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Comic Discussion => QUESTIONABLE CONTENT => Topic started by: jwhouk on 10 Feb 2019, 07:36
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New week, new thread!
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Want a poll?
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Want a poll?
Go for it. I'm not up for it on a usual basis.
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Strip is up!
Some people just want to watch bridges burn.
And while that doesn't excuse Peter for his insensitivity I think after a night with Renee a lot of us would not only torch the bridge, but dynamite the pylons.
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As abrasive as Renee might be at times, nothing justifies the way that guy acted. There's being a douche because your date was terrible and then there's being a douche for the sake of being a douche. I strongly suspect P-Man falls into the latter category.
Also, Adult Swim, I have a new show for you, called P-Man and the Bastards of the Universe! Yours for only 55% of whatever you make.
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Birds of a feather and all that. He's an asshole but so is Renee. They deserve each other so much that I wonder if Jeph plans a long term dysfunctional relationship for the two of them. Her kindness and care toward Brun is all we've seen that makes her the better example of a human being.
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I think that possibly Jeph is setting Renee up for a "I'm tired of casual hook-ups! I want to have a long-term relationship with
Elliott somebody!" epiphany. Either that or he's setting up for Brun to ask Clinton and Elliott questions about adult relationships that neither of them are really ready for, especially without context!
I have to say that this is a world I have never personally inhabited and I find it hard to imagine that there is a whole sub-class of people who like insulting and alienating their partners as soon as the deed is done. I'm guessing it's a power trip thing but I'll never get it!
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Me neither. I think you're right, but I also think that the other benefit from their perspective is that it ensures that the person never contacts them again.
I mean, eh. I dunno. I'm not a psychologist. :?
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This may not be a popular opinion, but I personally am disappointed that Jeph went down the relatively easy route of making it absolutely clear that Peter was a complete sleaze, rather than opening things up to the sort of discussion we've seen here by having him not intend to be a creep, with subsequent explanation and learning (perhaps even on both sides, though Peter certainly has more to learn).
Of course, Jeph is under no obligation to do any of that in the comic; but it's something he's done before (cf. Tilly) and would give these concepts a wider airing than last week's discussion in the forums can do. Maybe not worth the investment for what looks to be basically a throw-away character, I guess. And again it is of course entirely up to Jeph as to how he chooses to progress the story; I'm just trying to express my own reaction, not trying to say that he should have done things differently.
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Hi, I'm wondering if someone could explain some social rules, or tell me if I'm picking up on the wrong thing. I get that P-man was being a jackass and creeper to Brun, I got that much. But in today's comic (3936), I kinda struggled to interpret when Renee said the line "He was hitting on you, in front of me, in the most deliberately shitty way he could think of." The line "in front of me" makes it sound like there was some subtext I didn't pick up on that he was doing it deliberately to piss Renee off, but was it primarily from the first part ("he was hitting on you") or the second part ("in the most deliberately shitty way")? It just seems odd to me that Renee would be pissed that he would hit on her roommate when she couldn't even remember his name (not an observation against her, just an observation of the seriousness of their relationship). Or is this just one of the major rules of hook-up culture, that you don't hit on the roommate/family member?
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islan: I think Renee thinks it was a deliberate action on his part to piss her off by being an obnoxious asshole.
If I'm right, it does say that Renee is somewhat self-centred, thinking as she seems to that everything that's been happening in the last few minutes is about her.
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Certainly, Renee is divisive. I like her, because she reminds me of my sister, but I can see why she is not universally adored.
Hi, I'm wondering if someone could explain some social rules, or tell me if I'm picking up on the wrong thing. I get that P-man was being a jackass and creeper to Brun, I got that much. But in today's comic (3936), I kinda struggled to interpret when Renee said the line "He was hitting on you, in front of me, in the most deliberately shitty way he could think of." The line "in front of me" makes it sound like there was some subtext I didn't pick up on that he was doing it deliberately to piss Renee off, but was it primarily from the first part ("he was hitting on you") or the second part ("in the most deliberately shitty way")? It just seems odd to me that Renee would be pissed that he would hit on her roommate when she couldn't even remember his name (not an observation against her, just an observation of the seriousness of their relationship). Or is this just one of the major rules of hook-up culture, that you don't hit on the roommate/family member?
Peter was being extremely rude. Setting aside the way he did it for a moment, one does not hit on, or actively flirt, with someone's roommate immediately after sleeping with that someone. You are in another person's home; try to behave as if you were raised with a modicum of civility. At least that's what i got out of it
Edited for clarity..
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However, Peter was being extremely rude.
I don't think I've seen anyone claiming otherwise? I'll assume you're referring to what I wrote, seeing as you wrote it immediately after my post.
My point wasn't that he wasn't rude. My point was that the person affected was primarily Brun, and Renee is making it about herself. In my opinion, unduly so.
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islan: I think Renee thinks it was a deliberate action on his part to piss her off by being an obnoxious asshole.
If I'm right, it does say that Renee is somewhat self-centred, thinking as she seems to that everything that's been happening in the last few minutes is about her.
Keep in mind that Angus and Renee dated, and they didn't break up on good terms.
Not that I'm saying it's all Renee's fault, but Angus was...really really boring besides being kinda snarky. It would make total sense if Renee had some strange hangups related to dating and relationships which made her not see things in an entirely objective manner.
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I just can't help but think, if you meet someone on the internet to hook up with, "Buyer Beware."
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islan: I think Renee thinks it was a deliberate action on his part to piss her off by being an obnoxious asshole.
If I'm right, it does say that Renee is somewhat self-centred, thinking as she seems to that everything that's been happening in the last few minutes is about her.
Keep in mind that Angus and Renee dated, and they didn't break up on good terms.
Not that I'm saying it's all Renee's fault, but Angus was...really really boring besides being kinda snarky. It would make total sense if Renee had some strange hangups related to dating and relationships which made her not see things in an entirely objective manner.
Oh, she's a realistic character. And it's not like I'm super-condemning her for how she reacts to the world.
A character can do things that I consider wrong without me being particularly pissed off about it :-) in fact, I find her kinda relatable, moreso than in the past.
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However, Peter was being extremely rude.
I don't think I've seen anyone claiming otherwise? I'll assume you're referring to what I wrote, seeing as you wrote it immediately after my post.
My point wasn't that he wasn't rude. My point was that the person affected was primarily Brun, and Renee is making it about herself. In my opinion, unduly so.
And that is completely fair. It was more of a general comment, focussed more on Islan's remark. I should have made that more clear, or not replied while distracted. My bad.
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However, Peter was being extremely rude.
I don't think I've seen anyone claiming otherwise? I'll assume you're referring to what I wrote, seeing as you wrote it immediately after my post.
