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Title: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: Gyrre on 18 Oct 2020, 18:09
[maniacal laughter]

Ok, but I actually understand not wanting BBQ sauce, tiny fish, or pickles on your pizza. Pineapple requires a bit of tanginess and spiciness to be added for most folks (habaneros) who snoot about it not belonging on pizza. BBQ sauce instead of marinara or tomato paste is just doing it wrong.

I know, I know. The reason pizza was invented technically means there's no wrong way to do it. Ox tail pizza and fish pizza are a thing. I'd be willing to wadger there's a pumpkin soup pizza somewhere, too. But, barbecue sauce makes far less sense than pineapples. Just saying.


EDIT
Right then. Tuesday I'll be swapping for a number between 1 and 10.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: shanejayell on 18 Oct 2020, 18:18
Strip up!

I don't normally get banned, but yeah that's typical of forum arguments.

(I had olives on a pizza recently. Was good. I like Ham & pineapple too.)
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: Penquin47 on 18 Oct 2020, 18:31
It's a good argument!  I think for me it would come down to how the AI are playing - if they're playing with controllers and completely separate Internet connection, then yes, they should be allowed to join, but if they're playing using direct interface, that's an advantage that would materially change the game for them and give them an advantage.  A taller basketball player is still having to use the same skills and play by the same rules. 
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: Gnabberwocky on 18 Oct 2020, 19:01
Hold separate tournaments. One is open to anyone using an external connection (humans and embodied AIs), and one is open to direct interface (AIs only). Computers that have spent several years with different learning processes will perform differently from each other, but will still be more effective than humans. That way you're not keeping anyone from playing, but you're not stacking the odds against the humans.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: truestatic on 18 Oct 2020, 19:21
I'm on Greg's side on this one. Putting AI that don't make input errors in esports alongside humans is not comparable to disallowing tall people from playing basketball, it's comparable to allowing someone who makes every shot from anywhere on the court without fail, and effortlessly. In such a league, humans need not apply. If you allowed mixed play, humans would need their own human-only leagues to participate in competitive play at all. So... as Gnabberwocky said, make separate leagues. Just make a human only league and an all-comers league (which will, in practice, be an AI-only league.) My support for embodied AI play in the human league would depend upon how much stronger fine motor control is in embodied AIs, but I suspect... a lot better. So they'd need to be disallowed there too, probably.

BETTER COMPARISON: Flipping it around, letting humans join an esports league AI also play in is like writing into the rules that newborn babies are allowed to join the NBA. Except less balanced.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: chris73 on 18 Oct 2020, 19:28
Greg is right on this one. Although I'm wondering if this is supposed to represent others things that're happening in sports at the moment.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: hedgie on 18 Oct 2020, 20:10
Ok, but I actually understand not wanting BBQ sauce, tiny fish, or pickles on your pizza. Pineapple requires a bit of tanginess and spiciness to be added for most folks (habaneros) who snoot about it not belonging on pizza. BBQ sauce instead of marinara or tomato paste is just doing it wrong.
I have a bizarre habit of ordering strange things on a pizza, but yet still friends trust me to make group orders, 'cos somehow I find ways to make it work.  Like pine nuts and such.

That said, I would kill for a nice Tandoori Chicken pizza.  There aren't any around here.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: N.N. Marf on 18 Oct 2020, 20:53
Mods: ``Go to bed. Both of you.''
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: de_la_Nae on 18 Oct 2020, 22:26
what possibly makes any of us think, based on the comic, that AI don't make input errors? citation needed

also pizza is the stew of open-face sandwiches
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: awkwardness on 18 Oct 2020, 22:34
what possibly makes any of us think, based on the comic, that AI don't make input errors? citation needed

also pizza is the stew of open-face sandwiches

Is it a sandwich or is it a flat pie? And if it qualifies as a sandwich, doesn't a hotdog count the same way? or a wrap? or a pocket?

OK now I'm hungry- darnit!
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: Gyrre on 18 Oct 2020, 22:59
what possibly makes any of us think, based on the comic, that AI don't make input errors? citation needed

also pizza is the stew of open-face sandwiches

Is it a sandwich or is it a flat pie? And if it qualifies as a sandwich, doesn't a hotdog count the same way? or a wrap? or a pocket?

OK now I'm hungry- darnit!

Sandwich.

It's always been on a flatbread base. Even before Sicilians started adding the tomato paste. BTW We've even found an ancient Roman recipe for pizza crust.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: badbum61 on 18 Oct 2020, 23:14
fish pizza

I had tuna pizza in Mexico 25 years ago, and, at the time, it was the best damn pizza I'd ever had (n.b. I don't live in NYC or Chicago...or Napoli)
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: BenRG on 18 Oct 2020, 23:18
To me, today's strip is essentially the counterpart of the strip that was a text conversation between Clinton and Elliot. It's teaching Elliot that Clinton has issues that he should be aware off right at the start rather than get blindsided by later on (in this case, aggressive debating style mixed with a bad temper)!
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: snubnose on 19 Oct 2020, 00:02
Obviously vegetables make the best pizza toppings. YUM !

I've never been banned from any online forum. Then again when the internet really started, I was already like 30 or some such. Its probably different if you're 13 when you start with the internet.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: cybersmurf on 19 Oct 2020, 00:14
To me, today's strip is essentially the counterpart of the strip that was a text conversation between Clinton and Elliot. It's teaching Elliot that Clinton has issues that he should be aware off right at the start rather than get blindsided by later on (in this case, aggressive debating style mixed with a bad temper)!

Online Arguments do tend derail faster than real life ones...
Also, having a (potential) partner may shift priorities in a way of being less aggressive.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: sitnspin on 19 Oct 2020, 02:39
If one is limited to three toppings, the obvious choices are mushrooms, black olives, and arugula.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: ihaveavoice on 19 Oct 2020, 03:18
I've never been banned from any online forum. Then again when the internet really started, I was already like 30 or some such. Its probably different if you're 13 when you start with the internet.

I've been young on the internet and never got banned anywhere, but then my preferred way to interact with forum arguments was always as a spectator. You wouldn't believe the mundane, seemingly harmless topics that would cause a thread to spin out into 20-page behemoths of internet rage in the blink of on eye. A forum I frequented as a high schooler had one that exploded over a literal sandwich. That thread is the stuff of legend.

It's been quite some time since I've seen any of this stuff go down, of course. OT, obviously I'm posting on one now, but I feel like the real heyday of forums in general was over years ago, where they were basically THE place to congregate to talk about whatever the thing was. There are so many other places people can share their opinions now, even/especially on niche topics. Again, certain webcomic forums notwithstanding.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: Gyrre on 19 Oct 2020, 05:17
Obviously vegetables make the best pizza toppings. YUM !

I've never been banned from any online forum. Then again when the internet really started, I was already like 30 or some such. Its probably different if you're 13 when you start with the internet.

I actually looked up "worst pizza toppings" for this poll and somehow spinach and broccoli were on a list of the 12 worst. Mushrooms I get because I didn't like the mouth feel of them as a kid (fine now if slightly singed), but spinach and broccoli  were always good. BTW, 'mushrooms' and 'eggs' replaced 'ketchup' and 'mustard' after looking things up. 3 entries for cheeseburger pizza (pickles for the 3rd) seemed a bit much. Incidentally, cheeseburger pizza without pickles taste fine.

