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Title: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: Gyrre on 21 Nov 2020, 23:30
Sorry for the Northern Hemisphere bias in the poll, but we're getting to that time of year up here.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: cybersmurf on 22 Nov 2020, 07:34
I vote hot cocoa with essence of sugar cane water.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: sitnspin on 22 Nov 2020, 08:05
Coffee is the best beverage for all possible weather conditions. It is the perfect drink.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: jwhouk on 22 Nov 2020, 09:37
Ahem. (4401-4405)

Oh, and it's TURKEY WEEK!
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: Gyrre on 22 Nov 2020, 10:18
Damn, I knew I should have made certain herbal teas got a vote instead of voting coco.

Ahem. (4401-4405)

Oh, and it's TURKEY WEEK!
Scrap.
At least I got the dates changed while I was half-asleep.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: Gyrre on 22 Nov 2020, 10:20
Could one of the mods please correct the strip numbers in the thread title?
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: Farideh on 22 Nov 2020, 12:28
Hot coffee and hot cocoa. Put them together to create the ultimate cold-weather beverage: a moccachino!
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: Mr_Rose on 22 Nov 2020, 13:10
I like a hot chocolate. By which I mean chocolate, melted. None of this ďwaterĒ malarkeyÖ
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: chris73 on 22 Nov 2020, 13:15
Other:

Soup for the win!

Warms you up from the inside, gives you all the nutrients and calories you need for when its cold (depending on the type of soup of course) and tastes better than coffee any day of the week
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: Magniras on 22 Nov 2020, 15:07
Mulled wine is where it's at on a cold day.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: N.N. Marf on 22 Nov 2020, 16:16
First, other: the usual i.e. humbug! Second, stay strong: it'd have be, so I can forget I ever drank something special for cold weather.. just don't let me fall asleep outside.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: shanejayell on 22 Nov 2020, 18:20
Coffee, tho coco is nice too.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: NemesisDancer on 22 Nov 2020, 18:24
Winter tends to be when my coffees get milkier. Espresso is strictly a summer drink for me and in the winter I gravitate more towards mocha or cappuccino. Ultimate winter drink is chai latte, but only if I'm feeling energetic as it tends to make me sleepy otherwise ^_^;;
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: Scarlet Manuka on 22 Nov 2020, 19:44
How is it that in a poll about things to drink there is no "drink more water, Clinton" option?

I could also ask how it is that in a WCDT we're over a dozen posts in and still haven't actually discussed the comic, but I know what this forum is like :D
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: shanejayell on 22 Nov 2020, 20:02
Well, comic wasn't up.

"But what if the caterer is a guy?"

"Sleep with them anyway! I want a discount!"
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: N.N. Marf on 22 Nov 2020, 21:01
"But what if the caterer is a guy?"
"Sleep with them anyway! I want a discount!"
Plot twist: that's the new queer relationship Jeph's been planning---Clinton & Elliot having been an elaborate ruse. Sven turns out to have never explored the possibility of being gay, but ends up enjoying himself---despite his sister's coercion---more than he's ever with girls---the frivolousness of that sex being retconned as his unattraction sublimate in an active libido.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: Romanticide on 22 Nov 2020, 21:22
If we are honest Sven sleeping around was annoyance at best on it's own. The true problem was his tendency to sleep with her friends and drag down those friendships relationships with him XD Sven sleeping with someone she doesn't know and could get her a discount would be a welcome change XD
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: DaiJB on 22 Nov 2020, 21:24
Mocha fan here, so "fancy coffee" and "hot coco" both apply  :-D

Poor Sven! Trapped in the middle of a sit-com routine! 
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: Farideh on 22 Nov 2020, 22:19
Mocha fan here, so "fancy coffee" and "hot coco" both apply  ;D

Poor Sven! Trapped in the middle of a sit-com routine!


*Waves at fellow mocha fan*


Knock it off Dora, you're freaking out your brother.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: MrNumbers on 22 Nov 2020, 22:52
Sven's such a great character. Forever doomed to have genuine problems that nobody will ever commiserate with him for having.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: BenRG on 22 Nov 2020, 23:20
One thing that Dora seems to have learned from owning her own business is that 'illegal' and 'unethical' are distinct concepts and that sometimes you need to take every inch that the law gives you just to keep your nose above the water-line.

I also suspect that Sven is about to find out that maybe only Hannelore is taking his own current personal dilemma seriously!
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: Farideh on 23 Nov 2020, 00:00
Well, comic wasn't up.

"But what if the caterer is a guy?"

"Sleep with them anyway! I want a discount!"


Broaden that horizon!
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: ihaveavoice on 23 Nov 2020, 04:55
I love that panel one is basically Sven seeing his sister and going, "OH GOD, DO NOT FULFILL THE PROPHECY!"  :psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: FreshScrod on 23 Nov 2020, 08:15
I put hot toddy/cider/wassail (or egg-nog etc) because that's the only time adults let me drink alcohol. They don't do it responsibly though, just giving me access to the whole lot, so I have to be extra careful to pace myself, which isn't as fun as just taking whatever small amount they allot me, but I guess it teaches me to pace myself. Doesn't work out so well for my sibling, though.

Anyway, what's that look on Hannelore's face... like she knows something, ashamed to hide from Sven. Does she know about the caterer? Who they are? Maybe she and Dora were discussing her and Tai's wedding earlier, and Hannelore said something that gave Dora the very idea? Spooky.

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: Gyrre on 23 Nov 2020, 10:09
How is it that in a poll about things to drink there is no "drink more water, Clinton" option?

I could also ask how it is that in a WCDT we're over a dozen posts in and still haven't actually discussed the comic, but I know what this forum is like :D

That's the missing option from when I deleted the poll to get rid of a duplicate choice!
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 23 Nov 2020, 11:51
Upvotes all the posters who mentioned Mocha.

Svendoom. Wedding canceled, caterers on strike, May opens another can of WD40.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: Farideh on 23 Nov 2020, 12:05
Is it just me, or did the 'Like' button mysteriously disappear from this thread?
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: Zebediah on 23 Nov 2020, 13:16
Is it just me, or did the 'Like' button mysteriously disappear from this thread?

