Can we add a poll option for "next week is just comics about May"
Or the Malaysian Battle Spatula.
I don't understand. We're 4335 comics in and Elliot has yet to pull a single sword out of his ass.My guess is that the sword dates from Dora's days with the coven.(?) And the Malaysian battle spatula may have been Faye's creation.
Then again, we don't know the origins of the CoD broadsword, do we? :-\
I voted "Sven is not a mooch" for the first time ever.
How that poses a complication for Clinton and Elliot is left as an exercise for the reader.
Can we add a poll option for "next week is just comics about May"That was always a possibility, but this poll was meant specifically in regards to events in Clinton and Elliot's lives as opposed to cast focus. Had I known today's comic was shifting back to May (I didn't I swear), it wouldn't have been the first option.
May daydreaming is so cute. :D
It seems like May has given up on a flight capable chassis.
No jet fighter?Since getting out of robot jail, May has become very attached to some of her friends (though she would deny that, even to herself.) Being an aircraft would make it harder to see them.
(Also, shouldn't the thread title say 24th to 28th?)
Faye helped Samantha craft The Mighty War Ladle.I don't understand. We're 4335 comics in and Elliot has yet to pull a single sword out of his ass.My guess is that the sword dates from Dora's days with the coven.(?) And the Malaysian battle spatula may have been Faye's creation.
Then again, we don't know the origins of the CoD broadsword, do we? :-\
I'm sensing a Bembo / May crossover here.Membo week! I'm all for it.
Oh, Roko. Maybe say the second sentence in your head.But the advice podcast told her that if she said it out loud, she'd feel less guilty about it.
I'm beginning to think that it's impossible to say anything considered embarrassing by society out loud without feeling some degree of shame, no matter how many advice podcasts you listen to and how confident you ask.I do that all the time without experiencing shame. The most that happens is sometimes someone looks at me funny, or pauses whatever he's doing, which takes me aback each time, because there was nothing wrong with what I did. Although, pretending confidence doesn't help me feel not embarrassed. The only way I've found against that is to go through it, getting to the source of the issue---why I feel embarrassed---and work through it logically why it's not (unless it is) something to be embarrassed about. (Not sure if that works when the cause is neurological, or a chemical imbalance, though.)
How many comics have we had now of someone telling Elliot this?
I’m pretty sure it’s a reference to: https://www.savagelovecast.com/ (NSFW obviously)
Y'know, I think that podcast is an IRL thing? It may haver even inspired Jeph to write this arc!
I find I don't really want to visualize Rocko's bread fetish too literally. I want to imagine it's just a smell thing (like Bubbles and her tea) and that nothing physical happens.
Why that's far more disturbing than May, Sven, and her hip joint I can't say.
Since she asks for the crustiest, I imagine it must be an auditive thing as well.
What's the deal with Renee volunteering information about Elliot's love life to the first person who walks in? Yes, Roko and Elliot are friends and Elliot already knows about her bread fetish, so it wouldn't be unusual for him to confide in her, but he should get to decide to do so. This comic looks like it's from a social world where no one has any boundaries whatsoever.
What's the deal with Renee volunteering information about Elliot's love life to the first person who walks in? Yes, Roko and Elliot are friends and Elliot already knows about her bread fetish, so it wouldn't be unusual for him to confide in her, but he should get to decide to do so. This comic looks like it's from a social world where no one has any boundaries whatsoever.
What's the deal with Renee volunteering information about Elliot's love life to the first person who walks in? Yes, Roko and Elliot are friends and Elliot already knows about her bread fetish, so it wouldn't be unusual for him to confide in her, but he should get to decide to do so. This comic looks like it's from a social world where no one has any boundaries whatsoever.
That's been a theme of the strip for a very long time.
Oh, Roko. After all that social stress, admitting what the bread is for, then going to just leave it at home to cool down while you go back out visiting folk? Surely you could spend 10 minutes while it fresh?
All forms of sexual labor, including stripping, are ethically risky under capitalism, or any regime where the possibility exists that someone might be driven to such labor solely because it's the only way they can survive. What's important isn't whether money changes hands, but whether the person is genuinely free and consenting. "This is the only way I can stave off starvation and/or homelessness" does not count as consent for this purpose. In principle, the gender of the strippers doesn't matter, though in practice, the majority of sex workers are women, so it's a feminist issue.All labour is exploitative under capitalism. Sex work is not unique in this regard.