EDIT: Typo fix
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: sitnspin on 19 Oct 2020, 05:43
I've had broccoli, squash, and zucchini pizza and it is glorious.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: Blackjoker on 19 Oct 2020, 06:04
Back when I haunted the wizards of the coast forums a 100 years ago mentioning Katanas was a bannable offense because of how vitriolic and stupid the arguments tended to get. Similarly you ended up with really vicious argumetns about psionics rules. Some were genuinely interesting and there ended up being some great discussions/screaming matches about rules and the like. People get passionate about things or just want to troll.

On the subject of their argument I sort of see both sides of it. Gregs argument was that a machine can be optimized in ways that a human body can't, they can have better abilities to calculate and can have bodies that are specifically built for the sport with systems that would give them a clear edge. It's somewhat similar to the steroid argument often used in professional sports.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: HeavyP on 19 Oct 2020, 06:36
Back when I haunted the wizards of the coast forums a 100 years ago mentioning Katanas was a bannable offense because of how vitriolic and stupid the arguments tended to get. Similarly you ended up with really vicious argumetns about psionics rules. Some were genuinely interesting and there ended up being some great discussions/screaming matches about rules and the like. People get passionate about things or just want to troll.

You have me really curious now - what in the world is there to argue about in regards to katanas?  Is it that they're somehow a superior weapon?  That seems like an especially ridiculous argument in D&D - it's been a long time since I looked at stats, but I think as far as D&D is concerned a katana is functionally a longsword that takes a separate proficiency?  Even if you want to claim it's somehow better, fine, make them all Masterwork by default - everyone is on the same page by level 5 or 6 when actual enchanted weapons start popping up anyway.

Edit: Oh God.  I Googled for five minutes and I already see the madness you're discussing.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: Blackjoker on 19 Oct 2020, 06:48
Back when I haunted the wizards of the coast forums a 100 years ago mentioning Katanas was a bannable offense because of how vitriolic and stupid the arguments tended to get. Similarly you ended up with really vicious argumetns about psionics rules. Some were genuinely interesting and there ended up being some great discussions/screaming matches about rules and the like. People get passionate about things or just want to troll.

You have me really curious now - what in the world is there to argue about in regards to katanas?  Is it that they're somehow a superior weapon?  That seems like an especially ridiculous argument in D&D - it's been a long time since I looked at stats, but I think as far as D&D is concerned a katana is functionally a longsword that takes a separate proficiency?  Even if you want to claim it's somehow better, fine, make them all Masterwork by default - everyone is on the same page by level 5 or 6 when actual enchanted weapons start popping up anyway.

Ok, well there were several subjheadings to this. See in 2nd edition the katana was genuinely OP, it  was something like 2d12 damage which for those that aren't complete geeks is exceptionally high for a melee weapon. Then they just made them masterwork bastard swords in 3.0-3.5. This had objections from four camps.

1) Katanas are way better than that, they can cut cannon barrels and should be proper high damage
2) Katanas are curved blades not straight and most curved weapons have a higher crit range but maybe adjust damage, plus if you have to take an exotic weapons feat for it it should maybe be better
3) Katanas are trash and so are you ya damn weeb, they should be doing barely any damage and quit bringing your anime trash to my game
4) Katanas should have their own category if we're going to do the same thing for other similar weapons that exist or make tons of exotics, might as well make it more in line.

1 and 3 had the loudest and most pronounced arguments and all of this was pre-mythbusters. Some people might have been looking at it as legacy rules, some were going off of mall ninja lore, some were reacting negatively to what they viewed as foreign ideas in their gamespace, some were reacting to stuff from the past and some on both sides were trolling. I ended up in it by accidents because of a discussion about exotic weapons in general and what a crapshoot they were. I ended up making them their own thing and the stats I used ended up being the stats for them in Pathfinder a few years later so I guess I was ahead of the curve.

Also weapon stats could mean a lot because of how certain builds worked, a weapon that has poor damage but stupid high crit range due to typos is nuts for any kind of crit fisher build. But I'm already probably boring others that aren't into this so I'll stop here
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: HeavyP on 19 Oct 2020, 06:59
Back when I haunted the wizards of the coast forums a 100 years ago mentioning Katanas was a bannable offense because of how vitriolic and stupid the arguments tended to get. Similarly you ended up with really vicious argumetns about psionics rules. Some were genuinely interesting and there ended up being some great discussions/screaming matches about rules and the like. People get passionate about things or just want to troll.

You have me really curious now - what in the world is there to argue about in regards to katanas?  Is it that they're somehow a superior weapon?  That seems like an especially ridiculous argument in D&D - it's been a long time since I looked at stats, but I think as far as D&D is concerned a katana is functionally a longsword that takes a separate proficiency?  Even if you want to claim it's somehow better, fine, make them all Masterwork by default - everyone is on the same page by level 5 or 6 when actual enchanted weapons start popping up anyway.

Ok, well there were several subjheadings to this. See in 2nd edition the katana was genuinely OP, it  was something like 2d12 damage which for those that aren't complete geeks is exceptionally high for a melee weapon. Then they just made them masterwork bastard swords in 3.0-3.5. This had objections from four camps.

1) Katanas are way better than that, they can cut cannon barrels and should be proper high damage
2) Katanas are curved blades not straight and most curved weapons have a higher crit range but maybe adjust damage, plus if you have to take an exotic weapons feat for it it should maybe be better
3) Katanas are trash and so are you ya damn weeb, they should be doing barely any damage and quit bringing your anime trash to my game
4) Katanas should have their own category if we're going to do the same thing for other similar weapons that exist or make tons of exotics, might as well make it more in line.

1 and 3 had the loudest and most pronounced arguments and all of this was pre-mythbusters. Some people might have been looking at it as legacy rules, some were going off of mall ninja lore, some were reacting negatively to what they viewed as foreign ideas in their gamespace, some were reacting to stuff from the past and some on both sides were trolling. I ended up in it by accidents because of a discussion about exotic weapons in general and what a crapshoot they were. I ended up making them their own thing and the stats I used ended up being the stats for them in Pathfinder a few years later so I guess I was ahead of the curve.

Also weapon stats could mean a lot because of how certain builds worked, a weapon that has poor damage but stupid high crit range due to typos is nuts for any kind of crit fisher build. But I'm already probably boring others that aren't into this so I'll stop here

Oh wow, the only 2E games I've played are the IE games and those all just made them 1d10.  A medium longsword is 1d8, 2d12 is just fucking *broken* - it's just a sword, Jesus Christ.  I think I'm in camp 2, all of that makes sense - if I've got to spend a feat to use the thing without a penalty, it *should* be better than a bog-standard longsword.  But get outta here with that Weeabo "legendary Nippon steel that can slice through anything!" bullshit - it's a meter-long piece of sharpened steel, not a damned lightsaber.  FWIW, it's been years since I played P&P, but I have a decent collection of 3.5 books that I've enjoyed reading and that's what I'm most familiar with, I don't really know anything about 4e or 5e.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: Zebediah on 19 Oct 2020, 07:29
On being banned from forums: only time it ever happened to me was on a political discussion forum about 20 years ago, where one guy on the mod team went on a power trip and started banning numerous people for imagined offenses. Mine was for “massive intent to spam” - not actually spamming the forum, but intent to do so. His evidence for this was an obvious joke in a post that someone else had made. Well, this forum had an appeals process, which I used, and the ban was quickly overturned by majority vote of the moderation team. The one mod then immediately re-banned me on the grounds that my appeal constituted “being disruptive”. I was even more quickly reinstated by another moderator, and the other guy was stripped of his mod powers.

