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Title: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Gyrre on 01 Nov 2020, 08:28
'Sven is not a mooch' seems to have been supplanted with 'Clinton, drink some water' as a replacement for the long running 'spathe ham' this week.

EDIT: ANY POLL PREDICTIONS THAT COME TO PASS ARE PURELY COINCIDENTAL. DO NOT BE ALARMED.
I'm not trying to spoil anything for anyone. I've consumed a ton of media and have often come up with ideas on my own that I see some time down thevroad get played out. I'm used to it.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Tova on 01 Nov 2020, 11:46
I chose the funny option, as is traditional.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Gyrre on 01 Nov 2020, 12:58
I chose the funny option, as is traditional.

Yeah, I made this after only 4 hours of sleep (had to go to the bathroom). So there's only two joke options.

I did remember to give everyone two votes this time, though.

EDIT: *derp* Just read the poll options before voting. I decided to make the Brun one a joke too and forgot to replace the parentheses.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Reaver on 01 Nov 2020, 13:50
I'm sad we didn't get to see some sorta halloween-y slanted plot...I'da loved to see an e-claire.... :clairedoge:
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Gyrre on 01 Nov 2020, 17:02
I'm sad we didn't get to see some sorta halloween-y slanted plot...I'da loved to see an e-claire.... :clairedoge:
Hmmmmm........Yay having an awkward date with 'Dolphin Jack' (forgot character's name) could count as horror or suspense.

Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: DaiJB on 01 Nov 2020, 17:03
What, no "Other" option?? I always vote Other!   :-D

But, yeah, "Clinton, drink more water" was, to me, a given.
Plus the next day discussion, recriminations and regrets...  :-\
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Gyrre on 01 Nov 2020, 17:10
What, no "Other" option?? I always vote Other!   :-D

But, yeah, "Clinton, drink more water" was, to me, a given.
Plus the next day discussion, recriminations and regrets...  :-\
My bad. Hang on.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Farideh on 01 Nov 2020, 17:29
Hmmmmm........Yay having an awkward date with 'Dolphin Jack' (forgot character's name) could count as horror or suspense.


Barry.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Zebediah on 01 Nov 2020, 18:20
Comic's up. It's complicated.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Farideh on 01 Nov 2020, 18:24
Poor Elliot. I feel for him.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: shanejayell on 01 Nov 2020, 18:26
Poor Elliot.

I wouldn't mind seeing the support group dealing with the new May. *lol*
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: sitnspin on 01 Nov 2020, 18:56
You know what would make things less complicated? Clear and honest communication.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Farideh on 01 Nov 2020, 18:59
Hopefully they'll get around to that.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: ANeM on 01 Nov 2020, 19:22
I'm sad that Clinton seems to have reverted to his earlier behavior where he is completely oblivious to peoples boundaries or feelings and ends up hurting people. The fact he actually managed to make some friends has only managed to increase the potential fallout.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: sitnspin on 01 Nov 2020, 19:40
No one is a telepath. None of can know about boundaries and feelings we aren't made aware of. Blaming Clinton for not knowing how Elliot is feeling when Elliot is going out of his way to not talk about his feelings is more than a little unfair. This is why clear and honest communication is important. If you want people to respect your feelings and boundaries, you have to tell them what they are.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: ANeM on 01 Nov 2020, 20:06
I don't expect him to be a telepath. This is pretty basic etiquette. Don't get hammered on a first date. Don't talk about having a crush on someone else during a first date. Doing both at the same time is a big Nope. His foot was lodged pretty firmly in his mouth even before divulged Brun's feelings about Elliot.

It wasn't really fair for him to unload all that baggage on to Elliot out of the blue, especially when he said he'd wanted to spend the time working out his feelings regarding Elliot. He instead decided to spend the evening working out his feelings for Brun.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: sitnspin on 01 Nov 2020, 20:29
It's not a date. They made that clear before hand. It's just hanging out while Elliot is at work.  He didn't "spend the evening", he talked with Brun for a few minutes on his way to the commode. He didn't "unload", he relayed what he considered to be useful and helpful information. That Elliot was upset by said information is unfortunate, and if Clinton was/is made aware of it, apologies should be made, but as it stands unless Elliot makes his feelings known, Clinton has no way of knowing.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Dandi Andi on 01 Nov 2020, 21:09
I am very firmly with Sitnspin here. Like I said before, it's not a date. At no point did Clinton say to Elliot, "Yes, I think I am romantically attracted to you and I would like to go on a date." He didn't say "Let's spend some time together working out my feelings for you." He said "Let's grab a beer." You know, that thing friends do sometimes. Let's hang out in a context that we have hung out in before and will likely do again because we're friends and this is normal. Clinton is acting exactly as if Elliot is his friend, which is what he is. None of this would have been any sort of problem at all if we weren't aware of Elliot's attraction to him. And it still isn't a problem. Sure, we now know that Elliot is feeling hurt. But we have a narrator's perspective. Clinton doesn't. And Clinton isn't responsible for Elliot's feelings just because he knows Elliot thinks he's cute, anyway.

Here's a life lesson that changed my life for the better. You can be attracted to your friends. That's OK. Even if they aren't attracted to you. I have a friend who if she ever said "Hey! Wanna watch 90's revival cartoons and make out?" I would jump on that chance immediately. But she won't because she isn't attracted to me. And that's fine. I don't expect her to pretend not to be attracted to other people. I don't expect her to pretend not to have a sex life that doesn't include me. I don't insist that it is "basic etiquette" to not flirt with the cute server when we go out. Do I feel a pang of jealousy sometimes? Yes. Of course I do. But that's MY issue. Not hers. My feelings are my own responsibility because I'm an adult. And you know what I don't do? Lie to her face and tell her I'm not feeling what I'm feeling and then blame her for believing me.

And this may be Clinton's answer for himself. Maybe he didn't behave like he was on a date because this didn't feel like a date to him. Maybe it didn't feel like a date because he's not actually attracted to Elliot and nothing's gonna come out of this.

