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Title: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: BenRG on 01 Dec 2019, 10:28
This one came to me in a flash this afternoon. Imagine Jeph decided that he wanted to 'soft reboot' Questionable Content - To restart the story with the characters in a new situation and a new universe, much as David Willis did with the characters of the Walkyverse when he started writing Dumbing of Age. Which options do you think would work the best?

My own suggestions would be
Of course, this is just my opinion. You have three options for your favourite three choices so make your votes!
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: pwhodges on 01 Dec 2019, 11:16
Explore the unknown parts of Marten and Steve's earlier relationship in a new BL/Yaoi manga!
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: shanejayell on 01 Dec 2019, 20:28
New strip up.

Also, Jeph is in airport hell. Thoughts and prayers...
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: BenRG on 01 Dec 2019, 23:21
Given Faye's expression in panel 4, I suspect that she's just realised that 'relaxing life-style' and 'self-employed' are two totally incompatible concepts. From the expression on Bubbles' face, her 'girlfriend in distress' warning is pinging. I suspect that a session with the sedative boobs may be incoming!

Sam is going to be good for both of them, I think. Plenty of honest friendship and innocent enthusiasm to stop the adults from getting overwhelmed.

You know, I guess that's the last we're gonna see of Millifeulle, which is kind of a shame...
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: DaiJB on 02 Dec 2019, 02:55
"Other":
Marten wakes up one day and finds it's all been a dream ...
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: Gyrre on 02 Dec 2019, 03:01
Space Opera, fighting fantasy, or steampunk.

Keep in mind that clockworks, constructs, golems, and Warforged are all things in fantasy. And the first three can be 'awakened' (fully sentient) or possessed by various means.

EDIT: Of course, Faye and Bubbles would have a much easier time getting business in a space opera or a cyberpunk setting.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: Marco on 02 Dec 2019, 03:53
"Other":
Marten wakes up one day and finds it's all been a dream ...

Too sudden. I would prefer to get small clues that it's all a dream, which accumulate over time till he doesn't know what is real anymore (yes, I've been reading lots of Phillip K. Dick lately). In the end, Marten finds out that:

a) he's been alone in the appartment with a PC all this time - all his friends are imaginary

or

b) he's part of a simulated reality run by
(i) The Station - plot twist: everybody are imaginary friends created to entertain Hanners;
(ii) Pintsize - plot twist: Marten is Pintsize's imaginary friend;
(iii) May - plot twist: she's still in Robot Jail and creates a world as a pastime
(iv) The Praeses (I knew QC and Alice Grove were in the same Universe!)
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: Wingy on 02 Dec 2019, 05:35
You know, I guess that's the last we're gonna see of Millifeulle, which is kind of a shame...
That depends entirely on what other upgrades she'll want to attract/keep his attention - she's already proved she's willing to change her chassis/configuration to get attention.  Her boobage isn't anywhere close to Faye's size, so there's at least one other set of implants, maybe more if she steps up in sizes instead of going for "dayum" all at once.  Then, depending on what his fetish(s) is/are, there could be more.  She doesn't have real lips, since her face is a screen.  Does that mean a head transplant?  And can UR do one? 

OTOH, she's a researcher, possibly even a grad student.  So maybe this was the wad shot and if she doesn't get him, we'll see her moping around...
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: JimC on 02 Dec 2019, 05:38
b) he's part of a simulated reality run by
The Spookybots, and Yay et al are "merely the protrusions into our dimension of vast, hyper-intelligent pan-dimensional beings"
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: cybersmurf on 02 Dec 2019, 06:23
In German "self employed" is called "selbstständig". Denn man arbeitet selbst, und ständig. [Rough translation: you do the work yourself, and all the time. Since the work doesn't stop, you work for 70 hour weeks for a 35 hour salary]
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: Zebediah on 02 Dec 2019, 18:23
Comic’s up.

Claire’s attempt to subtly nudge Marten in a certain direction isn’t very subtle, is it?
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: St.Clair on 02 Dec 2019, 18:43
Claire has never, in her life, been subtle.  IMO.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: Tova on 02 Dec 2019, 19:14
There was no attempt
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: shanejayell on 02 Dec 2019, 19:42
Marten does tend to kinda 'coast along' really.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: Sorflakne on 02 Dec 2019, 20:36
Tbh a piano repairman in the right locale can make close to six figures.  Doesn't even require college (but a lot of experience).
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: Gyrre on 02 Dec 2019, 21:00
There was no attempt
She tried. She just wasn't super good at it.


You know, I guess that's the last we're gonna see of Millifeulle, which is kind of a shame...
That depends entirely on what other upgrades she'll want to attract/keep his attention - she's already proved she's willing to change her chassis/configuration to get attention.  Her boobage isn't anywhere close to Faye's size, so there's at least one other set of implants, maybe more if she steps up in sizes instead of going for "dayum" all at once.  Then, depending on what his fetish(s) is/are, there could be more.  She doesn't have real lips, since her face is a screen.  Does that mean a head transplant?  And can UR do one? 

OTOH, she's a researcher, possibly even a grad student.  So maybe this was the wad shot and if she doesn't get him, we'll see her moping around...

But what if Jones (I think) or the emu need a robotic prosthetic?
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: Tova on 02 Dec 2019, 21:36
There was no attempt
She tried.

What makes you think so?
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: BenRG on 02 Dec 2019, 23:10
So, this is interesting. Long-term forumites might share my thoughts here: When talking about 'what else can Jeph do with the character of Marten', the discussion always becomes hypothetical when we talk about 'what does he want to do'. We have only a few ideas about what Marten really likes above all other things. What Jeph has done here is actually set where Marten's real interest lies, his 'if I could do anything, I'd do this'.

I've long felt that Marten is in many ways Jeph's self-insert in terms of the issues he's had with his life in terms of direction and personal relationships. Because of this, it always made sense to me that Jeph might ultimately take the character in the direction his own life went: Dropping everything (including a relatively comfortable job) in favour of a much riskier life strategy that he believes he would find more satisfying. Now, 'guitar repair guy' is a bit of a specialist field but that doesn't mean it isn't achievable!

She tried.

What makes you think so?

She at least made the effort to initially couch this in a hypothetical way rather than be more direct. She could just as easily say: "Right, I'm going to get you into your dream career. Step one: Tell me what you want to do more than anything else and I'm not talking about your passive life-dreams here!"
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: Killspree on 02 Dec 2019, 23:54
Oh look, Claire's attempts to manipulate someone's life again.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: Tova on 03 Dec 2019, 00:57
Oh look, Claire's attempts to manipulate someone's life again.

This is a more apt response.

Ben maybe you do think that Claire’s opening gambit is a hypothetical question.  I can see how it might be interpreted that way.

But having had direct career counseling recently, and having had the counsellor ask precisely that question, I don’t think that she was trying to pretend it was hypothetical any more than my counsellor was.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: jesslc on 03 Dec 2019, 01:22
Well it looks like we're up for another discussion about whether or not Marten's coasting along is a issue or not...  :meh: :meh: :meh:

Am I the only one who likes that Marten is happy not pursuing his dream job? A reality of a lot of people's lives is that they work in a job that isn't their passion/dream job to pay the bills. But in fiction it's always about "pursuing your dream job" and non dream jobs are "holding you back" or always completely awful, instead of a perfectly decent way to get your bills paid.

