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Title: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: Gyrre on 23 Mar 2019, 13:13
I suspect Durian is the closest they get to goth if she isn't outright. Hmmm..... Would Pepper be punk or metal?



EDIT: I'm not making a(nother) poll with more than 21 options.
EDIT: Clarification; me suggesting Durian as the goth is only meant as a joke, not an insult.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: Gyrre on 23 Mar 2019, 13:14
I really need to go back to sleep.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: hakko504 on 23 Mar 2019, 13:31
I really need to go back to sleep.
Psst: Ananas = Pineapple in english.
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Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: Gyrre on 23 Mar 2019, 13:35
I really need to go back to sleep.
Psst: Ananas = Pineapple in english.
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English and Spanish being the only ones to call it otherwise is why I put "Ananas". A parenthetical has been added.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: Dandi Andi on 23 Mar 2019, 14:23
Rosehips.

The cast all assume she would go by "Rose" or "Rosie", but her sisters all actually call her "Hips". The thought of calling her "Rose" never occurred to them.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: cybersmurf on 24 Mar 2019, 02:48
Rosehips.

The cast all assume she would go by "Rose" or "Rosie", but her sisters all actually call her "Hips". The thought of calling her "Rose" never occurred to them.

Them darn hipsters! *shaking fist*
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: Gyrre on 24 Mar 2019, 08:59
Rosehips.

The cast all assume she would go by "Rose" or "Rosie", but her sisters all actually call her "Hips". The thought of calling her "Rose" never occurred to them.

Them darn hipsters! *shaking fist*
So you're suggesting it was Avacado's idea to shorten it to 'Hips'? :D
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: shanejayell on 24 Mar 2019, 19:24
Here's hoping Elliot goes in to see Roko and helps her get out of the 'face washing loop' she's in.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: hedgie on 24 Mar 2019, 21:10
I think that she's moved beyond face washing.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: Mr Intrepid on 24 Mar 2019, 21:14
Here's hoping Elliot goes in to see Roko and helps her get out of the 'face washing loop' she's in.
Ding, ding, ding!  Give them a cigar!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 24 Mar 2019, 21:23
So it's considered awkward to see a robot naked. That says they're not simply treated as equal to organics, they're treated like organics.

Or is it just respecting their wishes? Momo wore a towel out of the shower even around a close female friend.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 24 Mar 2019, 21:29
Yeah, we could discuss the implications of AI and clothing.

Or we could talk about the fact that Roko seems to be suffering a breakdown, to the point where she's willing to start disfiguring herself!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: theMarc on 24 Mar 2019, 22:17
Roko, that's not how soap works.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: Wired on 24 Mar 2019, 22:31
After reading the last week's thread, with all it's guesses... Just wanted to stop by and say I'm 99% certain what Jeph is trying to convey is that Roko is going through a kind of dissociation. The umbrella of dissociation is quite wide; and even fits 'regular' ol' PTSD under it(though this was already covered via Bubbles). She doesn't feel integrated with her body. She is depersonalized. (comic=3914, 3919, 3948, 3952, 3953, 3960, 3965, 3966). Now it's not certain if Robots in this universe are able to experience this, so I'll hang on to my hat - but I wanted to say I deeply appreciate the route this is seemingly taking.

If this is right - Dissociation is one of the most 'weird' and undiscussed mental illnesses and I'm glad someone, somewhere is tackling it and especially someone with reach. I have a strong desire to see how this plays out. Thank you, Jeph.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: Tova on 24 Mar 2019, 22:47
Yeah, we could discuss the implications of AI and clothing.

Or we could talk about the fact that Roko seems to be suffering a breakdown, to the point where she's willing to start disfiguring herself!

Or both, even.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: mercykills on 24 Mar 2019, 23:22
Yep! I'm with Elliot here. Once my friend starts talking about disfiguring themselves, nakkies or no-fucking-nakkies, I'm kicking in doors.

But, seriously, poor Roko. :( I feel so bad for her.

Hmmm...I remember Beeps said she never got to the point to where she felt "right" in her second body and she needed to get a third to be alright. I wonder if the insurance that paid for Roko's body takes such a thing into account and offers a "come back in, within 30/60/90 days and you can swap into another" type deal?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: Mr Intrepid on 24 Mar 2019, 23:51
And Melon isn't acting in her regular off the wall self in this strip. By any definition of the word, she's trying to talk Roko down from the edge.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: cybersmurf on 25 Mar 2019, 00:10
As much as AIs seem to be able to just go into a new body whenever they desire, getting one that looks the same seems to be harder, especially if they were to change it involuntarily.

I think, personally I can to a very little extent feel what Roko is going through. My experience has nothing to do with dissociation, but I guess moving to a new apartment may feel somewhat similar. It may take a while to feel at home, or that feeling may never come. Especially if it wasn't really your choice to move in the first place.

Coupled with the sensorium upgrade, the new body really may feel different. not much, but subtly, which makes it harder in my opinion.

I think we now see the side of Melon that makes her Roko's friend. Although she may be weird as hell, she is a good person underneath that... mess of a fruit salad.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: BenRG on 25 Mar 2019, 00:11
Oh poor Roko! This is one of the really bad 'downs' for her isn't it? So bad  that she's self-harming, maybe even borderline suicidal? Thankfully, she has friends there so she doesn't have to cope with this meltdown alone. That said, I can see a scene coming where she is in a three-way hug and tells Elliot and Melon that she wishes she could cry.

And Melon isn't acting in her regular off the wall self in this strip. By any definition of the word, she's trying to talk Roko down from the edge.

Melon may be weird and whimsical but even she has an awareness of when someone's behaviour has become anomalous and alarming.

Yeah, we could discuss the implications of AI and clothing.

Or we could talk about the fact that Roko seems to be suffering a breakdown, to the point where she's willing to start disfiguring herself!

Elliot is the kind of guy who always is concerned with others' dignity and agency. He also is the sort of guy who would be very easily embarrassed by seeing someone naked, human or synthetic. The nudity taboo is a real and powerful thing, you know! :-P
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: Scarlet Manuka on 25 Mar 2019, 01:17
(now posting in the correct thread)

I do like that we're exploring more of Roko's issues with her new body, and I'm not qualified to talk about how realistic her progression is. So perhaps others here can comment: To me the only part that doesn't seem plausible is Roko calling for a vegetable peeler so soon after the "melon baller" incident. Opinions?

