow upside the head, you snap out of whatever infinite loop you're in but it's jarring, and you maybe don't remember a lot about what you were stuck on in the first place.

Would that kind of joke be offensive to the sort of highly-integrated AI that Roko represents?  Would it be seen as more therapeutic/refreshing than I'm thinking?  Is it highly taboo or viewed with a utilitarian lens?

This, of course, assumes that there is an actual "reset button" or equivalent for AI.  It is about as likely that this is Faye being flippant and making a "Robots are still computers, just bigger and prone to emotions" joke.

I suspect, as with most things, it depends on your audience.  Bubbles certainly didn't seem too fazed.

Yeah to be honest I felt like that joke to an AI would be like an AI equivalent of a bit racist? I don't think intent to hurt was there, but intentions aren't always magic. Also it's Jeph's universe so he can write whatever rules he likes.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Castlerook on 19 Dec 2018, 15:38
I dont think I'd ever want to eat anything that could be described as "incidental."

I think that's what some people call "road-kill stew".
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: DSL on 19 Dec 2018, 18:35
I dont think I'd ever want to eat anything that could be described as "incidental."

I think that's what some people call "road-kill stew".
Things like that have gone from "economic necessity" to "regional cuisine." Tripe, haggis, goetta, scrapple, casing hotdogs, SPAM, a bunch of other examples someone will undoubtedly supply.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Scarlet Manuka on 19 Dec 2018, 23:03
For comic #3897... (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3897)

1. Did PunchBot (CPA) ever get his arm (& side) replaced (#3596 (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3596))?   Otherwise I would say that arm is probably his, and hopefully this will not come back to bite the entrepreneur couple.

Well, we see them working on what I presume is Punchbot's arm in 3725 (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3725) but I don't know if we've seen Punchbot since 3596. Still going through the archives though.

Yeah, that would be Punchbot's arm; in 3721 (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3721) they're having trouble with it crawling off when they're not looking.
They were still waiting for materials in 3797 (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3797); I'm not sure if that's what they're unpacking in 3798 (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3798). Hasn't been anything since.

On the topic of the cow remains, given Faye and Bubbles' financial straits I'm surprised they didn't try to cook it. It would make a probably needed change from Faye's diet of *cough* "healthy fruits and vegetables" *cough*.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: BenRG on 19 Dec 2018, 23:11
Yeah, that would be Punchbot's arm; in 3721 (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3721) they're having trouble with it crawling off when they're not looking.

I don't think it's Punchbot's arm; his arm should have a human-like pentadactyl hand. He's never had one of the simpler tridactyl 'claw' hands.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Penquin47 on 19 Dec 2018, 23:33
I misread that as pterodactyl hand and now I'm sad.  I want a pterodactyl hand.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Tova on 20 Dec 2018, 00:30
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/be/80/bc/be80bc05017c143f2363edbe3539958e.jpg) ?

P.S. When I see him standing there, I said, “Hey, there’s a guy who needs a laugh." That’s what I said to myself.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: BenRG on 20 Dec 2018, 01:24
New Comic Up
I long suspected that Roko was a romantic at heart. It is also possible that she's an animť and manga addict! I wonder if Faye is now pondering on whether she'll ever have any normal friends (with the exception of Marten)?

Another question that the shipper in me can't help but ask is this: Has Faye now confirmed to Roko that she shouldn't feel restrained from approaching humans on whom she has a crush?
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: JoeCovenant on 20 Dec 2018, 01:38

This is one of those strips that you just have to sit back and laugh at the joke.

Cos, you know... would anyone seriously think they could sell a length of cow intestine and half a leg to a restaurant - after it had been run through by a robot, and then who knows what else between the field and the middle of town?

(And besides which, how much money does she think she's gonna make from that? And besides which, it's not HER cow! And besides which... you get my point? :)  )
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Case on 20 Dec 2018, 02:32
I misread that as pterodactyl hand and now I'm sad.  I want a pterodactyl hand.

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/be/80/bc/be80bc05017c143f2363edbe3539958e.jpg) ?

P.S. When I see him standing there, I said, ďHey, thereís a guy who needs a laugh." Thatís what I said to myself.