A job you like well enough, with colleagues you get along with, with work that stays at work (leaving your evenings and weekends free for hobbies or friends) - this is seriously undervalued in my opinion.

With that all said, I was once in a relationship with significantly mismatched levels of ambition and yeah if we hadn't broken up for other reasons, I feel like it would probably have become a problem at some point... I hope Claire and Marten can work this out and I hope Marten calls out her approach as manipulative. It could have been a completely hypothetical question but the way she immediately jumps to "let's look up courses" shows that it wasn't actually hypothetical. If Claire has been feeling bothered by Marten's lack of ambition, then there are more mature (and construtive) ways to bring it up.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: bhtooefr on 03 Dec 2019, 01:27
TBH, I've been waiting for this storyline literally since they started dating - the mismatched ambition levels were there from the very start.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: Tova on 03 Dec 2019, 03:15
I'm not holding my breath, TBH. We've repeatedly seen hints of this storyline surface, only for Jeph to return to his favourite character(s) du jour.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: Ghanima Atreides on 03 Dec 2019, 03:22

Am I the only one who likes that Marten is happy not pursuing his dream job? A reality of a lot of people's lives is that they work in a job that isn't their passion/dream job to pay the bills. But in fiction it's always about "pursuing your dream job" and non dream jobs are "holding you back" or always completely awful, instead of a perfectly decent way to get your bills paid.

In addition to that, what fiction/some people often disregard is the fact that some folks simply don't HAVE a "dream job". I am one of them. I've been asked the same question Claire asked Marten since high school, and the best answer I can give is still "Umm...something I don't hate...and pays the bills? I guess?" I have various interests that could relate to different jobs but nothing that stands out as "Yes, THIS is what I want to do above all else!" And it's not for lack of thought, because of course I've thought about it plenty, this Dream Job just...doesn't exist as such. Whenever I tell people that they tend look at me funny, and yes, like Claire, some have tried to take it upon themselves to find the answer that has eluded me for so long.

Not saying Marten is necessarily the same, perhaps he really does just need to find his way, although Claire didn't stop to discuss it and instead immediately went into "OK let's fix this because you obviously have a problem" mode. I know it's been asked before, but...does he? He makes money, he seems content...it's more than many people can say.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: cybersmurf on 03 Dec 2019, 03:27
TBH, I've been waiting for this storyline literally since they started dating - the mismatched ambition levels were there from the very start.

Admittedly, IMHO Claire's ambition sometimes might border zeal...
I do realise she does mean well, but some people advance through their lives a tad more... gently? Coupled with Marten basically just swimming along the stream idly, there's a lot of possible friction. Friction that might get Marten going, and slow Claire down.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: jwhouk on 03 Dec 2019, 04:09
I guess I'm too long-term of a reader to not immediately think of 1795. (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1795)
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: JoeCovenant on 03 Dec 2019, 04:27
I'm not holding my breath, TBH. We've repeatedly seen hints of this storyline surface, only for Jeph to return to his favourite character(s) du jour.

Aye... TBH, I'm more hoping that eventually one of these teased 'frictions' will rid of us of Claire.
I just never warmed to her at all.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: Tai Fanboi on 03 Dec 2019, 04:31
*Queue next panel of Clinton walking into frame with a spray bottle, spritzing Claire while repeatedly saying "No, bad girl, we've been through this already"*
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: cybersmurf on 03 Dec 2019, 04:39
I guess I'm too long-term of a reader to not immediately think of 1795. (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1795)
I started reading QC a few months of our time after this, and I think it's a different situation. So no, my mind didn't jump there, since the dynamic is different.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: BenRG on 03 Dec 2019, 04:57
Yeah, Jeph once had no issues with the girls treating Marten as if he had no agency whatsoever. If anything, that was considered 'mainstream comedy'.

FWIW, this is relevant because I really get the impression that Jeph supports what Claire is doing. I might be wrong but the way he's writing this seems to say to me that:
Take that as you will; this is just my feeling.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: Marco on 03 Dec 2019, 05:07
I guess I'm too long-term of a reader to not immediately think of 1795. (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1795)

If it leads to 1812 (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1812), I'm OK with it.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: Wingy on 03 Dec 2019, 05:15
Take that as you will; this is just my feeling.
My immediate reaction was: "So long Marten and Claire."  I infer she's got a job offer somewhere, hasn't told Marten yet, and is looking for a good way to tell him to get ready to pack up, 'cause she's going.  If Marten gets excited about going to school for instrument repair or whatever, and there's a school near Claire's new job, then it's *his* idea to move and Claire isn't in the position of saying "move if you want to be with me.". 

If Marten goes along with Claire, then the storyline can split in two with visits back and forth ala' Faye going home or Hanners and Station.
If he doesn't go along with Claire, then it's Padma all over again, freeing Marten to bring in some new characters.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: pwhodges on 03 Dec 2019, 05:15
Without something changing, Marten - the strip's original character - will continue to slide into background irrelevance.  Jeph may feel he doesn't want to let that happen.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: Technetium on 03 Dec 2019, 06:02
Yeah, I saw this coming a long time ago. They have never really been a good match as far as ambition and life plans are concerned. There are actually two conflicts that are coming up here. The first, which everyone has caught on to, is that Claire is ambitious about what she wants to do for a career, and she doesn't understand that Marten isn't. The second conflict is that Claire believes higher education is essential to pursuing career goals, because it was for her. I think, in Marten's case, even if he were to pursue becoming a repairman of musical instruments, he would balk at going to school for it.

I had a similar conflict with an ex years ago, and I think it was a part of why we broke up. She had a master's degree. I had only a 2-year degree. She used to tell me that I "have to" go back to college, it was not acceptable for me not to have a better degree.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: MrNumbers on 03 Dec 2019, 06:59
Marten's only happy with his life when he doesn't look down. This is a good development and good for him.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: MrCorvin on 03 Dec 2019, 08:22
This comic really hit me in the PTSD, mostly because my ex pulled the same stunt on me. This is not how you do it.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: Thrudd on 03 Dec 2019, 10:14
Better Degree aka a longer, more expensive, higher education degree that will put you into debt longer and not actually produce a lucrative career compared to a trade where you are not only not in debt but have those multi letter graduates work for you.
Ugh - rant off

Anyhow, a dream job is just that, a dream.
The actual job never actually turns out the way you think it would be, that is if you could ever got the chance in the first place.
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Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: Wingy on 03 Dec 2019, 12:13
Well, if Marten wants to be a luthier, there's Becker & Cumpiano Instruments in Noho and 5 other shops within 10 klicks.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: cybersmurf on 03 Dec 2019, 12:45
Yeah, I saw this coming a long time ago. They have never really been a good match as far as ambition and life plans are concerned. There are actually two conflicts that are coming up here. The first, which everyone has caught on to, is that Claire is ambitious about what she wants to do for a career, and she doesn't understand that Marten isn't. The second conflict is that Claire believes higher education is essential to pursuing career goals, because it was for her. I think, in Marten's case, even if he were to pursue becoming a repairman of musical instruments, he would balk at going to school for it.

