I’ve been wondering if Mays status is going to affect things at all. Like is she permitted to receive the benefit of online anything as part of the terms of her parole? Yeah technically she didn’t set up the website or solicit donations, nor did she get involved at all, but the law can be an ass like that.Crap. Hadn't thought of those issues.
Or if the AI’s at the body shop will make trouble for her, pretending not to have the correct transfer cable or claiming that, again, parole terms prevent it because it’s technically online activity somehow?
Or if the AI’s at the body shop will make trouble for her, pretending not to have the correct transfer cable or claiming that, again, parole terms prevent it because it’s technically online activity somehow?
Well yeah, but it’d be embarrassing, humiliating, and depressing all at once and May doesn’t need that shit. Also it adds more delay that her current chassis is clearly not ready to support.QuoteOr if the AI’s at the body shop will make trouble for her, pretending not to have the correct transfer cable or claiming that, again, parole terms prevent it because it’s technically online activity somehow?
That one would be easy to work around. Union Robotics could order a complete chassis as easily as they order parts.
But...but...they've OPENED it! It won't be worth sh*t now!
But...but...they've OPENED it! It won't be worth sh*t now!
Pun intended? ;D
So my guess is that we see Roko soon, to consult as to any legal questions. But would any restrictions be on her chassis, or embedded in her substrate? In her interview with who I presume is her parole officer, they said they didn't have a chassis to give her. Nothing was said as to whether or not there was a legal impediment. If May were to get a job as say a welder, wouldn't she just transfer over to the welder?As far as we know, May isn't being directly tracked or anything, so it shouldn't be an issue to get a new chassis, and if is IS, they should be able and willing to just slap whatever lo-jacking was on the old chassis onto the new one, as there MUST be AI offenders who have aa body before going into the clink, which, as far as I know, means there are AI offenders who would have a not-parole-level chassis as an option.
There are so many things wrong with that movie, but "Bloosh?" I...I don't even want to know...I'll spoil it, just in case.
As far as we know, May isn't being directly tracked or anything, so it shouldn't be an issue to get a new chassis, and if it IS, they should be able and willing to just slap whatever lo-jacking was on the old chassis onto the new one, as there MUST be AI offenders who have a body before going into the clink, which, as far as I know, means there are AI offenders who would have a not-parole-level chassis as an option.
At least it's keeping May entertained :D
I love Dale's posture in this comic. He looks like he's analyzing every frame in that movie.
If there was a legal complication, wouldn't Spooky know about it? If she's not concerned.... ?
Spooky tends to mind their own business, unless they're specifically asked to do something (like donate money for May's new chassis). If Roko were to ask them: "Do you anticipate any trouble with this endeavor?", then they would answer her fairly.
At least it's keeping May entertained :D
Yeah, it makes sense that this is something that would fit in with May's favourite source of humour: The utterly bizarre things that humans do because they get a brief endorphin spike out of it!I love Dale's posture in this comic. He looks like he's analyzing every frame in that movie.
Dale is an animé nerd. He'll probably write a 10,000+ word essay on his blog about the myriad artistic and technical flaws in the production. Maybe: "Have I At Last Seen a Worse Film Than Shalamayan's Avatar?"
I can't help but notice that Yay's current hairstyle includes a set of horns.
I can't help but notice that Yay's current hairstyle includes a set of horns.
I can't help but notice that Yay's current hairstyle includes a set of horns.
I can't help but notice that Yay's current hairstyle includes a set of horns.Double ahoge! All the waaaaaaaay!
Is brain uploading still impossible in the QC universe? Because I'm all but certain Emily uploaded a copy of her brain into a robot and named it Melon at this point.Hanners has stated that her father is working on it, but we haven't gotten an update on his progress.
Three horns, in fact.I can't help but notice that Yay's current hairstyle includes a set of horns.
It's not the first time (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=4292)
I'm more worried about the parole terms. For humans, a housing plan has to be approved, and changes of address must at least be reported. For a synthetic, there's the issue that changing their appearance could be used to avoid detection after a crime.
Why would such a code be in the chassis when the substrate of their mind units has got to be unique?
I'd imagine that AIs would be required to broadcast some form of digital signature - perhaps tied to the specific substrate they're running on?
Quote from: Farideh on Yesterday at 18:19Wouldn't be the first time Dale has mimicked Gendo.
I love Dale's posture in this comic. He looks like he's analyzing every frame in that movie.
He looks like Gendo Ikari from Evangelion in that pose. Intentional or subconscious? The world may never know. :grumpypuss:
Why would such a code be in the chassis when the substrate of their mind units has got to be unique? Police looking for an AI are looking for the mind unit, not whatever form it is in now. My conception of robot jail is a huge server farm where the AIs have no choice but to calculate [big problem intermediate results]...Mining Bitcoins or analyzing deep packet searches?
