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Title: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: BenRG on 31 May 2020, 12:18
So, decided to go in a slightly different direction here. I'm a fan-fiction writer, when I can summon up sufficient focus to actually put things together and actually write. So, rather than ask what you think is going to happen next or what you would like to happen next, I thought: Why not be a bit more imaginative?

So, here is a list of ideas I think are all slightly plausible arcs that could be written for Questionable Content. Some are more exotic than others but I would argue that none are unthinkable. What idea is your favourite?

Me? I like the idea of Marten following up his dream of becoming a musical instrument repairman. However, this is Questionable Content and Northampton. Nothing is easy or straightforward in such a universe. Maybe he meets self-aware musical instruments with very particular ideas about how they're to be tuned? Maybe there is a ghost of a failed composer still trying to work out that piano concerto? Maybe, like in Alan Dean Foster's Spellsinger books, music really is magic... or at least sufficiently advanced technology.

What do you think? Feel free to throw your own ideas out there!
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 31 May 2020, 12:34
BenRG : creativity :: Akima : debate
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: shanejayell on 31 May 2020, 15:08
We haven't seen Faye's sister in a long time too. Have her & Mom visit.  :-D
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: Mr Intrepid on 31 May 2020, 16:27
We haven't seen Faye's sister in a long time too. Have her & Mom visit.  :-D
  Faye's mom, her sister and her girlfriend.  The one I suspect mom isn't that keen on.  Make for a "interesting" time for Faye and Bubbles.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: Sorflakne on 31 May 2020, 18:00
Marten hasn't had a storyline in forever.  Time for his bus to come back.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: shanejayell on 31 May 2020, 19:24
New strip up. Glad there was no further drama. :D
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 31 May 2020, 20:41
Marten hasn't had a storyline in forever.  Time for his bus to come back.

Sadly, it looks like Marten's tale is done...if Jeph follows the belief that there is no drama in a domestic life. It looks like Marten has been relegated to being an incidental character with the focus shifting to the broader cast.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 31 May 2020, 21:55
There's an unresolved question about what he will do if Claire's job is out of town. Drama could ensue.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: Gyrre on 31 May 2020, 22:44
I'm torn between Roko and May, Emily's other job, Emily and Raven collaboration, and the fighting ring reopening.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: BenRG on 31 May 2020, 23:14
Emily does strike me as the sort of girl who would create a Unified Field Theory whilst stoned and, when she comes around, not understand her own work (beyond thinking that it 'looks funny'). I also agree with Marten that the craziest ideas are always the ones that sound the most plausible when you think about them. That's the secret of the viral conspiracy theory.

Bubbles and Faye's body language is so nicely done in this strip. They're visibly happy to see each other and are so obviously been worried for each other. It's subtleties like that that mark Jeph out as at least trying with his art.

There's an unresolved question about what he will do if Claire's job is out of town. Drama could ensue.

I kind of like the idea of Claire scoring a job as assistant student librarian for Miskatonic University. It's only around the corner for her, relatively speaking. It has its own exotic vacation spot (sunken R'lyeh) and the town's herald is... well, he's just a guy who wants to hang out with the cool kids. He's actually scared of Yay and also of Emily for different but equally valid reasons!
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: Thrudd on 01 Jun 2020, 04:52
Emily and Raven working together on reducing to a practical size while improving the data integrity to a high level of reliability of Instantaneous Distant Communication via Quantum Entanglement.  :psyduck:
They haven't even touched on the issues of multiplexing and signal switching as yet.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 01 Jun 2020, 06:47
Union Robotics gets a really tough problem. Emily offers to help. Sam crosses two wires and ...
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: Gyrre on 01 Jun 2020, 08:11
Union Robotics gets a really tough problem. Emily offers to help. Sam crosses two wires and ...
So long as the next part isn't 'BOOM' or the AI getting fried that could be an interesting plot.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: shanejayell on 01 Jun 2020, 19:02
Back to Spooky and Roko. That was cute. It's actually nice seeing Yay/Spooky be unsure of herself.  :-D
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: Near Lurker on 01 Jun 2020, 19:41
Huh - Northampton actually has a smaller permanent population than Amherst.  Having lived in Amherst, I would not have guessed that.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: Gyrre on 01 Jun 2020, 21:26
Huh - Northampton actually has a smaller permanent population than Amherst.  Having lived in Amherst, I would not have guessed that.
i

Is that 'small' by East Coast standards, 'small' by Midwest and Southwest standards?
We've got actual by-definition hamlets in the latter two.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: Near Lurker on 01 Jun 2020, 21:42
Roughly 30k vs. 40k, so both small-ish towns, really.  But Northampton has city status and Amherst doesn't, and downtown Northampton looks more urban (despite UMass's 28-story library).
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: immortalfrieza on 01 Jun 2020, 21:55
Marten hasn't had a storyline in forever.  Time for his bus to come back.
I get the feeling Marten is at best a bit character now. I've had that feeling for a while now but seeing Marten completely abandon his dream (after Jeph spent years not even bringing up Deathmole at all much less ever actually giving them a show or something to get some progress on that dream) for something that is tangentially related at best is what cemented it. Marten's main purpose has largely always been to just prop up the rest of the cast to keep them all together and he's become not even particularly important in that capacity anymore. I think we've reached the point in the comic when Jeph could retire Marten completely and it wouldn't completely wreck the rest of the cast.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: awkwardness on 01 Jun 2020, 22:18
immortalfrieza was right: the secret of bonding really is dog pics!
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: Mr_Rose on 01 Jun 2020, 22:36
Question: when QC AIs see a canine for the first time, do they wave their manipulator appendages in the air and yell “doggy!”?
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: BenRG on 01 Jun 2020, 23:40
The humanisation of Yay continues with a tacit admission that they do feel a certain amount of awkwardness about their past behaviour. Also, yes, it is possible that they suffer from mottephobia. :-P