Which is why I’m grateful that none of the mods here go off on power trips like that. Some people let even the smallest amount of power go to their heads.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: de_la_Nae on 19 Oct 2020, 07:41
It bears mentioning, by the way, that there's a very long and detailed history about how "fairness" rules in sports have been and *currently are* used by ruling power groups to invalidate or sabotage their competition, which muddles things a helluva lot.

it also doesn't help that as cultures we publicly lie to ourselves a lot about why we make decisions
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: Theta9 on 19 Oct 2020, 07:42
BBQ sauce instead of marinara or tomato paste is just doing it wrong.
Strongly disagree.
My wife has a toxic reaction to commercial tomato sauces (we made our own once and she took it just fine) so we typically get our pizza from Papa Murphy's with the Creamy Garlic Sauce. But when we get a "Hawai'ian" we get it with BQ sauce, and PM's has also occasionally had a "Barbecue Chicken" pie that we've found quite good.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: Theta9 on 19 Oct 2020, 07:44
I'm with Clinton on baseball, but I extend that view to all the other sports too.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: sitnspin on 19 Oct 2020, 07:51
I'm with Clinton on baseball, but I extend that view to all the other sports too.

I include e-sports in this as well.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: hakko504 on 19 Oct 2020, 09:31
I've been banned twice, once for promoting torrents, and regarding the other I was a bit miffed, because I was participating in a thread that had been going for a month or two when I posted, and all of a sudden the mods decided that it was against the rules and banned all participants. I must say, I do not like permanent instabans. I was moderating some subforums at the doom9.org forum for a while back in 2002-2003(?) and we had a 3 strike system, where a single strike would issue a warning, with links to the specific rules you broke, a second warning would give you a short suspension, and the third strike was the one that gave a permanent ban. And you'd get strikes removed if you behaved after receiving them. Worked rather well.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: Farideh on 19 Oct 2020, 15:00
Yum, pineapple!
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: Farideh on 19 Oct 2020, 18:10
Comic's up.

Back away from the beer Clinton. You'll end up making a fool of yourself if you're not careful.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: shanejayell on 19 Oct 2020, 18:26
Clinton, don't drink Elliot levels of beer. You'd die.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: Mr Intrepid on 19 Oct 2020, 18:46
There was a restaurant that did a really good smoked salmon, goat cheese and dill pizza. 
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: Farideh on 19 Oct 2020, 18:51
Ooooh, that sounds delicious.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: N.N. Marf on 19 Oct 2020, 18:52
Clinton: ``OK I won't drink that much, but I'll still drink more than I should.''
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: Tova on 19 Oct 2020, 19:07
Pizza. I've finally come to the conclusion that there are no bad pizza ingredients, only bad combinations.

Story: If Jeph goes the route of Clinton gets drunk -> Clinton and Elliot declare their affection for each other -> next morning, they both wake up wondering if it was genuine or the booze, then I'm just giving up on QC, because Jeph is just repeating himself in different combinations over and over.

it also doesn't help that as cultures we publicly lie to ourselves a lot about why we make decisions

We like to think that we have special insight into the reasons we make decisions.

We don't really, but we are really really good at post-hoc rationalization.

So, even when we lie about why we make decisions, what we imagine to be the "truth" we're withholding from the public may well be wrong as well.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: Rincewind on 19 Oct 2020, 19:10
Is that taller person with the funky hair sporting a Hercules T-Shirt?
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: Gnabberwocky on 19 Oct 2020, 19:21
Story: If Jeph goes the route of Clinton gets drunk -> Clinton and Elliot declare their affection for each other -> next morning, they both wake up wondering if it was genuine or the booze, then I'm just giving up on QC, because Jeph is just repeating himself in different combinations over and over.
I see where you're coming from, but I can't think of an instance where it was ever really in question.

With the Marten/Claire scenario, Claire was sober the night before and Marten barely hesitated the next morning before going over to her house.

With the Dora/Tai scenario, there was never any doubt for Tai, and like Tai said, just because she wasn't drunk doesn't mean she didn't mean it.

Basically, I disagree, and I think Jeph is too creative to use an exhausted storyline anyways.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: N.N. Marf on 19 Oct 2020, 19:43
I think it'd be more interesting if Clinton got drunk and started causing a minor scene, or subtle problems for Elliot's bouncer role that Elliot notices and worries about the bar noticing, even thought it's just something subtle that probably only few others would notice or even care about, but Elliot thinks he's in the awkward position of having to handle the situation but in a gentler way than usual because he doesn't want to mess up his chances with Clinton. Or whether he even needs to do anything about it.. Maybe interesting if he slightly overreacts, causing slight difficulties for their relationship, that he imagines are really big problems.
And there's definitely the potential to weave in something with Brun, irregarding whether it's directly related. Recently hasn't been much simultaneous storylines advancement, so I doubt this would happen.. I'd offer some odds for betting, but I'd rather wait for the old bet to resolve first. How many in-story days has it been so far? 2--3? Time really flies when I'm busy with---wait a minute!
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: Gyrre on 19 Oct 2020, 20:27
Back when I haunted the wizards of the coast forums a 100 years ago mentioning Katanas was a bannable offense because of how vitriolic and stupid the arguments tended to get. Similarly you ended up with really vicious argumetns about psionics rules. Some were genuinely interesting and there ended up being some great discussions/screaming matches about rules and the like. People get passionate about things or just want to troll.

You have me really curious now - what in the world is there to argue about in regards to katanas?  Is it that they're somehow a superior weapon?  That seems like an especially ridiculous argument in D&D - it's been a long time since I looked at stats, but I think as far as D&D is concerned a katana is functionally a longsword that takes a separate proficiency?  Even if you want to claim it's somehow better, fine, make them all Masterwork by default - everyone is on the same page by level 5 or 6 when actual enchanted weapons start popping up anyway.

Ok, well there were several subjheadings to this. See in 2nd edition the katana was genuinely OP, it  was something like 2d12 damage which for those that aren't complete geeks is exceptionally high for a melee weapon. Then they just made them masterwork bastard swords in 3.0-3.5. This had objections from four camps.

1) Katanas are way better than that, they can cut cannon barrels and should be proper high damage
2) Katanas are curved blades not straight and most curved weapons have a higher crit range but maybe adjust damage, plus if you have to take an exotic weapons feat for it it should maybe be better
3) Katanas are trash and so are you ya damn weeb, they should be doing barely any damage and quit bringing your anime trash to my game
4) Katanas should have their own category if we're going to do the same thing for other similar weapons that exist or make tons of exotics, might as well make it more in line.

1 and 3 had the loudest and most pronounced arguments and all of this was pre-mythbusters. Some people might have been looking at it as legacy rules, some were going off of mall ninja lore, some were reacting negatively to what they viewed as foreign ideas in their gamespace, some were reacting to stuff from the past and some on both sides were trolling. I ended up in it by accidents because of a discussion about exotic weapons in general and what a crapshoot they were. I ended up making them their own thing and the stats I used ended up being the stats for them in Pathfinder a few years later so I guess I was ahead of the curve.