Though if that turns out to be a setup to drive some character growth for Melon as well, putting her in the responsible caretaker role with respect to Roko rather than the other way around, I'm happy to let it slide. Sometimes we have to make a few sacrifices to get the plot moving in the right direction, and it does seem like a tailor-made opportunity for Melon to finally succeed in making a relevant logical connection and progress beyond being mostly a comic relief sidekick.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: Drunken Old Man on 25 Mar 2019, 01:24
Jesus, poor Roko.  It's really Melon's plaintive attempt to understand what's happening that really hits me though.

Fine, I am beaten. Jeph wins.  If Spookybot can help with this, bring them on.  You'll hear nary a critical word from me as long as they're helping Roko.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: cybersmurf on 25 Mar 2019, 02:26
I do like that we're exploring more of Roko's issues with her new body, and I'm not qualified to talk about how realistic her progression is. So perhaps others here can comment: To me the only part that doesn't seem plausible is Roko calling for a vegetable peeler so soon after the "melon baller" incident. Opinions?

Negative feedback loop disregarding the actual consequences.

Quite often mental issues let humans disregard rational thoughts. That's why it's so hard for some people to understand the scope of depression, especially for some follow up issues.

In this very case a "paperclip reboot" may get rid of the immediate loop, but the underlying problem still remains.

my opinion, and that's my personal opinion and thus may be far from any applicability: maybe it would help Roko doing a routine she had in the past with her new body. Do something she knows how it should feel, and feel the differences to get a feeling for the new body. Might work if she was "doesn't feel like my body yet", but seeing her face she knows should be hers but doesn't feel like hers anymore most likely is something different entirely.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: JoeCovenant on 25 Mar 2019, 02:47
SOLUTION!


Small Ad.

WANTED: Roko old chassis type.
Will SWAP for SPARKLING NEW - UP TO DATE - UBER CHASSIS.
Reason: Dysphoria.

ACT NOW BEFORE THIS CHANCE IN A LIFETIME VANISHES!


(Too easy???)

Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: BenRG on 25 Mar 2019, 03:17
SOLUTION!


Small Ad.

WANTED: Roko old chassis type.
Will SWAP for SPARKLING NEW - UP TO DATE - UBER CHASSIS.
Reason: Dysphoria.

ACT NOW BEFORE THIS CHANCE IN A LIFETIME VANISHES!


(Too easy???)

Yes, too easy. In-universe, Roko will still subconsciously know that it isn't her chassis and the problems will persist. IRL, I suspect that Jeph wants to have a character who is dealing with intermittent bursts of anxiety and other mental health issues (somewhat like what he has had to live with), so I doubt that there will be any miracle cures.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: Gyrre on 25 Mar 2019, 03:21
Yeah, we could discuss the implications of AI and clothing.

Or we could talk about the fact that Roko seems to be suffering a breakdown, to the point where she's willing to start disfiguring herself!

Or both, even.
I'm mad at myself for hearing that as Snagglepuss's voice when I read it.
EDIT: fixing typo
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: Y on 25 Mar 2019, 03:50
So it's considered awkward to see a robot naked. That says they're not simply treated as equal to organics, they're treated like organics.

Or is it just respecting their wishes? Momo wore a towel out of the shower even around a close female friend.

I suppose that unless you're nudist, you don't want to be seen naked by your friends perhaps depending on gender unless they're naked too.

Also this being a comic means they have to do the same unrealistic thing as they do in movies: covering up after sex so it's not on camera.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: Tova on 25 Mar 2019, 04:00
Well, if any AI in QC is going to be self-conscious about being seen naked, it's going to be Roko, right?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: shanejayell on 25 Mar 2019, 07:07
Called it.

One wonders why Roko wasn't referred to a AI therapist as a precaution once the body switch happened. These sort of issues can't be uncommon....
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: traroth on 25 Mar 2019, 07:41
I'm starting to think Roko would have been better of with a totally different chassis, rather than that similar-but-still-slightly-different one.

Hopefully, tomorrow's comic will not be Faye and Bubbles assessing the damage Roko inflicted to herself...
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 25 Mar 2019, 07:58
Elliot is the kind of guy who always is concerned with others' dignity and agency. He also is the sort of guy who would be very easily embarrassed by seeing someone naked, human or synthetic. The nudity taboo is a real and powerful thing, you know! :-P

I would rather have a moment of temporary embarrassment than the permanent horror of seeing someone taking a vegetable peeler to their own face.


What we need to remember about Roko as well is that her shifting to a chassis wasn't her choice. One moment she's just had a nice conversation with her friends, the next she's woken up and been told that her body has been crushed beyond repair, but hey that's okay, there's a shiny new chassis that covered by the other guy's insurance.

When an AI changes their chassis, they have a choice about it. It may take a while to get the settings right and as Beepatrice said, she didn't feel comfortable in her second chassis, but she felt much better in her third. But Roko never had that choice and in fact was told that her old model was now out of production, that's just pulling the rug out from under her again and again. She's never had the time to process what happened to her, to adapt and to make a decision for herself. Instead she was told "Here's chassis type A and here's type B. They're pretty much the same except B has a butt emblem", that's not a choice.

Just by comparison when someone loses a limb, they go through intensive psychological counselling to help them deal with the loss of the limb and to prepare them for the prosthetic they could end up getting. You have someone going from having a healthy limb, to a bloody and bandaged stump, to a healed end to where their limb used to be, to, depending on the model of the prosthetic which could be a claw to a lifelike but still fake replacement. That is a lot of mental trauma to work through and a lot of time to get to a place where healing can begin. And from what I can see, Roko didn't get that.

From what I've seen of the last major AI storylines (Bubbles' PTSD and Roko's dissociation), I believe Jeph is trying to say that although AI can be and are far more advanced than us in many way, their treatment of mental illness is almost medieval.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: Case on 25 Mar 2019, 08:23
(now posting in the correct thread)

I do like that we're exploring more of Roko's issues with her new body, and I'm not qualified to talk about how realistic her progression is. So perhaps others here can comment: To me the only part that doesn't seem plausible is Roko calling for a vegetable peeler so soon after the "melon baller" incident. Opinions?

I've heard of a woman suffering quite severe OCD who used household cleaner on her throat. Gave a nice, detailed account of what that did to her mucous membranes (you really don't want to know) Read about another who effectively sandpapered his skin.

