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Title: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Gyrre on 04 May 2019, 06:38
I know we're approaching 4000, but it's a better poll than any of the predictions ideas I had (wedding would win by landslide).

For more context, rockabilly country musician Garth Brooks released a rock album under the persona of Chris Gaines about a decade ago (just 4 years prior to QC launching).


As always, if I think of a better poll, I'll replace this one.

EDIT: typo fix. this not tjis
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: cesium133 on 04 May 2019, 07:55
I know we're approaching 4000, but it's a better poll than any of the predictions ideas I had (wedding would win by landslide).

For more context, rockabilly country musician Garth Brooks released a rock album under the persona of Chris Gaines about a decade ago (just 4 years prior to QC launching).


As always, if I think of a better poll, I'll replace this one.

EDIT: typo fix. this not tjis
If I'm doing my math right, 4 years prior to QC launching was 1999, which was 20 years ago.

I feel old.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: MarigoldSkye on 04 May 2019, 11:26
I know we're approaching 4000, but it's a better poll than any of the predictions ideas I had (wedding would win by landslide).

For more context, rockabilly country musician Garth Brooks released a rock album under the persona of Chris Gaines about a decade ago (just 4 years prior to QC launching).


As always, if I think of a better poll, I'll replace this one.

EDIT: typo fix. this not tjis
If I'm doing my math right, 4 years prior to QC launching was 1999, which was 20 years ago.

I feel old.

The Chris Gaines album was, indeed released in September of 1998.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Gyrre on 04 May 2019, 12:12
98? I thought it was in 99?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: MarigoldSkye on 04 May 2019, 12:45
98? I thought it was in 99?
Went back and looked again.  Guess I need glasses.  I stand corrected, it was September 28, 1999
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Gyrre on 04 May 2019, 23:45
Found some alt rock with an electric mandolin and sung with a twang.

I more prefer their stuff that's a mix of punk rock and rockabilly.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: shanejayell on 05 May 2019, 04:36
Hopefully Sven just offers congrats to the lovely couple and leaves.  :-P
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: BenRG on 05 May 2019, 05:17
Seriously, why is he obliged to do so? If Dora or Tai don't want him to leave then he has no obligation to do so.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 05 May 2019, 08:50
Shanejayell expressed a hope and did not assert an obligation.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Mr Intrepid on 05 May 2019, 20:11
New strip up.  Congrats to the new couple from Sven.  And Faye's ex meets Faye's current. 
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: shanejayell on 05 May 2019, 20:26
Shanejayell expressed a hope and did not assert an obligation.

That.

Which happened. Plus, no shit stirring from Sven. Yet.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: OldGoat on 05 May 2019, 21:07
"Who the hell taught you how to salute (https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/wbm.thumbnail/dissolve/1200/946636.jpg), Rainbow?  Straighten out that wrist and thumb!"  Sgt. Reamoutski would have kicked my ass for that.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: sidestephen on 06 May 2019, 01:23
"Call of Booty", Jeph. "Call of Booty".
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: cybersmurf on 06 May 2019, 01:35
Today I learned a new word. Until today I didn't know "to sidle" existed. Thanks, Jeph!

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Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: traroth on 06 May 2019, 02:25
The US contributed some really cool stuff to music. Country music is not one of them...
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: traroth on 06 May 2019, 02:33
"Who the hell taught you how to salute (https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/wbm.thumbnail/dissolve/1200/946636.jpg), Rainbow?  Straighten out that wrist and thumb!"  Sgt. Reamoutski would have kicked my ass for that.

It depends... Here a comparison between US military salute and french military salute...

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/82/United_States_General_Martin_Dempsey_and_French_General_Pierre_de_Villiers_saluting_%2823_April_2014%2C_cropped%29.jpg)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: BenRG on 06 May 2019, 03:42
Curious... I thought that I'd already made a comment on this one...

You know, I really feel a lot of respect for Sven here. It's clear that despite his bad qualities (which are many), he truly does care for Faye. To him, looking out for Faye and making her happy is truly the greatest thing that Bubbles can have done for him personally. Oh... and there is probably a "You're a braver being than I, soldier!" element to it too!

"Who the hell taught you how to salute (https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/wbm.thumbnail/dissolve/1200/946636.jpg), Rainbow?  Straighten out that wrist and thumb!"  Sgt. Reamoutski would have kicked my ass for that.

I'm pretty sure that the likelihood of Sven having had more than a passing acquaintance with life inside any of the armed services and any of their procedures is so low as to threaten to be less than zero. Heck, I doubt that he was even ever a Boy Scout!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: War Sparrow on 06 May 2019, 03:43
Today I learned a new word. Until today I didn't know "to sidle" existed. Thanks, Jeph!

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Not very, at least in my neck of the woods. It's something you read more than hear.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: traroth on 06 May 2019, 04:06
Today I learned a new word. Until today I didn't know "to sidle" existed. Thanks, Jeph!

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Same here, for both points...
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Mr Intrepid on 06 May 2019, 07:50
Seven's reaction might indicate that he just happened to be there that evening:  he seems to express surprise at the news.  And the interplay between Svrn and Faye is quite refreshing in the lack of rancor after the initial encounter.  Faye is in her best place, and it shows.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: brasca on 06 May 2019, 08:07
"Who the hell taught you how to salute (https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/wbm.thumbnail/dissolve/1200/946636.jpg), Rainbow?  Straighten out that wrist and thumb!"  Sgt. Reamoutski would have kicked my ass for that.

I recall an older strip where Sven was compared to the kid who got the GI Joe aircraft carrier for Christmas. I cant remember his response, but I know he used to play with those as a kid so Im assuming his familiarity is largely passing.  Moreover, country music has a lot of patriotic lyrics so hes probably done some research too.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Thrudd on 06 May 2019, 10:59
Heck, I doubt that he was even ever a Boy Scout!

I was going to point out that the Scout salute was similar to the French General as shown in that photo earlier, but a quick google image search shows that the American Scout salute has devolved into the modern US military style karate chop.

Digging deeper or back in time [Normal Rockwell paintings] and the US scout salute was with the palm forward, tips of fingers to the brim of ones head covering, same as with the founder.

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Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Gyrre on 06 May 2019, 11:17
The US contributed some really cool stuff to music. Country music is not one of them...
Everybody bags on country music. Why?

Oh well, just so long as you leave bluegrass and folk music alone.

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Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: cybersmurf on 06 May 2019, 11:54
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Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Roborat on 06 May 2019, 12:07
"Who the hell taught you how to salute (https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/wbm.thumbnail/dissolve/1200/946636.jpg), Rainbow?  Straighten out that wrist and thumb!"  Sgt. Reamoutski would have kicked my ass for that.

I am just happy he is using the proper hand.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Theta9 on 06 May 2019, 14:46
The US contributed some really cool stuff to music. Country music is not one of them...
Everybody bags on country music. Why?
It's like the blues, but for white rednecks.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: War Sparrow on 06 May 2019, 15:24
Hey! I resemble that remark!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 06 May 2019, 16:08
I more than suspect classism at least as an ingredient.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: pecoros7 on 06 May 2019, 17:09
I more than suspect classism at least as an ingredient.

