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Are you two planning on seeing it, then?
My theory::laugh: :lol: :laugh: :lol: :-D :lol:(click to show/hide)
After watching this trailer breakdown:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6dGf1s7xPE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6dGf1s7xPE)
I have a theory on the next movie regarding Rey:
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What if the evil Rey is Kylo's force cave moment? :?
What if the evil Rey is Kylo's force cave moment? :?
From what I've seen, its going to be at the very least a year, more like two or three, allowing the Resistance to build up again and for the First Order to consolidate their position. And it'll allow Rey to learn more about the Force.
(Which can only be a good thing, Rey haz books - so less Mary-Sue-ing)
No, Rey nicked em.
It's one of my favourite scenes. Fight me.
All I know is that Dark Rey is hot af.Rey as Bene Gesserit? Is Disney admitting finally that Star Wars is a rip-off of Dune? :P
At this point the fandom has so utterly sucked the joy from the main movies that I'm just ready for the SAGA to be over.This, pretty much, and not just the main movies. The misogynistic squealing from "fans" about a female lead in Rogue One was as bad as that over Rey in the trilogy movies, and it is really kind of off-putting. Oh well, at least they're not Browncoats... :P
This, pretty much, and not just the main movies. The misogynistic squealing from "fans" about a female lead in Rogue One was as bad as that over Rey in the trilogy movies, and it is really kind of off-putting. Oh well, at least they're not Browncoats... :P
That idea sounds a lot more like something a Star Wars Expanded Universe/Legends writer would come up with.
Well, when you consider that Ashoka Tano, Leia Organia-Solo and Mara Jade-Skywalker (all women as well as empowered, intelligent and having chosen and succeeded in their own llife choices) consistently rank amongst the fandom's favourite characters, then I consider the argument for sexism as highly suspect.
Well, when you consider that Ashoka Tano, Leia Organia-Solo and Mara Jade-Skywalker (all women as well as empowered, intelligent and having chosen and succeeded in their own llife choices) consistently rank amongst the fandom's favourite characters, then I consider the argument for sexism as highly suspect.
I'd be interested to know if any of them were perceived as having got the better of a male lead.
The worst aspect is that she has been presented as a fully-fledged perfect heroine with no obvious explanation of where these skills come from.Luke Skywalker jumped from crop-dusting farm-boy to ace fighter-pilot in a couple of days, with no explanation of where those skills came from, and nobody bitched about that, so I'm calling double-standards there. And when, for example, MRA group Return of Kings organised a (feeble and ineffective) boycott of The Force Awakens as "SJW propaganda", I don't believe for one moment that they were making any sort of artistic judgement of the movie's writing, so I'm calling that BS too.
The worst aspect is that she has been presented as a fully-fledged perfect heroine with no obvious explanation of where these skills come from.
Luke Skywalker jumped from crop-dusting farm-boy to ace fighter-pilot in a couple of days, with no explanation of where those skills came from, and nobody bitched about that, so I'm calling double-standards there.
And when, for example, MRA group Return of Kings organised a (feeble and ineffective) boycott of The Force Awakens as "SJW propaganda", I don't believe for one moment that they were making any sort of artistic judgement of the movie's writing, so I'm calling that BS too.
Obi-Wan, who hadn't talked to Luke in what can be assumed as years based on Luke's conversation with his uncle, even knew of Luke's renown as a pilot. Sure maybe just a bush pilot but he had to learn how to fly whereas Rey just walked into a cockpit and flew. When Finn asked her how she did that she said she didn't know. That's just bad writing. A quick sentence of "I flew garbage barges for so-and-so" could have rectified that.
There will always be asses with an axe to grind. You can't judge a group by what, by your own admission, was a tiny minority.I did not "admit" any such thing. I stated that the boycott organised by Return of Kings was ineffective. My point in referencing it was to point out that not only individuals, but organised groups, were bent out of shape by the casting of a female lead in The Force Awakens.