Give it a minute, it will eventually show up. It's N.N. Marf's avatar fouling up the works. The "Like" button won't load until everything else loads, and his avatar is on some bizarre onion domain that won't load and will eventually time out.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: FreshScrod on 23 Nov 2020, 14:49
Their avatar seems to load fine for me.
I've never noticed the like button, what does it look like?
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: N.N. Marf on 23 Nov 2020, 17:52
It's N.N. Marf's avatar fouling up the works. The "Like" button won't load until everything else loads, and his avatar is on some bizarre onion domain that won't load and will eventually time out.
I'm not sure how to construe that remark about my user-photo. I'm also not sure how some putative stylistic unconventionality of a third party resource---my net-site---should affect the well functioning of these forums. How, for example, would removing all but my user-photo, from my site, change things? There'd certainly be no unconventional style there.
I've never noticed the like button, what does it look like?
I don't see it either. I think it requires EMCAScript.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: Farideh on 23 Nov 2020, 18:34
Comic's up.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: shanejayell on 23 Nov 2020, 18:58
FREE TITTIES FOR ALL!

Marten: "What."

Clinton: "WHAT."

Elliot: "Da fuq?"

Sven: "Cool. I can play with my own, now."
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: Oenone on 23 Nov 2020, 19:38
I sometimes see the Like button, but when I donít, I assume itís because the comment was unlikeable  :clairedoge:

I understand how May feels. Itís hard being the friend who everyone has to help, and itís hard to get your head around the fact that everyone wants to help BECAUSE youíre a good friend.

I also like how this contrasts to Renee/ Brun... they donít seem to have guilt and debt as dynamics in their relationship in the same way the main cast members do. 
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: N.N. Marf on 23 Nov 2020, 20:13
Loving May's eyebrows, over her eyelids.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: Cornelius on 23 Nov 2020, 21:22
Is it just me, or did the 'Like' button mysteriously disappear from this thread?

Give it a minute, it will eventually show up. It's N.N. Marf's avatar fouling up the works. The "Like" button won't load until everything else loads, and his avatar is on some bizarre onion domain that won't load and will eventually time out.

It's definitely slow in loading, lately, but I'm not sure it has to do with Marf's avatar. Lately, only about one in three attempts to even connect to the forums seems to succeed. Or maybe I just have bad timing.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: QuestionableIntentions on 23 Nov 2020, 21:23
What's the human healthcare situation in QC in the US? And is May aware of it?

I mean, the AIs have it infinitely easier than humans when it comes to bodies.

Kinda fucked up to ask for free body upgrades when humans can't afford treatments.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: MrNumbers on 23 Nov 2020, 22:07
Snip

I can confirm that the like functionality only showed up for me after your image failed to load. Whether it should be true, it is. It also can't be displayed due to errors.

Anyway, more on topic, ethically AI bodies fall under healthcare for humans for pretty obvious reasons. One option would be like how student debts ideally work in Australia through HECS; The government gives a 0-interest loan for it, and garnishes your salary once you make above a certain income threshold, if you ever earn that much. Considering how important a quality body is to holding a job - disabled posters rise up! - that seems like the most obvious no-brainer solution.

Also, you know, reform literally everything to do with how we do criminal justice. That one's less no-brainer.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: baronvonfritz on 23 Nov 2020, 22:32
Ah hell I want some free robotitties
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: BenRG on 23 Nov 2020, 23:23
To me, the big tragedy is that May thinks she 'owes' people. It says a lot of bad things about modern society that it's hard to imagine an act of kindness being done to be an act of kindness instead of a forward payment for future considerations and service.

It's N.N. Marf's avatar fouling up the works. The "Like" button won't load until everything else loads, and his avatar is on some bizarre onion domain that won't load and will eventually time out.

I'm not sure how to construe that remark about my user-photo. I'm also not sure how some putative stylistic unconventionality of a third party resource---my net-site---should affect the well functioning of these forums.

Fine, I'll be more specific: Whatever site or file storage service you use is technically incompatible with this site. It is nothing about style and everything about incompatible coding and settings. Your link is irreversibly broken and is hurting other users of the forums. The only solution is to stop using your current location and find one that actually works with the forums. Trying to be cute or obtusely defensive about it just makes you come across in a bad light.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: St.Clair on 24 Nov 2020, 00:15
I'll chime in - I've resorted to adblocking your userpic in order to get the forum to fully load.
If you have an alternate hosting site, I strongly encourage you to use it.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: Pilchard123 on 24 Nov 2020, 01:37
It doesn't seem to be an onion site now - I think the host just prevents deep linking to images from other domains. I can open it just fine in a new tab. It may also be that the image is too large, though I'd expect that to just result in a distorted avatar as it gets squashed into the space rather than none.

EDIT: Belay that. I was looking at MrNumbers's avatar, which fails to load but at least has the courtesy to fail quickly.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: cybersmurf on 24 Nov 2020, 06:10
EDIT: Belay that. I was looking at MrNumbers's avatar, which fails to load but at least has the courtesy to fail quickly.

I'm 99.7% sure you use Chrome. Why? That picture does load properly. Only Chrome doesn't. Reason? It's embedded via HTTP on a site running over HTTPS. It's a Chrome thing.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 24 Nov 2020, 06:19
Ah hell I want some free robotitties

I'll take two.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: Mr_Rose on 24 Nov 2020, 06:26
Ah hell I want some free robotitties

I'll take two.


Are they not sold in pairs?
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: N.N. Marf on 24 Nov 2020, 06:47
It's N.N. Marf's avatar fouling up the works. The "Like" button won't load until everything else loads, and his avatar is on some bizarre onion domain that won't load and will eventually time out.
I'm not sure how to construe that remark about my user-photo. I'm also not sure how some putative stylistic unconventionality of a third party resource---my net-site---should affect the well functioning of these forums.
Fine, I'll be more specific: Whatever site or file storage service you use is technically incompatible with this site. It is nothing about style and everything about incompatible coding and settings. Your link is irreversibly broken and is hurting other users of the forums. The only solution is to stop using your current location and find one that actually works with the forums. Trying to be cute or obtusely defensive about it just makes you come across in a bad light.
Except it's not irreversibly broken. It loads fine, for me, and at least one other person. (Just so you know, what you're saying about be finding a different host, is like telling someone in a wheelchair, to find different crutches. Yeah, the stairs are crumbling from wheels hitting them day in and day out, because what's in the building, is more valuable to the person in the wheelchair, than cost of being jostled by getting someone to drag the wheelchair up each step. The proper solution should be plan renovations that would make the building more accessible, maybe installing a ramp meanwhile---maybe don't blame the person in the wheelchair.) There's nothing obtuse about requesting elucidation about an opaque statement that could be construed as blaming, without further elucidation, one person for another's difficulty. Thank you cybersmurf, for at least something maybe helpful (https://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,34774.msg1454759.html#msg1454759).
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: BenRG on 24 Nov 2020, 06:50
EDIT: Belay that. I was looking at MrNumbers's avatar, which fails to load but at least has the courtesy to fail quickly.

