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Title: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: Gyrre on 01 Sep 2019, 05:04
It's in the second panel of #4080 (http://"https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=4080"), and we've seen it before.
It was either this or speculating about the nature of Chimevera and Dr. Mann PhD Jones's relationship.

If one of the mods has a better poll, feel free to replace this one.

EDIT: forgot to link the comic.
EDIT2: His name is jones. He is somewhat lanky, but I wouldn't describe him as long and lean.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: BenRG on 01 Sep 2019, 05:36
I suspect it's a light box like the ones they used in 1960s and 1970s sci-fi TV shows. It just sits there blinking in semi-random patterns to make customers feel that this is a high-tech establishment!
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: Gyrre on 01 Sep 2019, 07:01
I suspect it's a light box like the ones they used in 1960s and 1970s sci-fi TV shows. It just sits there blinking in semi-random patterns to make customers feel that this is a high-tech establishment!
Hmmm.......good suggestion.

Whatever it is, it's plugged in and has little vents at the top of the side.
Title: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: Zebediah on 01 Sep 2019, 08:19
That’s Bob. He’s in the shop because he has a bad bearing in one of his cooling fans.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: hedgie on 01 Sep 2019, 09:46
Hmmm.......good suggestion.

Whatever it is, it's plugged in and has little vents at the top of the side.

Does it go "ping"?
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: Cornelius on 01 Sep 2019, 12:49
It's an early AI substrate case they found while scavenging for parts. Unbeknownst to them, it's the original home of one Yay New friend.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: DaiJB on 01 Sep 2019, 16:54
Actually, it's an AI customer with a really boring chassis, but he's a quiet retiring type who prefers to just sit in the corner at parties, so he's quite happy with it...
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: shanejayell on 01 Sep 2019, 18:17
Looks like a storage unit.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: cesium133 on 01 Sep 2019, 18:25
Clearly a cabinet for punch cards.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: cesium133 on 01 Sep 2019, 19:30
New comic.

I like robutts and I cannot lie...
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: hedgie on 01 Sep 2019, 19:32
Clearly a cabinet for punch cards.

Pity that poor AI.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: shanejayell on 01 Sep 2019, 20:21
.... well, that's not where I expected that to go.

 :laugh:
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 01 Sep 2019, 20:27
Quote from: Wingy
They can't be all that heavy, or they wouldn't have battery power for very long.  And if a bird can kick one heard enough to break or seriously bend the leg, that's just more evidence of light-weight construction.  I expect most of the weight of an AI is the battery pack, not the body structure.

Nailed it.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: St.Clair on 01 Sep 2019, 20:36
So did the emu.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: DSL on 01 Sep 2019, 21:35
Is the box much bigger inside than out?
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: Penquin47 on 01 Sep 2019, 21:51
Parents: would you be comfortable with this?
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: cesium133 on 01 Sep 2019, 21:53
Clearly a cabinet for punch cards.

Pity that poor AI.
Where do you think Punchbot got his name? You didn't think it was because of the punching, did you?  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: BenRG on 01 Sep 2019, 23:17
Well, that gives us an answer to the question about how Jones was able to carry Chimevera around like that: The endoskeleton of her chassis is made of a light but relatively brittle material (sort of like us meat types, really). The consequence is that her femur is literally broken and will need to be replaced.

Meanwhile, Jim is about to learn that context is king. Also that AIs are far, far more human than humans sometimes!

Something I'd like to see: Sam talking to Chimevera and the synthetic scientist realising that she has sometime of a kindred spirit to hand: Someone fascinated with dangerous wild critters and prone to do stupid things with them. I kind of like the idea of Sam ending up as the runner/gofer for some semi-responsible researchers! :-D
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: andrybak on 01 Sep 2019, 23:38
In #4075 (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=4075) Greenie is wearing a skirt, but in #4080 (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=4080) she's wearing trousers.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: BenRG on 01 Sep 2019, 23:58
Usually a change of clothes is how Jeph signals a time progression. The emu probably kicked Chimevera the day after Winslow 'helped' her and Jones find it.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: Gyrre on 02 Sep 2019, 03:05
So, an alternative title for #4080 would be 'Along Came Jones' then, right?

EDIT: I could swear I had autocorrect turned off.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: DSL on 02 Sep 2019, 05:44
In #4075 (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=4075) Greenie is wearing a skirt, but in #4080 (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=4080) she's wearing trousers.
The linework in 4075 looks more like trousers than a skirt, to me. I see lines suggesting pant legs (feel free to  make a "pant-y line" joke if you're so inclined) and a fly.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: andrybak on 02 Sep 2019, 06:39
In #4075 (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=4075) Greenie is wearing a skirt, but in #4080 (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=4080) she's wearing trousers.
The linework in 4075 looks more like trousers than a skirt, to me. I see lines suggesting pant legs (feel free to  make a "pant-y line" joke if you're so inclined) and a fly.

