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Title: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: Gyrre on 09 Jan 2021, 23:11
Here's hoping Faye and Bubbles start making more money.
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: Gyrre on 10 Jan 2021, 07:13
I'm glad someone clocked that reference.
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: Farideh on 10 Jan 2021, 12:23
Alas, I didn't get that reference (I assume you're talking about the 'nori sheets'?)
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: Gyrre on 10 Jan 2021, 15:26
Alas, I didn't get that reference (I assume you're talking about the 'nori sheets'?)

Yes.

If I remember to, I'll post a clip at the end of the week.
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: shanejayell on 10 Jan 2021, 17:16
Mugi from K-on, too.

I ALMOST want May's eyebrows to be removable.
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: MrNumbers on 10 Jan 2021, 18:08
Comic's up!

I love Sam's dad
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: Farideh on 10 Jan 2021, 18:23
D'awww!

I was worried there for a sec, but Jim came through :)
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: shanejayell on 10 Jan 2021, 19:00
Awwww.

Jim: "MILD cussing only!"
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: St.Clair on 10 Jan 2021, 19:18
They're all good dads, Bront.

well, maybe not Faye's
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: BenRG on 10 Jan 2021, 23:28
Suddenly, a lot of Sam's background makes a bit more sense. Jim just wanted Sam to grow up to be a socially responsible girl who stays out of the grind and finds her own path, didn't he?

Also, May? No, it isn't okay. You need to learn to get that horse to walk the tightrope. You'll be a better person for it.
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: Gyrre on 11 Jan 2021, 00:19
Mugi from K-on, too.

I ALMOST want May's eyebrows to be removable.
I just watched the clip you posted for her on the new appearance thread, and it'd be hilarious to hear that VA voice some of May's lines.
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: ihaveavoice on 11 Jan 2021, 01:00
JIM IS PRECIOUS MUST PROTEC
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: traroth on 11 Jan 2021, 08:53
They're all good dads, Bront.

well, maybe not Faye's

Committing suicide in front of your daughter is not really what can be called a nice gift for life. But I refuse to judge. The pain and despair he must have been in were obviously unbearable.
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: traroth on 11 Jan 2021, 08:57
Suddenly, a lot of Sam's background makes a bit more sense. Jim just wanted Sam to grow up to be a socially responsible girl who stays out of the grind and finds her own path, didn't he?

Also, May? No, it isn't okay. You need to learn to get that horse to walk the tightrope. You'll be a better person for it.

I can't understand that awkwardness around cussing. But my favorite Matrix character is the Merovingian, so who am I to judge?
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: DSL on 11 Jan 2021, 09:24
Wonder if Jim's dad was in the service. Jim seems to be living the quote attributed most often to John Quincy Adams:
"I am a warrior so that my son may be a merchant, so that his son may be a poet."
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 11 Jan 2021, 10:48
We will now judge the cussing.
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: Thrillho on 11 Jan 2021, 14:03
Suddenly, a lot of Sam's background makes a bit more sense. Jim just wanted Sam to grow up to be a socially responsible girl who stays out of the grind and finds her own path, didn't he?

Also, May? No, it isn't okay. You need to learn to get that horse to walk the tightrope. You'll be a better person for it.

There is no teeth in this argument because this is a tiny tiny point, but...

1. Why would that make her a better person, just for not swearing in front of a child?

2. I should look up that study I heard about that found that people who swear more are more honest and trustworthy...

3. My parents tried to shield me from swearing and make me not swear also, but I always felt like it was a bit ridiculous because once I went to school, like... there are other children on the playground, and they know how to say 'fuck.'
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: Mr_Rose on 11 Jan 2021, 14:20
2. I should look up that study I heard about that found that people who swear more are more honest and trustworthy...
Was it written by an Australian by any chance? :laugh:
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: DaiJB on 11 Jan 2021, 16:27
 :laugh:  It looks like May and Faye are more alike than either are willing to admit...
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: Gyrre on 11 Jan 2021, 17:19
Suddenly, a lot of Sam's background makes a bit more sense. Jim just wanted Sam to grow up to be a socially responsible girl who stays out of the grind and finds her own path, didn't he?