Or maybe he thought they could hang out with Elliot at work as friends and see how that felt. And then he could have a few beers and have a reason to walk to his mom's place afterword instead of going home. And maybe Elliot could walk him there. Maybe he could hang around for an hour or two and he could see how it felt to hang out with Elliot in a more intimate setting. Maybe hanging out in a bar while Elliot is working won't feel like anything special, but having a few hours alone will. And if he actually planned that? Well that sure as hell wouldn't be the worst idea he's ever had. And given how quickly he invited Elliot over to his mom's the moment things started going pear shaped, it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if he had.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Gnabberwocky on 01 Nov 2020, 21:16
The greatest flaw among my friend group is the lack of the ability to apologize properly. It turns into a game of "I didn't mean to" and "It was someone else's fault" and "What I did wasn't all that bad and here's why." This leads to more fights than any other quality in any other friend group I've ever had.

Clinton said something that hurt Elliot. Elliot communicated badly in response and clouded their dynamic. Clinton and Elliot need to apologize to each other next time they meet or I'll lose considerable respect for both of them.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: N.N. Marf on 01 Nov 2020, 23:06
It's not a date, but it's more than just hanging out: Clinton knows he's maybe attracted to Elliot, so would want to explore that, and Elliot's been attracted to Clinton, and is waiting on his answer. They're both eager to know each other better, on a more intimate level. This makes their hasty beers-afterat-work idea even worse. This is where the insincere-peasantry and captive-audience might apply.
I wonder if Elliot would've been more willing to talk about his feelings had he had his answer.
The greatest flaw among my friend group is the lack of the ability to apologize properly. It turns into a game of "I didn't mean to" and "It was someone else's fault" and "What I did wasn't all that bad and here's why." This leads to more fights than any other quality in any other friend group I've ever had.
Most my friends don't like apologizing, so we've agreed to acknowledge the error---at least in one's mind, but an ``oops'' aloud is nice---and work towards righting the situation and preventing similar future. There's something defensive about ``sorry'' or apology.

Hannelore becoming too Chatham, dealing with that, would be interesting.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: BenRG on 01 Nov 2020, 23:29
New comic up and...

I do think that Brun is going to be earning her headache this week. She's a sensible person and one not entirely at ease with the concept of self-deceit and emotional reactions that about which people are not firmly aware. Given that fact, she's going to have a hard time understanding the events of tonight, which have been entirely the result of feelings, desires and hopes that are not always being consciously acknowledged or that the person feels comfortable with.

If it makes you feel better, Brun, I don't think that Elliot is entirely that close to fully 'getting' what's going on himself!
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: bright on 02 Nov 2020, 00:07
Not saying that communication isn't a good thing, but sometimes you really aren't in the mood to do so. And sometimes telling people how you really feel at that moment in time, is definitely a bad thing.

It's no use explaining your feelings to someone who's clearly drunk and being irrational. It's also no use for Elliot to tell Brun that Clinton was being a Jerk, because badmouthing someone's friend is not a nice thing to do. And Elliot is a kind person. And I'm pretty sure now isn't the time to discuss his feelings about Elliot and Brun to Brun. It's just complicated as he said. Also during all this he is still working so now is not the time because of that as well.

I have to say in general I think that Jeph does a great job with how his characters react to situations. Sometimes people do shitty stuff, sometimes you just don't want to deal with stuff. I've been there and yeah.
Clinton isn't a bad person, he just has bad moments. Nobody is perfect. Trust me if you insist on communicating your feelings all the time, I'm pretty sure there are people out there who find you insufferable.

In short. Communication is good, but has to be well timed and well considered. Don't constantly unload your feelings on everyone on the spot because you're just making everything about you. You're basically doing what Clinton did. A whole heck of a lot of feelings got communicated there and you all think he's an ass for it.

I'd be quite happy if these two didn't end up together, they have nothing in common and it saves me from being annoyed at previously 'straight' characters being turned gay. Too much of a being gay is a choice vibe.
Title: Who is this `Nobody' person I keep hearing so much about?
Post by: N.N. Marf on 02 Nov 2020, 00:40
I'd be quite happy if these two didn't end up together, they have nothing in common and it saves me from being annoyed at previously 'straight' characters being turned gay. Too much of a being gay is a choice vibe.
Presumed straight, maybe. Plenty a person simply never considered he might be attracted to a person of a certain gender.
And what's wrong with it being a choice? I can make myself attracted to someone---anyone---and I gladly did it more than once. You wanna say I shouldn't exercise that choice? My choice to make myself attracted to someone e.g. if I think there might be a benefit, e.g. strengthening what already is a close friendship, with a person who I learn is carnally interested in me.. Not exactly sure how, but if I put the intention to be attracted to someone, it happens.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Annemoon on 02 Nov 2020, 01:16
To be honest, I think there is a whole "more people are bi/more romantically flexible then we (or they!) even know" going on.
And the reason we don't see that is how culturally biased we are towards hetero normative roles. In a very gay/straight/bi/pan/etc accepting friend group with a numerous sample of both you actually often see more people coming out as, or finding out that they are gay/bi etc. Like, I had a few friends (male and female) that sort of admitted to themselves and others that they were bi while presumed straight before.
And even a guy who always thought he was gay and then got a crush on a lady...

Turns out that if you release the whole strict "you are either straight or gay" lines of accepted reasoning, more people turn out to fall outside those lines.
I can speak from experience in this regard, like, you just never consider the feelings towards your own gender, if you also have feelings for the other gender if that falls within society's norm.
It's only after you have your first question proposition from the same gender, or a super obvious crush on your own gender that you suddenly start re-evaluating earlier experiences.
Maybe straight kids don't realllllyyy hope for that goodnight 'kiss' from their same gender baby sitter... you know maybe that's a thing..
Title: Re: Who is this `Nobody' person I keep hearing so much about?
Post by: bright on 02 Nov 2020, 01:25
I'd be quite happy if these two didn't end up together, they have nothing in common and it saves me from being annoyed at previously 'straight' characters being turned gay. Too much of a being gay is a choice vibe.
Presumed straight, maybe. Plenty a person simply never considered he might be attracted to a person of a certain gender.
And what's wrong with it being a choice? I can make myself attracted to someone---anyone---and I gladly did it more than once. You wanna say I shouldn't exercise that choice? My choice to make myself attracted to someone e.g. if I think there might be a benefit, e.g. strengthening what already is a close friendship, with a person who I learn is carnally interested in me.. Not exactly sure how, but if I put the intention to be attracted to someone, it happens.