So, what does Yay want with the work being done by Invisible Emu? I know that they're paranoid about being discovered, feeding into my theory that they're a runaway NSA communications monitoring system. Do they like the idea of being literally invisible? If they were, just how would they abuse that because of their instinct to snoop?

I wonder how long it's been that Roko has wanted to meet the SpookyPups?
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: DaiJB on 01 Jun 2020, 23:42
I was thinking of one of the Emily scenarios, then I was thinking of the space station scenario - then I thought, "Why not one where Emily gets a job on the station? Where her wild talents and imagination would be appreciated!" ( and generally safer - i.e., not among the general unsuspecting population!  :-P )

Heck, why not a whole spin-off on board the space station, with Emily among a population of fellow propeller-heads?!  :-D 
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: Mr_Rose on 02 Jun 2020, 01:12
I was thinking of one of the Emily scenarios, then I was thinking of the space station scenario - then I thought, "Why not one where Emily gets a job on the station? Where her wild talents and imagination would be appreciated!" ( and generally safer - i.e., not among the general unsuspecting population!  :-P )

Heck, why not a whole spin-off on board the space station, with Emily among a population of fellow propeller-heads?!  :-D 
I think the NSA has several black bag squads and a hojillion lawyers on standby to prevent exactly this situation occurring, mainly to prevent either Earth or Station suffering abrupt terminal existence failure because hypercardigans are bad enough already, thank you very much.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: Tyr on 02 Jun 2020, 01:35
Union Robotics gets a really tough problem. Emily offers to help. Sam crosses two wires and ...
So long as the next part isn't 'BOOM' or the AI getting fried that could be an interesting plot.
I have a favored scenario that starts like that... and continues, in this case, with these characters to:
 
as the smoke clears, an OLDER BUBBLES stands in front of a glowing portal wearing an adorably domestic apron and holding a tray of cookies, flanked by OLDER FAYE, OLDER CLAIRE and OLDER MARTEN, who are all wearing body armor and carrying futuristic weaponry.

BUBBLES
Alright. Pay attention now, as this is where it starts getting weird. First: Have a cookie.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: BenRG on 02 Jun 2020, 01:51
Union Robotics gets a really tough problem. Emily offers to help. Sam crosses two wires and ...

That's when things get weird... and potentially an insurance liability. It takes all of Emily and Hannelore's father's respective genius and Yay pulling a few strings but they do eventually de-merge Sam and Beepatrice. However, both of them do agree that their perception of the world has been permanently altered and their minds are still quantum entangled so, occasionally, Beepatrice finds herself answering questions Sam has been asked in school several miles away. Also, Sam has got in trouble more than once by blurting out the details of the latest experiment Beeps is carrying out in her day job.

Oh, and thanks to Beepatrice's complexes on the matter, Faye now has a rival role-model in Sam's mind. That said, no-one is really complaining about Sam developing a 'save the world' complex from Beeps desperate attempts to emulate Roko or experimenting with the ex-policebot's aesthetics.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: Gyrre on 02 Jun 2020, 02:09
Roughly 30k vs. 40k, so both small-ish towns, really.  But Northampton has city status and Amherst doesn't, and downtown Northampton looks more urban (despite UMass's 28-story library).
East Coast small, got it.

EDIT: American Midwest and Southwest small involves cities with populations around 500 people or less. These are cities due to the technical definition; having at least one place of worship, at least one store, and at least one government building (usually a post office). Granted, I've seen towns with 300 people that have 3 separate churches that are all different denominations.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: somnolesence on 02 Jun 2020, 02:14
I like the idea of Faye introducing Bubs to her mother/sis/sil and seeing the reaction. However, I would be interested to see Roko going over to the apartment that Yay has with their other instances to meet the dogs.

Would allow for more exploration of how these instances are different from each other and give a counterpoint to Roko's own identity issues seeing this entity easily have multiple versions all with slight uniqueness born from their individual interactions in the world since they became realised. Plus you could have Roko think she's talking to Yay but its one of the others who reacts oddly to her compared to what she is used to from Yay.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: Gyrre on 02 Jun 2020, 02:17
I like the idea of Faye introducing Bubs to her mother/sis/sil and seeing the reaction. However, I would be interested to see Roko going over to the apartment that Yay has with their other instances to meet the dogs.