The end text - epitaph? - is "reminder that May is awful."
This doesn't seem so awful on a May scale to me. It's also something that Pintsize would say and take no flak. Primarily, I think, because of May's attitude while delivering the line, which is profoundly ungrateful for the effort that people are making to help her. Whereas if Pintsize said it, it'd be playful, not serious, and just his tendency to sexualize everything.
Even so, if I were to research a list of decidedly unpleasant things May has said, this wouldn't even be on my radar.
A lot has been said about May not deserving to be stuck in a substandard chassis after paying her debt to society, but I still find it hard to believe enough people contributed to this fundraiser if they actually met her. Maybe Roko wrote a really heart wrenching story.
A lot has been said about May not deserving to be stuck in a substandard chassis after paying her debt to society, but I still find it hard to believe enough people contributed to this fundraiser if they actually met her. Maybe Roko wrote a really heart wrenching story.
Ah, May. I too would want strippers.We never did hear definitively what the excess funds were going to be used for.
:D
All forms of sexual labor, including stripping, are ethically risky under capitalism, or any regime where the possibility exists that someone might be driven to such labor solely because it's the only way they can survive. What's important isn't whether money changes hands, but whether the person is genuinely free and consenting. "This is the only way I can stave off starvation and/or homelessness" does not count as consent for this purpose. In principle, the gender of the strippers doesn't matter, though in practice, the majority of sex workers are women, so it's a feminist issue.
That doesn't mean that all labour is equally exploitative.
All forms of sexual labor, including stripping, are ethically risky under capitalism, [...]Why, the only ethics of capitalism is that greed is good. If you're not greedy, you cannot gain the special status of being capitalist, and without greed, you cannot improve or even just keep the status of capitalist. There is no other actual ethical imperative in this system.
The few strip clubs I've been dragged to are literally the most depressing places I've ever been to. [...]Why, thats exactly what I would expect ... and thankfully nobody has ever tried to drag me to such a place.
British law also allows you to volunteer to sacrifice certain employment rights [...]You cannot "sacrifice rights".
Many people do not object to the risks of sex work, they object to the 'sex' of sex work. A perfectly pleasant transaction [...]And I'm sure some slave owners have been super nice to their slaves, too. That changes nothing.
That doesn't mean that all labour is equally exploitative.
Nor does it mean that stripping or sex work are inherently more exploitative.
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... it is illegality which provides the majority of the unique risks in sex work.
That doesn't mean that all labour is equally exploitative.
Nor does it mean that stripping or sex work are inherently more exploitative.
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... it is illegality which provides the majority of the unique risks in sex work.
I mean... I'm sure you're right.
Does that mean those risks don't count or something?
Why, thats exactly what I would expect ... and thankfully nobody has ever tried to drag me to such a place.
To be honest, I'm not even sure my country (Germany) has such places.
You cannot "sacrifice rights".
Or do you know a way to "sacrifice" a human right?
And thanks to a certain Mrs Tatcher, british law isnt exactly exemplary in regards to worker rights.
And I'm sure some slave owners have been super nice to their slaves, too. That changes nothing.
All labour is exploitative under capitalism. Sex work is not unique in this regard.
All forms of sexual labor, including stripping, are ethically risky under capitalism, or any regime where the possibility exists that someone might be driven to such labor solely because it's the only way they can survive. What's important isn't whether money changes hands, but whether the person is genuinely free and consenting. "This is the only way I can stave off starvation and/or homelessness" does not count as consent for this purpose. In principle, the gender of the strippers doesn't matter, though in practice, the majority of sex workers are women, so it's a feminist issue.
The few strip clubs I've been dragged to are literally the most depressing places I've ever been to. This statement includes 11 family funerals including those of four grandparents.
I'd wager the 'I'm doing this so I don't starve' combined with the creepy leering old dudes and the broke-ass losers "tryin' ta get with" the strippers are the reason for that deressing atmosphere.
All forms of sexual labor, including stripping, are ethically risky under capitalism, [...]Why, the only ethics of capitalism is that greed is good. If you're not greedy, you cannot gain the special status of being capitalist, and without greed, you cannot improve or even just keep the status of capitalist. There is no other actual ethical imperative in this system.
For example just check out what capitalism did to christmas. Many people hate christmas because its so materialistic nowadays.The few strip clubs I've been dragged to are literally the most depressing places I've ever been to. [...]Why, thats exactly what I would expect ... and thankfully nobody has ever tried to drag me to such a place.
