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Title: The Mandalorian
Post by: RedWolf4 on 14 Nov 2019, 06:24
So I watched it, and was actually pleasantly surprised to actually enjoy it. Anyone else have a gander yet?
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: JoeCovenant on 15 Nov 2019, 05:32
Yep.
Thought it delivered on all fronts.
A better "Star Wars" than the current trilogy.
Second only to Rogue One in the 'post original' line up.

My only problem was I found the music to be a bit.. off... especially the "Beastie-riding" scene...

Other than that - looking forward to more!
(I have spoken!)
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: BenRG on 15 Nov 2019, 06:19
My only problem was I found the music to be a bit.. off... especially the "Beastie-riding" scene...

Other reviewers have also stated that the music is 'not nearly Williams enough'.
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: RedWolf4 on 15 Nov 2019, 18:55
Eh, I'm ok with the music not being Williams, but yeah it does need to find it's feet in that regard a little.

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Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: Blue Kitty on 16 Nov 2019, 11:04
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: Method of Madness on 18 Nov 2019, 05:28
Really enjoying it so far.

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Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: BenRG on 18 Nov 2019, 05:37
Sheev Palpatine's 'new order' did only last about two decades, yes. Mostly because it was entirely arranged around him as a person and single leading figure.
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: Case on 18 Nov 2019, 11:32
Werner Herzog plays the Villain?  :-D

Now here's a good idea ...

(Always wondered who is more nuts: He, or his preferred partner in crime, Klaus Kinski ...)
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: cybersmurf on 19 Nov 2019, 09:32
Werner Herzog plays the Villain?  :-D

First of all: as far as Hollywood is concerned, Germans may be seconds to only the brits as villains, if at all.

Secondly: ermahgerd I keep forgetting how much I love that velvety voice.
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: Case on 22 Nov 2019, 08:52
Werner Herzog plays the Villain?  :-D

First of all: as far as Hollywood is concerned, Germans may be seconds to only the brits as villains, if at all.

[Gerd Fröbe-voice] No really, Mr Bond? [/Gerd Fröbe-voice]

Secondly: ermahgerd I keep forgetting how much I love that velvety voice.

Have you seen 'Geliebter Feind', his tribute/documentary to Klaus Kinski?

Herzog has the demeanor of a small-town Gymnasium teacher, but by the time he admits to that one night where he grabbed a gun & went to find Kinski, you start to have some serious questions about that harmless facade...

I mean... Kinski was obviously, literally howling, barking mad - but Herzog spent months in the jungle with that madman, and did it twice.
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: Blue Kitty on 23 Nov 2019, 04:21
Werner Herzog plays the Villain?  :-D

First of all: as far as Hollywood is concerned, Germans may be seconds to only the brits as villains, if at all.

Secondly: ermahgerd I keep forgetting how much I love that velvety voice.

And sometimes it's a Brit playing a German
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: TheEvilDog on 23 Nov 2019, 09:18
Looking at you Jeremy Irons and Alan Rickman.
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: BenRG on 23 Nov 2019, 10:52
And Darren Nesbitt (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Where_Eagles_Dare)!
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: Method of Madness on 23 Nov 2019, 16:53
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Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: RedWolf4 on 23 Nov 2019, 19:22
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Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: cybersmurf on 25 Nov 2019, 02:30
Why do I keep forgetting watching this show as early as possible?


Looking at you Jeremy Irons and Alan Rickman.


Sounds like you're a die hard fan of those two.
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Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: Theta9 on 28 Nov 2019, 08:04
Looking at you Jeremy Irons and Alan Rickman.
I love those movies. Both of them.
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: Method of Madness on 28 Nov 2019, 14:36
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Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: cybersmurf on 29 Nov 2019, 00:01
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Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: JoeCovenant on 29 Nov 2019, 04:56
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Disney's timeline puts Mandalorian 10 years after ANH.
About 25 years before TFA.

Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: Blue Kitty on 29 Nov 2019, 08:01
One thing I gotta look into is just what a Mandalorian is. In Knights of the Old Republic is seems like they are a people but more of a conglomerate of people, much like the republic itself. In Clone Wars it's an actual planet and the citizens there are Mandalorians. In this it just seems like a faith or religion

There was the great Mandalorian/Jedi War way back in the time of the Old Republic era games, and the Mandalorian talks about a purge, so maybe now it's more like the Jedi order during the original film years?
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: JoeCovenant on 29 Nov 2019, 08:28
One thing I gotta look into is just what a Mandalorian is. In Knights of the Old Republic is seems like they are a people but more of a conglomerate of people, much like the republic itself. In Clone Wars it's an actual planet and the citizens there are Mandalorians. In this it just seems like a faith or religion

There was the great Mandalorian/Jedi War way back in the time of the Old Republic era games, and the Mandalorian talks about a purge, so maybe now it's more like the Jedi order during the original film years?