Indeed! However, it was a skirt before. (http://web.archive.org/web/20190823014808/https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=4075)
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: St.Clair on 02 Sep 2019, 07:48
Huh, interesting.  Presumably the alteration was made for the sake of this scene here...
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 02 Sep 2019, 08:19
Or if we think logically, time has simply progressed.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: cesium133 on 02 Sep 2019, 08:58
Or God rewrote time to be a b-hole (http://www.dumbingofage.com/2014/comic/book-4/02-i-was-a-teenage-churchmouse/rewrote/).
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: andrybak on 02 Sep 2019, 10:40
Here's a comparison:

(https://i.imgur.com/i5VPROo.png)
Links to archive: before (http://web.archive.org/web/20190823014808/https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=4075) and after (https://web.archive.org/web/20190902173341/https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=4075)
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: DSL on 02 Sep 2019, 16:31
Well, whachoo know bout dat!
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: shanejayell on 02 Sep 2019, 20:01
New strip up.

https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=4082

Yeah, Sam, you need to ease into drinking coffee. Especially COFFEE OF DOOM coffee.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: BenRG on 02 Sep 2019, 23:22
That's actually quite a sweet moment. Sam is thinking about Faye and thinking about what would be nice for her because, y'know, doing nice things for friends is a good thing. It reminds us of Sam's good side and of her genuinely sweet side.

It also doesn't surprise me to hear Sam essentially say: "I'm having what Faye's having!" I've thought for a long time that Sam basically imprinted on Faye as her ideal of what she should be when she's an adult! However, I get the feeling from today's strip that Faye is a bit like Garfield the Cat, preferring coffee that at the very least corrodes spoons and, ideally, in which you can stand up a spoon in the middle of the cup without it falling over in any way! Such a density of caffeine would probably be toxic to the unprepared!

I suspect that Faye and Bubbles are going to have an... interesting time keeping Sam from damaging herself this afternoon!
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: Tyr on 03 Sep 2019, 00:20
Fun fact: Two students at Northumbria university were accidentally dosed with twice the LD50 for caffeine for their body weight because of a misplaced decimal. they were supposed to get 3 cups of coffee worth of caffeine. they got 300.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: jwhouk on 03 Sep 2019, 05:06
Fun fact: Two students at Northumbria university were accidentally dosed with twice the LD50 for caffeine for their body weight because of a misplaced decimal. they were supposed to get 3 cups of coffee worth of caffeine. they got 300.

When was their funeral?
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: andrybak on 03 Sep 2019, 05:20
Both students fully recovered, it seems. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-tyne-38744307
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: Gyrre on 03 Sep 2019, 07:13
Both students fully recovered, it seems. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-tyne-38744307
That's good.

Here's hoping neither suffer from any adverse effects beyond a fear response to coffee.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: Wingy on 03 Sep 2019, 09:07
Fun fact: Two students at Northumbria university were accidentally dosed with twice the LD50 for caffeine for their body weight because of a misplaced decimal. they were supposed to get 3 cups of coffee worth of caffeine. they got 300.
For those who don't know, an LD50 dose has a 50% chance of being deadly, as in Lethal Dose 50% of the time.

The human physiology responds variably to caffeine and there is some evidence that introverts are less affected than extroverts, which would make introversion a genetic trait, not an acquired one.  Speaking as someone not much effected by caffeine and somewhat introverted, I'm happy and not surprised the two university (perhaps more introverted and therefore less effected by caffeine) students survived.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: sitnspin on 03 Sep 2019, 09:15
Fun fact: Two students at Northumbria university were accidentally dosed with twice the LD50 for caffeine for their body weight because of a misplaced decimal. they were supposed to get 3 cups of coffee worth of caffeine. they got 300.
"which would make introversion a genetic trait, not an acquired one."
That's a dodgy argument there. Correlation is not causation. There are any number of unaccounted for variable there.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: Wingy on 03 Sep 2019, 09:35
That's a dodgy argument there.
Yeppers.  That's why I couched it the way I did.  OTOH, introversion/extroversion is often reported by parents in the behavior of their newborns, so a genetic link is probable.  Whether such a gene(s) will ever be identified - who knows? 