I'm 99.7% sure you use Chrome. Why? That picture does load properly. Only Chrome doesn't. Reason? It's embedded via HTTP on a site running over HTTPS. It's a Chrome thing.

Nope, Firefox here.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: Cornelius on 24 Nov 2020, 07:55
Not to repeat the discussion:

I suppose one might try looking through [url=http://mmhak3fquhmd3fnaplgvgcq5yxefhhv3h53m6p6ckiblau675f6milyd.onion/#QCC]my net-site[/url], maybe through a `Tor2Web' gateway e.g. onion.ly;

It could still be something in the forum software, as your link is missing the ".ly" after "onion" which is what I saw happen to the url of your avatar when I looked into it.  It's easily avoided by not using onion.ly, I suppose - but maybe you have some reason to suppose that linking images from QC is a major security problem for you.

The avatar issue is more easily fixed by simply uploading the image to the forum instead of linking to it.

Easiest fix is suggested.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: N.N. Marf on 24 Nov 2020, 08:10
The avatar issue is more easily fixed by simply uploading the image to the forum instead of linking to it.
Easiest fix is suggested.
Maybe that's easiest for you. Don't assume it's easiest for me.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: MrNumbers on 24 Nov 2020, 08:50
Of all the hills to die on, why this one?
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: Pilchard123 on 24 Nov 2020, 09:23
EDIT: Belay that. I was looking at MrNumbers's avatar, which fails to load but at least has the courtesy to fail quickly.

I'm 99.7% sure you use Chrome. Why? That picture does load properly. Only Chrome doesn't. Reason? It's embedded via HTTP on a site running over HTTPS. It's a Chrome thing.

Yup, you're right. Switching to Firefox will get me MrNumbers's avatar just fine, as does enabling insecure content on this site. N.N. Marf's is still broken either way.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: SpanielBear on 24 Nov 2020, 09:39
Posting for the sake of site management and how it appears on browsers, with no judgement intended-

Using the standard iPhone safari browser, MrNumbersí avatar loads fine. N. N. Marfís does not.

Not sure what that means, but for what itís worth thatís my experience. The like buttons were slow to load for me as well, and I get occasional failures to open this site due to I guess domain issues? Not my area Iím afraid.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: pwhodges on 24 Nov 2020, 09:50
Administrator Comment The URLs at issue end with the ".onion" TLD. These URLs are intended for use within the Tor security network and are forbidden for use on the Internet by RFC 7686. Their use here will cause problems for anyone not using a Tor client, and can only be considered unfriendly to the community.

https://www.theregister.com/2015/10/28/onion_kept_off_public_internet/ (https://www.theregister.com/2015/10/28/onion_kept_off_public_internet/)
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: N.N. Marf on 24 Nov 2020, 12:10
The URLs at issue end with the ".onion" TLD.  These URLs are intended for use within the Tor security network and are forbidden for use on the Internet by RFC 7686.  Their use here will cause problems for anyone not using a Tor client, and can only be considered unfriendly to the community.

https://www.theregister.com/2015/10/28/onion_kept_off_public_internet/ (https://www.theregister.com/2015/10/28/onion_kept_off_public_internet/)
Perhaps you misunderstood that request for comments. From the text thereof, published by the Internet Engineering Task Force (https://tools.ietf.org/rfc/rfc7686.txt):
Quote
   6.  DNS Server Operators: Operators MUST NOT configure an
       authoritative DNS server to answer queries for .onion.  If they
       do so, client software is likely to ignore any results (see
       above).

   7.  DNS Registries/Registrars: Registrars MUST NOT register .onion
       names; all such requests MUST be denied.
Those are the only things forbidden according to that document. Presumably to avoid ambiguities. The ``onion'' top-level domain name is used to refer to TOR `onion services.' (Tangentially, (6) is poorly phrased: client software might ignore such results.) Problems caused by pointing to an onion service directly, should be no worse than problems caused by a pointer by name that doesn't resolve.
Switching to Firefox will get me MrNumbers's avatar just fine, as does enabling insecure content on this site. N.N. Marf's is still broken either way.
I'd switched it from the (obfuscated/shortened by TinyURL) `Tor2Web' gateway pointer to the resource, to the direct one. This might reduce delays caused by a client waiting for that resource to load.
As has been said elsewhere, I had tried using the `Tor2Web' gateway, so that embedded resources might be read by more users. For some reason, that had failed (I suspect CloudFlare, or, less likely, these forums' forum software), but it had seemed to work with the obfuscated locator. Now it seems that that had caused some problems for some users.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: MrNumbers on 24 Nov 2020, 13:53
Of all the hills to die on, why this one?

Your picture still fails to load, but it's failing to load a lot faster now.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: Thrillho on 24 Nov 2020, 15:35
It's N.N. Marf's avatar fouling up the works. The "Like" button won't load until everything else loads, and his avatar is on some bizarre onion domain that won't load and will eventually time out.
I'm not sure how to construe that remark about my user-photo. I'm also not sure how some putative stylistic unconventionality of a third party resource---my net-site---should affect the well functioning of these forums.
Fine, I'll be more specific: Whatever site or file storage service you use is technically incompatible with this site. It is nothing about style and everything about incompatible coding and settings. Your link is irreversibly broken and is hurting other users of the forums. The only solution is to stop using your current location and find one that actually works with the forums. Trying to be cute or obtusely defensive about it just makes you come across in a bad light.
Except it's not irreversibly broken. It loads fine, for me, and at least one other person. (Just so you know, what you're saying about be finding a different host, is like telling someone in a wheelchair, to find different crutches. Yeah, the stairs are crumbling from wheels hitting them day in and day out, because what's in the building, is more valuable to the person in the wheelchair, than cost of being jostled by getting someone to drag the wheelchair up each step. The proper solution should be plan renovations that would make the building more accessible, maybe installing a ramp meanwhile---maybe don't blame the person in the wheelchair.) There's nothing obtuse about requesting elucidation about an opaque statement that could be construed as blaming, without further elucidation, one person for another's difficulty. Thank you cybersmurf, for at least something maybe helpful (https://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,34774.msg1454759.html#msg1454759).