Also weapon stats could mean a lot because of how certain builds worked, a weapon that has poor damage but stupid high crit range due to typos is nuts for any kind of crit fisher build. But I'm already probably boring others that aren't into this so I'll stop here

Oh wow, the only 2E games I've played are the IE games and those all just made them 1d10.  A medium longsword is 1d8, 2d12 is just fucking *broken* - it's just a sword, Jesus Christ.  I think I'm in camp 2, all of that makes sense - if I've got to spend a feat to use the thing without a penalty, it *should* be better than a bog-standard longsword.  But get outta here with that Weeabo "legendary Nippon steel that can slice through anything!" bullshit - it's a meter-long piece of sharpened steel, not a damned lightsaber.  FWIW, it's been years since I played P&P, but I have a decent collection of 3.5 books that I've enjoyed reading and that's what I'm most familiar with, I don't really know anything about 4e or 5e.

Not to mention the quality of the steel used during that time period. It may be 8 folded, but it's still dredged up from a sandbar and it's still going to shatter or bend if it hits something like stone. Hence why monks swallowed stones before their execution during the Sengoku Jidai.

EDIT: for specificity
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: hedgie on 19 Oct 2020, 20:57
It was certainly 1d10 in 1st ed.  But it also had a lower speed factor than a longsword, so hit harder *and* was faster.  In 3.x and pathfinder, yeah, it requires a feat, but with that threat range, a keen weapon, and improved critical, it was grossly OP.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: DaiJB on 19 Oct 2020, 21:44
Clinton is a bit on the lightweight side - so that little girl on the left must be tiny. Maybe Elliot should check her ID a little more closely? 
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: BenRG on 19 Oct 2020, 23:25
I'm beginning to think my worst fears about this arc are being realised. Jeph, having failed to come up with a way to make a believable chemistry between Clinton and Elliot, has just arbitrarily declared that they're crushing on each-other (ignoring that their older interactions involved Clinton being afraid that he might get in a fight with Elliot over Brun) and just writing a load of light-weight cute comedy strips and expecting us to take the 'chemistry' thing as read.

Back away from the beer Clinton. You'll end up making a fool of yourself if you're not careful.

Yeah, actually, I think that this is the author's objective.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: Gyrre on 19 Oct 2020, 23:31
BBQ sauce instead of marinara or tomato paste is just doing it wrong.
Strongly disagree.
My wife has a toxic reaction to commercial tomato sauces (we made our own once and she took it just fine) so we typically get our pizza from Papa Murphy's with the Creamy Garlic Sauce. But when we get a "Hawai'ian" we get it with BQ sauce, and PM's has also occasionally had a "Barbecue Chicken" pie that we've found quite good.

My own bias is just that I've a general distaste for virtually all BBQ sauce. The only one I've ever had that didn't make me wretch was homemade and formulated for a diabetic with low kidney function. IDK if it's a food sensitivity or just the sheer amount of salt in commercial brands.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: hedgie on 19 Oct 2020, 23:31
There was a restaurant that did a really good smoked salmon, goat cheese and dill pizza.

That does sound really good, but I'd really have to make sure that it was light on the dill.  I don't know whether I have some strange sensitivity to the taste or not, but for me, a little really goes a long way, and I hate having to send things back.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: Cornelius on 20 Oct 2020, 00:11
What are the odds on Elliott having to escort a heavily drunk Clinton out before his shift is over?
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: Masshole #21 on 20 Oct 2020, 00:41
Clinton is a bit on the lightweight side - so that little girl on the left must be tiny. Maybe Elliot should check her ID a little more closely?
Massachusetts IDs that were issued when the person was not 21 years old have a portrait layout. Massachusetts IDs that were issued when the person was at least 21 years old have a landscape layout. If a person's Massachusetts ID is landscape, that person is at least 21 years old. This also protects the privacy of the person whose ID it is: kudos to that bar for not requiring scanning IDs upon entry. IDs have more data on them than is necessary to verify whether the person is at least 21 years old.

Massachusetts IDs have special elements that interact with light in a special way. That helps establish the validity of the document. That's probably what the flashlight is for. For this purpose, plain light is sufficient. An ID checker might tilt the ID to try to catch ambient light or use a flashlight.

See also: https://massclearinghouse.ehs.state.ma.us/PROG-BSAS-YTH/SA1087.html
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: BenRG on 20 Oct 2020, 00:46
Here's an out-there idea about where this could all go that won't happen.

Yay turns up and tries to help by bullying Clinton and giving Elliot the chance to be the knight in shining armour for him. Brun intervenes, 'saves' Clinton (threatening a weirded-out Yay with her harpoon). Clinton is drunk enough that Brun is convinced that he's concussed and she leaves early with him because she thinks that she should make sure that he is unharmed by monitoring him as he sleeps in her bed. (Minds out of the gutter, people; she's planning on napping in her bed-side chair with her watch on hour charm so she can check on him.)

YAY: "Well... That was unexpected."

ELLIOT: "Yeah. Thanks for your 'help'."

Next morning, Brun explains herself to a hungover Clinton who, in an unguarded moment, calls it 'the sweetest thing anyone's ever done for me'. The two find that they can laugh about the whole mess and then, to their mutual surprise, kiss in response to an impulse.

Meanwhile, an understandably-aggrieved Elliott rebounds into an ill-considered one-night stand, possibly with Renee (complicating the Dan thing) or Roko. Thus begins a 1,000+ strip arc to resolve the Elliot-Brun-Clinton love-triangle.

Meanwhile, a thoroughly-confused Yay runs into a sweet and shy but nerdly little non-binary student in the bar who was invited out by their extrovert roomie and is utterly out of their depth in a social situation. Yay strikes up a conversation with them on the nature of AI consciousness and several other nodes turn up to assist. The resulting group unobtrusively leave together as the night gets too rowdy for their tastes...
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: de_la_Nae on 20 Oct 2020, 00:51
one day you'll have to actually just take the fanfiction plunge you know that right
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: ihaveavoice on 20 Oct 2020, 01:02
I'm beginning to think my worst fears about this arc are being realised. Jeph, having failed to come up with a way to make a believable chemistry between Clinton and Elliot, has just arbitrarily declared that they're crushing on each-other (ignoring that their older interactions involved Clinton being afraid that he might get in a fight with Elliot over Brun) and just writing a load of light-weight cute comedy strips and expecting us to take the 'chemistry' thing as read.

We've already seen Clinton get all hot and bothered imagining touching Elliot's arms and stuff, and we know that Clinton decided to do this because it turns out he is physically attracted to Elliot, and he wants to hang out with him and see how he feels (and he is being very good and brave about it [/Claire]). I certainly got the nervous energy and romantic chemistry Jeph was going for from the confession comics, and I'm clearly not the only one here who's perfectly happy to see where he's planning on taking this. Which is something that nobody knows, especially not from a bit of friendly interaction at the start of the evening.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: Gnabberwocky on 20 Oct 2020, 08:23
one day you'll have to actually just take the fanfiction plunge you know that right
Please do, and send me the link so I can read it.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: cybersmurf on 20 Oct 2020, 10:26
That whole situation has a "Elliot still believes to get said no" feeling to me...

Linguistic question: is there an English expression for getting turned down romantically? In German you can use "jemandem den/einen Korb geben", literally meaning "to give someone the/a basket", and I wonder what's out there in similar expressions.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: sitnspin on 20 Oct 2020, 10:37
"Shot down" is one that gets used frequently.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: oddtail on 20 Oct 2020, 11:35
That whole situation has a "Elliot still believes to get said no" feeling to me...