Homosexuality being called a choice has basically been used as a reason to discriminate against LGBT. It's also the idea behind the very harmful gay conversion therapy. It took a lot of work of to get a general acceptance that homosexuality is not a choice.

Sexuality is complicated. You have 100% straight and 100% gay and everything in between. Most people fall somewhere on that scale.

I personally believe you can be 100% straight and physically enjoy sex with the opposite sex. It's just not your activity of choice. I do think however that you are quite aware of yourself how interested you are in the opposite sex, your own sex, no sex or other at all by your 20s. You might not accept this, but you are aware of it. Clinton by having to ask his sister did not seem aware of his possible same sex attraction. That seems weird to me. If he'd be bi, he would have likely already been attracted to a guy before and wouldn't need Claire to walk him through it. Of course this last part is just my opinion/experience with it.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: snubnose on 02 Nov 2020, 02:05
I chose the funny option, as is traditional.
Drat.

And here I went all rebellious and went for the funny options out of sheer spite !

... not sure against whom, though. :roll:
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: BenRG on 02 Nov 2020, 02:14
I chose the funny option, as is traditional.

Drat.

And here I went all rebellious and went for the funny options out of sheer spite !

... not sure against whom, though. :roll:

When everyone plays the class clown, then being the studious, serious one is a revolutionary act.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Gyrre on 02 Nov 2020, 02:21
I chose the funny option, as is traditional.

Drat.

And here I went all rebellious and went for the funny options out of sheer spite !

... not sure against whom, though. :roll:

When everyone plays the class clown, then being the studious, serious one is a revolutionary act.

That's actually partially why I hide the poll results until somebody has voted.

Several studies show that knowing the poll results prior to voting will very much influence how someone will vote. Unfortunately, several corporations, foundations, and other organizations have yet to grock that when allowing the public to vote for something. Hence 'Boaty McBoatface' and Green Onion Chex.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: hedgie on 02 Nov 2020, 02:49
Sadly, during my school days, I was class clown and at the top of every exam simultaneously. 
Title: Re: Who is this `Nobody' person I keep hearing so much about?
Post by: wiserd on 02 Nov 2020, 02:58
I personally believe you can be 100% straight and physically enjoy sex with the opposite sex.

I personally think people need to factor in both 'attraction' and 'disgust.' A person might lack attraction and also lack disgust and be capable of  the type of flexibility you describe. But if a person is disgusted by a certain activity then they probably won't enjoy it. It seems problematic to me that many people seem to view attraction as real but view disgust entirely as a choice.

In the average person, attraction decreases disgust. Though I suspect that there are some people who are missing that effect, and experience both at the same time.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Mr. Doctor on 02 Nov 2020, 03:53
Urgh. This is just a trainwreck and I want it to stop. The interactions between Elliot, Brun and Clinton are all too forced. Just stay as friends.

Please, do not misunderstand me, I'm not complaining to Jeph. On the countrary I feel this has been an all too perfect demonstration of what awkwardness is when it comes to pursuing relationships. How forced and clearly-non-reciprocating it can be.




Now let's move to May and Sven's possible death by snu-snu.  :-D
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: snubnose on 02 Nov 2020, 05:01
Now let's move to May and Sven's possible death by snu-snu.  :-D
WORD !!!!
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Reaver on 02 Nov 2020, 06:01
I feel like Elliot and Clinton shoulda tried to be friends before they tried the romance game...
Title: Re: Who is this `Nobody' person I keep hearing so much about?
Post by: bright on 02 Nov 2020, 06:59

I personally think people need to factor in both 'attraction' and 'disgust.' A person might lack attraction and also lack disgust and be capable of  the type of flexibility you describe. But if a person is disgusted by a certain activity then they probably won't enjoy it. It seems problematic to me that many people seem to view attraction as real but view disgust entirely as a choice.

In the average person, attraction decreases disgust. Though I suspect that there are some people who are missing that effect, and experience both at the same time.

I agree with this that disgust is very much a factor. I do think that disgust is something you learn and pick up though, but once it's set in, it's really hard to get over if ever. But with disgust I think the problem is being actually disgusted by stuff and just not liking thing. When does one cross over to the other. I think it's easy for people to dismiss disgust as oh they just don't like it.

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Now let's move to May and Sven's possible death by snu-snu.  :-D

Yes please.

Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Christophelous on 02 Nov 2020, 09:50
I feel like Elliot and Clinton shoulda tried to be friends before they tried the romance game...

I thought they were friends. They were formally introduced to each other about 900 comics ago (comic 3507)  and they've had plenty of times where they've had what seems like fairly natural conversation. For two dudes who are socially awkward in different ways, at least. And who manage to repeatedly flirt with each other. "Accidently."

Anyways, my vote is for Brun going back with Elliot and cat conversations ensue. Brun is good for Elliot in this situation. She's incapable of seeing deceit in her friends, so she'll probably be able to speak about Clinton's actions in a ways that let's Elliot look past his own insecurities about what Clinton was saying. I hope Elliot is able to open up to Clinton after that, but I can't see him doing so (or going over to meet his mother... yeah... DEFINITELY NOT a date, right?) before clearing up some things in his own mind.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 02 Nov 2020, 10:59
Clearly we can't have all three points of the triangle in the same place at the same time because the drama would become  incommensurable.

( get back to work you goof offs )


Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: St.Clair on 02 Nov 2020, 11:14
Clearly we can't have all three points of the triangle in the same place at the same time because the drama would become  incommensurable.

( get back to work you goof offs )

I had to look that up to make sure it wasn't a synonym for "unsustainable" or  (almost) "immediately resolved".
(It is, so far as I can tell, not.)
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: dutchrvl on 02 Nov 2020, 11:25
It's not a date. They made that clear before hand. It's just hanging out while Elliot is at work.  He didn't "spend the evening", he talked with Brun for a few minutes on his way to the commode. He didn't "unload", he relayed what he considered to be useful and helpful information. That Elliot was upset by said information is unfortunate, and if Clinton was/is made aware of it, apologies should be made, but as it stands unless Elliot makes his feelings known, Clinton has no way of knowing.