That's a) OCD, not body-dysphoria and b) Very very extreme cases - several classes above the OCD I experienced. Also, IIRC, both were in their late 30s/40s and therapy-resistant, which is, again, rather rare.

But yes, comparable shit is not unheard of in humans.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: OldGoat on 25 Mar 2019, 08:25
Called it.

One wonders why Roko wasn't referred to a AI therapist as a precaution once the body switch happened. These sort of issues can't be uncommon....
Common enough that there's a known range of reactions as Roko's is unusually intense.  Quoth Lemon, "You've been traumatized.  Give it a few days, and if you still don't feel any different, we can discuss further therapeutic options." (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3914)

Melon ballers and vegetable peelers, that's a lot of kitchen gadgetry for someone who doesn't eat.  Did a previous tenant leave it behind, or is collecting stuff like that another of Roko's hobbies?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: brasca on 25 Mar 2019, 08:31
So it's considered awkward to see a robot naked. That says they're not simply treated as equal to organics, they're treated like organics.

Or is it just respecting their wishes? Momo wore a towel out of the shower even around a close female friend.

Well Roko’s chassis has nipples so there’s some anatomical correctness.  I don’t think AIs are required to wear clothes, but they may be programmed with a sense that a naked AI with the features of a Barbie doll would be disturbing so they dress for the sake of convention.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: cybersmurf on 25 Mar 2019, 09:22
I'm starting to think Roko would have been better of with a totally different chassis, rather than that similar-but-still-slightly-different one.

Hopefully, tomorrow's comic will not be Faye and Bubbles assessing the damage Roko inflicted to herself...

Been thinking about that too. To this point, this is only the second similar chassis swap in all of QC - the other one being Pintsize. And let's be honest: that bugger wouldn't care much about what his chassis would look like.

And if Roko actually goes down this path, she'll find a reason for a new body. let's hope she won't be obsessed with switching bodies then - that's something I can imagine AIs may have a problem with.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: Tyr on 25 Mar 2019, 10:51
I just had the image of Roko making a deliberate scar on the dermal. Self-harm done in a mirror to FORCE her mind to recognize this as her face.

"That's my scar on my face. It's Mine."
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 25 Mar 2019, 11:35
I just had the image of Roko making a deliberate scar on the dermal. Self-harm done in a mirror to FORCE her mind to recognize this as her face.

"That's my scar on my face. It's Mine."

My worry would be that Roko wouldn't stop with just one scar.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 25 Mar 2019, 12:58
After reading the last week's thread, with all it's guesses... Just wanted to stop by and say I'm 99% certain what Jeph is trying to convey is that Roko is going through a kind of dissociation. The umbrella of dissociation is quite wide; and even fits 'regular' ol' PTSD under it(though this was already covered via Bubbles). She doesn't feel integrated with her body. She is depersonalized. (comic=3914, 3919, 3948, 3952, 3953, 3960, 3965, 3966). Now it's not certain if Robots in this universe are able to experience this, so I'll hang on to my hat - but I wanted to say I deeply appreciate the route this is seemingly taking.

If this is right - Dissociation is one of the most 'weird' and undiscussed mental illnesses and I'm glad someone, somewhere is tackling it and especially someone with reach. I have a strong desire to see how this plays out. Thank you, Jeph.

Welcome, new person!

One of the most undiscussed, and also one of the sneakiest. When you're motionless on top of a pile of laundry for a week it's easy to figure out you're depressed. When you don't know you've done something, you don't know that there's an issue.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: BlueAmaranth on 25 Mar 2019, 13:22
Roko referring to her new chassis's face as "this face" instead of "my face" reminds me a bit of something that can happen in humans after brain trauma, where the patient is convinced that a body part doesn't belong to them. They might, for example, be convinced that there's someone else's leg in their bed with them and try to push it out of the bed. Similarly there are humans who understand that the offending limb is attached to their body, but feel profoundly that it's "wrong" for that limb to be there and will avidly pursue amputation.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: Cheetaur on 25 Mar 2019, 15:57
Poor Roko, she gets crushed now she cannot see herself behind what she thinks is a mask. :(
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: Rincewind on 25 Mar 2019, 17:40
Instead of a scar to mark the new face as her own, maybe she could be persuaded to try a piercing, like Claire's perhaps.  She might find talking to Claire helpful, as one commenter mentioned earlier.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: Tova on 25 Mar 2019, 18:42
Quote
“I was playing football at school,” Killick wrote in an email. “For some reason I looked down at my hands and my mind said, ‘They are not yours.’ I just started screaming and running in every direction in absolute horrendous fear.”

When he was only a few months old, Killick’s house was destroyed by a V2 rocket and he was rescued from beneath the rubble after being missing for two days. He subsequently endured a childhood of extreme physical and psychological abuse from both his parents and grandparents, precipitating (according to psychologists now) the disorder that still plays a large part in his life.

Depersonalisation disorder: the condition you’ve never heard of that affects millions  (https://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/sep/04/depersonalisation-disorder-the-condition-youve-never-heard-of-that-affects-millions)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: mercykills on 25 Mar 2019, 19:41
Och! My heart is breaking.

Every time I re-read the first panel, with every "I'm sorry.", I just feel more and more cracking inside. :(

God damn. There are no words.......
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: Gyrre on 25 Mar 2019, 20:41
Me thinks Elliot has prior experience in talking someone down from an anxiety/dissociative spiral.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: Milayna on 25 Mar 2019, 20:47
I want to say something but I am not good enough at communicating, and too reserved, to figure out how to put it into words.

agggghhhhhhhhhhnnnnnnnnn feelings
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: Mr Intrepid on 25 Mar 2019, 20:53
Me thinks Elliot has prior experience in talking someone down from an anxiety/dissociative spiral.
Elliot works at the Horrible Revelation.  So talking someone down to defuse a situation is something he does on a regular basis.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: St.Clair on 25 Mar 2019, 21:29
Me thinks Elliot has prior experience in talking someone down from an anxiety/dissociative spiral.
Elliot works at the Horrible Revelation.  So talking someone down to defuse a situation is something he does on a regular basis.