Linguistic question: is there an English expression for getting turned down romantically? In German you can use "jemandem den/einen Korb geben", literally meaning "to give someone the/a basket", and I wonder what's out there in similar expressions.

That's fun - in Polish, we use the same expression ("dać [komuś] kosza"). The basket can also be "received" ("dostać kosza").
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: Thrillho on 20 Oct 2020, 13:11
what possibly makes any of us think, based on the comic, that AI don't make input errors? citation needed

also pizza is the stew of open-face sandwiches

Is it a sandwich or is it a flat pie? And if it qualifies as a sandwich, doesn't a hotdog count the same way? or a wrap? or a pocket?

OK now I'm hungry- darnit!

As a Brit, and a mod, when I saw the 'is a hot dog a sandwich' query came up, I was already at peak alert, because over the US there is this weird idea about a burger being a sandwich.

I've never been banned from any online forum. Then again when the internet really started, I was already like 30 or some such. Its probably different if you're 13 when you start with the internet.

I've been young on the internet and never got banned anywhere, but then my preferred way to interact with forum arguments was always as a spectator. You wouldn't believe the mundane, seemingly harmless topics that would cause a thread to spin out into 20-page behemoths of internet rage in the blink of on eye. A forum I frequented as a high schooler had one that exploded over a literal sandwich. That thread is the stuff of legend.

It's been quite some time since I've seen any of this stuff go down, of course. OT, obviously I'm posting on one now, but I feel like the real heyday of forums in general was over years ago, where they were basically THE place to congregate to talk about whatever the thing was. There are so many other places people can share their opinions now, even/especially on niche topics. Again, certain webcomic forums notwithstanding.

'hoo boy this is making me nostalgic.

I'm only 31 now, but my dad was a programmer so I was pretty computer savvy even though we got the internet later than most, and I trolled a LOT of forums. Actually lost my virginity to a moderator of the Busted forum.

I swear to fuck, I am not making that up.

I've been banned from plenty of TFC and Counter Strike servers, but not for trolling, for losing my temper. Meh.

Which is why Im grateful that none of the mods here go off on power trips like that. Some people let even the smallest amount of power go to their heads.

*cocks gun* Hop into the Spruce Moose!

I think it'd be more interesting if Clinton got drunk and started causing a minor scene, or subtle problems for Elliot's bouncer role that Elliot notices and worries about the bar noticing, even thought it's just something subtle that probably only few others would notice or even care about, but Elliot thinks he's in the awkward position of having to handle the situation but in a gentler way than usual because he doesn't want to mess up his chances with Clinton. Or whether he even needs to do anything about it.. Maybe interesting if he slightly overreacts, causing slight difficulties for their relationship, that he imagines are really big problems.
And there's definitely the potential to weave in something with Brun, irregarding whether it's directly related. Recently hasn't been much simultaneous storylines advancement, so I doubt this would happen.. I'd offer some odds for betting, but I'd rather wait for the old bet to resolve first. How many in-story days has it been so far? 2--3? Time really flies when I'm busy with---wait a minute!

I actually think this would be really, really interesting too.

I'm beginning to think my worst fears about this arc are being realised. Jeph, having failed to come up with a way to make a believable chemistry between Clinton and Elliot, has just arbitrarily declared that they're crushing on each-other (ignoring that their older interactions involved Clinton being afraid that he might get in a fight with Elliot over Brun) and just writing a load of light-weight cute comedy strips and expecting us to take the 'chemistry' thing as read.

We've already seen Clinton get all hot and bothered imagining touching Elliot's arms and stuff, and we know that Clinton decided to do this because it turns out he is physically attracted to Elliot, and he wants to hang out with him and see how he feels (and he is being very good and brave about it [/Claire]). I certainly got the nervous energy and romantic chemistry Jeph was going for from the confession comics, and I'm clearly not the only one here who's perfectly happy to see where he's planning on taking this. Which is something that nobody knows, especially not from a bit of friendly interaction at the start of the evening.

Yeah to be honest until I was a lot more up front about my attractions to guys, although still to this day it applies, I would often really struggle to realise a difference between an attraction and an admiration and a desire for friendship and a raging hot crush that I didn't know I had.

That whole situation has a "Elliot still believes to get said no" feeling to me...

Linguistic question: is there an English expression for getting turned down romantically? In German you can use "jemandem den/einen Korb geben", literally meaning "to give someone the/a basket", and I wonder what's out there in similar expressions.

Honey consider that phrase stolen
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: pwhodges on 20 Oct 2020, 15:19
Which is why Im grateful that none of the mods here go off on power trips like that. Some people let even the smallest amount of power go to their heads.

Well, that's embarrassing!  I mean, I pretty much forced my way into power on this forum, and part of the process did include stripping other mods of their powers.  Of course, I like to think that I saved the forum and became a benign dictator - but can you really believe what people like that say? ;)
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 20 Oct 2020, 15:28
Patreon cameo alert! Or Jeph is testing the waters to see if a Hercules tee-shirt will fly.

You have not had pizza until it's been sliced with a katana.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: Farideh on 20 Oct 2020, 18:17
New comic.

Oooh, that poor squirrel.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: 厚目眠子 on 20 Oct 2020, 18:20
That whole situation has a "Elliot still believes to get said no" feeling to me...

Linguistic question: is there an English expression for getting turned down romantically? In German you can use "jemandem den/einen Korb geben", literally meaning "to give someone the/a basket", and I wonder what's out there in similar expressions.
Is it a "basket case"?
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: Gnabberwocky on 20 Oct 2020, 19:10
We're all focusing on how Elliot got the chipmunk out...

...how did it get in in the first place?!
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: Rincewind on 20 Oct 2020, 19:28
They're devious little buggers, and I think they have the same "semi-liquid" state that cats are famous for. Saw one squeeze through a knot-hole in a wooden fence that I couldn't even get my pinky-finger through.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: Theta9 on 20 Oct 2020, 19:57
They're devious little buggers, and I think they have the same "semi-liquid" state that cats are famous for. Saw one squeeze through a knot-hole in a wooden fence that I couldn't even get my pinky-finger through.
Chipmunks are like Edward Tooms?
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: de_la_Nae on 20 Oct 2020, 20:10
most rodents are. most small mammals really.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: Thrudd on 20 Oct 2020, 20:18
Pizza? Hawaiian! It's what was for supper. Yeah, just got home. Yay I still have a job. Work sucks though since technically I do back end support for the front line in the Pandemic.

Any-who on with e subject at hand, or plate. Pizza. When I was in college it was fresh yeast dough with quite literally whatever was still in the fridge that hadn't risen up in revolt yet and recognizable as food instead of someones thesis project.

As for the "Net, was in college when I got to play with that. Around then, I and my baby brother were running a basement computer shop [sorry for hijacking the workshop dad] and instead of hooking up to someone else's dial-up server we built out own. Public side was only one HDD but the blackboard had something like 6 drives of "questionable" code that was being shared by the local community.