I generally agree with you on all points, except that Clinton is not entirely without a faux-pas here. For one he knows about Elliott's interest in him (or am I misremembering that?), and therefore it's not exactly great how he decided to talk to Elliott about just having a convo with Brun to see whether she was into him. Plus, I don't think it's up to Clinton to share with Elliot what Brun told him regarding her attraction (or lack thereof) to other guys.

But yes, Elliot going out of his way to talk about his feelings is making things even worse.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Thrillho on 02 Nov 2020, 13:52
You know what would make things less complicated? Clear and honest communication.

Pfffffffffffffffft if you had a penis you would understand why it gets in the way of my feelings

Not saying that communication isn't a good thing, but sometimes you really aren't in the mood to do so. And sometimes telling people how you really feel at that moment in time, is definitely a bad thing.

It's no use explaining your feelings to someone who's clearly drunk and being irrational. It's also no use for Elliot to tell Brun that Clinton was being a Jerk, because badmouthing someone's friend is not a nice thing to do. And Elliot is a kind person. And I'm pretty sure now isn't the time to discuss his feelings about Elliot and Brun to Brun. It's just complicated as he said. Also during all this he is still working so now is not the time because of that as well.

I have to say in general I think that Jeph does a great job with how his characters react to situations. Sometimes people do shitty stuff, sometimes you just don't want to deal with stuff. I've been there and yeah.
Clinton isn't a bad person, he just has bad moments. Nobody is perfect. Trust me if you insist on communicating your feelings all the time, I'm pretty sure there are people out there who find you insufferable.

In short. Communication is good, but has to be well timed and well considered. Don't constantly unload your feelings on everyone on the spot because you're just making everything about you. You're basically doing what Clinton did. A whole heck of a lot of feelings got communicated there and you all think he's an ass for it.

I think you're misunderstanding the direction of the criticism here. I don't think anyone is advocating for 'immediately tell Clinton this is hurting your feelings and why.' I think people are advocating for 'if you had asked Clinton out on an actual date and/or made your feelings known up front, you'd probably not be in the situation you are currently in.'

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I'd be quite happy if these two didn't end up together, they have nothing in common and it saves me from being annoyed at previously 'straight' characters being turned gay. Too much of a being gay is a choice vibe.

Why is that, exactly? Because that gives me a 'straight unless otherwise stated' vibe, which is a thing that could equally do with being eroded.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Case on 02 Nov 2020, 14:27
You know what would make things less complicated? Clear and honest communication.

Pfffffffffffffffft if you had a penis you would understand why it gets in the way of my feelings

Actually, it tends to get in the way, period.

P.S. Zippers. Not your friends, they are.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: zisraelsen on 02 Nov 2020, 18:08
Comic!

This is... a good thing?
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Zebediah on 02 Nov 2020, 18:15
Elliot just summarized the last week of forum posts for us.

Well, maybe “summarized” is the wrong word.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: St.Clair on 02 Nov 2020, 18:29
holy shit, he actually did it.

I ... did not expect that.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Gnabberwocky on 02 Nov 2020, 18:47
Close, Elliot, but that's too much communication. Dial it back.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: shanejayell on 02 Nov 2020, 18:53
Now I'm going 'Poor Brun.' *lol*
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Farideh on 02 Nov 2020, 19:06
I'm going for 'Poor Elliot AND Brun'.


Now, if Elliot can summarize that a bit, he'll have the perfect speech for Clinton.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Reaver on 02 Nov 2020, 20:06
....Too much communication, dial it back like 3 notches and we're absolutely good.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Oenone on 02 Nov 2020, 20:21
Poor Brun. She’s got all these dudes emotionally vomiting on her AT WORk. Rude.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Reaver on 02 Nov 2020, 20:37
Poor Brun. She’s got all these dudes emotionally vomiting on her AT WORk. Rude.

I don't feel sympathy for miss "I am picturing us having sex right now, btw do you want to  talk about masturbation?" Lol, especially since you know...

She asked....

To clarify, I don't think Poor Brun for the Elliot thing, and sorta roll my eyes at the Clinton thing, but either way this isn't really a  " Poor Brun" moment to me
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Tova on 02 Nov 2020, 21:49
Let’s not forget that she has spent her career listening to customers emotionally unburdening themselves.

She’s very good at her job.

If he starts again and slows down this time, I am sure she will have some sound advice to offer.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Bollthorn on 02 Nov 2020, 22:04
Poor Elliott. I wanna give him a big cuddle and tell him how much of a sweetheart he is and it's gonna be okay. T_T
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: MrNumbers on 02 Nov 2020, 22:16
Again, my read was that Clinton wasn't treating Elliott as a fallback option. He was seeking closure because he was thinking about Elliott. It's just that closure hurt a little more than he expected it to, which sucks for everyone involved here.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: N.N. Marf on 02 Nov 2020, 22:53
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If he starts again and slows down this time, I am sure she will have some sound advice to offer.
She already has: slow down. Not only to make it easier for Brun to listen and properly advise, but also for Elliot to be able to work through the whole thing calmly.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Christophelous on 02 Nov 2020, 23:06
Elliot just summarized the last week of forum posts for us.

Well, maybe “summarized” is the wrong word.

Yep, my thoughts exactly. I'm glad he opened up, but I was definitely expecting Jeph to drag it out. But now next comic can be a Brun wisdom session! That'll be fun
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: BenRG on 03 Nov 2020, 00:05
I wonder if Elliot's voice pitch was changing towards the end of each speech bubble there?
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: TV4Fun on 03 Nov 2020, 01:03
I can definitely understand where Clinton's head was. I too have spent long periods of time pining after someone with no interest in me, but never actually asking them, and then suddenly had a real prospect come up for a relationship with someone else. I had to ask my crush and get that no just so that I could create a clearing for a new relationship without constantly thinking about what I might be missing.

