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Title: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Farideh on 02 May 2021, 18:21
A new week, a new WCDT. No poll, sorry.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Farideh on 02 May 2021, 18:22
New comic.

Mar bear is rolling in it! Good thing she's talking to Hanners about budgeting, rather than spending it all on anime (though would that really be such a bad thing?)
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: sitnspin on 02 May 2021, 18:46
As a general rule, a streaming career is short and unstable. She'd be smart to save as much as she can while it lasts.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: zioninavision on 02 May 2021, 18:52
I wasn't sure whether this would ever actually be included somewhere in the story :) :)    A very welcome surprise!  Maybe she will help Faye and Bubbles somehow, or, encourage Winslow or May to become a v tuber as well!  the possibilities really are endless!
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Farideh on 02 May 2021, 19:01
As a general rule, a streaming career is short and unstable. She'd be smart to save as much as she can while it lasts.


True. Time to do some investing.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Gus_Smedstad on 02 May 2021, 19:04
Yeah, money management's a pretty important skill. It's always possible to squander any amount of money if you're not careful.

Also, it's not really clear what a "LOT a lot" is. Saving my first $20k was a big deal, but it sure wasn't going to set me up for life.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: DaiJB on 02 May 2021, 19:06
Yay Hanners! And Mar-bear!

Wow - This is Hannelore, daughter of billionaires, saying "That is a lot."  :-o - if anyone knows the definition of "a lot", it's Hanners. 

(I imagine an obvious first concern is making sure the tax-man is happy  :-P)
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Farideh on 02 May 2021, 19:17
Then again, Hannelore isn't blind to the world around her. She knows that she's a billionaire, and she knows what constitutes as 'a lot' for people with a 'normal' income.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: shanejayell on 02 May 2021, 20:18
Even if Mari's a HUGE streamer, would Hanners really be in awe of the money? Considering her background?
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: DaiJB on 02 May 2021, 20:30
"time to buy a speedboat"
Marigold can hang out with Steve  :-D
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: sitnspin on 02 May 2021, 20:51
Even if Mari's a HUGE streamer, would Hanners really be in awe of the money? Considering her background?

Like Farideh said, Hanners can recognise what is a lot of money to average people, even if she is unfathomably wealthy herself. It's not the amount per say that is notable, it is the amount in this context.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: MrNumbers on 02 May 2021, 21:36
Okay but how
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: flondrix on 02 May 2021, 23:18
Then again, Hannelore isn't blind to the world around her. She knows that she's a billionaire, and she knows what constitutes as 'a lot' for people with a 'normal' income.

She's been on that horizon-expanding trip around the world, brushing yaks, cleaning latrines and tidying up Sealab 2020.  Finally, what Dora is paying her should give her some idea of what "normal people" earn in Northampton, if there are any "normal people" in Northampton.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Gyrre on 03 May 2021, 05:05
Then again, Hannelore isn't blind to the world around her. She knows that she's a billionaire, and she knows what constitutes as 'a lot' for people with a 'normal' income.

She's been on that horizon-expanding trip around the world, brushing yaks, cleaning latrines and tidying up Sealab 2020.  Finally, what Dora is paying her should give her some idea of what "normal people" earn in Northampton, if there are any "normal people" in Northampton.
'Normal' is both a statistical improbability and a relative term.

I wasn't sure whether this would ever actually be included somewhere in the story :) :)    A very welcome surprise!  Maybe she will help Faye and Bubbles somehow, or, encourage Winslow or May to become a v tuber as well!  the possibilities really are endless!
She could promote Union Robotics onstream. Word of mouth is one hell of a thing, especially for small businesses.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: flondrix on 03 May 2021, 09:15
'Normal' is both a statistical improbability and a relative term.

It's also a unit vector perpendicular to a surface.

Emily might point that out if she were around, and re-enforce my point about there not being any normal people in Northampton.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Mr_Rose on 03 May 2021, 09:35
Yeah, everyone leans at least a little, one way or the other. The trouble is the ones that end up leaning so far they fall on their face then curse the earth for attacking them…
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 03 May 2021, 09:39
OK Farideh, there's your next poll.
Who is the most normal person in Northampton?

I nominate owner-of-Rupert.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: flondrix on 03 May 2021, 12:56
OK Farideh, there's your next poll.
Who is the most normal person in Northampton?

I nominate owner-of-Rupert.

Remind me...who is Rupert?

BTW, I binge-read a bunch of old QCs and Hannelore was referring to Tai and Dora when she said "We're working on that technology!"  (In reference to cute babies.)

Do we have a pet "ship" name for them?  If not, it has to be Tora.

Tora Tora Tora!
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Gnabberwocky on 03 May 2021, 13:29
Remind me...who is Rupert?

Rupert was the big dog (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=4244) who barked at Millefieulle Millefueille Millefeiulle Mille and Brun on their walk in the park.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Farideh on 03 May 2021, 14:17
OK Farideh, there's your next poll.
Who is the most normal person in Northampton?

I nominate owner-of-Rupert.


Thanks, I'll remember this for next time :D


Also: define 'normal'.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: SpanielBear on 03 May 2021, 15:47
OK Farideh, there's your next poll.
Who is the most normal person in Northampton?

I nominate owner-of-Rupert.


Thanks, I'll remember this for next time :D


Also: define 'normal'.

The standard by which everyone else is defined- grumpier than-, more childish than-, snarkier than-, less likely to commit crimes than-. The perfectly grey and neutral figure, that by dint of the grinding of more stand-out characters against their rough edges has become eroded into a smooth, frictionless shape in the narrative. Someone unable to influence or inspire the plot because conflict simply slides off the surfaces of their formless character.

By which I mean it’s Marten. Obviously.  :-D
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Farideh on 03 May 2021, 18:39
New comic.

Marigold is me. I don't want a lot of money, I want enough money (to pay for necessities and some fun stuff).
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Gnabberwocky on 03 May 2021, 19:30
It's a little inconvenient that Marigold's streaming career took off now, rather than a few weeks back, because she maybe could have paid for a new body for May. As it is, I wonder where that money will end up. Union Robotics? The AI rights foundation? New suspension for Greg the dump truck?
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: starkruzr on 03 May 2021, 19:33
as someone who has had to struggle with money before I've never understood this attitude. you can burn through a LOT of fucking cash doing incredibly sensible, non-"influencer" things like buying a home, putting money toward retirement, putting more money toward a theoretical children's college fund, taking care of friends' and families' debts, etc.

luckily it seems like Hannelore is going to handle Marigold's anxiety about all this expertly.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Farideh on 03 May 2021, 20:01
From the looks of it, before she became a streaming sensation, Marigold had an income that was sufficient for her lifestyle. Now she has way more than she needs, and she never considered what she would do with an unexpected windfall. Putting it in a savings account until she figures that out is a good plan.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Shjade on 03 May 2021, 22:07
OK Farideh, there's your next poll.
Who is the most normal person in Northampton?

I nominate owner-of-Rupert.

There are a lot of normal people, I imagine. Most people are normal; that's what the word suggests, after all.

Of the main cast, though?

...