Moderator Comment I strongly advise you don't ever use this comparison to a wheelchair user ever again.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: Oenone on 24 Nov 2020, 16:15
Wait, catering?? How big is Doraís wedding going to be?

Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: Farideh on 24 Nov 2020, 16:28
Hiring a caterer for your wedding is very common, unless you want to cook everything yourself, or turn it into a potluck.

We had a caterer, and the amount of people present for that meal was about 30 (close family and friends).
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: Oenone on 24 Nov 2020, 16:45
Thatís true, Iím more speculating on the fancy level of the cuisine. I wonder how much of The Secret Bakery crew will get invited? How many forgotten faces will return?? Will Angus be there? Iím assuming not, unless he and Tai are besties. Martenís flawed ONS might be there tho.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: Farideh on 24 Nov 2020, 17:26
I can totally see Jim baking the wedding cake.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: shanejayell on 24 Nov 2020, 17:42
New comic up.

You know, Dora and Sven just do NOT have a healthy interaction with each other. Have they considered therapy?
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: Farideh on 24 Nov 2020, 17:57
Most of it just reads as 'siblings ribbing each other' to me. Sven is reacting to it a bit more right now because of what he and May just went through.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: Baz_Yat on 24 Nov 2020, 18:42
I want May to ask someone 'How do I pay it back' only to get told "You don't. Pay it forward instead"
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: Farideh on 24 Nov 2020, 18:55
She can volunteer with Winslow :D
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: Gnabberwocky on 24 Nov 2020, 21:38
She can volunteer with Winslow :D
That is a great idea. Get Momo into the act, too.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: BenRG on 24 Nov 2020, 23:08
Being an only child, I'm not sure how normal Sven and Dora's interactions are for adult siblings. That said, you have to admire Sven for sticking to his decision not to reveal his intimate interactions with May to anyone. I also can't blame Dora for being interested. I mean... being behind that counter for 8 hours a day must get boring so any new gossip is welcome!

Meanwhile, I'm thinking that Hannelore is wondering who had appointed her as the Bianchis' official referee!
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: Farideh on 25 Nov 2020, 00:17
I think it varies from family to family. Mine tends to specialize in 'good natured insults'.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: Potato Farmer on 25 Nov 2020, 01:09
I continue to be nonplussed by how Sven is treated.

Then again it's Dora so as a sibling she has leeway.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: jesslc on 25 Nov 2020, 02:42
Jeez Dora - if you want your brother to not be a jerk to the people he sleeps with, how about you stop sabotaging his efforts?  :-\

And as someone with siblings, I don't think that being siblings exempts you from respecting it when your sibling is protecting someone else's privacy. Curiosity is natural but trying to pressure your brother into telling you after he's said that - not cool.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: pwhodges on 25 Nov 2020, 03:05
I'd switched it from the (obfuscated/shortened by TinyURL) `Tor2Web' gateway pointer to the resource, to the direct one. This might reduce delays caused by a client waiting for that resource to load.

You realise that you can simply upload the avatar image to the forum and avoid all this fuss (over the avatar image, at least)?  As I said before, deliberately continuing to use a URL which you know causes issues for other users is unfriendly to the community.

I am considering withdrawing the facility of using URLs for avatars altogether - it has caused other problems in the past, and most forums don't allow it anyway; but I would have to consult first, as a few other people use it (as I do, in fact).
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: Mr_Rose on 25 Nov 2020, 03:06
Jeez Dora - if you want your brother to not be a jerk to the people he sleeps with, how about you stop sabotaging his efforts?  :-\

And as someone with siblings, I don't think that being siblings exempts you from respecting it when your sibling is protecting someone else's privacy. Curiosity is natural but trying to pressure your brother into telling you after he's said that - not cool.
Yeah, but we already know Dora has serious boundary issues, specifically not respecting others. Thatís why Marten broke it off after allÖ
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: Cypher on 25 Nov 2020, 05:17
Sven might not be in line for canonisation, but it occurs to me, yet again, to wonder exactly what it is he gets out of interacting with Dora, like, ever. A jealous kid sibling might have a tiny element of charm when you're both young, but at this point it's just rather pathetic, at least in as much as their dynamic colours seemingly every single interaction they have. Leaving aside the fact that he was a bit of a douche in the past, I don't really see why he needs her approval in any respect in the first place, particularly when she remains so blind to her own flaws and doesn't ever seem to have done anything to improve herself.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: Mr_Rose on 25 Nov 2020, 06:24
Sven might not be in line for canonisation, but it occurs to me, yet again, to wonder exactly what it is he gets out of interacting with Dora, like, ever. A jealous kid sibling might have a tiny element of charm when you're both young, but at this point it's just rather pathetic, at least in as much as their dynamic colours seemingly every single interaction they have. Leaving aside the fact that he was a bit of a douche in the past, I don't really see why he needs her approval in any respect in the first place, particularly when she remains so blind to her own flaws and doesn't ever seem to have done anything to improve herself.
Heís there to see his friend Hannelore; his sister just happens to employ her and also work there. At this point, interacting with Dora is the price of admission. Also he might want a coffee? I donít think thatís been established yet.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: Oenone on 25 Nov 2020, 07:42
Also, he probably loves her. Tbh this sibling interaction seems pretty normal-to-pleasant to me. I know you can only infer tone, but I ďhearĒ Dora as joking and Sven as acknowledging but deeply over the teasing.


Hasnít Dora done a lot to help both her and Sven grow, both as individuals and as siblings? Sheís doing the work in terms of her counseling and attempts to moderate her own responses to others.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: Gnabberwocky on 25 Nov 2020, 09:17
Meanwhile, I'm thinking that Hannelore is wondering who had appointed her as the Bianchis' official referee!
"Fault!"

(three seconds pass)

"Fault!"