Unlike Clinton, I did not get drunk and tell my new prospect all about what I'd done as we were still getting to know each other.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Reaver on 03 Nov 2020, 02:18
Though I think Elliot expecting LOYALTY might be a bit much... Elliot you havent even held his hand yet.. slow down.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: N.N. Marf on 03 Nov 2020, 03:09
Though I think Elliot expecting LOYALTY might be a bit much... Elliot you havent even held his hand yet.. slow down.
Reminds me their handshake breaking Clinton's prosthetic.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Reaver on 03 Nov 2020, 05:25
Though I think Elliot expecting LOYALTY might be a bit much... Elliot you havent even held his hand yet.. slow down.
Reminds me their handshake breaking Clinton's prosthetic.

Still cant believe he didnt let Elliot pay for the damage geeze :laugh:
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: stayctee on 03 Nov 2020, 09:23
I'm of the opinion that if you're really attracted to someone, you know it, and having to test it out and see feels forced and unnatural and also unfair to the other person. If I told someone I was attracted to them and they were like, "hmm not sure about that, I need to go think about it a bunch," I'd just take that as a no. Wouldn't you want a person to KNOW? Relationships should be able to happen naturally without a bunch of weird awkward discussions. This whole thing is so high school it's painful.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Thrillho on 03 Nov 2020, 10:06
I think that's a bit of a blanket viewpoint to take.

It can take a long time for attraction or feelings to develop. And sometimes it's about perspective on the person you might not have until you see them in a romantic or potentially romantic scenario.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Reaver on 03 Nov 2020, 10:24
I think that's a bit of a blanket viewpoint to take.

It can take a long time for attraction or feelings to develop. And sometimes it's about perspective on the person you might not have until you see them in a romantic or potentially romantic scenario.

And sometimes you can be attracted to someone and then you date them and then it's like "Wow all my attraction dried up like a blocked river " and it makes things hella awkward.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: dilbert719 on 03 Nov 2020, 10:25
OK, Elliott, good. Now, that, but slower, and to Clinton (tomorrow when he's sobered up), and I think we'll start to get somewhere.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: dutchrvl on 03 Nov 2020, 10:53
I'm of the opinion that if you're really attracted to someone, you know it, and having to test it out and see feels forced and unnatural and also unfair to the other person. If I told someone I was attracted to them and they were like, "hmm not sure about that, I need to go think about it a bunch," I'd just take that as a no. Wouldn't you want a person to KNOW? Relationships should be able to happen naturally without a bunch of weird awkward discussions. This whole thing is so high school it's painful.

Apart from the fact that there are various forms of attraction (and not all necessarily romantic and/or sexual in nature), attraction is also not some static factor that either is there or not from the moment you meet somebody and after that cannot change over time.
You can feel attracted to somebody form the start (physically/emotionally/intellectually/whatever), sure, but that attraction can dissipate, or develop into non-romantic attraction, once you get to know more about the person. Similarly, attraction may not be there initially but can absolutely develop by getting to know more about the person.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: stayctee on 03 Nov 2020, 11:24
Mmmmm, yeah no. I understand about complicated levels of attraction like emotional, intellectual attraction etc. Sure. But raw, physical attraction? That's chemical. As in, pheromones. It's either there or it isn't. Because science.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Thrillho on 03 Nov 2020, 11:55
Citation requested.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Tova on 03 Nov 2020, 12:19
It can take a long time for attraction or feelings to develop.

I mean, I agree with this as far as you go.

But in the meantime, if someone were to ask me if I were attracted to them, and those feelings hadn't developed yet, then the correct answer would be "no."

Not, "Hmmm, maybe, let's hang out socially and put you on hold while I work it out, this might take awhile, hey this isn't awkward is it?"
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Thrillho on 03 Nov 2020, 13:37
Which is why I requested a citation.

Because all I have to go on is my own personal experience, of being asked if I'm attracted to someone and thinking 'I dunno' or 'maybe' or 'in some lights' or 'depends on how horny I am' or 'when they wear that specific outfit' or better yet 'yes, now that we are in an orgy situation and there they are.'

And what about denial? I've been dealing with my complex queer feelings my entire life and I had a lot of crushes that I'm only even realising are that years later in some cases.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Christophelous on 03 Nov 2020, 13:53
Mmmmm, yeah no. I understand about complicated levels of attraction like emotional, intellectual attraction etc. Sure. But raw, physical attraction? That's chemical. As in, pheromones. It's either there or it isn't. Because science.

Citation requested.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/03/do-human-pheromones-actually-exist

Summarized even more than the already summed article, author of a paper who is convinced that humans use pheremones has ruled out two more possible pheremones. None are yet known.  Article is from 2017. Scientifically speaking, stayctee is in the wrong, at least about raw physical attraction being about chemistry and pheremones.  However, there's a lot of evidence relating facial symmetry and attractiveness going back to at least 1999.

All that being said, knowing someone is traditionally attractive isn't the same as being attracted to them. Being attracted to someone is a hugely personal thing,  and can encompass physical as well as mental and emotional aspects.  Yeah, it's possible to be immediately attracted to someone based solely on the physical, but it's also entirely possible to be attracted to someone only after getting to know them due to mental or emotional aspects. And those are far from the only two possibilities.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Farideh on 03 Nov 2020, 14:09
When it comes to attraction, I've always been puzzled by descriptions in books, where the protagonist meets someone and immediately falls head-over-heels in love. The 'love' in those cases is based purely on physical attraction: the other person is so devastatingly handsome, etc. I've never understood that: how can you be attracted to someone without knowing anything about them? Their personality, interests, intellect, and so on.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Thrillho on 03 Nov 2020, 14:31
When it comes to attraction, I've always been puzzled by descriptions in books, where the protagonist meets someone and immediately falls head-over-heels in love. The 'love' in those cases is based purely on physical attraction: the other person is so devastatingly handsome, etc. I've never understood that: how can you be attracted to someone without knowing anything about them? Their personality, interests, intellect, and so on.