Theirs is a strange and complex history... :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandalorian
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: RedWolf4 on 29 Nov 2019, 18:27
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Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: Theta9 on 30 Nov 2019, 17:14
Finally watched the first 4 at my cousin's house this weekend. Episode 4 is basically a rehash of the plot of many an American western.
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: Theta9 on 02 Dec 2019, 12:37
Disney's timeline puts Mandalorian 10 years after ANH.
About 25 years before TFA.
Given that they say in the first episode that the Empire is gone, it's obviously post-RotJ.
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: JoeCovenant on 03 Dec 2019, 04:13
Finally watched the first 4 at my cousin's house this weekend. Episode 4 is basically a rehash of the plot of many an American western.

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I'm still finding some of the musical choices quite jarring though.
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: BenRG on 03 Dec 2019, 05:21
Finally watched the first 4 at my cousin's house this weekend. Episode 4 is basically a rehash of the plot of many an American western.

From the first trailers, I knew it was going to be a space opera version of the Ennio Morricone westerns! Re-imagining stories from other genres into Space Opera has been the forte of Star Wars from the start!
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: Tova on 03 Dec 2019, 05:22
Totally agree. This is in the spirit of Star Wars.
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: Theta9 on 03 Dec 2019, 09:17
The Mandalorian with No Name.  :-D
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: RedWolf4 on 03 Dec 2019, 15:18
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Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: Case on 06 Dec 2019, 18:14
The Mandalorian with No Name.  :-D

A Coffin Full of Credits.
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: RedWolf4 on 06 Dec 2019, 21:37
The Good, The Bad and the Ugnaught.

I Have Spoken.
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: Blue Kitty on 07 Dec 2019, 08:54
A Fistful of Beskar

or

A Few Beskar More
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: Theta9 on 07 Dec 2019, 10:17
Yomando.
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: Blue Kitty on 08 Dec 2019, 06:09
If they don't have an episode based on that I will be disappointed
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: Theta9 on 08 Dec 2019, 09:54
If they don't have an episode based on that I will be disappointed
what, Yomando?
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: JoeCovenant on 09 Dec 2019, 08:53

A Million Ways to Die in the West-ern Spiral Arm of the Galaxy.
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: Theta9 on 09 Dec 2019, 15:10

A Million Ways to Die in the West-ern Spiral Arm of the Galaxy a Galaxy Far, Far Away.

Fixed that for you.  :-D
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: Blue Kitty on 09 Dec 2019, 16:12
If they don't have an episode based on that I will be disappointed
what, Yomando?

Yeah, a Yojimbo homage would be great

How about A Million Ways to Die in the Outer Rim?
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: JoeCovenant on 10 Dec 2019, 04:21

A Million Ways to Die in the West-ern Spiral Arm of the Galaxy a Galaxy Far, Far Away.

Fixed that for you.  :-D

Goddamit you're absolutely right!  :)
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: RedWolf4 on 19 Dec 2019, 14:17
Ugh, damn you ROTS pre-release!! Making me wait all of the days after that spectacular cliffhanger.
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: TheEvilDog on 19 Dec 2019, 14:36
Spoiler alert!
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Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: RedWolf4 on 19 Dec 2019, 17:22
Take your like and get the f*** out.
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: JoeCovenant on 20 Dec 2019, 02:50
Spoiler alert!
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THANKS, OBAMA !!!!
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: TheEvilDog on 20 Dec 2019, 16:31
You guys are just jealous of my spoiler finding abilities like this one!
Spoiler!
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Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: RedWolf4 on 21 Dec 2019, 02:22
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Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: TheEvilDog on 21 Dec 2019, 09:29
The greatest teacher, failure is.
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Post by: RedWolf4 on 21 Dec 2019, 16:39
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Post by: RedWolf4 on 23 Dec 2019, 08:53
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Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: Tova on 24 Dec 2019, 19:54
I'm finally catching up with this series. Loving it of course. Don't really understand the problem people are having with the music though. It's got a solid spaghetti western/scifi vibe.
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: JoeCovenant on 27 Dec 2019, 02:58
I'm finally catching up with this series. Loving it of course. Don't really understand the problem people are having with the music though. It's got a solid spaghetti western/scifi vibe.

(Holds up hand) Guilty!

Mostly the music is fine...

It's just every now and then it's like they forget to stop the runtee-tuntee-tunteee music when the action is over.
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: RedWolf4 on 27 Dec 2019, 04:30
So uh, episode 8 am I right?

I laughed, I cried, I screamed. They ended that season SO DAMN WELL.
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: Tova on 27 Dec 2019, 06:29
Very satisfying.

It's just every now and then it's like they forget to stop the runtee-tuntee-tunteee music when the action is over.

Oh right? Can you point to an example, out of curiosity?

Edit: Looking around seems to confirm Ben's comment that a bunch of people don't like it because it's not John Williams.

Expecations, man. >.>
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: Tova on 28 Dec 2019, 07:53
This is the way.

Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: JoeCovenant on 30 Dec 2019, 05:51
Very satisfying.

It's just every now and then it's like they forget to stop the runtee-tuntee-tunteee music when the action is over.

Oh right? Can you point to an example, out of curiosity?

Edit: Looking around seems to confirm Ben's comment that a bunch of people don't like it because it's not John Williams.