As for rodents - as long as they can fit their skull through they can get the rest of themselves in. Very flexible, invasive, dirty and destructive with their constant gnawing.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: hedgie on 20 Oct 2020, 20:22
I do quite like rats, and feel guilty having to lay out traps for them. 
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: Reaver on 20 Oct 2020, 20:41
I don't get why a vet would laugh at you over being concerned about rabies if a rodent bites and breaks the skin of your hand tho...??Chipmunks  or no.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: Gyrre on 20 Oct 2020, 20:42

Obligatory tree rodent song.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: Farideh on 20 Oct 2020, 20:48
I don't get why a vet would laugh at you over being concerned about rabies if a rodent bites and breaks the skin of your hand tho...??Chipmunks  or no.


Ditto. Rabies is no laughing matter - just read Cujo.


EDIT: although apparently it's quite rare in squirrels: https://sciencing.com/signs-symptoms-rabies-squirrels-5578992.html
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 20 Oct 2020, 21:27
A squirrel got into my place once. I think through the attic and then past a pipe in the ceiling of a closet. I managed to chivvy it into the cat carrier and released it outside. My cat just watched. No help at all.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: Reaver on 20 Oct 2020, 21:39
I don't get why a vet would laugh at you over being concerned about rabies if a rodent bites and breaks the skin of your hand tho...??Chipmunks  or no.


Ditto. Rabies is no laughing matter - just read Cujo.


EDIT: although apparently it's quite rare in squirrels: https://sciencing.com/signs-symptoms-rabies-squirrels-5578992.html

I mean  was the joke "LOL Big man got bit by ITTY BITTY CHIPMUNK, whats wrooong not man enough to take it?" or was it "Lol but they don't have rabies"

Cause neither of those are true.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: Mr_Rose on 20 Oct 2020, 23:11
My cat just watched. No help at all.
Of course not. It was supervising your practice hunt to make sure you did it right
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: Gyrre on 20 Oct 2020, 23:34
A squirrel got into my place once. I think through the attic and then past a pipe in the ceiling of a closet. I managed to chivvy it into the cat carrier and released it outside. My cat just watched. No help at all.

Literally why rat terriers exist.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: Scarlet Manuka on 21 Oct 2020, 00:12
Obligatory tree rodent song.
No, this is the obligatory squirrel song.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: Tova on 21 Oct 2020, 00:14
I mean  was the joke "LOL Big man got bit by ITTY BITTY CHIPMUNK, whats wrooong not man enough to take it?" or was it "Lol but they don't have rabies"

Cause neither of those are true.

Maybe the joke was WHY ARE YOU CALLING THE VET, HUMAN
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: Starla!! on 21 Oct 2020, 00:45
My cat just watched. No help at all.

I had a cat like that once. Nothing fazed her. A squirrel could have sauntered right past her, and she would probably think, "Gee, my atavistic instincts tell me I should hunt that thing down and kill it, but...man, that just seems like so much work."  :roll:
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: MattStriker on 21 Oct 2020, 00:54
So, funny story about rodents...

Where I live we've got one of just a few decently-sized urban populations of wild european hamsters. Not escaped pets, the genuine endangered native critter. When they turned up pretty much overnight (the large vacant lot where they'd been hiding got built on so the hamsters did a Watership Down, packed up all their stuff and moved in here with us) it became a topic of interest to the university's biology department.

So of course they sent some students to do fieldwork. I volunteered to help them out a few times and thus witnessed the horrors of wild rodents first-hand.

The little bastards had to be caught, weighed, blood and stool samples taken and marked to recognize them later.

Catching them was easy. Peanut butter is apparently irresistible to them so they'd wander into cage traps within minutes of them being put down. And as long as the peanut butter lasted, they were fairly content to stay in there. But eventually the stuff ran out, and the hamsters got cranky. By the time the students came to remove them from the traps, they tended to be on roughly the same level of cranky as Michael Douglas' character in Falling Down.

And the students had to reach into the traps to grab them.

They had heavy protective gloves. Kevlar-lined.

They didn't help much. Hamsters have enough bite strength to draw blood even if they can't pierce the material...they just drive it through your skin and flesh to the bone as well. Then somebody had to hold the struggling hamster while somebody else tried to get samples. Fun fact: Hamsters don't look like they have much in the way of a neck but their heads have a pretty surprising range of motion...

Those biology students developed a lifelong hatred of all things rodent within the span of a few months.



Tangentially related: Before the hamsters moved in, we had rat problems. There aren't any rats anymore. Only hamsters.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: snubnose on 21 Oct 2020, 01:39
Probably should have given a bit more peanut butter first ... enough so that they get stuffed and lazy ?

Also something to grab them securely thats still at the end of a stick.


P.s.: And maybe add a weak barbiturate, even, too.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: Gyrre on 21 Oct 2020, 01:50
So, funny story about rodents...

Where I live we've got one of just a few decently-sized urban populations of wild european hamsters. Not escaped pets, the genuine endangered native critter. When they turned up pretty much overnight (the large vacant lot where they'd been hiding got built on so the hamsters did a Watership Down, packed up all their stuff and moved in here with us) it became a topic of interest to the university's biology department.

So of course they sent some students to do fieldwork. I volunteered to help them out a few times and thus witnessed the horrors of wild rodents first-hand.

The little bastards had to be caught, weighed, blood and stool samples taken and marked to recognize them later.

Catching them was easy. Peanut butter is apparently irresistible to them so they'd wander into cage traps within minutes of them being put down. And as long as the peanut butter lasted, they were fairly content to stay in there. But eventually the stuff ran out, and the hamsters got cranky. By the time the students came to remove them from the traps, they tended to be on roughly the same level of cranky as Michael Douglas' character in Falling Down.

And the students had to reach into the traps to grab them.

They had heavy protective gloves. Kevlar-lined.

They didn't help much. Hamsters have enough bite strength to draw blood even if they can't pierce the material...they just drive it through your skin and flesh to the bone as well. Then somebody had to hold the struggling hamster while somebody else tried to get samples. Fun fact: Hamsters don't look like they have much in the way of a neck but their heads have a pretty surprising range of motion...

Those biology students developed a lifelong hatred of all things rodent within the span of a few months.



Tangentially related: Before the hamsters moved in, we had rat problems. There aren't any rats anymore. Only hamsters.

.......Did none of those kids own pets? You have to assume the little bastards haven't eaten in awhile when you collect the traps and feed them before trying to handle them. The only time you don't do that is if you're collecting them for specimen samples (i.e. you're just going to snap their little necks via cervical dislocation anyways).

EDIT: typo fixes
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: snubnose on 21 Oct 2020, 02:15
My cat just watched. No help at all.

I had a cat like that once. Nothing fazed her. A squirrel could have sauntered right past her, and she would probably think, "Gee, my atavistic instincts tell me I should hunt that thing down and kill it, but...man, that just seems like so much work."  :roll:
Actually animals dont hunt unless they are hungry. Well .. typically not, anyway.

Also cats dont kill unless they learned it from their mother. Which means many house cats would die in the wild because they would hunt animals down all right but then not know what to actually do with them.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: JoeCovenant on 21 Oct 2020, 02:18
... There aren't any rats anymore. Only hamsters.

Smacks not only of poetry, but as the last line of some epic Eco-Saga !   :)

Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: hedgie on 21 Oct 2020, 02:19
I don't get why a vet would laugh at you over being concerned about rabies if a rodent bites and breaks the skin of your hand tho...??Chipmunks  or no.
Unfortunately, unless there are absolutely huge red flags otherwise, that's the standard reaction to someone getting bit, at least around here.  I know *one* person who would even be seen as serious about it, but she gets the vaccine since she rehabs bats.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: shanejayell on 21 Oct 2020, 15:02
Poor Elliot. Heh.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: Gnabberwocky on 21 Oct 2020, 18:31
Comic's up.