Also, May? No, it isn't okay. You need to learn to get that horse to walk the tightrope. You'll be a better person for it.

There is no teeth in this argument because this is a tiny tiny point, but...

1. Why would that make her a better person, just for not swearing in front of a child?

2. I should look up that study I heard about that found that people who swear more are more honest and trustworthy...

3. My parents tried to shield me from swearing and make me not swear also, but I always felt like it was a bit ridiculous because once I went to school, like... there are other children on the playground, and they know how to say 'fuck.'

And some kid is bound to reverse engineer 'sugar honey ice tea' once they learn about abbreviations.
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: shanejayell on 11 Jan 2021, 17:57
New comic up!

SKULLGRANNY! That is all.
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: Farideh on 11 Jan 2021, 18:30
Will the 39 year old Skullmaster then 'scull' her drink...?

I'll see myself out.
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: Gnabberwocky on 11 Jan 2021, 18:30
32-year-old Skullmaster finally getting married to her significant other, DEATHSPEWER, SPEWER OF DEATH

Will the 39 year old Skullmaster then 'scull' her drink...?

I'll see myself out.

And I will close the door behind you, because that was terrible. I am in mental pain.
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: Baz_Yat on 11 Jan 2021, 18:52
And some kid is bound to reverse engineer 'sugar honey ice tea' once they learn about abbreviations.

Yeah, hi, that would have been me... figured it out before I really knew about them, I'm autistic. I'm weirdly good at pattern analysis.
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: Farideh on 11 Jan 2021, 19:07
I didn't know about 'sugar honey ice tea' until I watched 'History of swear words' on Netflix (recommended, it's pretty funny). Probably has to do with the fact that I wasn't raised in an English speaking country.
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: awkwardness on 11 Jan 2021, 19:41
I don't know if it's good or bad that I can actually see Sam doing all of those things ad enjoying it.

The good news is she at least got to enjoy motherhood and grandmotherhood and continue her legacy through her grandchild
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: DaiJB on 11 Jan 2021, 20:08
Hmm, I wonder if there's another one in there:

30-something Skullmaster moping alone at a bar, wondering which dates are worse:
those who take one look at the Skull and make excuses to leave, or
those who decide she's "troubled" and get all "understanding"   :-P

At least those who laugh at her are easy to deal with - that's why she carries the Obsidian Femur of Grobulax...  :-D
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: Gus_Smedstad on 11 Jan 2021, 20:27
1. Why would that make her a better person, just for not swearing in front of a child?

May very much needs to learn some self-control. And to be aware of how other people feel about what she's saying.
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: Gus_Smedstad on 11 Jan 2021, 20:30
I, personally, would not use a valuable artifact like the Obsidian Femur of Grobulax on something as fetid as the dumpster of Ew'Gross. Though I strongly suspect that Skullmaster may be speaking figuratively, and she didn't actually use it as a shovel.
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: awkwardness on 11 Jan 2021, 21:01
Hmm, I wonder if there's another one in there:

30-something Skullmaster moping alone at a bar, wondering which dates are worse:
those who take one look at the Skull and make excuses to leave, or
those who decide she's "troubled" and get all "understanding"   :-P

At least those who laugh at her are easy to deal with - that's why she carries the Obsidian Femur of Grobulax...  :-D

Wait- wouldn't the ones who laugh be the ones that are compatible with her? They share a sense of humor and "get" her...it seems wrong to harm someone who actually enjoyed her quirkiness
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: sitnspin on 11 Jan 2021, 21:09
There is a difference between laughing at someone and laughing with someone.
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: Gnabberwocky on 11 Jan 2021, 22:43
May should get a big ol' Skullmaster spray right on her arm. I think it would be a good look for her.
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: BenRG on 11 Jan 2021, 23:20
I honestly think that this is the most 'classic' QC strip that I've seen in a while. It's silly, completely unrealistic and non-narrative but it is funny and you see what Jeph's saying: It would be a shame to see Sam lose that exuberance, imagination and unique approach to the world. She may stop wearing the mask after a while, but you hope that she never loses the spark that makes Skullmaster a thing!