My point wasn't that he wasn't rude. My point was that the person affected was primarily Brun, and Renee is making it about herself. In my opinion, unduly so.
I feel like she’s reacting appropriately— he was directing his rudeness towards a run but performing it for Renee.
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Birds of a feather and all that. He's an asshole but so is Renee. They deserve each other so much that I wonder if Jeph plans a long term dysfunctional relationship for the two of them. Her kindness and care toward Brun is all we've seen that makes her the better example of a human being.
What has Renee done to deserve the vitriol? I'm a bit confused.
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We have a secondhand report from Angus, though it was so long ago it may be in Retconville by now. She lashed out at Clinton for helping Brun. Her interactions with Brun could be construed as patronizing as opposed to helpful. She took advantage of Elliott's good nature to get him out of his shirt at work.
But you asked about vitriol, and the usual answer is that the characters are so well drawn that they remind forum members of real people in the members's lives, sometimes really bad ones.
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What has Renee done to deserve the vitriol? I'm a bit confused.
Did you watch Downton Abbey on PBS? Think Lady Mary without the money. She delights in "accidentally" saying things that stir up drama which she finds amusing but can be uncomfortable at best for her victims.
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I think Prospero lacked any social skills and, not knowing Renee or Brun especially well just thought "this is my online hookup's hot roomate, I bet I could get her into a threesome," and that's why he was hitting on her. I don't think he was deliberately being an asshole as Renee seemed to think, being an asshole just came naturally to him.
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Florida birthmark's real name was Steven.
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Florida birthmark's real name was Steven.
Cosette is going to be so pissed off.
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Did the comic change, or is this a joke saying Renee got his name wrong the same way she did P? Because the comic says his name is Shaun.
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One also wonders what OTHER nicknames she does.
Nah, don't wanna go there...
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This may have come up before.
Marigold is getting more self-reliant socially and though they will always be friends she's no longer in critical need of Momo's social protocol database.
Brun on the other hand could really use the handholding.
Brun is impecunious but I wouldn't expect there'd be an adoption fee to set up a companionship contract with Momo.
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Did the comic change, or is this a joke saying Renee got his name wrong the same way she did P? Because the comic says his name is Shaun.
Just a joke! The idea of Renee having a legacy of misnamed hookups was funny to me.
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Birds of a feather and all that. He's an asshole but so is Renee. They deserve each other so much that I wonder if Jeph plans a long term dysfunctional relationship for the two of them. Her kindness and care toward Brun is all we've seen that makes her the better example of a human being.
Yes, but he was also douchey and creepy to Brun, whom he didn’t even know.
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I think Prospero lacked any social skills and, not knowing Renee or Brun especially well just thought "this is my online hookup's hot roomate, I bet I could get her into a threesome," and that's why he was hitting on her. I don't think he was deliberately being an asshole as Renee seemed to think, being an asshole just came naturally to him.
I'm not sure "being an asshole comes naturally to him" is the improvement over "deliberately being an asshole" you seem to be suggesting it is here. xD
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I'm not sure "being an asshole comes naturally to him" is the improvement over "deliberately being an asshole" you seem to be suggesting it is here. xD
If the effects are the same, surely "no particular intent" is preferable to "deliberately trying to be an asshole"? At the very least, there's more hope that they can be trained out of it.
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Okay, so we've never seen the guy and yet I'm shipping Renee with Shaun already. Given that she's actually defending him from Brun's (inadvertent) put-downs!
This is an interesting strip in that it reminds us just how all-at-sea poor Brun is when dealing with metaphor and other figurative language. As suggested in panel 3, she's literally has to ask whether or not something is meant in figurative terms. Everyday conversation must be quite a trial for her!
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I hope one day one of our members registers as Florida Birthmark. Haven't chuckled like that at a strip in a while.
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This is a good reminder that Renee is Faye’s Secret Bakery doppelgänger. She’s not an easy person to like and many of us probably wouldn’t, but deep down she’s a good person.
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I'm reading QC for a while, now (8 years or so), and in my opinion, we are going to know Shaun "Florida birthmark" before long... :D
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Eh, if someone deserves being mean to, then go for whatever hurts most, which in the case of someone like that guy, is probably his dick. Also pencil-dick is a pretty average insult, a bit less hurtful but less lazy than "bitch". So I'd say Renee got the slight upper hand there.
Also, the president*'s fingers are short, hurr hurr.
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I'm not sure "being an asshole comes naturally to him" is the improvement over "deliberately being an asshole" you seem to be suggesting it is here. xD
I wasn't saying it was an improvement. I just disagreed with Renee's assessment of his motivations.
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I'm really enjoying the Brun and Renee slice-of-life.
Just seeing Brun be Brun, and seeing how Renee and Brun interact.
It's neat. And I like it.
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I hope one day one of our members registers as Florida Birthmark. Haven't chuckled like that at a strip in a while.
Ok, I'm going to ask: Who the hell is Florida birthmark?
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I hope one day one of our members registers as Florida Birthmark. Haven't chuckled like that at a strip in a while.
Ok, I'm going to ask: Who the hell is Florida birthmark?
That's Brun's nickname (possibly acquired from Renee) for someone named Shaun whom Renee dated once and remembers fondly enough to defend him from Brun's tendency to not set aside brain space for casual acquaintances.
The name comes from the fact that he has a birthmark somewhere on his body that looks like a map of the state of Florida.
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Brun on the other hand could really use the handholding.
I don't disagree, but I'd like to point out that this is one of the situations where I feel "a wee bit Brun" myself. Like "People actually do that?"
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Isn't that kind of difficulty with metaphor common among people on the autism spectrum? Any idea that Brun might be neurotypical seems to be getting remote.
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Isn't that kind of difficulty with metaphor common among people on the autism spectrum? Any idea that Brun might be neurotypical seems to be getting remote.
I'm not neurotypical, but pretty sure that I'm not on the spectrum, either, so I can't really help you here.
(There is some overlap between early-life symptoms of ADHD and parts of the spectrum, but afaik, the mechanisms are different. And I'm not really in the early parts of my life.)
Peter appears petty, stupid and vindictive to me - I see he's trying to cause hurt, but to me, he's doing it in a way that simultaneously completely nullifies any reason why I should ever care about anything he says or thinks.
Edit: I also think you're underestimating Brun a bit when you talk of handholding - I think she is very consciously 'using' Renee as a source of "external perspective", something that I have done many times (or Hannes... ) - but so have you, on occasion, if memory serves. That doesn't mean she is slavishly adhering to Renée's view of things.
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Brun's prior employment was as a bartender with a harpoon. I think she can handle herself way better than we give her credit for.
