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Title: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Gyrre on 08 Nov 2020, 04:44
As tempting as it was to make the poll political, we've already got a subforum for that.
'Hurray for voting and counting' is what I'll limit myself to.

Anyways, now that Tuesday is finally over, I don't recall ever seeing this poll done and I thought it'd be interesting. If it's been done before, I suspect it's been long enough to need an upgrade.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Gyrre on 08 Nov 2020, 04:45
Honestly, I'm undecided as to the poll.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: TorporChambre on 08 Nov 2020, 06:02
Newfriend's first dog. Azuma unwittingly by a new prototype turned me into, after long theoretical discussions, after days homeless because jobless, because I'm too theoretical. Came to Northampton to visit 5-school consortium, but driver left me.
Found their gray eminence, saw one leave one way, another enter another. Curious, followed, insisted myself to them. Why they started an apartment more than charge pods. They remain unwitting why other their dogs can't complex requests.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Gyrre on 08 Nov 2020, 07:04
Hmmmmmmmmm..........argh!
This is a tough choice! While I'd like to see more representation for my body type (short with a large frame), being a low-fidelity anthromimetic AI could also be fun.

Damn my principles! I want to see the poll results but I haven't voted yet :gonk:
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Zebediah on 08 Nov 2020, 08:30
Some years ago I came to the conclusion that I am, in fact, human, and furthermore that I wish to remain so. Therefore if any cameo is to be "me", that cameo must be human.

Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: BenRG on 08 Nov 2020, 08:56
I've long wished to be the guy sitting in seat towards the back of The Secret Bakery, Coffee of Doom or The Horrible Revelation, nursing one drink for a few hours and observing everything before making a vague attempt at a witty quip and making a discreet departure. Just a passer-by.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: N.N. Marf on 08 Nov 2020, 12:15
A series of glitches in the taglines.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: chris73 on 08 Nov 2020, 13:32
Not sure how I'm feeling about this character (Burrito girl) , she seems to have more than a passing interest in other peoples private conversations.

I mean yeah I get that Eliots having these conversations in public so no right to privacy but like in the first appearance of Burrito girl shes actively leaning forward to hear whats being said..I dunno maybe its just me (probably just me) but it feels like shes treating Eliots conversations like its some cute entertainment and not as it actually is, that is Eliot being highly embarrassed and awkward and not something he'd like other people to know, particularly other people he doesn't know

Or I'm completely wrong
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Penquin47 on 08 Nov 2020, 16:30
I picked Clinton drink more water, because I don't care what kind of body I have, I want to tell the characters the easy and obvious advice to make their lives better that I can see from out here that they can't because they're in it.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Farideh on 08 Nov 2020, 17:08
I'd like to be a toaster for a day.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Reaver on 08 Nov 2020, 18:19
Not sure how I'm feeling about this character (Burrito girl) , she seems to have more than a passing interest in other peoples private conversations.

I mean yeah I get that Eliots having these conversations in public so no right to privacy but like in the first appearance of Burrito girl shes actively leaning forward to hear whats being said..I dunno maybe its just me (probably just me) but it feels like shes treating Eliots conversations like its some cute entertainment and not as it actually is, that is Eliot being highly embarrassed and awkward and not something he'd like other people to know, particularly other people he doesn't know

Or I'm completely wrong

She was actively listening in when Clinton and Elliot were at her place of work too, she needs to back off.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: zisraelsen on 08 Nov 2020, 18:21
Comic!

Renee seems unfairly combative to Dan here. Considering past experiences, it makes sense, but still. Give the guy a chance to be an asshole before you treat him like he's one.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Farideh on 08 Nov 2020, 18:44
Hello Renee and The-Person-Formerly-Known-As-Shitty-Dan!

I didn't read Renee's comment as being particularly combative, but more of a mix between a joke and a warning.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Gyrre on 08 Nov 2020, 18:46
Comic!

Renee seems unfairly combative to Dan here. Considering past experiences, it makes sense, but still. Give the guy a chance to be an asshole before you treat him like he's one.
She has stated her chronic self-sabotage. It could be a mix of that and a 'I like you , please don't blow this' sort of thing.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Stoon on 08 Nov 2020, 19:09
What's a "Renegade playthrough?"
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: LilShortstuf on 08 Nov 2020, 19:48
What's a "Renegade playthrough?"

Morally bad side of things options in the Mass Effect games
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: shanejayell on 08 Nov 2020, 20:03
Deliberately picking bad guy options, generally.

Hi Dan!
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: DaiJB on 08 Nov 2020, 20:23
I put "other" (what a shock
I would want to be human - but a weird Northampton human, like Fairygirl or Dolphin Jack or Vespavenger or Jimbo...
You know - the sort of person who would make Marten or Hanners say "This f****** town"  :-D
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Gyrre on 08 Nov 2020, 21:37
I caved and went human.

You don't really se a lot of short, stocky, broad-shouldered guys in the 5'5" (165cm), 220lbs (99.8kg) range in drawn media.

It's funny, one of my QA coworkers is the same height as me yet I'm more than twice his weight because he's got a petite frame vs my large frame. My forearms are the same size as his calves. We both hate clothes shopping for inverted reasons. I'd happily take too baggy over too long  any day of the week.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Dolphin Jack on 08 Nov 2020, 21:41
I put "other" (what a shock
I would want to be human - but a weird Northampton human, like Fairygirl or Dolphin Jack or Vespavenger or Jimbo...
You know - the sort of person who would make Marten or Hanners say "This f****** town"  :-D
:-D
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Gnabberwocky on 08 Nov 2020, 21:54
HI BARRY
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Penquin47 on 08 Nov 2020, 22:20
Renegade isn't necessarily *evil*, exactly.  It's a shoot first, human-centric, "whatever it takes" mentality, as opposed to the paragon diplomatic, obviously not pacifist but shooting is more of a last resort, "there are lines we don't cross no matter what" mentality.  (Example: people love Buzz Aldrin for punching the reporter who was harassing him and his daughter about the moon landings being faked, and nearly every player I've talked to snaps and punches the annoying reporter who deliberately paints the main character in the absolute worst possible light at some point in playthroughs.  Clearly a renegade option, but not one I would consider evil.)

Which is more evil: unleashing a race of insectoid aliens that had terrorized the galaxy and the galaxy had banded together to eliminate once before, at great cost, on the word of a queen promising that they would behave themselves, no, for real this time; or killing the queen and the surviving children to prevent them from destroying everything?  Leaving them trapped where they are is not an option because plot reasons.  You get a lot of choices where there are valid arguments on both sides, and which one is right depends on whether you believe that the ends justify the means or there are certain things that can never be justified.

Of course, a lot of times, renegade options are an excuse to play Shepard as an asshole.  So there is that.

(Worth noting that Saturday was N7 Day, an annual celebration for Mass Effect fans, and this went up on Patreon Saturday.)
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Dolphin Jack on 08 Nov 2020, 22:23
I'm choose appliance because I liking to working but les speech. Probly "disimbodying" AI or heavy farm impliment.
HI BARRY
HI! ^v^ Beeing good hellthy! All most losing the pasword! D-,: Good beeing this agan!
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Torlek on 08 Nov 2020, 22:53
Renegade isn't necessarily *evil*, exactly.  It's a shoot first, human-centric, "whatever it takes" mentality, as opposed to the paragon diplomatic, obviously not pacifist but shooting is more of a last resort, "there are lines we don't cross no matter what" mentality.  (Example: people love Buzz Aldrin for punching the reporter who was harassing him and his daughter about the moon landings being faked, and nearly every player I've talked to snaps and punches the annoying reporter who deliberately paints the main character in the absolute worst possible light at some point in playthroughs.  Clearly a renegade option, but not one I would consider evil.)

I always characterize Renegade runs in ME as very-selfish chaotic neutral. To a casual observer, most of asshole-Shepard's actions will appear evil. But inflicting harm or suffering usually isn't the purpose, it's just the quickest way to get what asshole-Shepard wants.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: BenRG on 08 Nov 2020, 23:27
Well, I'm glad that my ability to predict events in this strip isn't entirely dead. No "I'm dropping everything and moving out here to be with you" but I guess it is early days and Dan has more roots to impede an impulse move than Veronica ever did.

It does sort of say lots of things about the general quality of Renee's hook-ups that she's so cynical about Dan's reaction to Brun. I can see why she's sort of given up on the idea of finding someone who sees her as anything other than a one-off sex object, so I expect her to remain cynical and frightened of being hurt by Dan turning out to be like the rest of them for a long while yet.

I wonder if the dining room table is still covered with MtG paraphernalia that got scattered when Renee and Dan jumped each other?

Meanwhile, I'm wondering if Dan's personality is Jeph's 'gamer nerd' side?
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: dawolf on 09 Nov 2020, 00:11
As I recall before, the guy Renee hooked up with was arguably just chatting with Brun, but Renee took it as flirting.

So I assume whatever this guy says, she's going to accuse him of flirting. She has trust issues and it'll come out now.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Gargoylezoo on 09 Nov 2020, 00:29
Goddamn it, Clinton, you stupid twink. What the fuck were you thinking about?
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: TinPenguin on 09 Nov 2020, 01:12
As I recall before, the guy Renee hooked up with was arguably just chatting with Brun, but Renee took it as flirting.

So I assume whatever this guy says, she's going to accuse him of flirting. She has trust issues and it'll come out now.

I had only vaguely recalled the incident Renee is referencing, but having found it (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3935), it's not entirely her projection.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: dawolf on 09 Nov 2020, 01:26
As I recall before, the guy Renee hooked up with was arguably just chatting with Brun, but Renee took it as flirting.

So I assume whatever this guy says, she's going to accuse him of flirting. She has trust issues and it'll come out now.