(three seconds pass)

"Fault!"
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: N.N. Marf on 25 Nov 2020, 09:38
I strongly advise you don't ever use this comparison to a wheelchair user ever again.
You're right. A better metaphor would be to tell a person who can walk on their own, though perhaps with a gait that might be clumsy, especially on these crude floors, to use braces, even going so far as pointing, multiple times, to the braces you have for them to use. Except not considering the possibility that those braces won't fit them, or might damage their legs. I want to be perfectly clear, in case it wasn't: the metaphor, isn't about me being crippled, but about you telling crippled persons to deal with their being crippled a certain way.
I'd switched it from the (obfuscated/shortened by TinyURL) `Tor2Web' gateway pointer to the resource, to the direct one. This might reduce delays caused by a client waiting for that resource to load.
You realise that you can simply upload the avatar image to the forum and avoid all this fuss (over the avatar image, at least)?  As I said before, deliberately continuing to use a URL which you know causes issues for other users is unfriendly to the community.
And these are the braces you're pointing to, incredulous at my not using them, considering that somehow unfriendly to some vague `community.' And the metaphor continues: it's difficult to brace and unbrace; it's difficult to change my user-photo that way. And, no, I don't know that it causes problems. I know that a certain confluence of circumstance, which seems happens to include my user-photo pointer, has been reported to cause problems for other persons. They seem to emphasize my user-photo. Maybe that's what's most visible to them. And sure, similar problems have occurred in the past. This is time, though, is the first time that I'm getting any helpful feedback about what, exactly, the problem might be---so is the first time I even have an opportunity to try something better than random.
I think there's a deeper problem with a certain mentality, where, after something is recognized as a possible answer to a problem---just use our braces---that would alleviate some difficulties, all other potential solutions are rejected, and very little is done to even try coming to something that might accommodate everyone better. And again, about the vague `community'---unfriendly to whom, exactly? To everyone? Certainly not: it's not unfriendly to me---unless you're excluding me from the community, but do explain on what grounds, if not arbitrary. To a part of the community? Maybe, but the insistence that it's primarily my problem, is also unfriendly to a part of the community. Maybe, if you would be so kind, please be more descriptive about what, exactly you mean, rather than using that weasel-word, and, at the least, explain what action, exactly, in what way, exactly, is unfriendly. It's starting to look like maybe you just don't like me for whatever reason.
I am considering withdrawing the facility of using URLs for avatars altogether - it has caused other problems in the past, and most forums don't allow it anyway; but I would have to consult first, as a few other people use it (as I do, in fact).
That seems would be an equitable solution: make it equally difficult for everyone. Force everyone who wants to walk, to use braces. As a temporary fix, until you get better control of the server as you claim to be planning, that might be tolerable.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 25 Nov 2020, 10:36
Sigh. This is the Dora who snooped on Marten's porn archive after being told not to.

( today the site loaded fine except for the notorious N.N. Marf avatar. when i try to visit the revised url, firefox now gives me

We canít connect to the server at www.mmhak3fquhmd3fnaplgvgcq5yxefhhv3h53m6p6ckiblau675f6milyd.onion.

that had better be one thunder bang wonderful avatar )

Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: snufflebottoms on 25 Nov 2020, 10:52
I feel bad for Sven.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: luminantAegis on 25 Nov 2020, 11:00
that had better be one thunder bang wonderful avatar

Had nothing better to do on lunch, decided to hop onto Tor and "walk" to it. It's alright. (https://lumi.living-me.me/i/5c2o.png)
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: Pilchard123 on 25 Nov 2020, 11:47
Marf, it's not the forum software, and it's not the server hosting the forum software. It is, at a very great stretch, the fault of the users' browsers for not resolving the .onion TLD - but since those RFCs specifically say that DNS operators must return NXDOMAIN for .onion requests I can hardly fault them for trusting that the domain does not exist.

But just for fun, I thought I'd try loading this page in a bunch of different browsers:

Chrome - name resolution fails
Firefox - doesn't make the request
Edge - name resolution fails
IE11 - doesn't make the request
Tor Browser - succeeds, strangely enough

So maybe four of those browsers are faulty? It seems unlikely, given that they make up a hair under 75% of all browser use and more than 85% of desktop browser use. But maybe they are, so I'll try going a level lower.

What does nslookup give me?
Code: [Select]
Windows PowerShell
Copyright (C) Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

Try the new cross-platform PowerShell https://aka.ms/pscore6

PS C:\Users\Richard> nslookup
Default Server:  bthub.home
Address:  fe80::66cc:22ff:fee9:9b61

> mmhak3fquhmd3fnaplgvgcq5yxefhhv3h53m6p6ckiblau675f6milyd.onion
Server:  bthub.home
Address:  fe80::66cc:22ff:fee9:9b61

*** bthub.home can't find mmhak3fquhmd3fnaplgvgcq5yxefhhv3h53m6p6ckiblau675f6milyd.onion: Non-existent domain
>

Oh. Well, uhhhhhh... Maybe my nslookup is faulty too? I'll try someone else's.

https://network-tools.com/nslookup/ - nothing returned
https://centralops.net/co/NsLookup.aspx - NameError
http://www.kloth.net/services/nslookup.php - NXDOMAIN

Dang, there's a lot of faulty software out there.

Or maybe - juuuust maybe - using a .onion address on a site intended to be used on the non-Tor Internet is a silly idea.

If you want metaphors, you're walking around Edinburgh and wondering why people look at you funny when you tell them to visit you in Brigadoon.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 25 Nov 2020, 13:01
that had better be one thunder bang wonderful avatar

Had nothing better to do on lunch, decided to hop onto Tor and "walk" to it. It's alright. (https://lumi.living-me.me/i/5c2o.png)

You have done a wonder bang noble deed this day!