To be honest, I'm not even sure my country (Germany) has such places.British law also allows you to volunteer to sacrifice certain employment rights [...]You cannot "sacrifice rights".
Or do you know a way to "sacrifice" a human right ?
And thanks to a certain Mrs Tatcher, british law isnt exactly exemplary in regards to worker rights.Many people do not object to the risks of sex work, they object to the 'sex' of sex work. A perfectly pleasant transaction [...]And I'm sure some slave owners have been super nice to their slaves, too. That changes nothing.
A lot has been said about May not deserving to be stuck in a substandard chassis after paying her debt to society, but I still find it hard to believe enough people contributed to this fundraiser if they actually met her. Maybe Roko wrote a really heart wrenching story.
My theory is that most QC characters are big softies.
New comic's up, and, um, yeah. There it is, a new comic.
With strippers, or as one?
:-D :roll: :psyduck:
Ok we get it, you don't want help, you don't want money, you don't deserve anything, you feel like a fraud yeah, yeah hard shell protecting someone who cares but May is rapidly (if not already) turning into an insufferable, ungrateful little b**ch
I don't know if the author was aiming for it deliberately or just got there inadvertently but hes really nailed the attitude of the majority of prisoners with his portrayal of May
There's no need to call her a b*tch.
QuoteThere's no need to call her a b*tch.
She stops acting b***hy I'll stop calling her a b**ch
I mean she seriously won't be happy unless there are strippers involved? This is exactly what I'm talking about with convicts, they're never happy with what they're given, they always (and I mean always) want more
Wants a new body, gets the money for a new body (even a top of the line body) but still not happy until strippers are involved
An ex-con will now have a superior (possibly) body than most robots that haven't broken the law but hey its alright because really shes a good person deep down
You're using a gendered insult when there doesn't need to be one.
All forms of sexual labor, including stripping, are ethically risky under capitalism, or any regime where the possibility exists that someone might be driven to such labor solely because it's the only way they can survive. What's important isn't whether money changes hands, but whether the person is genuinely free and consenting. "This is the only way I can stave off starvation and/or homelessness" does not count as consent for this purpose. In principle, the gender of the strippers doesn't matter, though in practice, the majority of sex workers are women, so it's a feminist issue.
The few strip clubs I've been dragged to are literally the most depressing places I've ever been to. This statement includes 11 family funerals including those of four grandparents.
I'd wager the 'I'm doing this so I don't starve' combined with the creepy leering old dudes and the broke-ass losers "tryin' ta get with" the strippers are the reason for that deressing atmosphere.
As someone who used to work in a club many years ago, I can tell you that most of the women worked there because they chose to. There were a couple that I knew that worked because of a bad situation, but even they changed after a while of working.
The inherent truth of a club is that it is a con game. Even the strippers who don't initially run the game eventually reach a point of doing so because it is economically viable in an extreme sense. The men, gullible mooks that they are, are paying for a fantasy. The women are milking that fantasy as closely as they can without violating the law, raking over a bundle of cash. I've worked at places with house fees and without, but it is typical for a woman who knows how to run the con well to bring home 1k-2k a night in cold hard cash. A lot of them cheat on their taxes as well. Three to four nights a week, or more. One woman I worked with told me she had made well over a 100k the previous year (1993).
Those are the numbers if they are just running the game. If they take it farther and set up dates with clients or allow clients to do things in the rooms, they can easily make more. If they are travelling headliners, it's even more money. That is why a lot of porn stars do strip clubs in their down time, they make more money travelling the clubs than they do per movie, even the 'stars'.
Is there a dark side? Yes, there are always a small number of women who had mental or substance issues. The thing is, they don't last long because they can't run the con well. Or they try to and get caught by the law.
I have been out of the game for a very long time, but if you had walked into a club back in the 90's and tried to reason with one of the strippers, they would have laughed you out of the place. To them it's a way to control men and get paid. I was even conned by them initially. I had been working at Arby's when I was 18 and a pair of women came in around 2 AM (LSS, it was an Arby's in a 24 hour truck stop). They persuaded the night supervisor to give them free food if they flashed their tits. I managed to get one of their numbers and she led me down the path of working in the club she was in. Then when she found someone with a better cash flow, I was history. Strippers are mercenary to the core.
QuoteYou're using a gendered insult when there doesn't need to be one.
Its ok because deep down I'm a good person so everyone will forgive me
Possibly consider another line of work.