I had only vaguely recalled the incident Renee is referencing, but having found it (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3935), it's not entirely her projection.

Really? Asking someone's ethnicity is considered flirting?
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: BenRG on 09 Nov 2020, 01:31
As I recall before, the guy Renee hooked up with was arguably just chatting with Brun, but Renee took it as flirting.

So I assume whatever this guy says, she's going to accuse him of flirting. She has trust issues and it'll come out now.

I had only vaguely recalled the incident Renee is referencing, but having found it (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3935), it's not entirely her projection.

Really? Asking someone's ethnicity is considered flirting?

Doing so whilst flexing half-naked can best be interpreted as an incredibly lame attempt at a pick-up line. Dan, at least, is enough of a nerd that, if he were to try that, it would be impossible to take seriously, especially if he tries to compare her to Lt Ashley Williams.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: TinPenguin on 09 Nov 2020, 01:35
Linked the wrong comic. The preceding one (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3934) is more overt and puts the following behaviour in a different light.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Gyrre on 09 Nov 2020, 07:14
As I recall before, the guy Renee hooked up with was arguably just chatting with Brun, but Renee took it as flirting.

So I assume whatever this guy says, she's going to accuse him of flirting. She has trust issues and it'll come out now.

Seems he was also oggling her and thinking of things in a mindset from 70 years ago.

EDIT: removing extraneous 'the'. Past time for bed. G'night.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: ihaveavoice on 09 Nov 2020, 07:42
I'd also say that the look on his face makes it clear the tone he's using, and that use of exotic = sexualizing someone's ethnicity even if you're not actively hitting on them, which...no. Stop. Just don't ever call people exotic as if they are birds or plants. And asking someone "where they're from...ethnically" in the first place? Dude was gross. Renee has shown that she totally does have trust issues, but those are not why she told that fucker to leave.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: snubnose on 09 Nov 2020, 08:36
Still no May !!! *protest*



Some years ago I came to the conclusion that I am, in fact, human, and furthermore that I wish to remain so. Therefore if any cameo is to be "me", that cameo must be human.
For the exact same reason I always play Darkelf in video games, whenever thats an option. :-D

(Just joking, I play all kinds of races ... even sometimes human)
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Zebediah on 09 Nov 2020, 08:37
As I said at the time, the dude's use of "Exotic!" had strong overtones of "Lebanese? There's a notch I don't have in my belt yet!" It was obvious to me and clearly Renee interpreted it the same way.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Gus_Smedstad on 09 Nov 2020, 10:29
I always characterize Renegade runs in ME as very-selfish chaotic neutral. To a casual observer, most of asshole-Shepard's actions will appear evil. But inflicting harm or suffering usually isn't the purpose, it's just the quickest way to get what asshole-Shepard wants.

I agree with this, but it's a bit sabotaged by poor writing. Asshole Shepard is frequently an asshole for no reason. Sometimes he's an asshole when being an asshole works against his own best interests. He can't manage greasy, dishonest politeness even when that's what will do the job, because the writer can't imagine anything more sophisticated than being an obvious asshole.

I don't do Renegade playthroughs in most games. I did dip my toe in it in Fallout 3 and Fallout 4, in that I completed some of the evil quests in order to experience the content, but there are some lines I won't cross. Like blowing up Megaton, I'm never going to do that.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: chris73 on 09 Nov 2020, 12:00
Gee Renee if you had bad experiences with internet hook ups and one night stands then maybe try not having internet hook ups and one night stands

Seriously though what exactly was she thinking would happen with these guys?
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Gnabberwocky on 09 Nov 2020, 12:38
She was thinking they'd be decent human beings--and from what we know, it seems like many were (Shaun/Florida Birthmark)--because there's no reason for her to expect that someone she's never met is guaranteed to be an asshole.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: chris73 on 09 Nov 2020, 14:19
She was thinking they'd be decent human beings--and from what we know, it seems like many were (Shaun/Florida Birthmark)--because there's no reason for her to expect that someone she's never met is guaranteed to be an asshole.

I've got nothing against hook ups and one night stands (and I was always appreciative because I'd always want more) but when you hook up with a guy that is specifically after sex then don't be surprised or disappointed when that same guy hits on your roommate because they want more sex

Yeah it'd be nice if they weren't like that but you're kidding yourself if you expect your tinder hook up is always going to be a good guy

No citation but I'm guessing that the percentage of douche bag guys on Tinder is greater than the percentage not Tinder
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Thrillho on 09 Nov 2020, 14:34
Those are some broad-ass strokes, Chris.


Removing that the internet has been a part of how loads of people socialise for decades now so that kind of assessment is getting increasingly passé, am I correct in understanding that what you are saying is that people who hook up with people they meet on the internet, or have one night stands, should expect - or perhaps are asking for - mistreatment from the person they have met?

Is any guy who is only interested in sex on a one-off occasion a douche by default? This is an impossible thing to achieve without such?
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: chris73 on 09 Nov 2020, 14:54
Those are some broad-ass strokes, Chris.


Removing that the internet has been a part of how loads of people socialise for decades now so that kind of assessment is getting increasingly passé, am I correct in understanding that what you are saying is that people who hook up with people they meet on the internet, or have one night stands, should expect - or perhaps are asking for - mistreatment from the person they have met?

Is any guy who is only interested in sex on a one-off occasion a douche by default? This is an impossible thing to achieve without such?

Its something like 50 million people (and probably higher)  using Tinder so of course its going to be broad.

I'm saying "I'm guessing that the percentage of douche bag guys on Tinder is greater than the percentage not on Tinder" so not all guys are douches but a higher percentage of douches use Tinder
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Thrillho on 09 Nov 2020, 15:09
Meh.

I see no reason why men on Tinder would be worse than men anywhere else.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Oenone on 09 Nov 2020, 15:13
Honestly, I’ve met more douches in bars/ at sci if conventions than on Tinder. Something about assuming they’re socially superior or morally better than netizens, no doubt.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Thrillho on 09 Nov 2020, 15:20
I've been the douches in bars at nerdy shit.

Douches are douches wherever you find them, the internet is just faster and cheaper.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Oenone on 09 Nov 2020, 18:48
This is a really good moment of characterization for Renee and Dan.

For Renee:
Unlike Faye, when you listen to the content of her more acerbic comments, they reflect really fucked up experiences. Like, yeah, this is combative, but it’s also very revealing of some deep wounds she’s probably had to hide from Brun. It makes that scene earlier where the Brun/underwear situation very clearly part of a pattern, and one where she’s had to be the “mom friend” by both protecting Brun from sketchy ppl and deliberately not been angry at Brun for not getting that pants might be appreciated when hook ups are over. It’s also an interesting revisit of that strip where Dora was angry about Faye getting comforted by Marten while in her underwear, which is a nice way of differentiating Renee from Faye.

For Dan:
He’s mentally healthy enough that someone revealing something personal and revelatory of some ugly experiences results in him saying “what the fuck?” And sympathizing, instead of snarking back. He might be a genuinely nice person.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: MrNumbers on 09 Nov 2020, 19:09
Hey now, it's not every day you get to see a harpoon that used to be a shotgun!
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: shanejayell on 09 Nov 2020, 19:16
New comic!

"Can I see your harpoon? In a non-sexual way."
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Sorflakne on 09 Nov 2020, 19:20
Hmm, despite what she said after her mental evaluation of them in bed, is Brun put off that Elliot never made his feelings for her known?
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 09 Nov 2020, 20:53
She was thinking they'd be decent human beings--and from what we know, it seems like many were (Shaun/Florida Birthmark)--because there's no reason for her to expect that someone she's never met is guaranteed to be an asshole.

I've got nothing against hook ups and one night stands (and I was always appreciative because I'd always want more) but when you hook up with a guy that is specifically after sex then don't be surprised or disappointed when that same guy hits on your roommate because they want more sex

Yeah it'd be nice if they weren't like that but you're kidding yourself if you expect your tinder hook up is always going to be a good guy

No citation but I'm guessing that the percentage of douche bag guys on Tinder is greater than the percentage not Tinder

Unless you're a master philosopher, surprise and disappointment are in order when someone pulls a dick move. The only way not to be surprised is to expect jerkitude or to have no expectations. The only way not to be disappointed is not to hold other people to any standards.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Farideh on 09 Nov 2020, 20:58
I like how Brun defers to Renee when it comes to 'peaceful introduction to her harpoon' (which sounds like a double entendre, now that I write it down).
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: jesslc on 09 Nov 2020, 21:04
Hmm, despite what she said after her mental evaluation of them in bed, is Brun put off that Elliot never made his feelings for her known?
I think Brun's a bit grumpy because she had to deal with two men telling her about their (unreciprocated) attraction to her while she was at work.

In my experience as a woman, having to have a conversation with a guy about his unreciprocated attraction for you is typically an uncomfortable experience. Not always - occasionally it's totally fine - but more often than not, it's been pretty uncomfortable. And it's one of the last things I would want to have to deal with in a work environment.

Also, while both such conversations both went fairly well (in my opinion - and that's not the same as totally fine) and both Clinton and Elliot assured her that they would both continue to be friends, if I were in Brun's position I would still be wondering "so are things going to be uncomfortable between me and Clinton/Elliot in future?". In my experience, guys frequently say that it's fine (that I just want to be friends) but then their future behaviour shows that it isn't fine. Brun made a few comments earlier that sounds like she's had similar unpleasant experiences so I feel pretty sure that this is what's weighing on her. And doubly so since she had to deal with it twice in one evening.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: awkwardness on 09 Nov 2020, 21:21
..l really want to see Brun use her harpoon now, even if it's only to scare the crap out of someone.