I suspect you are correct. I generally assume that gleeful ragging on country music is proxy classism. Similarly, ragging on rap and R&B is usually proxy racism. Ragging on any media can often be a proxy for whoever that media tends to be popular with.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: jwhouk on 06 May 2019, 17:25
Country, blues, R&B were all American conventions. Country music is closer to classical church hymns than anything else. Blues and R&B were more Negro Spirituals, so its pretty much two sides of the same coin.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: War Sparrow on 06 May 2019, 19:30
Comic!
Those three burritos are not being friendly.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Case on 06 May 2019, 19:33
Comic!
Those three burritos are not being friendly.

Not to the prospective Pizza ...
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: brasca on 06 May 2019, 19:38
Those burritos may be the only thing keeping Faye from drinking if shes stuck in the restroom.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: shanejayell on 06 May 2019, 19:42
I really, REALLY hope strip 4000 isn't Faye falling off the wagon.

Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 06 May 2019, 19:47
Looks like she's redirected herself at the moment.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Mr Intrepid on 06 May 2019, 19:47
She's tempted.  We can blame seeing Sven for the blow to her peace of mind.  Either Bubbles or Marten will (hopefully) pick up on this and move to buoy her up.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Gyrre on 06 May 2019, 20:33
The US contributed some really cool stuff to music. Country music is not one of them...
Everybody bags on country music. Why?
It's like the blues, but for white rednecks.
I like the blues.

EDIT to avoid double posting.

I more than suspect classism at least as an ingredient.

I suspect you are correct. I generally assume that gleeful ragging on country music is proxy classism. Similarly, ragging on rap and R&B is usually proxy racism. Ragging on any media can often be a proxy for whoever that media tends to be popular with.
Granted, sometimes it's a matter of personal taste as well. Though, sometimes the two get entangled (i.e. someone not allowing themselves to like something due to ingrained racism).

To me; some rap is OK*, hip hop is better, and I generally like R&B.

*excessive repetition (a la You Don't Always Get What You Want) and rascist/sexist lyrics will ruin it for me. Ditto for the artist's voice. I can't listen to Die Antwoord because I find there voices grating.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Castlerook on 06 May 2019, 20:48
She's tempted.  We can blame seeing Sven for the blow to her peace of mind.  Either Bubbles or Marten will (hopefully) pick up on this and move to buoy her up.

Eh, no, we can't blame Sven. If Faye falls off the wagon, then it falls on her because she'd be the one making the choice to drink. Now, granted seeing Sven has rocked the boat a little, there is that, but at the same time, it's not his fault that he was there at the same time as Faye. The choice to drink has always been Faye's and blaming someone else for any potential failings is something that alcoholics tend to do, as part of their making excuses to drink.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Gyrre on 06 May 2019, 20:50
I like Faye's way of thinking about it like a food allergy to keep herself from having a relapse.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Case on 06 May 2019, 21:18
She's tempted.  We can blame seeing Sven for the blow to her peace of mind.  Either Bubbles or Marten will (hopefully) pick up on this and move to buoy her up.

Eh, no, we can't blame Sven. If Faye falls off the wagon, then it falls on her because she'd be the one making the choice to drink. Now, granted seeing Sven has rocked the boat a little, there is that, but at the same time, it's not his fault that he was there at the same time as Faye. The choice to drink has always been Faye's and blaming someone else for any potential failings is something that alcoholics tend to do, as part of their making excuses to drink.

Errrrrrrh - I don't see how "we can blame seeing Sven for blowing her piece of mind" is equivalent to either blaming Sven, or blaming Sven for Fay drinking?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: cybersmurf on 06 May 2019, 22:16
Faye rationalizes the "I need a drink" as "I want a drink". Which is correct, I guess. Seeing Sven caused some kind of emotional distress, and her first reaction was to mellow it out with alcohol. That is a human reaction, and it's been her habit. So, breaking the habit is the hardest thing, as some of you might know from giving up smoking. Let's just hope, Faye has the strength now. Or enough gastrointestinal distress to keep her mind occupied. Let's just hope Bubbles checks on her, soon.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Penquin47 on 06 May 2019, 23:15
Good job, Faye.  Here's hoping she can keep that thinking up for the rest of the night (and her life, but one night at a time, right?).
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: BenRG on 06 May 2019, 23:17
Given the way those burritos have returned to haunt Faye, I'm seriously concerned that the ER is definitely in her near future and the only involvement of alcohol will be in the antiseptic wipes she uses to clean herself up!

That said, I don't think that there's really any particular significance to Sven's presence, especially as nothing of any particular emotional significance came out of it other than Faye reminding herself that, just because he's attractive, doesn't make him someone she particularly likes being around. I've got this feeling that Faye has had a similar conversation with herself several times in the past year or so with varying degrees of success. The time when Bubbles used a kind of weird psychology to make Faye think twice is he closest she's come to falling off the wagon before this.

Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: TinPenguin on 07 May 2019, 00:15
Panels 1-2: NO Faye!

Panels 3-4: YES Faye!

Panels 5-6: Fuck, now I want pizza.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Drunken Old Man on 07 May 2019, 01:58
As a former smoker, I feel Faye's pain here.  (Thankfully not the gastrointestinal part...)  Even now, ten years after my last smoke,  the craving still hits me occasionally and probably will until the day I die.

Isn't addiction fun?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Annemoon on 07 May 2019, 02:31
As a former smoker, I feel Faye's pain here.  (Thankfully not the gastrointestinal part...)  Even now, ten years after my last smoke,  the craving still hits me occasionally and probably will until the day I die.

Isn't addiction fun?

I know my deal with sugar and  treats - I haven't touched smoking with a ten foot pole. Know thyself~
Addiction is a bitch, you build up all these associations and habits "if A then B" making you act 'without thinking' and against your best interest - the only way out is to break them down, one by one.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: dutchrvl on 07 May 2019, 04:44
Given the way those burritos have returned to haunt Faye, I'm seriously concerned that the ER is definitely in her near future and the only involvement of alcohol will be in the antiseptic wipes she uses to clean herself up!

That said, I don't think that there's really any particular significance to Sven's presence, especially as nothing of any particular emotional significance came out of it other than Faye reminding herself that, just because he's attractive, doesn't make him someone she particularly likes being around. I've got this feeling that Faye has had a similar conversation with herself several times in the past year or so with varying degrees of success. The time when Bubbles used a kind of weird psychology to make Faye think twice is he closest she's come to falling off the wagon before this.