Meanwhile, am I the only one who hopes that we see Sam start down the road to being 27-year-old Skullmaster (sans silly mask) in the strip? Just to prove that May and Faye have a significant influence on her aesthetic!
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: de_la_Nae on 11 Jan 2021, 23:25
GOD i needed SKULLMASTER, MASTER OF SKULLS tonight
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: Boxer on 12 Jan 2021, 01:23
mmm... I am picturing.
Dr Skullmaster MD. Orthopedic Surgeon, specialising in Cybernetic Replacement surgery.
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: BenRG on 12 Jan 2021, 02:51
Looking again at panel 3, May's fantasy failed boyfriend for Sam looks a lot like Sven. Is there a significance to this? When May thinks 'boyfriend', does she immediately default to him? Or specifically does her mind default to him for 'former boyfriend'?
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: Mr_Rose on 12 Jan 2021, 03:14
mmm... I am picturing.
Dr Skullmaster MD. Orthopedic Surgeon, specialising in Cybernetic Replacement surgery.
Surely she would have an M.Skull degree?
Looking again at panel 3, May's fantasy failed boyfriend for Sam looks a lot like Sven. Is there a significance to this? When May thinks 'boyfriend', does she immediately default to him? Or specifically does her mind default to him for 'former boyfriend'?
Is this still May’s imagination? I thought it was following on from Bubbles’s like and so still hers?
Edit: no, you’re right. The last three panels are directly below their narrators.
So… maybe?
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: snubnose on 12 Jan 2021, 03:29
2. I should look up that study I heard about that found that people who swear more are more honest and trustworthy...
Hrr, hrr.

I really have to wonder now, how exactly would one end up with such a conclusion ?!? How exactly do you measure the honesty and trustworthiness of a person ?

And even if its was true, there is a difference between statistics and the individual. I wouldnt conclude somebody is honest and trustworthy just because they swear a lot.

Not that I actually mind swearing. Especially not if its done well, i.e. original and funny.
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: ihaveavoice on 12 Jan 2021, 04:52
I didn't know about 'sugar honey ice tea' until I watched 'History of swear words' on Netflix (recommended, it's pretty funny). Probably has to do with the fact that I wasn't raised in an English speaking country.

I was raised in an English speaking country and had to reverse-engineer "sugar honey iced tea" real quick to know what Gyrre was talking about.
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: Wingy on 12 Jan 2021, 05:45
30-something Skullmaster moping alone at a bar, wondering which dates are worse:
Why would she be at a bar when there's sword practice to go to?
Quote
At least those who laugh at her are easy to deal with - that's why she carries the Obsidian Femur of Grobulax...  :-D
A knock on the knob with the OFoG does make it easy.  I could use one myself, but I've no place to store it between uses.
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: Gus_Smedstad on 12 Jan 2021, 09:23
How exactly do you measure the honesty and trustworthiness of a person ?

There’s a scientific scale. It runs “Liar, Dishonest, sometimes honest, usually honest, goddamned honest, super fucking honest.”
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 12 Jan 2021, 14:43
Panel 1: Three cool ladies who are smiling at Sam's enthusiasm (and about to become a wallpaper).

( wants almost 74 hat )
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: Farideh on 12 Jan 2021, 15:59
Looking again at panel 3, May's fantasy failed boyfriend for Sam looks a lot like Sven. Is there a significance to this? When May thinks 'boyfriend', does she immediately default to him? Or specifically does her mind default to him for 'former boyfriend'?


I find him to be a mix between Sven and Angus, personally.
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: Farideh on 12 Jan 2021, 18:40
Comic's up.

Union Robotics could potentially hire May for a couple of unpaid hours a week. It'll give May some more work experience for her resumé, and UR could act as a reference for any future employers.
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: Gnabberwocky on 12 Jan 2021, 19:25
"Penny for your thoughts, Sam--"

"YOUR PITIFUL CURRENCY IS WORTHLESS TO ME. SKULLMASTER, MASTER OF SKULLS DEALS ONLY USING THE BONES OF SKULLMASTER'S SLAIN FOES."
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: Farideh on 12 Jan 2021, 19:29
Or in Charon's obol (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charon%27s_obol) (money for the ferryman).
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: Gus_Smedstad on 12 Jan 2021, 19:46
I just have to point out that on a rice-and-beans diet, you're going to get scurvy anyway. Apparently soy beans have a moderate amount of vitamin C (I had to look that one up), but just about everything else is just trace amounts. As in, a normal serving gives you about 5% of the vitamin C you need.