This forum ... 
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Zebediah on 20 Dec 2018, 02:39
This frigging forum.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Netherdan on 20 Dec 2018, 04:28
Did Jeph just referenced Welcome to Nightvale's "Wheat & Wheat By-Products"?
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Tai Fanboi on 20 Dec 2018, 05:43
Can I just say panel #2, that gorram face Basilisk is making is too damn cute and has me glad that name changes on the forum aren't a thing else I'd be fighting the urge to jump on the Basilisk ship. 
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: comicalArchitect on 20 Dec 2018, 06:53
Prediction: Faye asks Roko how her romantic life is going, and Roko brings up "this cute redhead I embarrassed myself in front of outside a bar." Upon hearing a more detailed description, Faye realizes who it is and busts out laughing.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: shanejayell on 20 Dec 2018, 06:58
One wonders if Roko has tear ducts. It appears no...
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: OldGoat on 20 Dec 2018, 08:35
One wonders if Roko has tear ducts. It appears no...

One would presume their eyelids would serve the same purpose as our, to protect and clean optical sensors, so there must be some provision for a lubricant as well.  Maybe it's the sensation of tears running down her facial dermal covering she's after.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 20 Dec 2018, 13:22
Roko has rocked a lot of great expressions lately.

and spam is made from pork shoulders, not offal geeze helped the russians win the war
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: brasca on 20 Dec 2018, 15:29
I'm not sure if she's doing this to simulate crying or stimulate it.  Either way it reminds me of the Tin Man. 
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Drunken Old Man on 21 Dec 2018, 01:20
Um....did Roku just get freaking killed????
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: BenRG on 21 Dec 2018, 01:23
Oh ouch! Poor Roko :-o

I have no doubt that Faye and Bubbles have the technology to rebuild her. The issue is: rebuild her as what, even if only temporarily! It could be interesting if we have a story of a synthetic who was highly integrated with a high-end chassis has to make do on a much lower-spec model until her insurance pays up (if it does).

Alternately, this could just be a throw-away joke and Roko's chassis is tough enough to handle this. :-P

Meanwhile, it's cute that Bubbles' protective instincts made her shield Faye in panel 4, even though there was no immediately perceptible threat. :-D

Um....did Roku just get freaking killed????

It's very difficult to kill QCverse AIs. Their brains are very, very hardened and can be swapped between bodies fairly easily either in a software or hardware form. That doesn't mean that Roko will face no consequences for this; her lifestyle may need to change. However, permanent offlineing isn't likely for her.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: brasca on 21 Dec 2018, 01:38
I doubt Roko is dead and if she had to sustain major damage this is the right place for emergency repairs, but I'm not sure what her insurance policy is like since she left the police force.  She might get stuck with a substandard chassis like May.  Maybe she had the AI equivalent of COBRA, but if she has something less like the Decepticons she'll probably get dumped out a space shuttle.  If she's lucky Unicron will reformat her.  Either that or Spookybot, but you know they'd lord that over her everyday. 
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: JoeCovenant on 21 Dec 2018, 01:49

"Gentlemen... we can rebuild her... we have the technology..."

(At least - they'd fecking BETTER!!!!)    :cry:
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: TinPenguin on 21 Dec 2018, 02:47
Shelby's Organic Pet Food powerful.dog (http://powerful.dog)

Now why didn't they just offer the bovine remains to them?
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Bollthorn on 21 Dec 2018, 02:50
Next week, BEMBO!! :D
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Meander on 21 Dec 2018, 02:56
ROKO! NOOOOOOOOOO!
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Tova on 21 Dec 2018, 03:06
Argh cliffhanger.  :-P

Either this is tragedy or a fancy new chassis for Roko, who knows. Well, probably the latter.

I hope.

And Iím on my way
I donít know where Iím going
Iím on my way
Iím taking my time
But I donít know where

(boy did I pick a bad week to try something so ridiculous)

P.S. With Roko's level of bodily integration, this is going to be traumatic, even if she does survive.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: BenRG on 21 Dec 2018, 03:32
Either this is tragedy or a fancy new chassis for Roko, who knows. Well, probably the latter.

I hope.

MY guess is this: Roko wakes up a brain in a jar - Bubbles and Faye were able to hook her up to an immobile basic I/O framework that lets her see and communicate but has only minimal mobility and environmental manipulation capabilities. She's understandably distressed about this but she doesn't have the resources to pay for anything more elaborate and the little she can afford would leave her no better off than May.

At this point (one to two weeks into the arc), either Hannelore or SpookyBot get involved. If it's the former, expect Dr Ellicott-Chatham to have included a lot of experimental add-ons of debatable practical utility to the replacement chassis. Say, when Roko sneezes, her foot jets fire and, when angry, her looks really can kill. If it's from SpookyBot, expect her body to basically emulate human biology in every significant manner whilst still being wholly synthetic (SpookyBot makes a throw-away comment about 'straddling the line between human and synthetic' and vanishes with their usual ease).