Would allow for more exploration of how these instances are different from each other and give a counterpoint to Roko's own identity issues seeing this entity easily have multiple versions all with slight uniqueness born from their individual interactions in the world since they became realised. Plus you could have Roko think she's talking to Yay but its one of the others who reacts oddly to her compared to what she is used to from Yay.
I'd be willing to bet money that they all take turns speaking parts of the same sentence just to be annoying/show off.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: dutchrvl on 02 Jun 2020, 07:46
It can't really be a coincidence that both today's QC and the most recent XKCD comic both feature crabs in more or less similar ways can it? I approve anyway..
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: Elder Sign on 02 Jun 2020, 08:24
BUBBLES
Alright. Pay attention now, as this is where it starts getting weird. First: Have a cookie.

"Here, take a cookie. I promise, by the time you're done eating it, you'll feel right as rain."
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: Near Lurker on 02 Jun 2020, 09:27
The humanisation of Yay continues with a tacit admission that they do feel a certain amount of awkwardness about their past behaviour.

I wonder if this would be considered dodgy language in the QC world.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 02 Jun 2020, 13:07
Marten will still be Faye's closest justafriend and he may appear as a sounding board for her.

EDIT:
Heartwarming new strip.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: Zebediah on 02 Jun 2020, 18:47
Bubbles is taking exactly the right tone here.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: pendrake on 02 Jun 2020, 18:58
For comic #4278... (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=4278)

crab  crab
crab  crab


That is all.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: St.Clair on 02 Jun 2020, 19:40
HUG HER DAMN YOU
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: Wagimawr on 02 Jun 2020, 20:15
Okay now Jeph is *definitely* going to drop a past relationship drama bomb on Bubbles.

Or am I giving him Willis-levels of credit?
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: Gyrre on 02 Jun 2020, 20:58
The humanisation of Yay continues with a tacit admission that they do feel a certain amount of awkwardness about their past behaviour. Also, yes, it is possible that they suffer from mottephobia. :-P

So, what does Yay want with the work being done by Invisible Emu? I know that they're paranoid about being discovered, feeding into my theory that they're a runaway NSA communications monitoring system. Do they like the idea of being literally invisible? If they were, just how would they abuse that because of their instinct to snoop?

I wonder how long it's been that Roko has wanted to meet the SpookyPups?
At a guess, they want it specifically so that they --quite literally-- don't ever have to show their faces again.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: Tova on 02 Jun 2020, 21:04
Okay now Jeph is *definitely* going to drop a past relationship drama bomb on Bubbles.

Or am I giving him Willis-levels of credit?

"Definitely! ... maybe?"  :lol:

I don't read Willis, and can't comment on whether comparing Jeph to him is really "crediting" him.

I feel like if he was going to do that, he just would have done it, rather than have the characters process it beforehand. I don't see what such a development would explore that the current storyline hasn't explored already.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: SeattleCrochetWoman on 02 Jun 2020, 21:38
Marten hasn't had a storyline in forever.  Time for his bus to come back.
I get the feeling Marten is at best a bit character now. I've had that feeling for a while now but seeing Marten completely abandon his dream (after Jeph spent years not even bringing up Deathmole at all much less ever actually giving them a show or something to get some progress on that dream) for something that is tangentially related at best is what cemented it. Marten's main purpose has largely always been to just prop up the rest of the cast to keep them all together and he's become not even particularly important in that capacity anymore. I think we've reached the point in the comic when Jeph could retire Marten completely and it wouldn't completely wreck the rest of the cast.

What about Claire?
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: Mordhaus on 02 Jun 2020, 22:48
The reason Faye is offscreen is because she fell due to dehydration in the form of tears leaving her eyes. That was romantic.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: BenRG on 02 Jun 2020, 23:11
I'm pretty sure that Jeph is currently angling things towards a double or possibly even treble wedding. I don't have a problem with that and I strongly suspect that it would make economic sense! Meanwhile, yes, Bubbles, for all her stoic demeanour, is a being of the strongest feelings, love being one of them. She's been through lots of bad places but, here and now, she's seeing the sunlight again.

Meanwhile, it tells me a lot about Emily that I have no idea if she's come down yet or not. There is literally no indicative behaviour there at all!
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: pwhodges on 03 Jun 2020, 02:34
For comic #4278... (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=4278)

crab  crab
crab  crab


That is all.

I presume that is a reference to Monday's xkcd:

(https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/carcinization.png)
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: shanejayell on 03 Jun 2020, 06:55
Aww, Bubbles. :D

One reason I want her to meet Faye's Mom is that it'd be oddly reassuring. "My daughter is in good hands" or something.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: BenRG on 03 Jun 2020, 07:11
Aww, Bubbles. :D

One reason I want her to meet Faye's Mom is that it'd be oddly reassuring. "My daughter is in good hands" or something.

My preferred scenario is that Faye sucks it up and tells her mother all about Bubbles. The two ladies then travel to Savannah to face the music, only to find that the music is very pleasant. The ladies at Faye's childhood church are very pleased  that Faye is 'settling down' after a period of instability (with sad looks and whispered mentions of 'poor David' when they think Faye isn't listening) with considerable praise going to her starting her own business ("Better than all that silly 'art' thing, dear"). Some curtain-twitcher's enterprising son or grandson has looked up Bubbles's record on-line and found a long list of awards and commendations and this has led to the congregation deciding that she is a 'fine, patriotic young woman' and thus an ideal surrogate daughter of the community.