Probably Tai? I'm gonna say Tai.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: questionablydiscontent on 03 May 2021, 22:10
It's a little inconvenient that Marigold's streaming career took off now, rather than a few weeks back, because she maybe could have paid for a new body for May. As it is, I wonder where that money will end up. Union Robotics? The AI rights foundation? New suspension for Greg the dump truck?
And if it had happened back then, Sven wouldn't have donated to May's chassis... :psyduck: the tiiiimiiiing
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: awkwardness on 03 May 2021, 23:12
It's a little inconvenient that Marigold's streaming career took off now, rather than a few weeks back, because she maybe could have paid for a new body for May. As it is, I wonder where that money will end up. Union Robotics? The AI rights foundation? New suspension for Greg the dump truck?

...not really. It might actually be why she's in turmoil: she had money and could do something with it but didn't want to showoff to people and was concerned about hurting her relationships with her friends.

Seriously, this is a legitimate issue: she didn't want to offend her friends by spending money while they are either struggling to get work or who were OK but not well-off. She went to Hanners who is the one person in the cast who has money, knows how to restrain herself, and isn't afraid to splurge when she needs to splurge
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: awkwardness on 03 May 2021, 23:13
I wonder if that's a jab at guys like the Angry Video Game Nerd who did just that: made a lot of money from his playing and reviewing old videogames.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Gyrre on 04 May 2021, 02:34
Remind me...who is Rupert?

Rupert was the big dog (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=4244) who barked at Millefieulle Millefueille Millefeiulle Mille and Brun on their walk in the park.
:laugh: No worries on the spelling. I only ever get it right because I cheat by way of copy-pasting from Wikipedia after it corrects my spelling. :laugh:
I had forgotten Millefeuille meant 'thousand sheets'.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: flondrix on 04 May 2021, 06:49
There are a lot of normal people, I imagine. Most people are normal; that's what the word suggests, after all.
There are many, many normal people.  Just not in Northampton: https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3887 (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3887)

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Of the main cast, though?

...

Probably Tai? I'm gonna say Tai.
Someone with no friends, only exes and f---buddies, who gets stoned off her gourd at work on a regular basis?  That sounds Northampton, not normal.

BTW, I used to know how to insert a link such that the visible text was something pithy rather than the HTML.  Now I can't figure out how to do that.  How is it done again?
Alternatively, is there a way to insert an image from my disk instead of from a URL?  I had clipped just the last panel from the comic I cited above, and was going to include that in my reply, but I couldn't find a way to shove an actual image into the image tag, only a URL, and inserting the whole comic seemed a bit much.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Gus_Smedstad on 04 May 2021, 08:07
From the discussion, “a LOT a lot” isn’t enough to retire on. It’s not PewDiePie money. “Put some towards savings” means they’re thinking of it in terms of continuing income, not a lump sum to live on.

Let’s say you suddenly made $100k from a month of streaming. $100k a month means $1.2 million a year, which is enough to live a life of moderate luxury, but $100k by itself isn’t going to set you up for life, and you definitely should save most of it.

In contrast, $10 million is won-the-lottery money. Sensibly invested, that’s enough to live on very comfortably for the rest of your life. The conversation in today’s strip would be completely different.

If we’re talking $100k, Marigold’s reaction is a bit irrational. There are, as starkruzr said, a lot of basic expenses that $100k won’t begin to cover. You don’t start fretting over Sonic The Hedgehog swimming pools until you’ve blown way past enough money to buy a house.

Yet, it’s kind of believable. If you’ve been scraping by, it’s easy to see $100k as infinite money. It’s a lot of money for now even if it isn’t a lot of money for the rest of your life.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Gus_Smedstad on 04 May 2021, 08:15
BTW, I used to know how to insert a link such that the visible text was something pithy rather than the HTML.  Now I can't figure out how to do that.  How is it done again?
You use BBCode. The exact format is [ URL= target url ] text to display [ / url ]. With the spaces removed.

You can’t just insert an image from your disk, since that would mean this board would have to store it. Rather, you upload your image to an image hosting site, like Imgur, and then link to that.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: flondrix on 04 May 2021, 09:12
BTW, I used to know how to insert a link such that the visible text was something pithy rather than the HTML.  Now I can't figure out how to do that.  How is it done again?
You use BBCode. The exact format is [ URL= target url ] text to display [ / url ]. With the spaces removed.

You can’t just insert an image from your disk, since that would mean this board would have to store it. Rather, you upload your image to an image hosting site, like Imgur, and then link to that.

Thank you.  Do I put quotes around the target url?  Some sites do it that way.  And your latter statement explains why, when I look at old threads, they are full of references to images that no longer exist. :-(

I do have a Flickr account, but supposedly the rules of that site are that it is for photos you have taken yourself, not edits of someone else's artwork.

Anyway, when I was binge re-reading, I came across a comic where Pintsize says something prophetic to Faye, referring to Angus:  "Leave him for a robot!  A GIRL robot!" (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2262)  Bubbles won't appear for another 741 comics.  I'm not sure what that comes out to in real world time, but I suspect that Jeph had something in mind.

(And it looks like quotes around the target URL are not necessary.)
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: pwhodges on 04 May 2021, 09:41
BTW, I used to know how to insert a link such that the visible text was something pithy rather than the HTML.  Now I can't figure out how to do that.  How is it done again?

[url=<put url here>]<put text here>[/url]
Do not put quotes round the url - in this forum software that breaks things.

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Alternatively, is there a way to insert an image from my disk instead of from a URL?

Sorry, no.  We do not have any disk-space budget to allow uploading of images to the forum.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: dutchrvl on 04 May 2021, 10:08
I see a lot of replies here to the extent of "Hanners has a shit-ton of money", but has it ever actually been established taht Hanners herself has that much money?

I've read all of QC a few times now, and granted it has been quite a while I did a complete read-through, but I don't recall the above being established. Yes she has very, very wealthy parents, but we should all know that that doesn't automatically mean Hanners has a lot of money herself.

She did very early on comment on having more than sufficient to live on, but if I recall correctly that was more because she was living very simply with minimal furniture and saved most of what she made from counting things. EVen though she got WInslow a chassis and went on a long trip, I don't think it's enough to assume she is filthy rich herself.

Unless I forgot that fact being established somewhere, in which case I have wasted 5 minutes writing a pointless post :D 
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Mr_Rose on 04 May 2021, 10:18
Yeah, it really hasn’t. I mean, she is the heir to two mega wealthy individuals and probably has about zero chance of ever becoming destitute, but she always gave the impression of deliberately not living off her parents’ largesse.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: dutchrvl on 04 May 2021, 10:29
Right. Sure, she probably has access to wealth if she would ever desire it (through her father at least), but so far it has mostly been implied that she hasn't done so yet.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: SeaWoodStage on 04 May 2021, 12:03
When Hanners said "That ...is a lot" I sort of assumed she meant by normal standards. I was thinking maybe Marigold was showing her a figure between 200k - 400k. Like - a huge amount, but not actually overwhelming? If I were Marigold's friend, I'd advise her to just buy a flat/apartment.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: flondrix on 04 May 2021, 12:05
He job of "counting things" was actually more like "forensic accounting", and I suspect that if Hanners had turned her idiot-savant type skills to investing she could have made bank.  On failing banks.  Because she, like, would know which banks were going to fail.  And how to invest in that.

Do we know approximately when QC history diverged from ours?  Have there been any references to any financial crises that match up to real ones, or any real world presidents?  I am so unhip I do not know which of the bands and artists Marten, Dora, and Tai talk about are real.  Bubbles has mentioned the Beatles, at least.  They haven't had a COVID-19 outbreak and Donald Trump has never been mentioned that I can recall.  Their California real estate is insanely priced, and we know that their world includes Craig's List and Goatse (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1829), so there are some common developments.