....
But just for fun, I thought I'd try loading this page in a bunch of different browsers:
....
Or maybe - juuuust maybe - using a .onion address on a site intended to be used on the non-Tor Internet is a silly idea.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: N.N. Marf on 25 Nov 2020, 14:30
Marf, it's not the forum software, and it's not the server hosting the forum software. It is, at a very great stretch, the fault of the users' browsers for not resolving the .onion TLD - but since those RFCs specifically say that DNS operators must return NXDOMAIN for .onion requests I can hardly fault them for trusting that the domain does not exist.
I didn't say the difficulties were that some can't access the directly pointed-to resource. I pretty clearly stated that that was the most recent thing that I had tried, to ameliorate the reported certain these forums' features' activation delay, that seemed to be the `Tor2Web' gateway misbehaving (I saw it misreporting errors, claiming it had gotten HTTP errors in the 500s---internal server errors---that the host I use never gives). I don't find it so important that everyone see my user-photo---that's not an error I care about, and neither do others, it seems, because it's never been reported before, except that another user's user-photo similarly not display properly, reported in comparison to my user-photo not displaying and `causing' delays---so I changed it to the direct pointer: the delay has been reported to have been reduced, and no further problems have been reported to me.
Dang, there's a lot of faulty software out there.
Yes. Yes that is. A lot and a lot of of faulty software. Here's the thing: that domain exists---so, yes, they're wrong. What they should be saying is they're unaware of that domain existing. But they say it doesn't exist---they're making false claims. Sadly, in this case, that's the majority, so some assholes consider themselves right in not accommodating---even going so far as sneering at---certain minority cases, without even considering that there might be a legitimate reason that the minority case does things that way. Here's a hint: most minority cases, have a good reason.
Or maybe - juuuust maybe - using a .onion address on a site intended to be used on the non-Tor Internet is a silly idea.
If you want metaphors, you're walking around Edinburgh and wondering why people look at you funny when you tell them to visit you in Brigadoon.
Geographically-localized metaphors about the internet tend to not work well. The internet is all around the world, more like international postage: mentioning a TOR resource on the `clear' internet, would be like mentioning something that can be delivered by one postal company, in a message delivered by a `the' (i.e. the `usual' or `standard') postal company. Some persons might not want to get things delivered by that postal company---that's fine, let them not. That's a terrible reason to prevent such things being mentioned.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: Cornelius on 25 Nov 2020, 14:54
Maybe do yourself a favour, and look up the places? Brigadoon is a fictional place, that locked itself away from reality, for safety reasons, and is only accessible under well-defined and very limited circumstances.

You might also want to consider the reason it's reporting it doesn't exist, and whether that is fit for purpose as intended for that network.

But fine, maintain that your one use case trumps all else.

Edited: I really should switch off autocorrect.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: Thrillho on 25 Nov 2020, 14:57
I strongly advise you don't ever use this comparison to a wheelchair user ever again.
You're right. A better metaphor would be to tell a person who can walk on their own, though perhaps with a gait that might be clumsy, especially on these crude floors, to use braces, even going so far as pointing, multiple times, to the braces you have for them to use. Except not considering the possibility that those braces won't fit them, or might damage their legs. I want to be perfectly clear, in case it wasn't: the metaphor, isn't about me being crippled, but about you telling crippled persons to deal with their being crippled a certain way.
I'd switched it from the (obfuscated/shortened by TinyURL) `Tor2Web' gateway pointer to the resource, to the direct one. This might reduce delays caused by a client waiting for that resource to load.
You realise that you can simply upload the avatar image to the forum and avoid all this fuss (over the avatar image, at least)?  As I said before, deliberately continuing to use a URL which you know causes issues for other users is unfriendly to the community.
And these are the braces you're pointing to, incredulous at my not using them, considering that somehow unfriendly to some vague `community.' And the metaphor continues: it's difficult to brace and unbrace; it's difficult to change my user-photo that way. And, no, I don't know that it causes problems. I know that a certain confluence of circumstance, which seems happens to include my user-photo pointer, has been reported to cause problems for other persons. They seem to emphasize my user-photo. Maybe that's what's most visible to them. And sure, similar problems have occurred in the past. This is time, though, is the first time that I'm getting any helpful feedback about what, exactly, the problem might be---so is the first time I even have an opportunity to try something better than random.
I think there's a deeper problem with a certain mentality, where, after something is recognized as a possible answer to a problem---just use our braces---that would alleviate some difficulties, all other potential solutions are rejected, and very little is done to even try coming to something that might accommodate everyone better. And again, about the vague `community'---unfriendly to whom, exactly? To everyone? Certainly not: it's not unfriendly to me---unless you're excluding me from the community, but do explain on what grounds, if not arbitrary. To a part of the community? Maybe, but the insistence that it's primarily my problem, is also unfriendly to a part of the community. Maybe, if you would be so kind, please be more descriptive about what, exactly you mean, rather than using that weasel-word, and, at the least, explain what action, exactly, in what way, exactly, is unfriendly. It's starting to look like maybe you just don't like me for whatever reason.
I am considering withdrawing the facility of using URLs for avatars altogether - it has caused other problems in the past, and most forums don't allow it anyway; but I would have to consult first, as a few other people use it (as I do, in fact).
That seems would be an equitable solution: make it equally difficult for everyone. Force everyone who wants to walk, to use braces. As a temporary fix, until you get better control of the server as you claim to be planning, that might be tolerable.

Global Moderator Comment Stop.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: MrNumbers on 25 Nov 2020, 15:25
As a disabled person myself, sometimes, when I'm rejected from a job application process because I can't 'supply my own transport' for a job that does not require it at all, I think to myself: Damn, this must be how it feels like to be told I should just upload my avatar directly to a webcomic forum.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: hedgie on 25 Nov 2020, 16:00
I blocked them quite some time ago, and feel better for it.  This lack of basic netiquitte only confirms that decision.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: Case on 25 Nov 2020, 16:38
I blocked them quite some time ago, and feel better for it.  This lack of basic netiquitte only confirms that decision.

OhCousin I understand the sentiment, but I have this hunch that the mod-team would prefer dealing with this without also having to corral the resident cradle of ill-tempered felines (meaning 'us') at the same time.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: Cornelius on 25 Nov 2020, 16:45
Fair enough.

Back to the comic:
In the last few frames, Dora kind of reminds me of Sam. Probably it's the hair and pose.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: Potato Farmer on 25 Nov 2020, 17:01
So someone is equating an adamant desire to keep using a problematic domain to host their avatar picture, which is entirely voluntary, with being either crippled or physically handicapped/disadvantaged.

Okay.

Jeez Dora - if you want your brother to not be a jerk to the people he sleeps with, how about you stop sabotaging his efforts?  :-\

And as someone with siblings, I don't think that being siblings exempts you from respecting it when your sibling is protecting someone else's privacy. Curiosity is natural but trying to pressure your brother into telling you after he's said that - not cool.