Last panel is a 'deer frozen in the headlights' Faye and Bubbles in their Sunday best at the church with locals lining up to welcome them.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: Rincewind on 03 Jun 2020, 08:18
I hope tomorrows strip starts with "art imitating life"
(https://i.imgur.com/Kxq8Z61.jpg)
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 03 Jun 2020, 09:02
Depart In Peace.

Bubbles is taking exactly the right tone here.

Making the most of what you have. A healthy attitude.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 03 Jun 2020, 09:41
Some curtain-twitcher's enterprising son or grandson has looked up Bubbles's record on-line and found a long list of awards and commendations and this has led to the congregation deciding that she is a 'fine, patriotic young woman' and thus an ideal surrogate daughter of the community.

Being a veteran will take you a very long way in the South.

I would expect Mrs. Whitaker to require some time to get used to the idea.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: awkwardness on 03 Jun 2020, 11:12
Roughly 30k vs. 40k, so both small-ish towns, really.  But Northampton has city status and Amherst doesn't, and downtown Northampton looks more urban (despite UMass's 28-story library).
East Coast small, got it.

EDIT: American Midwest and Southwest small involves cities with populations around 500 people or less. These are cities due to the technical definition; having at least one place of worship, at least one store, and at least one government building (usually a post office). Granted, I've seen towns with 300 people that have 3 separate churches that are all different denominations.

For what it's worth: city status is meaningless except in name. There is no real difference between the two anymore, it's all in how things are viewed. Easthamption, the only other city in Hampshire County(where Amherst and Northampton are located) has 21,000 people LESS than Amherst yet has been a city designation. Amherst could easily just be called "City of Amherst" but they refuse to lose the "charm" that being called "Town of Amherst" causes.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: theMarc on 03 Jun 2020, 11:33
There's a store in the background of the 3rd panel called Perhaps Computers? Probably run by Why Not Zoidberg?
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: Roborat on 03 Jun 2020, 11:34
I am wondering, is Marten ever going to get his t-shirt back from Bubbles? It is definitely going to be stretched all out of shape.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: Mr Intrepid on 03 Jun 2020, 12:18
I am wondering, is Marten ever going to get his t-shirt back from Bubbles? It is definitely going to be stretched all out of shape.
i believe that's actually Faye's shirt.  She had it before she met Bubbles.
Marten's signature shirt is the blue "Teh" shirt.  And Claire may have appropriated that along the way.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: Zebediah on 03 Jun 2020, 12:52
Claire had her own Teh-shirt (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2791) before she started dating Marten.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: pwhodges on 03 Jun 2020, 15:45
That's never been Marten's T-shirt - it was always Faye's.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: pwhodges on 03 Jun 2020, 15:47
Claire had her own Teh-shirt (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2791) before she started dating Marten.

She'd probably seen it on him by then, though, and could well have got one like it for that reason.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: jwhouk on 03 Jun 2020, 15:51
Yeah, I mean, this guy in town sells them through his online shop (https://topatoco.com/collections/jeph-jacques/products/qc-teh).
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: pwhodges on 03 Jun 2020, 16:09
What a coincidence! - that's where I got mine from!
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: Uniquitous on 03 Jun 2020, 18:03
Re: Faye's dad. Fuckin' fuck, man. Fuuuuuck. (Yes, I am very erudite, why do you ask?)
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: shanejayell on 03 Jun 2020, 18:39
Well, that's a downer ....  :-o
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 03 Jun 2020, 18:45
Remember the climax of "Inside Out"?

It is sad but allow her to move forward.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: TieDyeKat on 03 Jun 2020, 18:53
...dammit Jeph...

Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: Penquin47 on 03 Jun 2020, 18:54
Straight for the feels today, isn't it?  Ow.

But honestly, I think Faye's dad would agree completely with Faye that she should keep what she has now instead of bringing him back.  Nothing for her to be sorry for.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: St.Clair on 03 Jun 2020, 19:05
damn, that is hard.
and I'm sure she's been carrying that around for a while.  like, probably the day after it happened.
lots of people say "I would give anything if"... but sometimes, what you'd be giving up is even more valuable.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: Torlek on 03 Jun 2020, 19:32
When you try so hard to move on for so long but can't, then you finally do without realizing it.....
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: chris73 on 03 Jun 2020, 19:48
I know this is supposed to be an emotional break through but unfortunately because its Faye I'm just not feeling anything for her. I mean I'm glad its happened for her but only in a way I'd be glad for anyone in her situation but as its Faye I'm more like...meh
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: Theta9 on 03 Jun 2020, 20:05
I hope tomorrows strip starts with "art imitating life"
(https://i.imgur.com/Kxq8Z61.jpg)
You want a sexual assault? (https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/02/22/wwiis-most-iconic-kiss-wasnt-romantic-it-was-assault/)
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: Mordhaus on 03 Jun 2020, 21:03
Annnnnnd... Scene.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: Gyrre on 03 Jun 2020, 21:28
Marten hasn't had a storyline in forever.  Time for his bus to come back.
I get the feeling Marten is at best a bit character now. I've had that feeling for a while now but seeing Marten completely abandon his dream (after Jeph spent years not even bringing up Deathmole at all much less ever actually giving them a show or something to get some progress on that dream) for something that is tangentially related at best is what cemented it. Marten's main purpose has largely always been to just prop up the rest of the cast to keep them all together and he's become not even particularly important in that capacity anymore. I think we've reached the point in the comic when Jeph could retire Marten completely and it wouldn't completely wreck the rest of the cast.