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So it occurs to me—we've now had, as major characters, a highly promiscuous straight dude (Sven), a highly promiscuous gay girl (Tai pre-Dora), and now seemingly a highly promiscuous straight girl (Renee). We need a highly promiscuous gay dude now, to complete the This Character Fucks square.
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Brun's prior employment was as a bartender with a harpoon. I think she can handle herself way better than we give her credit for.
I completely agree.
She has life strategies in place. She follows them doggedly. She's aware that she sometimes needs a friend's outside perspective. Not everyone has such a grasp on life.
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Isn't that kind of difficulty with metaphor common among people on the autism spectrum? Any idea that Brun might be neurotypical seems to be getting remote.
Often, though it differs by situation and person. I can usually follow straight metaphors, especially when the dimensions are absurd (a dick shaped like a pencil) or the situation is like that. But with exaggerations, slang especially, or internet memes, or situations where speech isn't denotative but rather structured on mutual intrinsic understanding (think of situations where a couple dudes might do a complicated fist bump and clown around speaking incomplete sentences), I'm often lost. I didn't pay enough attention to the other students in my spec ed classes to really evaluate their responses, much less that I'd remember after 11 years.
@ case: reminds me that I recently watched an episode of A Place Further Than The Universe (spoilers in case anyone's watching), where part of a character's backstory was revealed, in which her track team "friends" had encouraged her, a first year, to go for the top at the competition instead of deferring to the third years, which was apparently a huge faux pas. Then those same "friends" told the third years who were pissed that they had told her to be more respectful, making her look terrible. and leading her to wall herself off.
I couldn't even understand the scene at first, and even after getting the japanese cultural parts explained to me, I still can't figure out "why". I've decided to just shrug and chalk it up to "they decided to bully her, that's just a thing that people do sometimes".
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Brun's prior employment was as a bartender with a harpoon. I think she can handle herself way better than we give her credit for.
Yeah, that. I can do well enough on my own. It's still nice to have someone that I can let my guard down around, stop putting up a more socially adept front, and say with a blank face and monotone, "I do not understand why those people acted this way. Please explain this to me so that I can note it in my human behavior algorithm."
Brun CAN analyze and see through people's BS sometimes better than even other people can (remember Clinton). But it's exhausting. Renee is willing to just straight up explain it to her without getting weird about it. At least directly. I and others have noted before that she seems to underestimate Brun, herself, and can be condescending. Probably because she sees the relaxed Brun more than the trying-real-hard Brun.
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and now seemingly a highly promiscuous straight girl (Renee).
If her tinder settings are anything to go by, Renee is bi. (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3263)
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Brun's prior employment was as a bartender with a harpoon. I think she can handle herself way better than we give her credit for.
Yeah, pretty much. Brun is able to look after herself, she's proven that. What I'm getting from this is that Renee is babying her, for want of a better term, and has done for quite some time. This is a little difficult for me to wrap my head around, because I've never had the experience, but from what I have seen of Renee and Brun's relationship, there is this quasi-dysfunctional psuedo-parental relationship between them. Like Renee treats Brun as a child, rather than as a friend or equal. Yes Renee cares about Brun, but it seems like she's always exasperated having to explain things to her.
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Regarding Renee. The behaviours that have led people to label her an arsehole were all, if I recall correctly, instances of her looking out for Brun.
I don’t think that makes her an areshole. Overprotective maybe.
There’s one other piece of evidence often cited. I’d be asking myself whether judging someone based on another’s opinion is just.
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I'd also like to add that the way Brun is discussed sometimes makes me a bit uncomfortable.
I am on the spectrum. Many of us do understand how life works. Many of us also don't get anywhere near enough credit for how sarcastic we're being because people expect us to be socially stunted, and we cannot read Brun's tone (I'm willing to bet Renee can't always either).
Also, at the risk of seeming contradictory - we only have our observations of Brun to lead us to believe she's not neurotypical anyway.
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It is possible that I'm over-identifying based on how many times I've had to say something like "I don't understand what just happened". I think my life would have been improved if I'd had a roommate with a social protocol database. Brun is making her way in life but she does seem determined to understand human interactions better than she does.
If Brun is not on the spectrum I think she could be very empathetic to people who are.
Good point, Tova, about the number of criticisms of Renee that came from her protecting Brun. I can think of only one exception, which was the incident with Elliott that was arguably sexual harassment.
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So it occurs to me—we've now had, as major characters, a highly promiscuous straight dude (Sven), a highly promiscuous gay girl (Tai pre-Dora), and now seemingly a highly promiscuous straight girl (Renee). We need a highly promiscuous gay dude now, to complete the This Character Fucks square.
Marten's boss back in the early days, before he went to work at the Smif Library.
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Wasn't he in a monogamous relationship?
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Good point, Tova, about the number of criticisms of Renee that came from her protecting Brun. I can think of only one exception, which was the incident with Elliott that was arguably sexual harassment.
That's a good example that I'd forgotten about. I'd agree with that assessment (minus the word 'arguably'), albeit not in the worst category of sexual harassment.
In her defense, I will point out that she was quick to acknowledge that what she'd done was wrong once it was pointed out to her, which doesn't strike me as arseholish behaviour. However, her failure to recognise it as such in the moment is certainly a character flaw.
I also agree that we have no direct evidence that Brun is neuroatypical, but I would argue that much of our discussion hinges on observed behaviour, not on whether she is actually neurotypical or otherwise.
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I still think there’s a lot of room for Renee to be aneurotypical as well — she really vibes to me as someone with adhd
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If Brun is neurodivergent it will be yet another success of Jeph's at being inclusive of someone different from average.
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So Brun's totally gonna move in with another character, right? Maybe Clinton's moving out of the dorms?
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Or Elliot?
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No, she's definitely going to move in with the fairy and her reindeer.
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What’s a laundry card? Every apartment I’ve lived in with communal washer/dryers were coin operated.
Is the card for accessing the wash room, or have all the machines sprouted credit card readers?
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My guess is that it's some kind of a stored-value card.
You would presumably use a separate vending machine to load value into it, either using cash or a credit card. The laundry machine and dryer would then deduct the appropriate amount whenever you use the card to do your laundry.
Saves you from having to carry exact change or a credit card. And the laundry machines don't need to access the credit card network.
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All I remember about Marten's old boss is that he planned to use his severance package for a vacation with his boyfriend (they could have been poly of course, but that wasn't mentioned IIRC).
Edit: Two Scott strips, thanks to the QC wiki
87 (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=87)
624 (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=624)
I stand corrected!
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Saves you from having to carry exact change or a credit card. And the laundry machines don't need to access the credit card network.