Oh them being siblings doesn't mean it's just okay, but (most) siblings are close enough or care enough for each other that such questionable actions are less offensive because they can trust each other to not act with intentional malice.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: MrNumbers on 25 Nov 2020, 18:00
Comic up, site down
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: DaiJB on 25 Nov 2020, 18:24
Comic up, site down

This is the first time this week the page hasn't failed to load properly straight away (for me, anyway).  :-\ 
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: FreshScrod on 25 Nov 2020, 18:38
2020 is one whole cooked turkey of a year!
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: shanejayell on 25 Nov 2020, 19:03
Oh right, it's US Turkey day tomorrow.

(Canadian)
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: Farideh on 25 Nov 2020, 19:10
Being on the Southern Hemisphere, Turkey Day tends to make me go 'meh'. Then again, I am kinda 'forced' to celebrate it since my mother's partner is American, so they put on a meal every year.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: Oenone on 25 Nov 2020, 19:22
Meals are nice. I hope itís a good one.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: Farideh on 25 Nov 2020, 19:26
It usually is, my mother is a good cook 😊 She does tend to get a bit passive-agressive about how much work it is, and how much time she spent in the kitchen, and that it takes a day to do the cleanup... So this year we put our foot down and divvied up the tasks 😉
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: Gnabberwocky on 25 Nov 2020, 19:31
The OMG turkey is having a rough time. Hopefully it'll be back next year.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: cesium133 on 25 Nov 2020, 19:38
Oh right, it's US Turkey day tomorrow.

(Canadian)
On Patreon, Jeph commented that he had forgotten about doing the turkey comic until the last moment, since he lives in Canada now.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: Case on 25 Nov 2020, 19:40
Comic:

Tehe ...  :laugh:
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: Oenone on 25 Nov 2020, 21:29
It usually is, my mother is a good cook 😊 She does tend to get a bit passive-agressive about how much work it is, and how much time she spent in the kitchen, and that it takes a day to do the cleanup... So this year we put our foot down and divvied up the tasks 😉

I like that. To tie back to this storyline, sometimes itís about changing your response to your familyís habits, not just them changing their habits. I see Dora and Sven both working to avoid the triggers for past conflict with each other, and May thinking through her response to Sven. #growth lol
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: Farideh on 25 Nov 2020, 22:51
Jeph is very into his characters experiencing growth 😊 I like that.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: Case on 25 Nov 2020, 23:31
Jeph is very into his characters experiencing growth 😊 I like that.

Well, the turkeys aren't talking about their junk this year. Guess that's progress ...
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: Gyrre on 26 Nov 2020, 00:16
Sven might not be in line for canonisation, but it occurs to me, yet again, to wonder exactly what it is he gets out of interacting with Dora, like, ever. A jealous kid sibling might have a tiny element of charm when you're both young, but at this point it's just rather pathetic, at least in as much as their dynamic colours seemingly every single interaction they have. Leaving aside the fact that he was a bit of a douche in the past, I don't really see why he needs her approval in any respect in the first place6, particularly when she remains so blind to her own flaws and doesn't ever seem to have done anything to improve herself.

Try living with said jealous kid sibling. Especially one who insists their older siblings were the ones who were spoiled and not their brat-ass.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: Farideh on 26 Nov 2020, 00:56
Jeph is very into his characters experiencing growth 😊 I like that.

Well, the turkeys aren't talking about their junk this year. Guess that's progress ...


That's because their junk was chopped off before they were shoved into the oven...
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: cybersmurf on 26 Nov 2020, 01:30
Oh right, it's US Turkey day tomorrow.

(Canadian)
On Patreon, Jeph commented that he had forgotten about doing the turkey comic until the last moment, since he lives in Canada now.

Well, personally, I like it. It's just so... 2020.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: pwhodges on 26 Nov 2020, 01:55
Comic up, site down

In case any people missed it, note that Jeph acknowledges the recent problems with the web site at the bottom of today's comic.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: Gyrre on 26 Nov 2020, 07:28
[Snip]
Oh them being siblings doesn't mean it's just okay, but (most) siblings are close enough or care enough for each other that such questionable actions are less offensive because they can trust each other to not act with intentional malice.
This largely depends on how dysfunctional your family is, --in some cases-- if one or more siblings has bothered working through any of the childhood crap, and in other cases if the one who got bipolar disorder and is borderline schizophrenic has acknowledged either and gone to a psychiatrist for help[1].

It usually is, my mother is a good cook 😊 She does tend to get a bit passive-agressive about how much work it is, and how much time she spent in the kitchen, and that it takes a day to do the cleanup... So this year we put our foot down and divvied up the tasks 😉

Everybody helping definitely helps. Learning how to cook your favorite dishes is also nice. So much knowledge has been lost already, so hang on to some of it is good. Even if it is just the perfect stuffing recipe. :lol:

[1]We all three got the hereditary depression issues, one's also boarderline schizophrenic (amongst other undiagnosed issues), and somehow I managed to be the only one w/o bipolar disorder. Yay just being depressed! ....Wait. Shit.

EDIT; I've been recently informed that my older brother only has mild depression. Apparently the mood swings were bog-standard alcoholism. Thankfully he quit drinking.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: Potato Farmer on 26 Nov 2020, 09:39
This largely depends on how dysfunctional your family is, --in some cases-- if one or more siblings has bothered working through any of the childhood crap, and in other cases if the one who got bipolar disorder and is borderline schizophrenic has acknowledged either and gone to a psychiatrist for help[1].

[1]We all three got the hereditary depression issues, one's also boarderline schizophrenic (amongst other undiagnosed issues), and somehow I managed to be the only one w/o bipolar disorder. Yay just being depressed! ....Wait. Shit.

Yeah, that's why I added the (most). I've got three siblings myself but my oldest brother and I just do not get along at all. We're both autistic but our individual traits are completely at odds. I'm strongly inclined towards neurotic tics and he's sensitive towards stimulation. The other way around he appears to be somewhat lacking in reflexive empathy and I react very poorly to what I perceive as egocentrism.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: Zebediah on 26 Nov 2020, 10:04
Yay just being depressed! ....Wait. Shit.

Hey, this year being already depressed turned out to be an advantage - I already had all the survival skills I needed to cope with isolation. “Got the corona blues? I have so much to teach you about getting through it!”
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: Gyrre on 26 Nov 2020, 10:22
Things I'm thankful for......
Well, my depression is usually manageable w/o medication.
I'm too stubborn to die, so no suicidal thoughts.
Mods that correct my periodically botched thread titles (thanks pwhodges/Cold :-D)
And forumites that tolerate my inane ramblings.