QuotePossibly consider another line of work.
Quite arrogant of you to decide what line of work I should be in don't you think? I could ask you what experience you have in Corrections that makes you such an expert to be able to decide something like that (but really I don't care about your opinion) I will say though that maybe you should walk a mile in my shoes before you pass judgement on me
Join up with Corrections in your country, walk the floor, deal with the prisoners, take the abuse, worry if the threats will be carried out, work the holidays, work the nights, wonder if this will be the day someone blindsides you, break up the fights, do the at risk on rape victims, console the bereaved, explain verbally what they can't read, listen to the complaints, wonder what diseases the urine, shit, semen, blood or phlegm on your clothes contain, look up someones asshole to see if they're hiding anything up there and the paperwork, don't forget the paperwork
Why are you here on a discussion forum if you don't care about anyone's opinion but your own?????
Guys, can we please take it down a notch? Things are getting very heated here
Huh, what do you know. Strippers showed up after all.
New comic's up, and, um, yeah. There it is, a new comic.
By all means, feel free to share your opinions, but for everyone's sake, please do so in a civil and respectful way.
I was not expecting any of this from Beepatrice. She's normally so..."reasonable" feels like the wrong word. I guess "clean?" That's not quite what I'm going for, but you get my point.
So, overall, yeah, I'm with panel 3 Roko on this one.
QuoteYou're using a gendered insult when there doesn't need to be one.
Its ok because deep down I'm a good person so everyone will forgive me
The Internet judges what you display on the screen, though. Take note of the criticism.[/gmod]
She feels, with possibly sufficient justification, that life has taken a dump all over her and continues to do so no matter what happens to her.
QuoteShe feels, with possibly sufficient justification, that life has taken a dump all over her and continues to do so no matter what happens to her.
Apart from meeting up with and taken in by Dale, being friends with Momo, having a job, getting free (or heavily discounted) body work from Bubbles and Faye and getting a a whole heap of money from strangers
I don't feel that there is a margin of generosity where she ceases to be deserving.
QuoteI don't feel that there is a margin of generosity where she ceases to be deserving.
Just saying that her life isn't as bad as she thinks it is but then maybe thats part of the narrative shes built up for herself
Her body is quite literally disintegrating.
I find it odd that Chris, with his experience, isn't more aware of the way that negative psychological pressures can make people cynical, disruptive and outright obnoxious, even when they have every possible rational cause to want to be otherwise and modifies his expectations accordingly.
That said... Yeah, May is a brat who enjoys being the rowdy teenage class clown a bit too much. That's definitely one of the major negatives of who she is.
QuoteI don't feel that there is a margin of generosity where she ceases to be deserving.
Just saying that her life isn't as bad as she thinks it is but then maybe thats part of the narrative shes built up for herself
Perhaps Beeps knows them from her job. Also, I seem to vaguely remember the male stripper showing up previously in the comic, but I don’t remember when it was.
As someone who used to work in a club many years ago, I can tell you that most of the women worked there because they chose to. There were a couple that I knew that worked because of a bad situation, but even they changed after a while of working.Thanks for this perspective. It seems to address some concerns while raising others. It does seem to confirm my feeling that getting anywhere near this business, in any capacity, isn't a great idea.
The inherent truth of a club is that it is a con game. Even the strippers who don't initially run the game eventually reach a point of doing so because it is economically viable in an extreme sense. The men, gullible mooks that they are, are paying for a fantasy. The women are milking that fantasy as closely as they can without violating the law, raking over a bundle of cash. I've worked at places with house fees and without, but it is typical for a woman who knows how to run the con well to bring home 1k-2k a night in cold hard cash. A lot of them cheat on their taxes as well. Three to four nights a week, or more. One woman I worked with told me she had made well over a 100k the previous year (1993).
Those are the numbers if they are just running the game. If they take it farther and set up dates with clients or allow clients to do things in the rooms, they can easily make more. If they are travelling headliners, it's even more money. That is why a lot of porn stars do strip clubs in their down time, they make more money travelling the clubs than they do per movie, even the 'stars'.
Is there a dark side? Yes, there are always a small number of women who had mental or substance issues. The thing is, they don't last long because they can't run the con well. Or they try to and get caught by the law.
