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Title: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: zmeiat_joro on 06 Jun 2021, 18:40
I've never done that before. I understand why Jeph would reference the STALKER franchise rather than the original Strugatsky novel but it felt a bit weird :)

EDIT: I forgot to include an option on whether you've seen the Tarkovsky film. EDIT2: I think I set it up properly now.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Wombt on 06 Jun 2021, 18:58
Hm, I'm pretty sure the old body is still Pintsize's property. But then, Marten also might have paid for it. Still feels like it's morally Pintsize's.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: shanejayell on 06 Jun 2021, 19:05
There's also this:

https://somethingpositive.net/comic/pintsized-recycling/
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: DaiJB on 06 Jun 2021, 19:07
You forgot the option: Never heard of any of 'em.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: zmeiat_joro on 06 Jun 2021, 19:11
That's what ducks are for.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: starkruzr on 06 Jun 2021, 20:04
I mean, look, Bubs is the ex-military (probably high-level NCO?) one around, I'mma listen to her w/r/t what to do with controlled munitions.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Shjade on 06 Jun 2021, 20:16
Agreed. It may not be the most entertaining option, but it's hard to argue with Bubbles' logic.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: brasca on 06 Jun 2021, 21:27
There's also this:

https://somethingpositive.net/comic/pintsized-recycling/

It’s ecologically correct as well as what Pintsize would probably want.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Oenone on 06 Jun 2021, 21:40
Good lord, Faye has lost a lot of weight. I’m really, really surprised Marten hasn’t voiced any concern about it.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Ravenswing on 06 Jun 2021, 21:59
There's also this:

https://somethingpositive.net/comic/pintsized-recycling/

Yep, too damn late, folks!  (For those of you unfamiliar with SP, the guy in the purple super suit does his doings around Somerville and environs, which is about two hours east of Northampton.  How Pintsize's body got THERE is a question for another day ...)
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Gus_Smedstad on 06 Jun 2021, 22:17
"Let's dismember him and sell the body parts on the black market." - Faye, paraphrased.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Gyrre on 06 Jun 2021, 22:58
There's also this:

https://somethingpositive.net/comic/pintsized-recycling/


.....Geez the last time I read S*P was when Rory was working the haunted house for the first time. Has it really been that long since I've read it?

EDIT: Digging through the archives, it looks like it's been around 4 years.
EDIT: Ha! The strip from April 19, 2017 (https://somethingpositive.net/comic/honesty/) is one of my favorites with Pamjee (Also the one where Jason and Aubrey console Pamjee the first time she get's bullied for being adopted).
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: BenRG on 06 Jun 2021, 23:11
I'm pretty sure that the only toxic materials in Pintsize's old chassis is dense layers of cake batter, at the bottom of which they have entirely transmuted into mould. The thing is that this stuff is old. So there is nonzero possibility that the stuff has attained to a psuedo-sentience. Faye had better be ready to wait out a sentient rights investigation and Congressional hearing that could last years.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: St.Clair on 07 Jun 2021, 01:50
this is not a place of honor
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 07 Jun 2021, 07:27
Meanwhile, Beeps' paperwork has been streamlined, codified, ratified and verified, awaiting her signature. The files have been reorganized and Dewey-decimalized. (They'll have to hire Claire now, or they'll never be able to find -anything-.)
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: _Islanio on 07 Jun 2021, 10:15
If so, once again Beepatrice will feel down for others performing better than her in her functions.  :-(
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: John Allenson on 07 Jun 2021, 14:04
Meanwhile, Beeps' paperwork has been streamlined, codified, ratified and verified, awaiting her signature. The files have been reorganized and Dewey-decimalized. (They'll have to hire Claire now, or they'll never be able to find -anything-.)
This was a plot point in The Avengers (the one with John Steed and Emma Peel not the one with Captain American and Thor) How to Succeed ... at Murder.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Farideh on 07 Jun 2021, 18:24
Comic's up.