Also, from the landlord's perspective, any coin operated machine WILL be broken into sooner or later and the contents of the coin box stolen. Then the machine is out of service and isn't making any money until it's repaired - and that's an additional expense. The cost of a card reader system starts looking pretty reasonable. No cash in the laundry room make it safer for your tenants, too.
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I think that today's entire strip can be summed up just be looking at panels 4 and 5. Brun has, during her time staying with Renee, learned something important: As difficult as it is to deal with other people and their weird perspectives and figurative interpretations of reality, it's still better than being alone. I think that Brun doesn't want to be alone again, something that I think she's been for most of her life in one way or another.
So Brun's totally gonna move in with another character, right? Maybe Clinton's moving out of the dorms?
That's certainly one possibility, although I think Jeph will be aware that people will start drawing comparisons with Marten and Faye in terms of the romantic tension between them.
However, IMO at least, Questionable Content works best when it's set around The Odd Couple, their romantic travails, their odd neighbours and their quirky workplaces. It's possible that he's trying to recreate this around The Secret Bakery character group.
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her track team "friends" had encouraged her, a first year, to go for the top at the competition instead of deferring to the third years, which was apparently a huge faux pas. Then those same "friends" told the third years who were pissed that they had told her to be more respectful, making her look terrible. and leading her to wall herself off.
I couldn't even understand the scene at first, and even after getting the japanese cultural parts explained to me, I still can't figure out "why". I've decided to just shrug and chalk it up to "they decided to bully her, that's just a thing that people do sometimes".
So the characters in question weren't exactly bullying, or at least not trying to. They were just being spineless: they told the first-year to do her best because they wanted to be encouraging and seem like good, friendly people, but as soon as their encouragement ended up getting them negative feedback from the older students they denied having done it so that they wouldn't have to deal with the consequences of admitting what they'd said.
It's a cultural thing in that specific context, but it's not a phenomenon unique to Japan. Plenty of sycophants around the world.
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Renee is serious since she’s using Brun’s full first name, but not her middle name so she’s not angry.
People have speculated that Clinton or Elliot could be her new roommate, but maybe Hannelore has come along on her personal journey she might be willing to experiment with a roommate.
There’s also Roko. She might need some help with her rent.
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Brun will move in with her harpoon, who, we will soon discover, has actually been an AI all along.
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I still think there’s a lot of room for Renee to be aneurotypical as well — she really vibes to me as someone with adhd
Hmmmmh - What makes you think so? I don't feel that any of the cast vibes with my experience of ADHD. Though that doesn't need to mean much, given how varied the symptoms can be, how much the presentation can change in adulthood, or my complete lack of medical qualifications.
I'd say Emily and Hannelore sometimes appear 'hyper' in a way that pushes social norms, but IIRC "stuff I read in passing, years ago" , that's something that exceptionally gifted children/young adults wrestle with, too.
None of the cast appear to have any of the difficulty with executive functioning that are typically associated with all three subtypes (I'm a 'type I/predominantly inattentive' myself, though .... an adult one who had plenty of treatment). Difficulty starting or finishing tasks - or the flipside: Hyperfocus/perseverance on tasks that are enjoyable - I don't recall any of that ever being mentioned so far (Which, again, doesn't need to mean anything at all, really)
If Jeph would acknowledge that one of the cast lives with ADHD, my money would be on Sam (as a hyperactive/impulsive subtype) - though anything she does that appears unusual to me could IMO just as well indicate "healthy, alert 21st century Tomboy, type I"
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FWIW, I think that Renee is a perfect example in QC of a 'normal person'. She can be thoughtless and selfish sometimes. She can cause trouble by acts of nearly-childish mischief. However, in the end, given a choice, she'll always do the right thing by her friends and even acknowledge fault (even if only by muttering it to herself). She's no saint but which of us are?
As with Marten, in some ways, Renee's mundanity is what makes her interesting. She has no glaring non-neurotypical traits and no Deep Dark SecretTM in her past. She is simply an ordinary person with ordinary hang-ups and ordinary flaws. Seeing how that fits into Jeph's increasingly fantastical universe of sentient machines with human-like life issues (and some very non-human ones too) and other remarkable personalities is one of the things that is interesting to see.
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her track team "friends" had encouraged her, a first year, to go for the top at the competition instead of deferring to the third years, which was apparently a huge faux pas. Then those same "friends" told the third years who were pissed that they had told her to be more respectful, making her look terrible. and leading her to wall herself off.
I couldn't even understand the scene at first, and even after getting the japanese cultural parts explained to me, I still can't figure out "why". I've decided to just shrug and chalk it up to "they decided to bully her, that's just a thing that people do sometimes".
So the characters in question weren't exactly bullying, or at least not trying to. They were just being spineless: they told the first-year to do her best because they wanted to be encouraging and seem like good, friendly people, but as soon as their encouragement ended up getting them negative feedback from the older students they denied having done it so that they wouldn't have to deal with the consequences of admitting what they'd said.
It's a cultural thing in that specific context, but it's not a phenomenon unique to Japan. Plenty of sycophants around the world.
Nah, it was bullying. Transcribed from discord:
"Ok, so, there's 3 years in japanese high school. And it's expected that the younger students will let the older ones take the more prestigious positions in clubs/teams and whatnot, both to improve their chances for potential university applications, and also out of respect for seniority. But Hinata's "friends" basically told her to ignore that and go for it, telling her that it would be fine and nobody would care. Turns out that they did care, and it turned her basically into a social pariah. And then, when she expected them to have her back, they basically said to the older girls that it was all her idea and all her fault. So they betrayed her twice over."
Another one:
"Clubs in japan are a huge deal
There's a reason you see them so much in anime
Being in a club is basically required, socially
It's culturally treated as a way to train for your eventual office job
Learning responsibility and how to be an adult
Sports clubs included"
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"She has an exceptional trait (good at running), and probably made the other girls in her team jealous and such that she'd "flaunt" it
In Japan there's this thing with competitions where the final year of their teams is a very damn big event
So crashing it like that by taking advantage of her naivete is colossally dickish"
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I'm not sure "being an asshole comes naturally to him" is the improvement over "deliberately being an asshole" you seem to be suggesting it is here. xD
If the effects are the same, surely "no particular intent" is preferable to "deliberately trying to be an asshole"? At the very least, there's more hope that they can be trained out of it.
I'll probably have some nay-sayers here, but I would argue that there are those people to whom one simply must be an asshole to in order to get one's point across. Though, this is largely situational.
'{S}imply must' as in 'there is no other way to go about', not as in 'it is the most natural and/or expected response'. Though, there are also those people for whom the latter also applies.
EDIT: Had to change the bracket type around the upper-cased 's' to get rid of the strikethrough.