This could impact Roko's arc in several ways. An experimental 'super-chassis' could lead to Roko at least briefly toying with being a costumed vigilante. A true android chassis might lead to extreme complications in her relationships with humans.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Tova on 21 Dec 2018, 03:37
I think it's more likely that she'll end up in a temporary chassis until they work out something more permanent. Including that arm that was discussed this week, for example. That really will be unpleasant for Roko.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Tormuse on 21 Dec 2018, 04:03
ROKO! NOOOOOOOOOO!

My reaction exactly.  :(

Then again, maybe this is an opportunity to replace her chassis with a toaster and live her dream of putting bread inside her.  :)
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: SpanielBear on 21 Dec 2018, 04:30
I donít think their cash flow is up to hiring a new employee just yet. I think this is the start of a beautiful friendship.  :-)

...


...


Jeph...


Jeph, we need to talk.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Tai Fanboi on 21 Dec 2018, 04:43
Hmm, so one crushed AI who's still technically un-employed (I mean, hasn't started her job day one yet.)  Costly repairs, no insurance...  Roko/May arc where Roko has further development into the insight of the lives of the "criminals" she was punishing?  Maybe even a "your one bad day away from being me" type of thing where she contemplates crime?  The glorious return of Hanners who will swoop in as a patron and activist for the plight of the Robotic class? 

Nahh here we go to Pintsize for the Holiday break as he chases the yelling bird around the house with a drone copter made of dildo's.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: cesium133 on 21 Dec 2018, 05:06
Um....did Roku just get freaking killed????
Probably not killed. But she may wake up with her chassis replaced by a breadbox.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 21 Dec 2018, 07:17
Really Jeph? The day before a long weekend for the holiday you give a flat Roko scene? sheesh....
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Thrudd on 21 Dec 2018, 07:25
Warning - while you were typing a new reply has been posted. You may wish to review your post and rethink your path in life.

Damn you Jeph! :grumpypuss:


and now for something completely different

Well if they are able to salvage the head then we will be in the realm of Futurama.

Well they could give her a holographic body in the interim so that she could be herself with simulated IO while repairs are made.
It would still be a shock but the trauma would be drawn out in smaller dribs and drabs over a longer story arc as Roko gets cabin fever waiting for the repairs to be authorized / parts delivered / assembled ... all while avoiding having to look at her body at any stage of the process.

Did that experimental boyfriend chassis ever get sent back or is it still standing in the back of someones closet?
I think it would only take a quick request for permission and a few modifications to adjust things to closely match Roko's original body style if not size, though they may need stations help with the engineering adjustments Everything else is dermal.
Then again there would be the questions about the chassis functionality considering the original mission it was designed for. ...  Oh my.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: zisraelsen on 21 Dec 2018, 07:30
PLOT TWIST: Crushbot is a renowned neurosurgeon and feels so bad about the accident that he pays for Roko's repairs in full.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: shanejayell on 21 Dec 2018, 07:54
NOOOOOOOOOOOO Roko!

Evil, EVIL cliffhanger.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Theta9 on 21 Dec 2018, 09:15
[Stan] Oh my god, they killed Roko!

[Kyle] You bastards!
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: OldGoat on 21 Dec 2018, 10:30
Holiday cliff-hanger?  Darn you to Heck, Jacques!
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Rincewind on 21 Dec 2018, 11:21
Um....did Roku just get freaking killed????
Probably not killed. But she may wake up with her chassis replaced by a breadbox.

Hmm. Given her "kink", she might actually like that...
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Y on 21 Dec 2018, 11:26
Shouldn't Crushbot insurance have to pay for it? After all just like on the highway orbiting has precedence over de-orbiting.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Roborat on 21 Dec 2018, 11:57
[Stan] Oh my god, they killed Roko!

[Kyle] You bastards!

And there goes my post.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 21 Dec 2018, 12:00
Like liability insurance for other operators of machines that can cause damage. Mandatory for car owners.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: traroth on 21 Dec 2018, 12:48
That cliffhanger will kill me!
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Wagimawr on 21 Dec 2018, 13:24
I dunno, anybody else feel like that cliffhanger is a little flat?  :claireface:
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Theta9 on 21 Dec 2018, 14:04
[Stan] Oh my god, they killed Roko!