I had a similar conflict with an ex years ago, and I think it was a part of why we broke up. She had a master's degree. I had only a 2-year degree. She used to tell me that I "have to" go back to college, it was not acceptable for me not to have a better degree.

I never did, anf probably never will understand the "unless you're an academic, you ain't worth shit" attitude ("slightly" exaggerated from your argument).
The way I see it, Marten may - kind of - appreciate Claire trying to push him forward, on general terms. The details of how that's going to happen is something different entirely. Maybe he'll learn to rein her ambitions in, as far as he's concerned.

This comic really hit me in the PTSD, mostly because my ex pulled the same stunt on me. This is not how you do it.

Crappy move on their part then. Hope it's not too bad for you.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: MrCorvin on 03 Dec 2019, 16:38
This comic really hit me in the PTSD, mostly because my ex pulled the same stunt on me. This is not how you do it.

Crappy move on their part then. Hope it's not too bad for you.

Just like the other person you quoted, similar circumstances. She had a Masters degree and felt that I could "do more" with an advanced degree (I have no degree). I felt if I could work, pay bills, put a small bit away in savings, I really didn't need it. It was a red flag that I ignored because she was smart and hot and claimed to love me for who I was. It's the doom trio when the last part isn't true.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: MrNumbers on 03 Dec 2019, 16:40
What's the over-under Claire just wants his job but doesn't want to feel guilty for taking it?
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: immortalfrieza on 03 Dec 2019, 18:07
First time I've ever felt compelled to actually post about these comics, though I love them.

Apparently (and I'm hoping somebody in the cast comes along and reminds Marten of this) Marten has forgotten his actual dream job. You know, the part where he's in a band and actually makes and plays music. No surprise considering the comic hasn't brought up Deathmole or anything else related to the one actual ambition Marten has ever possessed for years now.

I personally would love to see Marten go on down that path for real for once. Marten doesn't have to become some super rockstar, just a local musician doing the occasional gig here and there. It would also be a good excuse to get Marten and the rest of the cast out of Northampton every so often.

Also, I agree with nearly everybody else here that this is definitely Claire being her usual manipulative self and pushing people into things that she shouldn't, whether she has her own ulterior motives for it or not. I like all of the cast and would be sad to see any of them leave, Claire included, but they all have their little annoying behaviors (Okay, maybe not Hanners) and this one is Claire's.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: MrNumbers on 03 Dec 2019, 18:20
Re: "Claire being her usual manipulative self"

I mean okay but Marten is cripplingly passive to the degree that he has become a background character in his own comic. Marten's working a job he's ridiculously underqualified for, that he lucked into, that he doesn't feel super strongly about. But because he doesn't hate it, odds are high he wouldn't do anything to change that situation until he began to hate it, or he was fired.

Wild to me the pushback she's getting in here from just... the absolute most basic kind of future planning for someone she's committed to. I stan Claire.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: snufflebottoms on 03 Dec 2019, 18:32
Marten can be perfectly happy working at the library. Not everyone needs to turn what they think is fun into a career.

Edit: If Claire doesn't want to date someone who lacks strong career ambitions maybe Marten isn't for her tho. I mean doesn't make either of the wrong.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 03 Dec 2019, 18:49
Welcome, new person!

I was expecting Marten to mention Deathmole when Claire asked her question. The drummer is back in town, Sven could be vocalist, and it would fulfill him.

I wonder if he doesn't think of it as likely to produce enough income to be an answer to a question about a "job".
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: Sorflakne on 03 Dec 2019, 19:11
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Without something changing, Marten - the strip's original character - will continue to slide into background irrelevance.
Marten has been irrelevant for a long time.  Pretty much the only time we see him now is from Claire's POV.

Tbh, with the exception of Faye, all the original main characters have faded into the background or have vanished completely (anyone remember Jimbo? or Sara?); Hanners is at least understandable given her storyline.

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Apparently (and I'm hoping somebody in the cast comes along and reminds Marten of this) Marten has forgotten his actual dream job. You know, the part where he's in a band and actually makes and plays music.
And writing a music blog.  Come to think of it, when was the last time we saw Marten even hold a guitar?
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: Mordhaus on 03 Dec 2019, 21:17
1. This comic stopped being Marten focused a loooooong time ago
2. Anyone with a brain will clearly see that this is Claire basically saying, in code, "Wouldn't it be great if you had a better job so we could get a house instead of a shared apartment and get married?"
3. WTF is wrong with working in a University library. My wife works in a admin position at a Uni that pays her close to 60k a year and she is automatically enrolled in the teacher's retirement system. She has great insurance and can retire at 55 with full benefits, while keeping that insurance for the rest of her life paid for by the Uni. She can even go back to work there PT or find a different FT job and make a salary on top of her benefits. I don't know if that scales to match other states, but that is a VERY good income for Texas and for a job that only initially required a HS Diploma and some experience in an admin type position.

I understand that Claire is a driven person, but I hope she doesn't allow that to sour her towards someone who clearly loves her a lot.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: Gyrre on 03 Dec 2019, 21:21
Welcome, new person!

I was expecting Marten to mention Deathmole when Claire asked her question. The drummer is back in town, Sven could be vocalist, and it would fulfill him.

I wonder if he doesn't think of it as likely to produce enough income to be an answer to a question about a "job".
Sadly, that's just how it is for many bands and musicians.

MxPx is still together, but they all work day jobs to keep the lights on. And that's an all-too common story.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: Gyrre on 03 Dec 2019, 21:23
There was no attempt
She tried.

What makes you think so?
She phrased in a way that could be taken as a hypothetical question.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: SeattleCrochetWoman on 03 Dec 2019, 21:41
Well it looks like we're up for another discussion about whether or not Marten's coasting along is a issue or not...  :meh: :meh: :meh:

Am I the only one who likes that Marten is happy not pursuing his dream job? A reality of a lot of people's lives is that they work in a job that isn't their passion/dream job to pay the bills. But in fiction it's always about "pursuing your dream job" and non dream jobs are "holding you back" or always completely awful, instead of a perfectly decent way to get your bills paid.

A job you like well enough, with colleagues you get along with, with work that stays at work (leaving your evenings and weekends free for hobbies or friends) - this is seriously undervalued in my opinion.

I agree with you. It bothers me that Marten, who has a job, an apartment and pays his bills, is seen as somehow not an adult.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: Elder Sign on 03 Dec 2019, 22:51
I'm not holding my breath, TBH. We've repeatedly seen hints of this storyline surface, only for Jeph to return to his favourite character(s) du jour.

Seems you called it.  Whatever latent crisis people might have thought was emerging has been promptly subsumed once again beneath the omnipresent tide of Everything Goes Picture-Perfect For Marten And Claire.