Yeah, I'm with you on this one. I also don't think, as many here seem to do, that Sven's presence or Faye's interactions with him here are having any bearing on her wanting to drink. It seems more like a general feeling of "needing" to drink whenever in a bar, at a party/celebratory environment, etc. You know, the general social expectations we deal with on a daily basis.
I like a drink every once in a while, but whenever I am visiting my father's side of the family for a birthday or something, I always get certain looks and even comments whenever I opt for a soda instead of alcohol (you know, just because I feel like it), because it is socially expected to drink and if you don't you're weird. In fact, I know some relatives will have alcohol even when they don't really feel like it, because they feel like they 'need' to.

This appears to be a good development of Faye realizing that it is in fact not a need but a desire. This desire could be due to actually wanting the drink itself, or a desire for a drink to feel part of the occasion and/or social group.

Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Theta9 on 07 May 2019, 07:37
Country, blues, R&B were all American conventions. Country music is closer to classical church hymns than anything else. Blues and R&B were more Negro Spirituals, so its pretty much two sides of the same coin.
It was my (white redneck) uncle who first told me "Country music is white man's blues." (He was partial to both.)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Theta9 on 07 May 2019, 07:40
Isn't "Gimme Pizza" a song by Babymetal?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: theMarc on 07 May 2019, 10:24
I mean, really, don't we all want pizza, deep down inside?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: hakko504 on 07 May 2019, 10:54
Isn't "Gimme Pizza" a song by Babymetal?
Nope, that's Gimme Chocolate (video in spoiler)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Stoutfellow on 07 May 2019, 11:09
I mean, really, don't we all want pizza, deep down inside?

Well, where else would you want it? On top of your head?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Cornelius on 07 May 2019, 11:29
I could go for one in the oven, and one on the table.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: cybersmurf on 07 May 2019, 15:16
I could go for one in the oven, and one on the table.

One pizza on the table is worth more than two in the oven?


Isn't "Gimme Pizza" a song by Babymetal?
Nope, that's Gimme Chocolate (video in spoiler)

Babymetal is.... weird. I love that they exist, despite the fact they may just be a classical Japanese formula band, but still.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: MarigoldSkye on 07 May 2019, 15:25
Isn't "Gimme Pizza" a song by Babymetal?
It's "Gimme Chocolate".

ETA: hakko504 beat me to it.

They're awesome, tho.   Kinda bummed that Yui left, will have to see what their next album brings.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Theta9 on 07 May 2019, 16:43
Isn't "Gimme Pizza" a song by Babymetal?
Nope, that's Gimme Chocolate (video in spoiler)
I get it, it's not evident that I was joking  8-)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Penquin47 on 07 May 2019, 19:55
Good for Faye for deciding not to test her limits right now.  She's doing good for herself and I'm so proud of her.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: shanejayell on 07 May 2019, 20:09
New strip!

I tried alcohol free beer once. Was nasty.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 07 May 2019, 20:32
And what has Bubbles been enjoying? ( juniper extract, if we can trust Jeph -- gin can be blue ) And where will ghost pepper & seltzer take her?
(Sounds to me more like something May might go for... )
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Mr Intrepid on 07 May 2019, 20:47
And what has Bubbles been enjoying? ( juniper extract, if we can trust Jeph -- gin can be blue ) And where will ghost pepper & seltzer take her?
(Sounds to me more like something May might go for... )

May and Melon go into a bar......
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Near Lurker on 07 May 2019, 21:05
Can't roughly anything contain half of one percent alcohol?  That's just the threshold to be sold as non-alcoholic, I think...
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Gyrre on 07 May 2019, 21:29
I  can eat ghost pepper straight (just one), but I have to cook with Carolina reaper (1 tsp per 10" skillet).

Better poll installed.

EDIT:Be nice to the English and the Welsh, please.
EDIT 2: messing with poll announcement color and size.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Scarlet Manuka on 07 May 2019, 21:51
I mean, really, don't we all want pizza, deep down inside?
The real question is whether to put pineapple on it.

(the answer is yes, btw)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: OldGoat on 07 May 2019, 22:17
I mean, really, don't we all want pizza, deep down inside?
The real question is whether to put pineapple on it.

(the answer is yes, btw)

YOU MONSTER!!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: OldGoat on 07 May 2019, 22:41
I really want an original Scout stetson - old ones cost a dear amount and as for a new one goes, only the RCMP has them made for their own use now
They're still to be had here on this side of the 49th Parallel.  The Stetson (https://www.stetson.com/store/campaign-hat-1.html) brand comes dear (although no worse than a high quality western/cowboy hat) but others are more affordable.   A number of police agencies down here wear them, including the Washington State Patrol (blue), as does our local sheriff's office (brown).  Just search on "campaign hat."  (I'm partial to a classic fedora myself.)  I hope you can find one you like at a price you can afford. 
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: TV4Fun on 07 May 2019, 22:48
Isn't "Gimme Pizza" a song by Babymetal?
You're thinking of this.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: cybersmurf on 07 May 2019, 23:09
Well, ain't thst the truth Faye. One drink with (probably less than} 0.5% ABV shouldn't be a problem, but some things are better not tested. Or not under circumstances like this.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Torlek on 07 May 2019, 23:24
If 0.5% were to set her off then I hope she stays away from most fruit juices because those can naturally have almost 1% ABV. This is the point where Faye needs to learn that the other half of not letting your addiction control you is not letting the fear of your addiction control you.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: BenRG on 07 May 2019, 23:26
Ah, yes, the 'reduced alcohol =/= alcohol-free' issue. I'm glad that Faye is aware enough to know about this and realises that probably any amount is going to be too much to keep her balance.

It's nice to see Will trying to help out and it genuinely surprises me that an arty place like the Horrible Revelation doesn't have any alcohol-free options. That aside, I really do wonder exactly what something with ghost peppers in it will do for Bubbles. Is Faye ready for a girlfriend who is tripping?

I tried alcohol free beer once. Was nasty.

My ex-submariner and now-biker cousin compares it to urine but don't ask me where he got the knowledge base to do so.

If 0.5% were to set her off then I hope she stays away from most fruit juices because those can naturally have almost 1% ABV. This is the point where Faye needs to learn that the other half of not letting your addiction control you is not letting the fear of your addiction control you.

There's the psychological aspect to consider. She doesn't want to knowingly take alcohol as it may impair her resolve.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Gyrre on 07 May 2019, 23:40
I mean, really, don't we all want pizza, deep down inside?
The real question is whether to put pineapple on it.

(the answer is yes, btw)

YOU MONSTER!!

Oh not this again.


Just add habaneros or Scotch bonnets (the pepper not the hat), and use provolone, munster or gouda for the cheese.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: cybersmurf on 08 May 2019, 00:12

Oh not this again.


Why am I thinking of petunias and whales now
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: brasca on 08 May 2019, 00:29
Im curious as to what Bubbles will see if she sniffs that drink.