[Kyle] You bastards!

And there goes my post.
HA! For once, I got here first!
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Case on 21 Dec 2018, 15:08
[Stan] Oh my god, they killed Roko!

[Kyle] You bastards!

Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 21 Dec 2018, 18:42
I dunno, anybody else feel like that cliffhanger is a little flat?  :claireface:

There's no need to pound that joke into the pavement.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Castlerook on 21 Dec 2018, 18:53

"Gentlemen... we could rebuild her... we just don't have the technology...or the materials...or the funds...or the time...or manpower..."

FTFY
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: DSL on 21 Dec 2018, 20:37
How long has Roko been a former cop?  She might still have her insurance.
When I quit my newspaper job I got to keep my (relatively shitty, but it helped more than it hurt) health insurance for a month.
I have to assume Massachusetts is better than Ohio in that regard, especially if Roko is/was a public employee.

Also, she might get the loan of Momo's old chassis. Or Winslow's.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 21 Dec 2018, 21:23
Roko is not flat. But I'm sure there is now a Roko-shaped dent in the sidewalk. ( there has to be a tv tropes ref ) and her chassis has surely suffered serious damage. It is significant that Jeph had this happen right outside Union Robotics...

Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Torlek on 21 Dec 2018, 22:55
Oh she's not going to be flat. Broken into a multitude of pieces, yes. But a pancake she will not be.

I'm just curious if this is going to lead to a body dysphoria arc or an impermanence of the physical arc.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: hakko504 on 21 Dec 2018, 23:13
Roko is not flat. But I'm sure there is now a Roko-shaped dent in the sidewalk. ( there has to be a tv tropes ref)
Yup.
Impact Silhouette (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ImpactSilhouette)
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Case on 21 Dec 2018, 23:27
It is significant that Jeph had this happen right outside Union Robotics...

"Dammit Faye, I'm a doctor, not a ohwait ..."
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Theta9 on 22 Dec 2018, 09:37
[Stan] Oh my god, they killed Roko!

[Kyle] You bastards!


I don't get it.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Drunken Old Man on 22 Dec 2018, 10:14
Quote: everyone saying Roku isn't dead

I dunno, guys... certainly she COULD survive that...even probably.

But that last panel of her (unsquished)...bathed in light from the entry way...looking back one last time...

Just please let's don't have a "It's a Wonderful Life" episode with Spookybot as Roku's Clarence.  I will be physically ill.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Stibbons on 22 Dec 2018, 11:14
***kin' OW!

This could be serious, Corpsewitch said that the arena robots were hardened against damage, but a domestic model like Roko? I doubt that even as a police robot she had much by way of armor plating (she'd presumably have had to hand it back when she quit otherwise).

Ah well, looks like Faye and Bubbles have got their steady cash income, assuming insurance will pay out and Union Robotics get the job. Is robot insurance more like car insurance I wonder...

I second that Spookybot will probably be involved somewhere along the line.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Castlerook on 22 Dec 2018, 12:40
Quote: everyone saying Roku isn't dead

I dunno, guys... certainly she COULD survive that...even probably.

But that last panel of her (unsquished)...bathed in light from the entry way...looking back one last time...

Just please let's don't have a "It's a Wonderful Life" episode with Spookybot as Roku's Clarence.  I will be physically ill.

Given the general tone of Questionable Content, that turn in the story is a little too dark. I mean, AI are literally indestructible, their cores are designed and tested to be able to withstand being run over by a tank. Plus, critical existence failure due to being crushed by another AI who slipped on a crate of bananas is just too overly comical a way to kill off a character.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Tova on 22 Dec 2018, 15:19
I don't mean to push the idea that Roko is in fact doomed.

But I think a couple of people now have stated as fact that AI cores can withstand being run over by a tank. And as far as I know, that comes from comic 3008 (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3008).

But is this true of ALL AIs? Or just the ones that were participating in the fights?

I don't want to overread 3008, but to me, "triple-reinforced drives" suggests to me that this is an exception to the norm (i.e. reinforced to three times the strength of a standard AI drive).

I'll just add that the expressions on the face of Bubbles and Faye suggest strongly to me that Roko's is in fact in danger.

So I'm not so quite so blithely sure of her safety as some.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Penquin47 on 22 Dec 2018, 16:06
Even if her brain is fine, we just spent quite a bit of time reminding us that Roko has very high bodily integration, to the point where she becomes ill at the sight of damaged parts.  Even if her core programming is perfectly fine, she's gonna be suffering a LOT.