Of course, since Faye is not in fact an 18th century sailor, should could always take vitamin C tablets. And probably should if that's really her diet.
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: Farideh on 12 Jan 2021, 19:53
I'm pretty sure it was mentioned in a previous comic that Faye takes supplements.
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: Oenone on 12 Jan 2021, 21:52
Also, I’m sure she gets free food/drinks at the coffee shop. It’s not great eating but she’s probably not getting scurvy.
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: BenRG on 12 Jan 2021, 23:12
Okay, so that confirms that Faye and Bubbles are in serious problems as to their cash flow. The point that Bubbles is making to Faye here is that they can't really help May when they're in a position where they seriously need help themselves!

Maybe the time has come to start reaching out to build up a customer base and maybe to get a regular retainer fee. Could the Advocacy Group maybe send clients their way? UR has low enough margins to be able to underbid most large maintenance providers and is local. GP offices near me are always on the look out for local care services to recommend to their patients so why shouldn't synthetics needing help require the same?
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: Wingy on 13 Jan 2021, 05:50
Or in Charon's obol (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charon%27s_obol) (money for the ferryman).
Don't pay the ferry man!  ;-)
ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kNwvIEQsg0
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: Sendaz on 13 Jan 2021, 06:15
Wonder if they could get funding for an apprenticeship program for reformed robots.
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: BenRG on 13 Jan 2021, 06:23
Wonder if they could get funding for an apprenticeship program for reformed robots.

Yes, if they and May all complete applications and assessments that are thiiis high (Points at Freedom Tower, NY). The actual process would take a few years to complete too.
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: traroth on 13 Jan 2021, 06:59
Under her hardened shell, Faye has a golden heart.
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: shanejayell on 13 Jan 2021, 07:09
I would think that Marten etc etc are helping make sure Faye isn't JUST eating beans & rice...

I would also suspect Mr Noodle is in there too.
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 13 Jan 2021, 08:52
If you cut out the beans, your farts will lose their ... impact.
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: Wingy on 13 Jan 2021, 09:52
Under her hardened shell, Faye has a golden heart.
She also appears to be learning that it's usually better to be nice and think of others carefully than to be a caustic, self-centered PITA.
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: Farideh on 13 Jan 2021, 18:13
Comic's up.

Clinton... What? Did you forget about the first part of the evening or something? I'm hoping that Elliot will set the record straight with him, but I doubt it.
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: Gnabberwocky on 13 Jan 2021, 18:40
Elliot just needs to tell him what's up. Yes, it will be awkward, but you know Clinton's not going to argue it, and it would be seriously beneficial to both of them.
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: Farideh on 13 Jan 2021, 18:50
That would be beneficial, yes. However, Elliot being Elliot...
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: shanejayell on 13 Jan 2021, 18:51
What a bunch of dorks.  :-D
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: Gus_Smedstad on 13 Jan 2021, 18:57
I am Clinton's Complete Lack of Empathy.

I'd like to think that Clinton would learn from the experience if Elliot spelled out what he did wrong, but I'm not really comprehending how Clinton is missing the obvious in the first place.

Spelling it out would be good for Elliot, too, since Elliot needs to learn some assertiveness.
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: Gyrre on 13 Jan 2021, 20:57
Oi vey, Clinton.

Under her hardened shell, Faye has a golden heart.
She also appears to be learning that it's usually better to be nice and think of others carefully than to be a caustic, self-centered PITA.