What about Claire?
Depends on how he gets retired.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: Carl-E on 03 Jun 2020, 22:26
I was not expecting a gut punch. 




Then again, one never does. 
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: DaiJB on 03 Jun 2020, 22:54
Ow - the things that pop up from the bottom of your psyche when you least expect it...

(Well done, Jeph!)


Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: awkwardness on 03 Jun 2020, 23:56
Dangit...Faye's right. A lot of us want loved ones to come back, but in doing so everything about their lives changes and a lot of things may not be fore the better.

Sometimes it's best that the dead stay dead and memories stay forgotten...the changes aren't worth what you'll lose.

Now if you'll excuse me, someone is cutting onions near me and causing my eyes to burn  :cry:
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: awkwardness on 03 Jun 2020, 23:59
Marten hasn't had a storyline in forever.  Time for his bus to come back.
I get the feeling Marten is at best a bit character now. I've had that feeling for a while now but seeing Marten completely abandon his dream (after Jeph spent years not even bringing up Deathmole at all much less ever actually giving them a show or something to get some progress on that dream) for something that is tangentially related at best is what cemented it. Marten's main purpose has largely always been to just prop up the rest of the cast to keep them all together and he's become not even particularly important in that capacity anymore. I think we've reached the point in the comic when Jeph could retire Marten completely and it wouldn't completely wreck the rest of the cast.

What about Claire?
Depends on how he gets retired.

Sadly it's either they have a nasty breakup, he dies in a horrific accident, or suddenly has the Angus treatment and is able to follow his dreams and has to breakup with Claire to follow them...none of those involve Claire leaving too, unless Jeph wanted to keep them together as a couple and forcibly retires her too
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: BenRG on 04 Jun 2020, 00:02
I posted this before but the thing is that Faye has never really had a chance to properly mourn her father. She had a total mental breakdown after seeing him killing himself and was hospitalised after a suicide attempt not to long afterwards. She then lapsed into alcoholism and had been 'self-medicating' ever since. She's never been in the position where she was able to process everything that happened to her.

Now she's been dry for a while and is in a situation where she feels relatively safe (with Bubbles and with her social connection firm thanks to her friendships), I think that it is all going to start pouring out of her in various ways and in various times. Mostly unexpectedly, like today.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: pwhodges on 04 Jun 2020, 01:47
Sometimes it's best that the dead stay dead and memories stay forgottenmemories...

Fixed that for you; it's not necessary to forget, just to accept.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: chris73 on 04 Jun 2020, 03:06
I posted this before but the thing is that Faye has never really had a chance to properly mourn her father. She had a total mental breakdown after seeing him killing himself and was hospitalised after a suicide attempt not to long afterwards. She then lapsed into alcoholism and had been 'self-medicating' ever since. She's never been in the position where she was able to process everything that happened to her.

Now she's been dry for a while and is in a situation where she feels relatively safe (with Bubbles and with her social connection firm thanks to her friendships), I think that it is all going to start pouring out of her in various ways and in various times. Mostly unexpectedly, like today.

Well she was in a pretty safe place with Marten for years but chose not to
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: BenRG on 04 Jun 2020, 03:19
Well she was in a pretty safe place with Marten for years but chose not to

She was struggling with addiction at that time and was still in such a bad place that she made two debatable suicide attempts (the fire and her drinking herself into unconsciousness).
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: chris73 on 04 Jun 2020, 03:41
Well she was in a pretty safe place with Marten for years but chose not to

She was struggling with addiction at that time and was still in such a bad place that she made two debatable suicide attempts (the fire and her drinking herself into unconsciousness).

I didn't realise they were suicide attempts, so its considered canon?
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: dutchrvl on 04 Jun 2020, 05:37
I wouldn't go that far. The first one she sort of hinted herself that she may or may not have steered deliberately towards the tree (if I remember correctly), and the second one I don't think was ever established as a suicide attempt (nor do I think it was).
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: dutchrvl on 04 Jun 2020, 05:42
Dangit...Faye's right. A lot of us want loved ones to come back, but in doing so everything about their lives changes and a lot of things may not be fore the better.

Sometimes it's best that the dead stay dead and memories stay forgotten...the changes aren't worth what you'll lose.

Now if you'll excuse me, someone is cutting onions near me and causing my eyes to burn  :cry:

Absolutely. You know how many times in movies/books etc. people say stuff like "I'd do anything for 1 more day with my dad/mom" or somesuch similar?
Yeah, that's a hard no for me. I loved my dad and would love for him to still be around, even if only for 1 more day, but would I change what has happened in my life for it? No, let alone 'do anything' for it. Fond memories provide a smile every day, and that will do :)
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: Welu on 04 Jun 2020, 07:25
Oof...
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: Rincewind on 04 Jun 2020, 08:18

Quote
You want a sexual assault?