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Laundry Cards are RFID cards that you store money on for doing laundry. A lot of places are switching to them because you can deposit money via credit or check card and there's no money to be stolen.
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Keep in mind that Angus and Renee dated, and they didn't break up on good terms.
Wait, what?
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Theta9: Here (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1859) is the reference.
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I think that today's entire strip can be summed up just be looking at panels 4 and 5. Brun has, during her time staying with Renee, learned something important: As difficult as it is to deal with other people and their weird perspectives and figurative interpretations of reality, it's still better than being alone. I think that Brun doesn't want to be alone again, something that I think she's been for most of her life in one way or another.
I'm getting that impression as well, especially Brun's whole "comically missing the point" line in the last panel. Yeah, she enjoy's Renee's company, and doesn't want to move out. The problem is, Renee presumably has a one-bedroom apartment (or Renee would be in the other bedroom) and likes her privacy, for her internet hookups if nothing else, so I guess those two are gonna need to pool their money and get a two-bedroom apt...
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Renee is serious since she’s using Brun’s full first name, but not her middle name so she’s not angry.
People have speculated that Clinton or Elliot could be her new roommate, but maybe Hannelore has come along on her personal journey she might be willing to experiment with a roommate.
There’s also Roko. She might need some help with her rent.
Both Hanners and Brun are scrubophiles, so they might get on quite well. However, depending on Hannelore's level of recovery (or healing?) upon her return, Brun might remind her too much of her former self for comfort.
Roko? I don't know. I see her as pretty frugal and not without personal savings to fall back on, and AI's physiological and safety needs are somewhat less than us meatfolk. A secure location to downcycle and recharge is quite adequate, and an actual apartment is only necessary if one has possessions to protect. Roko's previously kept an apartment, but she's in a period of major change. She could decide to try minimalist living.
But, this IS QC. Brun and Roko sharing space makes two reasons for Clinton to come around. Que romantic comedy. (I'm still shipping Roko and Clinton. Clintko? Naw, sounds like a discount store. Clintro? Rokton?)
Love Brun's Li'l Orphan Annie eyes in panel 4.
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When Angus and Renee broke up, what we know is that Angus' friends were happy about it. Nothing more or less.
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Friends that were never on screen and who we know nothing about.
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Exactly. Faye and Angus and Renee are not the most emotionallly settled people in the world.
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Friends that were never on screen and who we know nothing about.
To be fair, we've never seen or heard anything about Marten's friends from California.
I imagine Angus' friends were belonging to a comedy group or something, not necessarily ones he'd mix with Faye or Marten.
Alternatively, they left town shortly after Angus and Renee broke up. After all, when he had those auditions in New York, he was crashing on a friend's couch.
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"Housemates" (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1363). We do not know whether this means Marigold and Momo. He may also have been exaggerating about their reaction.
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The idea of Marigold and Momo throwing a party is amusing, given where they both were at the time. This was before Marigold’s introduction, so she was still basically a shut-in. And Momo was still in her chibi chassis. So the party would have been just the two of them.
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"Housemates" (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1363). We do not know whether this means Marigold and Momo. He may also have been exaggerating about their reaction.
He'd just broken up with her. That's not the most objective viewpoint. His housemates might genuinely be corroborating his viewpoint, or they might just be acting highly sympathetically with his. Or they might just have hated her because she wasn't right for Angus.
That Angus rebounded straight to Faye, that Renee and Faye were deemed similar in at least one respect in another strip, and that Renee was set up as Faye's doppelganger all suggest that the attributes that Angus deemed to be strongly negative also exist in Faye.
So I'd be interested to know whether the people who dislike Renee feel the same way about Faye.
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berf
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Happy Saint Valentine's Day to Renee and Brunhilde!!
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I can see Marigold and Renee really not liking each other without it having anything to do with Angus.
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Renee and ADHD:
Tbh it’s a little vain, because I see myself in Renee and I have ADHD. The way she has a routine that WORKS for her that she reflexively tries to impose on others, the way she’s sometimes TOO MUCH in her emotional responses to others, and her ability to track Brun’s literal but nonlinear thinking all are traits I see in myself.
Renee and Marigold:
Wasn’t Renee the ex who Angus felt was judgmental of how him and his friends treated Marigold? Or like, wanted to help Marigold or something? I’m prob wrong because I can’t find it in the archive at all.
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d'awwwwww
Well, some people in this forum called this comic already. Maybe they were patreons or just read it better than me. I thought it was mostly inertia keeping Brun at Renee's place, and an inability to see that she was kind of getting in the way a little bit. I didn't think she'd be especially into the roomies thing itself. I figured Brun would end up doing the "independent living" thing again.
Not that they didn't like each other, obviously they do, but it seemed to me like Renee also would prefer "independent living". Especially since Brun kinda crashed at her place unexpectedly after a desire and then just...didn't leave.
Or maybe that is it from Renee's side, but she's attached enough to Brun to easily change her mind and upend her own situation on a whim in order to be more tolerable to the both of them? Accepting less than ideal, for Brun's sake?
Hmm. At any rate I'm surprised, I didn't think the 2-bedroom scenario was all that likely.
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Renee gets "not-such-an-asshole-after-all-at-least-not-all-the-time" points.
I think the last frame is the first time Brun has made eye contact with us through the fourth wall. I didn't realize Jeph usually draws her looking off to the side. Nice bit of detail there.
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AWWWWWWWWWW.
"Berf"
:D
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D'aww
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I want to coin the phrase "Berf out!", but it sounds negative and this is a happy moment.
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I want to coin the phrase "Berf out!", but it sounds negative and this is a happy moment.
How about "I am berft"?
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Berf indeed.
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I really like Renee in this. She’s sympathetic, calm tone, she immediately stops when Brun has more to say. Not saying she should be acting differently, of course, but nevertheless, this is good.
Heh. Puts "Oh. Am I not good to live with?" "You're fine." in a new light.
I also like how Brun puts it. “I like living with you. I feel safe with you. I know if you get annoyed with me, you’ll still understand me. I feel good coming home to that. I trust you, and I’ll find another place.”
Strong sentiments, well put. Honesty is important, many people are bad at it, A+.
With Renee, I do not think she is making a sacrifice here. Again, “You’re fine.” Followed by (paraphrased:) “But you should have an actual living space! With your own bed! Don’t you miss having a place for yourself?”
I think Renee genuinely enjoys Brun’s company and living with her. She didn’t realize Brun felt how she did, and now she’s touched and wants to reciprocate.
I think it’s mutual. Not unwanted, not unwelcomed, just happy, and surprised, and mutual.
(Edited because I accidentally put too much space at the bottom of my comment xD)
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I am very late to this party, but I had a few things to get caught up on.