Edit: OMG, it turns out that the guy in the Goatse picture is named "Kirk" in both universes! (https://xiphias.livejournal.com/650080.html)
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: cesium133 on 04 May 2021, 12:12
QC history is a little ambiguous. Someone a while ago tried to calculate the time line. I seem to recall the “present day” in QC corresponding to something like 2006 or so.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Shjade on 04 May 2021, 13:11
Of the main cast, though?

...

Probably Tai? I'm gonna say Tai.
Someone with no friends, only exes and f---buddies, who gets stoned off her gourd at work on a regular basis?  That sounds Northampton, not normal.
At work in the college library, which is a pretty low-stakes gig that she takes about as seriously as needed and no more than that, with a relationship network that's lacking in intimacy but broad on genial connections? I dunno, sounds pretty normal to me, at least when compared to a guy who lives with an AI in a tiny military-grade chassis obsessed with porn, a fairly young woman who owns and runs her own successful coffee shop whose brother is wealthy off of love songs and jingles he writes and sells, a recovering alcoholic who found love and self-improvement through working for an illegal robot fighting ring...

QC has a lot of highly unrealistic content in it, and Tai doesn't have as much of that in her composition. Her quirks are, by comparison, pretty normal. *shrugs* Anyway, just my opinion, and "normal" is pretty hard to pin down to begin with.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: flondrix on 04 May 2021, 14:16
Tai does sound like someone you might encounter in Northampton in Massachusetts in our timeline--but that's still not normal.

When I said there are no normal people in Northampton, I wasn't just referring to Jeph's fictional version of it.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Farideh on 04 May 2021, 14:18
I don't think Hannelore's wealth was ever explicitly mentioned, but she doesn't think twice about:

- buying Winslow a new chassis
- jumping on a plane to confront her mother
- traveling around the world for several months to work through her issues

So... Most likely she isn't scraping to get by.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: flondrix on 04 May 2021, 15:14
Serendipity; I just happened to re-read this comic which touches on her acknowledging her "privilege", but this is before she had the final falling out with her mother:
(https://questionablecontent.net/comics/3504.png)
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 04 May 2021, 16:34
Owner-of-Rupert has a cool dog and wants to get to know Brün better. I'd say that qualifies as 'normal'.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Emperor Norton on 04 May 2021, 17:32
I see a lot of replies here to the extent of "Hanners has a shit-ton of money", but has it ever actually been established taht Hanners herself has that much money?

I've read all of QC a few times now, and granted it has been quite a while I did a complete read-through, but I don't recall the above being established. Yes she has very, very wealthy parents, but we should all know that that doesn't automatically mean Hanners has a lot of money herself.

She did very early on comment on having more than sufficient to live on, but if I recall correctly that was more because she was living very simply with minimal furniture and saved most of what she made from counting things. EVen though she got WInslow a chassis and went on a long trip, I don't think it's enough to assume she is filthy rich herself.

Unless I forgot that fact being established somewhere, in which case I have wasted 5 minutes writing a pointless post :D

Even if she herself is "FILTHY" rich, most people don't take world spanning trips to find themselves. They don't have the disposable income for that. I do imagine she has some access to money outside of what she normally spends.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Mr_Rose on 04 May 2021, 18:24
Oh, Marigold, never change.
Of course now Dora’s going to go looking and then Tai’s going to get weirded out by that, and then Dale will catch wind of it and chaos will ensue when it turns out Momo was the one selling nudes all along…
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Sorflakne on 04 May 2021, 18:58
"The Internet is really really greeeeat."

"FOR PORN."
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Salty on 04 May 2021, 19:01
Is having an OnlyFans more reputable than being a Vtuber?

Discuss.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: shanejayell on 04 May 2021, 19:06
Huh.

One wonders if Marten's Mom has a Onlyfans, and if that has come up...
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: dreed on 04 May 2021, 19:19
Han is beloved daughter of a multi billioner.
It's silly to discuss whether she is rich herself or not. Her wealth exist in completely different realm than regular people.

If she walks without cc, cash, into most expensive hotel on earth, as long as she can prove that she is who she is she will stay in suite for "free"
And if she wants to buy a chocolate bar in local coffee shop, she needs to worry if she has cash on her or she transfered enough to her debit card or if she has spare debt on her cc she manually pays off.
If she wants a new Ferrari, again, she has no need for money to get it.
Han lives regular life, probably budgets her monthly expenses based on her coffee shop wages and the counting gig she has/had on the side.
But at moment notice she can access to tens of millions of dollars worth of goods and services


Anyway
Today's comic.

Bad bad form from Han.  Merigold is uncomfortable about her income and even to Dora, Han should have not said anything. It's really really rude.

Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Torlek on 04 May 2021, 19:41
Huh.

One wonders if Marten's Mom has a Onlyfans, and if that has come up...

Veronica had been at her profession long enough she certainly owned VeronicaVance.com (there's at least two characters that admitted to fapping to her on the Internet and Dora had pinups) and may have even owned her own small studio. If she's got an OnlyFans now it's just for the lulz.

Is having an OnlyFans more reputable than being a Vtuber?

Discuss.

I would argue it's probably safer to have an OnlyFans than it is to be a Vtuber. You get doxxed on your OnlyFans, you might lose a job and be shunned by your family depending on how Puritanical of a bent they are. You get doxxed as a streaming persona and you get swatted and/or deranged stalkers.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Farideh on 04 May 2021, 19:46
I don't know what OnlyFans is. Do I WANT to know?

Oh dear Marigold, you're digging yourself into a hole here. It would've been much better if Hanners hadn't told Dora about what they were doing. On the other hand, you don't go to a coffee shop for privacy.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Gus_Smedstad on 04 May 2021, 19:48
[url=<put url here>]<put text here>[/url]
It's worth noting that quoting a message that does something you want to do can be really informative. Because the quote will show the proper BBCode.

For example, I had no idea how to suppress the code-parsing, as you did there. After quoting your message, I now know about the [nobbc] tag.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: sitnspin on 04 May 2021, 19:49
The irony is that the wealthier you are, the more likely you are to not have to pay for things.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Gus_Smedstad on 04 May 2021, 19:51
I don't know what OnlyFans is. Do I WANT to know?
I gather it's a sexy photos site. Which is somehow monetized, so you can get money for posting your photos.

That's as much as I've learned through osmosis. Referring to an "OnlyFans" photo is a common meme these days, and it's pretty clear what they mean.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Farideh on 04 May 2021, 20:10
The irony is that the wealthier you are, the more likely you are to not have to pay for things.


Like taxes  :-\
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: flondrix on 04 May 2021, 20:38
"The Internet is really really greeeeat."

"FOR PORN."

The Internet is for porn,
The Internet is for porn,
Why you think the net was born? PORN, PORN, PORN!


Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Potato Farmer on 04 May 2021, 20:43
I don't know what OnlyFans is. Do I WANT to know?
I gather it's a sexy photos site. Which is somehow monetized, so you can get money for posting your photos.

That's as much as I've learned through osmosis. Referring to an "OnlyFans" photo is a common meme these days, and it's pretty clear what they mean.

You can think of it as similar to Twitch, except aside from streams it can also be used for photos, videos, and livechat.