I believe that is limerence! (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limerence).
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: hedgie on 03 Nov 2020, 14:40
When it comes to attraction, I've always been puzzled by descriptions in books, where the protagonist meets someone and immediately falls head-over-heels in love. The 'love' in those cases is based purely on physical attraction: the other person is so devastatingly handsome, etc. I've never understood that: how can you be attracted to someone without knowing anything about them? Their personality, interests, intellect, and so on.
I did actually have that with my last gf, even though I'm normally slow to develop any attraction at all.  Of course, she's an amazing person who is smart as hell, and has a sardonic wit.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Callinectes on 03 Nov 2020, 15:50
I am glad of Elliot's explanation, because I was at a total loss to explain what the sudden problem was. Though I'm still not sure that his explanation makes sense, I am given to understand that emotions are dumb like that.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Tova on 03 Nov 2020, 15:59
I totally get the idea of not immediately knowing whether you are genuinely attracted to someone, but I thought that figuring this out was the entire point of dating.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Farideh on 03 Nov 2020, 16:07
That, and to see whether you're compatible
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Gus_Smedstad on 03 Nov 2020, 16:34
I totally get the idea of not immediately knowing whether you are genuinely attracted to someone, but I thought that figuring this out was the entire point of dating.

I wouldn't put it that way at all.

It's never been the least bit difficult determining if someone was physically attractive to me.

The point of dating was finding out who they were, what sort of person they were. Learning their mind. I suppose you could argue that you're learning if they were mentally, emotionally attractive to you, so it's true in that sense, but that's not how the word is usually used.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Farideh on 03 Nov 2020, 18:22
Comic's up.

Bless you Brun, for your sage advice.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: zisraelsen on 03 Nov 2020, 18:27
She is good at her job.

Maybe ease off the "telling people you're visualizing them having sex" thing, though.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Tova on 03 Nov 2020, 18:27
I totally get the idea of not immediately knowing whether you are genuinely attracted to someone, but I thought that figuring this out was the entire point of dating.

I wouldn't put it that way at all.

It's never been the least bit difficult determining if someone was physically attractive to me.

The point of dating was finding out who they were, what sort of person they were. Learning their mind. I suppose you could argue that you're learning if they were mentally, emotionally attractive to you, so it's true in that sense, but that's not how the word is usually used.

That’s how I use it.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: shanejayell on 03 Nov 2020, 18:51
Brun: Yaoi is HOT.

Marigold: Come over and look at my collection!
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Hypersapien on 03 Nov 2020, 18:56
Again, my read was that Clinton wasn't treating Elliott as a fallback option. He was seeking closure because he was thinking about Elliott. It's just that closure hurt a little more than he expected it to, which sucks for everyone involved here.

He didn't have to tell Elliott, though.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: MrNumbers on 03 Nov 2020, 20:22
Thank you, Brun, very cool
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Gyrre on 03 Nov 2020, 20:37
I feel like Elliot and Clinton shoulda tried to be friends before they tried the romance game...

That seems to usually make things a bit smoother. Though expecting it to become something more without putting in the effort to make that a worthwhile option for the other party seems to be an all too common pitfall.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Reaver on 03 Nov 2020, 21:37
Again, my read was that Clinton wasn't treating Elliott as a fallback option. He was seeking closure because he was thinking about Elliott. It's just that closure hurt a little more than he expected it to, which sucks for everyone involved here.

He didn't have to tell Elliott, though.


This Comic is just ufll of people who say things they really don't have to.

For example Brun doesn't have to keep telling people she's thinking about having sex with them.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Gnabberwocky on 03 Nov 2020, 22:08
By Elliot's logic, there wasn't actually a way that Elliot could have been Clinton's "first choice." Elliot made the first move, so Clinton already knew that Elliot was into him, but he didn't know about Brun. Asking Brun wasn't a bad thing to do.

Telling Elliot about it...that could have been done more tactfully.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: St.Clair on 03 Nov 2020, 22:13
And that's because Elliot isn't actually using logic right now.  His emotions are driving.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Farideh on 03 Nov 2020, 22:47
Good thing Brun's putting the brakes on then.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: cybersmurf on 03 Nov 2020, 23:57
Brun is capable of being quite distant, emotionally. Maybe it's harder for her NOT to be distant. But it makes her good at her job.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Reaver on 04 Nov 2020, 00:19
Good thing Brun's putting the brakes on then.

Naw, now they’re shifting gears and thinking with their junk lol
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: cybersmurf on 04 Nov 2020, 00:26
Good thing Brun's putting the brakes on then.

Naw, now they’re shifting gears and thinking with their junk lol

Well, sometimes, in situations like this, you have to let that happen. In a somewhat controlled way. Which means: it's easily going to go out of control.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: snubnose on 04 Nov 2020, 00:28
When it comes to attraction, I've always been puzzled by descriptions in books, where the protagonist meets someone and immediately falls head-over-heels in love. The 'love' in those cases is based purely on physical attraction: the other person is so devastatingly handsome, etc. I've never understood that: how can you be attracted to someone without knowing anything about them? Their personality, interests, intellect, and so on.

Its called Charisma.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: cybersmurf on 04 Nov 2020, 00:38
When it comes to attraction, I've always been puzzled by descriptions in books, where the protagonist meets someone and immediately falls head-over-heels in love. The 'love' in those cases is based purely on physical attraction: the other person is so devastatingly handsome, etc. I've never understood that: how can you be attracted to someone without knowing anything about them? Their personality, interests, intellect, and so on.

Its called Charisma.

Well, looks help a lot. But attraction is more than, and different from "beauty". I've looked at plenty of people who I consider handsome, but not attractive.
If certain physical criteria are met, you throw in things like how they move, the sound of their voice, and how they talk, it can mean instant strong attraction. Charisma adds a bit of what they say (and falls a little bit into some of the former points).
And if that happens at the right moment, it can become instant infatuation. I haven't experienced that myself (only with a slow burn), but I can totally see how that can actually happen.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Gyrre on 04 Nov 2020, 02:03
And here I was thinking Brun might be ace.
I wonder what kind of guy she'd go for.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: citizenfive on 04 Nov 2020, 04:04
And here I was thinking Brun might be ace.
I wonder what kind of guy she'd go for.