Its trying to formulize a film that worked 40 years ago and only now realising that the formula can't work anymore.
From what I understand about the prophecy, Anakin did bring about balance to the Force - by slaughtering the Jedi and eventually killing Palpatine, he brought balance by removing the two toxic sides that were using the Force. He brought both sides down to nothing, leaving the galaxy open to new ideas and new interpretations.Or as somebody i don't remember once commented, "Considering that the Jedi outnumber the Sith a thousand to two, wouldn't 'bringing balance to the Force' involve a lot of dead Jedi?"
I'm curious as to how Yoda and the council were "toxic".
As for Leia...? Well, there's always: "Put that thing away, you're gonna get us all killed!" Han was never dominant in that relationship, which was always fully equal with both of them saving each other many times.
It's a nice snark but, to me, the 'Balance' was always an issue of the extreme nature of both side's views: Absolute Light vs Absolute Dark. There has to be some kind of third path. Some controversial Jedi, like Qui-Gon were trying to find it.
The problem is attempting to reuse the formula simply by plugging new characters into it instead of telling an organic next logical set of stories in the saga.
The worst aspect is that she has been presented as a fully-fledged perfect heroine with no obvious explanation of where these skills come from.Luke Skywalker jumped from crop-dusting farm-boy to ace fighter-pilot in a couple of days, with no explanation of where those skills came from,
Mark Hamill is right - Star Wars fans are UPFs.? :? ?
I also recall being surprised by the level of hate against Jar-Jar back in the day. I didn't especially like him myself, but I didn't like ewoks either, and they didn't generate this much hate.
I also recall being surprised by the level of hate against Jar-Jar back in the day. I didn't especially like him myself, but I didn't like ewoks either, and they didn't generate this much hate.
The Ewoks do have the benefit of not being basically plucked from a minstrel show.
From what I understand about the prophecy, Anakin did bring about balance to the Force - by slaughtering the Jedi and eventually killing Palpatine, he brought balance by removing the two toxic sides that were using the Force. He brought both sides down to nothing, leaving the galaxy open to new ideas and new interpretations.
I also recall being surprised by the level of hate against Jar-Jar back in the day.
... but I didn't like ewoks either ...
Jar-Jar is a good example of just how odd George Lucas's approach is to story-telling, at least from a neurotypical standpoint.
The worst aspect is that she has been presented as a fully-fledged perfect heroine with no obvious explanation of where these skills come from.Luke Skywalker jumped from crop-dusting farm-boy to ace fighter-pilot in a couple of days, with no explanation of where those skills came from,
Sorry, but I disagree.
Luke's latent skills are hinted at a couple of times during IV.
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But again, this is NOT Daisy's fault. Nor anything remotely to do with that fact that Rey is female.
It's bad writing, nothing more or less.
The worst aspect is that she has been presented as a fully-fledged perfect heroine with no obvious explanation of where these skills come from.Luke Skywalker jumped from crop-dusting farm-boy to ace fighter-pilot in a couple of days, with no explanation of where those skills came from,
Sorry, but I disagree.
Luke's latent skills are hinted at a couple of times during IV.
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All true, and back in the 80s, few people bothered with Luke learning Force Pull without any instruction whatsoever, or besting the Chosen One with only the briefest rudiments of formal combat training under his belt.
But we know he was with Yoda doing nothing BUT training for what, at least a year?
But we know he was with Yoda doing nothing BUT training for what, at least a year?
We do? How do we know that? Sorry, not a hardcore fan here.
But we know he was with Yoda doing nothing BUT training for what, at least a year?
We do? How do we know that? Sorry, not a hardcore fan here.
There's a year between Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi. The general consensus is that when Luke recovered from his fight with Vader, he went back train with Yoda. Hence Luke's Jedi tricks at Jabba's palace.
But we know he was with Yoda doing nothing BUT training for what, at least a year?
We do? How do we know that? Sorry, not a hardcore fan here.