Then again, I don't want any of the cast to be hurt- so it's a Catch-22
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: snufflebottoms on 09 Nov 2020, 21:34
Hmm, despite what she said after her mental evaluation of them in bed, is Brun put off that Elliot never made his feelings for her known?
I think Brun's a bit grumpy because she had to deal with two men telling her about their (unreciprocated) attraction to her while she was at work.

I think this is the most obvious explanation but the next comic might reveal that something unrelated and much worse happened or perhaps another person hit on her after Elliot and it was much worse.... and so on. 

Or maybe (unlikely given her character's previous blunt honestly but it would add some dynamic that I think would be interesting) she lied about being attracted to no one and is in fact attracted to Elliot (or less likely Clinton). I think Elliot is more likely b/c she could very well think telling Clinton she likes someone else after Clinton expressed interest is a social faux pas from past experience or Renee told her not to do that or b/c Renee likes him and may have told her or the whole never date your coworkers thing.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Christophelous on 09 Nov 2020, 21:55

Or maybe (unlikely given her character's previous blunt honestly but it would add some dynamic that I think would be interesting) she lied about being attracted to no one...

Can't see Brun lying, especially not to people she trusts. Plus, a lot of her reactions were knee jerk. She's probably just generally tired because dealing with emotional stuff is hard for her.

Also, call back to two previous conversations in here, look who appears shortly after Renee kicks out the creepy hookup dude!
https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3943
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: snufflebottoms on 09 Nov 2020, 22:25

Or maybe (unlikely given her character's previous blunt honestly but it would add some dynamic that I think would be interesting) she lied about being attracted to no one...

Can't see Brun lying, especially not to people she trusts. Plus, a lot of her reactions were knee jerk. She's probably just generally tired because dealing with emotional stuff is hard for her.

Also, call back to two previous conversations in here, look who appears shortly after Renee kicks out the creepy hookup dude!
https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3943

Yeah I don't think it's the most likely situation but I'd argue it's still in character if she is following one of the thought processes I mentioned.

It could even have been shitty for her if she knows/recalls enough about the Elliot-Renee situation (also might explain where she got the let's imagine sex as a bench mark for attraction since it's a less invasive version of "take your shirt off so I can oogle you to see what it's about"). She may or may not relate to Renee being hurt by her crush liking her friend but it's probably been explained to her (by Renee no less, perhaps in context of Elliot or racist internet hook-up) that someone you like liking/hitting on your friend is hurtful and from there she can put two and two together (perhaps later in the evening).

While I think a lot of women (myself included) loath being hit on in a work situation, I'd imagine Brun would be more upset by the complicated social dynamic (with or without the Renee factor) and would take a "meh, used to much worse at the last job. no harpoon was needed" to this particular set of events. 
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Penquin47 on 09 Nov 2020, 22:32
..l really want to see Brun use her harpoon now, even if it's only to scare the crap out of someone.

Then again, I don't want any of the cast to be hurt- so it's a Catch-22

May I suggest Beatrice Chatham?
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Gyrre on 09 Nov 2020, 23:42
..l really want to see Brun use her harpoon now, even if it's only to scare the crap out of someone.

Then again, I don't want any of the cast to be hurt- so it's a Catch-22

May I suggest Beatrice Chatham?
"I like the bar's current owner."
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: BenRG on 10 Nov 2020, 00:07
I think that this whole thing with Elliot and Clinton has hit Brun a lot harder than she's let on to either man, probably afraid that it will impact on their friendships. However, Renee can tell that she's upset and it's lovely that Brun is obviously biting her tongue not to ruin Renee's night.

Also, it is clear that Dan is into esoteric melee weapons. I wonder what will happen if he meets Dale? Possibly madness and cosplay.

BRUN: "How could Dan see my harpoon in a 'not hitting on you way'?"

RENEE: "I'm not sure, honey. What's more I'm not sure that I want to know!"

Hmm, despite what she said after her mental evaluation of them in bed, is Brun put off that Elliot never made his feelings for her known?

I suspect that it's more a frustration that she'd never picked up on either man's attraction to her. That said, yes, in Brun's world, you say what you're thinking if only for politeness and clarity's sakes.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Cornelius on 10 Nov 2020, 00:09
..l really want to see Brun use her harpoon now, even if it's only to scare the crap out of someone.

Then again, I don't want any of the cast to be hurt- so it's a Catch-22

May I suggest Beatrice Chatham?
"I like the bar's current owner."

Or even: "I like the bar."
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Reaver on 10 Nov 2020, 00:47
I mean I feel for Brun over the Clinton interaction but I realllly cant for the Elliot... She promted that conversation and asked him things
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Tova on 10 Nov 2020, 01:35
No-one's pointing out that Renee is accusing Brun of being "grumpy" for being exactly as suspicious as Renee herself was a mere comic ago? No-one?
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Reaver on 10 Nov 2020, 02:05
No-one's pointing out that Renee is accusing Brun of being "grumpy" for being exactly as suspicious as Renee herself was a mere comic ago? No-one?

Now that you mention it..
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Gyrre on 10 Nov 2020, 02:43
I always characterize Renegade runs in ME as very-selfish chaotic neutral. To a casual observer, most of asshole-Shepard's actions will appear evil. But inflicting harm or suffering usually isn't the purpose, it's just the quickest way to get what asshole-Shepard wants.

I agree with this, but it's a bit sabotaged by poor writing. Asshole Shepard is frequently an asshole for no reason. Sometimes he's an asshole when being an asshole works against his own best interests. He can't manage greasy, dishonest politeness even when that's what will do the job, because the writer can't imagine anything more sophisticated than being an obvious asshole.

I don't do Renegade playthroughs in most games. I did dip my toe in it in Fallout 3 and Fallout 4, in that I completed some of the evil quests in order to experience the content, but there are some lines I won't cross. Like blowing up Megaton, I'm never going to do that.

That last bit is why I'm always hesitant to play evil aligned characters in TTRPGs. I know myself well enough to know I choose to 'be soft'. Mind you, I'm less heinous acts evil and more 'the shot that killed JFK came from a storm drain and the other two were distractions because that's what I'd have done' kind of evil.
[No, I didn't kill JFK I'm 23 years too young to have done that.]

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Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Oenone on 10 Nov 2020, 03:42
I mean I feel for Brun over the Clinton interaction but I realllly cant for the Elliot... She promted that conversation and asked him things

Ehhh even if I prompted a necessary emotional conversation doesn’t mean I enjoyed it or it wasn’t tiring. It just means having it now will stave off drama later. *stares in middle school teacher*
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: N.N. Marf on 10 Nov 2020, 05:52
Gyrre, sweetie, baby, honey, darling please.. Kennedy shot first. (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy_assassination_conspiracy_theory)
Unless you're a master philosopher, surprise and disappointment are in order when someone pulls a dick move. The only way not to be surprised is to expect jerkitude or to have no expectations. The only way not to be disappointed is not to hold other people to any standards.
I'm honoured and humbled by your accolade, but I disagree. There are many possibilities, from the best to the worst; knowing the worst could happen, I prepare, involving demands of restitution from who caused worse outcomes than were agreed, removing them from my life---except where prohibited---vel similia. One need not therefor be a master philosopher---radical pragmatism suffices. Oh, while were about philosophy:
Sometimes he's an asshole when being an asshole works against his own best interests.
Radical Freedom! (http://existentialcomics.com/comic/172)
Then again, I don't want any of the cast to be hurt- so it's a Catch-22
May I suggest Beatrice Chatham?
Such actions could curtail the possibility of exploring the Chathams' relationship. Furthermore, Beatrice has, likely, a net positive effect on the world---I doubt even temporary incapacitation could do more than placate some her detractors. Nonetheless, it might serve to move Hannelore towards initiating rapprochement. [unfounded allegations of Beatrice's thereto complicity redacted, sponsored by Chatham Industries and readers like you!]
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Reaver on 10 Nov 2020, 07:23
Also IDK, it kinda feels like both Brun and  Renee are being a bit...idk overly hostile to The  Man formerly known as Shitty Dan? Man's been nothing but nice, and Renee still  asks him things like "You ashamed we hooked up?"  x.x
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: BenRG on 10 Nov 2020, 07:28
It's the result of bad experiences, I think.

It's been implied that Renee's had enough trouble with her past hook-ups that she's automatically waiting for the betrayal and heartbreak even though there is no rational reason to expect it. Brun is just being defensive on Renee's behalf. She obviously knows how badly things have gone in the past and is being protective of her best friend.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 10 Nov 2020, 07:38
What Brün has is the head of a harpoon. So, Dan is not getting the shaft.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Case on 10 Nov 2020, 08:10
What Brün has is the head of a harpoon. So, Dan is not getting the shaft.

Limbo class is going fine, I see?
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Roborat on 10 Nov 2020, 12:43
I was leaning towards picking anthroPC, but I went with human, because I have an awesome mustache, and it would just look ridiculous on an anthroPC.  I am glad Brun had those conversations, it helps clear the air plotwise, even if it does sink some ships, and hopefully leads to a better relationship between Elliot and Clinton.  At least there is one less person for Elliot to obsess over.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 10 Nov 2020, 12:58
Goddamn it, Clinton, you stupid twink. What the fuck were you thinking about?

Hello, new person!

Not quite the way we like to do things here.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Akima on 10 Nov 2020, 16:30
I agree with this, but it's a bit sabotaged by poor writing. Asshole Shepard is frequently an asshole for no reason. Sometimes he's an asshole when being an asshole works against his own best interests. He can't manage greasy, dishonest politeness even when that's what will do the job, because the writer can't imagine anything more sophisticated than being an obvious asshole.