You can enjoy porn while still being ace! Brun reads as autochorissexual/aegosexual (https://sexuality.fandom.com/wiki/Anegosexuality) to me here. I'm also aego and Brun's response here makes a ton of sense.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: FreshScrod on 04 Nov 2020, 05:10
I think there's a whole-lotta word soup that just confuses the hell outta me. There's alotta different complex orientations/identities that hasty words really don't do justice. I wish people would look at what's there. We know Brun isn't aroused at the idea of having sex (at least with dudes, but who-knows if there's anything there about non-dudes). We know that Brun is aroused at the idea of Clinton & Elliot doing-it. (And I'm wondering if she's imagining the same acts I am, hummina-haa.)
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Zebediah on 04 Nov 2020, 05:21
We may have a couple of clues about Brun’s sexuality. She seemed to enjoy spending time with Millefeuille. And in retrospect, she warmed up to Claire pretty quickly. So it’s possible that she feels more drawn to women (including female-presenting robots) than to men. Or at least she’s more comfortable hanging out with them.

That’s admittedly not a lot of data, so in the spirit of the moment I am rating this Too Early to Call.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: alanari on 04 Nov 2020, 06:37
Well, there are demisexuals, who require some kind of emotional connection to feel sexual attraction, so there definitely are people who need time to find someone attractive. I personally require trust, which can take even longer.

That Brun/Clinton/Elliot thing.. Rationally speaking, Brun is right. The thing is, emotions usually don't care about rationality. And being irrational doesn't make them invalid. The decision of whether Clintons behaviour needs an apology should be Elliot's to make. I'm pretty sure it can be fixed with an honest conversation and an apology though.

Brun being brutally open about her thoughts is pretty much Brun being Brun and probably comes with her being autistic. Non-autistic people often only like open honesty until someone actually is openly honest. Elliot doesn't seem to have a problem with that. We'll see about Clinton.

Edit fixed typo
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Case on 04 Nov 2020, 08:33
Mmmmm, yeah no. I understand about complicated levels of attraction like emotional, intellectual attraction etc. Sure. But raw, physical attraction? That's chemical. As in, pheromones. It's either there or it isn't. Because science.

Don't you think the growth of the pron industry over the last decades put your hypothesis into question?

Also: Citation needed. Because Science.

Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Christophelous on 04 Nov 2020, 09:39
We may have a couple of clues about Brun’s sexuality. She seemed to enjoy spending time with Millefeuille. And in retrospect, she warmed up to Claire pretty quickly. So it’s possible that she feels more drawn to women (including female-presenting robots) than to men. Or at least she’s more comfortable hanging out with them.

That’s admittedly not a lot of data, so in the spirit of the moment I am rating this Too Early to Call.

Her warming up to Claire quickly has always seemed linked to their shared sense of humor. Can't base a relationship on puns alone. Also, her oldest friend being Renee is another data point, though I'm not sure if that indicates sexual preference or just general comfort with women.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Kiloku on 04 Nov 2020, 10:21
I know this is not what's being hinted at or the path the comic is taking, but this strip made me picture Brun, Elliot and Clinton as a poly triad where she mostly watches (similar to the Lito/Hernando/Daniela dynamic in Sense8) rather than participate and they live together lovingly.

Maybe I'm just wishful for poly representation
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Penquin47 on 04 Nov 2020, 13:43
I would love to see that.  I'm definitely reading Brun as falling somewhere on the ace spectrum, which is kind of unfortunate, because all too often autistic characters are portrayed as asexual *because* they're autistic.  Jeph has shown enough that I'm perfectly happy to give him the benefit of the doubt, but it would still be nice to see Brun in a relationship like the one you describe.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Thrillho on 04 Nov 2020, 16:14
I have to say I will be very surprised if Jeph mishandled that.

He and I do not have much direct interaction, but I am autistic and have seen nothing from him that suggests he'd have that kind of blind spot.

I can assure you I would note it if it turned out he did.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Farideh on 04 Nov 2020, 18:36
New comic.

The comics are quite amusing this week. It's like Jeph read the previous WCDT and decided to explain his reasoning (which might actually be the case, AFAIK).
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: shanejayell on 04 Nov 2020, 18:43
I love Brun's reaction to the threesome suggestion: "Blerg!"

Even tho I shipped it. Anyway...
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: DaiJB on 04 Nov 2020, 19:25
Love the knee-jerk "Blegh"  :laugh: 
Mental imagery is a big thing with Brun, isn't it?
Wonder if she responds that way to other mental images? :
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: MrNumbers on 04 Nov 2020, 19:40
Thank you, Brun, very cool.

Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Gyrre on 04 Nov 2020, 20:10
Mmmmm, yeah no. I understand about complicated levels of attraction like emotional, intellectual attraction etc. Sure. But raw, physical attraction? That's chemical. As in, pheromones. It's either there or it isn't. Because science.

Sorry, just internal hormones for us humans. We don't produce sex pheromones.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Oenone on 04 Nov 2020, 21:26
I honestly see that type of affectionate voyeurism being more likely to emerge between Renee and Brun, if Renee could ever break free of mom-mode enough to relax. It just seems like Brun is happiest when she’s able to relax and be herself and it doesn’t seem like she’s experienced dating as a place where that happens.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Gnabberwocky on 04 Nov 2020, 21:33
It would simplify things if she were attracted to both of them. It would complicate things if she were attracted to one of them.

Not saying a poly relationship in that form is inherently bad, but I think it would make things even more uncertain in this specific storyline.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Case on 05 Nov 2020, 12:12
The comics are quite amusing this week. It's like Jeph read the previous WCDT and decided to explain his reasoning (which might actually be the case, AFAIK).

The alternative explanation would be that the WCDT has adapted to Jeph's style of storytelling over a decade of going over his every comic with a magnifying glass ...  :wink:
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Farideh on 05 Nov 2020, 16:41
Surely not 😁
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: shanejayell on 05 Nov 2020, 18:34
New comic up.

If a robot has only been in it's body a few years, do they need to be IDed for a bar? Or no?
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Christophelous on 05 Nov 2020, 18:40
Clearly a robot's human equivalent age (HEA) is determined algorithmically based on how much of their job involves bugs. This is why Melon isn't able to go to bars
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: DSL on 05 Nov 2020, 19:43
New comic.