My expectation is there is a handful of genes that influence such things and nurture simply enhances their effect.  But then, I was raised by a strong intro- and an ambi-vert.  I might've got it either way.  What I do know is all the effects people report caffeine having on them I don't experience.  I can drink a Mountain Dew and then go to sleep a short time later, where the uncaffeinated - having had their fix - can't nap out.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: Mr_Rose on 03 Sep 2019, 09:37
Fun fact: Two students at Northumbria university were accidentally dosed with twice the LD50 for caffeine for their body weight because of a misplaced decimal. they were supposed to get 3 cups of coffee worth of caffeine. they got 300.
For those who don't know, an LD50 dose has a 50% chance of being deadly, as in Lethal Dose 50% of the time.
It means lethal in 50% of the studied population, and, usually with humans not even that because the dose is an extrapolated estimate, not least because getting funding to do a study where you feed a group of people poison until they die is extremely hard to get funded these days. Unless you’re selling it to them first, of course.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: Thrudd on 03 Sep 2019, 10:34
I kind of like the idea of Sam ending up as the runner/gofer for some semi-responsible researchers! :-D
responsible researchers!
Those two works. They don't go together they way you think they go together.
This is from someone who has enough contact with that type without having to deal with them on a daily basis.
A bit of a rant and a story follows
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: BenRG on 03 Sep 2019, 14:11
Well, I did say "semi-responsible". There has to be a limit to how responsible Jones and Chimevera could be, given that they equipped a large and dangerous animal with an active adaptive optical camouflage system and then managed to lose it!
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 03 Sep 2019, 18:11
Yep, called it.  CoD is indeed close to Union Robotics.
( for plot convenience anyway )

And if Sam downs Faye's Favorite, she will definitely run faster.

Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 03 Sep 2019, 18:46
Hands up who thinks Sam is going to be so excited about seeing the procedure, she's going to end up spilling coffee all over herself.

Kids, here's a lesson - Don't run when you're carrying boiling hot drinks! A&E wards are not fun to visit.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: shanejayell on 03 Sep 2019, 19:25
New stip up.

Dora, GLOWING RED EYES are not a good look for you.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: Tova on 03 Sep 2019, 19:51
Does Jeph drink coffee?
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: Raptorofwar on 03 Sep 2019, 20:08
Man, I wished that's what coffee does. I could get so much more done.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: Akima on 03 Sep 2019, 20:27
In an alternative QCverse where Faye and Bubbles open a bicycle shop:
"Wow, when these composite frames go, they really go, huh."
"They trade light weight for brittleness."


I think lighter-fuel is based on naptha (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naphtha), so drinking it would be a very bad idea.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: Gyrre on 03 Sep 2019, 20:52
That's a dodgy argument there.
Yeppers.  That's why I couched it the way I did.  OTOH, introversion/extroversion is often reported by parents in the behavior of their newborns, so a genetic link is probable.  Whether such a gene(s) will ever be identified - who knows? 

My expectation is there is a handful of genes that influence such things and nurture simply enhances their effect.  But then, I was raised by a strong intro- and an ambi-vert.  I might've got it either way.  What I do know is all the effects people report caffeine having on them I don't experience.  I can drink a Mountain Dew and then go to sleep a short time later, where the uncaffeinated - having had their fix - can't nap out.
Being that it's behavioral, it's likely a combination of genetic predisposition, environment, and upbringing. Along with possible epigenetic interaction(s) also being a possible factor.

Being that extrovertion-introvertion is a sliding gradient, a more complex explanation is likely at play.


BTW, caffeine is one of the various poisons humans have an absurdly high (comparatively speaking) tolerance for. Theobromine is still king in that corner though.

EDIT: to avoid double posting.


It means lethal in 50% of the studied population, and, usually with humans not even that because the dose is an extrapolated estimate, not least because getting funding to do a study where you feed a group of people poison until they die is extremely hard to get funded these days. Unless you’re selling it to them first, of course.
We could use career politicians, tell them it's for a heart medication or stimulant (not entirely a lie), and do a double blind study.

I'm speaking purely in hypotheticals while being facetious.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: BenRG on 03 Sep 2019, 23:21
Yeah, that's pretty much what I thought would be the effect of coffee on Sam, who likely has been on an OJ-only breakfast drink strategy up to this point. FWIW, this will be the trigger of an argument between Faye and Dora and possibly between Jim and Dora too. Play a prank on your friend? Sure. Just don't play a prank by using a pretty powerful behaviour-altering chemical on a minor. It wouldn't surprise me if the next arc will be a Dora self-reflection arc of some form.

My rant aside, I can't help but giggle at panel 3. Jeph has definitely been observing kids trying new food and drinks for the very first time! Obviously, Sam had no idea what that slime would taste like and whether she could handle something  that hot!

So, I wonder how many places at Union Robotics Sam will be able to be at the same time? Or will Bubbles just duct-tape her to one of the roof support columns in the storage room?
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: andrybak on 04 Sep 2019, 01:58
Can Sam see forever (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3114)?
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: JoeCovenant on 04 Sep 2019, 02:28

What's that brown thing stuck to the side of one of the cups???
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: BenRG on 04 Sep 2019, 02:37
What's that brown thing stuck to the side of one of the cups???