Expecations, man. >.>

Eeeeshhh.. I'd have to have an episode on to give you a precise point... And I mostly  - (almost exclusively)  - log into here from my work PC! :)

I DO remember it in the first episode being a bit jarring, and in subsequent eps (not every one!) there are occasions when I'm like.. "Umm... shouldn't that have stopped by now?"

I've no real problems with the actual music itself... just the actual cues occasionally seem a bit off.
(Doesn't bother me one bit about Williams not being involved.)

Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: Method of Madness on 31 Dec 2019, 05:07
I for one like the music.
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: LeeC on 28 Jul 2020, 20:09
So there are talks of having Luke and
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show up in the Mandalorian season 3...
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: BenRG on 28 Jul 2020, 23:05
If this rumour is borne out, the parallel rumour about the coming 'decanonisation' of the SW Sequel Trilogy may also be true.
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: Tova on 28 Jul 2020, 23:22
How do you figure that?
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: BenRG on 29 Jul 2020, 00:01
Mostly drawing inferences from the absence of Mara or any mention of her in the ST. However, as has been rumoured, Rebels Season 4 will include Luke, Ashoka and Ezra averting Palpatine's escape to Exogol thanks to a time-travelling plane of the Force, then it would explain how Mara would suddenly reappear in the timeline (No Palpatine hovering in the background to directly control her).
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: Gyrre on 17 Aug 2020, 08:42
Mostly drawing inferences from the absence of Mara or any mention of her in the ST. However, as has been rumoured, Rebels Season 4 will include Luke, Ashoka and Ezra averting Palpatine's escape to Exogol thanks to a time-travelling plane of the Force, then it would explain how Mara would suddenly reappear in the timeline (No Palpatine hovering in the background to directly control her).
If it gives thr finger to multiple bad executive decisions in handling the franchise, I don't care how they pull it off.
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: Tova on 17 Aug 2020, 16:12
The fan base got what they deserved in the end, IMO.
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: Gyrre on 17 Aug 2020, 21:40
The fan base got what they deserved in the end, IMO.

I've only heard horror stories of the E.U. continuity wars. Was it really that bad?
[I know trying to mash elements of all of them together is half the reason the prequel trilogy is a mess.]
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: TheEvilDog on 19 Aug 2020, 05:06
The fan base got what they deserved in the end, IMO.

I've only heard horror stories of the E.U. continuity wars. Was it really that bad?
[I know trying to mash elements of all of them together is half the reason the prequel trilogy is a mess.]

Depends on how you define bad. Barely any oversight meant that any number of writers had carte blanche to work on Star Wars. Some stories worked because they packed a punch (Death of Chewbacca, or Darth Vader remembering C-3PO spring to mind) and introduced classic characters, like Admiral Thrawn.

Then you get moments like the Lepi (https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Lepi/Legends).

So yeah, the EU was great and also terrible.
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: BenRG on 19 Aug 2020, 05:25
Yeah, there are some top-notch stories in the EU and then there are some things that must have sounded great in the pitch meeting but never really worked out. Like the Ssi-Ruuk (the one-shot antagonists in Siege at Bakura), who were trailed as this super-villains who would make the Sith look like toddlers but were basically wiped out in one book. Then there is the Dark Empire spur timeline, the less about which I say the better other than this is the EU foundation for the Sequel Trilogy.

Then you get moments like the Lepi (https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Lepi/Legends).

Wait, did they get permission to use Bucky O'Hare (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucky_O%27Hare)?
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: JoeCovenant on 19 Aug 2020, 06:25
Yeah, there are some top-notch stories in the EU and then there are some things that must have sounded great in the pitch meeting but never really worked out. Like the Ssi-Ruuk (the one-shot antagonists in Siege at Bakura), who were trailed as this super-villains who would make the Sith look like toddlers but were basically wiped out in one book. Then there is the Dark Empire spur timeline, the less about which I say the better other than this is the EU foundation for the Sequel Trilogy.

Then you get moments like the Lepi (https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Lepi/Legends).

Wait, did they get permission to use Bucky O'Hare (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucky_O%27Hare)?

That was my first thought.
But, reading the article, seems the Lepi were precursors TO Bucky...!
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: Method of Madness on 02 Sep 2020, 11:40
If this rumour is borne out, the parallel rumour about the coming 'decanonisation' of the SW Sequel Trilogy may also be true.
That makes no sense. Movies are top-tier canon. I get making Mandalorian a separate canon, but saying that Episodes VII-IX are somehow not canon is foolish.
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: TheEvilDog on 03 Sep 2020, 00:36
Ah....no. Movies aren't "top-tier canon". Movies, like any other form of media, are subject to their owners about what becomes canon and what gets put into a pile on the side of the road. After all, Disney paid billions for Star Wars, then decided to throw out 40 years of material because they wanted their own thing.

Now, don't get me wrong about the movies, they're certainly the first place people should look when they discuss canon. And they're certainly good for helping Disney do what it does best, make a fortune from the merchandising, but at the end of the day movies can be quietly forgotten about.