What's unlevened Greek flatbread got to do with Faye?   :clairedoge:
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: DaiJB on 13 Jan 2021, 21:17
Oh Dear...  :facepalm:

I can understand this, actually: I suspect that Clinton is someone who has to concentrate to exercise awareness of other people's feelings - and what goes first when you get drunk?  Besides the ability to control one's bladder, that is  :-D 

Well, he's learning , at least - and I reckon someone like Elliot has the patience to deal with the on-going learning process.
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: BenRG on 13 Jan 2021, 23:20
I think that Elliot is beginning to realise that he has had a lucky escape on this one. Clinton isn't necessarily a bad guy but his social awareness and his awareness of others' feelings is pretty weak. Given how sensitive Elliot is to these sort of things, that is probably not a very good combination.
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: Annemoon on 14 Jan 2021, 00:50
Oh nooo, that definitely got worse in the second half.. Hope Clinton get's his head outside of his ass.
Then there's to hoping that Elliot is going to tell him, but yeah.. he's Elliot. Communication problems are always hard to look at.
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: MrNumbers on 14 Jan 2021, 02:59
[Coldplay voice]
When you try your best but you don't succeed

Seriously though, I feel like people are going to dump on Clinton a lot and like, yes, fair, he's messing up a lot. But his heart's two steps ahead of his head here. He's going to have to deal with consequences he's doing his best to avoid. He's probably started from the worst place of a cast that includes Marigold in it.
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: Wingy on 14 Jan 2021, 05:38
Under her hardened shell, Faye has a golden heart.
She also appears to be learning that it's usually better to be nice and think of others carefully than to be a caustic, self-centered PITA.
What's unlevened Greek flatbread got to do with Faye?   :clairedoge:
Ooops!  Misplaced referent, mea culpa.  I was thinking about May, not Faye.  Bubbles still needs to beat Faye's brains in on a couple points.  May seems to be figuring it out.
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: sitnspin on 14 Jan 2021, 08:26
The problem in this situation, in my opinion, isn't a lack of empathy, it is a fundamentally different viewpoint. Clinton doesn't see what upset Elliot because it is not a thing that would upset him, nor is it a thing he would think about being potentially upsetting, it is just too outside his reference frame. And without Elliot telling him what upset him, there is no way for Clinton to know. I honestly think that if Elliot would just tell him and explain why it was upsetting, Clinton would understand and apologise, but until Elliot learns to communicate his feelings instead of just expecting other people to read his mind, this kind of thing will keep happening.
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: Christophelous on 14 Jan 2021, 11:08
I love that no one's hating on Clinton at this point.

The problem in this situation, in my opinion, isn't a lack of empathy, it is a fundamentally different viewpoint...

So the thing is, that's what a lack of empathy is, the inability to see and analyze the situation from another's viewpoint. I know the phrase "lack of empathy" gets thrown around a lot with terrible connotations, but in reality empathy is an ability that widely varies between people. Lacking empathy doesn't necessarily make you a bad person, though it can very easily contribute to making you a bad person if you never even try to understand another person's point of view. Clinton has made giant strides in developing his sense of empathy, but he is definitely not a natural empath. You're completely correct that the best solution for this is for Elliot to be open and honest, which is basically his kryptonite.

Honestly, I love the Clinton/Elliot dynamic if only because it's so good for each of their character growth. Clinton gets help becoming more empathetic while Elliot gets to learn that expressing his feelings can be good with the right person. Specifically with a person who is willing to listen and do their best to understand. Don't know how long this fledgling relationship will last, but if they each get that little something out of it, it'll be great!
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: sitnspin on 14 Jan 2021, 11:17
How can he be expected to analyse the situation from a perspective he isn't even aware exists? I don't think be unaware is the same as being unempathetic. Like I said, if he was made aware of how Elliot interpreted the situation, he would totally be able to empathise. But no one, no matter how empathic they are can imagine every possible human response to every possible stimuli.
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 14 Jan 2021, 11:23
Wonder if they could get funding for an apprenticeship program for reformed robots.

Welcome, new person with a good idea!
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: Gnabberwocky on 14 Jan 2021, 11:26
How can he be expected to analyse the situation from a perspective he isn't even aware exists?

I think Christophelous's point is that it requires empathy to know the perspective exists. To us, it was evident early that Elliot did not have a positive reaction, but Clinton just missed it. This was an honest mistake, and he deserves no hate for it, but an increased sense of empathy probably would have allowed him to notice that perspective, and thus react more effectively to it.
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: sitnspin on 14 Jan 2021, 11:47
And, like I said, no matter how empathic you are you can't be aware of every possible perspective. Empathy is the ability imagine how another person feels when made aware of it, it doesn't give you the ability to imagine all possibilities.