Yup.  I imagine most of his experience is with people who aren't in their right mind because of alcohol or other drugs (Bad Trip, Dude), but a lot of the same skills carry over.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: JohnTheWysard on 25 Mar 2019, 22:38
As I was walkin' round Cambridge City,
'bout the hour of twelve at night
There I saw a fair pretty robot
Cutting her bangs by candlelight.
She had twenty, eighteen, sixteen, fourteen
Twelve ten eight six four two none;
Nineteen, seventeen, fifteen, thirteen
'leven, nine seven five three and one.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: cybersmurf on 25 Mar 2019, 23:38
Me thinks Elliot has prior experience in talking someone down from an anxiety/dissociative spiral.
Elliot works at the Horrible Revelation.  So talking someone down to defuse a situation is something he does on a regular basis.

Yeah, sounds a lot like de-escalation to me. Mostly aggression, with a bit of generally calming people down.
Let's hope Roko finds help before she has to pay for repairs or a new chassis.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: BenRG on 26 Mar 2019, 00:23
It occurs to me that Melon isn't used to being the sensible one and it is a new and startling experience for her. Everything that's happened since Roko's accident has been shocking and frightening for her and I wonder if it will ultimately change her.

Meanwhile, Roko is continuing to demonstrate syptoms from the playbook of traumatic psychological side-effects. Right now, it's the "this is all my fault for being weak" part. I'm glad that Elliot seems to have some experience with this issue and knows how to refocus someone's mind on something other than the mad loop of feelings in their brains. That said, I really do wonder if Roko is going to be safe to leave on her own tonight.

"But then the mirrors... I didn't look right..." is heartbreaking really. This is something that won't go away soon and I do agree with what some on the Subreddit have sad about this reminding them of body image disorders like anorexia. Roko is going to be able to function mostly-normally and then she'll have a sudden surge and really need help to stop herself self-harming.

Finally... I wonder if Melon really does know what the next number will be? She's not demonstrated brilliant pattern-recognition skills in the past!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: TRenn on 26 Mar 2019, 01:08
While I'm sure Roko doesn't object to Melon's attempts to be helpful, I have to wonder if it isn't just a little bit problematic. Since Roko's issue is that she doesn't "feel like herself," the fact that Melon isn't acting 100 percent like herself either might be a distraction (and not a good distraction).

So in panel 4, I'm imagining Roko thinking "THERE is our adorable little cloudcookoolander. Never change, Melon."
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: Tai Fanboi on 26 Mar 2019, 04:17
Instead of a scar to mark the new face as her own, maybe she could be persuaded to try a piercing, like Claire's perhaps.  She might find talking to Claire helpful, as one commenter mentioned earlier.

Perhaps Skull-Master, Master of Skulls has a nice spray that would be right up her alley.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: Shjade on 26 Mar 2019, 04:22
I have this sinking feeling that Roko and Elliot's relationship* is going to have some dips that won't be satisfying for either of them. =x

*Not referring to romance.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: BenRG on 26 Mar 2019, 04:46
Instead of a scar to mark the new face as her own, maybe she could be persuaded to try a piercing, like Claire's perhaps.  She might find talking to Claire helpful, as one commenter mentioned earlier.

Perhaps Skull-Master, Master of Skulls has a nice spray that would be right up her alley.

A the time of the body-change, I suggested (https://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,34308.msg1419251.html#msg1419251) that Roko commission Sam to change the 'PG' logo on her butt (standing for 'Philomena-G') to 'RB' for 'Roko Basilisk'. It just seemed like a nice touch and a way of psychologically establishing ownership of the chassis.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: cybersmurf on 26 Mar 2019, 05:27
Finally... I wonder if Melon really does know what the next number will be? She's not demonstrated brilliant pattern-recognition skills in the past!

Also, numbers just are an abstract concept (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3717).
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 26 Mar 2019, 05:31
I'm wondering though if making changes to the chassis would accomplish anything. There's a possibility that Roko could look in the mirror and just see a stranger looking back, this time with possibly piercings or any other such modification.

It seems to me that Roko's best course right now might be to engage in therapy. Which is easier said than done. Yes, there are AI support groups but that's pretty much AI sharing their experiences among humans, but I don't know if they would be equipped to deal with this kind of dissociation, or at least to the level where Roko was looking to damage herself. Likewise, while a human therapist might be able to help in some way, it would still be out of their purview.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: A small perverse otter on 26 Mar 2019, 06:29
As I was walkin' round Cambridge City,
'bout the hour of twelve at night
There I saw a fair pretty robot
Cutting her bangs by candlelight.
She had twenty, eighteen, sixteen, fourteen
Twelve ten eight six four two none;
Nineteen, seventeen, fifteen, thirteen
'leven, nine seven five three and one.
Yeah, but the difference is that when they come back to Cambrdige City, the AI will still be a 'pretty fair robot'. In the original, she's gone because she's aged along with him.

(Also, I think I'd modify l. 3-4 to read "There I saw a purple robot // Cutting her hairs by candlelight".)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: shanejayell on 26 Mar 2019, 07:08
Well, glad Roko didn't do herself actual damage...  :-o
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 26 Mar 2019, 09:28
While I'm sure Roko doesn't object to Melon's attempts to be helpful, I have to wonder if it isn't just a little bit problematic. Since Roko's issue is that she doesn't "feel like herself," the fact that Melon isn't acting 100 percent like herself either might be a distraction (and not a good distraction).

So in panel 4, I'm imagining Roko thinking "THERE is our adorable little cloudcookoolander. Never change, Melon."

What if that's exactly what Melon had in mind? What if she's doing the same thing as Elliot, offering Roko a predictable and orderly connection with the here-and-now?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: A small perverse otter on 26 Mar 2019, 13:08
Melon appears to be a scatterbrained airhead -- but I wonder how much of that is obfuscation. She has a really good sense of what to do in an emergency, and she only does ridiculous things when it doesn't matter. Could it be that she's a clown, not an airhead?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: Tova on 26 Mar 2019, 13:21
If only the consequences of real-life trauma could be resolved as simply as getting a new piercing or butt emblem...

Roko will need to investigate therapy options, as Lemon suggested.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: Thrillho on 26 Mar 2019, 14:10
After reading the last week's thread, with all it's guesses... Just wanted to stop by and say I'm 99% certain what Jeph is trying to convey is that Roko is going through a kind of dissociation. The umbrella of dissociation is quite wide; and even fits 'regular' ol' PTSD under it(though this was already covered via Bubbles). She doesn't feel integrated with her body. She is depersonalized. (comic=3914, 3919, 3948, 3952, 3953, 3960, 3965, 3966). Now it's not certain if Robots in this universe are able to experience this, so I'll hang on to my hat - but I wanted to say I deeply appreciate the route this is seemingly taking.