There's a year between Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi. The general consensus is that when Luke recovered from his fight with Vader, he went back train with Yoda. Hence Luke's Jedi tricks at Jabba's palace.
Luke trains some on his lonesome on Tatoine (after finding Ben's Journal(s), which wasn't originally in Shadows, I believe?),
It's a nice snark but, to me, the 'Balance' was always an issue of the extreme nature of both side's views: Absolute Light vs Absolute Dark. There has to be some kind of third path. Some controversial Jedi, like Qui-Gon were trying to find it.
I'm curious as to how Yoda and the council were "toxic".
It sounds to me like Star Wars fans are a lot more willing to interpret events in a way that makes the original films make sense than they are the new ones.
Anyway... THAT is why "Us Star Wars fans" are of the opinion that it's a totally false comparison to even attempt to give Luke and Rey the same "neither of them had any training" backstory. Luke did... lot's of it... and we always knew he did.
Anyway... THAT is why "Us Star Wars fans" are of the opinion that it's a totally false comparison to even attempt to give Luke and Rey the same "neither of them had any training" backstory. Luke did... lot's of it... and we always knew he did.
No, we didn't. That's what I'm saying.
The books are not canon. Only the recent Aftermath trilogy is canon, bridging the gap between eps 6 and 7. Not even Zahn's excellent Thrawn trilogy, a better Episode 7 than The Force Awakens could aspire to be, is canon since the new films started coming out.It's a nice snark but, to me, the 'Balance' was always an issue of the extreme nature of both side's views: Absolute Light vs Absolute Dark. There has to be some kind of third path. Some controversial Jedi, like Qui-Gon were trying to find it.I'm curious as to how Yoda and the council were "toxic".
I couldn't support the point without essentially copy-pasting the better part of several interlocking EU-trilogies....
The books are not canon. Only the recent Aftermath trilogy is canon, bridging the gap between eps 6 and 7. Not even Zahn's excellent Thrawn trilogy, a better Episode 7 than The Force Awakens could aspire to be, is canon since the new films started coming out.It's a nice snark but, to me, the 'Balance' was always an issue of the extreme nature of both side's views: Absolute Light vs Absolute Dark. There has to be some kind of third path. Some controversial Jedi, like Qui-Gon were trying to find it.I'm curious as to how Yoda and the council were "toxic".
I couldn't support the point without essentially copy-pasting the better part of several interlocking EU-trilogies....
Anyway... THAT is why "Us Star Wars fans" are of the opinion that it's a totally false comparison to even attempt to give Luke and Rey the same "neither of them had any training" backstory. Luke did... lot's of it... and we always knew he did.
No, we didn't. That's what I'm saying.
You may not have.
Others did. (Us "hardcore fans" as you put it ;) )
From what we also seen, its quite possible that some people who quite powerful in the Force don't necessarily need training in their abilities, possibly because its so natural for them, the real training from the Sith and Jedi is how to properly focus that ability.
Anyway... THAT is why "Us Star Wars fans" are of the opinion that it's a totally false comparison to even attempt to give Luke and Rey the same "neither of them had any training" backstory. Luke did... lot's of it... and we always knew he did.
No, we didn't. That's what I'm saying.
You may not have.
Others did. (Us "hardcore fans" as you put it ;) )
Yes. I know.
I am perhaps not explaining myself to you clearly.
Two films contain similar plot holes. One, you scrabble to explain. The other, you dismiss as "Bad Storytelling."
Maybe in the future, there will be enough books added to the canon to fill the plot holes in your head for you. Or maybe not, if you don't want them to.
Headcanon examples are not, no.
The books are not canon. Only the recent Aftermath trilogy is canon, bridging the gap between eps 6 and 7. Not even Zahn's excellent Thrawn trilogy, a better Episode 7 than The Force Awakens could aspire to be, is canon since the new films started coming out.It's a nice snark but, to me, the 'Balance' was always an issue of the extreme nature of both side's views: Absolute Light vs Absolute Dark. There has to be some kind of third path. Some controversial Jedi, like Qui-Gon were trying to find it.I'm curious as to how Yoda and the council were "toxic".