And its good to see Will again even if hes not important for this story.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Geographus on 08 May 2019, 00:40
It's nice to see Will trying to help out and it genuinely surprises me that an arty place like the Horrible Revelation doesn't have any alcohol-free options.
I would assume they have various options but Faye asked for something that is "like beer but not a beer" which of course limits
it drastically ... depending on what Will counts as "like beer but not" ... which aparently includes something with ghost pepper in it.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: hakko504 on 08 May 2019, 02:05
use provolone, munster or gouda for the cheese.
Proper Fresh Italian Buffalo Mozzarella beats everything on Pizza. Though Gouda is most certainly acceptable if no Mozzarella is to be found.

Throwing fuel on the fire:
One of the best pizzas I've had was this: Thick crust, tomato sauce, ham, mozzarella cheese, sliced banana, pineapple pieces and mozzarella cheese. Yummy!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Cornelius on 08 May 2019, 02:29
It's nice to see Will trying to help out and it genuinely surprises me that an arty place like the Horrible Revelation doesn't have any alcohol-free options.
I would assume they have various options but Faye asked for something that is "like beer but not a beer" which of course limits
it drastically ... depending on what Will counts as "like beer but not" ... which aparently includes something with ghost pepper in it.

There is de-alcoholised beer, which shouldn't have even 0.5%.

use provolone, munster or gouda for the cheese.
Proper Fresh Italian Buffalo Mozzarella beats everything on Pizza. Though Gouda is most certainly acceptable if no Mozzarella is to be found.

Throwing fuel on the fire:
One of the best pizzas I've had was this: Thick crust, tomato sauce, ham, mozzarella cheese, sliced banana, pineapple pieces and mozzarella cheese. Yummy!

Proper mozzarella can't be beaten.

My best was just the other side of the Alps - thin crust, wood fired, tomato sauce, basil, mozarella, and just the slightest dribble of olive oil.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Geographus on 08 May 2019, 02:57
It's nice to see Will trying to help out and it genuinely surprises me that an arty place like the Horrible Revelation doesn't have any alcohol-free options.
I would assume they have various options but Faye asked for something that is "like beer but not a beer" which of course limits
it drastically ... depending on what Will counts as "like beer but not" ... which aparently includes something with ghost pepper in it.

There is de-alcoholised beer, which shouldn't have even 0.5%.
Would still be beer though. For some people on the wagon it is not only the alcohol content that is an issue but also the taste.

Also, depending on the place they might not even serve non-alcoholic beer. There are some very traditional pubs or places
that specialize on craft-beer and such that refuse to serve them out of tradition or conviction. They have various non-alcoholic
options, but not beer.

Just to mention another quirky thing, there are also some pubs that won't serve you beer mixed with lemon soda or cola. You
can order them individually and mix them yourself but the bartender won't.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Cornelius on 08 May 2019, 03:26
On the other hand, some very traditional places keep them on hand, and serve them to customers who had their share, and insist on ordering more. By that point, they never notice.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: hakko504 on 08 May 2019, 03:37
thin crust, wood fired, tomato sauce, basil, mozarella, and just the slightest dribble of olive oil.
I wouldn't mind one of those right now :)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Rincewind on 08 May 2019, 06:00

Just to mention another quirky thing, there are also some pubs that won't serve you beer mixed with lemon soda or cola. You
can order them individually and mix them yourself but the bartender won't.

 Wait, beer with COLA???  I am thoroughly boggled! (and a bit queasy).   :-o
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: oddtail on 08 May 2019, 06:11
Beer with cola does sound kinda weird to me.

But I shouldn't judge, I drink beer with tomato juice once in a while (it's MUCH better than it sounds).
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Cornelius on 08 May 2019, 06:19
It's called a Mazout (http://bier.arpat.com/Mazout.ashx) over here. Though it's been ages since I've seen someone order one. But then, with the amount of time I spend in bars and cafs, that's not saying anything, really.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Theta9 on 08 May 2019, 06:48
Isn't "Gimme Pizza" a song by Babymetal?
You're thinking of this.
Nope, I had been hitherto unaware of that, and it would have been nice to maintain that blissful unawareness
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Theta9 on 08 May 2019, 06:53
Babymetal is.... weird. I love that they exist, despite the fact they may just be a classical Japanese formula band, but still.
A friend once described them thusly: "It's like the Olson twins exploded all over Dethklok."
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: cybersmurf on 08 May 2019, 07:13

Just to mention another quirky thing, there are also some pubs that won't serve you beer mixed with lemon soda or cola. You
can order them individually and mix them yourself but the bartender won't.

 Wait, beer with COLA???  I am thoroughly boggled! (and a bit queasy).   :-o

in my corner of the world this mix is called "diesel". A tavern I frequent has something called "Goa" (localized expression for a (female) goat), which is a 50/50 mix of beer and cola, plus a shot of rum. I like to call that "turbo diesel".
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: OldGoat on 08 May 2019, 09:39
DON'T FRUIT THE BEER (https://vimeo.com/66773734) (or the pizza - well tomatoes are okay, and sooner or later a caper is going to sneak in with the anchovies).
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Quantum Glass on 08 May 2019, 14:23
I was heavily disappointed and confused by Sven's spontaneous negative character growth during the 2700s (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2753 in particular) but it looks like he's back to normal, which is fantastic.

Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Thrillho on 08 May 2019, 15:55
The US contributed some really cool stuff to music. Country music is not one of them...

I feel like using an album that even Garth Brooks fans think is a disgrace to the name of Garth Brooks (and the album doesn't even have his name on it given it's under a pseudonym) isn't a particularly representative sample.

Also, country music has produced some of the most heartbreakingly brilliant music ever created. Educate yourself, foo'!

The US contributed some really cool stuff to music. Country music is not one of them...
Everybody bags on country music. Why?

Anecdotally speaking, I find it tends to relate to having only heard it through parodies and what American radio plays, which is a little bit like judging rap music by that Will Smith cutaway gag on Family Guy that doesn't even rhyme, and Soulja Boy.

Anyway, the comic.

1. My revulsion for Sven returned immediately just from him being on-panel, but God help me I missed the drama he often creates. I literally don't even remember what he has done in the strip this week because I am so blinded by irritation.

2. FAYE STAY AWAY FROM ALL THE BROWN LIQUIDS, FOR ALL OF US.

Something bad has to happen at this party, surely. Everyone's life has been going way too well for way too long, hasn't it? And Sven is here!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Castlerook on 08 May 2019, 16:48
Potential horrible storylines because as Thrillho just said, things have been going too well for too long.

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Gyrre on 08 May 2019, 17:12
use provolone, munster or gouda for the cheese.
Proper Fresh Italian Buffalo Mozzarella beats everything on Pizza. Though Gouda is most certainly acceptable if no Mozzarella is to be found.

Throwing fuel on the fire:
One of the best pizzas I've had was this: Thick crust, tomato sauce, ham, mozzarella cheese, sliced banana, pineapple pieces and mozzarella cheese. Yummy!

Pizza was invented as a  way to eat left overs.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: traroth on 08 May 2019, 17:13
About the poll: my favorite is Espelette pepper.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Gyrre on 08 May 2019, 17:47
About the poll: my favorite is Espelette pepper.
I had to look it up.
So, it works for everything black pepper does. Anything it's best with?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Case on 08 May 2019, 19:55
Is that a signal flare?