If this is right - Dissociation is one of the most 'weird' and undiscussed mental illnesses and I'm glad someone, somewhere is tackling it and especially someone with reach. I have a strong desire to see how this plays out. Thank you, Jeph.

Hey! One of my partners gets dissociative seizures sometimes as a symptom of her PTSD. Thanks for being the person that posted about this, I didn't even consider it.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: cybersmurf on 26 Mar 2019, 14:13
Melon appears to be a scatterbrained airhead -- but I wonder how much of that is obfuscation. She has a really good sense of what to do in an emergency, and she only does ridiculous things when it doesn't matter. Could it be that she's a clown, not an airhead?

obfuscation? not so much. careless? maybe sllightly. carefree? definetly.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 26 Mar 2019, 14:18
>Could it be that she's a clown, not an airhead?

I was just reading about how teams can stay together. I think it was in the context of Mars missions. The researchers concluded from experiments that it's critical for group cohesion and effectiveness to have someone in the clown role.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: VolatileSky on 26 Mar 2019, 17:59

I think we now see the side of Melon that makes her Roko's friend. Although she may be weird as hell, she is a good person underneath that... mess of a fruit salad.

I think melon isn't being given enough credit. I've known a few, and am myself, prone to defaulting to our dominant personality traits as a form of social armour. I generally come off as incredibly abrasive and unfriendly with no interest in anyone, while others I've known are irreverent or get rid of the personal filter and sound/act like melon. The thing is they are not unintelligent, or lacking self awareness of how they/we are, but it is our form of coping and enabling us to at least interact with others. What's touching about melon in this strip, is that she very much is self aware of "how she is", and is framing her concern for her friend as best as she can, in a way that might be able to also get roko to come out.

I had one girl do this to me a couple times, but the more light hearted story of one time was in the context of a joke - I understood they have comprehension issues, and would get me to do ridiculous shit to help her "understand". The one that sticks out is me trying to explain how to use a teacup on a nipple piercing with salt water to soak it. Ended with me holding two teacups to my chest while they finally lost it and burst out laughing.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: St.Clair on 26 Mar 2019, 19:55
new comic!

and the mystery of the kitchen gadgetry is solved.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: TV4Fun on 26 Mar 2019, 20:01
I hope Melon doesn't try to turn the whole universe into paperclips (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Paperclips).
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: Corvid on 26 Mar 2019, 20:02
I keep forgetting Melon and Roko aren't actually roommates
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: shanejayell on 26 Mar 2019, 20:03
Don't worry, Roko. I'm a normal human with drawers of kitchen stuff I don't use...
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: Red_Scare on 26 Mar 2019, 20:03
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I can see this being a pretty solid parallel with someone who's had facial reconstructive surgery after a brutal accident.

Imagine going through an extremely painful event, then go for long periods without even being able to see your face (whether due to bandages or simply being unconscious), then your body has fully recovered from the process and they let you go.

You'll feel relatively fine, physically, but then you look in the mirror and there's a face that looks almost like yours, but that "almost" is what makes it uncanny, it's just different enough to look off. It's like you're looking at an imperfect doppelganger of yourself. Of course you're gonna feel an urge to "fix" it, but trying to fix it will only make it worse.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: War Sparrow on 26 Mar 2019, 20:13
New Comic.

I know folk like the romance, and drama and what have you, and that's cool! But personally, I think QC is strongest when it focuses on friendship, and people just..being there for each other, and helping each other be better, or heal, or what have you.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: Penquin47 on 26 Mar 2019, 20:20
Isn't having an unofficial career as a counselor supposed to be the bartender's thing, not the bouncer's?  :D
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: Gyrre on 26 Mar 2019, 21:01
So it's considered awkward to see a robot naked. That says they're not simply treated as equal to organics, they're treated like organics.

Or is it just respecting their wishes? Momo wore a towel out of the shower even around a close female friend.

Well Roko’s chassis has nipples so there’s some anatomical correctness.  I don’t think AIs are required to wear clothes, but they may be programmed with a sense that a naked AI with the features of a Barbie doll would be disturbing so they dress for the sake of convention.

Wait, what?
When was it established her new chassis had nipples?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: ANeM on 26 Mar 2019, 21:22
Congratulations Roko, you now have a human friend who lives in close proximity that you could make bread for without it being unexpected or weird. Those cooking utensils are a self fulfilling prophecy.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: Mr Intrepid on 26 Mar 2019, 21:32
"It was a lie and I knew it".  Roko seems to have a issue with her identity as an AI.  It looks like she doesnt want be seen as an other.  She has a deep seated need to be accepted by humans,  hence the cooking gear.  Although Melon's roommate, we've seen,  cooks up things (non-edible) for her.  And, one would assume,  AIs could be employed in the food service industry.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: alc40 on 26 Mar 2019, 21:33
Wait, what?
When was it established her new chassis had nipples?
https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3914
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: Gyrre on 26 Mar 2019, 23:37
Wait, what?
When was it established her new chassis had nipples?
https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3914
Oh.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: Tyr on 26 Mar 2019, 23:53
Congratulations Roko, you now have a human friend who lives in close proximity that you could make bread for without it being unexpected or weird. Those cooking utensils are a self fulfilling prophecy.
Not to mention Faye and Clinton, who would probably react favorably to a 'hey, I wish to fabricate and insert nutrition into some organics. Please join me so as to ensure I create something edible, if not delicious, and that I do not waste ingredients." 

Faye's struggling to make ends meet. Clinton is a college student. Both would appreciate a free meal or three a week, if Roko can afford it.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: BenRG on 27 Mar 2019, 00:29
I've said as far back as the night Roko and O'Malley got drunk together that I think she's very isolated and lonely. Today's strip just re-emphasises in my mind that Roko desperately wants friends and connections, especially with humans and, somehow, her extremely human-like quirks only builds on this. This is another flavour of the synthetic in Jeph's universe: The synthetic woman who, on a certain level, feels more human than synthetic in her own mind and wants to be part of the human community.

My heart breaks for Melon though. She's used to Roko being strong and the one who helps her, not the other way around. I've said before that there is a childlike aspect about her and I think we're seeing it here. I draw parallels with pre-teen children whose parents need care themselves and the degree to which this undermines their own lives.