I couldn't support the point without essentially copy-pasting the better part of several interlocking EU-trilogies....
Headcanon examples are not, no.
And if I had only been using headcanon, I would agree with you.
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Like I said, it's not worth getting into the Rey argument. There are perfectly good reasons why, for example, Rey could stand up to Kylo in TFA, but I'm sure you're perfectly aware of them in spite of not bothering to mention them, so it's pointless to bring them up.
I'll go and enjoy The Last Skywalker when it's released. Warts and all, most likely, since they all have their warts. Even Rogue One, which I thought was marvellous.
I would be willing to concede that he should take a little longer than his normal 0.2 seconds to despatch her, due to his being shot... like, say.. 0.4 seconds.
Completely unintentional, but too amusing to fix. I can just see myself calling them The Last Skywalker and The Rise of The Jedi now. :roll:
I hope it will be a fitting conclusion! I always expect the worst, hope for the best with these things.
And I hope we don't see more of the kind of vitriol we've seen within the fanbase since TLJ, because it honestly drains me.I would be willing to concede that he should take a little longer than his normal 0.2 seconds to despatch her, due to his being shot... like, say.. 0.4 seconds.
I thought he was trying to recruit her, not dispatch her. Same as the Vader v. Luke duel in Empire. Otherwise i guess it would have been over very quickly in both cases.
You don't see why, even though she's strong in the force, that's what Sith do, and it satisfactorily explains the whole scene.
Yeah, as I've been saying... you're actively seeking out logical explanations for one set of films, and actively resisting them for another.
Think about it. That's all I ask.
See ya on the flip side of the next one.
If you're not interested in seeing the new Star War this weekend, may I interest you in something elseI actually want to see it, un-ironically, as a fan of the musical.
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Well then...Overall, it was better than I feared.
I went to see TRoS...(click to show/hide)
I really enjoyed it, a lot more so than the people online that have been poo-pooing itWhile there are valid criticisms (reylo & the plotholes), it was still enjoyable.
...Luke's climactic scene...
As I understand it, The Rule of Two is not a universal Sith rule, it is an understanding brought in by one Master at some point through the centuries after the Sith had nearly eradicated themselves with their fratricidal internecine squabbles. When you have a belief structure that states that the acquisition of supreme power through deception and force is your ultimate goal, it is unlikely that you will tolerate anyone of the same belief unless they are bound to you as a servant as an Apprentice is to their Master. To avoid self-destruction, the remaining Sith agreed that there should only be two of them at any one time.
However, Palpatine didn't follow anyone's rules except his own. The existence of the Inquisitorial Order proved that.
I find it amazing that that even needs explained?I did too when I saw Phantom Menace, but since then with Clone Wars, books, comics, etc. they took it an applied it as if it was a hard "only 2" rule which always bugged me. This is why this "retcon" interests me so much because it make more sense than just having 2 dudes ever.
I never thought the rule of two meant there were only ever two sith - hell, even the JEDI worked on a rule of two...
I took Yoda's line "always two there are, a master and an apprentice" to be reflective of the situation they were in.. maul showed up, so they had to find out if he was the master or the apprentice - IE Oh, we've got a sith here... dammit where's the other one!"
In exactly the same way that the Jedi (on the whole) head out in twos - with a master and an apprentice.
However, Palpatine didn't follow anyone's rules except his own. The existence of the Inquisitorial Order proved that.Yeah and this retcon makes it no longer a Palpatine making his own rules but part of Sith doctrine that there's only 2 Lords of the Sith. The Inquisition are not Lords of the Sith but acolytes/followers so Rule of 2 makes sense. After Maul died, Palpatine took in Dooku (who left the jedi order) until he died and then swayed Anakin over. Still only 2 Lords at any given time. However there are many Sith agents/acolytes around Palpatine or working for him then entire time. This is part of his/Sith's power. Having those underlings that help his/their main goals.