Probably a tag to keep the tea bag from dropping to the bottom of the cup.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: Gus_Smedstad on 04 Sep 2019, 03:52
Panel 5: another instance of the caffeine = meth trope.

I was a late adopter of coffee, and before I first started drinking it, I’d heard for years from people who claimed they weren’t really awake until they’d had their coffee. Now I’m a coffee nerd, drinking 14 oz flat whites brewed from about 40 grams of coffee most days, and I find that it makes pretty much no difference to my alertness whether I’m drinking caffeinated or decaf.

And yes, I’m an introvert.

The main struggle I have with caffeine is the withdrawal headaches. That’s a real effect on me even if the stereotype of it being a strong stimulant isn’t. It’s why I often drink decaf, I’m drinking coffee for the flavor, not the effect, so some days I skip coffee because I don’t feel like drinking it that day, and I don’t want to be punished with a headache for being fickle.

I’d drink decaf exclusively but I’ve found relatively few decaf bean sources that I enjoy.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: Tyr on 04 Sep 2019, 05:13
Just don't play a prank by using a pretty powerful behaviour-altering chemical on a minor. It wouldn't surprise me if the next arc will be a Dora self-reflection arc of some form.

It similarly wouldn't surprise me if Dora actually gave Sam a latte with the absolute least amount of decaf coffee possible without Sam twigging on that it was basically just a cup of steamed milk, and Sam's reaction here is essentially psychosomatic. 

also, @Andrybak, thank you for tracking down that article (http://"https://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,34488.msg1432549.html#msg1432549"). I'd only heard about it third-hand, and I didn't mean to imply either student had died.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: Akima on 04 Sep 2019, 06:07
Probably a tag to keep the tea bag from dropping to the bottom of the cup.
Tea bag!? *shudder* Western barbarians...

As for the supposed evils of caffeine, parents seem quite happy to let children way younger than 13 guzzle caffeinated, sugar-loaded soft drinks.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: ThePerilsOfDan on 04 Sep 2019, 06:50
I think I may have found my new favorite comic posting.

*Dora's red eyes = teh scary* =:O
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: JoeCovenant on 04 Sep 2019, 06:59
What's that brown thing stuck to the side of one of the cups???

Probably a tag to keep the tea bag from dropping to the bottom of the cup.

Which was, of course, my first thought... but it looks more like the tea BAG itself...
(Looks 3D not 2D)

But a tea bag hanging on the side of the cup would make no sense.. hence my question..

(And you know Jeph - if it had been a tag there would have been tiny writing on it making some tea-pun!)  :)

Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: hedgie on 04 Sep 2019, 07:34
I think I may have found my new favorite comic posting.

*Dora's red eyes = teh scary* =:O

Red eyes in morning, Fay should take warning.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: dutchrvl on 04 Sep 2019, 07:39
Probably a tag to keep the tea bag from dropping to the bottom of the cup.
Tea bag!? *shudder* Western barbarians...

As for the supposed evils of caffeine, parents seem quite happy to let children way younger than 13 guzzle caffeinated, sugar-loaded soft drinks.

Funny you should mention that.

I personally started drinking coffee at a very early age, around 3 years old, obviously initially small amounts with lots of milk, but normal cups with milk at around 6-7 years old. In the Netherlands btw, where coffee is very much ingrained and I think not unusually consumed by children (albeit not at such a young age).
When I tell that here (USA), people are generally shocked, which I find amusing when observing all the garbage they typically let their kids consume at an early age, including the drinks you mention (coincidentally I had almost zero carbonated and/or caffeinated soft drinks before middle school myself)
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: hedgie on 04 Sep 2019, 07:45
I drank coffee long before I did carbonated soft drinks,[1] starting about age six.  I went off coffee for a long time due to how it triggers my anxiety, but had to go back on caffeine because every non-controlled anxiety med either doesn't work on me, or knocks my arse out.

[1] When I was 2, I toddled to what became my first beer.  When the carbonation caused it to start coming out of my nose, I had a strong aversion to anything carbonated.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 04 Sep 2019, 07:58
Which was, of course, my first thought... but it looks more like the tea BAG itself...
(Looks 3D not 2D)

But a tea bag hanging on the side of the cup would make no sense.. hence my question..

Most coffee places usually leave the teabag in the cup, with the idea that you let it sit for your preferred taste. Considering that Sam was going to be taking the tea back to Union Robotics, it might have run the risk of getting steeped, which ruins the flavour. So, cup of hot water, tea bag hanging on the side and bring it back so that it can be appreciated fresh.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: sitnspin on 04 Sep 2019, 08:01
Bubbles doesn't actually drink the tea, so the flavour is inconsequential.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: msaroff on 04 Sep 2019, 08:02
In strip 4083, Fay is drinking Sam has ordered a drink for Faye called an, "Abomination".