I have been out of the game for a very long time, but if you had walked into a club back in the 90's and tried to reason with one of the strippers, they would have laughed you out of the place. To them it's a way to control men and get paid. I was even conned by them initially. I had been working at Arby's when I was 18 and a pair of women came in around 2 AM (LSS, it was an Arby's in a 24 hour truck stop). They persuaded the night supervisor to give them free food if they flashed their tits. I managed to get one of their numbers and she led me down the path of working in the club she was in. Then when she found someone with a better cash flow, I was history. Strippers are mercenary to the core.
All forms of sexual labor, including stripping, are ethically risky under capitalism, or any regime where the possibility exists that someone might be driven to such labor solely because it's the only way they can survive. What's important isn't whether money changes hands, but whether the person is genuinely free and consenting. "This is the only way I can stave off starvation and/or homelessness" does not count as consent for this purpose. In principle, the gender of the strippers doesn't matter, though in practice, the majority of sex workers are women, so it's a feminist issue.
The few strip clubs I've been dragged to are literally the most depressing places I've ever been to. This statement includes 11 family funerals including those of four grandparents.
I'd wager the 'I'm doing this so I don't starve' combined with the creepy leering old dudes and the broke-ass losers "tryin' ta get with" the strippers are the reason for that deressing atmosphere.
As someone who used to work in a club many years ago, I can tell you that most of the women worked there because they chose to. There were a couple that I knew that worked because of a bad situation, but even they changed after a while of working.
The inherent truth of a club is that it is a con game. Even the strippers who don't initially run the game eventually reach a point of doing so because it is economically viable in an extreme sense. The men, gullible mooks that they are, are paying for a fantasy. The women are milking that fantasy as closely as they can without violating the law, raking over a bundle of cash. I've worked at places with house fees and without, but it is typical for a woman who knows how to run the con well to bring home 1k-2k a night in cold hard cash. A lot of them cheat on their taxes as well. Three to four nights a week, or more. One woman I worked with told me she had made well over a 100k the previous year (1993).
Those are the numbers if they are just running the game. If they take it farther and set up dates with clients or allow clients to do things in the rooms, they can easily make more. If they are travelling headliners, it's even more money. That is why a lot of porn stars do strip clubs in their down time, they make more money travelling the clubs than they do per movie, even the 'stars'.
Is there a dark side? Yes, there are always a small number of women who had mental or substance issues. The thing is, they don't last long because they can't run the con well. Or they try to and get caught by the law.
I have been out of the game for a very long time, but if you had walked into a club back in the 90's and tried to reason with one of the strippers, they would have laughed you out of the place. To them it's a way to control men and get paid. I was even conned by them initially. I had been working at Arby's when I was 18 and a pair of women came in around 2 AM (LSS, it was an Arby's in a 24 hour truck stop). They persuaded the night supervisor to give them free food if they flashed their tits. I managed to get one of their numbers and she led me down the path of working in the club she was in. Then when she found someone with a better cash flow, I was history. Strippers are mercenary to the core.
That amount is strictly contingent on one of the key cornerstones of good business; location location location.
I'd imagine strippers in a dive(?) strip clubon the 'bad side of the tracks' in OKC are taking home less than a stripper from a high-endclub in OKC. And both probably aren't taking home as much as strippers from either coast. Literally or comparatively (accounting for cost of living and such).
Chris, I am a little concerned about how much spite you seem to have directed to a fictional AI.
QC is very much a character-driven strip. While not every character is fleshed out (hello, Melon!), many of them are fairly complex. Many (most?) people on this forum spend a lot of time talking about them and their actions as if they were real people. Disliking a particular character is just the flip side of the affection that forum regulars display toward characters like Bubbles.
Chris, I am a little concerned about how much spite you seem to have directed to a fictional AI.
Chris, would you care to reflect on why it is you think that so many prisoners end up this way?
Generally speaking most criminals can be categorized as selfish with no empathy and manipulative with no long term planning
I was not expecting any of this from Beepatrice. She's normally so..."reasonable" feels like the wrong word. I guess "clean?" That's not quite what I'm going for, but you get my point.Beeps does have a "clean" (for lack of a better word) image a lot of the time but in that first interview with Roko, Beeps was very curious after Roko let slip about her bread fetish. I've had the impression that Beeps has internalised some shame/embarrassment around their other job rather than being an innately prudish person. I think that framing it as "the strippers are for helping May feel better about this" possibly allows Beeps to bypass that internalised shame/embarrassment.
Generally speaking most criminals can be categorized as selfish with no empathy and manipulative with no long term planning
When you have time to write a longer post, I'm gonna need a source for that claim. Because to me it's not as self-evident as I assume it is for you. What's more, I strongly disagree with this assertion.