Now I want a job there.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: shanejayell on 07 Jun 2021, 18:53
"WHY do you destruction test dildos with a cannon?"

"Why NOT?"
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: _Islanio on 07 Jun 2021, 18:54
Some Cr1TiCaL vibes there.
Well, if it survives such a test, it sure survives the average usage.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Rincewind on 07 Jun 2021, 18:54
Is that an "Emergency" bottle of lube behind Claire's head?  :-o
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: shanejayell on 07 Jun 2021, 19:07
Is that an "Emergency" bottle of lube behind Claire's head?  :-o

Yes, I think it is.

As a Mythbusters nerd I'm especially amused, as that's the same sort of high powered air cannon that they often used.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: BarGamer on 07 Jun 2021, 19:45
Daw, blushing girls are SO CUTE!
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Gyrre on 07 Jun 2021, 20:34
This is either some heavy-duty QC or
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Mr Intrepid on 07 Jun 2021, 20:52
See, this is why it's a good thing that pintsize didn't get the job.  He would have smuggled the cannon out of the lab, taken it to the top of the mountain, and shelled the town with dildoes.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Gnabberwocky on 07 Jun 2021, 21:08
Silly question, Claire. The chance to fire a dildo out of a pneumatic cannon out of a wall is like a million dollars: if someone offers it, you take it.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Morituri on 07 Jun 2021, 21:48
Oh my God.  I know the woman who they're making those for. Or at least a woman who'd shop there if she knew they had products that pass such stringent Quality Control standards.

Mutter mutter mutter repurposed power tools mutter mutter bruising mutter mutter emergency room mutter mutter mutter mutter worth it.

Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Gus_Smedstad on 07 Jun 2021, 22:00
Well, now we know what sort of applications they put dildoes to at Applied Dildonics.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: traroth on 07 Jun 2021, 23:57
Beeps always gives the same kind of explanation for her job "I work in a dildo factory. I do the testing", and is suprised and blushing when people inevitably get the wrong idea, each and every time. That's good repetition humor.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: BenRG on 08 Jun 2021, 00:09
Okay, so what is this test supposed to do? It's supposed to make use of the military-specification impact-testing device that Beepatrice's boss bought in anticipation of being awarded a Department of Defence testing contract that never actually appeared (it turns out that an inspection of the lab found too high a level of 'comedic ineptitude'). However, he didn't want to look a fool for having ordered unnecessary equipment so he hired a number of AIs (whose overall cost is lower than human staff) to carry out completely unnecessary tests using the equipment. The paperwork generated by these tests goes straight into the Circular File as no-one wants or needs it.

Basically, Beepatrice's whole job is solely to protect the ego and reputation of a now-likely moved-on manager. I wonder how long before a New Broom sweeps in and eliminates her whole department as the unnecessary cost it is?
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Boxer on 08 Jun 2021, 01:36
Okay, so what is this test supposed to do? It's supposed to make use of the military-specification impact-testing device that Beepatrice's boss bought in anticipation of being awarded a Department of Defence testing contract that never actually appeared
Or it is just straight up a Military testing lab, they created explosives, high impact projectiles and devices that rip the arms of people. A few gulliable AIs who can be convinced this is a logical job (or hacked) to test sex toys.

Maybe the whole area is a military industry complex.  Like down the road is a lab testing cloaking devices on Emu's, why Emu's, they are not endangered enough to require camouflage???.
Pintsizes chasis had to have come from somewhere, why did Bubbles end up in this town... was it where she was created.


Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Mr_Rose on 08 Jun 2021, 01:53
Because Emus have already proved to be instinctively adept at guerrilla tactics and ambush warfare in the face of semi-modern automatic weapons so giving them optical camouflage would only make them a superior terror weapon.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Netherdan on 08 Jun 2021, 05:26
Testing for the sake of testing? Those white panels for walls really gives a Portal vibe to the room. Are these painted with moon rock powder perhaps? Do they have an uploaded human mind turned rogue AI controlling the facility?
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: BenRG on 08 Jun 2021, 05:49
Testing for the sake of testing? Those white panels for walls really gives a Portal vibe to the room. Are these painted with moon rock powder perhaps? Do they have an uploaded human mind turned rogue AI controlling the facility?