Congratulations Roko, you now have a human friend who lives in close proximity that you could make bread for without it being unexpected or weird. Those cooking utensils are a self fulfilling prophecy.

Not to mention Faye and Clinton, who would probably react favorably to a 'hey, I wish to fabricate and insert nutrition into some organics. Please join me so as to ensure I create something edible, if not delicious, and that I do not waste ingredients." 

I do think that a dinner party at Roko's is likely to happen at some point in the future.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: traroth on 27 Mar 2019, 03:14
The part about cooking implements and human friends seems to show Roko's issues might not be as new as we thought...

Melon's face in the first panel is priceless. She's really sweet, even she has a really distant relation with reality.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: Meander on 27 Mar 2019, 03:26
Now that the utensil issue is settled...

How does Melon pay rent?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: BenRG on 27 Mar 2019, 03:31
How does Melon pay rent?

She has a job - She plays the victim in a scorpion pit in a Chamber of Horrors show somewhere.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: traroth on 27 Mar 2019, 07:53
How does Melon pay rent?

She has a job - She plays the victim in a scorpion pit in a Chamber of Horrors show somewhere.

...or something even more disturbing.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: OldGoat on 27 Mar 2019, 09:37
Isn't having an unofficial career as a counselor supposed to be the bartender's thing, not the bouncer's?  :D
Taking it back a layer, there are official counselors but cops are often called upon to be unofficial or even semi-official counselors.  (After all, a bouncer is a business establishment's internal policeperson.)

In that, Roko and Elliot have much in common.  I hope Jeph makes them an item.  She needs a buffet-my-bottom-with-bread-in-bed buddy and while he may not share that particular kink, he's certainly not put off by it.*


*I know, it's shipping, but it's sufficiently amusing I think to justify a waiver.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: Thrillho on 27 Mar 2019, 13:44
The shipping rule is in place for a reason, but honestly Roko really should be with a baker for life. The things they would bake for her, and in such shapes...
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 27 Mar 2019, 15:28
Buh-buh-buh-bread?

(https://i.imgur.com/JoAJBI7.jpg)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 27 Mar 2019, 17:13
It's... It's looking at me...
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: shanejayell on 27 Mar 2019, 19:49
Hey, Spookybot! *lol*
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: Mr Intrepid on 27 Mar 2019, 19:54
Yup, Spookybot.  Generally, they're a bunch of jerks, but I'm kinda glad they're monitoring Roko.  I wonder if Roko will be visited in her sleep?

Also, it would seem they are gendered?
Also,  Racoons?  They occupy a real space in the QC universe?
Also,  Azothoth?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: Penquin47 on 27 Mar 2019, 20:02
Where are you getting gendering?  They use plural pronouns, dress ambiguously...

Azathoth is their dog.  Or possibly dogs?  I don't remember for sure if they have more than one.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: War Sparrow on 27 Mar 2019, 20:05
Azothoth.
I see what Jeph did there.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: Mr Intrepid on 27 Mar 2019, 21:40
Where are you getting gendering?  They use plural pronouns, dress ambiguously...

Azathoth is their dog.  Or possibly dogs?  I don't remember for sure if they have more than one.
I was looking at the shorts and crop top on the right.  Or did I badly misread that?  If so, I apologize if I offended.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: Corvid on 27 Mar 2019, 21:50
nothing gendered about a crop top and shorts, anyone can totally rock it!!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 27 Mar 2019, 22:09
Raccoons have appeared in several strips.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: cybersmurf on 28 Mar 2019, 00:12
Raccoons have appeared in several strips.

And talked about being fried.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: BenRG on 28 Mar 2019, 00:27
Melon is so sweet in this strip; a child wanting reassurance but still determined to help if she can. I really think that Roko has developed an appreciation for her that she's never had before. There is a strength to that wacky cloudcuckoolander when it comes to her friend! I also think it greatly reassures Roko to know that she does have friends, not just acquaintances, nearby in her time of need.

There's actually a lot of meat to panel 6 and how Jeph shows the Spookybot Nodes. For the first time, we see them acting as individuals or at least as not being of one mind. I'm wondering if this is indicating they have a degree of independence or whether or not we're seeing different aspects of Spookybot debating on the next step. Sort of a literal Id, Ego and Superego or something like that.

I'm also looking at the stars outside the window. Is it night wherever they are, or are they on a shielded orbital of some kind? Fascinating to speculate!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: cybersmurf on 28 Mar 2019, 01:49
Let's be honest - we all have that one wacky friend. And for Roko that's Melon.
And for Marten? ... in the beginning it probably was Faye, but I guess for him it's the inverted rule. he probably has that one mundane friend, somewhere.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: traroth on 28 Mar 2019, 03:40

I'm also looking at the stars outside the window. Is it night wherever they are, or are they on a shielded orbital of some kind? Fascinating to speculate!

A space station with raccoons... That would be Marvelous!

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: Tai Fanboi on 28 Mar 2019, 04:48
Can I just say Spookybots shelf is huuuuuuge.  I'm assuming it's some sort of 2 band, black powder musket on that shelf, most common would be the Enfield Navy 2 band pattern.  Could be a Springfield trapdoor variant but hard to tell from such a small image.  Regardless the Enfield would come in around 55 inches and depending on Springfield Variant, could be the cadet model with a Buffington rear sight, that would come in around 49 inches.  Given what we know about Spookybot though, for some reason I feel the Enfield would be more fitting.  Seems to me Spookybot would have something that was more involved in history and conflict for some reason, I don't even know why I go there, just a feeling.  Considering the Enfield was used in British Colonial expansion, and then also by both sides in the American Civil War it does have some history behind it...

Sorry...  Small arms and the like is one of the fields I've always been interested and researching.  Back to your normally scheduled QC Strip, already in progress.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: Taevyr on 28 Mar 2019, 05:25
Anyone else notice that Spookybot's speech bubbles are, well, actual bubbles in the last panel, instead of the rectangular ones he/she and other AI normally have?

Mistake by Jeph, or could there be more behind it?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: cybersmurf on 28 Mar 2019, 05:31
Sorry...  Small arms and the like is one of the fields I've always been interested and researching.  Back to your normally scheduled QC Strip, already in progress.

To each their own.