And unlike Twitch you can only access content you're paying for, which is part of the reason why it's popular in the adult entertainment industry. It can also be used for non-sexual content, of course, but most of the time there are other services which are more suitable for that due to being larger and more well-known.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: SomeGuy84 on 04 May 2021, 21:01
On page 4492 Clinton's mom says she has about 40 thousand subscribers
On page 4493 Clinton's mom says her friend Burger Oni just broke 200 thousand (implying subscribers)
On page 4497 Marigold says she should get online and see if she can join Clinton's mom's stream. This is followed by Clinton's mom saying that Burger Oni has just got online and wants to meet Clinton.

So from this we can infer that Marigold is Burger Oni and has over 200 thousand subscribers

While we don't know what streaming looks like in the world of QC we can make estimates based on our world. On Twitch a subscriber typically pays $5.00 per month and typically half of that goes to the streamer.

So on that basis, with 200 000 subscribers, at $2.50 per month, Marigold is pulling in about a half million per month.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Farideh on 04 May 2021, 21:06
Then again, look at YouTube. You can subscribe to a channel without paying a cent.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Shjade on 04 May 2021, 21:28
Tai does sound like someone you might encounter in Northampton in Massachusetts in our timeline--but that's still not normal.

When I said there are no normal people in Northampton, I wasn't just referring to Jeph's fictional version of it.

Except I don't live in Northampton and she sounds normal to me.

Today's comic: Dora being a good supportive friend, nice.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Gus_Smedstad on 04 May 2021, 22:06
So on that basis, with 200 000 subscribers, at $2.50 per month, Marigold is pulling in about a half million per month.

I think the only safe assumption is that Marigold is making as much money as Jeph wants her to make for the purposes of the plot.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Jimor on 05 May 2021, 04:20
Then again, look at YouTube. You can subscribe to a channel without paying a cent.

I expect Jeph knows the difference, but on the other hand, the *vast* majority of people are going to understand "subscribe" in the YouTube sense rather than the Twitch sense, so it's possible he used that sense of the word for greatest common understanding. On the other other hand, his audience probably tends towards people who know more about both platforms. Hard to tell what he means until he confirms one way or another (or it never comes up again :P )

Re: Only Fans, I have a couple of streamer friends who use it. As somebody said above, it's technically a site you can use for any kind of personal content, but lewds and nudes tend to be what people use it for most. Some choose to keep it short of nudity, some don't. They're also really strict about complying with age confirmation/identification (as they should be). One friend had her page pulled down when her license expired until she could renew it, even though technically they had already confirmed her age with the previously valid government document.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: sitnspin on 05 May 2021, 08:33
Tai does sound like someone you might encounter in Northampton in Massachusetts in our timeline--but that's still not normal.

When I said there are no normal people in Northampton, I wasn't just referring to Jeph's fictional version of it.

It's important to remember that your own experiences can not be extrapolated to everyone else.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 05 May 2021, 08:57
So from this we can infer that Marigold is Burger Oni and has over 200 thousand subscribers

Welcome, clever new person!
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Nepiophage on 05 May 2021, 13:52
It's important to remember that your own experiences can not be extrapolated to everyone else.

All we forumites should remember this.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Oenone on 05 May 2021, 17:30
They’ve got to be friends online. Ones a cow with too many boobs and the other is a demon beef burger.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: shanejayell on 05 May 2021, 18:44
New comic. OK, that's funny...

Also, new shirt. :D
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Farideh on 05 May 2021, 18:53
Dora, Dora, Dora... You'd think that, as a business owner, she'd be better at listening to people. Otherwise everyone would walk away with the wrong coffee order.

I can see this coming back to haunt Marigold in the future, unless someone manages to set Dora straight (fast!)


I kinda want that t-shirt, even though only 50% of the text applies to me (the first half). Is that a good enough reason?
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: awkwardness on 05 May 2021, 20:27
I see a lot of replies here to the extent of "Hanners has a shit-ton of money", but has it ever actually been established taht Hanners herself has that much money?

I've read all of QC a few times now, and granted it has been quite a while I did a complete read-through, but I don't recall the above being established. Yes she has very, very wealthy parents, but we should all know that that doesn't automatically mean Hanners has a lot of money herself.

She did very early on comment on having more than sufficient to live on, but if I recall correctly that was more because she was living very simply with minimal furniture and saved most of what she made from counting things. EVen though she got WInslow a chassis and went on a long trip, I don't think it's enough to assume she is filthy rich herself.

Unless I forgot that fact being established somewhere, in which case I have wasted 5 minutes writing a pointless post :D

She is the sole heir of two powerful and extremely rich businesspeople. At minimum she has a huge trust fund set aside for her at birth, complete with stock in the company, access to company properties(vacation homes, private jets, the station!), rights to use company resources, and other things. She only has to work because of her mind needing the distraction, it's therapeutic more than anything.

Basically, she's the QC equivalent of Lisa, Reed, Erin, or Eve Jobs or Jennifer, Rory, or Phoebe Gates. She has a LOT of wealth, but chooses to not use it due to her own reasons.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: flondrix on 05 May 2021, 23:01
If Hanners had access to unlimited wealth, raising the money for May's new body would have been less of an issue.

As for the Gates kids, hasn't Bill arranged for them to not be spending their adult lives in the lap of luxury?

At least, some famous rich people have, I thought the Gates were among them.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Farideh on 05 May 2021, 23:43
Having access to wealth doesn't mean immediate access. Also, Hanners doesn't strike me as the type to just throw money at a problem like she's an affluent fairy. When it came to May's new body, she was asked to contribute, which is what she did.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Tova on 06 May 2021, 01:07
... At minimum she has a huge trust fund set aside for her at birth, complete with stock in the company, access to company properties(vacation homes, private jets, the station!), rights to use company resources, and other things. She only has to work because of her mind needing the distraction, it's therapeutic more than anything.

Basically, she's the QC equivalent of Lisa, Reed, Erin, or Eve Jobs or Jennifer, Rory, or Phoebe Gates. She has a LOT of wealth, but chooses to not use it due to her own reasons.

That all seems speculative. Got a link?
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Shjade on 06 May 2021, 08:59
I can see this coming back to haunt Marigold in the future, unless someone manages to set Dora straight (fast!)

I think Tai would complain if you set Dora straight.  :claireface:
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 06 May 2021, 09:33
Dora, Dora, Dora... You'd think that, as a business owner, she'd be better at listening to people. Otherwise everyone would walk away with the wrong coffee order.

What part of "Coffee of Doom" do you not understand? You take what you get and are thankful.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: flondrix on 06 May 2021, 10:38
I can see this coming back to haunt Marigold in the future, unless someone manages to set Dora straight (fast!)

I think Tai would complain if you set Dora straight.  :claireface:

1) Is there a rimshot emoji?

2) Can we access generic non-QC emojis in the editor?  I wanted to put a musical note in my text a while back, and ended up using a unicode, which may or may not have rendered properly on other people's screens.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: flondrix on 06 May 2021, 13:25
Dora, Dora, Dora... You'd think that, as a business owner, she'd be better at listening to people. Otherwise everyone would walk away with the wrong coffee order.

What part of "Coffee of Doom" do you not understand? You take what you get and are thankful.

Coffee of Doom has changed since Faye was fired.

Though the lingering name could be a problem.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Farideh on 06 May 2021, 15:27

I think Tai would complain if you set Dora straight.  :claireface:


Well played indeed :D

What part of "Coffee of Doom" do you not understand? You take what you get and are thankful.