Upon further reflection, it's kind of startling to realize that the Marten-Claire relationship (c. #2800 to present, or about 1350 strips to date) has already substantially eclipsed the endurance of the Marten-Dora relationship (c. #564 to #1799, or about 1235 strips).

... A job you like well enough, with colleagues you get along with, with work that stays at work (leaving your evenings and weekends free for hobbies or friends) - this is seriously undervalued in my opinion.

I agree with you. It bothers me that Marten, who has a job, an apartment and pays his bills, is seen as somehow not an adult.

To be fair, this seems to be a persistent problem for pretty much anyone Millennial age or younger with regard to how we're viewed by any older generation(s).
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: BenRG on 03 Dec 2019, 23:37
From the first time I saw today's strip (yesterday on Patreon), I've been wondering if we've been misreading Marten all along. He isn't passive, he's just really good at constructing worst-case scenarios and so he's staying in 'safe' territory where there are no serious risks of failure. I can certainly empathise as that's one of my personal greatest weaknesses. It would certainly explain a lot about him if he wasn't just loathe to change but was genuinely afraid that he'll screw up if he does!

Maybe all Claire really needs is to show belief in him and his dreams and he'll feel better about pursuing them.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: Squishalot on 04 Dec 2019, 00:42
Wow, I've been reading this for years and only now realised I've never created a forum account.  Hello folks!

I'm surprised that everybody is assuming that Claire wants Marten to pack up and head somewhere else with her job prospects, and hasn't considered a much more obvious alternative:

Claire wants Marten to find another job so that she can get the gig.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: BenRG on 04 Dec 2019, 02:01
Hello, Squishalot, welcome to the exit ramp from the Lurker Turnpike!

I don't think that people want Marten and Claire to move out but it's just that a lot of readers find it difficult to imagine Claire getting a job within reasonable commuting distance from Northampton. This assumption basically ignores two very plausible narrative possibilities:
Personally, in terms of the central cast moving, my favourite option is for Claire's mother to decide that the house is too big for her so goes apartment hunting. It just turns out that she can easily make the rent on the Reed/Augustus/Faye/Bubbles/Pintsize apartment and it is ideal for her. Meanwhile, the house is all paid up and the main cast can easily meet its relatively modest costs. So, we have a Moving Day and the main cast are suddenly operating out of a much larger building that may have one or two unexpected surprises such as a basement in which Faye and Bubbles can experiment with spare parts.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: JoeCovenant on 04 Dec 2019, 02:19
... one or two unexpected surprises such as a basement in which Faye and Bubbles can experiment with spare parts.

I'm sure I read that far more "Rule 34-y" than you may have intended!   ;) 
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: Tyr on 04 Dec 2019, 03:12
Personally, in terms of the central cast moving, my favourite option is for Claire's mother to decide that the house is too big for her so goes apartment hunting. It just turns out that she can easily make the rent on the Reed/Augustus/Faye/Bubbles/Pintsize apartment and it is ideal for her. Meanwhile, the house is all paid up and the main cast can easily meet its relatively modest costs. So, we have a Moving Day and the main cast are suddenly operating out of a much larger building that may have one or two unexpected surprises such as a basement in which Faye and Bubbles can experiment with spare parts.

This would also provide space for Hanners to have growth when someone else gets a start on her dream home. that is "All of my friends and I live in a mansion together and I become a recluse,  only is sighted in public rarely, possibly only leaving my wing to do laundry."
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: pwhodges on 04 Dec 2019, 03:31
Marten has been irrelevant for a long time.  Pretty much the only time we see him now is from Claire's POV.
This comic stopped being Marten focused a loooooong time ago

Both true; but Jeph said a long time ago that Marten represented at least part of himself, so it would be understandable for him not to want Marten's complete erasure from the active cast.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: Squishalot on 04 Dec 2019, 05:00
I don't think that people want Marten and Claire to move out but it's just that a lot of readers find it difficult to imagine Claire getting a job within reasonable commuting distance from Northampton.

Ah, I don't think I was precise enough.  I meant that Claire wants Marten's gig (i.e. to be a librarian at Smif).  That way they won't need to move out.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 04 Dec 2019, 06:39
No, Claire wants Tai's job.
(And Tai's job security is the blackmail material she has -- suppose that goes away?)
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: MrNumbers on 04 Dec 2019, 08:29
MxPx is still together, but they all work day jobs to keep the lights on. And that's an all-too common story.

That's a shame; They do my favourite rendition of Auld Lang Syne

Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: Zebediah on 04 Dec 2019, 08:36
Marten is not a librarian. He is a library assistant, which is not the same thing. Claire is way overqualified for Marten’s job.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: Eternal_Newbie on 04 Dec 2019, 08:58
Orr the shattered strad could be on his workbench becase he is trusted to fix it?
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: Inconsequential on 04 Dec 2019, 09:50
Nice how today's strip makes it clear this isn't going to spiral into a stupid fight or anything.

It's a little weird how seldom you see healthy, interesting relationships in any medium.

Claire's at the edge of a HUGE step in achieving her dreams, and they're facing quite a few unknowns; it seems quite natural that she'd be thinking more about Marten's dreams as well.


Apropos of absolutely nothing, I never noticed before that Claire's and Marten's eyes are blue, but different shades of blue.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: JimC on 04 Dec 2019, 09:56
What Claire may realise too late is that working on musical instruments is an inherently messy business, creating dust and detritus in some quantity, not to mention paint fumes and other solvents. And the only place you can do this unless you are much richer than (most of) our cast is a table in the front room...
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 04 Dec 2019, 10:04
Welcome, newly posting person!
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 04 Dec 2019, 11:17
As it has been mentioned, another "Claire manipulates someone" story.

I see this ending in one of three ways;
- In tears.
- In a lesson learned.
- Marten Reed, Instrument Repair.

And frankly, I can't see the last happening.

I don't know, I just can't stand Claire anymore. There's just something about her that sets me on edge. Actually, its not some nebulous something, its her manipulative and controlling nature. The fact that she seems to know whats best for everyone else even though its clearly apparent that Claire barely has any clue about her own life.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: sitnspin on 04 Dec 2019, 11:27
No, Claire wants Tai's job.
(And Tai's job security is the blackmail material she has -- suppose that goes away?)
Tai spent that blackmail to get Marten a raise. She has her job legitimately as far as I can tell. Once she finishes her graduate studies, who knows?
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: tbm275 on 04 Dec 2019, 12:10
No, Claire wants Tai's job.
(And Tai's job security is the blackmail material she has -- suppose that goes away?)
Tai spent that blackmail to get Marten a raise. She has her job legitimately as far as I can tell. Once she finishes her graduate studies, who knows?


There was a comic, Marten asked, Tai has graduated.


Also sheesh I would be Claire too, the best thing in a relationship is helping each other grow and build each other up. Marten needs someone to say hey I know you can do more, you just have to want it.

Sometimes you don't realize what you really can do until you are literally thrown out the nest and realize you can fly.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: pwhodges on 04 Dec 2019, 12:58
the only place you can do this unless you are much richer than (most of) our cast is a table in the front room...