And you might be right, spookybutt being interested in conflict and how it was resolved is quite the possibility. As they say they are too powerful to have what we call morals, it's probably a fitting research subject. Pair it with History, and add a dash of intentional anachronism, et viola - we arrive at this point.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: BenRG on 28 Mar 2019, 05:32
Anyone else notice that Spookybot's speech bubbles are, well, actual bubbles in the last panel, instead of the rectangular ones he/she and other AI normally have?

Mistake by Jeph, or could there be more behind it?

IIRC, Spookybot has has human-style speech bubbles more often than rectangular robotic ones. It's just another reminder of how very advanced they are.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: cybersmurf on 28 Mar 2019, 08:01
Anyone else notice that Spookybot's speech bubbles are, well, actual bubbles in the last panel, instead of the rectangular ones he/she and other AI normally have?

Mistake by Jeph, or could there be more behind it?

IIRC, Spookybot has has human-style speech bubbles more often than rectangular robotic ones. It's just another reminder of how very advanced they are.

Are you telling me they made their own speech synthesis programs? I admit I think they'd fine tune it to their hardware, just because they can. And they were bored.

I always figured the rectangular speech bubbles had a synthetic sound, and the font just varied the degree. Thus, having round speech bubbles gave away a rather natural degree of speaking.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 28 Mar 2019, 08:58
There's actually a lot of meat to panel 6 and how Jeph shows the Spookybot Nodes. For the first time, we see them acting as individuals or at least as not being of one mind. I'm wondering if this is indicating they have a degree of independence or whether or not we're seeing different aspects of Spookybot debating on the next step. Sort of a literal Id, Ego and Superego or something like that.

I'm also looking at the stars outside the window. Is it night wherever they are, or are they on a shielded orbital of some kind? Fascinating to speculate!

When Spooky was making friends with Roko they did say they argue among themselves over things. That's part of the reason they want a friend. Someone outside the Spooky collective that they can bounce ideas off of. They don't seem to have particularly different personalities though, traditional among the 'one mind split between may bodies' trope. So it seems more an issue of what for other people are internal conversations with themselves, only actually having bodies to do the talking.

It makes me wonder if they are actually of one mind, or have some sort of wireless communication. I would image they merge and compare memories perhaps when they are recharging their bodies. That would keep difference from experience from becoming too great, and there for individual Spooky bodies from becoming independent beings. But still give reason why they would bother talking to each other at all, given that transferring information wirelessly would be faster. At least that's what I assume. It could be that Spooky is one super AI that's controlling all of their bodies at the same time, but is quirky or insane enough to want to use them like puppets to talk to themselves.

I think that Spooky's apartment we keep seeing is somewhere in or around the Northampton area. While very good at sneaking up on people there has been no sign of teleportation being a thing that's within the tech level of the QC world. It could potentially be possible that Spooky or maybe other powerful AIs have worked it out and decided to not reveal it to the public. But we  know you need a shuttle to get to space stations and back. So in the unlikely chance transporters exist, they aren't common.

The last time we saw Spooky's apartment we saw their dogs... Greyhounds or whippets I think, like Azathoth. And one of the Spookybots was dusting spare or recharging bodies. So I doubt that it's just a mental space created by Spookybot. Given these things, I theorize that either Spooky lives in the area, or more likely they saw interesting things going on in Northampton and got an apartment there, as a satellite hub for their consciousness/storage for their bodies. I suspect there are similar apartments in many places around the country or world, and they'll set up a new one when they find a place that's interesting to them.

As far as it's being dark out... It's night time. All of this was happening after people got off of work. We know Elliot works days a the bakery. Afterwards they went back to Roko's apartment to hang out some and they stayed with her a bit after her freak out to comfort her. And then Roko said she was going to recharge early... I would take that to mean it's early evening at this point. Alternately it might not be dark in Northampton but it is where Spookybot's apartment is. And they just keep recharging cubicles or something for their bodies in Northampton.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: OldGoat on 28 Mar 2019, 10:26
Sounds like Christians pondering the Trinity.  It's enough to make you turn Unitarian.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: Mordhaus on 28 Mar 2019, 14:22
(https://www.thewrap.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Screen-Shot-2014-08-01-at-2.27.42-PM.png)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: Mr Intrepid on 28 Mar 2019, 19:47
Hi Claire,  long time no see.

Buck up.  You can do this..
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: Tova on 28 Mar 2019, 20:23
Wow. Claire without glasses looks very different.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: Corvid on 28 Mar 2019, 21:09
Okay that haircut is so goddamn cute
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: Gyrre on 28 Mar 2019, 22:54
nothing gendered about a crop top and shorts, anyone can totally rock it!!

Yeah, no. Croptops are sort of like muttonchops, they only suit some people.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: Corvid on 28 Mar 2019, 23:54
I respectfully disagree, I don't think you need a particular body type to be able to pull anything off. Rocking what you're wearing is more about how confident you feel wearing it than it is what you're actually wearing. If you think you look good, people tend to agree. And those who don't? fuck 'em
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: BenRG on 29 Mar 2019, 00:05
I've got to say that today's strip is about 100% in-character for Claire! Whilst I think we've all been there in one way or another, somehow, it's very Claire that she'd spend a few minutes talking herself up before succumbing to anxiety and trying to find a way to hide. It is even more Claire that she would find a cute way to do so. I suspect that Marten genuinely does not know precisely how to react to the Clairesylis on the bed.

As for Claire's new hairdo... Well, she has said that she likes it short and there is something about the Brun-style floof poof on her head that seems in-character for her too. I'll still always remember her old hip-length hair with affection but I've got to say that I get why she might have preferred it shorter.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: Penquin47 on 29 Mar 2019, 00:12
I respectfully disagree, I don't think you need a particular body type to be able to pull anything off. Rocking what you're wearing is more about how confident you feel wearing it than it is what you're actually wearing. If you think you look good, people tend to agree. And those who don't? fuck 'em

Like pretty much anything to do with aesthetics, there are as many opinions as there are people.  I can't pull off a crop top - in large part because I don't think I can.  Many people would say that with my fat upper arms I can't wear sleeveless shirts either, and yet in the summer it takes either a really cool day or a really cute dress/shirt to get me to wear sleeves.  Because fuck 'em, I do what I want.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: cybersmurf on 29 Mar 2019, 00:50
I respectfully disagree, I don't think you need a particular body type to be able to pull anything off. Rocking what you're wearing is more about how confident you feel wearing it than it is what you're actually wearing. If you think you look good, people tend to agree. And those who don't? fuck 'em

Like pretty much anything to do with aesthetics, there are as many opinions as there are people.  I can't pull off a crop top - in large part because I don't think I can.  Many people would say that with my fat upper arms I can't wear sleeveless shirts either, and yet in the summer it takes either a really cool day or a really cute dress/shirt to get me to wear sleeves.  Because fuck 'em, I do what I want.