Not really, no.  I was thinking more along the lines of a great big hug and a passionate kiss.  I had never heard about that iconic picture (that I saw in Time magazine) actually being an assault!  Ya learn sumthin' new every day.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 04 Jun 2020, 09:42
Sometimes it's best that the dead stay dead and memories stay forgottenmemories...

Fixed that for you; it's not necessary to forget, just to accept.

One of my favorite quotes is "Forgiveness means letting go of the hope for a better past".
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: thErgonomic on 04 Jun 2020, 14:17
A-and... Stage seven.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: shanejayell on 04 Jun 2020, 18:43
Awww. Yeah, good scene...
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: Coleman on 04 Jun 2020, 21:17
While it is an awesome scene I couldn't help but think that Forever may not mean the same thing to each of them. I don't recall but has it ever been discussed how long AI live? Have AI been around long enough to have to deal with differences between human and AI lifespans or are AI still new enough that this hasn't come up yet?

This was bothering me enough I came here to register and ask :laugh:
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 04 Jun 2020, 22:24
Welcome, new person with an important question!

There was a very early strip where Marten told Pintsize he was probably effectively immortal. Since then Jeph's characterization of synthetics has changed so much that it's not necessarily canon.

Since transferring into new bodies is a well-documented possibility for AIs they should be able to live as long as their software operates correctly. We don't know whether there are hidden flaws in their consciousness that will show up decades down the road.

At a guess the marriage will last as long as Faye's life.

EDIT:
It's been mentioned that AIs are vulnerable to accidents and violence. Bubbles doubtless has a reinforced core though.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: awkwardness on 04 Jun 2020, 22:40
Sometimes it's best that the dead stay dead and memories stay forgottenmemories...

Fixed that for you; it's not necessary to forget, just to accept.

Fixed it for the better. Moving on doesn't mean forgetting the past, it just means accepting the present and hoping to change the future.

Dangit, those two are causing us to have philosophical feelings. I really wanted to not remember "what if" and now think a lot of "should have beens" are best left never being changed...
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: awkwardness on 04 Jun 2020, 22:43
I posted this before but the thing is that Faye has never really had a chance to properly mourn her father. She had a total mental breakdown after seeing him killing himself and was hospitalised after a suicide attempt not to long afterwards. She then lapsed into alcoholism and had been 'self-medicating' ever since. She's never been in the position where she was able to process everything that happened to her.

Now she's been dry for a while and is in a situation where she feels relatively safe (with Bubbles and with her social connection firm thanks to her friendships), I think that it is all going to start pouring out of her in various ways and in various times. Mostly unexpectedly, like today.

I disagree regarding her not getting the chance to properly mourn. She did, and she moved on in her own way years later. However, it's the accepting that things might have been different and maybe it's best that they not have changed that she's just now accepting. To me, those are completely different things and are not mutually exclusive. She missed him and wanted things to change as a lot of people want, but she realizes it's best to accept that she can't change the past and has a good present with her friends and Bubbles.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 04 Jun 2020, 23:10
The scene at the graveside looked like closure, but her problems persisted and got dangerously worse afterward.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: BenRG on 04 Jun 2020, 23:23
"I'm not a monster?" It says a lot about how much of Faye's problems persist that there's a part of her that really needs that reassurance.

There's something about that last panel that worries me. Something about this whole micro-arc has got me concerned that this is going to be a turning point for Faye. It could be positive or this is the moment where the new character conflict begins and I really think that it may start in the very next strip with this kiss interrupted. Optimistically, a Tesla-X appears in a flash of light and screeches to a halt, knocking over some dumpsters. Raven jumps out and yells "Faye! You've got to come back with me!"

"Raven? It's good to see you but come back where?"

"Where do you think? Back to the future!"

"Woah, Raven, I'm not going anywhere! You may have missed it but my girlfriend and I are having a moment here and..."

"Well, bring her too! It concerns her as well!"

"Wait a moment, Raven! What happens to us in the future? I mean... Do we both turn out bums, assholes or something?"

"No, no, no Faye! You and Bubbles turn out fine! It's your kids Faye! Something hast got to be done about those kids of yours!"

While it is an awesome scene I couldn't help but think that Forever may not mean the same thing to each of them. I don't recall but has it ever been discussed how long AI live? Have AI been around long enough to have to deal with differences between human and AI lifespans or are AI still new enough that this hasn't come up yet?

Which reminds me of my still-unwritten fan-story where Bubbles designs a housing for Faye's brain that will last a lot longer than this current one. Faye has to confront the question of whether Bubbles is worth giving up her humanity, with Roko mentioning that the chassis proposed is so high fidelity that Faye would literally only be giving up calcium-carbon-hydrogen construction in favour of titanium/silicon.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 04 Jun 2020, 23:30
>those kids of yours

WE ARE WORKING ON THAT TECHNOLOGY
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: JoeCovenant on 05 Jun 2020, 02:16
>those kids of yours

WE ARE WORKING ON THAT TECHNOLOGY

No-one ever seems to address the fact that the 2nd movie wasn't really about "Something’s gotta Be done About your kids!" at all...
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: Scarlet Manuka on 05 Jun 2020, 03:09
Dangit...Faye's right. A lot of us want loved ones to come back, but in doing so everything about their lives changes and a lot of things may not be fore the better.