What is it, and where can I get some?
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 04 Sep 2019, 08:03
Bubbles doesn't actually drink the tea, so the flavour is inconsequential.

True, but the scent of steeped tea is still powerful. Probably enough to ruin the visual profile Bubbles might build up.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: BenRG on 04 Sep 2019, 08:07
As I suspect that the tea is intended to anaesthetise Chimevera rather than for Bubbles, a stronger scent might be beneficial. Or it might knock her out so completely that Jones may need a hand truck to get her back to the lab.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: sitnspin on 04 Sep 2019, 08:12
In strip 4083, Fay is drinking Sam has ordered a drink for Faye called an, "Abomination".

What is it, and where can I get some?

I am picturing it as undiluted coffee concentrate. Which sounds utterly amazing and I may have to make one myself.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: hedgie on 04 Sep 2019, 08:24
I once worked at a place that had an off-menu drink called "The Heartstopper".  We had noticed that there was a section in the back of the fridge where things would freeze, so would take jugs full of espresso and just stick them back there, and pull off the ice.  Then refilled with more espresso, and so on.  The end drink contained a cup full of that, a touch of flavoured syrup, and some milk.  I once foolishly gave one to shut up this one kid because he kept on me about it, and how since he was Italian, that he could handle it.  Two days later, I find out that he still hadn't slept, and the girl he was dating at the time complained about other things not working either.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: Nepiophage on 04 Sep 2019, 09:10

What's that brown thing stuck to the side of one of the cups???
the paper label on the string of the tea bag.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: JoeCovenant on 04 Sep 2019, 09:34
Which was, of course, my first thought... but it looks more like the tea BAG itself...
(Looks 3D not 2D)

But a tea bag hanging on the side of the cup would make no sense.. hence my question..

Most coffee places usually leave the teabag in the cup, with the idea that you let it sit for your preferred taste. Considering that Sam was going to be taking the tea back to Union Robotics, it might have run the risk of getting steeped, which ruins the flavour. So, cup of hot water, tea bag hanging on the side and bring it back so that it can be appreciated fresh.

Yeah... I thought of that as well... but it doesn't work 'in reality'.
I've also never seen an establishment that does fruit teas or similar do such a thing.

I'm just gonna go with Jeph isn't a habitual tea drinker :)

(Me? I can't even stand the smell of Coffee... makes me feel physically sick.)
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: JoeCovenant on 04 Sep 2019, 09:35

What's that brown thing stuck to the side of one of the cups???
the paper label on the string of the tea bag.

See above!  :)
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: Marco on 04 Sep 2019, 10:22
Probably a tag to keep the tea bag from dropping to the bottom of the cup.
Tea bag!? *shudder* Western barbarians...

As for the supposed evils of caffeine, parents seem quite happy to let children way younger than 13 guzzle caffeinated, sugar-loaded soft drinks.

Funny you should mention that.

I personally started drinking coffee at a very early age, around 3 years old, obviously initially small amounts with lots of milk, but normal cups with milk at around 6-7 years old. In the Netherlands btw, where coffee is very much ingrained and I think not unusually consumed by children (albeit not at such a young age).
When I tell that here (USA), people are generally shocked, which I find amusing when observing all the garbage they typically let their kids consume at an early age, including the drinks you mention (coincidentally I had almost zero carbonated and/or caffeinated soft drinks before middle school myself)

The same here in Brasil. I have been drinking cofee my whole life - it's probably my main source of hydration. I got quite perplexed when I saw an american movie scene (can't remember what movie) where a father says "cofee is a drug. I don't give my kids drugs"! I can even drink cofee right before bedtime, with no noticeable effects on my sleep.

@Gus: yep, I'm an introvert too. And withdrawal headache is a bitch.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 04 Sep 2019, 10:22
In strip 4083, Fay is drinking Sam has ordered a drink for Faye called an, "Abomination".

What is it, and where can I get some?

Welcome, new person!

I read about one nerd whose standard breakfast in college was a glass of chocolate syrup with enough coffee added to counter the sweetness.

You could make the rounds of indy coffee shops in your town and ask what unusual things they have.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 04 Sep 2019, 10:30
Dang.
It didn't even need to be Faye's Favorite.

And someone will have a Demon-Eye Dora gravitar in 3.. 2.. 1..
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: Inconsequential on 04 Sep 2019, 11:09

What's that brown thing stuck to the side of one of the cups???


Teabag tag.



Since I'm here, I might as well ask a stupid question: where did the name "Chimevera" come from?

Did I miss something somewhere, or is this something the QC Hive Mind came up with?

/outoftheloop...
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: BenRG on 04 Sep 2019, 11:16
*Meekly raises hand*

I made up the name 'Chimevera'. As Jeph hasn't given her a canon name, most posters just started using it!
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: Dandi Andi on 04 Sep 2019, 14:28

What's that brown thing stuck to the side of one of the cups???