I agree that he missed the nonverbal cues at the time that Elliot was upset, partially due to being intoxicated and partially because Elliot was being actively evasive about his feelings. But that is a different issue entirely.
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: Gnabberwocky on 14 Jan 2021, 12:01
Okay, I can agree with all that.

That said, your definition of empathy doesn't cover Clinton missing the social cues. What would your term for the ability to do that consistently be? I feel like it extends beyond awareness, because it does require some amount of conscious thought to decide what those cues mean.
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: sitnspin on 14 Jan 2021, 12:21
I think the ability to read cues is wholly separate from empathy. Plenty of psychopaths are very good at reading people and picking up nonverbal communication, but one could hardly call them empathetic. And plenty of people have difficulty understanding or noticing social cues while still having a lot of empathy for others.
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: Dandi Andi on 14 Jan 2021, 12:47
It sounds to me like the conversation here is about the distinction between capacity and exercize. To say that Clinton lacks empathy, it implies that he lacks the capacity to empathize with Elliot. And that just isn't true. He may be failing to demonstrate empathy for Elliot, but that's because Elliot isn't communicating with him.

It's also important to remember that we have a perspective that Clinton doesn't. Just because we see things doesn't mean Clinton does or that he should have been expected to.
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: Farideh on 14 Jan 2021, 12:57
That is true. It's easy to forget that we are basically omniscient when we are reading the comic (and even then we get into plenty of discussions about what something 'means').


It's the same for watching movies/series/reading books as well. Many is the time that I've yelled 'just talk to each other!' at the TV screen  ;D
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: Christophelous on 14 Jan 2021, 13:01
I think the ability to read cues is wholly separate from empathy. Plenty of psychopaths are very good at reading people and picking up nonverbal communication, but one could hardly call them empathetic. And plenty of people have difficulty understanding or noticing social cues while still having a lot of empathy for others.

I can concede that. Closest terminology I could find was "social cognition". Helps me make sense of myself, too. I'm super empathetic, to the point that watching awkward movies and shows makes me physically uncomfortable, but I miss a lot of social cues. But I still think that both empathy and social cognition are difficult skills for Clinton, and that his interactions with Elliot are primed to help continue his progress with these skills.
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: Gyrre on 14 Jan 2021, 17:52
On top of everything else Clinton was also drunk.

And he's definitely not the heightened-inhibitors type of drunk.
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: Farideh on 14 Jan 2021, 18:07
Comic's up.

Well done Elliot! Clinton: this is the part where you apologize.
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: Gnabberwocky on 14 Jan 2021, 19:15
Can we all take a quick moment to appreciate how much character progression this is for Elliot?

Ok, thanks, you may proceed.
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: MGL on 14 Jan 2021, 19:16
So this might be me just being stupid, but I went back and checked the pages when Clinton asked Brun about to whom else she might be attracted to (page 4382) and he specifically asks "...are there any guys you are attracted to right now?", in other words he doesn't mention Elliot in any way.  When he informs Elliot about this (page 4384), he also specifically says that he asked and she replied "...she's not 'tracted to any dudes right now!", once again, not mentioning Elliot in the statement.  So Clinton didn't put Elliot out in any way as far as I can tell, instead he asked a generic question, and informed Elliot about the answer he received to said generic question without Brun having any knowledge that he could have been asking for Elliot.  I'm trying to figure out how that is making Elliot upset and drawing a blank, but again, I could just be stupid.
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: Fuzzlepuzzle on 14 Jan 2021, 19:28
So this might be me just being stupid, but I went back and checked the pages when Clinton asked Brun about to whom else she might be attracted to (page 4382) and he specifically asks "...are there any guys you are attracted to right now?", in other words he doesn't mention Elliot in any way.  When he informs Elliot about this (page 4384), he also specifically says that he asked and she replied "...she's not 'tracted to any dudes right now!", once again, not mentioning Elliot in the statement.  So Clinton didn't put Elliot out in any way as far as I can tell, instead he asked a generic question, and informed Elliot about the answer he received to said generic question without Brun having any knowledge that he could have been asking for Elliot.  I'm trying to figure out how that is making Elliot upset and drawing a blank, but again, I could just be stupid.