I don't do Renegade playthroughs in most games. I did dip my toe in it in Fallout 3 and Fallout 4, in that I completed some of the evil quests in order to experience the content, but there are some lines I won't cross. Like blowing up Megaton, I'm never going to do that.
I can't somehow bring myself to play "dark side" runs either, and certainly the very poor writing is part of it, especially in the early stages where your character is supposed to behave like no more than a petty jerk over trivial issues.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Thrillho on 10 Nov 2020, 16:32
I almost never do an evil playthrough, but I tried one in Fallout 4 and found that the game basically wouldn't let me progress the storyline without  sing nice?
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Tova on 10 Nov 2020, 17:02
Welcome to today's Tropes Trap (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StupidEvil).
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Farideh on 10 Nov 2020, 18:21
Comic's up.

Oh Brun. Human emotions are messy and weird.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: shanejayell on 10 Nov 2020, 18:33
Yup.

Go to bed, Brun. It'll be ... less bad in the morning.
Title: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Zebediah on 10 Nov 2020, 18:44
Yeah, I also have days where emotions are impossible to understand. Then a few days later everything makes more sense. Which itself doesn’t make sense. You’d think that the way my brain works, or fails to work, would be a constant, but no, it’s governed by variables that I don’t understand. The operation of an autistic mind is a mystery even to itself.

I think what I was trying to say before my train of thought derailed is that Brun may feel less overwhelmed by this mess in the morning. Or she may need a few days. But she shouldn’t feel bad about failing to understand the feelings of other people when those people clearly do not understand their feelings themselves.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Oenone on 10 Nov 2020, 19:58
Aw, poor dear. I hope Renee brings her something yummy from the bakery to help with the processing. Everything looks better after sleep, a shower, and a muffin.

I have to admit, I’m suspicious of Dan. He seems really nice... maybe TOO nice.  :psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Gyrre on 10 Nov 2020, 20:46
Apparently I was tired enough this AM that I hallucinated complementing Renee's new hairstyle. Looks good on her.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Gyrre on 10 Nov 2020, 20:50
I was leaning towards picking anthroPC, but I went with human, because I have an awesome mustache, and it would just look ridiculous on an anthroPC.  I am glad Brun had those conversations, it helps clear the air plotwise, even if it does sink some ships, and hopefully leads to a better relationship between Elliot and Clinton.  At least there is one less person for Elliot to obsess over.

I'm honestly kind of surpised nobody's picked low fidelity anthromimetic AI. Beeps and Millie have screen faces, and some of them have those oblong dome ears. Lots of potential customization.

I presume one could still install human 'bits' as it were while retaining the high degree of customization.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Christophelous on 10 Nov 2020, 22:10
Apparently I was tired enough this AM that I hallucinated complementing Renee's new hairstyle. Looks good on her.

Pretty sure that's sex hair.  Absolutely agree with you, too, looks great.

I have to admit, I’m suspicious of Dan. He seems really nice... maybe TOO nice.  :psyduck:

I like him. He's straightforward, communicative, and knows what he likes. Reflects really well on his college transformative years. It's a nice change of pace from the normal communication problems some QC characters tend to suffer from.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: BenRG on 10 Nov 2020, 23:32
There is something about this strip that makes me think that Dan and Renee is going to be a long-term thing. It's panel's 5 and 6 as Dan draw's Renee into a hug. She doesn't resist. Instead she smiles and settles in against him. Her smile when he says that he wants to spend more time with her (which is obviously what she wants to hear). "I could shuffle my schedule to spend more time with you this week" isn't quite "So, I'm thinking of dropping everything and moving out here to be with you" but it has the same implications and I think that Renee's heart has been healed a little by hearing it.

Yes, it seems that Renee and Dan have connected. It will be interesting to see how Jeph plans to handle the 'lives and works elsewhere' bit. Will he hand-wave it away with a plot-convenient contrivance or will he actually write Renee's reaction to a long-distance relationship and deciding whether she wants to move before the plot-convenient contrivance happens?

Meanwhile, I think that today proves that, after thinking about it, Brun realises just how badly shooting down Clinton and Elliot has hurt them both and clearly feels a degree of personal failure because of that. However, in the end, how was she supposed to know about their feelings if they both were trying to get her to try to be telepathic? Saying 'no' to a good friend hurts just as much as having someone say 'no' to you, or so she's learned.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Gyrre on 10 Nov 2020, 23:34
Apparently I was tired enough this AM that I hallucinated complementing Renee's new hairstyle. Looks good on her.

Pretty sure that's sex hair.  Absolutely agree with you, too, looks great.

I have to admit, I’m suspicious of Dan. He seems really nice... maybe TOO nice.  :psyduck:

I like him. He's straightforward, communicative, and knows what he likes. Reflects really well on his college transformative years. It's a nice change of pace from the normal communication problems some QC characters tend to suffer from.
It may be a bit difficult for Renee to adjust to after whatever she's been through, but it'd be good for her. She deserves to have some good luck in the romance  department after such a string of bad luck.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Potato Farmer on 11 Nov 2020, 00:58
The operation of an autistic mind is a mystery even to itself.

I don't think that's a feature unique to the autistic mind.

Funny enough if I were Brun I don't think I would blame Clinton. Clinton's mistakes boil down to violating social norms which Brun doesn't seem to know or care about. In fact I'd give him brownie points for actually asking the important question and trying to be open about it (emphasis on 'trying').
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: BenRG on 11 Nov 2020, 03:56
I think that we are at last seeing the new Main Cast that Jeph is trying to assemble to replace the ones with whom the strip started. All in my opinion but I see it like this:
We'll still see the original cast but only where it connects with this new group's adventures and travails. Possibly we may even have May moving out of Dale's house and becoming the troll-with-a-heart in Renee and Brun's apartment to replace Pintsize.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: hakko504 on 11 Nov 2020, 04:25
IIRC I answered animal-esque in the poll, and after thinking about it a bit more, I think I want to be a tiger, though with enough mods to be able to shift between walking on 4 legs (aka real tiger mode) and standing on hind legs and using front paws to manipulate things (aka human-like mode, think pink panther). Retractable parts where suitable: claws, sharp teeth, male unit for human compatible friendship.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 11 Nov 2020, 07:31
Calling it now:  Renée leaves Northampton to be with Dan. So Brün needs to find a new roommate.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: cybersmurf on 11 Nov 2020, 07:48
There is something about this strip that makes me think that Dan and Renee is going to be a long-term thing. It's panel's 5 and 6 as Dan draw's Renee into a hug. She doesn't resist. Instead she smiles and settles in against him. Her smile when he says that he wants to spend more time with her (which is obviously what she wants to hear). "I could shuffle my schedule to spend more time with you this week" isn't quite "So, I'm thinking of dropping everything and moving out here to be with you" but it has the same implications and I think that Renee's heart has been healed a little by hearing it.

Yes, it seems that Renee and Dan have connected. It will be interesting to see how Jeph plans to handle the 'lives and works elsewhere' bit. Will he hand-wave it away with a plot-convenient contrivance or will he actually write Renee's reaction to a long-distance relationship and deciding whether she wants to move before the plot-convenient contrivance happens?

Meanwhile, I think that today proves that, after thinking about it, Brun realises just how badly shooting down Clinton and Elliot has hurt them both and clearly feels a degree of personal failure because of that. However, in the end, how was she supposed to know about their feelings if they both were trying to get her to try to be telepathic? Saying 'no' to a good friend hurts just as much as having someone say 'no' to you, or so she's learned.

I think Renée likes Dan well enough to explore a possible relationship, and that comes with some relief. Firstly, it's just not another hookup to satisfy certain needs. Secondly, they know each other from school, so getting to know each other has turned into catching up. Which leads to thirdly: Renée probably is much more relaxed now, because Dan knows her, no need to pretend anything.


Clinton asked Brun how she felt about him. If her answer hurt him, it's entirely on him. If it destroys their friendship (which is yet to see), not asking that question wouldn't have changed much, I fear. Brun and Elliot is an entirely different story, because it was forced by a third party. Elliot would always have preferred their friendship. Mostly, Brun needs a bit of time to process all of this, both rationally and emotionally, but I think, in the end, it will work out.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Theta9 on 11 Nov 2020, 07:52
I put "other" (what a shock
I would want to be human - but a weird Northampton human, like ... Dolphin Jack ...

Nobody calls him that, DaiJB.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: zisraelsen on 11 Nov 2020, 08:16
The more Dan shows up, the more I like him! He seems like a good guy.

Also, Brun seems like she would be a pretty good roommate. Sometimes someone who's quiet and keeps to themself is all you want in a housemate.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: jesslc on 11 Nov 2020, 09:26
I really relate to Brun here. Understanding social interactions didn't come naturally to me and I've tried/worked very hard on learning how these things work. After years of practicing, I do pretty well most of the time. But I definitely relate to the frustration of "I try so hard and then [insert something here] - what is the point..." with regards to understanding this stuff.

I'm glad Brun has Renee to be there for her. Renee may have her faults, but she's clearly a great friend to Brun.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: chris73 on 11 Nov 2020, 15:54
Quote
Also IDK, it kinda feels like both Brun and  Renee are being a bit...idk overly hostile to The  Man formerly known as Shitty Dan? Man's been nothing but nice, and Renee still  asks him things like "You ashamed we hooked up?"  x.x

I'm getting Faye/Marten 2 vibes here. Renee has multiple issues that she'll need to work through so she'll probably be combative, snarky, unpleasant etc towards Dan and Dan'll suck it up and accept it because Dans a 'good guy' and Renees a 'good person deep down'

Hopefully I'm wrong and Renee and Dan will go in a different direction

Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Farideh on 11 Nov 2020, 16:48
The more Dan shows up, the more I like him! He seems like a good guy.