Eh, if someone deserves being mean to, then go for whatever hurts most, which in the case of someone like that guy, is probably his dick. Also pencil-dick is a pretty average insult, a bit less hurtful but less lazy than ["birch"]. So I'd say Renee got the slight upper hand there.
Also, the president*'s fingers are short, hurr hurr.
It isn't about what hurts Peter. It is about the splash damage. Not mocking somebody's body is about not contributing to a culture where the size and/or shape of a person's genitals is a source of shame or pride. I have made great effort lately to not use my common go-to insults because they mock appearance, cognitive ability or language skills. While me calling someone "gammon faced" seems trivial, I am increasingly uncomfortable with suggesting that being unattractive is something worth shaming someone for, even if they're being an ass. Her recognition of this was very timely for me.
As for Thrillho pointing out that Brun may be far more sarcastic that we give her credit for; absolutely yes. I work in a grocery store. A large portion of our bagging staff are somewhere on the spectrum. One thing you learn about people on the spectrum (if you take the time to get to know them) is just how vast the spectrum is. Frequently, new hires have to be given some guidance on interacting with them because they understand far less about interacting with the neurodivergent baggers than those baggers understand about interacting with the rest of us. "Sara is totally non-communicative. Just put her at a register and let her bag. Be nice and say hello, just don't put too much pressure on her to make small talk. Mark is really into schedules, so he'll probably remember yours better than you do. It helps him feel in control if things are steady and predictable and it gives him something to talk about. Bella hasn't quite got the hang of small talk, so she's going to tell you all about what she had for lunch. Tell her about yours and give her a high five and she'll be the sweetest person you ever met. Ted? Ted was just fucking with you. It's just a little harder to figure out his sarcasm voice. You'll get the hang of it." They run the gamut form very high to very low function socially. But when you learn to stop seeing them in terms of their position on the spectrum, you can almost forget that they're on the spectrum at all.
Brun, if she is indeed on the spectrum, reminds me of Ted (his name has been changed just in case). He understands sarcasm perfectly well, it just isn't intuitive to him. He has to think about it. And he knows that most people assume that he doesn't get sarcasm and he uses that to his advantage. He's the sort of person who will make someone explain a racist joke just to make them feel bad for thinking a racist joke was funny. I think Brun may have been poking a little fun at Renee for her habit of giving people anatomical nick-names. And I think it worked precisely because Renee would assume Brun was being serious.
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I've never really been able to shake the possibility that Brun was essentially lonely and miserable up to that fateful night when she met Clinton for the first time. Oh, she'd found a balance point where she could function and survive with a modicum of independence but it's clear that she wasn't in the nicest of places in terms of how those she had to work with and/or around treated her. Nor does it seem that she had many friends beyond Renee.
The fact is that, despite its challenges, Brun likes her current life a great deal more than she liked her previous life. She'd really prefer not to go back to the way things were before, thank you very much.
So, here we are and the fact that Moving Day for Renee and Brun is on the horizon. I'm wondering how that may develop going forwards and whether having her own private space may lead Brun to seize certain opportunities, so to speak.
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Isn't that kind of difficulty with metaphor common among people on the autism spectrum? Any idea that Brun might be neurotypical seems to be getting remote.
Often, though it differs by situation and person. I can usually follow straight metaphors, especially when the dimensions are absurd (a dick shaped like a pencil) or the situation is like that. But with exaggerations, slang especially, or internet memes, or situations where speech isn't denotative but rather structured on mutual intrinsic understanding (think of situations where a couple dudes might do a complicated fist bump and clown around speaking incomplete sentences), I'm often lost. I didn't pay enough attention to the other students in my spec ed classes to really evaluate their responses, much less that I'd remember after 11 years.
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It definitely varies. While it's a common hallmark of autism, it's not a prerequisite. I have more trouble with people not being very specific when they talk. "That" "this" "those" "it" can be pretty frustrating for me. Especially when the person talking isn't pointing at whatever or doesn't describe it beyond "there" when pointing.
I'd also like to add that the way Brun is discussed sometimes makes me a bit uncomfortable.
I am on the spectrum. Many of us do understand how life works. Many of us also don't get anywhere near enough credit for how sarcastic we're being because people expect us to be socially stunted, and we cannot read Brun's tone (I'm willing to bet Renee can't always either).
Also, at the risk of seeming contradictory - we only have our observations of Brun to lead us to believe she's not neurotypical anyway.
Would we technically be 'dead-pan snarkers' when we do that? Most people have trouble telling that I'm being sarcastic unless I'm gesticulating more than normal and over-emphasizing words.
BTW, from what we've observed of Brun, I'd say it's pretty clear she's neurodivergent. But that could just be my personal biases.
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I like everything about this comment! And the paratransit services are late, so I may or may not have time to reply to it!
It isn't about what hurts Peter. It is about the splash damage. Not mocking somebody's body is about not contributing to a culture where the size and/or shape of a person's genitals is a source of shame or pride. I have made great effort lately to not use my common go-to insults because they mock appearance, cognitive ability or language skills. While me calling someone "gammon faced" seems trivial, I am increasingly uncomfortable with suggesting that being unattractive is something worth shaming someone for, even if they're being an ass. Her recognition of this was very timely for me.
Yeah... this isn't necessarily a habit I had to break in myself, as much as something became increasingly opposed to in the behavior of some of my friends, but yeah, so much this.
As for Thrillho pointing out that Brun may be far more sarcastic that we give her credit for; absolutely yes. I work in a grocery store. A large portion of our bagging staff are somewhere on the spectrum. One thing you learn about people on the spectrum (if you take the time to get to know them) is just how vast the spectrum is. Frequently, new hires have to be given some guidance on interacting with them because they understand far less about interacting with the neurodivergent baggers than those baggers understand about interacting with the rest of us.
Oh yeah. I'm on the spectrum, and I my job involves helping and informing others on the spectrum and those who live/work with them. Often, I've been told that someone on the spectrum has a "problem with authority", and my opinion has been that it's mainly the authority that has a problem with the person, not the other way around.
"Sara is totally non-communicative. Just put her at a register and let her bag. Be nice and say hello, just don't put too much pressure on her to make small talk. Mark is really into schedules, so he'll probably remember yours better than you do. It helps him feel in control if things are steady and predictable and it gives him something to talk about. Bella hasn't quite got the hang of small talk, so she's going to tell you all about what she had for lunch. Tell her about yours and give her a high five and she'll be the sweetest person you ever met. Ted? Ted was just fucking with you. It's just a little harder to figure out his sarcasm voice. You'll get the hang of it." They run the gamut form very high to very low function socially. But when you learn to stop seeing them in terms of their position on the spectrum, you can almost forget that they're on the spectrum at all.