At the end of the day, Disney has far too much money invested in what is one of the most recognisable brands in history. Star Wars will always make them money (Solo being one of the exceptions). So no, Disney won't decanonise their trilogy, but they will let it wither away on the vine while they work on something else.
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: BenRG on 03 Sep 2020, 01:18
It should also be noted that, after the success of The Force Awakens in all its aspects, The Last Jedi did not follow its theatrical success with post-theatrical merchandising, theme park and home entertainment sales (nearly bankrupting chief toy licensee Hasbro in the process) and The Rise of Skywalker did even worse. Overall the Sequel Trilogy barely breaks even and this is mostly because of the increasingly ambivalent fan reaction to it. So, quietly forgetting the entire thing and going along a different post-Return of the Jedi path. to attempt to restore the franchise's profitability is entirely plausible.

The Mandelorian has been a rare unqualified Disney-era success story and it has been somewhat funny watching everyone at Lucasfilm, especially Ms Kennedy's inner circle, who disliked the show from its initial pitch, all claiming credit for it.
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: Tova on 03 Sep 2020, 01:56
Ah....no. Movies aren't "top-tier canon".
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Now, don't get me wrong about the movies, they're certainly the first place people should look when they discuss canon.

Isn't that precisely what Mr Madness meant by the phrase "top-tier canon"? That they are the first place people should look when they discuss [Star Wars] canon?

I get that you all hate VII - IX and would like that canon to be scrapped, but for now at least, this is where we are.

People place a little too much importance on what is canon and what isn't, in my opinion. I think I've ranted about this before. If there are stories you don't like, feel free to just ignore them. And love the Mandalorian - I certainly do. As Method says - they're separate stories, just like the newest films and the novels that came before them. There's no point in fighting over which of them 'really happened' because, you know, none of them really happened.

I truly hope to FSM that Disney never makes another story that hinges in some important way on the events of VII - IV. That story should be done.

And they're certainly good for helping Disney do what it does best, make a fortune from the merchandising,...

I will never cease to be amused by this commonly made slam on Disney, as if Star Wars hasn't made a fortune from merchandising from the very beginning (as famously mocked by Spaceballs).
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: TheEvilDog on 03 Sep 2020, 03:01
Star Wars has, but if you look at Disney over the last 20 plus years, they don't make films just to make them. Nowadays, films from Disney are pretty much a massive marketing campaign. Look at one of the biggest examples in the last few years, Frozen. Yes, Frozen made $1.27 billion in the box office, but where Disney really made a fortune was $5 billion in merchandising in 2014, alone.

Lets put it another way, The Force Awakens made just over $2 billion in the box office. TFA merchandising alone was $6 billion. The combined box office of the sequel trilogy was nearly $4.5 billion. The merchandising of one just film made more money for Disney than the three films, and paid off the initial investment. This isn't a new phenomenon, historically Star Wars merchandise has always made more than a film, usually on the order of 3 to 4 times what the film makes.

Disney knew what they were doing when they bought Star Wars. They weren't buying the rights for the films, they were buying the ability to print money by slapping the Star Wars brand on anything they want.
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: Tova on 03 Sep 2020, 03:04
No shit, Sherlock.
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: BenRG on 03 Sep 2020, 03:29
Disney knew what they were doing when they bought Star Wars. They weren't buying the rights for the films, they were buying the ability to print money by slapping the Star Wars brand on anything they want.

Only to learn, much to their horror, that they hadn't. What they instead had bought was a potential market that would only be worth anything so long as they pleased their customers, who tended to be very picky about 'their' franchise and how its iconography was treated by its owners.
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: Tova on 03 Sep 2020, 05:04
IMO they were far too aware of the need to please their customers, and their repeated changes in course in a misguided effort to create fan service resulted in a jumbled mess.

If they'd let the creative people they hired come up with a vision and stick with it, we would still have furious fans, but at least the story would be cohesive.

I worry that The Mandalorian season two (it's that thing this thread is talking about, remember) will succumb to a similar fate.
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: Blue Kitty on 05 Sep 2020, 19:24
Folks are calling for Rosario Dawson to be taken off the Mandalorian season 2 because of some transphobic comments she made
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: Tova on 05 Sep 2020, 19:51
Do you have any details? Or are you spreading an unverified rumour?

Also, it's a little late in the day to drop Ahsoka Tano, isn't it? 30th October is the release date. The post production team are almost certainly already under the gun, particularly having to work socially distanced/isolated.

Also also, really? Rosario Dawson?
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: sitnspin on 05 Sep 2020, 22:18
I haven't seen anything to back up that accusation, but if you have a source I am willing to listen.
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: Tova on 05 Sep 2020, 22:50
I do not. Your post is the first I've heard of it.
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: Tova on 05 Sep 2020, 23:02
So I guess, for anyone else following along at home, the hastag to search for is #rosariodawsonisoverparty. Which implies a certain joyful malice (based on, as far as I can tell, an unverified rumour) that will almost certainly find its way into another post of mine on a thread over there somewhere *waves vaguely towards DISCUSS*.
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: sitnspin on 05 Sep 2020, 23:22
One bazillion dollars says that the rumour was started by someone who gives zero fucks about trans people.
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: Method of Madness on 06 Sep 2020, 12:15
Weren't she and her family accused last year of literally assaulting a trans man?
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: Blue Kitty on 06 Sep 2020, 15:04
Weren't she and her family accused last year of literally assaulting a trans man?