Also, Brun seems like she would be a pretty good roommate. Sometimes someone who's quiet and keeps to themself is all you want in a housemate.
And she cooks dinner!
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Gnabberwocky on 11 Nov 2020, 17:52
Quote
Also IDK, it kinda feels like both Brun and  Renee are being a bit...idk overly hostile to The  Man formerly known as Shitty Dan? Man's been nothing but nice, and Renee still  asks him things like "You ashamed we hooked up?"  x.x

I'm getting Faye/Marten 2 vibes here. Renee has multiple issues that she'll need to work through so she'll probably be combative, snarky, unpleasant etc towards Dan and Dan'll suck it up and accept it because Dans a 'good guy' and Renees a 'good person deep down'

Hopefully I'm wrong and Renee and Dan will go in a different direction
That honestly describes Marten/Dora as well, and while they did break up, they lasted for over 1200 strips (longer than Faye/Angus) and remain good friends. Part of that situation is that Marten helped both Dora and Faye get through their respective issues, and all three are better and stronger because of it. Maybe you're right, but I don't know that it would necessarily be a bad thing.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Wombt on 11 Nov 2020, 18:16
Bubbles is a blessing.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Tova on 11 Nov 2020, 18:34
Careful, they may decide they want to interview Bubbles.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Farideh on 11 Nov 2020, 18:34
Careful, they may decide they want to interview Bubbles.

In case the library needs a bodyguard?
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: chris73 on 11 Nov 2020, 18:36
Quote
That honestly describes Marten/Dora as well, and while they did break up, they lasted for over 1200 strips (longer than Faye/Angus) and remain good friends. Part of that situation is that Marten helped both Dora and Faye get through their respective issues, and all three are better and stronger because of it. Maybe you're right, but I don't know that it would necessarily be a bad thing.

On paper its fine but in real life I'm not so sure.
How many years did it take Marten help them both through their issues* and how much mental, physical and emotional abuse did he suffer for it

I'm still a tad surprised that Marten isn't suffering any lingering PTSD from his dealings with both. There were times going back through the pages where I genuinely thought the author hated Marten and wanted him to suffer

What really struck home hard for me was this episode: https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1818 Yes Marten was out of line, yes he shouldn't have said what he said but Faye punching him, like she couldn't control herself just once, she knows what she did to him, shes knows what its like to be drunk so she could have sent him off to his room to sleep it off but no she decks him

So basically if this is a soft reboot of Faye/Marten I hope the author doesn't go to the places he went in the past, keep it fresh is what I'm saying

*I've always liked Dora because she was strong enough to recognize her issues and she knew staying with Marten would have been the easy road but she took the harder, but necessary, path to healing

*Also panel three Faye looks so much like my sister in laws wife its uncanny
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Gnabberwocky on 11 Nov 2020, 18:39
I feel another sonnet coming on...
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Zebediah on 11 Nov 2020, 18:41
Careful, they may decide they want to interview Bubbles.

In case the library needs a bodyguard?
Bubbles: Tactical Librarian
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Tova on 11 Nov 2020, 18:42
Careful, they may decide they want to interview Bubbles.

In case the library needs a bodyguard?

They might these in these dark anti-science, anti-intellectual days.  :meh:

Though hopefully the QC univserse isn't suffering these problems quite so badly.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Farideh on 11 Nov 2020, 18:45
Bubbles defending the library: late fees have never been so intimidating!
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Mordhaus on 11 Nov 2020, 18:51
Scene: Insurgent group is overlooking the remains of the latest soldier she has taken down.

Leader: I thought you said she was just a librarian, this looks like special forces wet work!

Flunky 1: I asked her what she did here, she said she was just a librarian, a lowly, lowly librarian.

Leader: A librarian doesn't do THAT to a man. Find out more, find out what she used to do...
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Tova on 11 Nov 2020, 18:56
Never underestimate a librarian.  :clairedoge:
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Farideh on 11 Nov 2020, 19:06
You'll end up with a head full of archived GeoCities webpages from 2001.

Or birdseed.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: shanejayell on 11 Nov 2020, 19:24
Hey, Bubbles! :D
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Farideh on 11 Nov 2020, 19:26
I feel another sonnet coming on...


Another?
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: awkwardness on 11 Nov 2020, 19:41
Bubbles is the family member who'd do anything for anyone and ensure that they were protected even if it meant destroying enemies beyond humiliation to do so...

From what I know of Special Operations soldiers, that's letting those who wronged Claire off easily.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Gnabberwocky on 11 Nov 2020, 19:46
I feel another sonnet coming on...


Another?
Another. (https://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,34725.msg1450897.html#msg1450897)
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Farideh on 11 Nov 2020, 19:47
I feel another sonnet coming on...


Another?
Another. (https://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,34725.msg1450897.html#msg1450897)


Aha! I'm looking forward to your next one  :D
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Rincewind on 11 Nov 2020, 23:00
Note to self;
Get "Do NOT invade the Library!" tattooed on left forearm.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: BenRG on 11 Nov 2020, 23:20
Okay, I think that we can all agree that Bubbles appreciates Claire a bit more than anyone ever realised prior to this strip! I must now wonder what she'd say if she were asked to provide references for Marten or Hannelore! I guess I'm wondering if massive over-statement to the level where it is lyrical is typical for her or if Claire in particular inspires her.

Now, here's a worrying  thing. Look closely at Bubbles' eyes in panel 4. As she slips further into tactical mode, her eyes have started to glow Terminator red. Might a Terminator call her 'Auntie-B'? :lol:

Might this be the hook for finding out a little about Bubbles' past? Was she a Ranger or something?
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: awkwardness on 11 Nov 2020, 23:22
Note to self;
Get "Do NOT invade the Library!" tattooed on left forearm.

hey when the librarian tells you "QUIET!" they really mean it! S/he has a way of making even the most heavily armed person back down in shame just from them going SHH! :claireface:
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Tova on 11 Nov 2020, 23:54
Okay, I think that we can all agree that Bubbles appreciates Claire a bit more than anyone ever realised prior to this strip!

Well, she does have a Claire Threat Evaluation Protocol (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3564).  :-)
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Oenone on 12 Nov 2020, 04:52
Quote
That honestly describes Marten/Dora as well, and while they did break up, they lasted for over 1200 strips (longer than Faye/Angus) and remain good friends. Part of that situation is that Marten helped both Dora and Faye get through their respective issues, and all three are better and stronger because of it. Maybe you're right, but I don't know that it would necessarily be a bad thing.

On paper its fine but in real life I'm not so sure.
How many years did it take Marten help them both through their issues* and how much mental, physical and emotional abuse did he suffer for it

I'm still a tad surprised that Marten isn't suffering any lingering PTSD from his dealings with both. There were times going back through the pages where I genuinely thought the author hated Marten and wanted him to suffer

What really struck home hard for me was this episode: https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1818 Yes Marten was out of line, yes he shouldn't have said what he said but Faye punching him, like she couldn't control herself just once, she knows what she did to him, shes knows what its like to be drunk so she could have sent him off to his room to sleep it off but no she decks him

So basically if this is a soft reboot of Faye/Marten I hope the author doesn't go to the places he went in the past, keep it fresh is what I'm saying

*I've always liked Dora because she was strong enough to recognize her issues and she knew staying with Marten would have been the easy road but she took the harder, but necessary, path to healing

*Also panel three Faye looks so much like my sister in laws wife its uncanny


I thought she hit him because he was pulling her towards him roughly, based their body language. That’s why I think she reflexively hit him.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Zebediah on 12 Nov 2020, 06:37
Okay, I think that we can all agree that Bubbles appreciates Claire a bit more than anyone ever realised prior to this strip!

Well, she does have a Claire Threat Evaluation Protocol (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3564).  :-)

Bubbles is VERY protective of her humans.

God help anyone who ever threatens Faye - nobody will ever be able to find the body because microscopic pieces of it will be spread across all of New England and upstate New York.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: IantoSteerpike on 12 Nov 2020, 07:32
Okay, I think that we can all agree that Bubbles appreciates Claire a bit more than anyone ever realised prior to this strip!

Well, she does have a Claire Threat Evaluation Protocol (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3564).  :-)

Bubbles is VERY protective of her humans.

God help anyone who ever threatens Faye - nobody will ever be able to find the body because microscopic pieces of it will be spread across all of New England and upstate New York.

We all need to have at least one friend like Bubbles.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 12 Nov 2020, 09:31
Getting vibes of the 'Incorruptible Republic of the Immortal Library' here.
"To read what you want, you have to be free!"
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: chris73 on 12 Nov 2020, 12:00
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I thought she hit him because he was pulling her towards him roughly, based their body language. That’s why I think she reflexively hit him.

I can see why that might be an explanation that suits better than mine (I'm not exactly impartial when it comes to Faye) but I see it as Faye knows shes stronger than and tougher than Marten, the strip has mentioned it, shes mentioned it etc etc so theres no real threat of danger also Faye knows Marten is hurting (and that Faye herself is a big part of that hurt), knows Marten is drunk yet she still drops him (by the way be very careful punching someone, its dangerous and the result of even one punch can lead to painful after effects that can last months or even cause death) instead of pushing him
 away (she even has her hand on his chest) or leading him to his bedroom

But no its straight to the violence

I may have missed it but has there been a arc where Faye has had to deal with her bullying and violence towards her friends or was it dealt with quickly and spoken no more of?

*I've sidetracked myself here but basically Dan seems quite similar to Marten (a bit more successful and sure of himself) and Renee seems similar to Faye (with less violence) so I'm just hoping this is handled differently
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Gnabberwocky on 12 Nov 2020, 12:18
Pan over the library, which is a pile of rubble. Ash and dust swirl through the air. Cut to the main part of Northampton. The town is deserted, save a lone scarecrow figure emerging from the ruins of a bar. The neon sign has gone out, but you can make out  T E  OR  BLE R VE LAT O on a scrap of paper stuck to a shard of glass. The figure raises his head. In his right hand, he clutches a pen and notepad. He begins to speak in a tortured voice:


The soldier walks, of steel and reddened skin
A broken soul, a product of the war
The land destroyed, its promise wearing thin
Survivors cracked and wounded to the core.