Sometimes it's best that the dead stay dead and memories stay forgotten...the changes aren't worth what you'll lose.
There's an interesting exploration of this theme in Stephen Baxter's book Transcendent. A part of far-future humanity attempts first to witness, then undo, the suffering of humans in the past. But having an imperfect recreation of your dead wife turn up years later isn't as comforting as they had imagined.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: Mr_Rose on 05 Jun 2020, 04:25
>those kids of yours

WE ARE WORKING ON THAT TECHNOLOGY

No-one ever seems to address the fact that the 2nd movie wasn't really about "Something’s gotta Be done About your kids!" at all...
But it was… they just got distracted in the middle a little… :P
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: Roborat on 05 Jun 2020, 11:37
I am wondering, is Marten ever going to get his t-shirt back from Bubbles? It is definitely going to be stretched all out of shape.
i believe that's actually Faye's shirt.  She had it before she met Bubbles.
Marten's signature shirt is the blue "Teh" shirt.  And Claire may have appropriated that along the way.

Ah, I got them mixed up, been too long since I did an archive dive obviously.  Okay, just pretend I said Faye, not Marten.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: Roborat on 05 Jun 2020, 11:41
And the arc finishes on a kiss.

Cue narrator: Since the invention of the kiss there have been five kisses that were rated the most passionate, the most pure. This one vapourized the town and large areas of the surrounding county.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: Theta9 on 05 Jun 2020, 12:01
>those kids of yours

WE ARE WORKING ON THAT TECHNOLOGY

No-one ever seems to address the fact that the 2nd movie wasn't really about "Something’s gotta Be done About your kids!" at all...
But it was… they just got distracted in the middle a little… :P
No, the future kids trip was just a vehicle to get the future sports almanac into past Biff's hands.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: thErgonomic on 05 Jun 2020, 12:22
Mechanical and biological immortality does not render invincibility. And, considering that there is AIs walking around, what is there to prevent transference of human memories and personalities into an AI cell in the not so distant future?

...can AIs have offspring?
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: hedgie on 05 Jun 2020, 12:42
Things on my computer spawn child processes all the time.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 05 Jun 2020, 12:57
I really expected it to end with a marriage proposal. They've taken their vows, might as well make it official.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: cesium133 on 05 Jun 2020, 14:44
>those kids of yours

WE ARE WORKING ON THAT TECHNOLOGY

No-one ever seems to address the fact that the 2nd movie wasn't really about "Something’s gotta Be done About your kids!" at all...
But it was… they just got distracted in the middle a little… :P
No, the future kids trip was just a vehicle to get the future sports almanac into past Biff's hands.
What I seem to recall from the directors' commentary on the DVD was that since the first film was written separately, they hadn't originally planned for any sequels. Then when they went to write the second movie, they ended up basically BSing their way out of having to make the whole movie about the kids.

That's also why Jennifer is pretty much discarded in an alley at the beginning of the second movie, and doesn't really come back in any significant role until the end of the third movie.

They also did something similar with the 'don't call me chicken' retcon: Marty never says the line in the first movie. They came up with it for the scene in the Cafe 80s, because they needed Marty to stay and fight in a situation where any sensible person would run away.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: awkwardness on 05 Jun 2020, 15:06
The scene at the graveside looked like closure, but her problems persisted and got dangerously worse afterward.

You hit the nail there (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=605), his death actually triggered another issue that was resolved: her pushing people away because he hurt her by committing suicide. She accepted it, got help for that, and moved on. Her wanting him back was something that lingered but that was natural and something everyone has in regards to lost loved ones. The big issue, her alcoholism, was something else entirely and was addressed several times over the course of the strip but didn't become a huge issue until after her breakup with Angus. It doesn't need a trigger, it can be there without anyone knowing and only come to a head when something else that is completely unrelated triggers it.

For what it's worth, you can be an alcoholic and have no other issues. A large number of alcoholics are simply addicted to the stuff, there doesn't have to be any outside issues to it.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: awkwardness on 05 Jun 2020, 15:13
>those kids of yours

WE ARE WORKING ON THAT TECHNOLOGY

No-one ever seems to address the fact that the 2nd movie wasn't really about "Something’s gotta Be done About your kids!" at all...
But it was… they just got distracted in the middle a little… :P
No, the future kids trip was just a vehicle to get the future sports almanac into past Biff's hands.