Really, in some ways, it might be kinder if she were dead.  She's almost certainly in for a tricky recovery.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: bhtooefr on 22 Dec 2018, 17:41
Given the general tone of Questionable Content, that turn in the story is a little too dark.

Counterpoint: this is a comic in which one of the central characters watched her father commit suicide, and her watching that happen was actually depicted.

It can get dark.

Granted, it hasn't gotten that dark for over a decade, but still.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Gyrre on 22 Dec 2018, 18:06
I doubt Roko is dead and if she had to sustain major damage this is the right place for emergency repairs, but I'm not sure what her insurance policy is like since she left the police force.  She might get stuck with a substandard chassis like May.  Maybe she had the AI equivalent of COBRA, but if she has something less like the Decepticons she'll probably get dumped out a space shuttle.  If she's lucky Unicron will reformat her.  Either that or Spookybot, but you know they'd lord that over her everyday.

Insurance doesn't get much less than COBRA. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised at all to find out if their founder's name is something like Rexford G. "Rex" Lewis or Laird James McCullen Destro XXIV.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: ZoeB on 22 Dec 2018, 20:14
Whoever negligently left the bananaskins on the footpath better have good insurance, or this will not end well.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: ZoeB on 22 Dec 2018, 20:35
But it could get a lot worse.

Former cop who ended an illegal robot fighting ring gets "accidentally" slain by one of the former fighters involved in it. The only witnesses are two individuals also up to their necks in involvement, and whose greymarket Chop Shop the victim walked out of moments before.

DAs are professionally suspicious, and there was definitely something unusual about the resolution of the original case.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: OldGoat on 22 Dec 2018, 22:30
But it could get a lot worse.

Former cop who ended an illegal robot fighting ring gets "accidentally" slain by one of the former fighters involved in it. The only witnesses are two individuals also up to their necks in involvement, and whose greymarket Chop Shop the victim walked out of moments before.

DAs are professionally suspicious, and there was definitely something unusual about the resolution of the original case.
Very good point, Zoe.  I'm more than a little embarrassed that I didn't spot it.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Gyrre on 22 Dec 2018, 23:39
I was only thinking about the severity of the matter from the health insurance angle. But those potential legal implications/insinuations are pretty dang YIKES!
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Sullivan on 23 Dec 2018, 21:31
Just please let's don't have a "It's a Wonderful Life" episode [...]

"You know, I've never seen that. ... I could never get past the title."
- Batman to Robin in "Christmas with the Joker", Batman: The Animated Series, written by Eddie Gorodetsky
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Tova on 24 Dec 2018, 00:09
Whoever negligently left the bananaskins on the footpath better have good insurance, or this will not end well.

I actually had a minor panic attack there when I thought for a moment that I was in the Let's complain some more! (https://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,30334.0.html) thread.

But it could get a lot worse.

Former cop who ended an illegal robot fighting ring gets "accidentally" slain by one of the former fighters involved in it. The only witnesses are two individuals also up to their necks in involvement, and whose greymarket Chop Shop the victim walked out of moments before.

DAs are professionally suspicious, and there was definitely something unusual about the resolution of the original case.

Whoa.

Now that's speculation.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Sullivan on 24 Dec 2018, 16:44
But it could get a lot worse.

Former cop who ended an illegal robot fighting ring gets "accidentally" slain by one of the former fighters involved in it. The only witnesses are two individuals also up to their necks in involvement, and whose greymarket Chop Shop the victim walked out of moments before.

DAs are professionally suspicious, and there was definitely something unusual about the resolution of the original case.

How is the shop "greymarket"?
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Tyr on 24 Dec 2018, 19:25
It's grey market in that they aren't accredited like an Idoru Store or Whatever the place Winslow's new body came from would be. They aren't doing anything illegal, and the building presumably passed safety inspection, but at the same time, they mayn't be a certified repair shop for those brands.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: OldGoat on 26 Dec 2018, 21:38
Whoever negligently left the bananaskins on the footpath better have good insurance, or this will not end well.

I actually had a minor panic attack there when I thought for a moment that I was in the Let's complain some more! (https://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,30334.0.html) thread.

But it could get a lot worse.

Former cop who ended an illegal robot fighting ring gets "accidentally" slain by one of the former fighters involved in it. The only witnesses are two individuals also up to their necks in involvement, and whose greymarket Chop Shop the victim walked out of moments before.

DAs are professionally suspicious, and there was definitely something unusual about the resolution of the original case.