My coffee shop uses loose tea, but we put to-go orders in these tea bags (https://www.amazon.com/Rishi-Tea-Loose-Filter-100-Count/dp/B004NC7IFQ?SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q&tag=duckduckgo-d-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B004NC7IFQ) that have a long flap that hangs over the side of the cup. The lid then holds the bag in place and holds the top of the bag closed. We double the cup and tuck the flap between the cups. If Dora doesn't double the cups, that could be the flap of the bag. It could also be the bag held on the outside of the cup. It actually works quite well with that style of tea bag.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: Tova on 04 Sep 2019, 15:18
In strip 4083, Fay is drinking Sam has ordered a drink for Faye called an, "Abomination".

What is it, and where can I get some?

I am picturing it as undiluted coffee concentrate. Which sounds utterly amazing and I may have to make one myself.

You mean espresso?  :-D

And yeah, Ben is our official Hive Mind. Blame him.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: Gyrre on 04 Sep 2019, 17:40
Can Sam see forever (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3114)?
And will Jim be insisting on oatmeal (https://www.lackadaisy.com/exhibit.php?exhibitid=351)?
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: Penquin47 on 04 Sep 2019, 19:10
I would LOVE for May to have just walked in so she can short out at the irony of FAYE lecturing someone about bedside manner.

Faaaaaaaaaace meeeeeeeeeats.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: shanejayell on 04 Sep 2019, 19:41
That really was mean of Dora.

Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: Tova on 04 Sep 2019, 20:05
You’re just recycling jokes now.

Oh I just thought of something. Hang on.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: BenRG on 04 Sep 2019, 23:19
The disturbing thing about today's strip is, absent the caffeine buzz, this is more-or-less normal behaviour for Sam. Especially with the boundary violations and liking frankly icky stuff!

So, the question that needs to be asked is this: When and in what form will Faye's vengeance come?

I would LOVE for May to have just walked in so she can short out at the irony of FAYE lecturing someone about bedside manner.

Faaaaaaaaaace meeeeeeeeeats.

Bottom line is that Faye has actually come a long way since then, thanks to Bubbles. I also suspect not having to pretend she's an edgy criminal because of working in an underground operation may have also altered her professional behaviour somewhat.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: St.Clair on 05 Sep 2019, 01:03
"po bone"?

also, that is an interesting (if personal) question - what is the AI experience of chassis damage, something similar to humans or just a bunch of system alerts?
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: oddtail on 05 Sep 2019, 01:32
"po bone"?

also, that is an interesting (if personal) question - what is the AI experience of chassis damage, something similar to humans or just a bunch of system alerts?

The comic mentioned at one point that AI don't feel pain, although I *think* it may have been subsequently ignored as AI characters came to the fore-front (although it was never explicitly retconned away).

Based on how Bubbles describes olfactory sensations, my guess/headcanon would be "just a bunch of system alerts", but with the caveat that it still causes some significant mental discomfort. And possibly that AIs that are heavily integrated with their bodies do experience psychosomatic sensations that are not pain, but are comparable to it.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: Meander on 05 Sep 2019, 04:29
I once worked at a place that had an off-menu drink called "The Heartstopper".  We had noticed that there was a section in the back of the fridge where things would freeze, so would take jugs full of espresso and just stick them back there, and pull off the ice.  Then refilled with more espresso, and so on.  The end drink contained a cup full of that, a touch of flavoured syrup, and some milk.  I once foolishly gave one to shut up this one kid because he kept on me about it, and how since he was Italian, that he could handle it.  Two days later, I find out that he still hadn't slept, and the girl he was dating at the time complained about other things not working either.

That's brilliant!
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: BenRG on 05 Sep 2019, 04:42
The comic mentioned at one point that AI don't feel pain, although I *think* it may have been subsequently ignored as AI characters came to the fore-front (although it was never explicitly retconned away).

As far as I know, it's still established that the synthetics don't experience pain in the same way as humans. From Melon's experience with a melon baller, it is clear that they can even disregard damage warnings if they choose to do so. However, it is also clear that they are sophisticated enough that their subconscious processes can provide a purely-hallucinatory stimulus response analogous to pain, as with Roko and her feet.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: oddtail on 05 Sep 2019, 04:47
Based on how she reacts unusually to things that other AI navigate similarly to humans, Melon *does* seem to have altered cognition/perception compared to other AI, though. So it's possible that damage not bothering her is somewhat unusual.

But yes, clearly AI don't exactly experience physical damage as a debilitating shock to the system.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: JoeCovenant on 05 Sep 2019, 06:48

What's that brown thing stuck to the side of one of the cups???