To a certain degree, anyway :)
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Scarlet Manuka on 06 May 2021, 17:54
... At minimum she has a huge trust fund set aside for her at birth, complete with stock in the company, access to company properties(vacation homes, private jets, the station!), rights to use company resources, and other things. She only has to work because of her mind needing the distraction, it's therapeutic more than anything.

Basically, she's the QC equivalent of Lisa, Reed, Erin, or Eve Jobs or Jennifer, Rory, or Phoebe Gates. She has a LOT of wealth, but chooses to not use it due to her own reasons.

That all seems speculative. Got a link?

The part about work being for therapuetic reasons is attested in #1709 (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1709): her reasons for applying are "I thought it might be fun and I talked to my therapist and she said it'd be a good experience for me". There's similar wording in 1707 as well.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Mr Intrepid on 06 May 2021, 18:04
 Vis and vis Dora blowing Marigold's cover, Hanners has worked at CoD for quite some time,  and there hasn't been droves of people trying to meet her and pitching ideas, hoping for backing or just getting a photo with her.  Marigold is likely pretty safe.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Farideh on 06 May 2021, 18:22
Hannelore isn't a streaming sensation. She is 'just' the daughter of John Ellicott-Chatham, and even she got Clinton fan-boying out on her.

With Marigold's streaming persona being so well known and popular, she's likely not wrong in presuming that her fans would go above and beyond trying to figure out her real identity.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Sorflakne on 06 May 2021, 18:41
Marigold's not wrong in wanting to keep her identity a secret. Too many creeps out there who harass women streamers and think they're entitled to special attention just because they dropped $X on them.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Torlek on 06 May 2021, 19:05
Mar-bear is wise to the ways of the Internet. It's her native habitat, she knows the dangers that lurk there.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: shanejayell on 06 May 2021, 19:15
Makes sense to me...
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: awkwardness on 06 May 2021, 19:42
I don't know what OnlyFans is. Do I WANT to know?
I gather it's a sexy photos site. Which is somehow monetized, so you can get money for posting your photos.

That's as much as I've learned through osmosis. Referring to an "OnlyFans" photo is a common meme these days, and it's pretty clear what they mean.

On the money in a way: it's nude pictures, videos, livestreams that you subscribe to individually instead of on the site as a whole(hence, "only fans")

Marigold's not wrong in wanting to keep her identity a secret. Too many creeps out there who harass women streamers and think they're entitled to special attention just because they dropped $X on them.

Exactly that. There's likely more who'd go after her for her looks and being a woman than would stalk her, but even so it's for safety reasons that a lot of major YouTuber/Twitch streamer keep their true selves a secret especially gamers.

And I know that there's a bunch that show their faces, but those who do aren't average to below average in looks as Marigold is so don't face the toxic harassment over her weight, looks, breast size, hair cut, eyeglasses that she'd get
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: sitnspin on 06 May 2021, 20:12

And I know that there's a bunch that show their faces, but those who do aren't average to below average in looks as Marigold is so don't face the toxic harassment over her weight, looks, breast size, hair cut, eyeglasses that she'd get
Even extremely attractive women face constant harassment and criticism of their appearance. Constant.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: awkwardness on 06 May 2021, 20:51

And I know that there's a bunch that show their faces, but those who do aren't average to below average in looks as Marigold is so don't face the toxic harassment over her weight, looks, breast size, hair cut, eyeglasses that she'd get
Even extremely attractive women face constant harassment and criticism of their appearance. Constant.

Sadly, I know...but guys being guys the ones who aren't attractive get it worse just because they aren't attractive. I've seen a bunch give up on their dreams because of those scumbags, people are just vicious online.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: jesslc on 06 May 2021, 21:15
OK Farideh, there's your next poll.
Who is the most normal person in Northampton?

I nominate owner-of-Rupert.
I'd like to nominate Dale.

We hardly know anything about Rupert's owner - it's quite possible he only seems normal because we just met him briefly.

From the people who have been at least semi-regular cast members, I'd put Marten, Dale, Jim, Elliot, Renee and Dora in the running. I probably wouldn't include Tai personally but I can see why other people might. Dan & Marten's dads would also count except they don't live in Northhampton. And I thought about including Penelope but I'm not sure about the Pizza Girl thing. I feel like it has been proven that Penelope is not Pizza Girl, and therefore she's very normal (apart from having a famous lookalike - hardly unusual imo) but perhaps other people might think about her differently...

I definitely wouldn't exclude Marten because of Pintsize, or Dora because of her brother. I'm looking at characters individually rather than who they're linked/connected to.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: badbum61 on 06 May 2021, 21:22
Rule #34.

That is all.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Gus_Smedstad on 06 May 2021, 23:57
In today’s strip, I think Marigold is being overly paranoid in step 2: Faye says something, and a nut-job fan overhears.

200,000 subscribers may sound like a lot, but it’s a drop in the ocean compared to the general population. Even if all her subscribers are in North America, this means only one in 2900 people is a subscriber, and most of those aren’t nut jobs. Even if we assume 1 in 10 would do what she fears, the odds are still really, really overwhelming that no one like that will ever set foot in Faye’s shop.

The rest of the cascade is plausible, but the reality is that letting her friends know she’s a popular streamer will never have any repercussions. The greater harm is that she’s lying to her friends, and that’s potentially dangerous to her friendships.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Mr_Rose on 07 May 2021, 01:59
Doesn’t have to be a direct fan. One of those “overheard in” type blogs could publish the convo and things could go from there.
Remember you’re no more then six hops from anyone else anywhere. The Kevin Bacon Game is just a practical demonstration.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Gyrre on 07 May 2021, 02:33
Hannelore isn't a streaming sensation. She is 'just' the daughter of John Ellicott-Chatham, and even she got Clinton fan-boying out on her.

With Marigold's streaming persona being so well known and popular, she's likely not wrong in presuming that her fans would go above and beyond trying to figure out her real identity.

Not to mention that 1) I doubt many people really know she looks like, and 2) most of the people who do would likely write her off as a look-alike.
Which begs the question; what are the laws regarding paparazzi in the QC-verse? Perhaps there was the particularly grizzly death of one or more stalking Hannercs mom back in the day and it put a pretty immediate stop to the practice nationwide?
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Gyrre on 07 May 2021, 02:39

And I know that there's a bunch that show their faces, but those who do aren't average to below average in looks as Marigold is so don't face the toxic harassment over her weight, looks, breast size, hair cut, eyeglasses that she'd get
Even extremely attractive women face constant harassment and criticism of their appearance. Constant.

Sadly, I know...but guys being guys the ones who aren't attractive get it worse just because they aren't attractive. I've seen a bunch give up on their dreams because of those scumbags, people are just vicious online.
"Everybody is somebody's type."

Trust me, I've been online long enough to know that there'd be (and are IRL) plenty of people that be attracted to Marigold even though you're not.
[Sidebar: NEVER turn off family filter options when looking up fanart. NEVER.]
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Kincaid on 07 May 2021, 04:40
As someone who's been the target of 4chan's interest which resulted in multiple credible death threats, I'm siding with Marigold on being paranoid here, 100%. I used to have an internet presence under my real name, I dropped absolutely everything after that and no way in heck I'm letting anyone know my online aliases anymore.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Oenone on 07 May 2021, 05:08
Samesies. At one point they used the IP address of the coffee shop I sometimes posted from to make a range of what apartment buildings I might live in.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 07 May 2021, 09:14
Clinton and May both recognized Hannelore, though Faye had never heard of the family.