Yay just being depressed! ....Wait. Shit.

Hey, this year being already depressed turned out to be an advantage - I already had all the survival skills I needed to cope with isolation. ďGot the corona blues? I have so much to teach you about getting through it!Ē

This is true. Though there was a pointed where I probably should have beenon antidepressants in March and October.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: Marco on 26 Nov 2020, 10:30
It usually is, my mother is a good cook 😊 She does tend to get a bit passive-agressive about how much work it is, and how much time she spent in the kitchen, and that it takes a day to do the cleanup... So this year we put our foot down and divvied up the tasks 😉

Looks like a "Friends" Thanksgiving episode to me. Which, by the way, are the only things that make me be aware of Thanksgiving, besides Jeph's OMG Turkeys comics.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: Farideh on 26 Nov 2020, 18:05
Comic's up.

Don't be a snob Dora. Sven's songs might be in bad taste, but all his money has been earned legally and above board. It's not like the flower arrangements are funded by human trafficking.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: shanejayell on 26 Nov 2020, 18:40
May: "Wait a minute. Donating for my body fucked up Dora's wedding too? Well SHIT."

Hopefully no one tell her....
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: Romanticide on 26 Nov 2020, 20:15
By this point Dora has probably  throw enough stupid ideas for dire songs that she probably deserves that a cut of those goes to her wedding xD XD
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: DSL on 26 Nov 2020, 21:30
1) Know a guy who used to draw cartoons for Hustler. His wife was a teacher. She held up one of hubby's cartoons, smiled and said: "This paid for the new living room."
1a) Some of his tamer stuff gets merchandised by Hallmark. I saw one of his cards in the local Hallmark store. The rather prim-looking lady running the store said brightly: "That's our best seller!"
2) I was talking to the septic tank guy as a few years' worth of life's by-products flowed out of our septic tank and into his pump truck. The hose couplings did a decent job, but some smell still got through. I asked him if the smell ever got to him. "Smells like money to me," he said.
Pull the stick out, Dora.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: BenRG on 26 Nov 2020, 23:04
I've got a feeling that 'funding Dora and Tai's wedding' is going to be an arc of sorts. Enough characters are going to end up assisting from their own future event funds that someone is going to come up with the idea of a multiple wedding to maximise the pooling of funds to the best possible event despite the expenditures on someone else. Taira, Claireten, Daligold and Faybles weddings all at the same combined event?

You know, I do wonder if Dora's cynical ideas are the source of many of Sven's best song titles!
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: DaiJB on 27 Nov 2020, 00:45
The recording company that buys Sven's music would have people on the payroll whose misfortune it is to have to play it. Imagine the poor aspiring musician (who took the job just to make ends meet), after years of playing this dreck, finally meeting the author. Would Sven survive?  :-D
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: BenRG on 27 Nov 2020, 00:52
Here's a solid prediction: Sven actually records "I Went Down..." and it's a hit! "A welcome return to form after a dubious experimental phase", according to the pundits. Sven, being Sven, signs all the profits for the track over to Dora. He even insists that the dedication 'For Dora' appear on the liner notes.

Just how does Dora react to this?
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: Gyrre on 27 Nov 2020, 02:29
So, in light of Turkey Day being yesterday, if anyone's interested, here's the link to the Mashpee Wampanoag tribe's website. (https://mashpeewampanoagtribe-nsn.gov/donations) Yes, you can donate to the tribe if you're willing and able.

Without their help[1] in 1621, those Brownist Seperatists[2] would had starved to death.

[1]and help from Tisquantum "Squanto", the sole survivor of the village at Plymouth rock prior to the Pilgrim's arrival. He and Samoset had been escaping slavery in Spain at the time.
[2] the pilgrims weren't Puritans. I have no idea why we get taught that.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: Wingy on 27 Nov 2020, 06:47
Taira, Claireten, Daligold and Faybles weddings all at the same combined event?
Taira, obviously, and Faybles I'll sign up for.  The others still have things to work out before they get hitched.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 27 Nov 2020, 08:44
So, in light of Turkey Day being yesterday, if anyone's interested, here's the link to the Mashpee Wampanoag tribe's website. (https://mashpeewampanoagtribe-nsn.gov/donations) Yes, you can donate to the tribe if you're willing and able.

Without their help[1] in 1621, those Brownist Seperatists[2] would had starved to death.

One of my several-greats grandmothers was a Wampanoag.


Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: Farideh on 27 Nov 2020, 12:31
1) Know a guy who used to draw cartoons for Hustler. His wife was a teacher. She held up one of hubby's cartoons, smiled and said: "This paid for the new living room."
1a) Some of his tamer stuff gets merchandised by Hallmark. I saw one of his cards in the local Hallmark store. The rather prim-looking lady running the store said brightly: "That's our best seller!"
2) I was talking to the septic tank guy as a few years' worth of life's by-products flowed out of our septic tank and into his pump truck. The hose couplings did a decent job, but some smell still got through. I asked him if the smell ever got to him. "Smells like money to me," he said.
Pull the stick out, Dora.


Pecunia non olet (money doesn't smell) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pecunia_non_olet)
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: Roborat on 27 Nov 2020, 12:47
I think Sven just got his next song idea. He better give Dora writing credit, particularly if she doesn't want it.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: DSL on 27 Nov 2020, 16:19
The recording company that buys Sven's music would have people on the payroll whose misfortune it is to have to play it. Imagine the poor aspiring musician (who took the job just to make ends meet), after years of playing this dreck, finally meeting the author. Would Sven survive?  :-D
"Smells like money," as the septic tank guy said.
Or, as our artist was once wont to say: "How are those Bullshit Artistic Integrity Dollars spending at the grocery store?" Although I think he did draw a line in the sand on that.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: N.N. Marf on 27 Nov 2020, 17:03
Pecunia non olet (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pecunia_non_olet)
`Unusually large' transactions, tend to reek---say some nosier, but mine suggests the ranker scents, becoming more thoroughly clean, ought worry some.. Of course, intelligent laundrers avoid such error: to not the most perfect anolfaction, but a careful, trace scent, of a mild-mannered history inferred.
Title: Re: WCDT 4401-4405 (Nov 23th to Nov 27th, 2020)
Post by: snubnose on 30 Nov 2020, 07:32
I dont really like the last Sven-May arc.

It feels very contrived and forced to me.