Whoa.

Now that's speculation.

You don't know many prosecutors, do you?
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Tova on 27 Dec 2018, 00:40
At least a dozen! Admittedly they don't phone me as much since that day I tried to drag QC spoilers out of them. More of a friend of a friend thing anyway.

P.S. Seriously though, I'm curious to know how you got from my brief post to your conclusion, because I have a sneaking suspicion that you read something into my words that I didn't intend.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: JoeCovenant on 27 Dec 2018, 02:05

Are the comics for this week canon?
If so - then Roko's suddenly fine???

(Don't get me wrong... I'd be happy at that!)  ;)
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Penquin47 on 27 Dec 2018, 07:30
They're canon-esque, perhaps?  They are not part of the storyline, having been originally created a while back, but there's no reason this couldn't have happened at some point.  (It does not mean that Roko is suddenly fine.)
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: JoeCovenant on 28 Dec 2018, 02:47
They're canon-esque, perhaps?  They are not part of the storyline, having been originally created a while back, but there's no reason this couldn't have happened at some point.  (It does not mean that Roko is suddenly fine.)

Yeah... I just realised that soon after I posted... :)
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: keithcurtis on 29 Dec 2018, 10:44
Pintsize suffers worse on an almost daily basis. Of course, his chassis is military...
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: OldGoat on 29 Dec 2018, 21:46
At least a dozen! Admittedly they don't phone me as much since that day I tried to drag QC spoilers out of them. More of a friend of a friend thing anyway.

P.S. Seriously though, I'm curious to know how you got from my brief post to your conclusion, because I have a sneaking suspicion that you read something into my words that I didn't intend.
There's nothing speculative about ZoeB's statement.  That's how prosecutors' & cops' minds work.  And we pay them to think that way.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Tova on 30 Dec 2018, 01:12
*sigh*

I'm sure that is the way their minds work. It made total sense to me. That's why I liked the post (don't know if you noticed) and praised it (not sure if you realised that either).

It is speculation because, regardless of how believable the post is, there's no guarantee that this is the way the story will go.

Edit: correction, I hadn't clicked like! But I did like it. If you know what I mean.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: ZoeB on 30 Dec 2018, 05:10
I know what you mean.

I have no idea if Jeph had thought of this though. It's obvious in hindsight, but perhaps only in hindsight. So obvious though that some reason should be thought up to prevent such complications if they are not to inevitably occur. Roko recovering for example. Or echoes of Spookybot ô intervention in the past. Even "We Klingons don't talk about it" or "We have top men working on it" followed by dropping the subject.

Maybe Jeph will read this and say "Ah, so some of the readers got it" as I'm sure he's done in the past. Or will say "Oops.. better do something about it". But now I really *am* speculating, so I'm content to wait and see what happens sometime in the coming month or two.

This is a rattling good comic series, to state the obvious.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 30 Dec 2018, 06:25
It is speculation, but consistent with what we know, that Eminence Grise would not have stopped with Roko but might have "negotiated" with the DA about jurisdiction as well.

Or the DA may never find out, or Jeph may not be interested in telling that kind of story.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2019)
Post by: bhtooefr on 30 Dec 2018, 06:32
Also, regarding the insurance implications... most people don't carry blanket liability policies outside of businesses. Sure, there's heavy machinery insurance, but not blanket "I tripped and fell and injured someone" policies.

And, in any case, my guess is that whoever left the banana box in the public right of way that Crushbot stepped on would be held liable, unless Crushbot was carrying the box...
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2018)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 31 Dec 2018, 08:41
It's pretty standard on homeowner's policies, and if AI insurance works like car insurance it will provide for paying for repairs to victims of collisions.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2018)
Post by: pwhodges on 31 Dec 2018, 08:51
I don't know about the US, but in the UK having third-party insurance is a legal requirement if you drive a car on a public road.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2018)
Post by: OldGoat on 31 Dec 2018, 10:48
Okay, I see what you meant, Tova.  But, since this is fiction from one artist's mind, it's all speculation.  I agree that Jeph isn't apt to take the story in that direction - it would change the tenor of the entire strip to mystery/courtroom drama.
Title: Re: WCDT 3896-3900 (17-21 December 2018)
Post by: bhtooefr on 31 Dec 2018, 12:25
In most US states it's required (a couple states don't require it, and a few states allow you to declare self-insurance at a certain level (mine allows it if you have at least 25 vehicles registered in your name and deposit $25,000 with the state)).