There are so many things wrong with that movie, but "Bloosh?" I...I don't even want to know...Not gonna lie, those sound affects make me want to watch this anime now.
Pintsize has been known to 'eat' cake mix (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=20).And raw ground beef (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3184).
That just brings up all of the arguments and concerns against RFID-chipping humans.I'm more worried about the parole terms. For humans, a housing plan has to be approved, and changes of address must at least be reported. For a synthetic, there's the issue that changing their appearance could be used to avoid detection after a crime.
I'd imagine that AIs would be required to broadcast some form of digital signature - perhaps tied to the specific substrate they're running on? If AIs could evade identification with something akin to MAC spoofing, QCverse law enforcement would have some serious trouble, I suppose?
Pintsize has been known to 'eat' cake mix (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=20).
Why would such a code be in the chassis when the substrate of their mind units has got to be unique?I'd imagine that AIs would be required to broadcast some form of digital signature - perhaps tied to the specific substrate they're running on?
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Is it just me, or is Momo sitting in May's lap in 4321?P. Sure it’s just you. She has her knees drawn up and she’s twisted away so she’s almost got her feet on the cushions while May is slouching forward with her hips nearly or completely off the front of the couch. If Momo were in her lap she’d be completely off the couch and obscuring Marigold much more.
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Just remember: there's a reason humans don't walk around with embedded chips broadcasting our identification to the world. The same reasons ought to apply to AIs in the QC world.
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Just remember: there's a reason humans don't walk around with embedded chips broadcasting our identification to the world. The same reasons ought to apply to AIs in the QC world.
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Continuing that thought; or is it that the only ones we really see and get to deal with, are the ones that are fascinated by humans, and want to emulate them - even only in part - and that other kinds of AI are simply not interested, and keep to their own, or, alternatively, are so alien that we don't even really recognise them?
Am I the only one rooting for-
Renee is a good friend really.I think the opposite, I think Renee is a terrible friend and likes the playing the little game she has at the moment.
Am I the only one rooting for-
Go no further. No. No, you're not the only one.
Basically, like Momo and Winslow did, you could just transfer from one chassis to another by cable,One of the interesting aspects is that the transfer is a transfer,/move not a copy. In pro level IT you would never do a move like that, but always copy so there was a fall back position in the event of a problem. That would of course provide all sorts of plot and ethical complications, because it would be cloning a personality, and then effectively killing the original personality once the clone is successfully transferred. One option would be to ~anaesthatise the personality in the transfer (AI unconsciousness must exist - Roko had a gap in consciousness between body destruction and "waking" in the server farm" ) but ultimately what can be transferred across the wire can be copied across the wire... We could speculate that the Yay organismn is some kind of cloned AI wih a special communications system...
I've been following this ID conversation with some interest, and I have a couple of observations.I must disagree with your premise: see 3008, and 3907; hardware clearly in evidence.
Firstly, transfer of an AI to a new chassis does not involve transferring a "CPU part" or any other hardware, if what we've seen encompasses the processes. It is a software transfer (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2000). So any kind of silicon chip serial number is not fit for purpose. It would need to be some kind of immutable software ID.
I've been following this ID conversation with some interest, and I have a couple of observations.I must disagree with your premise: see 3008, and 3907; hardware clearly in evidence.
Firstly, transfer of an AI to a new chassis does not involve transferring a "CPU part" or any other hardware, if what we've seen encompasses the processes. It is a software transfer (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2000). So any kind of silicon chip serial number is not fit for purpose. It would need to be some kind of immutable software ID.
I think it's time to check in with Clinton again, and maybe get a bit of progress with regard to whether he's interested in Brun or Elliot or both...
It would seem that in both of those cases, Momo and Winslow were trying out the chassis via cable prior to the move/transfer fully taking place. That is to say they were remotely operating the new chassis via the cable.I've been following this ID conversation with some interest, and I have a couple of observations.I must disagree with your premise: see 3008, and 3907; hardware clearly in evidence.
Firstly, transfer of an AI to a new chassis does not involve transferring a "CPU part" or any other hardware, if what we've seen encompasses the processes. It is a software transfer (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2000). So any kind of silicon chip serial number is not fit for purpose. It would need to be some kind of immutable software ID.
Roko "running on the same substrate she's always been" seems to be an anomaly, inconsistent with other comics in which we've seen actual transfers take place. Actually, the fact that Lemon felt it necessary to explain this also suggests that this isn't always the case. And so (this is more fan theory than I normally get into) I would guess that transferring the physical drive/memory can be done if the new chassis model is physically compatible with the drive's form factor (e.g. transferring to another of the same model); but in most cases, the transfer is carried out via cable. For example, in Momo's case, it seems likely that the new drive enclosure would be incompatible, being a dramatically different size.