Did she pull a signal flare out ...?  :-o
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: shanejayell on 08 May 2019, 20:24
Poor Faye.

I like how lately Bubbles solution to ANY PROBLEM is signal flares. ;)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Penquin47 on 08 May 2019, 20:25
Can always say it was the three burritos!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Castlerook on 08 May 2019, 20:44
Calling tomorrow's comic now.

The Horrible Revelation is engulfed in flames. Everyone is safe outside, shocked and amazed at the conflagration, save for Faye and Bubbles, who are facepalming and shamed respectively.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: cesium133 on 08 May 2019, 21:00
Brun: "There was a pop. Then fire. Extinguisher didn't work. Everyone got out."
Firefighter: "Wait, isn't that what you said the last time?"
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Mr Intrepid on 08 May 2019, 21:11
Like crazy glue, signal flares have 1001 uses. 

I really hope Faye'll be okay.  She's not having a good time on a night for celebration.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: brasca on 08 May 2019, 21:54
As touching as all this is I hope Bubbles is joking since setting off a flare in a bar is illegal.   
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Timemaster on 08 May 2019, 22:17
If your future looks like a dark void, every signal flare looks like a solution. :laugh:

Nice butt-joke, Jeph.

TM
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Drunken Old Man on 08 May 2019, 22:25
Potential horrible storylines because as Thrillho just said, things have been going too well for too long.

(click to show/hide)

RE: Storyline #2- STILL TOO SOON!

I don't see why Faye is stressing here.  Her friends all know that this was an experiment to see how she could cope with being around drinking.  If she's had enough, that's no cause for worry.  She's done very well to last this long her first attempt.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Wombt on 08 May 2019, 22:26
Bubbles: "I'm  telling you, signal flares work. Any time I had a problem, and I threw a signal flare...BOOM, right away, I had a different problem."
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: BenRG on 08 May 2019, 23:08
Yeah, I think it's time for Faye to leave. Mostly because her behaviour in panels 2 & 3 make me think she's having a panic attack; one serious enough that, combined with those burritos, is enough to make her physically sick. She really doesn't want her situation to be a cause of fuss and bother, does she?

I'm wondering if Bubbles is telling the truth about where she kept that flare or if she's just trying to say something that will distract Faye from her distress by thinking about it! She's shown that level of subtlety in dealing with Faye's problems on previous occasions.

Finally, there are some errors in Bubbles' speech bubbles in this strip. Inadvertently, Jeph has thus shown how his art tools are used to create speech bubbles: Boxes first and then the arrow towards the speaker.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: OldGoat on 08 May 2019, 23:43
Is that a signal flare?

Did she pull a signal flare out ...?  :-o
Yep, she did.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Cornelius on 09 May 2019, 00:00
That could get very uncomfortable if it should happen to be a faulty flare.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: cybersmurf on 09 May 2019, 01:27
Is that a signal flare?

Did she pull a signal flare out ...?  :-o
Yep, she did.

Pintsize would be proud. By telling her "You can pull ME out of your butt anytime you want!"
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: traroth on 09 May 2019, 01:41
Isn't "Gimme Pizza" a song by Babymetal?
Nope, that's Gimme Chocolate (video in spoiler)

Babymetal is.... weird. I love that they exist, despite the fact they may just be a classical Japanese formula band, but still.

I saw them on stage once. It's funny to watch, but is it metal? I don't know, honestly...
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: traroth on 09 May 2019, 01:53
use provolone, munster or gouda for the cheese.
Proper Fresh Italian Buffalo Mozzarella beats everything on Pizza. Though Gouda is most certainly acceptable if no Mozzarella is to be found.

Throwing fuel on the fire:
One of the best pizzas I've had was this: Thick crust, tomato sauce, ham, mozzarella cheese, sliced banana, pineapple pieces and mozzarella cheese. Yummy!

The best pizza I ever tasted was in Firenze, in a tiny restaurant near the palazzo Pitti. Baked only with tomato sauce, mozzarella and parmaggiano cheese, and then garnished with fresh rucola salad and Parma ham. It was to die for.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: traroth on 09 May 2019, 01:58
I was heavily disappointed and confused by Sven's spontaneous negative character growth during the 2700s (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2753 in particular) but it looks like he's back to normal, which is fantastic.

Yeah, that comic show the terrible damages fiction makes to human behavior. Things usually don't turn out as they do in movies or novels. No as good, and not as bad. They sometimes do, but that's 2 or 3 times in a lifetime, and you will always remember those moments.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: traroth on 09 May 2019, 02:00
About the poll: my favorite is Espelette pepper.
I had to look it up.
So, it works for everything black pepper does. Anything it's best with?

Apart from the taste, no.

It's probably hard to explain in a language where Capsicum is called "pepper". Chili pepper has nothing to do with pepper. It's not the same plant, it's not the same active substance (capsaicin in chili pepper, piperine in pepper), it's not the same taste, at all.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Tyr on 09 May 2019, 04:39
Isn't "Gimme Pizza" a song by Babymetal?
Nope, that's Gimme Chocolate (video in spoiler)

Babymetal is.... weird. I love that they exist, despite the fact they may just be a classical Japanese formula band, but still.

I saw them on stage once. It's funny to watch, but is it metal? I don't know, honestly...

At the very least, Rob Zombie likes 'em (https://loudwire.com/rob-zombie-shuts-down-babymetal-haters-babymetal-offer-thanks/).
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: traroth on 09 May 2019, 05:00
Reminds me I'm supposed to go to Disturbed's concert this evening. Almost forgot about that...
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: cybersmurf on 09 May 2019, 05:55
Reminds me I'm supposed to go to Disturbed's concert this evening. Almost forgot about that...

If you had forgotten, you could've always excused yourself because you were down with the sickness.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Theta9 on 09 May 2019, 06:58
I saw [Babymetal] on stage once. It's funny to watch, but is it metal? I don't know, honestly...
It certainly isn't baby. Those girls were tweens at the youngest, and they're teenagers by now.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: traroth on 09 May 2019, 09:35
I saw [Babymetal] on stage once. It's funny to watch, but is it metal? I don't know, honestly...
It certainly isn't baby. Those girls were tweens at the youngest, and they're teenagers by now.

The 2 youngest are 20 and the last one 22, actually. But I wasn't aware metal had something to do with the age of the musicians. I thought it depended purely on the kind of music they played, silly me...
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Wombt on 09 May 2019, 10:57
I saw [Babymetal] on stage once. It's funny to watch, but is it metal? I don't know, honestly...
It certainly isn't baby. Those girls were tweens at the youngest, and they're teenagers by now.

The 2 youngest are 20 and the last one 22, actually. But I wasn't aware metal had something to do with the age of the musicians. I thought it depended purely on the kind of music they played, silly me...
"Babymetal"
>Is it metal?
>>Well, it isn't baby.
>>>baby. metal.