The Ellicott-Chathams can afford the kind of security that stops problems at early stages, but it didn't work with Clinton.

If Arrogant Architeuthis is as protective of the Creator's daughter as May, then anyone trying to stalk Hannelore would quickly encounter a spot of unpleasantness. I do mean quickly, since they are all about situational awareness.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: dutchrvl on 07 May 2021, 09:37
I see a lot of replies here to the extent of "Hanners has a shit-ton of money", but has it ever actually been established taht Hanners herself has that much money?

I've read all of QC a few times now, and granted it has been quite a while I did a complete read-through, but I don't recall the above being established. Yes she has very, very wealthy parents, but we should all know that that doesn't automatically mean Hanners has a lot of money herself.

She did very early on comment on having more than sufficient to live on, but if I recall correctly that was more because she was living very simply with minimal furniture and saved most of what she made from counting things. EVen though she got WInslow a chassis and went on a long trip, I don't think it's enough to assume she is filthy rich herself.

Unless I forgot that fact being established somewhere, in which case I have wasted 5 minutes writing a pointless post :D

She is the sole heir of two powerful and extremely rich businesspeople. At minimum she has a huge trust fund set aside for her at birth, complete with stock in the company, access to company properties(vacation homes, private jets, the station!), rights to use company resources, and other things. She only has to work because of her mind needing the distraction, it's therapeutic more than anything.

Basically, she's the QC equivalent of Lisa, Reed, Erin, or Eve Jobs or Jennifer, Rory, or Phoebe Gates. She has a LOT of wealth, but chooses to not use it due to her own reasons.

I understand why you'd be thinking all of this, but you're making a lot of assumptions here. Sole heir? Besides the part where that doesn't make her currently rich, you do not know what her parents' plans are with their fortunes/empire, for all we know they may retire at 65 and give everything away to good/bad causes. Huge trust fund? Massive assumption, we literally have no idea. Access to company properties and resources? yes, seems like it, but that's largely virtue of her father enabling/allowing that, and still does not actually make Hanners rich herself.

Again, many of these things may be true (and probably likely), but none of it actually has been established (Edit: I believe, but I may be wrong, which is why I asked), and making these assumptions seems mostly based on what we typically see/hear about children of wealthy parents in 'our' world.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 07 May 2021, 11:06
Burger Oni wants to meet LilBeef. (4497)
Whoops!
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Shjade on 07 May 2021, 12:55
I'd say the only real stretch in Marigold's doom theory was the leap that someone would connect Faye talking about a friend of hers selling nudes online to possibly being the vtuber they like to watch stream. I don't see how those two dots would be linked.

Once that link *was* made though the rest sounds plausible. A longshot, maybe, but not unheard of.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Wombat on 07 May 2021, 14:23
I'd say the only real stretch in Marigold's doom theory was the leap that someone would connect Faye talking about a friend of hers selling nudes online to possibly being the vtuber they like to watch stream. I don't see how those two dots would be linked.

Once that link *was* made though the rest sounds plausible. A longshot, maybe, but not unheard of.
But Marigold isn't talking about a scenario in which people are talking about her selling nudes. She starts off with "Dora finds out"-- that refers to Dora finding out about her being a vtuber, not the situation as it stands.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Farideh on 07 May 2021, 14:24
Samesies. At one point they used the IP address of the coffee shop I sometimes posted from to make a range of what apartment buildings I might live in.


That's disturbing. I'm so sorry!
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Tova on 07 May 2021, 20:12
... At minimum she has a huge trust fund set aside for her at birth, complete with stock in the company, access to company properties(vacation homes, private jets, the station!), rights to use company resources, and other things. She only has to work because of her mind needing the distraction, it's therapeutic more than anything.

Basically, she's the QC equivalent of Lisa, Reed, Erin, or Eve Jobs or Jennifer, Rory, or Phoebe Gates. She has a LOT of wealth, but chooses to not use it due to her own reasons.

That all seems speculative. Got a link?

The part about work being for therapuetic reasons is attested in #1709 (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1709): her reasons for applying are "I thought it might be fun and I talked to my therapist and she said it'd be a good experience for me". There's similar wording in 1707 as well.

I'm more interested in links to back up your claims that she has access to trust funds and shares. It's more likely from what I've seen that she only needs to work for therapeutic reasons because she lives modestly (her main expense is her therapy, and it's highly likely that one of her parents pays for it).

Her parents seem more the types to expect Hanners to stand on her own two feet rather than set up lavish trust funds, shares, and such.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Shjade on 07 May 2021, 22:35
But Marigold isn't talking about a scenario in which people are talking about her selling nudes. She starts off with "Dora finds out"-- that refers to Dora finding out about her being a vtuber, not the situation as it stands.

Ahhh, I misunderstood that somehow. Yeah, totally plausible then.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Gyrre on 09 May 2021, 06:15
Samesies. At one point they used the IP address of the coffee shop I sometimes posted from to make a range of what apartment buildings I might live in.
😱😬
Yikes!

I hope someone put a stop to that before the creep could hurt anyone or lead to anyone getting hurt.

[Only my FB page has my real name. I keep it separate from everything else.]
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 09 May 2021, 08:00
Yep, Marigold's complexion has definitely cleared up.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 09 May 2021, 09:03
Hannelore may very well not want her parents to have the kind of influence over her that would come from having an allowance. It would be a different story if they'd settled some lump sum on her.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: sitnspin on 09 May 2021, 10:04
The thing is, even if she doesn't have an allowance or trust fund or any amount of money she has direct access to, the fact that if she has billionaire parents she could turn to if she ran into financial trouble puts her in a position of incredible privilege.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: JimC on 09 May 2021, 14:11
Samesies. At one point they used the IP address of the coffee shop I sometimes posted from to
Yep. To misquote,  there are people out there not only crazier than you imagine, but crazier than you can imagine. I once copped a bunch of completely fabricated abuse simply because my name was on my employers' who is record. And that was in the 90s before the net was even a big thing.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Tova on 09 May 2021, 14:38
Sorry, I thought we were talking about whether she had access to shit-tons of money, not whether she was privileged. Of course she is privileged.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: jesslc on 13 May 2021, 00:59
Rather late to the discussion but I wanted to add my two cents...

Personally I've been under the impression that Hannelore has the ability to access as much money as she wants at any time. Most of the time she doesn't access that much but if she ever want more, it's there.

I think this is supported by the comic. For example, not that long ago (in comic time) she took off on a lengthy trip around the world on the spur of the moment. That implies easy access to significant money in my opinion. It's not just that she can pay for the trip itself - quite a lot of people can afford to travel but most of them wouldn't be able to head off for an indefinite amount of time on the spur of the moment like she did.

Hanners didn't give a single thought to questions such as "how long can I afford to be away for?" or "if I don't have a job when I get back (because I abandoned it on the spur of the moment), what will I do?" Paying rent on an empty apartment for an indefinite amount of time is no issue for her at all. These are not things she ever has to worry about.

I don't know if Hanners has a trust fund/shares/etc, possibly she just has a credit card linked to her Dad's account or something like that. But however she has access to money, it didn't seem like she needed to ask anyone before paying for multiple flights on the spur of the moment - first to confront her Mum, then to bring Winslow to meet her and then to go wherever they went first on her trip.