The comics are quite amusing this week. It's like Jeph read the previous WCDT and decided to explain his reasoning (which might actually be the case, AFAIK).

Unless Jeph's attitude toward this forum has changed in the last few years, any in-comic reaction to it is more likely to be in the form of a ****-you than any kind of accommodation. The mods periodically assure us that Jeph has as little to do with the forum as possible. Given previous phases of it, and my own experiences with "discussion forums" at my old newspaper job, I understand completely.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Farideh on 05 Nov 2020, 20:11
Huh.

This comic seemed a bit... flat, to me. Not sure why. Guess I was hoping for something more to start off the weekend with?
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Gyrre on 05 Nov 2020, 20:30
Huh.

This comic seemed a bit... flat, to me. Not sure why. Guess I was hoping for something more to start off the weekend with?

No cliffhanger?
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Farideh on 05 Nov 2020, 20:53
Yeah, that sounds reasonable. I've gotten used to those 😊
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Gnabberwocky on 05 Nov 2020, 23:00
New comic up.

If a robot has only been in it's body a few years, do they need to be IDed for a bar? Or no?
My guess is robots don't need to be ID'd at all. The reason there's an age limit on minors drinking is because it can damage brain development, lead to alcohol dependence, and cause early liver damage (various sources). Because AIs lack a human brain, don't use alcohol, and don't have livers, there's no need to restrict minimum Drinkr age.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: BenRG on 05 Nov 2020, 23:25
Well, that's a traditional QC arc ender with Jeph drawing attention to the fact that no-one in real life delivers exposition or engages in wacky friendship hijinksTM over several minutes at work because there's a queue forming!

I've got to be honest here: I have not been enjoying QC as much as I used for for a while and, since this arc started, it's got a lot worse. The strip has felt like it's lost its momentum and that Jeph has been struggling to find a new focus since as far back as Faye and Bubbles getting together. Like a lot of writers, he's been able to find a few new ideas (most notably Roko's dysphoria and May's more overtly political body issues but there are other interesting ones too). However, for some reason has not been able to really work with them consistently or, perhaps, just doesn't have the heart to make any of his characters suffer through it for too long.

Now we have this characterisation- and chemistry-free plastic and one-dimensional Elliot/Clinton ship that is so arbitrary that Jeph had to have the characters stand on the panel and explain to the readers in exposition style why everything we thought we'd seen them think and feel was wrong and do so for two weeks.

So, yeah... I guess what I'm saying is that I'm going to give the strip until the next time my Patreon renews and, if things don't really improve, I'll probably quit. Sorry about that.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Gyrre on 05 Nov 2020, 23:53
2020's been one hell of a decade packed into a single year. It could be that taking its toll on Jeph. Everybody's exhausted in North America. Some more than others. The bar's been set pretty low, so here's hoping 2021 can clear it and be at least marginally better if not substantially so.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Farideh on 06 Nov 2020, 00:36
Like with every artist, the quality of the art waxes and wanes over time. 'Quality', of course, being highly subjective. What appeals to one person doesn't necessarily work for someone else.

And yes, 2020 has been one <bleep> of a year. I can imagine that taking its toll on Jeph.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Cypher on 06 Nov 2020, 02:54
Now we have this characterisation- and chemistry-free plastic and one-dimensional Elliot/Clinton ship that is so arbitrary that Jeph had to have the characters stand on the panel and explain to the readers in exposition style why everything we thought we'd seen them think and feel was wrong and do so for two weeks.

This is basically exactly how I feel about this, thanks for articulating it.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Kairi on 06 Nov 2020, 03:05
just gonna... slide back in here and add a voice for continuing to love the arc. I think bringing back the burrito place employees is adorable and made me laugh. I can just picture the one first in line with lit-up eyes, haha.

Brun is my hero. I adore her and want more. And the exposition? Sure, maybe irl people would be more likely to communicate such text walls in written form. But I am enthralled and entertained and *inspired* by the possibility of so much great spoken communication between friends. (the unfortunate timing of said conversation here being, of course, excellent intentional comedy.) lovin it <3
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 06 Nov 2020, 10:30
Elliot takes consideration to a fault.

Elliot/Clinton is a setup to show that each is open to a relationship. Just not with each other. (Wonder how Roko's bread-making apprenticeship is going.)

We need a better nickname for tall blue and snarky.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Gnabberwocky on 06 Nov 2020, 10:31
Elliot takes consideration to a fault.

We need a better nickname for tall blue and snarky.

TBS
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: Zebediah on 06 Nov 2020, 11:26
Elliot takes consideration to a fault.

We need a better nickname for tall blue and snarky.

TBS
Tibs?
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: jesslc on 07 Nov 2020, 04:19
just gonna... slide back in here and add a voice for continuing to love the arc. I think bringing back the burrito place employees is adorable and made me laugh. I can just picture the one first in line with lit-up eyes, haha.

Brun is my hero. I adore her and want more. And the exposition? Sure, maybe irl people would be more likely to communicate such text walls in written form. But I am enthralled and entertained and *inspired* by the possibility of so much great spoken communication between friends. (the unfortunate timing of said conversation here being, of course, excellent intentional comedy.) lovin it <3
You're not alone! I'm also enjoying this arc and I adore Brun too. It seems like there are quite a lot of people who haven't been enjoying it, so it's nice to hear from someone who is.   :-D

Personally I don't really get the complaints about characterization. Other people obviously have different opinions and that's cool, but neither Elliot nor Clinton have seemed out of character to me.   

I hope we get names for the burrito shop people soon. They've being having an increasing number of cameos lately and I'm wondering if perhaps the burrito shop might be the next location to become a regular part of the comic.
Title: Re: WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)
Post by: ihaveavoice on 09 Nov 2020, 07:59
I'm not seeing Clinton and Elliot acting chemistry-less or plastic. They seem the same to me as any other pair of people in this comic that has flirted with, self-sabotaged in front of, etc. each other, and talking things out with a friend is a time-honored QC tradition that ought to be common practice everywhere. They're also almost always really articulate about what they're feeling.