They weren't calling YOU "baby" in their response.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Welu on 09 May 2019, 11:07
I think it's a joke that they aren't the facetious genre "baby" because of their age. Not a comment on it being metal or not because of their age.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Theta9 on 09 May 2019, 12:31
Wombt and Welu have the right of it.

And I was guessing at their age; seems I was slightly off. Oh well. Just proves my point that Babymetal isn't baby.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Thrillho on 09 May 2019, 12:37
Isn't "Gimme Pizza" a song by Babymetal?
Nope, that's Gimme Chocolate (video in spoiler)

Babymetal is.... weird. I love that they exist, despite the fact they may just be a classical Japanese formula band, but still.

I saw them on stage once. It's funny to watch, but is it metal? I don't know, honestly...

In what sense is it not metal? I've heard precisely one song of theirs and it seems to be a pretty even split between being metal and J-pop.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: cybersmurf on 09 May 2019, 14:06
In what sense is it not metal? I've heard precisely one song of theirs and it seems to be a pretty even split between being metal and J-pop.

Probably in the sense it's mixed with J-Pop. It's something my brain can't fully wrap around, mixing classic metal stereotypes with J-Pop stereotypes (metal with a tendency to sound aggressive, to an extent, and adding the ... 'cuteness' of J-Pop to that)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Thrillho on 09 May 2019, 14:57
Well, I have a few thoughts on that.

1. The song I heard had a pretty harsh divide between the 'metal' riffage part and the insanely catchy chorus (it was one of their singles. No idea what it's called) so I'm not sure I qualify that as 'mixed.'

2. But that just makes it J-pop metal. Genres have been getting mixed since before there were genres. Metal mixed with hip-hop is rap-metal or nu-metal, pop mixed with punk is pop-punk, J-pop mixed with metal is J-pop metal, surely?

3. I am aware that quibbling over genres is what one might call an 'asshole's errand' but nobody pays me to freelance any more and I'm bored
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Mr Intrepid on 09 May 2019, 19:39
(1) Happy 4000th everyone.
(2) Everyone is understanding
(3) Dora still has trust issues with Sven
(4) That is definitely Bruh
(5) that is perfectly understandable
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Castlerook on 09 May 2019, 20:13
Wow, guess that was Brun after all.

Either that or she has a doppelganger with the same proclivity towards harpoons.

But yeah, I figure that Brun would especially dislike anything that might cause a fire.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: shanejayell on 09 May 2019, 20:34
Happy 4000!  :-D
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: brasca on 09 May 2019, 21:26
Brun is well within her rights all things considered. 

Im actually surprised that something bigger than Dora and Tais engagement didnt come up for the 4000th.  I was expecting Hannelore to walk in or perhaps a blast from Bubbles military past.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: cybersmurf on 09 May 2019, 22:14
JJ did "specials" for 666 and 1337, but that's about it. Well, except the traditional turkey comics, and the holiday greetings. I think he doesn't care about the strip number that much, or he would've done something special at 1000, 2000 and/or 3000.

Also: Brun, chill. Bubbles is a reasonable person, she wouldn't let the bar burn down. You're still right though.
Would be kind of ironic though, burning down the Revelation, too. (Will tending bar, in this outfit, made it obvious it's the Horrible Revelation. Elliot probably isn't there yet).
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Cornelius on 09 May 2019, 22:35
I think Elliot would be rather torn; on the one hand, Brun has a valid point, on the other she has a point, and I don't think he'd entirely approve pointing that at customers.

Edit: spell check needs to stop telling me what language to use.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: BenRG on 09 May 2019, 23:09
The big revelation for Faye? Her leaving early is not a huge thing and everyone won't get all boundary-crossing with her if she feels uncomfortable in a bar. Dora might get boundary-crossing about her interactions with Sven but she'd stop being Dora if she didn't do that!

Meanwhile, someone really needs to tell Brun that pointing harpoons at combat androids is probably a bad idea, especially as it's unlikely that the tip would penetrate the bullet-proof layer under the derma. It would be more likely to damage the harpoon! Now, is it me or does Bubbles' expression in panel 4 communicate that she's annoyed enough with the situation that she's thinking of all the ways to take that harpoon away and non-lethally insert it into Brun?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Nepiophage on 09 May 2019, 23:25
just listened to some Babymetal. Pleasant enough, but nothing special. I can imagine it being played at a fashion show.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 09 May 2019, 23:34
How much do we know about how mechanically robust Bubbles's body is without her armor?

I wouldn't be surprised if a harpoon could do at least superficial damage.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: BenRG on 09 May 2019, 23:37
How much do we know about how mechanically robust Bubbles's body is without her armor?

Faye said that Bubbles could probably stop everything up to .500" Magnum although she's hardly a technical expert in this area; she was just making a point via exaggeration.

In practice, yes, if the harpoon is sufficiently honed, it will definitely cut the derma but I suspect that Bubbles has a layer not unlike chainmail underneath (but with much smaller links) that protects her inner workings.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Penquin47 on 10 May 2019, 00:42
What was boundary-crossing about Dora asking Faye how things went with Sven?  Faye's her best friend, Sven's her brother, she knows their history, how is checking to make sure things didn't go horribly boundary-crossing?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: BenRG on 10 May 2019, 01:10
It's boundary crossing in the same way making a fuss over Faye leaving earlier would be boundary crossing: If Faye needs Dora's help with Sven, she'll ask. More importantly, if Faye and Sven had a collision, I'm pretty sure Sven would have told Dora about it so there isn't a reason to pry other than paranoia about him.

FWIW, I'm sort of writing from Faye's perspective here; I don't necessarily think that it's really boundary crossing from my own perspective.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: traroth on 10 May 2019, 01:36
If you don't want to be threatened with a harpoon, don't use fireworks in a bar.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Cornelius on 10 May 2019, 03:02
How much do we know about how mechanically robust Bubbles's body is without her armor?

Faye said that Bubbles could probably stop everything up to .500" Magnum although she's hardly a technical expert in this area; she was just making a point via exaggeration.

In practice, yes, if the harpoon is sufficiently honed, it will definitely cut the derma but I suspect that Bubbles has a layer not unlike chainmail underneath (but with much smaller links) that protects her inner workings.

Like butcher's mail?

The size of the links doesn't really matter as much, as how they've been closed, with a harpoon stabbing. Though the gauge and material do count for something as well.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Case on 10 May 2019, 03:51
I figure that Bubbles' remark about not wanting to damage an antique is less in reference to the quality of her armour than to the speed & strength of her chassis.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Y on 10 May 2019, 04:35
I guess it takes one bar burned down to keep a look out for those things. Also how hard would it be for Brun to find another job if she had two bars burned down (regardless of what caused it)?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: traroth on 10 May 2019, 04:55
I guess it takes one bar burned down to keep a look out for those things. Also how hard would it be for Brun to find another job if she had two bars burned down (regardless of what caused it)?