The ash of tomes drifts quiet through the air
A remnant of destruction, scorched and grim
The soldier's gaze, a blank and deadened stare
The light that once emboldened her grown dim.

But wait! A sound, a movement in the books
A shaken visage, framed by crimson hairs
The soldier turns, she finds, she sees, she looks
Beholds the face of one for whom she cares.

The suns ignite within the soldier's eyes
Her friend returned, restoring broken ties.


Cut back to the thin figure, standing in the remains of the bar. His face is turned toward the sun, which is breaking through the clouds. You can see a glimmer of hope on his face. Bittersweet music plays in the background, slowly fading along with the screen to nothing.

Cut.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: snufflebottoms on 12 Nov 2020, 13:34
Clinton asked Brun how she felt about him. If her answer hurt him, it's entirely on him. If it destroys their friendship (which is yet to see), not asking that question wouldn't have changed much, I fear. Brun and Elliot is an entirely different story, because it was forced by a third party. Elliot would always have preferred their friendship. Mostly, Brun needs a bit of time to process all of this, both rationally and emotionally, but I think, in the end, it will work out.

I disagree. Her answering being yes or no, absolutely he needs to accept the answer but him being hurt by "I'm picturing us having sex. yuck." is fair even though he asked if she was attracted to him. I mean if he blew up and ended the friendship, that's different but a bit of an "ouch. just a no is sufficient" is warranted.

I do also think it will all work out though.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Oenone on 12 Nov 2020, 14:55
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I thought she hit him because he was pulling her towards him roughly, based their body language. That’s why I think she reflexively hit him.

I can see why that might be an explanation that suits better than mine (I'm not exactly impartial when it comes to Faye) but I see it as Faye knows shes stronger than and tougher than Marten, the strip has mentioned it, shes mentioned it etc etc so theres no real threat of danger also Faye knows Marten is hurting (and that Faye herself is a big part of that hurt), knows Marten is drunk yet she still drops him (by the way be very careful punching someone, its dangerous and the result of even one punch can lead to painful after effects that can last months or even cause death) instead of pushing him
 away (she even has her hand on his chest) or leading him to his bedroom

But no its straight to the violence

I may have missed it but has there been a arc where Faye has had to deal with her bullying and violence towards her friends or was it dealt with quickly and spoken no more of?

*I've sidetracked myself here but basically Dan seems quite similar to Marten (a bit more successful and sure of himself) and Renee seems similar to Faye (with less violence) so I'm just hoping this is handled differently

I’m not defending Faye and her tendency towards violence. I just feel like that particular instance was justified. Marten grabbed her while being really rude/aggressive.

Also, IMO Renee is the Marten here. She’s in a dead end job that she finds satisfying, she let a good friend move in after a fire, she’s been unlucky in love, and she might let her self-perceived limitations prevent her from pursuing the people and things she wants. She’s much less mean than Faye, and I don’t think she’s even even joked about hitting Brun or made fun of her appearance, which is something Faye has done to both Marten and Dora.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: chris73 on 12 Nov 2020, 15:10

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I’m not defending Faye and her tendency towards violence. I just feel like that particular instance was justified. Marten grabbed her while being really rude/aggressive.

Also, IMO Renee is the Marten here. She’s in a dead end job that she finds satisfying, she let a good friend move in after a fire, she’s been unlucky in love, and she might let her self-perceived limitations prevent her from pursuing the people and things she wants. She’s much less mean than Faye, and I don’t think she’s even even joked about hitting Brun or made fun of her appearance, which is something Faye has done to both Marten and Dora.

Sorry but I disagree, he hasn't grabbed her at all. He has put his arm around her shoulders hats all(not saying its ok but its not as aggressive as grabbing)  plus its cannon that shes stronger, tougher and better (at punching) than Marten, that Marten is physically inferior to Faye so Faye certainly isn't acting out fear but (IMHO) that what Marten is saying is a little too close for comfort and shes taken advantage of the situation to lay him out

Thats a good point you make about Renee/Marten though and I hadn't considered, if thats the case who would Dan be similar to?
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Reaver on 12 Nov 2020, 17:46

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I’m not defending Faye and her tendency towards violence. I just feel like that particular instance was justified. Marten grabbed her while being really rude/aggressive.

Also, IMO Renee is the Marten here. She’s in a dead end job that she finds satisfying, she let a good friend move in after a fire, she’s been unlucky in love, and she might let her self-perceived limitations prevent her from pursuing the people and things she wants. She’s much less mean than Faye, and I don’t think she’s even even joked about hitting Brun or made fun of her appearance, which is something Faye has done to both Marten and Dora.

Sorry but I disagree, he hasn't grabbed her at all. He has put his arm around her shoulders hats all(not saying its ok but its not as aggressive as grabbing)  plus its cannon that shes stronger, tougher and better (at punching) than Marten, that Marten is physically inferior to Faye so Faye certainly isn't acting out fear but (IMHO) that what Marten is saying is a little too close for comfort and shes taken advantage of the situation to lay him out

Thats a good point you make about Renee/Marten though and I hadn't considered, if thats the case who would Dan be similar to?

Faye also used to hit Marten for every.little.thing.

Wrong joke? PUNCH

Say something she didn't like? PUNCH.

Lightly flirt with him? PUNCH.

And Dan is clearly the Dale of the relationship.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Oenone on 12 Nov 2020, 17:58
I’m not disagreeing that Faye has been physically violent towards Marten. I’m just saying that if a guy friend came at me with a bunch of angry nonsense and tried to pull me close to him while drunk, I’d hit him. IMO there’s better examples of Faye being violent towards Marten or being manipulative. Like, the Dora/ underwear thing was bananas.

If Dan’s anyone, he’s emotionally healthy Dora. Not Renee’s first choice, but interested and willing to pursue her. He’s also gone to college and is pursuing a career he’s passionate about. Plus Dan and Dora had style glow-ups during college.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Baz_Yat on 12 Nov 2020, 18:07
Progress from May. I remember when a faux pas like that would have earned an insult, rather than a terse "Phrasing."
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Reaver on 12 Nov 2020, 18:11
Her new eyebrows are VERY distracting...

Also Marigold's worse  is just a black shirt with 'Will glomp for pocky"???? Lame
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: shanejayell on 12 Nov 2020, 18:36
Does May even know what glomp means?  :-D
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Gnabberwocky on 12 Nov 2020, 18:39
I mean, Momo's not wrong.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Farideh on 12 Nov 2020, 19:17
Her new eyebrows are VERY distracting...

Also Marigold's worse  is just a black shirt with 'Will glomp for pocky"???? Lame


It's worst for May ;D
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Akima on 12 Nov 2020, 19:19
In case the library needs a bodyguard?
The Library of Alexandria could have done with one...
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Gus_Smedstad on 12 Nov 2020, 20:11
Does May even know what glomp means?  :-D

I don't know what glomp means.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Gus_Smedstad on 12 Nov 2020, 20:13
On an unrelated note...

I've never worked any place that had a uniform. Is it common to make you pay for your own uniform? Granted, it has to fit you, but it's not like it's clothing that usable outside of work.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Gyrre on 12 Nov 2020, 20:39
Her new eyebrows are VERY distracting...

Also Marigold's worse  is just a black shirt with 'Will glomp for pocky"???? Lame

Jeph had to be wary of monetization from ad revenue. I'd imagine he's been shot down on a number of other submissions considering how long it's been.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: sitnspin on 12 Nov 2020, 20:49
Her new eyebrows are VERY distracting...

I like them. They remind me of Cara Delevingne.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Tyr on 12 Nov 2020, 21:05
Does May even know what glomp means?  :-D

I don't know what glomp means.

It's another way of saying 'tackle-hug'.
glomps, as far as I know, have gone the way of the Yaoi Paddle. Someone was permanently paralyzed because it got taken too far, so it's now explicitly forbidden at most conventions.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: snufflebottoms on 12 Nov 2020, 21:07
Progress from May. I remember when a faux pas like that would have earned an insult, rather than a terse "Phrasing."

Lol true but I'm not sure failing to avoid a common idiom b/c the person you are talking is stole money to become an aircraft is a faux pas. Still a funny comic tho.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: chris73 on 12 Nov 2020, 21:17
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I’m not disagreeing that Faye has been physically violent towards Marten. I’m just saying that if a guy friend came at me with a bunch of angry nonsense and tried to pull me close to him while drunk, I’d hit him. IMO there’s better examples of Faye being violent towards Marten or being manipulative. Like, the Dora/ underwear thing was bananas.

If Dan’s anyone, he’s emotionally healthy Dora. Not Renee’s first choice, but interested and willing to pursue her. He’s also gone to college and is pursuing a career he’s passionate about. Plus Dan and Dora had style glow-ups during college.

I guess the difference is if friend (generally a female friend) that was physically weaker than me, couldn't hit as hard as me and I knew I could take them easily at any time did this to me then I wouldn't punch them

Faye knows she hits harder than Marten and can easily take Marten down any time she chooses, she choose to deck Marten because (I believe) he got uncomfortably close to the truth of the matter

She didn't punch him out of fear or danger or to defend herself, she hit Marten because of what he said and thats wrong and the comment from the author also suggests Marten was in the wrong (not saying he wasn't being a dick but he didn't deserve to be punched out like that

Also: Not a bad comment about Dan/Dora
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: DaiJB on 12 Nov 2020, 21:28
Her new eyebrows are VERY distracting...