EDIT: I'd also like a clarification of what you mean by "criminal". By default I assume it refers to a person that committed a crime serious enough to warrant punishment as per the law, and did it at least once. But maybe you mean a person who commits crimes repeatedly or habitually. If you refer to anyone who's ever committed a crime, we're entering uneasy territory, because I think one'd be hard-pressed to find all that many people who've *never* broken the law in a way that's punishable at least in theory. So I'm wondering what the threshold is for a person to qualify as a criminal.
Chris, would you care to reflect on why it is you think that so many prisoners end up this way?
While you are at it, another question to reflect on would be whether the characteristics you're listing are a cause of criminality or a result of spending time in the prison system, or whether they are all correlated but caused by an entirely separate factor e.g. upbringing or genetics (or some combination of these things).
Chris, would you care to reflect on why it is you think that so many prisoners end up this way?
I work with a bunch of ex-cons.
Most ended up in prison thanks to being dealt a bad hand and making bad decisions. The ones that are a royal pain in the ass are the ones who're hard-headed and seem like they always have to be breaking at least one rule (chewing gum, phone out on the floor, no helmet, no earplugs, etc). The rest of them are just trying to make do and reintegrate.
Some of them very much do end up much like May; bitter, cynical, and somewhat combative. There are those that are distrustful of any kindness, and those that are still very stuck on themselves. Many of them are very guarded as they've only been out for anywhere from a month to a few years. And I'd imagine that sort of thing takes awhile to get used to. Especially since some of them seem to see me as yet another guard (I'm a line inspector). I try not to let it bother me, but we do work with food, so I can't let the hairnets, beardnets, or gloves slide.
EDIT: (more to add)
Sometimes it's very frustrating. Especially when the floor supervisors won't back us (QA) up. But pretty much all I can do is keep to procedure, show mercy when necessary, and hope that nobody screws up bad enough to get the plant shut down.
I've been there almost long enough to have the requisite experience for other QA jobs, so I've dusted off my resumé as well. Here's hoping nothing falls through.
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I work with a bunch of ex-cons.
Most ended up in prison thanks to being dealt a bad hand and making bad decisions. The ones that are a royal pain in the ass are the ones who're hard-headed and seem like they always have to be breaking at least one rule (chewing gum, phone out on the floor, no helmet, no earplugs, etc). The rest of them are just trying to make do and reintegrate.
Some of them very much do end up much like May; bitter, cynical, and somewhat combative. There are those that are distrustful of any kindness, and those that are still very stuck on themselves. Many of them are very guarded as they've only been out for anywhere from a month to a few years. And I'd imagine that sort of thing takes awhile to get used to. Especially since some of them seem to see me as yet another guard (I'm a line inspector). I try not to let it bother me, but we do work with food, so I can't let the hairnets, beardnets, or gloves slide.
EDIT: (more to add)
Sometimes it's very frustrating. Especially when the floor supervisors won't back us (QA) up. But pretty much all I can do is keep to procedure, show mercy when necessary, and hope that nobody screws up bad enough to get the plant shut down.
I've been there almost long enough to have the requisite experience for other QA jobs, so I've dusted off my resumé as well. Here's hoping nothing falls through.
I get that, if I had to sum up my frustrations in one sentence it would be something like this: no matter what we do the prisoner won't change until the prisoner wants to change
I've been there almost long enough to have the requisite experience for other QA jobs, so I've dusted off my resumé as well. Here's hoping nothing falls through.If you haven't already, consider a certification from the asq. asq.org.
18 months working the floor in units from minimum to maximum including ISU including stints in both mens and womens prisons is where I get my assertions from.
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And if I could be so bold as to suggest something? Get. The ####. OUT. Of corrections. Unless you are close to retirement or have a significant investiture in a pension system, GET OUT. That job field damages mind, body, and spirit. I should know.
Empathy ... depends on who and where. I asked my prison pen pal what the biggest surprise of her sentence was. She said it was the kindness of the other women there. (Minimum security camp, so carefully screened prisoners. I don't claim this is a general rule.)
She said the women incarcerated with her were just like any you would meet at the bank or the post office.
What are some examples of May showing empathy? Everything I can remember offhand has her being pretty self-centered.