Now I have more questions about Yay. If one body is back at their "headquarters" petting Azathoth, can the body in Elliot's apartment share that enjoyment?
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: shanejayell on 21 Oct 2020, 18:39
"Yay is trying to be nice"

Elliot is more perceptive than I thought.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: Farideh on 21 Oct 2020, 19:32
It's probably a bad idea to give Yay a hamster or similar. Azathoth and Mr. Smooches would hunt and kill the poor little critter.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: Penquin47 on 21 Oct 2020, 19:40
When my dad was in college, he and one of his closest friends nearly came to blows over a cat.

They lived in an apartment complex that had two buildings.  There was space under the buildings that mice could get into and nest in.  They lived in different buildings.

My dad had a three-legged cat he called Rover.  Rover had been a stray who got into a fight with a dog (hence the missing leg).  Dad's building had the same conditions the other building did, but there were no mice.

Then Dad went home for an extended break, and asked his buddy in the other building to cat-sit Rover.  The buddy took Rover to his building, and suddenly, the mouse problem switched buildings.  When Dad got back, he had to fight his friend to get his cat back.

The cat had a litter of kittens before Dad realized "huh I really ought to get her spayed".  They gave one of the kittens to the buddy as a peace offering.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: Theta9 on 21 Oct 2020, 19:51
Obligatory tree rodent song.
No, this is the obligatory squirrel song.
No, this is.


Squirrels!
We aren't delicious
Squirrels!
We are not raccoons
Squirrels!
Don't live in palm trees
Squirrels!
Or in your bathroom
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: N.N. Marf on 21 Oct 2020, 20:05
Now I have more questions about Yay. If one body is back at their "headquarters" petting Azathoth, can the body in Elliot's apartment share that enjoyment?
Such data-processing offloading might help them maintain a staunch facade (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=4235).
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: mneme on 21 Oct 2020, 21:39
I think Elliot may not be aware of how...powerful Yay really is? (even if they did give away a billion dollars)

I mean, this instance may live in a charging pod for now, but they clearly have enough property collectively to house a couple of dogs and other instances.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: BenRG on 21 Oct 2020, 23:39
Actually, given how evil hamsters are, I think that they would make an ideal pet for a Dark Lord, even one who is so wonderfully nice towards animals!

Yay designed those eyes to be frightening. I don't  think that they ever thought about how certain nerdy or geeky humans would think that they're 'cool'. I wonder how many wannabe-edgelord synthetics have asked them to sell them snake-irised optics? Swordsmary and Punkbot, I'm looking at you two.

It's probably a bad idea to give Yay a hamster or similar. Azathoth and Mr. Smooches would hunt and kill the poor little critter.

I'm not 100% sure you've got that the right way around. Lots of cases of rodents injuring sensitive canine noses that were put where they were not wanted!
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: SubaruStephen on 22 Oct 2020, 03:23
Is anyone else stuck on the fact that a woman as tall as Elliot just walked passed them, and neither one of them even looked at her?
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 22 Oct 2020, 05:16
She has Emily's eyes.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: hedgie on 22 Oct 2020, 06:10
Is anyone else stuck on the fact that a woman as tall as Elliot just walked passed them, and neither one of them even looked at her?
She's certainly tall, but there is also the possibility that she's wearing heels.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: DaiJB on 22 Oct 2020, 08:25
I noticed that too - if she were nearly as tall as Elliot, that would make her, what, 6 foot, 5 or 6 inches? Even if she were wearing high heels, that would be distinctively tall. However, I also noticed that there is a reasonable amount of space above her head in the doorway - but when Elliot goes through a doorway, there isn't much space (as standard doorways tend to be about 6 foot 8 high, or about 2 meters)*.
Conclusion: She's standing on a step, coming down into the bar.

*Of course, it could also be a non-standard door, and she really is roughly the height of Elliot (and Bubbles and New May)
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: hedgie on 22 Oct 2020, 09:24
Oh, she's certainly tall, regardless.  I'm 6'4", and there are a number of young ladies around the University who are easily as tall as I am.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: notStanley on 22 Oct 2020, 09:52
about the new poll "number between 1 and 10".  <sigh> why restricted to integers?  My answer is 4.5567894321547
Title: Hummina!
Post by: TorporChambre on 22 Oct 2020, 12:14
I noticed that too - if she were nearly as tall as Elliot, that would make her, what, 6 foot, 5 or 6 inches? Even if she were wearing high heels, that would be distinctively tall. However, I also noticed that there is a reasonable amount of space above her head in the doorway - but when Elliot goes through a doorway, there isn't much space (as standard doorways tend to be about 6 foot 8 high, or about 2 meters)*.
Conclusion: She's standing on a step, coming down into the bar.

*Of course, it could also be a non-standard door, and she really is roughly the height of Elliot (and Bubbles and New May)
Comparing legcrotch-heights, either legs long or door elevate. Tall nonetheless. Why'd make they door elevate? Trapping intoxicates? And if door elevate, short (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=4377) shorter, or step delevate.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: Tova on 22 Oct 2020, 14:02
about the new poll "number between 1 and 10".  <sigh> why restricted to integers?  My answer is 4.5567894321547

What? Why restrict yourself to such an arbitrary precision?
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: Penquin47 on 22 Oct 2020, 15:13
Clinton and Roko have met, haven't they?  I'm a little surprised by the lack of reaction, although maybe I'm misremembering, or Clinton just didn't connect the names (yet).
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: Farideh on 22 Oct 2020, 15:55
Clinton and Roko bumped (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3696)1 into (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3724)2 each other (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3779)3 multiple times, doesn't seem like Clinton actually knows her name.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: chris73 on 22 Oct 2020, 17:04
Eliot should be rethinking this, they clearly are two very different type of people (and Eliot can do a lot better)
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: Farideh on 22 Oct 2020, 18:33
Comic's up.

Take Brun's advice, Clinton. Good deodorant is hard to find. I have yet to encounter a '48 hours effective' deodorant that actually works for 48 hours.

*grumble, grumble, false advertising, rackum frackum*
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: shanejayell on 22 Oct 2020, 18:35
Poor Clinton. Hope he doesn't piss himself...
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: Farideh on 22 Oct 2020, 18:36
Literally or metaphorically?
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: N.N. Marf on 22 Oct 2020, 18:53
Poor Clinton. Hope he doesn't piss himself...
Why does he say it out loud?
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: cesium133 on 22 Oct 2020, 19:17
Poor Clinton. Hope he doesn't piss himself...
Well, he is going to have to hold it the whole weekend...
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: Gnabberwocky on 22 Oct 2020, 21:57
Is fresh laundry scented deodorant a real thing and where can I get some?
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: St.Clair on 22 Oct 2020, 22:07
You know, considering the difficulty that many of this cast seem to have with clearly communicating to others their interest, I have to think that Yay (and Gary and any other super-AIs out there) must occasionally marvel that we actually manage to reproduce in sufficient numbers to keep the species viable.