My coffee shop uses loose tea, but we put to-go orders in these tea bags (https://www.amazon.com/Rishi-Tea-Loose-Filter-100-Count/dp/B004NC7IFQ?SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q&tag=duckduckgo-d-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B004NC7IFQ) that have a long flap that hangs over the side of the cup. The lid then holds the bag in place and holds the top of the bag closed. We double the cup and tuck the flap between the cups. If Dora doesn't double the cups, that could be the flap of the bag. It could also be the bag held on the outside of the cup. It actually works quite well with that style of tea bag.

There we go!
There's an answer I can get on board with.
Makes sense in context.. looks BLOODY weird!!!!  :)

Cheers!
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: Thrudd on 05 Sep 2019, 06:50
In strip 4083, Fay is drinking Sam has ordered a drink for Faye called an, "Abomination".

What is it, and where can I get some?
A quick and shallow web search resulted in the following
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: sitnspin on 05 Sep 2019, 08:25
Folgers is an abomination in all its forms.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 05 Sep 2019, 09:15
"po bone"?

also, that is an interesting (if personal) question - what is the AI experience of chassis damage, something similar to humans or just a bunch of system alerts?

There was a Q&A with Jeph where he said they don't feel pain like we do ("They're computers" or something very close to that). It was long enough ago that it may no longer be canon.

Those system alerts had better be high priority.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: jesslc on 05 Sep 2019, 09:40

What's that brown thing stuck to the side of one of the cups???
the paper label on the string of the tea bag.
It looks too big relative to the size of the cup to be the paper tag on a tea bag.

I actually assumed it was a hand scribbled label to distinguish the "abomination" from the other two coffees (and the tea in the larger cup). It's only after reading the comments here that I realised the brown thing could be a teabag which is not yet in the water to avoid oversteeping. I guess it makes sense that the abomination would be the larger one - that said, Dora's words implied that it's much stronger than a regular coffee so it wouldn't necessarily need to be a bigger size as well.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: hedgie on 05 Sep 2019, 10:43
Those system alerts had better be high priority.

"High Priority" is what the sysadmin (in this case, the AI in question) says it is.  I'd hope that they had the capacity to ignore, or at least lower the priority of such alerts in order to say, have surgery (no need for anesthetic) or to function without alerts causing a potentially dangerous distraction.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: brasca on 05 Sep 2019, 11:01
If Sam were anymore hyper she’d fashion her shirt into a hoodie and declare herself the Great Cornholio.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: Roborat on 05 Sep 2019, 11:36
"po bone"?

I was wondering about that also.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 05 Sep 2019, 17:21
Those system alerts had better be high priority.

"High Priority" is what the sysadmin (in this case, the AI in question) says it is.  I'd hope that they had the capacity to ignore, or at least lower the priority of such alerts in order to say, have surgery (no need for anesthetic) or to function without alerts causing a potentially dangerous distraction.

Lordie I wish I could do that.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: Tova on 05 Sep 2019, 19:05
Those system alerts had better be high priority.

"High Priority" is what the sysadmin (in this case, the AI in question) says it is.  I'd hope that they had the capacity to ignore, or at least lower the priority of such alerts in order to say, have surgery (no need for anesthetic) or to function without alerts causing a potentially dangerous distraction.

What you're talking about is essentially an AI analog of anesthetic.

You seem to be advocating for an AI to be able to turn off pain response at will. I don't think that you've really thought through the inevitable consequences of people having the capacity to simply turn off the pain response to injury without trained medical intervention.

Pain isn't just an alert system. It motivates a response.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: Inconsequential on 05 Sep 2019, 19:28
*Meekly raises hand*

I made up the name 'Chimevera'. As Jeph hasn't given her a canon name, most posters just started using it!

Thanks for the clarification. Seems more polite than calling her "Greenie".



And in today's strip... AI surgery. Looks like AIs can definitely turn off their "pain" or "discomfort" or "damage reports" or whatever as needed.

I really like how the AI bodies in these strips have so many analogues to human muscles and systems with myomers for muscles, lubrication lines, coolant pumps, carbon fiber bones, etc. There's a lot of good engineering in humans. It'd be a shame to let it go to waste.

There's a lot of WTF engineering in humans, too... hopefully they left a lot of that out. The ability to shut off pain when you need to would be pretty sweet.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: DSL on 05 Sep 2019, 19:35
This day's strip needs a soundtrack (https://youtu.be/xthn6syCvf8).

EDITED for a better arrangement.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: Somebody on 05 Sep 2019, 19:52
Let's be honest here - Dr Greenie should probably have just turned herself off for the duration.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: brasca on 05 Sep 2019, 20:34
I know Faye is operating on her leg, but it looks and sounds like she’s got her hands some place else.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: Gyrre on 05 Sep 2019, 20:48
*Meekly raises hand*

I made up the name 'Chimevera'. As Jeph hasn't given her a canon name, most posters just started using it!