I've known a couple of different people who went traveling round the world for a year (back in the days before covid obviously). The difference between them and Hannelore is that all of them did some significant planning and budgeting in advance. (Even the one who's a doctor). Most of them rented out their homes while away or gave up their lease and stored their stuff. And they all had some sort of plan in place for when they got back eg. a job lined up or friends/family they could crash with until they found work again. It's just so different from how Hanners approached her trip that I can't see her actions as anything other than proof that she has easy access to lots of money.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Tova on 13 May 2021, 02:46
Sorry, I disagree. Not everyone who travels does so with a budget and significant planning. There are plenty of people who embark on what is essentially a working holiday. They pick fruit or wait tables*. If you're working on a farm, you're probably getting board as a part of your payment.

Not all students who take gap years are flush with cash, and worries about returning to a job don't stop them. You save up money for a cheap flight, then find a flea pit to stay in and a job to keep you going. Yes it's hard, and yes you get exploited. But it's a thing.

Hannelore was working on a farm (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3730)  and as a cleaner at a laboratory (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3809); she wasn't staying in hotels and booking chartered flights. If she had money, don't you think she would have indulged in an extravagance or two? She was definitely taking a working holiday.

Just because you can't think of any reasons for her actions other than "easy access to lots of money" doesn't mean there aren't any. She has a job at Coffee of Doom whenever she wants, really. The people you know who did significant planning did so because they had a budget, not in spite of it. And how do you know Hanners didn't rent her place out while she was gone?

I will grant you that she could probably call her Dad if she were in dire straits. That's all I'll grant you, though. I'm not sure she would. She has called her parents for favours before -- and maybe someone with archive-fu can confirm or deny, but as I recall, she has always done that for her friends, not for herself.

She's estranged from her mother, she's got a father who basically ignores her when she doesn't take active steps to get in contact, she's struggled with a lifetime of mental illness that she has worked very hard to overcome, and for some reason all people can talk about is how privileged she is. Have we all just decided we hate everyone in the original cast now?

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* Side note: various companies in Australia are suffering from the lack of cheap labour right now because the ready supply of working tourists has dried up, for reasons that will occur to you.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: JimC on 13 May 2021, 03:36
If she had money, don't you think she would have indulged in an extravagance or two?

Yes but 4048:  https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=4048 "at first I did a lot of the stereotypical "Rich white girl trying to find herself" things"
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Tova on 13 May 2021, 03:44
I'm sure she did.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Penquin47 on 13 May 2021, 22:38
I cannot imagine Hanners renting out her apartment without personally vetting the people coming in for cleaning skills, at the very least.  Which it's possible she did, but it's far more likely, given her neuroses, that she would rather let the apartment sit empty and deal with the dust when she got home rather than risk people coming in who might leave crumbs and attract insects, or leave puddles on the floor that grow mold, or ruin her good cleaning equipment (doesn't she have an autoclave?) by misusing it.

Hanners has access to money.  She was able to just buy Winston a top of the line body, because she likes her companion and knew it would make him happy, without a second thought.  Whether it's practically unlimited or just "lots" doesn't matter, nor does whether it's a trust fund or access to her parents' accounts or she just has a lot of money saved from her counting job.  Money is there if she needs it, but because she lives a mostly minimalist life, she rarely needs it for much.  No mention of "I'll just eat ramen for the next few months" or any thought of getting paid back, like when Marigold bought Momo her new body.  She's not working at Coffee of Doom because she needs the money, she's doing it because she knows it's good for her to get out and deal with messes and people and having that kind of routine and responsibility in her life.

The sense I got from the way Hanners described her working holiday is not that she took the jobs because she needed the money to finance her trip - it's that she needed the work for her mental health.  She was disgusted with the way her mother treats the people around her, and didn't like the person she became when dealing with Tilly and her mother.  "I made a rule - I needed to make myself useful wherever I went" is not the kind of thing you say when you're taking a job cleaning up yak poop because you need the money.  It's what you say when you take a job cleaning up yak poop to ground yourself and distance yourself from the privilege your parents always provided for you.  That ties into the "rich white girl trying to find herself" description - her own words, not projection.

Financially, she is indeed privileged.  Her family life sucks, and she definitely suffers a great deal from her mental illness.  Just because you're privileged in one way doesn't mean you can't suffer in others, or vice versa.  Acknowledging that she's financially privileged - which she does herself - doesn't mean we hate her at all.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Tova on 14 May 2021, 18:13
Whether it's practically unlimited or just "lots" doesn't matter, nor does whether it's a trust fund or access to her parents' accounts or she just has a lot of money saved from her counting job.

Okay. I mean, it does kind of matter, though only in the sense that this was the very claim that I was debating to begin with. If you recall, someone claimed she had access to practically unlimited funds and I disagreed.

We can agree she’s not on struggle street at any rate.

I feel compelled to add qualifications to your post.

“Top of the line model” - yeah sure. Top of a “regular” line consisting of precisely two models. Not the cheapest but also probably not their most expensive model.

You remember how anxious Winslow was? Not the attitude of someone who knew his sponsor was absolutely loaded.

Of course she didn’t say “I will eat ramen for a week.” She does have some tact. Whether she could pay with cash or go into debt and make sacrifices, she would smile and say “I can afford it.” She likes to help her friends.

Hanners might not tolerate a roommate but she’s more than capable of handling messes.

Finally: “financially privileged” isn’t the phrase that was used.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Wingy on 15 May 2021, 07:03
There's different "levels of privilege".  Hanners clearly has access to some resources beyond what she makes at the coffee shop.  Given what we've seen, she apparently makes little use of them.  I can see Dad giving Hanners some stock or a small puddle of cash as she boards Shuttle to go down to Earth and when she gets there, she puts it into an account she rarely accesses; witness the checkbook she uses occasionally. 

I follow a similar scenario in my own life.  My wife and I worked as contractors for a decade.  Early on, we put the clamps down on our spending and saved up a years living expenses.  That was the level of personal safety net we felt we needed in case contracting went bad.  First off, being able to save that much indicates we had relatively good paying jobs; and we still do 20+ years and several different employers later.  Second, that we actually saved that much (and have kept it up to date as our expenses changed) says something about our ideas of living simply and within our means, and our thinking about savings.  So thirdly, as a result, if something bad happens, the likelihood is we can afford to pay our way out of the situation.  That makes us "privileged" in many peoples eyes, even though we are nowhere near "rich".

Example: our furnace failed one year while we were out of town.  Got back and it was colder in the house than it was outside.  Frozen pipes everywhere.  I ended up replacing two toilets, two faucets, a dishwasher part, and redoing a bunch of plumbing and drywall in addition to paying for the furnace repair.  Total cost: ~$1000 and 6 weeks of after work time spent on fixing things; it would have been nearer $5000 if I had to contract that work out, but we're both handy.  (Fortunately, when I redid the plumbing in this house shortly after purchasing it, I put valves everywhere so I was able to isolate individual rooms with plumbing issues until I could get to them.)  Some friends of ours had something similar happen the next year and they had to deal with their insurance company because they couldn't afford the repairs they needed otherwise.  So are my wife and I "privileged"?  You bet we are, even though we'll never have a second or third house or a sports car or ...  And we got there by making saving for a bad day a priority and keeping those savings out of our daily spending by deliberate intent.  That little puddle of money is very carefully put away for when we need it and both of use are very clear on what "need it" means.  And as others have noted, as soon as you've got a substantial emergency fund, bad days seem to go away which we also experienced.