I love that explenation rundown. It's excellent, and very useful. And the final comment is very true. My younger sister said of growing up and living with me: "I never thought of AP as different, you know? I just thought of it as part of who AP was. Like, every now and then in conversations, I'll throw out a line, like "do you get it?", and if they do, I'll keep going, otherwise I'll explain further. Never thought of it as a handicap or whatever."
Brun, if she is indeed on the spectrum, reminds me of Ted (his name has been changed just in case). He understands sarcasm perfectly well, it just isn't intuitive to him. He has to think about it. And he knows that most people assume that he doesn't get sarcasm and he uses that to his advantage. He's the sort of person who will make someone explain a racist joke just to make them feel bad for thinking a racist joke was funny. I think Brun may have been poking a little fun at Renee for her habit of giving people anatomical nick-names. And I think it worked precisely because Renee would assume Brun was being serious.
Heh. Yeah, I've done that. I don't understand all humor, especially slapstick is just arcane to me, but for a lot of it, I understand it, but it's not intuitive.
Also, there are jokes I can tell that other people really couldn't (or so people tell me). they'd sound insulting or otherwise not work while mine make people laugh. When you say something in a completely serious voice, and people know you mean exactly what you say and don't mean anything beyond that, that if you had a problem with someone you'd say so verbatim not use verbal barbs, that opens up comical possibilites.
At last years easter party, my sisters +1 made fun of a family friends hairdo, who was sitting next to me. She asks "No, it looks cute, right?" and I respond, completely serious: "Yeah, it's adorable. It looks like a cute octopus sitting on top of your head" And this was recieved with much laughter, no offense taken.
Might say more of I wasn't stressed out because I'll be late for work and it's been 25 minutes and paratransit still isn't here, but eh, you do what you can with the position you're in. I'll just press post. Might come back to this conversation after work.
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Shit, man. I think I like Renee.
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So, here we are and the fact that Moving Day for Renee and Brun is on the horizon. I'm wondering how that may develop going forwards and whether having her own private space may lead Brun to seize certain opportunities, so to speak.
You mean that she'll find out if some of the already introduced parts of the male population of the strip has a 'pencil-appendix' or maybe an interestingly shaped birthmark?
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So, here we are and the fact that Moving Day for Renee and Brun is on the horizon. I'm wondering how that may develop going forwards and whether having her own private space may lead Brun to seize certain opportunities, so to speak.
You mean that she'll find out if some of the already introduced parts of the male population of the strip has a 'pencil-appendix' or maybe an interestingly shaped birthmark?
That too but I hope that having a private space and therefore a sense of partial 'ownership' of the overall space will encourage her to invite friends home and socialise in a less formal environment and on her own schedule.
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B'errrrrrrrrrfh!
:laugh:
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The berf returns! Return of the berf!
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Shit, man. I think I like Renee.
You know what, me too. I never liked her much before, as bossy people tend to put my back up. But this strip reminded me that good people aren't always super pleasant.
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Would we technically be 'dead-pan snarkers' when we do that? Most people have trouble telling that I'm being sarcastic unless I'm gesticulating more than normal and over-emphasizing words.
Yeah if I'm being facetious I'll speak in a silly voice and exaggerate to the point of ridiculousness too. Probably to the point it ruins the joke, but oh well, better than undercooking it lol
I like everything about this comment! And the paratransit services are late, so I may or may not have time to reply to it!
It isn't about what hurts Peter. It is about the splash damage. Not mocking somebody's body is about not contributing to a culture where the size and/or shape of a person's genitals is a source of shame or pride. I have made great effort lately to not use my common go-to insults because they mock appearance, cognitive ability or language skills. While me calling someone "gammon faced" seems trivial, I am increasingly uncomfortable with suggesting that being unattractive is something worth shaming someone for, even if they're being an ass. Her recognition of this was very timely for me.
Yeah... this isn't necessarily a habit I had to break in myself, as much as something became increasingly opposed to in the behavior of some of my friends, but yeah, so much this.
This is a hard gray area for me..on the one hand, I know why it's important to push back against gendered insults and anatomical ones and stuff, and I agree with why. On the other hand, even though everyone I know is really liberal, hell, even my down-with-capitalism politically active feminist friends casually use "bitch" and "thot" and "suck a cock" and all that. It's just...normal. And it's important to abide by the in-group markers if you want to get along with the group...so I want to cut that kind of language out, but not exile myself in the process, you know? Best I've thought of to do is use it sparingly.
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You could just let them use those words and not use them yourself?
You could also resolve that you don't owe us an explanation.
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I see myself in Renee and I have ADHD.
Oh! Hi, fellow Princess of Chaos!
*secrethandshake*
:lol:
The way she has a routine that WORKS for her that she reflexively tries to impose on others, the way she’s sometimes TOO MUCH in her emotional responses to others, and her ability to track Brun’s literal but nonlinear thinking all are traits I see in myself.
This makes sense, in a kind of an unexpected kind of way ... :laugh:
I don't identify strongly with Renee, but ... Her loyalty to Brun resonates with me. I'm "tribal as f**ck" is what I'd call it. As to feeling affinity for those on the spectrum: There is a real difference between the two conditions, methinks, and I'm very conscious of how much easier it is/was for me to 'change my coat & blend in', so I'm really wary of slipping into some patronizing 'Aspie-whisperer'-thingy ... but yeah, I feel an affinity. A lot of of Brun-isms feel 'delightfully original' rather than 'far-out' to me. I don't know whether that's spefic to ADHD, or maybe just having learned, at an early age, that brains are funky things.
As to routine: Yes, the familiar is strangely soothing ... I think that may be 'reluctantance to switching tasks'? Once I'm 'in the groove', or 'on track', - be it a habit, a task, a surrounding - just continuing is almost effortless. But ask me to go against my plan, or to 'switch tracks', and you'll see the claws come out.
I think that may have to do with the tendency to hyperfocus (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperfocus) (and it's ugly brother, perseverance )
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It isn't about what hurts Peter. It is about the splash damage.
This parallels Tova's point about not perpetuating the running gag of getting his name wrong. Now I don't feel free to call him "Pneumonia".
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This is a hard gray area for me..on the one hand, I know why it's important to push back against gendered insults and anatomical ones and stuff, and I agree with why. On the other hand, even though everyone I know is really liberal, hell, even my down-with-capitalism politically active feminist friends casually use "bitch" and "thot" and "suck a cock" and all that. It's just...normal. And it's important to abide by the in-group markers if you want to get along with the group...so I want to cut that kind of language out, but not exile myself in the process, you know? Best I've thought of to do is use it sparingly.