Yeah, job interviews would become kind of odd...

"And why did you leave the Horrible Revelation?
-It burnt down, too..
-We will call you back!"

(Isn't it funny how "we will call you back" actually means "we won't call you back?")
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Castlerook on 10 May 2019, 05:05
Regarding whether or not the harpoon could damage Bubbles.

Presumably as a military grade chassis, Bubbles' dermal layers can withstand up to a .500 Magnum, which is the most powerful production handgun round at the moment. So presumably Bubbles' dermal layers work on the same premise that all bullet resistant technology works, multiple layers that work to slow a bullet and forcing it to expend its energy to the point where it can no longer continue. This works because the instant a bullet is fired, its already expending kinetic energy, slowing down the further it has to travel. Bullet resistant technology capitalises on that, having layers of material that disperses impact energy over a wider area, which in turn forces the bullet to expend even more kinetic energy to pierce another layer until its stopped.

That said, bullet resistant doesn't mean stab resistant. Dependant on the materials used, a stabbing weapon will enter slower than a bullet and unless there was a tighter weave, would simply cut through the layers. This is because as I pointed out, a bullet is slowing down the instant it is fired, whereas a knife (or in this case a harpoon) will have a consistent and considerable amount of force behind it (again, in this case Brun). Essentially you're (relatively, you're talking a difference of around half a second) slowly cutting through layers.

So, unless Bubbles's has different kinds of Kevlar under her skin, she might want to be careful of that harpoon.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: BenRG on 10 May 2019, 05:25
So, unless Bubbles's has different kinds of Kevlar under her skin, she might want to be careful of that harpoon.

Unless the armour is some kind of handwavium material that's aimed at being stab-proof and uses some kind of energy redistribution effect, radiating all incident energy from a higher-energy attack out equally from the entire surface without having to allow partial penetration. This isn't possible IRL (at the moment); anything other than a perfect sphere using this material would generate 'hot spots' where the energy distribution wave would be concentrated rather than dispersed, which would cause the effect to break down. However, it's a moderately common sci-fi concept.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Mr Intrepid on 10 May 2019, 05:38
Bubbles said her squad was hit with artillery and finished off with small weapons fire.  While Bubbles was armored, there would have been some exposed dermal, and we've seen no evidence of scarring or repair.
The harpoon isn't much of a threat.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Cornelius on 10 May 2019, 05:56
On the other hand, we've never seen evidence of repair, even where we know in comic that they have replaced the dermal covering.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: BenRG on 10 May 2019, 05:59
With the exception of May, of course. Her dissimilar colour derma replacement was very, very obvious.

All other chassis that have had repairs after serious damage have been 'Tin Woodsman' semi-rigid hull units without derma except, possibly, on the face panel.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Cornelius on 10 May 2019, 06:46
Then again, for her, it was a question of "this is all I can afford".

Such repairs would likely have been made on bubbles when in the military, and I don't suspect they stock more than the standard issue dermal covering. If anything at all, as the role of AI in the military seems to be somewhat vague at the moment.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: traroth on 10 May 2019, 07:03
Honestly, I think even if Bubbles' skin isn't somehow armored, she is proficient enough in combat to have nothing to fear from that harpoon. Brun should be careful not to threat a tiger with a butter knive...

I would say the ethical problem is different: should you really allow yourself to do whatever you want just because you are stronger and can beat anyone? Bubbles behaves somehow like a bully, even if it's a passive thing, something like "prevent me from using a firework. If you dare..." I think she's more oblivious than bad mannered, but still.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Castlerook on 10 May 2019, 07:33
Honestly, I think even if Bubbles' skin isn't somehow armored, she is proficient enough in combat to have nothing to fear from that harpoon. Brun should be careful not to threaten a tiger with a butter knife...

No.

Even with her combat training, Bubbles is at a disadvantage here. One of the things that many modern self defence teachers will tell you is that you can have all the training in the world, but if someone picks up a rock (or in this case a harpoon), you have two choices - Run away or Fight. And more often than not, they'll tell you to run.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Cornelius on 10 May 2019, 07:45
Hmmm, girl with harpoon versus combat robot. I'm not confident normal self defence rules apply, necessarily.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: oddtail on 10 May 2019, 07:55
Honestly, I think even if Bubbles' skin isn't somehow armored, she is proficient enough in combat to have nothing to fear from that harpoon. Brun should be careful not to threaten a tiger with a butter knife...

No.

Even with her combat training, Bubbles is at a disadvantage here. One of the things that many modern self defence teachers will tell you is that you can have all the training in the world, but if someone picks up a rock (or in this case a harpoon), you have two choices - Run away or Fight. And more often than not, they'll tell you to run.

This. I do not have a robotic body specifically created for combat, but I still have thousands of hours of martial art training over the past decade or so. Even though I've absolutely no natural talent for said martial arts, this is significant enough for me to at least know what I'm doing in a fight.

But if someone threatens me with a knife and they seem to have a working knowledge of how to use it in a fight, I'll try and defend myself if need be. But if I can, I'll talk the person down or run away. Harpoon or anything vaguely spear-like? I doubt I'd even attempt defending myself, unless a life absolutely depended on it.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Case on 10 May 2019, 08:24
But if someone threatens me with a knife and they seem to have a working knowledge of how to use it in a fight, I'll try and defend myself if need be. But if I can, I'll talk the person down or run away. Harpoon or anything vaguely spear-like? I doubt I'd even attempt defending myself, unless a life absolutely depended on it.

Engagements starts @1:47

Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 10 May 2019, 08:37
Why would Bubbles take it to a confrontation, though, instead of saying "just kidding" and putting the flare away with a stern look to Brun about putting the harpoon away?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Cornelius on 10 May 2019, 08:38
On the other hand, throw in lit flare, and they might not even see where to stab.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: jwhouk on 10 May 2019, 08:47
Oy. This is starting to look like a OotS forum thread. (What is the damage of a thrown pineapple?)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Castlerook on 10 May 2019, 09:26
Assuming the pineapple weighs 1kg and assuming the average person throws an object at between 50 to 60 miles per hour. Let's say 50 miles per hour and convert that to SI, so about 22.3 meters per second squared

Force = mass by acceleration.

The pineapple hits with a force of 22.3 Newtons!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: brasca on 10 May 2019, 09:59
Its not a matter of how durable Bubbles is, but the legality of setting off a flare in a crowded bar. 
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: OldGoat on 10 May 2019, 10:29
I do believe this is the first confirmation we have that the harpoon survived the fire!  Huzzah!

Modern flexible police body armor can stop a large handgun bullet.  Recall that the purpose of rifling is to make the projectile spin about its axis of roll, thereby stabilizing it in flight.  That spin allows the Kevlar fibres in the armor to soak up the bullet's kinetic energy such that its forward motion ceases.  Flexible body armor may be able to stop a .500 bullet, but a common ice pick will pass right through unless a shock plate of a solid material is incorporated in the vest's design.