My wife's niece got an informal paid apprenticeship at a music shop in London, where she learnt to work on guitars, and kept at it for a while (because the customers asked her to) after the main repairman left - until the whole shop folded, and she went off to do something else because she was getting tendinitis.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: andrybak on 04 Dec 2019, 13:23
I've long felt that Marten is in many ways Jeph's self-insert
[...]
'guitar repair guy' is a bit of a specialist field

About two years ago it just happened, that one million subscriber YouTube channels were rarer than Nobel Prize laureates. I.e. by this measure, one million YouTube subscribers is more prestigious than the Nobel Prize. This may have changed since then, I didn't have a chance to check.

So, combining this with the parallel that BenRG has laid out: How many 'guitar repair guys' are there in the world? How many webcomic artists are there in the world? It's easy to count the former. How would you count webcomic artists? How about only those, who do it full time? Maybe only those with 1000 daily hits on their site? 10000 hits per week?

How would you count webcomic artists, if you wanted to compare this occupation with another?



Oh look, Claire's attempts to manipulate someone's life again.

The word "manipulate" usually has a negative connotation. I've never understood this sentiment. All people affect lives of others around them. People are not isolated from outside influences.

Of course, effect of all people is different. Both in who it covers, and the impact's magnitude. Some affect whole countries, some affect only their family. Some reach into your soul, others you forget the next moment.

Why do people think that Claire's influence is somehow bad?
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: Skewbrow on 04 Dec 2019, 13:35
I guess I'm too long-term of a reader to not immediately think of 1795. (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1795)
Thank you for making me binge through 250 old strips. It's not like I wouldn't have anything better to do.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: JimC on 04 Dec 2019, 15:21
... Sven could be vocalist, and it would fulfill him.
AIUI Sven is one of the top songwriters in the country music scene. WTF would he want to play in a little local amateur band?
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: alc40 on 04 Dec 2019, 15:37
... Sven could be vocalist, and it would fulfill him.
AIUI Sven is one of the top songwriters in the country music scene. WTF would he want to play in a little local amateur band?
He writes country songs for money, but he didn't say what style the song was that he  actually cares about (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=4100).  Since the people he approached didn't like it, maybe he would be interested in collaborating with Marten's band on something like that.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: andrybak on 04 Dec 2019, 15:38
I've been wondering if we've been misreading Marten all along. He isn't passive, he's just really good at constructing worst-case scenarios and so he's staying in 'safe' territory where there are no serious risks of failure. I can certainly empathise as that's one of my personal greatest weaknesses. It would certainly explain a lot about him if he wasn't just loathe to change but was genuinely afraid that he'll screw up if he does!

Have you read "Harry Potter and Methods of Rationality (https://www.hpmor.com/)"? Being prepared for worst-case scenarios is one of Harry's core goals in this fanfic. Marten, of course, isn't a hyper-deductive-rational-genius, but your observation is interesting nonetheless.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: chris73 on 04 Dec 2019, 16:01
(Finally some Marten!)
The way Claire is acting towards Marten is really setting me off because I find it quite patronizing, I mean a librarian is good but its not up there with being a Doctor, Firefighter, Nurse, EMT, Policeman etc in terms of respect yet she seems to think being content in a job is a negative

Marten has a job he doesn't actively hate and which seems to have some job security and allows him to pay the bills which isn't all that bad in my book,  I mean my mom was a hospital cleaner for 30 years and while I'm sure she didn't like the actual job itself she certainly had many friends there and when she passed they put up a commemorative park bench in her name

Claire on the other hand hasn't graduated and the studying is causing her some massive stress and emotional breakdown yet shes chiding Marten for being content

I also find the physical interaction interesting here in that they start separate then move closer together (once Marten starts agreeing with Claire), subconscious manipulation by Clare?


Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 04 Dec 2019, 17:02
Also sheesh I would be Claire too, the best thing in a relationship is helping each other grow and build each other up. Marten needs someone to say hey I know you can do more, you just have to want it.

Sometimes you don't realize what you really can do until you are literally thrown out the nest and realize you can fly.

Therein lies the rub. Yes, helping each other grow in a relationship is a good thing. That's not what with Marten and Claire are doing, not in this instance. Claire is not-so-subtly forcing Marten down a path, that frankly, he's not ready for, that he will never be ready for. Its perhaps time to admit to ourselves that Marten is always going to be passive in the way he lives his life. He didn't change when he crossed the country for a girl who got sick of him. He didn't change when Dora broke up with him. When the chance to develop a relationship with Padma came up. The list goes on. At his core, Marten can't, or won't change. Its not in him.

I think that, along with Claire's attempts to change Marten, will breed a sort of resentment, well in Claire, because Marten is so passive that he can't even hold onto a grudge.

When you're in a relationship, helping each other grow that's healthy, that's normal. But both parties have to want to grow, they want to become more than they were. And that's not going to happen when Claire is trying to force that change and when Marten is, well, Marten.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: MrNumbers on 04 Dec 2019, 18:56
Therein lies the rub. Yes, helping each other grow in a relationship is a good thing. That's not what with Marten and Claire are doing, not in this instance. Claire is not-so-subtly forcing Marten down a path, that frankly, he's not ready for, that he will never be ready for.

... the path of enrolling in a trade school?
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: Penquin47 on 04 Dec 2019, 19:47
Marten's not good at initiating change, with the notable exception of following Vicky from California to New England.  He's pretty good at rolling with it when it comes up, though.  He likes Faye but she's not in a place where she can date him?  That's okay, he'll move on, Dora's cool too, he and Faye are still friends.  Gets laid off from his job as office bitch?  He's got enough saved up he doesn't need a new one immediately but when something comes along he's happy to go get it.  Dora breaks up with him?  A couple days drinking, and then he's working on enjoying what he still has with his friends and his job.  Padma leaves?  Same thing.

Given the nudge from Claire, he'd probably be fine with getting into instrument repair.  He wouldn't have to change everything about his life all at once - it's thoroughly doable to work at the library while he goes to trade school, and then maybe he can work out of Union Robotics? 
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: SeattleCrochetWoman on 04 Dec 2019, 23:17
From the first time I saw today's strip (yesterday on Patreon), I've been wondering if we've been misreading Marten all along. He isn't passive, he's just really good at constructing worst-case scenarios and so he's staying in 'safe' territory where there are no serious risks of failure. I can certainly empathise as that's one of my personal greatest weaknesses. It would certainly explain a lot about him if he wasn't just loathe to change but was genuinely afraid that he'll screw up if he does!

Maybe all Claire really needs is to show belief in him and his dreams and he'll feel better about pursuing them.

Or maybe he’s living his dream life right now.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: cybersmurf on 04 Dec 2019, 23:22
I wouldn't go as far as calling Claire manipulative. Pushy? Yes.
She is a very driven person - opposed to Marten - and probably doesn't understand how otter people can't be as driven. In my mind, being driven like that, combined with being trans, puts her in a "content is not enough for me. Either I'm happy, or I'll die trying" situation.

Personally, I think Marten is with Claire because she's trying to push him a little. Because he knows he kinda needs it a bit.