Yep (https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/rosario-dawson-her-family-sued-over-alleged-transphobic-assault-n1069756), the hashtag is how I found out about it though
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: sitnspin on 06 Sep 2020, 16:39
Fair enough. Any follow up on the outcome of the suit? The article is from almost a year ago. If the accusation is true, then it's disgusting and I am deeply disappointed.
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: Tova on 06 Sep 2020, 16:51
Not that I've been able to find. I guess that means it is ongoing. If it had been settled, for example, then that would have been a story.
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: Theta9 on 09 Sep 2020, 19:38
Something just occurred t me today...

Jango Fett (and his clone-son Boba) are Mandalorians, right? They wore the armor.

Yet we see Jango out of his armor in Episode 2.  :?
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: Farideh on 09 Sep 2020, 21:30
Not according to Wookieepedia (https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Jango_Fett):


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Although Fett wore Mandalorian armor, the government of Mandalore saw him as nothing more than a common mercenary and insisted he had no actual ties to the Mandalorians.
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: snubnose on 10 Sep 2020, 07:07
The only complaint I have about season one was the relatively short episodes. That hurt some of the storylines.

Otherwise its a great piece of Star Wars, on level with the best stuff (to me thats the original Triology, the Star Wars: Knights of the Republic game, partially also the prequels, and maybe also the Clone Wars tv show).

I am optimistic about the second season. Sure, I wouldnt be too surprised if it goes wrong. This is Disney. Meddling of the management isnt out of the question. But there is really no need for doom and gloom before something actually goes wrong.

That Dawson problem sounds serious. But if they cant get Dawson, theres other great artists to take her place. Thats shouldnt be too much of a problem for the show.


P.s.: Ah yes, Frozen. I dont get why that movie was so successful. Its really not much of a movie. The solution of the main problem of the plot goes away all by itself.
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: sitnspin on 10 Sep 2020, 07:36
The great things about Frozen were the characters, the relationships, the subversion of tropes, and the queer allegory. The plot itself was relatively inconsequential.
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: hedgie on 10 Sep 2020, 14:55
Hell, a number of Ghibli films are entirely driven by the characters rather than some sort of epic plot.
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: TheEvilDog on 10 Sep 2020, 15:32
Its almost as if character driven stories can have greater depth than a "story" with all the emotional depth of a half dried puddle.
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: Tova on 10 Sep 2020, 20:08
P.s.: Ah yes, Frozen. I dont get why that movie was so successful.

Maybe because it was loved by I guess millions of children, idk. But as others rightly pointed out, if you view it through the lens of a character-driven story rather than a plot-driven one, you'll see how the central conflict does not in fact go away all by itself.

But I believe we were bashing Disney[1] talking about The Mandalorian.

[1] Maybe we need a thread for that.
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: Blue Kitty on 11 Sep 2020, 06:08
Not according to Wookieepedia (https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Jango_Fett):


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Although Fett wore Mandalorian armor, the government of Mandalore saw him as nothing more than a common mercenary and insisted he had no actual ties to the Mandalorians.

It's always been weird,  it's gone back and forth who or what is a Mandalorian. From being a people with a concrete planet, to a massive empire/army that could go toe-to-toe with the Jedi, to a religious order, and they seem to cycle through the 3 every few years
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: BenRG on 11 Sep 2020, 07:19
FWIW, It's sort of a mix of all of them.

The first thing to remember is that the timeline of the Star Wars Legends universe is immensely long. In terms of geopolitics, its earliest fixed point is the foundation of the Galactic Republic about 25,000 years before the Battle of Yavin, when the Humans and Duros were able to force unification on all the space-faring races of the Core sectors of the galaxy in the chaos that had followed the collapse of the Rakatan Infinite Empire. This collapse was caused when the non-human Rakatan's synthetic Force-using technology became increasingly corrupted by the Dark Side, leading to a racial mass-psychosis (imagine a species who were all behaving like a Sith towards each other).

The following 25 millennia is marked by a series of long, stable epochs under some form of republic punctuated by a collapse into galactic war. These wars were usually in some way characterised by conflicts between acolytes of order (the Light Side of the Force) and of chaos (the Dark Side of the Force) who, no matter what name they chose, were recognisably Jedi and Sith. The actual 'Sith' were the ruling dynasty of warrior-priests from the planet Korriban who were all-but eradicated at the end of the catacylsmic Great Hyperspace War of around 5000BBY. Many of the Dark Side factions seem to have been in some way empowered or influenced by remaining Dark Side-corrupted Rakatan artefacts such as the Star Forge, misidentified by many as the planet Exogol.