Jeph is very aware of how this works (https://www.alicegrove.com/page/12).

Bubbles is very much aware that she's in the wrong and that Brun is acting with lawful authority. 

"At this range I am likely to sustain at least some level of damage.  Even if I successfully disarm the employee, I will have committed a criminal act and will likely face prosecution.  I am annoyed with myself for placing myself in this awkward position.  Further, her weapon a historically significant artifact truly worthy of preservation."  (Bubbs does think fast.)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Jakk Frost on 10 May 2019, 11:09
Happy 4000! 

And in point of fact, three more issues and it will be exactly 1000 issues since Bubbles made her first appearance as well!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Case on 10 May 2019, 11:22
Bubbles is very much aware that she's in the wrong and that Brun is acting with lawful authority. 

Quote
lawful authority noun agency of the law, authorized agent of the law, authorized officer, established authority, legitimate member of law enforcement, member of a law enforcement agency, member of the police force, officer sanctioned by law, officer with credentials, police, proper authority, rightful authority, sanctioned authority, security, valid member of law enforcement

https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/lawful+authority

?

Also: American bartenders have the right to stab customers about to do stupid & dangerous shit?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Castlerook on 10 May 2019, 11:37
Probably more right than anyone has to light a flare in an enclosed space where flammable liquids are kept.

Plot twist - Bubbles is actually a secret pyromaniac.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Case on 10 May 2019, 11:56
I don't know whether Bubbles intended to light the flare inside the bar - she's standing next to the exit in the last panel.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 10 May 2019, 13:43
"Lawful" can mean "legal". Brun's an agent of the property owner who has been granted by law the privilege of not allowing incendiary devices.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: sitnspin on 10 May 2019, 14:16
One can be legally authorised to perform an action without being a legal authority.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Thrillho on 10 May 2019, 14:44
Happy 4000! 

And in point of fact, three more issues and it will be exactly 1000 issues since Bubbles made her first appearance as well!

WHAT EVEN IS TIME?

I still feel like Tai is new for fuck's sake.

Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: OldGoat on 10 May 2019, 14:59
Also: American bartenders have the right to stab customers about to do stupid & dangerous shit?
Brun didn't stab Bubbles.  She did arm herself with a potentially lethal weapon, but Bubbles has produced a lethal incendiary device.   Her proximity to the exit is immaterial, she has produced the potential weapon - Brun is under no obligation to further assess her intentions.  She is acting to enforce her employer's policies and protect the property and the safety of the establishment's other patrons.  Thus, Brun's response is reasonable.  Had Bubbles moved to trigger that device, Brun would have been using reasonable force to prevent her from doing so by going all Queequeg on her.

Bubbles is no fool and knows she fucked up*.  She will be reevaluating her protocols with regard to deployment of signal flares.


*She's only human.  Well, more human than not.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Milayna on 10 May 2019, 21:36
Surprised no one's mentioned that Brun, in particular, would be extra wary of potential fire hazards. She probably wouldn't have reacted quite so strongly prior to nearly getting burned to death in a bar, what, a few months ago?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Case on 11 May 2019, 07:19
Also: American bartenders have the right to stab customers about to do stupid & dangerous shit?
Brun didn't stab Bubbles.

So ... you're saying that American bartenders have the right to threaten stabbing customers about to do stupid & dangerous shit, but not the right to actually follow through? That seems impractical. To the point of being stupid and dangerous, truth be told.

On a side-note: Threatening someone with a weapon can be an offence where I live. Is that different in the US?

She did arm herself with a potentially lethal weapon, but Bubbles has produced a lethal incendiary device.   

So what you're saying that Bubbles would be 'acting with lawful authority' if she threatened Brun with the 'lethal' pyrotechnical device, in order to defend herself from being harpooned?

How does this work in practise, actually? Do their rights to threaten each other cancel out? Add up? Produce nice interference patterns?

Are we still debating actual laws here, or have we moved into the realm of 'gut feelings about what should be legal'?

Brun is under no obligation to further assess her intentions.

Is that 'Brun is under no obligation to further assess her intentions in order to convince me, OldGoat' or 'Brun is under no legal obligation to further assess her intentions'?

I hope you understand that that the two aren't necessarily the same?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: shanejayell on 11 May 2019, 08:28
.... This whole discussion has me going 'what' a bit.

 :-D :lol:
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: OldGoat on 11 May 2019, 09:30
I speak from the realm of reality, and I suspect the laws are very similar in Europe and elsewhere.   While harpoons are not common, there's been more that one proprietor whack the bar with a billy club to get a rowdy's attention.  The clear message is, "You're next."
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 11 May 2019, 11:07
Anglo-US self-defense law tries to distinguish between good guys and bad guys. Bubbles would have a harder time arguing self defense having started off with an announced intention to perform an illegal (I hope) act.

For example, the founder of Prison Legal News shot someone who was trying to kill him. Since he was committing an armed robbery against that person when it happened, a long and unpleasant prison sentence followed.

A harpoon may not be justified by any law other than The Law of Funny.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Cornelius on 11 May 2019, 23:33
I speak from the realm of reality, and I suspect the laws are very similar in Europe and elsewhere.   While harpoons are not common, there's been more that one proprietor whack the bar with a billy club to get a rowdy's attention.  The clear message is, "You're next."

At which point over here anyone could call the police on said bartender for possession n and threats with a forbidden weapon. Billy clubs have been forbidden explicitly, except for law enforcement. Likewise any item used to threaten someone ipso facto de jure is considered illegal.
As for possession and use of flares, in our nook of the world there is no legal civilian use for them on land. You can buy them, and are obliged to have them on you on open water - even if you're just a surfer, though that's about to change in a month or two. Other than that, unless you're coming or going, you're not supposed to have any on you, and can get in t trouble, though it'll be limited to confiscation and a fine. People did use them at New year's, when they were near expiring, but as of this year, any fireworks need to have a permit before hand.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Timemaster on 12 May 2019, 06:09
A harpoon may not be justified by any law other than The Law of Funny.

The wisest words Ive read in the discussion on this topic so far.  :-D

Happy 4000th birthday to your strip, Jeph.
Its an honor and a pleasure to follow the story of your characters. Keep up the good work.

TM
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Gyrre on 12 May 2019, 09:17
Intent is important in U.S. law.

That's why conspiracy is a crime (conspiracy to commit fraud/arson/murder/treason/etc).
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: sitnspin on 12 May 2019, 11:08
Intent is important in U.S. law.

That's why conspiracy is a crime (conspiracy to commit fraud/arson/murder/treason/etc).

Also, attempted murder. Being unsuccessful at committing a crime is still a crime.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: traroth on 12 May 2019, 17:26
Brun threatening Bubbles with a harpoon... the diversion worked out fine, eventually. And without actually lighting the flare.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3996-4000 (6th-10th May, 2019)
Post by: Cornelius on 13 May 2019, 00:21
Except of course, that Faye did say goodbye to her friends, and didn't slip away under cover of a diversion.