I think Elliot didn't want to know whether or not Brun was attracted to him. (Take that with a grain of salt, though, because I don't really understand why he didn't want to know, so much that he was upset/offended[?] when someone told him. This whole storyline has been a little confusing for me, especially because most forum-goers seem to empathize/align with Elliot's view more than Clinton's in this situation.)
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: shanejayell on 14 Jan 2021, 19:29
Ah, Renee, still sorta a jerk at times.
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: Theta9 on 14 Jan 2021, 19:36
I forgot who that guy in panel 5 is.

Also, going back to Sam, my favorite Sam moment was when she walked it to Chad, when he was a dick to her about buying the Blue Yeti mic.
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: Christophelous on 14 Jan 2021, 20:08
Love the awkwardness that is three not-quite-bystanders to Elliot's character progression of talking about FEELINGS!!

I forgot who that guy in panel 5 is.


That is Hot Dan, who was Sh**ty Dan, Renee's new friend with benefits or maybe boyfriend

Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: BenRG on 14 Jan 2021, 23:15
To me, the last panel is the best in this strip. Basically, Renee telling Brun that she want to be in the middle of this emotional moment, either because she'll make it worse or because she really, really doesn't want to become a bit player in a romcom. In response, Dan essentially whines: "But I'm hungry!"

Clinton has been inducted into one of Jeph's key themes in the entire history of this strip, in my opinion at least. You might think you are helping but do ask the person you're trying to help first. You might not be helping after all!
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: Gyrre on 14 Jan 2021, 23:44
Renee: "I'm not going into that Swamp of Sorrows."
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: Gyrre on 14 Jan 2021, 23:54
Uggggggggghhhhhhhh [angrily]GOO~GLE!!!

Couldn't find a clip on YT or DailyMotion, so here's the wiki entry (https://flcl.fandom.com/wiki/Commander_Amarao) explaining the nori eyebrows poll option.
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: Farideh on 14 Jan 2021, 23:57
So this might be me just being stupid, but I went back and checked the pages when Clinton asked Brun about to whom else she might be attracted to (page 4382) and he specifically asks "...are there any guys you are attracted to right now?", in other words he doesn't mention Elliot in any way.  When he informs Elliot about this (page 4384), he also specifically says that he asked and she replied "...she's not 'tracted to any dudes right now!", once again, not mentioning Elliot in the statement.  So Clinton didn't put Elliot out in any way as far as I can tell, instead he asked a generic question, and informed Elliot about the answer he received to said generic question without Brun having any knowledge that he could have been asking for Elliot.  I'm trying to figure out how that is making Elliot upset and drawing a blank, but again, I could just be stupid.


Have a read through this WCDT thread (https://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,34755.0.html), it was discussed into the ground when the comics were published.
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: awkwardness on 15 Jan 2021, 02:01
Much respect for Dan, his logic there is actually really good as neither knows him except possibly by reputation so he could go in there, get the croissants, then leave quickly so the ladies don't get dragged into a potentially explosive and likely horrific cringe-worthy levels of dancing around a foursome of crushes

dangit, now I want croissants! gotta find a cheap bakery that sells them :(
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: oddtail on 15 Jan 2021, 05:49
dangit, now I want croissants!

To paraphrase Bruce Banner: that's my secret. I *always* want croissants.
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: Oenone on 15 Jan 2021, 14:17
Ah, Renee, still sorta a jerk at times.

How is she being a jerk? She’s not interrupting them and resisting going into Mom mode by not getting sucked into their bog of feelings. Plus she’s also low key protecting Brun from getting sucked in as well.
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 16 Jan 2021, 16:58
Welcome, new people!
Title: Re: WCDT 4436-4440 (the 11th through 15th of January, 2021)
Post by: Gus_Smedstad on 17 Jan 2021, 12:31
I think Elliot did kind of a half-assed job of explaining the problem. No mention of "when you asked Brun about how she felt about you, it made me feel like you weren't interested in me, and that hurt."

Which Clinton should have been able to figure out without prompting. Elliot's made pretty clear that he has no confidence in this area, and is easily hurt.