The toy is a lie The toy is a lie The toy is a lie The toy is a lie The toy is a lie The toy is a lie The toy is a lie The toy is a lie The toy is a lie The toy is a lie The toy is a lie The toy is a lie The toy is a lie The toy is a lie The toy is a lie The toy is a lie The toy is a lie The toy is a lie The toy is a lie The toy is a lie
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 08 Jun 2021, 06:38
I return to my contention that this is a cover for testing new anti-materiel ordnance. ( why is the paperwork not glued to the wall )

Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: traroth on 08 Jun 2021, 09:08
Is Applied Dildonics a subsidiary of Aperture Science?

I'm sure they are working on a sentient dildo...
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Torlek on 08 Jun 2021, 09:27
I'm sure they are working on a sentient dildo...

They do what they must, because they can.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: _Islanio on 08 Jun 2021, 10:41

I'm sure they are working on a sentient dildo...

In this case, they really should hire Pintsize. He's got expertise on this
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Mr_Rose on 08 Jun 2021, 11:12
Is Applied Dildonics a subsidiary of Aperture Science?
Nope, they are mortal enemies now, after their founders split the original company in two over creative differences. The CEO, Mesa Johnson, has been quoted as saying “we were taking a completely opposite approach on everything and we simply had to part ways.”
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Farideh on 08 Jun 2021, 18:21
New comic.

Dangit, Cosmo! Nah, just kidding, you're a good dog :D
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: shanejayell on 08 Jun 2021, 18:44
Awwww.  :-D
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Baz_Yat on 08 Jun 2021, 19:14
Oh god Clinton's face... am dying!
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: John Allenson on 08 Jun 2021, 19:21
You know how LOL doesn't actually mean someone made an audible sign of amusement.
I did chuckle out loud over this one.
Cosmo is wonderful.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: awkwardness on 08 Jun 2021, 19:36
Okay, so what is this test supposed to do? It's supposed to make use of the military-specification impact-testing device that Beepatrice's boss bought in anticipation of being awarded a Department of Defence testing contract that never actually appeared (it turns out that an inspection of the lab found too high a level of 'comedic ineptitude'). However, he didn't want to look a fool for having ordered unnecessary equipment so he hired a number of AIs (whose overall cost is lower than human staff) to carry out completely unnecessary tests using the equipment. The paperwork generated by these tests goes straight into the Circular File as no-one wants or needs it.

Basically, Beepatrice's whole job is solely to protect the ego and reputation of a now-likely moved-on manager. I wonder how long before a New Broom sweeps in and eliminates her whole department as the unnecessary cost it is?

Impact testing on the vibration motor. It's legitimate, they blast the dildos out at differing speeds to determine the kind of impact they can endure so they can label them correctly.

If you think about it, it's not entirely out there that AIs would use them too as a way of making money from websites, Rule 34 and all...
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Gus_Smedstad on 08 Jun 2021, 20:17
I did chuckle out loud over this one.

Me too. It was the giant Elliot tongue in panel 3 that got me, even before registering the it-was-actually-Cosmo joke.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Gyrre on 08 Jun 2021, 20:49
Okay, so what is this test supposed to do? It's supposed to make use of the military-specification impact-testing device that Beepatrice's boss bought in anticipation of being awarded a Department of Defence testing contract that never actually appeared
Or it is just straight up a Military testing lab, they created explosives, high impact projectiles and devices that rip the arms of people. A few gulliable AIs who can be convinced this is a logical job (or hacked) to test sex toys.

Maybe the whole area is a military industry complex.  Like down the road is a lab testing cloaking devices on Emu's, why Emu's, they are not endangered enough to require camouflage???.
Pintsizes chasis had to have come from somewhere, why did Bubbles end up in this town... was it where she was created.