Threes are sneaky. They hide themselves as E's, W's, and M's. I don't trust them in any of my posts. :wink:
Brun was a straight shooter with Renee, and told her she was secretly attracted to Elliot.
It would seem that in both of those cases, Momo and Winslow were trying out the chassis via cable prior to the move/transfer fully taking place. That is to say they were remotely operating the new chassis via the cable.
It would seem that in both of those cases, Momo and Winslow were trying out the chassis via cable prior to the move/transfer fully taking place. That is to say they were remotely operating the new chassis via the cable.
Brun was a straight shooter with Renee, and told her she was secretly attracted to Elliot.
I don't remember this. When did she do that?
It would seem that in both of those cases, Momo and Winslow were trying out the chassis via cable prior to the move/transfer fully taking place. That is to say they were remotely operating the new chassis via the cable.
Doesn't seem like it. In this strip (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3542), you see Winslow connected to a computer via cable, and it has 'transfer complete' in the background of the 2nd panel. Admittedly, you don't see where he's transferring from.
Winslow did upload himself into Hannelore's 'training boyfriend' (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1012) in the earlier comics.
Brun was a straight shooter with Renee, and told her she was secretly attracted to Elliot.
I don't remember this. When did she do that?
I think the storyline referenced starts with 3436 (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3436). When Brun makes Renee realise she (Renee) may be attracted to Elliot.
Elliot stumbles through asking Clinton out but he's not very clear about it and so Clinton doesn’t realise he's being asked out on a date (rather than for a friendly hang out). Followed byClose, but no cigar. :wink: :wink:
I wonder what the plan was for everything that went over the goal.
Elliot stumbles through asking Clinton out but he's not very clear about it and so Clinton doesn’t realise he's being asked out on a date (rather than for a friendly hang out). Followed byClose, but no cigar. :wink: :wink:
Eliot and Clinton hang, but the Eliot gets all tangue-tongled and waits for a second "date" to finally make a move on Clinton. We haven't seen Clinton attracted to anyone but Brun, so I'm going to guess that Clinton rejects Eliot, which send Eliot into a spiral that Renee has to kick him out of by seducing him. This enables Eliot to finally ask Brun out, just as Renee decides she can work with Eliot and bang him at the same time. This does not end well for the new apartment as Eliot tries to date Brun and Renee (which causes Renee to make a major scene), and Brun lands in Clinton's apartment. Clinton wants to take advantage and agonizes over it before finally asking just as Brun lands a new job which it would be easier for her to handle if she lived near it instead of with Clinton. This forces Brun into new territory as she considers the new job vs. a possible relationship, and rattles Clinton even more. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Or so I'm thinking. :-o 8-) :-D :-D
Of course, Emily and Millie will ricochet through this whole mess at the same time.
I'm open to betting on what happens next:Elliot's too polite to reject that strong disapproval of not keeping his commitment (love(click to show/hide)
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Sorry, I should have specified the training boyfriend one was what I was referring to.It would seem that in both of those cases, Momo and Winslow were trying out the chassis via cable prior to the move/transfer fully taking place. That is to say they were remotely operating the new chassis via the cable.
Doesn't seem like it. In this strip (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3542), you see Winslow connected to a computer via cable, and it has 'transfer complete' in the background of the 2nd panel. Admittedly, you don't see where he's transferring from.
Winslow did upload himself into Hannelore's 'training boyfriend' (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1012) in the earlier comics.
There is a potentially important distinction someone else brought up on the previous page; Momo and Winslow were old-school pre-singularity A.I. Roko seems to be post singularity. So the style of substrate my be different between pre-Singularity AnthroPCs and post Singularity A.I. Bubbles described the lattice structure of the substrate some time ago, but my break's over so I can't go hunting for the strip rn.
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Maybe AI Drive swapping is preferrable over cable transfer, but not always possible? When Roko was given her new body, the only thing we know is she was loaded into her new body (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3915), but that doesn't say whether by download (cable) or drive placement. Maybe her drive was connected to the server farm, just to be able to boot her up in virtual.
Those AI drives kinda seem more and more like the DHFs from Altered Carbon to me now.
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I'm open to betting on what happens next:Elliot's too polite to reject that strong disapproval of not keeping his commitment (love(click to show/hide)atthe first sight), so 1 and 5 are probably not. It's still morning, so why would Brun be even awake?---probably not 4. That would leave 2 or 6. Clinton doesn't seem very interested, but there may be something there, so 2 could be a tentative "will think about it" later going to yes, or a "not really interested" no.