I don't think it's necessarily an either/or thing. A few of my closest female friends and I often used to greet each other with such charming phrases as "Hey slagamuffin!" or "Long time no see, you old slutbag!" Many of our gay and bi male friends also joined in with the affectionately insulting frivolities. It was just what we did. Gradually, though, we just seem to have... ceased. Over the years, I think we just became a bit less inclined to use insults as a group badge.
At any rate, there was always a massive difference between the way we spoke to each other in private, the way we spoke to each other in public, and the way we spoke to strangers. If we'd gone to the pub as a group, for example, and someone had brought along their new date, we wouldn't have used insults in friendly conversation unless the newcomer made it extremely clear that they were comfortable with such (by initiating it).
I think it's fine to use whatever language we're comfortable with among our close friends, but that doesn't mean condoning shitty lanuage in general. My best friend can call me a slag if she wants; she can, and will, still look askance at some random person that calls me that, and preferably aid me in some pithy riposte.
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Comic!
Elliot's "I am daydreaming about something inappropriate" face in panel 4 is hilariously realistic to me.
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She really does make a cute kitten.
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Renee may not know much about cats.
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Renee may not know much about cats.
Agreed. Although I would’ve liked to see an odd couple storyline.
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For all I understand Renee and Brun's thoughts and reasons for wanting to continue to live together, I have to admit that I am thinking it is going to turn out to be harder, long-term, than either of them expect.
That aside, Elliott is a real manga pin-up freak, isn't he? He's seen Brun as a cleaning maid, a Senshi and now as a neko girl. I'm not sure if those are 'fetishes', per se, or if he's just so into manga that he always visualises attractive girls in those frameworks! I wonder I Brun (and, on one occasion, Hannelore) are the only ones that have starred in his inner animé in such a manner?
Finally: Renee, it's good that you're looking out for your friend but it really isn't your business if Elliott is having 'thoughts'. You should know him well enough to know that this is as far as it will ever go.
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And now we see in another scene that Renee felt living together had been and would work. We had signs of this, as I mentioned previously, but now we have verbal confirmation with someone other than Brun, I suppose.
Renee's point in the third panel is actually a pretty common benefit of roommates on the spectrum. I have a partner with Asperger's, and when we are in the same apartment, it will be a balance of spending time together actively, and being next to each other while we do our own things. It's a pleasant way to hang out, I feel.
You still don't have any say over what happens in his head, Renee.
So, uh. On the cat thing. I've been thinking - Does Renee have a habit of assuming her own feelings are more misanthropic than they actually are? I was thinking about that before this comic. When she had a crush on Elliot, she assumed she just liked making fun of him. When she acted protective towards Brun earlier this morning, she said that she'd been "insecure". Now, she reduces feelings of friendship while living together to what she imagines it is like to have a pet. Renee, I think you might like people more than you know.
For all I understand Renee and Brun's thoughts and reasons for wanting to continue to live together, I have to admit that I am thinking it is going to turn out to be harder, long-term, than either of them expect.
Okay. Why is that? This is a case where both Renee and Brun seems to have enjoyed living together like this more than they did living alone. Of course, living together will have its cons, everything does, but this was actually a pretty good test run. This is more confirmation that living together as roommates is a good idea then many people who make this decision have before they make it.
That aside, Elliott is a real manga pin-up freak, isn't he? He's seen Brun as a cleaning maid, a Senshi and now as a neko girl. I'm not sure if those are 'fetishes', per se, or if he's just so into manga that he always visualises attractive girls in those frameworks! I wonder I Brun (and, on one occasion, Hannelore) are the only ones that have starred in his inner animé in such a manner?
Cleaning maids, cat girls and Senshi are definitely fetishes in the stereotypical or larger cultural sense, at least. The way he blushes and imagines these things makes me feel like it is fair to call them that?
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For all I understand Renee and Brun's thoughts and reasons for wanting to continue to live together, I have to admit that I am thinking it is going to turn out to be harder, long-term, than either of them expect.
Okay. Why is that?
Because, fundamentally, living together and sharing a space with someone who may have behaviours or friends that you occasionally find irritating is hard. Renee and Brun are committing to share owning a space which means they're committing themselves to tolerance of each other's quirks and associates in the long term.
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Yes. As opposed to the difficulties of living alone, such as isolation and not having someone else around to readily face the difficulties of home ownership together with.
Yeah, living together with someone can be hard, but the whole point is that you have someone there to help you shoulder any burdens you face together, including that one. Brun and Renee seem to think each other compatible, and I'm inclined to believe them. Thanks for clarifying, though! :)
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Because, fundamentally, living together and sharing a space with someone who may have behaviours or friends that you occasionally find irritating is hard.
At least Renee and Brun are already aware of the specific behaviours that they occasionally find irritating, so they have a slight advantage over most people who decide to move in with each other.
Introduce me to any pair of people who share a space without either having any behaviours the other occasionally finds irritating, and I'll introduce you to my good friend Peter Pan.
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For all I understand Renee and Brun's thoughts and reasons for wanting to continue to live together, I have to admit that I am thinking it is going to turn out to be harder, long-term, than either of them expect.
Okay. Why is that?
Because, fundamentally, living together and sharing a space with someone who may have behaviours or friends that you occasionally find irritating is hard. Renee and Brun are committing to share owning a space which means they're committing themselves to tolerance of each other's quirks and associates in the long term.
That's why you get a mobile home together and each takes a room on opposite ends.
(Currently renting one with my younger brother while his credit score recovers.)
Also, it's generally best to lay out some ground rules together. Chores, dishes, food, cooking, etc. As well as what all gets shared.
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That's why you get a mobile home together and each takes a room on opposite ends.
Well, indeed, having your own space is vital. As Renee said:
Number 3938: "Don't you miss, like, having your own space?" (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3938)
So I daresay that Renee is more aware of the long-term difficulties than has been suggested.
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*snip*
Cleaning maids, cat girls and Senshi are definitely fetishes in the stereotypical or larger cultural sense, at least. The way he blushes and imagines these things makes me feel like it is fair to call them that?
If so, then at least Brun is wearing her normal t-shirt and jeans along with having nekomimi and a tail.
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Again, AWWWWW. So cute!
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*snip*
Cleaning maids, cat girls and Senshi are definitely fetishes in the stereotypical or larger cultural sense, at least. The way he blushes and imagines these things makes me feel like it is fair to call them that?
If so, then at least Brun is wearing her normal t-shirt and jeans along with having nekomimi and a tail.
...and a collar with a heart shaped pendant.
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I'm still shipping Roko and Clinton. Clintko? Naw, sounds like a discount store. Clintro? Rokton?
Ronton.