Also, there is a lot of possible character development on Claire's side.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: BenRG on 04 Dec 2019, 23:24
Something tells me that this is something that Marten and Claire have in common: A very clear awareness of just how steep the drop beyond the ledge of their current situation is. Neither of them are comfortable with contemplating it but it affects them in different ways: Martin hangs on even tighter to the current adequate safety line he has in his life whilst Claire throws herself into finding the strongest rope she can and climb to the top.

Meanwhile, I don't know if Pintsize thinks Marten is serious or if it's just in his nature to leap in with a witty comment now and then!

Have you read "Harry Potter and Methods of Rationality (https://www.hpmor.com/)"? Being prepared for worst-case scenarios is one of Harry's core goals in this fanfic.

Yeah, didn't like it at all.

Personally, I think Marten is with Claire because she's trying to push him a little. Because he knows he kinda needs it a bit.

Agreed. Marten knows he needs the occasional push; being wild about lots of other aspects of Claire (both physical and personality) helps a lot.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: pwhodges on 05 Dec 2019, 01:47
My current 26-year marriage has included a few conversations similar to that being illustrated.  They certainly did neither me nor my marriage any harm.  I don't really get why people are piling on Claire so heavily this soon in the process.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: Tova on 05 Dec 2019, 02:31
Same here, PW. Our lives and our relationship are all the stronger for it. If someone you love can't give you a little push in the direction you deep down want to travel in, who can?

I think that Claire simply rubs some people the wrong way - and this is an old grudge. It's been a long time since comics #2205 (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2205) - #2208 (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2208) raised hackles among forumites. The fact that the negative reaction is fresh in my memory is probably an indication of how strongly I admire her sense of knowing precisely what it is she has a passion for.

She's passionate about books and library science, and she has a goal to make a living from that passion. I wouldn't say she is very driven. There are a lot of people like her. Some of them go to much greater extremes to reach their goals than Claire does.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: artag on 05 Dec 2019, 04:29
AIs seem like the perfect roommates as long as you've got a solid charging supply. No dirty dishes in the sink, scum in the bath or bizarre growths in the fridge. Just sit them a corner with a plug for company like Bubbles does (did ?).

Unless, of course, they're Pintsize :(.
 
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: BenRG on 05 Dec 2019, 04:34
Of course, there is the personality compatibility issue to deal with. Remember the problems that Dale (and, later, Marigold) had with May and her winning personality? Or there is Melon and her difficulties with observational reality!

No-one is just a plug-in appliance, I'm afraid, not even someone as nice as Bubbles, who had her own issues with socialisation to handle.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: bhtooefr on 05 Dec 2019, 05:06
...yeah, when I was observing the ambition mismatch, I don't see a relationship-ending scenario here.

Friction? Oh, there'll definitely be friction - that's just a fact of life, and working through it makes things strong.

Them breaking up and Claire being written out of the story? Nah, I don't think that's how it'll go. (Hell, even if they break up, which I don't see happening, you all who want Claire written out probably won't get your wish.)
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 05 Dec 2019, 06:14
The question of Marten's life goals has come up before
in this one (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1036/) and  this one. (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1292/)

Also this one (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1340/) and also  this one. (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1408/)
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: cybersmurf on 05 Dec 2019, 06:52
Noone gets written out of the comic unless they leave. And by leaving I mean leaving town, or leaving life.

And given the situation, Claire will try everything not to leave town, since she has supportive friends there, and a boyfriend who basically rooted there. So she'd have to die, which probably won't happen, I'd rather see Hanners die in a Friday strip which will be revealed a dream as early as Tuesday.


Don't get me wrong, I can see how people can see Claire as manipulative, but I think Faye and Bubs would've set the record straight off she actually were. I can understand why she would push Marten to follow his passion because "how can you NOT?", but in the end she'll just be disappointed her scheming didn't work out.
I can also see, how people get upset about "someone else trying to tell them how to live their lives", but we only ever see snippets of Marten's and Claire's life amd relationship, so tecunicallywe probably can never really tell.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: Roborat on 05 Dec 2019, 12:09
I guess I'm too long-term of a reader to not immediately think of 1795. (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1795)

Wow, I had completely forgotten that one (or more likely, erased it from my memory).  And you triggered a 2 hour archive binge, so thank you for that.

Also, I like how cute Claire looks in the current pages.  Not to sure about her approach here, however.  I am not sure if she is up to something, ie: being Claire; or just letting her enthusiasm get away from her.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 05 Dec 2019, 12:39
So you guys who think Claire is pushy and manipulative, how do you feel about  Penelope? (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1443/)
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 05 Dec 2019, 15:06
Can you really compare the two situations?

Wil:
- Had no job at that time.
- Never actually worked.
- Was living with his parents.

Marten:
- Has a job, admittedly one he lucked into.
- Had previous jobs, admittedly ones he hated.
- Lived on his own, then with roommates.

Penelope:
- Actually called Wil out on his lack of effort.
- Was still supportive.
- Encouraged Wil to look through the job listings there and then.

Claire:
- Went from a hypothetical to actually trying to enrol Marten in a course, without talking about it.
- Knows that Marten will never go against the flow, but still tries to push him against the flow. Even though he's clearly uncomfortable for it.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: Akima on 05 Dec 2019, 15:09
If you break a fiddle that you've been given to repair, would that be robbery with violins?
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 05 Dec 2019, 16:54
Well if he broke a fiddle, I'm sure Marten could console himself with cello shots.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: Akima on 05 Dec 2019, 17:04
That pun was viol.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: cesium133 on 05 Dec 2019, 18:39
Let’s not wallow into the tar pit of puns. We wouldn’t want to guitar on our shoes.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: Theinternetsurvivor on 05 Dec 2019, 18:51
As it has been mentioned, another "Claire manipulates someone" story.

I see this ending in one of three ways;
- In tears.
- In a lesson learned.
- Marten Reed, Instrument Repair.

And frankly, I can't see the last happening.

I don't know, I just can't stand Claire anymore. There's just something about her that sets me on edge. Actually, its not some nebulous something, its her manipulative and controlling nature. The fact that she seems to know whats best for everyone else even though its clearly apparent that Claire barely has any clue about her own life.
I honestly disagree, I see Claire being supportive of Marten to accomplish more objectives in his life, to pursue his goals and not to stay stagnant in his current position, after all as much as we wish to stay in a job we currently have, or keep our current situation as it is to stay in a relatively "safe" life, it won't last forever, we have to move on at some point and try our best to strive for even greater opportunities.

I see their relationship as one of the most mature in the QC storyline so far, and I see a lot of my own current relationship in it as well, my girlfriend is very supportive of me and she always tells me how she sees the potential I have and how I can evolve when it comes to work and a future graduation, we've been together for two years and we've been getting more mature when it comes to our relationship, and thanks to that I've been planning things for the future and hopefully will be able to accomplish them, and she gives me the moral support I need when I'm in difficult times, same thing I do to her, so in that mindset, I see Marten and Claire just looking out for each other and seeing their potential and how much they can accomplish if they strive for it.