Pulling off a crop top is easy, otherwise they'd be a bitch to put on. Daring to put it on in the first place ain't that easy though.




As for Claire's new hairdo... Well, she has said that she likes it short and there is something about the Brun-style floof poof on her head that seems in-character for her too. I'll still always remember her old hip-length hair with affection but I've got to say that I get why she might have preferred it shorter.

I think Brun's hair is a different kind of poof, personally I suspect just stronger, thicker hair, while Claire's has more of a mind of its own.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: Thrillho on 29 Mar 2019, 00:53
Anybody can 'pull off' any clothes they wish to wear.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: Gyrre on 29 Mar 2019, 01:11
I respectfully disagree, I don't think you need a particular body type to be able to pull anything off. Rocking what you're wearing is more about how confident you feel wearing it than it is what you're actually wearing. If you think you look good, people tend to agree. And those who don't? fuck 'em
I didn't say squat about body tyrpes.
It's the accompanying head shape that messes with it. Actually, I'm not sure what my brain's logic is on that.
Example:
Just look at the cartoon X-Men Evolution. Fred Dukes would look fine in a crop top, but Logan would look weird.


Anybody can 'pull off' any clothes they wish to wear.
In the literal sense, yes, but I'd argue on hats.

I look terrible in any hat that's fashioned after 1950, and a can't wear certain colors without it literally making my skin look green (any yellow brighter than mustard yellow, any orange more saturated than ochre).

EDIT: strikethrough for uncertainty.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: Tai Fanboi on 29 Mar 2019, 04:28
Anybody can 'pull off' any clothes they wish to wear.

And it can be even more fun when you have someone else to pull'em off for you.


I kid, I kid, and i miss claire's long hair, but I definitely approve of the burrito maneuver.  I do that when my alarm goes off lately...  Stupid 90+ hour work weeks :(
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: Theta9 on 29 Mar 2019, 06:51
Anybody can 'pull off' any clothes they wish to wear.

And it can be even more fun when you have someone else to pull'em off for you.

GROUCHO FTW
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: sitnspin on 29 Mar 2019, 07:43
in the summer it takes either a really cool day or a really cute dress/shirt to get me to wear sleeves.  Because fuck 'em, I do what I want.
Sleeves are bullshit.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: cybersmurf on 29 Mar 2019, 11:03
in the summer it takes either a really cool day or a really cute dress/shirt to get me to wear sleeves.  Because fuck 'em, I do what I want.
Sleeves are bullshit.

wifebeaters FTW!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 29 Mar 2019, 13:11
in the summer it takes either a really cool day or a really cute dress/shirt to get me to wear sleeves.  Because fuck 'em, I do what I want.
Sleeves are bullshit.
Hi Marisha.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: sitnspin on 29 Mar 2019, 13:32
It's all tank tops or tee shirts with sleeves cut off for me. I worked hard for these guns, I'mma show em off.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: Stoutfellow on 29 Mar 2019, 13:41
Did anyone else start hearing Helen Reddy's voice when they hit panel two?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: OldGoat on 29 Mar 2019, 23:47
Did anyone else start hearing Helen Reddy's voice when they hit panel two?
With the last panel I could hear her singing "Leave me alone, just leave me alone..."

Poor Claire.  Unfreak her, Marty.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: Quantum Glass on 30 Mar 2019, 01:56
Oh, they're back to using human textboxes.

I'm still trying to figure out the significance of that.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: Gyrre on 01 Apr 2019, 10:55
Looks like Durian came in 1st place, with Kiwi and Peach in 2nd and 3rd.

Berry and grape came in dead last with zero votes.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: OldGoat on 01 Apr 2019, 16:07
Looks like Durian came in 1st place, with Kiwi and Peach in 2nd and 3rd.

Berry and grape came in dead last with zero votes.
My waiter buddy at my favorite Pho place was flabbergasted when this white boy ordered a durian smoothie.  Someday I'll get a chance to try the stuff in its natural form.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: hedgie on 01 Apr 2019, 19:42
Durian is, at least for me strange.  It can vary in taste between light and sweet, and something akin to how it smells, sometimes in the same mouthful. 
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: Thrudd on 02 Apr 2019, 07:34
Durian is, at least for me strange.  It can vary in taste between light and sweet, and something akin to how it smells, sometimes in the same mouthful.
Ah turpentine with just a hint of lacquer thinner and maybe some naphthalene mixed into the bouquet.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: Gyrre on 02 Apr 2019, 10:38
Durian is, at least for me strange.  It can vary in taste between light and sweet, and something akin to how it smells, sometimes in the same mouthful.
I've never tried it, and I hesitate to try to smell it (sensitive sense of smell).
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: Milayna on 02 Apr 2019, 11:09
A Filipina friend had some durian candy at a con once. Aside from her, I was the only one who could stand it. I wouldn't go out of my way for it, but it wasn't bad.

@comic I saved up my money from work to put myself through an associate's degree at community college and when I was done my dad yelled at me that I "didn't even try" because of a mistake and stomped off to pout. Marten is good people though.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: cybersmurf on 02 Apr 2019, 15:05
Marten is good people though.

To a fault, for those who are close to him. Look at how he reacted to Faye flat out telling Angus about her dad's suicide. How natural his relationship with Claire is evolving. Look at his circle of friends - Faye (as one of the more normal ones), Hanners, Emily, Claire (yes, she's more than "just" his lover), Bubbles (for whatever reason I consider her more human than robot). Personally, I don't consider anyone else "special" (maybe except Brun, but she isn't really friends with Marten)


Am I the only one, or does the Cast page need an overhaul?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: pwhodges on 02 Apr 2019, 16:10
I can't recall a time when the cast page hasn't needed an overhaul!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3966-3970 (25th-29th March, 2019)
Post by: OldGoat on 02 Apr 2019, 21:52
Am I the only one, or does the Cast page need an overhaul?
You are not the only one.  Maybe Jeph will be willing to delegate the task to one of the senior ancient old-timers who remembers all the characters from when they were just ink squiggles.