One could also argue, successfully I think, that May did that bit of matchmaking to assure herself a cheaper (Dale insisted she pay a share of the rent) place to live without having to be with utter strangers or subject herself to the rental market as a former felon; which would make that action less about empathy and more about self-centered-ness. Karma being what it is, she engineered a situation where she has to be careful about entering her own domicile because of the possible activities that might be going on... That, in and of itself, is amusing because May herself is deeply interested in the very same activities and doesn't know how to respond when she's not in the mix.......
What are some examples of May showing empathy? Everything I can remember offhand has her being pretty self-centered.
Honestly, Dale and Marigold probably wouldn't be together now if not for May.
One could also argue, successfully I think, that May did that bit of matchmaking to assure herself a cheaper (Dale insisted she pay a share of the rent) place to live without having to be with utter strangers or subject herself to the rental market as a former felon; which would make that action less about empathy and more about self-centered-ness. Karma being what it is, she engineered a situation where she has to be careful about entering her own domicile because of the possible activities that might be going on... That, in and of itself, is amusing because May herself is deeply interested in the very same activities and doesn't know how to respond when she's not in the mix.......
What are some examples of May showing empathy? Everything I can remember offhand has her being pretty self-centered.
Honestly, Dale and Marigold probably wouldn't be together now if not for May.
By the way, has there been any official word on Beeps's pronouns? In the early comics featuring Beeps, Jeph's author comment used "they" to refer to Beeps and Roko also used "they" when talking about Beeps with Bubbles later (links below). But I'm pretty sure I've also seen an author comment and/or a character in comic use "she/her" when referring to Beeps at a later date.
Chris, I am a little concerned about how much spite you seem to have directed to a fictional AI.
I'm not. I'd say it's actually kind of normal.
QC is very much a character-driven strip. While not every character is fleshed out (hello, Melon!), many of them are fairly complex. Many (most?) people on this forum spend a lot of time talking about them and their actions as if they were real people. Disliking a particular character is just the flip side of the affection that forum regulars display toward characters like Bubbles.
Or to put it another way, if you're upset that someone intensely dislikes a character you kind of like, how is that any different? If you feel a character is "just a fictional AI," shouldn't you be largely indifferent?
Fictional characters, in QC or in books, push our buttons because they remind us of people we've met in real life. We are, in a way, talking about the real people whose reflections we see those fictional characters.
QuoteChris, I am a little concerned about how much spite you seem to have directed to a fictional AI.
May very much reminds me of a lot of the prisoners I deal with day to day. The entitled ones, the ones who blame all their problems on everything but themselves, that actively resist all efforts to help, its extremely...tiring to deal with them, to try help them
As an example literacy and numeracy is a big problem in our prisons and we have many programs so you'd think it'd be a simple deal to get the guys on the courses to help themselves but no its like pulling teeth.
First there are the guys who say they want to do the courses but only say that so they can be transferred to the "softer" units and then say they won't go. Then there are the guys that're only attending the courses because they need it for their parole and then actively play up on the course thereby making it harder for the few who do actually want to learn (and then kick up a fuss and make complaints when they're removed from the course) there are also the ones who insist on one to one tutoring because its the only way they learn and of course don't forget the ones who go just so they can transfer contraband to other units via the other prisoners
May has gotten a rough deal with her body breaking down for sure however her actions are what got her there in the first place (if I remember correctly) but since then shes been taken in by Dale, made friends with Momo, has Roko on her case (in a good way) and now had a substantial amount of money given to her for a new body and every step of the way shes made it a struggle for everyone and, IRL, thats just really tiring and frustrating
Personal anecdote time, a case prisoner of mine was a couple of weeks away from being released so his case manager and probation officer were trying to find a bed for this guy (he had no one and his family wanted nothing to do with him) so it probably was going to be with the Salvation Army however they also needed to find a bed for this guy so do you think this guy was appreciative of how many people (minimum of four different departments by this time) were trying to sort something out for him, of course not because he wanted to know right there and then and, in his words, "if you (meaning me) don't sort it out I'll just commit another crime and come back to prison"
You know what. Fair enough.
After you made this post the thread keeled off in a direction that was quite confrontational towards you and your viewpoints - and I have to say that we share almost none on this topic.
However I think it would be ridiculous of me as someone who has never even been in a prison to visit someone, never mind had a sentence or worked in one, to chide you for your own emotions and associations related to your job. I can talk better conditions for prisoners until I'm blue in the face, but I'm not about to sit here and tell someone who actually has to do it every day how to do their damn job.