Thanks for the clarification. Seems more polite than calling her "Greenie".



And in today's strip... AI surgery. Looks like AIs can definitely turn off their "pain" or "discomfort" or "damage reports" or whatever as needed.

I really like how the AI bodies in these strips have so many analogues to human muscles and systems with myomers for muscles, lubrication lines, coolant pumps, carbon fiber bones, etc. There's a lot of good engineering in humans. It'd be a shame to let it go to waste.

There's a lot of WTF engineering in humans, too... hopefully they left a lot of that out. The ability to shut off pain when you need to would be pretty sweet.
Agreed.
Especially on the WTF engineering. (http://www.threepanelsoul.com/comic/on-design-by-committee)
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 05 Sep 2019, 21:24
Come to think of it, humans have an equivalent of turning off distractions from damage sensors when the situation is critical.

I hit pavement from a dead sprint and broke my humerus in two places running from a mugger. Didn't feel a thing. At the time.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: BenRG on 05 Sep 2019, 23:22
Having minor (or even moderate) surgery under limited anaesthetic so you don't lose consciousness sounds a great idea right up until you realise that you will be hearing the surgeon work and their thoughts on the matter. Which may or may not be the sort of thing that is good for your peace of mind. As a rule for humans, we prefer to think of our bodies as integrated structures. Most people don't like hearing about their component parts and their condition and it seems that Chimevera is of the same opinion!

What makes me laugh is the way Faye is talking like a barber rather than a surgeon. Come to think of it, historically the two were the same. Is medicine for AIs following the same historical path as that for humans?

Meanwhile, I'm expecting Sam to black out in the next few minutes and sleep for the rest of the day. Jim is going to likely have some words for Dora and none of them will be nice to hear.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: SordidEuphemism on 06 Sep 2019, 03:08
I hit pavement from a dead sprint and broke my humerus in two places running from a mugger. Didn't feel a thing. At the time.

<grouchomarx>
"I'll bet you never go those two places again!"
"Doesn't sound very funny to me!"
</grouchomarx>

Hope it healed well! <3
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: Case on 06 Sep 2019, 05:21
Black hole Sun
Won't you come?

I'll punch you in
the face!

Black hole Sun
Won't you come?

Won't you come ...
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: JoeCovenant on 06 Sep 2019, 05:38

The sun has got its hat on.

Punch-it-in-the-face!

The sun has got its hat on, so let's punch it in the face!
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: Mordhaus on 06 Sep 2019, 15:14
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: Gyrre on 06 Sep 2019, 20:39
Having minor (or even moderate) surgery under limited anaesthetic so you don't lose consciousness sounds a great idea right up until you realise that you will be hearing the surgeon work and their thoughts on the matter. Which may or may not be the sort of thing that is good for your peace of mind. As a rule for humans, we prefer to think of our bodies as integrated structures. Most people don't like hearing about their component parts and their condition and it seems that Chimevera is of the same opinion!

What makes me laugh is the way Faye is talking like a barber rather than a surgeon. Come to think of it, historically the two were the same. Is medicine for AIs following the same historical path as that for humans?

Meanwhile, I'm expecting Sam to black out in the next few minutes and sleep for the rest of the day. Jim is going to likely have some words for Dora and none of them will be nice to hear.

Also, there's the smell(s). Bone heating up as it's being drilled into is quite unpleasant.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 07 Sep 2019, 11:01
I hit pavement from a dead sprint and broke my humerus in two places running from a mugger. Didn't feel a thing. At the time.

<grouchomarx>
"I'll bet you never go those two places again!"
"Doesn't sound very funny to me!"
</grouchomarx>

Hope it healed well! <3

Thank you! Without complications, but required extensive rehab.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: Gyrre on 07 Sep 2019, 14:25
I bet.

Makes me thankfully I've only cracked two molars.

EDIT; 'to, too, two'
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: OldGoat on 08 Sep 2019, 22:55
"po bone"?

also, that is an interesting (if personal) question - what is the AI experience of chassis damage, something similar to humans or just a bunch of system alerts?

There was a Q&A with Jeph where he said they don't feel pain like we do ("They're computers" or something very close to that). It was long enough ago that it may no longer be canon.

Those system alerts had better be high priority.

What Spookybot did to Corpse Witch sure looked like pain was being inflicted, and Corpse Witch responded like pain had been inflicted.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
Post by: Wingy on 09 Sep 2019, 06:12
What Spookybot did to Corpse Witch sure looked like pain was being inflicted, and Corpse Witch responded like pain had been inflicted.
And Momo did it to May.  But if you were an AI and randomized voltages lashed your processor inputs, causing multiple internal restarts and who knows whatever other badness, why wouldn't you interpret that as pain?

Having been bitten many times doing wiring and other electrical projects, it sure hurts non-AI life...