The Mandalorians first appear in galactic history in about 7000BBY under a warlord known only as Mandelore. It is not certain if they actually originate from the planet and sector that bears that name. However, they were also something of a cult-like multi-species culture, embracing as brothers and sisters any who would adopt their strict code of martial honour, chauvanism and conquest. From their first appearance in the galactic stage in the 8th Millennium, they were imperialists, seeking to unite the galaxy in a war they called The Great Mandelorian Crusade. They were rightly feared for their Viking/Klingon-like culture deifying war, conquest, pillage and slavery for all who were not of their culture. The Empire reached its high point in the 5th millennium when, during an attempt to conquer the Teta Sector, they encountered a rogue Jedi, now styling himself as a Sith Lord, named Exar Kun. Kun killed the then-reigning Mandelore and claimed control of the Mandelorian culture for himself. As succession-by-single combat was a long tradition, no-one questioned his right to do so.

This represented a cultural disaster for the Mandalorians, who were used by Kun as his disposable shock-troops throughout the resulting Great Sith War. After Kun was disembodied by the Jedi Master Nomi Sunrider, the Mandelorians were led a series of false self-declared 'Mandelores' in charge who led them in increasingly purposeless and destructive 'crusades'. It was whilst countering these increasingly-purposeless genocidal pillages (twenty years after Exar Kun's effective death, in the early 4th Millennium) that a Jedi Knight named Darth Revan was driven into the arms of the Dark Side by the horrors the Mandelorians were inflicting on innocents. Revan would come the closet any Sith Lord before Sheev Palpatine would come to ruling the galaxy, all but annihilating the Jedi Order and crushing the Republic (along with the Mandelorians, for whom they had a special hatred). Revan stripped the Mandelorians of their military might, forbade the wearing of their traditional armour and restricted them to their ancestral homeworlds in the Mandelore sector.

It is in this post-Revan form that we see the Mandelorians in the Clone Wars animated TV series. Although many cults like the Death Watch seek to restore their pre-Revan ways, most of the documentation is lost and the traditions forgotten and they are little more than pillaging thugs deluding themselves that they are some kind of romantic knights of a lost order of chivalry. The memory of their enslavement by Exar Kun and their humiliation and near-obliteration by Darth Revan have left deep cultural scars and those of the Mandelorians who seek to restore their people to the Old Ways despise Force Adepts of all traditions. However, the vast majority of the Mandelorians (descended from the human and human-like clans of the old Mandelorian Empire) are a modern galactic civilisation with a ruling council appointed by the clan leaderships, a strong civil society with law enforcement and universal education and live mostly at peace.

Sequel Trilogy AU
Daisy Ridley has recently confirmed that J J Abrams' original plan for the Sequel Trilogy called for Rey to be the granddaughter of Obi-Wan Kenobi. The only woman with whom he had a sufficiently close relationship for there to have been a child was Satine Kryze, the Duchess of the Mandelorians during the Clone Wars (they met several times during their respective youths and she was very much Obi-Wan's Padme Amidala). It is believed that their son, Rey's father in this original version of the character's story, was Korkie Kryze and that The Mandelorian may turn out to be that young man, hiding from his many enemies under a false identity.

If he is Korkie, then the Darksaber, the ultraviolet-bladed laser sword seen in the last episode of season 1, is his ancestral birthright. Yes, I know, the magical sword of the king. Since when has Star Wars been able to resist something like that?
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Post by: Method of Madness on 11 Sep 2020, 17:44
Star Wars: Knights of the Republic game
Personally this is the only Star Wars thing I've seen that's on par with the Mandalorian, with the possible exception of Genndy Tartakovsky's Clone Wars.
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Post by: Gyrre on 28 Sep 2020, 04:23
If this rumour is borne out, the parallel rumour about the coming 'decanonisation' of the SW Sequel Trilogy may also be true.
That makes no sense. Movies are top-tier canon. I get making Mandalorian a separate canon, but saying that Episodes VII-IX are somehow not canon is foolish.
And next you'll tell me there's a season 3 of Gargoyles or that TF Kissplayers was allowed to happen.
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Post by: Method of Madness on 09 Oct 2020, 06:12
I don't know anything about either of those, but I could say that about season 2 of Death Note. But as terrible and pointless as it was, it's still canon because it happened, and nothing can change that, even if I might want it to.

Unrelated, why the fuck does Disney call Baby Yoda "The Child" and not "The Baby"? The latter is even sorta canon!

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Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: Tova on 09 Oct 2020, 16:32
Tackling the big issues - that's why he's called Mister Madness.   :mrgreen:
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Post by: LeeC on 21 Oct 2020, 09:55
I recently watch episode 3. Spoilers:

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My wife laughed so hard her sides hurt.
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Post by: LeeC on 01 Nov 2020, 19:27
I'm all caught up and saw the new episode!

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Post by: LeeC on 22 Nov 2020, 19:25
The 4th episode of season 2, The Siege.
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Post by: Blue Kitty on 27 Nov 2020, 16:03
I was looking forward to seeing Ashoka Tano but I felt like today's episode was kind of underwhelming even with that
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Post by: LeeC on 27 Nov 2020, 20:21
I actually loved this episode. It kept in the western/samurai feel of the show, gave us backstory on a key character and had 3 huge reveals:

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I was whelmed, and hyped for where we're going.
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Post by: Case on 29 Nov 2020, 11:35
So I'm just watching Ep1, Season 1 and ... I'm pretty sure Werner Herzog is consciously exaggerating certain 'German' mannerisms in his pronounciation. It's actually a bit grating, tbh. I'm wondering how this sounds to Anglophones? Could it be that he does that because he thinks this sounds ... badass ... to Anglo ears?