Also Marigold's worse  is just a black shirt with 'Will glomp for pocky"???? Lame

I suspect that that's the best of Marigold's worst.
I also suspect Marigold is disappointed that she couldn't convince May to take something really nerdy/cringeworthy/gross  :-D

I'm imagining May going through the pile of tops, discarding them one by one, but only finding worse ones underneath - before finally returning reluctantly to the "glomp" shirt...
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: awkwardness on 12 Nov 2020, 22:05
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That honestly describes Marten/Dora as well, and while they did break up, they lasted for over 1200 strips (longer than Faye/Angus) and remain good friends. Part of that situation is that Marten helped both Dora and Faye get through their respective issues, and all three are better and stronger because of it. Maybe you're right, but I don't know that it would necessarily be a bad thing.

On paper its fine but in real life I'm not so sure.
How many years did it take Marten help them both through their issues* and how much mental, physical and emotional abuse did he suffer for it

I'm still a tad surprised that Marten isn't suffering any lingering PTSD from his dealings with both. There were times going back through the pages where I genuinely thought the author hated Marten and wanted him to suffer

What really struck home hard for me was this episode: https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1818 Yes Marten was out of line, yes he shouldn't have said what he said but Faye punching him, like she couldn't control herself just once, she knows what she did to him, shes knows what its like to be drunk so she could have sent him off to his room to sleep it off but no she decks him

So basically if this is a soft reboot of Faye/Marten I hope the author doesn't go to the places he went in the past, keep it fresh is what I'm saying

*I've always liked Dora because she was strong enough to recognize her issues and she knew staying with Marten would have been the easy road but she took the harder, but necessary, path to healing

*Also panel three Faye looks so much like my sister in laws wife its uncanny


I thought she hit him because he was pulling her towards him roughly, based their body language. That’s why I think she reflexively hit him.

It doesn't look like he was pulling roughly, it looked more like he wouldn't take no for an answer and the only way to stop him was to physically knock him out. It wasn't the greatest thing to do, but it was also the only way to prevent him from doing something monumentally stupid while also having it hit home hard the next morning(pun fully intended)
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: awkwardness on 12 Nov 2020, 22:07
Progress from May. I remember when a faux pas like that would have earned an insult, rather than a terse "Phrasing."

...with double progress in that she seems to realize that it's right alongside not going for the insult/snarky comeback.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: jesslc on 12 Nov 2020, 22:47
On an unrelated note...

I've never worked any place that had a uniform. Is it common to make you pay for your own uniform? Granted, it has to fit you, but it's not like it's clothing that usable outside of work.
From my experience (in Australia):

Typically you'd be issued a uniform when you started (or 2 or 3 depending on how often they were expecting you to work). If you needed more uniforms after that because - for example - you ruined it, it wore out, you changed sizes, or you simply didn't want to have to do laundry every second day, then they would take the cost of the new/extra uniforms out of your pay (spread over a couple of fortnights). Generally I remember being told this up front when they gave out your first uniform - presumably the intent was to motivate people to take good care of their uniform. And keep in mind too that these were the sort of places that would typically get a lot of teens in their first job as employees - eg fast food, restaurant chains, supermarkets, etc

At the public libraries I worked for things were different. Staff were required to wear clothes with the government/library's logo on it. It wasn't quite a uniform (at least not in the typical sense) because there was a whole catalogue of clothes with the logo that you could choose from. In these workplaces, you were issued some clothes when you started but after that you'd get a certain allowance per financial year for getting more/new work clothes from the catalogue.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Tova on 12 Nov 2020, 22:58
I'm not the boss of y'all, but really, I think it is neither necessary nor desirable to drag up that Marten/Faye incident yet again in order to evaluate a relationship between two entirely different characters (tenuous parallels and Jeph's tendency to recycle notwithstanding).

I do have a couple of related observations though.

It's a bit early to declare Dan as being free of 'issues.'

Right now, we are aware of Renee's issues and not Dan's because Renee is a member of the main cast, whereas Dan should be considered as still being supporting cast, at least for now. Maybe he will join the main cast, who knows. We would learn more about him then.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: BenRG on 12 Nov 2020, 23:11
I'm pretty sure that May's employer has wanted to be rid of her for a while; it might be due to that stunt Roko pulled where she threatened to expose him if he didn't cooperate with her, even though she didn't know for sure he'd done anything. However, I've still gotta say that this is super petty. Even if they have to go to an outsize clothing shop for May's new uniform, the cost is unlikely to top $100 for multiple purchases.

Still, this does raise a good point. Up to now, May's focus has been surviving her defective chassis. Suddenly, her repair budget is smaller and she can think of pursuing her dreams. The problem is, of course, that she's never really had a dream beyond 'being well' and she's suddenly in the position where that's resolved. It must be very like a rebirth for her in terms of her perceptions and thoughts about the future.

I'd really like to know the story of how/why Marigold got that tee-shirt. She's never been particularly flirty so I'm betting that there was a huge dare in play here. I'm officially blaming Angus.

I want May to buy Bubbles a tee shirt reading "Yes, I am a Valkyrie. What of it?" and one for herself reading "And I'm her trainee!" Then hang-out together one lunchtime.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: chris73 on 12 Nov 2020, 23:14
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It doesn't look like he was pulling roughly, it looked more like he wouldn't take no for an answer and the only way to stop him was to physically knock him out. It wasn't the greatest thing to do, but it was also the only way to prevent him from doing something monumentally stupid while also having it hit home hard the next morning(pun fully intended)

Lets see, options to use before knocking someone out when you arn't in physical danger (especially when its a friend)

1. Shouting (sometimes work)

2. Pushing him away (might work)

3. Punching him in the stomach (safer option compared to knocking someone out)

https://www.brainfacts.org/diseases-and-disorders/injury/2018/what-happens-when-youre-knocked-unconscious-112018#:~:text=What%20are%20the%20long%20term,%2C%20weeks%2C%20or%20even%20longer.

What are the long term effects of being knocked unconscious?

'It depends on the severity of the injury. If you lose consciousness briefly, and suffer a concussion, 75 to 90 percent of people will fully recover in a few months. But severe damage to the brain can cause unconsciousness for days, weeks, or even longer. If there is internal bleeding or swelling in the brain, surgery may be necessary to relieve pressure on the brain. Severe injuries can also cause lasting effects that vary — including memory loss, paralysis, seizures, and lasting behavioral or cognitive changes — depending on the areas of the brain affected. But in those cases, unconsciousness is a symptom of the injury, not a cause of long term deficits.'

I don't know how accurate the above is but I do know of officers that have been one-punch knocked out and its taken them months to come back to work and even then they're not 100%

It might feel righteous, the female punching out the male, but if this was real life then Marten could be in quite a bit of pain and discomfort for the next few months simply because Faye didn't like what Marten was saying (and what he was saying while mean wasn't far off the truth either) and chose to knock him out

Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Tova on 12 Nov 2020, 23:17
She must really really like Pocky.

"BAD SHIRT" -> read: "who wants to buy it?"

Warning - while you were typing someone didn't care about your words. You may wish to review your posts. All of them.

*taps microphone*
meh
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: chris73 on 12 Nov 2020, 23:44
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Warning - while you were typing someone didn't care about your words. You may wish to review your posts. All of them.[/color]

*taps microphone*
meh

In fairness I posted before reading your impassioned plea, a plea which has touched me, touched me deeply, touched me deeply and profoundly in my special place where I'm rarely touched

Its made me feel...warm, warm and gooey and a more than a little fuzzy inside, so warm and gooey and fuzzy (and a tad light headed in fact) that you have convinced me to not comment further on this thread
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Cornelius on 12 Nov 2020, 23:56
I'm pretty sure that May's employer has wanted to be rid of her for a while; it might be due to that stunt Roko pulled where she threatened to expose him if he didn't cooperate with her, even though she didn't know for sure he'd done anything. However, I've still gotta say that this is super petty. Even if they have to go to an outsize clothing shop for May's new uniform, the cost is unlikely to top $100 for multiple purchases.

To be honest, I've been wondering for a while what the fall-out of that threat would be. Going around threatening people is not perhaps the most sustainable solution. For one, it made May a liability, rather than an asset to the business.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Thrillho on 13 Nov 2020, 00:12
Global Moderator Comment That will do on the historical discussion. This is a thread for this week's comics, if you would like to discuss further the various implications of that old strip then it needs its own thread.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: N.N. Marf on 13 Nov 2020, 01:41
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Dan.. we don't enough, yet. By Questionable Content's extant high psychosocial variegation (despite deleterious visual homogeneity) he's likely be as distinct as most others.
It definitely feel May's more.. whole? But vaguely wrong, somehow.. I feel that in row 2 frame 2, were May's present body as outworn as her last prior, she'd need serious self-restraint against it.. seeming ready to hit Momo up the back of her head, I mean.
Maybe Marigold likes (the idea of) glomping, and likes pocky, so if she finds someone willing to give her pocky for glomping..
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Meander on 13 Nov 2020, 02:46
Scene: Insurgent group is overlooking the remains of the latest soldier she has taken down.

Leader: I thought you said she was just a librarian, this looks like special forces wet work!

Flunky 1: I asked her what she did here, she said she was just a librarian, a lowly, lowly librarian.

Leader: A librarian doesn't do THAT to a man. Find out more, find out what she used to do...

I love this scene.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Oenone on 13 Nov 2020, 05:01
If May makes minimum wage, isn’t it illegal to require her to pay for her uniform?
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Zebediah on 13 Nov 2020, 06:40
You’re assuming such laws are ever actually enforced.

May would need to take her boss to court to recover the money. The filing fee is probably more than the cost of the uniform. Also her boss would fire her immediately.