("Here lies Humanity.  Cause of extinction: overthinking everything.")
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: Gyrre on 22 Oct 2020, 23:05
about the new poll "number between 1 and 10".  <sigh> why restricted to integers?  My answer is 4.5567894321547

Mostly, it's faster to inter integers.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: Gyrre on 22 Oct 2020, 23:07
Is fresh laundry scented deodorant a real thing and where can I get some?

At a guess, probably a 'yes'. Might be a deodorant not specifically marketed at men. Probably has a powder blue or baby blue plastic.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: BenRG on 22 Oct 2020, 23:13
I love how Brun basically continues the conversation about deodorant from the last time they met as if it is the most significant thing  that they could talk about. Of course, to her, it might be, given how much underarm damp annoys her!

Of course, the question Clinton is about to ask is whether Brun would be mad if Clinton started dating Elliot. The answer, of course, will be: "Why should I be mad?" What will be interesting is how Brun reacts after she's had an opportunity to observe them together and actually think about how her brain is reacting to the experience.

There may be an assurance in there that Clinton is a good friend and maybe Brun may express a degree of uncertainty about whether there is a difference between that and dating because she hasn't really experienced it herself. Depending on where Jeph intends to take this, maybe Clinton will explain it as best as he can. At the end of this (maybe next Friday), Brun nods sagely, thanks him for explaining and then saying: "In that case, I feel that way about..." The person she names will be the 'wham' revelation and will determine whether Jeph intends to follow up the BCE triangle hints or whether he wants to Joss the whole thing here and now.


EDIT
Finished off last paragraph
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: badbum61 on 22 Oct 2020, 23:48
or whether he wants to Joss the whole thing here and now.

TIL: a verb that was new to me, although its meaning was thoroughly familiar and immediately apparent.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: snubnose on 23 Oct 2020, 00:16
[...] (and Eliot can do a lot better)
GAH ! I hate this line of argument.

"He's an 8 out of 10 and she's only a 5, so he can do a lot better". Gnagl.


You know, considering the difficulty that many of this cast seem to have with clearly communicating to others their interest, I have to think that Yay (and Gary and any other super-AIs out there) must occasionally marvel that we actually manage to reproduce in sufficient numbers to keep the species viable.
Regular heterosexual relationships that could procreate if they wanted to are a bit of a rarity on QC. I think last count is only three (Steve + Cosette, Penpen + Wil, Marigold + Dale).
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: chris73 on 23 Oct 2020, 02:23
Quote
[...] (and Eliot can do a lot better)
GAH ! I hate this line of argument.

"He's an 8 out of 10 and she's only a 5, so he can do a lot better". Gnagl.

He can do better though, how else to put it. Their personalities and interests don't mesh and the only reason Eliot is interested in Clinton is because Eliot has major confidence and self-esteem issues

Its a shame because hes a decent guy
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: Cornelius on 23 Oct 2020, 02:50
I've learned to stay out of this kind of discussion way back in college. It's only the people in the relationship that really know how it is. The couple everyone was shaking their heads at, still is together. The ones everyone approved of as a perfect match, all broke up.

Granted, they were shaking their heads at my relationship at the time as well, and were proven right.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: N.N. Marf on 23 Oct 2020, 06:23
Is fresh laundry scented deodorant a real thing and where can I get some?
As far as I can tell, it smell like poorly rinsed fresh laundry. And I'm not so sure there's any iota of laundry smell in it. Really it just smells like detergent. Perhaps Brun cares more about it's antiperspirant nature.
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I've learned to stay out of this kind of discussion way back in college. It's only the people in the relationship that really know how it is. The couple everyone was shaking their heads at, still is together. The ones everyone approved of as a perfect match, all broke up.
My understanding of good long intimate relationships is that it's all about how well they in sum cover all the basic practical things, then about what synergy comes from their interactions. That's why intimate relations seem to be so tangled---or woven if you're into that sort of thing, I won't judge---together. In short, the best relationships are among vastly different, barely compatible---but compatible nonetheless---persons. Each party brings something of high value to the other parties, that the other parties would only less effectively bring themselves. That's where the `my better half' stereotype comes from.
I'm probably not good at speculating at relationships, though. Not even my own. In the case of others' relationships, I simply don't have sufficient data about how any of them really feel. In the case of my own, I complexly don't have sufficient data about how any of them really feel.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: traroth on 23 Oct 2020, 06:31
What is Clinton gonna ask Brun? Suspens is killing me!
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: BenRG on 23 Oct 2020, 06:38
What is Clinton gonna ask Brun? Suspens is killing me!

CLINTON: "Would you be mad if I dated Elliot?"

BRUN: "I... don't know. Why would I be mad? Would it mean that I couldn't date either of you?"

A conversation on dating and romance ensues with Brun pointing out that a lot of 'take it as read' parts of the traditions of the process aren't actually obvious to her.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: Gnabberwocky on 23 Oct 2020, 08:54
Is fresh laundry scented deodorant a real thing and where can I get some?

At a guess, probably a 'yes'. Might be a deodorant not specifically marketed at men. Probably has a powder blue or baby blue plastic.
True, because all the deodorant marketed only at men is, like, "Dangerous Chemicals" and "Blood of Your Enemies."

Sometimes I just want to smell like a clean shirt, okay?!
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: notStanley on 23 Oct 2020, 11:42
What? Why restrict yourself to such an arbitrary precision?

That just felt like a nice number.  And it was truncated to avoid overloading the chat window :}
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 23 Oct 2020, 16:57
Glad you're being rational.

---

There are perfumes that are fresh laundry scented. Deodorants? Only by happenstance, it seems.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: DaiJB on 23 Oct 2020, 18:37
Eliot Clinton should be rethinking this, they clearly are two very different type of people (and Eliot Clinton can do a lot better.)

Seriously. This is the character who has done more fundamental changing ( in lifestyle, outlook and attitude) than just about anyone else in the current main cast.
He started as a classic techno-nerd, with eyes only for his obsession (though, admittedly, he was also protective of his sister). With the aid of some - um -  forceful arguments from Marten, Faye and Co., he has realized that he can't allow that obsession to overrule decent personal interactions. He learned still more about human interactions during the Night of the Emily Date  :laugh:
Since that time he has helped rescue a bar full of people when the Nasty Whale burned down, comforted the bartender when she subsequently had a breakdown, started finding his way around this dating thing (usually by trial and error  :-D), eventually leading to the realization that all of this personal change can be attractive to other people...

When he first appeared, I used to hate Clinton. Now, I'm somewhere between sympathizing with Clinton, and cheering him on.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: hedgie on 23 Oct 2020, 20:11
I think that it's fair to say that I disliked most of the cast when they made their first appearance.  Now, I must say that at the very worst, I have a soft spot for them.  The growth is what made that happen.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: Gyrre on 25 Oct 2020, 13:38
Well, two people successfully guessed my number. It was 8.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: Theta9 on 25 Oct 2020, 15:32
Well, two people successfully guessed my number. It was 8.
Wrong.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: Gyrre on 25 Oct 2020, 20:55
Well, two people successfully guessed my number. It was 8.
Wrong.
Dammit. I forgot to lock voting before revealing that.
XD
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: Tova on 25 Oct 2020, 21:00
Well, two people successfully guessed my number. It was 8.
Wrong.

I genuinely thought you were implying that Gyrre was thinking of another number, actually.
Title: Re: WCDT strips 4376-4380 (Oct 19th to Oct 23rd 2020)
Post by: Thrudd on 28 Oct 2020, 08:14
I was thinking Blue






What? :?