To me, it just sounds ... well, like someone consciously exaggerating stereotypically 'German' bad pronounciation habits (or rather, what Anglophones think is a 'typically German' pronounciation). Not threatening. Not intimidating. If anything, it sounds like he badly needs to go to the restroom.
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Post by: Tova on 29 Nov 2020, 13:04
So I'm just watching Ep1, Season 1 and ... I'm pretty sure Werner Herzog is consciously exaggerating certain 'German' mannerisms in his pronounciation. It's actually a bit grating, tbh. I'm wondering how this sounds to Anglophones? Could it be that he does that because he thinks this sounds ... badass ... to Anglo ears?

More 'cliche villain,' I think.
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Post by: Case on 29 Nov 2020, 15:50
Ok, I'm sold. This is great SW fun.

(Han still drew first, though)



More 'cliche villain,' I think.

Hmmh. Still think like he sounds like he's holdiing in a wee.


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Post by: Tova on 29 Nov 2020, 17:42
Hmmh. Still think like he sounds like he's holdiing in a wee.

I now need to rewatch the episode with this mental image.
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Post by: LeeC on 29 Nov 2020, 19:15
So I'm just watching Ep1, Season 1 and ... I'm pretty sure Werner Herzog is consciously exaggerating certain 'German' mannerisms in his pronounciation. It's actually a bit grating, tbh. I'm wondering how this sounds to Anglophones? Could it be that he does that because he thinks this sounds ... badass ... to Anglo ears?

To me, it just sounds ... well, like someone consciously exaggerating stereotypically 'German' bad pronounciation habits (or rather, what Anglophones think is a 'typically German' pronounciation). Not threatening. Not intimidating. If anything, it sounds like he badly needs to go to the restroom.

Is it weird that I didn't get "German" from his pronunciations? Honestly it seems more about his cadence, spoken prose, and enunciation that I just really dig. I could listen to him read the nutritional facts off a bag of chips. Especially in the 7th episode, but that may be more how his lines were written married up with his accent. He does remind me of a bond villain though, and if I didn't know his name was a dead give away of being German I would have thought he was Scandinavian like Mads Mikkelsen. It does seem close to his natural accent from watching him on the Late Night Show with Conan O'Brien and when he played an alien talking about human culture on Rick and Morty.
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Post by: RedWolf4 on 30 Nov 2020, 23:18
I mean, to me he definitely did sound like a continental who learned english from another continental, not necessarily German though. Now that I think about it maybe he was trying to sound more Aristocratic about it, being some Imperial and all? And same as Tova, I put it up to riffing on the 'Cliche' villain' approach to accents.
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Post by: Case on 01 Dec 2020, 03:26
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Hmmh. Still think like he sounds like he's holdiing in a wee.

I now need to rewatch the episode with this mental image.

This is the Way ...
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Post by: Method of Madness on 02 Dec 2020, 05:21
Yeah, that's just how Werner Herzog sounds, to the point that I always recognize his voice before his face. It's not a thing he did for this character. He was even on Parks and Rec (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7rs9VMBYkU)! Spoilers, it's a late episode, but yeah.
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Post by: Case on 02 Dec 2020, 09:13
What bugs me a bit about the Disney+ canon: It's not even been half a century and everybody is like' "Hohum Jedi? What's a Jedi? Can you eat it?" Honestly, if I'd been a Jedi Purge survivor like Kenobi, and those ingratiates had forgotten 10.000 years of service in a mere handful of decades, I'd say Fuck Those Fuckers.

YesYes Palpatine 'suppressed talk about the Jedi'. I highly doubt the Empire managed to out-compete the Stasi in terms of snitches per capita.
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Post by: BenRG on 02 Dec 2020, 09:25
I think that the issue is that so few people actually saw a real force adept in action that they were already part urban myth at the time of the Purge and they were so easily reduced to a tattered and hidden remnant that most people question if they were ever really anything but a bunch of nutty cultists.

Then you run into Anakin Skywalker's apprentice, who is only too pleased to demonstrate why she is the Last Woman Standing from the Clone Wars.
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Post by: Case on 02 Dec 2020, 09:42
Really? In 24BBY, a stroppy Padawan with a penchant for loosing his saber can go "This is Jedi business" to a packed bar and everybody goes minding their own - and not even 40 years later, nobody knows what a Jedi is anymore?

Even if Palpatine had found every last record about the Jedi in the entire Galaxy, you'd need to suppress a memory of a major pillar of Galactic society for at least three generations for it to start to die out. And there's species that live considerably longer than humans in that farfaraway Galaxy.

What do you figure how many people had seen Richard Coer de Lion in his lifetime? Or Joan of Arc?