Now, a person who thinks it knows best for everyone, would be one who tells the others what to do and what to pursue for, regardless of what that person truly wants, and that's not what Claire is doing, notice how Marten showed his options for a possible future (mostly fixing musical instruments), and she supported him anyway because she knows that will make him happy, a truly manipulative person would try to make his head to do something he don't want to do because it's more "proffitable", I know the difference because I'm currently living with a roommate that tries that on me from time to time and it's very stressful, but hopefully I'll be able to move out of here next year, we'll see.

I apologize for any grammar mistakes in my post, english is not my native language, so feel free to correct me if necessary.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 05 Dec 2019, 20:00
The Department of Labor listed musical instrument repair as the lowest stress job.

Maybe Marten could learn about saxophone repair as well, from all the sax and violins on TV.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: cesium133 on 05 Dec 2019, 20:33
Today's trivia question: The most successful musical instrument repairers in the world erhu?
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: Gyrre on 05 Dec 2019, 21:01
Of course Pintsize is a icensed notary public. :roll:
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: BenRG on 05 Dec 2019, 23:19
Panels 1 and 2 looked utterly bizarre to me until I realised that Marten and Claire were back-lit, something that I don't think Jeph has tried, at least not in recent history. The change in shadow angles made them look weirdly flat in tone, which just shows the degree to which 'on model' depends on the environment we picture the characters!

I think it's lovely that we're reminded here that Claire is very insecure and is trying to work on this by showing trust in Marten and not needing him to include her in everything. I'm hoping that Marten does catch up with Steve and we find what he has been doing since the last time we saw him (which, IIRC, was when Tortura came to tell him that she was getting married).

Finally, people have often wondered if Pintsize has a job. I'm wondering if Jeph is just kidding in the footer text or if that is Pintsize's job. If it is, I'd laugh if he was by far the most professionally successful person in the apartment!
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: cybersmurf on 05 Dec 2019, 23:46
Finally, people have often wondered if Pintsize has a job. I'm wondering if Jeph is just kidding in the footer text or if that is Pintsize's job. If it is, I'd laugh if he was by far the most professionally successful person in the apartment!

I wouldn't be surprised if Pintsize was an ordained minister. 
...Hell no, he's not going to officiate Dora's and Tai's marriage. (would be fun if he did, an noone knew beforehand)
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: namelips on 05 Dec 2019, 23:54
Yeeeesh... this hits a little close to home.

I'm 41. I have never really had dreams or ambitions. I've coasted through. I graduated, got an english degree, got a wife, had 3 kids, and eventually settled on a job as a cook.

But I don't feel like I've ever had a plan, or a goal, or any of that. I'm just always more or less content with everything. Things happen, and lots of the time they're cool things that I like, and I just let them happen. And bad things... just don't happen much. Or maybe since I have no goals or ambitions, it's really hard to throw me off course, so I barely notice bad things that would profoundly bother other people.

But recently... I've started wondering if there's more to life than just coasting through, being kinda chill, and not really doing anything. I have a vague sort of feeling of... longing. Like, I wish I wished for things. I want to want things. But I don't know how.

At least Martin could think of "well, I'd kind of like to be an old guy puttering around a workshop." I can't even get that far. People ask me what my dream job would be and I get a... blank. There's nothing I've ever really wanted to do, or felt like working toward. And it's not really limited to "job". People ask what I'd do if I had a million dollars... and I don't know. I guess fix up the house? What do people normally do with a big pile of money?

I know people seem to like the triumphant feeling of setting a goal and working to achieve it, but I have no freaking clue how they have goals. How do you get yourself to feel strongly enough about something to think you'd actually want to do it?

Sometimes I wonder if I'm a broken person, since so much of my internal experience seems to just not match at all with what I see other people experiencing.

Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: cybersmurf on 06 Dec 2019, 00:21
Sometimes I wonder if I'm a broken person, since so much of my internal experience seems to just not match at all with what I see other people experiencing.

No, you're not. Sometimes takes people a little longer to find their "calling", whatever the reasons may be.
Maybe you'll find a sudden interest in woodworking, or tinkering with old machinery.

Whatever you'll find, I'm sure there's something to spark a passion 😊


You still got a few years lead on me, but I haven't found anything that I would call "my dream job/project", but I'm doing something that's fun for now, so I surely not complaining.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: citizenfive on 06 Dec 2019, 00:22
I know people seem to like the triumphant feeling of setting a goal and working to achieve it, but I have no freaking clue how they have goals. How do you get yourself to feel strongly enough about something to think you'd actually want to do it?

Sometimes I wonder if I'm a broken person, since so much of my internal experience seems to just not match at all with what I see other people experiencing.

First of all, you're NOT broken for not having goals. There are plenty of people just like you who don't have grand goals. When you're seeing other people experiencing so many things, you need to remember that the people like you aren't going to be the ones you're hearing about. Feeling inferior or broken in some way is just the availability heuristic at work.

For me personally, I don't necessarily have grand goals (or those that I do are so far in the future that I can't do much to directly affect them at the moment), but rather short term personal projects. Doing DIY work gives me the same sort of satisfaction on a smaller scale for completing a goal. I'm terrible at being self-motivated, so I just treat my projects as things done for fun.

I hope this helps; I've heard the same sort of sentiment you have from many of my friends who look at what I do at express amazement at it.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: BenRG on 06 Dec 2019, 01:19
Speaking personally, I've always smiled bitterly at missing my 'calling', which is technical drawing. The big problems is that I didn't know what to call it and ended up going down completely the wrong track at high school to get into the field. Basically, I was called into the (somewhat odd) head of social education's office, asked "What job do you want when you're an adult?" and assigned elective classes based on that 13-year-old's stammered and uncertain listing of likes and dislikes.

In their defence, as a working class boy with an acknowledged issue with time-keeping and organisation and from one of the poorest boroughs in London, I was expected to spend the rest of my life on benefits or carrying boxes at a warehouse, so only minimum effort on their part was required.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: Wingy on 06 Dec 2019, 04:41
Finally, people have often wondered if Pintsize has a job.
He hawks his processors during downtimes, something May can't do and is still bitter about.
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I'm wondering if Jeph is just kidding in the footer text or if that is Pintsize's job. If it is, I'd laugh if he was by far the most professionally successful person in the apartment!
Notary Public isn't that lucrative.  And keep in mind that a notary can be called to court to help prove signed documents.  Can anyone imagine believing Pintsize if he said he saw something happen?
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: BenRG on 06 Dec 2019, 05:10
I'm wondering if Jeph is just kidding in the footer text or if that is Pintsize's job. If it is, I'd laugh if he was by far the most professionally successful person in the apartment!

Notary Public isn't that lucrative.  And keep in mind that a notary can be called to court to help prove signed documents.  Can anyone imagine believing Pintsize if he said he saw something happen?