As I read Hanners, she's got a puddle of money, however acquired, that she can access when she wants but seldom does.  Does that make her privileged?  Yes, clearly.  Does that make her rich in the sense that her mother is rich?  Not at all necessary, or at least, we have no indication from the strips that she is.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Oenone on 15 May 2021, 10:16
Samesies. At one point they used the IP address of the coffee shop I sometimes posted from to make a range of what apartment buildings I might live in.
😱😬
Yikes!

I hope someone put a stop to that before the creep could hurt anyone or lead to anyone getting hurt.

[Only my FB page has my real name. I keep it separate from everything else.]

Someone on their page posted and was basically like, are you stalking a book blogger because they didn’t like a character in a book you haven’t read? This seems a bit much. I also stopped being active as a blogger for several years. At this point the person’s site is down, so I’ve been considering getting back into.

Re: names
What got me wasn’t my real name, it’s that I wasn’t careful about my IP address (I didn’t know that was a thing), had a set of icons I used on other sites, and didn’t realize how easy it is to figure out someone’s region based on little details of their day, like if I mentioned being late because of the T, which would be very Bostonian of me. What scared me the most is that that meant they’d been reading my non “pro blogging” stuff pretty avidly and searching up old usernames, reverse image searching my avatars, etc.

It’s not that it’s a LZoT of effort, it’s that it was very concentrated effort.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Oenone on 15 May 2021, 12:12
Also re: Hanners

I think she’s wealthy but doesn’t have a lot of liquid wealth. She’s never mentioned any big dips or rises in her finances, so she probably has access to a steady, but not bananas amount of money, and she’s never joked about the cost of her psych meds. Those would both be expected topics of conversation if she’s a millennial of average means with mental health issues.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: sitnspin on 15 May 2021, 12:43
Privilege is not a moral state. Saying someone has privilege is not a condemnation, just a statement of fact. I deal with significant mental health issues, I had a shit childhood, I am a gay biracial woman, and my parents were extremely emotionally neglectful, but I am also relatively well off financially, which grants me a significant amount of privilege compared to other people with similar struggles. Recognising that a person has a degree of privilege does not negate their other struggles, nor does it imply any degree of hatred towards them.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: oddtail on 15 May 2021, 13:22
Yeah, "privilege" is (sometimes justifiably) an upsetting/uncomfortable idea, but it's not necessarily one hostile against people who are privileged.

People who react to it strongly, IME, tend to be defensive because they don't like the implications of their being privileged - i.e. that there are many others who do not have what the privileged person instinctively thinks of as a baseline. And while that fact is not any single individual person's fault, it's hard not to feel guilty about it, rightly or not. And people who feel guilty tend to get defensive.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Oenone on 15 May 2021, 22:02
That, and often ppl with privilege are pretty invested in the idea it’s earned, and that it’s fair that they have privilege. Naming it suggests that maybe it’s not fair that some people have it and others don’t.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Tova on 16 May 2021, 04:17
You cannot tell me that a thread arguing about how wealthy Hanners is coming from a forum population that frequently regards the wealthy along with the capitalist system that got them there with open contempt can simply be regarded as disinterested statements of fact.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: sitnspin on 16 May 2021, 04:56
I can tell you that and am in fact doing so. But hey, feel free to project all you want.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Wingy on 16 May 2021, 06:20
My wife and I got ours by getting into a lucrative field early, playing the wage slave game well, and saving like crazy at the expense of a "rich" lifestyle.  We take our pleasure in simpler things that didn't cost much money (just time and effort).  And because we prefer our time and effort hobbies, we usually associate with many who are neither rich nor privileged, which keeps us thoroughly grounded about the value of money and completely unwilling to "act rich".

In other words, we're part of the system, and by deliberate intent we've used the system to our best advantage.  There will soon come a day when we aren't in the wage slave game any more and then we can work on the system if we want.  But we won't do it from a position of "rich".  I should also note that our privilege has allowed us to make some unconventional employment choices and allow others around us to advance when we could have instead, so I don't feel one whit bad for playing the corporate game.  We've also had to watch as others around us make poor choices and totally F. themselves over which is much harder than it sounds when they are good, if misdirected, people.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 16 May 2021, 09:22
There's a privilege thread over in RELATE.

We know Hannelore's opinion. She has called herself privileged and is looking for ways to use it for the common good.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Oenone on 16 May 2021, 11:49
Please don’t take my discussion of Hanners personally; I just find her a lil bit boring as a character, and tbh find the handwaviness of her flexible budget a really stupid plot device. I feel like focusing on Hanners’ money distracts from Hanners’ character growth, and that whenever there’s a moment for her to really demonstrate how she navigates growing up in one world but coming into herself as another there’s a whacky “crazy space gal” joke,and we actually avoid going deeper with her character.
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: Scarlet Manuka on 16 May 2021, 22:34
On Hannelore's wealth: I trawled through every comic from her introduction to today. It took a while...

In 665 (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=665), which I know is basically pre-history at this point:
Faye: "So you're not only crazy as hell and richer than the average Saudi prince, you're from friggin' space?"
Hannelore: "Yep! I'd say 'explains a lot, doesn't it' only it doesn't really explain very much."

She bought a drum kit more or less on a whim in 865 (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=865).

There's not much more that reflects on her wealth until she buys Winslow a new body in 3542 (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3542) with the comment "It's a gift, Winslow. I can afford it and you deserve it." May describes her a few strips later in 3549 (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3549) as "a billionaire space heiress" but -- being May -- there's not much reason to take that literally at all, let alone as specifying money that she has access to right now.

She does have incidents like "borrowing an invisible plane to go to an acquaintance's house for the weekend", but as previously noted that is an expression of privilege rather than wealth per se.

So the main highlights are buying Winslow a body and being able to take off on her trip of self-discovery. She is never presented in a situation where money is more than an afterthought, however, so for me the general impression is that she is indeed quite wealthy. But there's not a lot of hard evidence for it.

A tidbit I'd forgotten in #977 (though it is noted on her wiki page) on partly why she switched jobs: she used to enjoy the counting work, but "ever since I took up the drums work feels like... well, WORK".
Title: Re: WCDT 03-07 May 2021 (4516-4520)
Post by: jesslc on 19 May 2021, 09:01
She's estranged from her mother, she's got a father who basically ignores her when she doesn't take active steps to get in contact, she's struggled with a lifetime of mental illness that she has worked very hard to overcome, and for some reason all people can talk about is how privileged she is. Have we all just decided we hate everyone in the original cast now?
I don’t hate Hannelore at all. I actually really like her (and the majority of the original cast). I just disagree with people who think Hanners doesn't have a lot of money because in my opinion that isn't supported by the comic. Hanners even self describes herself as rich in the comic linked by JimC.

For what it's worth, I also read all the jobs she did while away as volunteer type work, not paid work. It wasn't actually specified so it could be either, but the way it was written and Hanners' own words about how she decided she would make herself useful everywhere makes me think that it wasn't a case of her working for money but for personal reasons as Penguin47 described.

Also for what it's worth, I don't think being rich invalidates Hannelore's awful family situation or mental health issues in any way. She's had a really tough life in multiple ways. Never having to worry about money (which is how I read the comic with regards to her) doesn't make those things go away.