Which makes me wonder - There is a bona fide Jedi Rebellion Hero around in 10ABY. Apparently, everybody knows what they were doing when the second Death Star blew up - but nobody knows that the guy who blew up the first one and who takes half the credit for defeating Palpatine is a Jedi? IIRC, in the EU, Mon Mothma was only too happy to fling her Jedi sibling heroes into everybodies' faces, to reassure the systems of the Republic so they wouldn't go Separatist.

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Post by: Blue Kitty on 02 Dec 2020, 16:38
I think most places that are like, "What's a Jedi," are the Outer Rim where few people are or go
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Post by: LeeC on 02 Dec 2020, 19:29
I think most places that are like, "What's a Jedi," are the Outer Rim where few people are or go
Pretty much this. Also During the Clone Wars, Republic propaganda down played the deeds of the Jedi and mostly focused on the Clones and other Republic related actions. Post-Jedi Purge there was a huge Imperial propaganda goal to demonize them, in hopes of getting people to flush out and report any survivors. It's one of the reasons why the Rebel Alliance venerated them, as a symbol of the old republic. Which is why they really picked up on using "May the Force be with you" as a phrase. We the audience know very well what a Jedi was and unless you were in the core or mid rim worlds, or actively participated in the Clone Wars with a Jedi around, you may not have heard of them, had a limited understanding of them, or heard what was assumed to be exaggerated stories. The outer rims were pretty lawless and largely ignored by the old republic. The Empire on the other hand made sure their presence was felt everywhere.
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Post by: Gyrre on 04 Dec 2020, 02:59
I think most places that are like, "What's a Jedi," are the Outer Rim where few people are or go

Unless you're in one of the few series of the Extended Universe that didn't get nixxed (Alien Chronicles). Then it's "What's the Force?" while some characters are still Force-sensitive.
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Post by: Blue Kitty on 04 Dec 2020, 14:30
This may be my favorite episode of the Mandalorian so far, until next week maybe

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Post by: RedWolf4 on 04 Dec 2020, 21:38
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Post by: Gyrre on 05 Dec 2020, 08:25
[snip]Honestly it seems more about his cadence, spoken prose, and enunciation that I just really dig. I could listen to him read the nutritional facts off a bag of chips.[snip]
I suppose I can see where you're coming from with that. Though, for me, that accolade goes to 'Mr. Shoes' voicing Amaroq.
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Post by: LeeC on 05 Dec 2020, 08:49
Cowboy BeeBop style Mandalorian Season 1 intro


Spoiler from Season 2 Episode 5
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Post by: Blue Kitty on 05 Dec 2020, 19:04
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Post by: RedWolf4 on 05 Dec 2020, 23:07
Ah, I get you now.
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Post by: LeeC on 12 Dec 2020, 21:34
I think episode 7 is the best episode of season 2 so far. Especially with how the prisoner character was handled. Really humanized them.
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Post by: Farideh on 12 Dec 2020, 22:57
Also, nice 'Office Space' reference 😁
Title: Re: The Mandalorian
Post by: BenRG on 13 Dec 2020, 02:28
Relevant Side Note:

Two of the new series announced by Disney+ this week are likely direct spin-offs of The Mandelorian. I'm sure that the golden handcuffs that are being offered to Dave Filloni and Jon Favreau will be impressive to see!
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Post by: LeeC on 13 Dec 2020, 08:15
Also, nice 'Office Space' reference 😁

I genuinely loved that line! I squealed with laughter. Not sure if it was in the script or if he improvised the line, but it was damn good.
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Post by: Method of Madness on 15 Dec 2020, 21:09
I think episode 7 is the best episode of season 2 so far.
Agreed. After this episode, I hope Mayfeld ends up being the Doug Judy to Mando's Peralta, and shows up once a season. I'd be surprised if that doesn't happen, but I really hope it does.
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Post by: LeeC on 18 Dec 2020, 20:57
I loved the finale. It was great! I went on twitter afterwards and was kind of surprised to see a lot of cynicism towards it. Personally I thought it was fun, intense, and dramatic. I am curious on what they're going to do for season 3 though...

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Post by: Tova on 18 Dec 2020, 21:01
I went on twitter afterwards and was kind of surprised to see a lot of cynicism towards it.

I can't say that I am. It seems inevitable.
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Post by: RedWolf4 on 18 Dec 2020, 22:08
It's twitter. Twits are gonna tweet.

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Post by: LeeC on 19 Dec 2020, 06:53
Yeah those are valid nitpicks but some people are treating this season likes its season 8 of GoT. This baffles me.

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Post by: TheEvilDog on 19 Dec 2020, 09:16
Soooo....

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Post by: Tova on 19 Dec 2020, 11:55
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Post by: LeeC on 20 Dec 2020, 05:58
Soooo....

I said as much to my wife after the episode. However we don't really know. There's a lot that can happen between now and then.

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I am sure Rebels fan are confused about the ending with Bo-Katan though
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Post by: BenRG on 20 Dec 2020, 06:21
Soooo....

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For what it's worth...
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Post by: TheEvilDog on 20 Dec 2020, 13:54
Soooo....

I said as much to my wife after the episode. However we don't really know. There's a lot that can happen between now and then.

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So I checked the timeline.

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Post by: Blue Kitty on 20 Dec 2020, 19:49
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