If you really think about it, they never got the chance because they had to fix the issue that the almanac caused so the third movie not only didn't resolve it but completely ignored it as well...so we're left to assume that he either rebuilt the time machine or used the time train to fix the issue in the future by preventing it.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: cesium133 on 05 Jun 2020, 15:15
They did steal back the almanac and burn it, which reset the timeline, though there may have been other changes that weren't reverted, since Biff temporarily had the almanac. But, since he never got to place any bets, he never became Donald Trump.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: Tova on 05 Jun 2020, 15:26
I mean, thank goodness for that, right? ...
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: cesium133 on 05 Jun 2020, 15:52
Well, yeah, that version of history sucked. Good thing they changed it.

They did change it, right?
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: Tova on 05 Jun 2020, 16:32
Yes and no.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: cesium133 on 05 Jun 2020, 16:46
...Biff went on to run for president, didn't he.

Shit.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: St.Clair on 05 Jun 2020, 19:16
When we see Old Biff return to 2015, he seems to be in some distress as he's trying to get out of the DeLorean.  Fanon is that Lorraine eventually got up the (possibly liquid) courage to do him in sometime after 1985a, and he's in the process of fading out as that catches up with him.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: BenRG on 05 Jun 2020, 23:35
Well, yeah, that version of history sucked. Good thing they changed it.

They did change it, right?

After the third movie created another altered timeline starting in the 1880s (hence the ravine being renamed 'Eastwood Gulch') everything is up for grabs. We're assuming 1985/3 is mostly the same as 1985/2 because we see the second version of Lorraine and George in the house but, beyond that, everything is up to the fans to determine in their own head-canons.

When we see Old Biff return to 2015, he seems to be in some distress as he's trying to get out of the DeLorean.  Fanon is that Lorraine eventually got up the (possibly liquid) courage to do him in sometime after 1985a, and he's in the process of fading out as that catches up with him.

My fanon is that losing the almanac and the fact that Marty is apparently in league with Space Aliens broke Biff-B (the one from the 'Biffhorriffic' 1985). He never regained his mojo and losing his 'lucky charm' (the almanac) destroyed his self-confidence. Increasingly paranoid that Lorraine and George's kids were plotting against him, he tried to kill them in a ludicrously ill-thought-out manner. His wealth and power enabled him to avoid prosecution and divorce Lorraine without having to make any maintenance provisions for her. However, he was now quickly burning through all the favours he was owed by his organised crime contacts and, having lost the almanac, he could no longer pay them off by winning them sporting bets. Having finally used up all his legendary luck, he started making too many dangerous enemies and getting too deeply in debt to 'creditors' who cared nothing for the law; ultimately he was killed, like his long-time idol and role model Ben 'Bugsy' Seigel, some time in the early 1990s.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: Mr_Rose on 06 Jun 2020, 00:53
>those kids of yours

WE ARE WORKING ON THAT TECHNOLOGY

No-one ever seems to address the fact that the 2nd movie wasn't really about "Something’s gotta Be done About your kids!" at all...
But it was… they just got distracted in the middle a little… :P
No, the future kids trip was just a vehicle to get the future sports almanac into past Biff's hands.

If you really think about it, they never got the chance because they had to fix the issue that the almanac caused so the third movie not only didn't resolve it but completely ignored it as well...so we're left to assume that he either rebuilt the time machine or used the time train to fix the issue in the future by preventing it.
That’s the thing though, they did fix the problem with the kids; Griff ended up in jail, so Marty jr. never went with him to do… whatever it was that go him in trouble… so Marlene has no reason to get into trouble for (failing to) bust him out. With Griff and his entire gang arrested, their influence on jr. vanishes like dust in the rain so he’s probably fine, even if he does end up halfway between Original George and Seamus in personality.
Of course all of this was erased and made irrelevant when Marty tricked Needles in the truck race after returning from 1885, meaning he never hurt his hand, could continue to play guitar and possibly pursue a career as a rock musician, but definitely not have his confidence shattered or have to deal with the disappointment and disapproval garnered from everyone he knows by wrecking his brand-new truck first time out, with his girlfriend on board too.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: the silent firefly on 06 Jun 2020, 14:22
I posted this before but the thing is that Faye has never really had a chance to properly mourn her father. She had a total mental breakdown after seeing him killing himself and was hospitalised after a suicide attempt not to long afterwards. She then lapsed into alcoholism and had been 'self-medicating' ever since. She's never been in the position where she was able to process everything that happened to her.

Now she's been dry for a while and is in a situation where she feels relatively safe (with Bubbles and with her social connection firm thanks to her friendships), I think that it is all going to start pouring out of her in various ways and in various times. Mostly unexpectedly, like today.

I disagree regarding her not getting the chance to properly mourn. She did, and she moved on in her own way years later. However, it's the accepting that things might have been different and maybe it's best that they not have changed that she's just now accepting. To me, those are completely different things and are not mutually exclusive. She missed him and wanted things to change as a lot of people want, but she realizes it's best to accept that she can't change the past and has a good present with her friends and Bubbles.

The scene at the graveside looked like closure, but her problems persisted and got dangerously worse afterward.


i think it is the difference between forgiving him for what he did and forgiving herself for how she has felt about it and dealt with it.

(sorry to interrupt the BttF lovefest, i guess that's the weekend)
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4276 to 4280 (1st to 5th June 2020)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 06 Jun 2020, 17:12
I think that could be a key insight. Also, if I haven't said it already, welcome!