It depends if his memories can be faked. If they're as good as a recording of events, then his personal reputation is almost meaningless. Beyond the judge spluttering: "Him? You were literally so badly off that you had to go to him?!?"
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: TV4Fun on 06 Dec 2019, 05:49
Whew, another near-drama experience narrowly averted.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: Wingy on 06 Dec 2019, 09:15
It depends if his memories can be faked. If they're as good as a recording of events, then his personal reputation is almost meaningless. Beyond the judge spluttering: "Him? You were literally so badly off that you had to go to him?!?"
Agreed, though how you'd get those memories exposed in a court situation remains a question.  I suppose if Pintsize can aim his laser pointer, he could simulate a TV on a blank wall.  Then all he'd have to do is keep snippets of the ID process and the actual document signing for later cases involving questions.  But, of course, the ability and desire to create a deepfake isn't beyond him...
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: Roborat on 06 Dec 2019, 12:19
So, signed affidavit huh? Is that what the young'uns are calling it nowadays?  I have so much trouble keeping up with the slang.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: greytheearthling on 06 Dec 2019, 15:13
a "content is not enough for me. Either I'm happy, or I'll die trying" situation.

That's why it's called Questionable Content — everyone's basically content, but they don't quite accept it ;)
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 06 Dec 2019, 16:56
Welcome, insightful new person!
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: Penquin47 on 06 Dec 2019, 17:47
My cousin was married to a manipulative woman.  He was a nurse, damn good at his job and passionate about it, but she kept telling everyone how he was going to go to medical school and become a doctor and make somebody of himself.

When she *finally* got it through her head that, while he left nursing to become an EMT he was not going to medical school... hello divorce papers.

Claire is asking Marten what he wants.  She's pushing him to do it, but at least she's pushing him to follow *his* ideas instead of conforming to hers.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: Theta9 on 06 Dec 2019, 18:51
a "content is not enough for me. Either I'm happy, or I'll die trying" situation.

That's why it's called Questionable Content — everyone's basically content, but they don't quite accept it ;)
Marten does.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: cybersmurf on 07 Dec 2019, 09:28
My cousin was married to a manipulative woman.  He was a nurse, damn good at his job and passionate about it, but she kept telling everyone how he was going to go to medical school and become a doctor and make somebody of himself.

When she *finally* got it through her head that, while he left nursing to become an EMT he was not going to medical school... hello divorce papers.

Claire is asking Marten what he wants.  She's pushing him to do it, but at least she's pushing him to follow *his* ideas instead of conforming to hers.

Sounds like "I'll be married to a doctor. Found someone working in the medical field, hiw hard can it be for him to go to med school?"
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: Gyrre on 07 Dec 2019, 10:08
I've long felt that Marten is in many ways Jeph's self-insert
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'guitar repair guy' is a bit of a specialist field

About two years ago it just happened, that one million subscriber YouTube channels were rarer than Nobel Prize laureates. I.e. by this measure, one million YouTube subscribers is more prestigious than the Nobel Prize. This may have changed since then, I didn't have a chance to check.

So, combining this with the parallel that BenRG has laid out: How many 'guitar repair guys' are there in the world? How many webcomic artists are there in the world? It's easy to count the former. How would you count webcomic artists? How about only those, who do it full time? Maybe only those with 1000 daily hits on their site? 10000 hits per week?

How would you count webcomic artists, if you wanted to compare this occupation with another?



Oh look, Claire's attempts to manipulate someone's life again.

The word "manipulate" usually has a negative connotation. I've never understood this sentiment. All people affect lives of others around them. People are not isolated from outside influences.

Of course, effect of all people is different. Both in who it covers, and the impact's magnitude. Some affect whole countries, some affect only their family. Some reach into your soul, others you forget the next moment.

Why do people think that Claire's influence is somehow bad?

'Manipulation' has negative connotations when it specifically refers to something being done for incredibly selfish and/or deceitful reasons.
Example: billionaires manipulate the system to extract wealth from it while adding (comparatively) little value to it.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: Mr Intrepid on 07 Dec 2019, 11:38
Claire isn't being manipulative.   She's concluded that her best life is with Marten.  And she wants to be sure his life isn't one of regret and dissatisfaction. Claire is a very focused and driven person, and Marten provides a kind of anchor, a counterweight to that.  She also realizes he can be more.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: Gyrre on 07 Dec 2019, 23:25
Claire isn't being manipulative.   She's concluded that her best life is with Marten.  And she wants to be sure his life isn't one of regret and dissatisfaction. Claire is a very focused and driven person, and Marten provides a kind of anchor, a counterweight to that.  She also realizes he can be more.

Exactly!
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: chris73 on 08 Dec 2019, 00:25
Interesting hes wanting to talk to Steve about this and not Dora, Faye etc.
I recall a while back saying that one of Martens issues is that he doesn't have enough male friends (for exactly times like these) and that having both male and female friends is better for you than friends of one gender only (which I still stand by)
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: cybersmurf on 08 Dec 2019, 21:42
Interesting hes wanting to talk to Steve about this and not Dora, Faye etc.
I recall a while back saying that one of Martens issues is that he doesn't have enough male friends (for exactly times like these) and that having both male and female friends is better for you than friends of one gender only (which I still stand by)

Well, Steve used to be a ladies' man, so Marten would be used to asking Steve about girl trouble. Seems Steve has been off a bit. Maybe that's just Steve, or Cosette  "derailed" him. Or Tortura. We will never know.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: Cornelius on 08 Dec 2019, 23:11
There's also the fact that Steve is his oldest friend. Possibly tied with Pintsize, but nobody can really fault Marten for not going to him. I mean, there might be a cathartic response, but, well...
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4146-4150 (2nd to 6th December 2019)
Post by: BenRG on 08 Dec 2019, 23:36
Poll Results Post
All Change! What genre for a reboot QC?

1. Space Opera (Coffee of Doom as a 'Star Wars'-style spaceport cantina!) - 14 (15.7%)
2. Magical Girl manga (Because we all want to see Claire and Emily with superpowers) - 13 (14.6%)
3. Cyberpunk (Basically what it is now but darker, grittier and with more augmented humans) - 11 (12.4%)

=4. Steampunk (c.f. Girl Genius) - 8 (9%)
=4. Period Comedy (Think 'Downton Abbey' or 'Pride and Prejudice' with jokes) - 8 (9%)
=6. Fighting Fantasy (Marigold the Orc?) - 7 (7.9%)
=6. High-concept Sci-Fi ('Alice Grove' universe or something similar?) - 7 (7.9%)
=8. Slice-of-Life College Kids (like 'Dumbing of Age') - 6 (6.7%)
=8. Anthropomorphic Animals (because the end of 'My Little Pony' leaves a gap in the market!) - 6 (6.7%)
10. Mainstream superheroes (Roko as Northampton's answer to the Punisher?) - 4 (4.5%)
=11. Political drama/comedy with no fantasy elements (think of 'The West Wing') - 2 (2.2%)
=11. Other (please specify in the comments) - 2 (2.2%)
13. Non-continuity social and political commentary (like 'Doonsbury' or 'Dilbert') - 1 (1.1%)

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Well, colour me very, very surprised! I would never have imagined the winners to be what they are and by what a wide margin! I really hope that Jeph sees the poll because I think it will genuinely amuse and overjoy him to know just what a strange, strange bunch of ans he has and just what  they want from their entertainment!