And please, don’t come at me with how all of that is or should be illegal. I happen to agree. I am simply stating how the world actually works. Employee protection laws in the US aren’t worth a bucket of warm spit unless you can afford really good lawyers.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: hedgie on 13 Nov 2020, 07:45
And typically, it has to be a big enough suit that you'll never have to work again, 'cos you can bet that future employers will google you.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Theta9 on 13 Nov 2020, 08:21
Rather than "The sky's the limit," how about "The world's your oyster soup kitchen floor wax museum"? (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=85nq7DE4BdE)
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: cybersmurf on 13 Nov 2020, 08:25
Is it my wishful thinking or is May less abrasive? I mean, she's still cranky as hell, but something mellowed out. I think.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Cornelius on 13 Nov 2020, 09:18
Might be that the diodes in her left hand side finally got fixed.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Pilchard123 on 13 Nov 2020, 09:32
Scene: Insurgent group is overlooking the remains of the latest soldier she has taken down.

Leader: I thought you said she was just a librarian, this looks like special forces wet work!

Flunky 1: I asked her what she did here, she said she was just a librarian, a lowly, lowly librarian.

Leader: A librarian doesn't do THAT to a man. Find out more, find out what she used to do...

Ook.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Gnabberwocky on 13 Nov 2020, 09:40
So May can't be a fighter jet, but surely there are aircraft companies that need AIs to simulate and calculate weather and flight patterns. If--and that's a big if--they're willing to hire her, that's a decent second.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Oenone on 13 Nov 2020, 10:11
You’re assuming such laws are ever actually enforced.

May would need to take her boss to court to recover the money. The filing fee is probably more than the cost of the uniform. Also her boss would fire her immediately.

And please, don’t come at me with how all of that is or should be illegal. I happen to agree. I am simply stating how the world actually works. Employee protection laws in the US aren’t worth a bucket of warm spit unless you can afford really good lawyers.

I was more thinking about if they even applied to AI. Do workers rights extend to them? Are they covered by OSHA?
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 13 Nov 2020, 10:24
Pictures Marigold in shirt. Pictures May in shirt, brooming pesky teens.

... a shirt I will never be able to wear---
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Mr_Rose on 13 Nov 2020, 11:32
So May can't be a fighter jet, but surely there are aircraft companies that need AIs to simulate and calculate weather and flight patterns. If--and that's a big if--they're willing to hire her, that's a decent second.
Wouldn’t that be cruel though? To spend her life calculating how other people can fly but never doing it for herself?
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: awkwardness on 13 Nov 2020, 12:01
If May makes minimum wage, isn’t it illegal to require her to pay for her uniform?

It varies by location but according to Federal law it's not illegal if the costs of providing and maintaining the uniform doesn't make the deductions fall below minimum wage. But being Massachusetts, she CAN be charged but has to be reimbursed- something that the state has gone to court over before and won.

That being said, REPLACEMENTS for the one that was already paid for aren't covered by the restriction- she'd have to claim it on her taxes to get the money back.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: awkwardness on 13 Nov 2020, 12:04
You’re assuming such laws are ever actually enforced.

May would need to take her boss to court to recover the money. The filing fee is probably more than the cost of the uniform. Also her boss would fire her immediately.

And please, don’t come at me with how all of that is or should be illegal. I happen to agree. I am simply stating how the world actually works. Employee protection laws in the US aren’t worth a bucket of warm spit unless you can afford really good lawyers.

As someone who was stuck on a grand jury hearing cases like this, it's taken seriously by states. The real issue is whether or not the manager is aware of the law and if s/he gives a damn about it. May wouldn't be the one on the line, she could sue and win huge- the manager is the one in the hot seat and getting blackballed by both the state and potential employers since May wouldn't actually be named in a lawsuit against the chain as they'd pool the lawsuits together and force restitution as a group to prevent retaliation.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Farideh on 13 Nov 2020, 12:32
So May can't be a fighter jet, but surely there are aircraft companies that need AIs to simulate and calculate weather and flight patterns. If--and that's a big if--they're willing to hire her, that's a decent second.


I like that!


Wouldn’t that be cruel though? To spend her life calculating how other people can fly but never doing it for herself?


That would be for May to decide whether or not she wants to do that. It would at least get her closer to the action, and it would pay more than her current job.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Gnabberwocky on 13 Nov 2020, 22:46
So May can't be a fighter jet, but surely there are aircraft companies that need AIs to simulate and calculate weather and flight patterns. If--and that's a big if--they're willing to hire her, that's a decent second.
Wouldn’t that be cruel though? To spend her life calculating how other people can fly but never doing it for herself?
Keyword: "simulate." I'm imagining something like a VR interface that allows her to test-fly airplanes in high-tech flight simulations in different conditions. Maybe she can access cameras on weather balloons as well.

Actually, what's stopping her from just being a pilot?
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Farideh on 14 Nov 2020, 00:56
Right now? Probably her criminal record.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Oenone on 14 Nov 2020, 05:31
Addendum: I would wear the heck out of that shirt.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Zebediah on 14 Nov 2020, 05:49
Right now? Probably her criminal record.
Also: poor impulse control. Just because a jetliner can do a barrel roll doesn’t mean that it should.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Gyrre on 14 Nov 2020, 08:08
You’re assuming such laws are ever actually enforced.

May would need to take her boss to court to recover the money. The filing fee is probably more than the cost of the uniform. Also her boss would fire her immediately.

And please, don’t come at me with how all of that is or should be illegal. I happen to agree. I am simply stating how the world actually works. Employee protection laws in the US aren’t worth a bucket of warm spit unless you can afford really good lawyers.

I was more thinking about if they even applied to AI. Do workers rights extend to them? Are they covered by OSHA?

OSHA  bylaws don't specify human or non-human, so one would hope so.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Gyrre on 14 Nov 2020, 08:12
Right now? Probably her criminal record.
Also: poor impulse control. Just because a jetliner can do a barrel roll doesn’t mean that it should.
.......I suddenly want there to be another Airplane! movie just so they can do that as a scene.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: N.N. Marf on 14 Nov 2020, 08:38
Also: poor impulse control. Just because a jetliner can do a barrel roll doesn’t mean that it should.
.......I suddenly want there to be another Airplane! movie just so they can do that as a scene.
Surely you can't be serious! I watched superficial comedy flix in university, but Questionable Content has subtle characterization! It's an entirely different kind of watching.. altogether!
Quote from: all together
It's an entirely different kind of watching.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 14 Nov 2020, 19:34
Right now? Probably her criminal record.
Also: poor impulse control. Just because a jetliner can do a barrel roll doesn’t mean that it should.

Funny you should mention that.

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/60-years-ago-the-famous-boeing-707-barrel-roll-over-lake-washington/
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Tyr on 14 Nov 2020, 19:49
Right now? Probably her criminal record.

You are correct: It has been mentioned in passing that one of the ways that Pintsize makes money is renting out his spare processor cycles. May isn't allowed to do that because she's a felon, now.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Reaver on 15 Nov 2020, 21:06
I mean you coulda shown a little grattitude to the people that helped you, but sure go off on Sven for not wanting ti be lewd in front of Momo I guess.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Mr_Rose on 15 Nov 2020, 23:29
I mean you coulda shown a little grattitude to the people that helped you, but sure go off on Sven for not wanting ti be lewd in front of Momo I guess.
You mean the one guy that specifically asked that she not find out he contributed to the fund? That guy?
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Reaver on 15 Nov 2020, 23:36
I mean you coulda shown a little grattitude to the people that helped you, but sure go off on Sven for not wanting ti be lewd in front of Momo I guess.
You mean the one guy that specifically asked that she not find out he contributed to the fund? That guy?

I mean she has done nothing but be her usual rude to the people that helped her out, but went off on Sven for not appreciating her new body fast enough for her liking.

She doesnt have to thank Sven but its usual May shittiness to be snappy when people treat her the same way/milder that she treats them.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: sitnspin on 16 Nov 2020, 02:26
How's that dead horse treating you, Reaver?
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Case on 16 Nov 2020, 03:20
Right now? Probably her criminal record.
Also: poor impulse control. Just because a jetliner can do a barrel roll doesn’t mean that it should.

Anything that can do a barrel roll absolutely has to at least once.

P.S.: Still a bit miffed about PPL-C pilot training: A barrel roll counts as areobatics, and you're forbidden from trying unless you have an areobatics licence. However, regular PPL-C training involves stalling manouvers that I'd consider both more demanding on the airframe & pilot, as well as more dangerous. We were encouraged to try to practice 'edging to a stall' without an instructor once we passed the solo-flying certificate. I tried. Now I know why training planes are built to be 'forgiving' (they'll automatically exit a stall & spin after two turns max even without pilot input) - second time I tried a straight stall flying solo, the plane fell 400 meters in a couple seconds, with me completely frozen in shock and unable to perform the control-inputs to exit a stall that I'd been taught. Really primal 'brains-off' terror - my only reaction was to cling onto one of the struts in the cockpit of the plane that was falling with me. (The plane 'nosed down' and entered a regular dive on its own - that's also correct recovery from stall: 'Stick forward'. 'Stick forward + rudder adjacent' if it's a 'stall and spin')
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Theta9 on 16 Nov 2020, 07:21
I mean you coulda shown a little grattitude to the people that helped you, but sure go off on Sven for not wanting ti be lewd in front of Momo I guess.
New week. Wrong thread.
Title: Re: WCDT 4391-4395 (Nov 9th -13th, 2020)
Post by: Gyrre on 17 Nov 2020, 02:21
Looks like 'human' wins this poll by a landslide.

I'm pretty chuffed with the poll turnout for this one, even if my alternate choice came in dead last with 0 votes.