Placing bets until UTC Sunday noon, I'll put the odds at 2:7 that Elliot manages to not ask Clinton out at all, 3:5 that Clinton gives a firm no in a few in-story days, 1:1 that Clinton gives a firm yes in a few in-story days (the first number is your bet, the second is my bet; you choose the stakes, but the odds stay the same). If Elliot escapes the situation, all bets are off. Payout when we know the results.
@Gyrre That would be this comic (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3376), I assume?
Ask if Clinton will give you a hand first.
I'm sure May will make a sensible choice. With a bomb rack.
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Do we place bets in Internet points?
I will put 6.347 Internet Cookies on Clinton at first saying no, he's not interested, but then Renee convinces/bullies him into giving it a chance even if it's just as friends/to discuss their mutual attraction to Brun and by the end of that whoops Clinton is interested.
1 Internet cookie is 10 internet points, unless it's chocolate chip, in which case it's 10 but in binary.
Just to throw one more variable into the mix, maybe the mentions of 'substrate' in the comic are actually references to software substrate.
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Just to throw one more variable into the mix, maybe the mentions of 'substrate' in the comic are actually references to software substrate.
Then again, Bubbles threatened to tear out (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3406) Corpse Witch's substrate.
I'm still wondering if the AnthroPCs and other pre-Singularity A.I.s used the same sponge lattice substrate as the post-Singularity A.I.s we've met or if they use something more akin to our own world's technologies.Just to throw one more variable into the mix, maybe the mentions of 'substrate' in the comic are actually references to software substrate.
Then again, Bubbles threatened to tear out (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3406) Corpse Witch's substrate.
Just to throw one more variable into the mix, maybe the mentions of 'substrate' in the comic are actually references to software substrate.
Then again, Bubbles threatened to tear out (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3406) Corpse Witch's substrate.
I'm still wondering if the AnthroPCs and other pre-Singularity A.I.s used the same sponge lattice substrate as the post-Singularity A.I.s we've met or if they use something more akin to our own world's technologies.Just to throw one more variable into the mix, maybe the mentions of 'substrate' in the comic are actually references to software substrate.
Then again, Bubbles threatened to tear out (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3406) Corpse Witch's substrate.
Which wouldn't matter if CW had a backup, and if that were possible she'd treat it as a survival priority. The implication is that AI personalities can't be backed up, despite the early comic that showed Pintsize running on a desktop.
Or, we could all be missing the most likely reason, which is that Jeph forgot about a minor detail put in the comic fifteen years ago.
Why would such a code be in the chassis when the substrate of their mind units has got to be unique?I'd imagine that AIs would be required to broadcast some form of digital signature - perhaps tied to the specific substrate they're running on?
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Hmmm. My reply seems to have gone missing. And we're using substrate in different ways which may add to the confusion. So a substrateless restatement:
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For identification purposes, why would an AI include a serial from their chassis?
AI substrates, otoh, are, according to JJ, the result of an 'emergent process' that is intrinsicly linked to both the AI running on the specific substrate, as as its the cumulative history (its 'past' if you will - the sum of all its thoughts & actions). The term I use by myself is 'analog/human-grade distinguishability' - meaning that the substrate shapes the AI at the same time that the AI shapes its substrate and the result is as unique as the duality making up your body and 'soul' (for lack of a better term).I'd say the distinguishability of cybrids is more like how you can recognize your flesh-bound friend's manner of speaking when he's online; not conclusive, but you can put some tests by trying by giving one idea to the digital persona and see how your flesh-bound friend (doesn't) change.
This gets into some of the arguments against the whole Mission Impossible rubber mask scenario. For one, an individual will have several idiosyncrasies. Idiosyncrasies that anyone familiar with them will pick up on, and even the most oblivious meatsacks should clue in on if something is 'off' about the behavior of someone they know. Whether it be word choices, speech patterns, or usual habits.Why would such a code be in the chassis when the substrate of their mind units has got to be unique?I'd imagine that AIs would be required to broadcast some form of digital signature - perhaps tied to the specific substrate they're running on?
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Hmmm. My reply seems to have gone missing. And we're using substrate in different ways which may add to the confusion. So a substrateless restatement:
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Sorry for the late reply.QuoteFor identification purposes, why would an AI include a serial from their chassis?
Good question - why would it? FWIW, I do not assume that this concept would make much sense, and the second sentence in my post that you quoted ("If AIs could evade identification with something akin to MAC spoofing, QCverse law enforcement would have some serious trouble, I suppose?") was actually me proposing a counter-argument against the feasibility of the 'serial in chassis' concept (IIRC, that latter sentence was in reply to a post by IICIH upthread from mine).
So it appears the only thing we disagree on ... is more or less that there's disagreement at all? :psyduck:(click to show/hide)