*cough* check thefan fiction thread *cough*
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Gnabberwocky on 08 Jun 2021, 22:24
Physically flinched at that one before I saw panel four.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: BenRG on 08 Jun 2021, 23:48
COSMO: "I kiss better. You know it's true. Admit it."
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: DaiJB on 08 Jun 2021, 23:53
Awww...
Awww, cute...
:-o WHAT
:lol:

(My response, panel by panel)


BTW, I don't think I've ever seen a QC character look quite so Anime as Clinton in the last panel...
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: _Islanio on 09 Jun 2021, 08:34

Impact testing on the vibration motor. It's legitimate, they blast the dildos out at differing speeds to determine the kind of impact they can endure so they can label them correctly.

If you think about it, it's not entirely out there that AIs would use them too as a way of making money from websites, Rule 34 and all...

I mean, considering some shipping services, I'd say it's a legitimate test.
COSMO: "I kiss better. You know it's true. Admit it."

Now Elliot will have to do better, the bar is now set too high lol
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 09 Jun 2021, 09:02
Oh, a guest strip!

( also ducks )
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Farideh on 09 Jun 2021, 18:43
Comic's up.

Oooh, Yemisi is going to have her work cut out for her. Also, I like Iris' mug. I have one that says 'Have a f*cking nice day'
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: shanejayell on 09 Jun 2021, 18:50
I need that mug.  :-D
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Farideh on 09 Jun 2021, 19:23
Jeph should add it to his merchandise page
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Gus_Smedstad on 09 Jun 2021, 19:58
I find the "fuck you" mug funny, but I do NOT want one in my house.

What exactly does Iris get out of coffee? I'm having trouble seeing Iris sniffing it the way Bubbles does with tea.

On a related note, she has "I haven't had my coffee" face. How does that make sense if you're an AI?

Speaking of which... I seem to have an atypical reaction to caffeine. I drink coffee. I don't feel like it wakes me up, or that I'm not awake until I've had one. I know it's a stimulant, but I've never noticed a stimulant effect. Going a day without coffee is not a big deal.

It's not like I'm going light on the coffee when I do drink it. While I typically only drink a double espresso's worth (plus milk), there have been days when I've drunk 3 of those. I try and keep it to one, because I really don't like caffeine withdrawal headaches, and drinking a lot of coffee and then skipping a day usually brings one of those.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: John Allenson on 09 Jun 2021, 20:29

On a related note, she has "I haven't had my coffee" face. How does that make sense if you're an AI?
 
I notice she's also plugged in to something.  I'm going to treat the coffee mug as a metaphor for a rebooting program equivalent to waking up.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Gyrre on 09 Jun 2021, 20:48
*pointing at panel one*
[Emphatically] That. That is why I work overnights.

I want that mug, BTW.

I find the "fuck you" mug funny, but I do NOT want one in my house.

What exactly does Iris get out of coffee? I'm having trouble seeing Iris sniffing it the way Bubbles does with tea.

On a related note, she has "I haven't had my coffee" face. How does that make sense if you're an AI?

Speaking of which... I seem to have an atypical reaction to caffeine. I drink coffee. I don't feel like it wakes me up, or that I'm not awake until I've had one. I know it's a stimulant, but I've never noticed a stimulant effect. Going a day without coffee is not a big deal.

It's not like I'm going light on the coffee when I do drink it. While I typically only drink a double espresso's worth (plus milk), there have been days when I've drunk 3 of those. I try and keep it to one, because I really don't like caffeine withdrawal headaches, and drinking a lot of coffee and then skipping a day usually brings one of those.
Scent is about the only way I can enjoy coffee. If it weren't for the fact that chocolate cake using coffee grounds doesn't cause any noticeable effects, I'd guess I had a tannin sensitivity (I can't stand wine or all but two kinds of beer either).
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Gus_Smedstad on 09 Jun 2021, 20:50
Oh, man. I can't believe I didn't notice this before.

Looking back at the Dildo Cannon strip, in panel 2 there's a "break glass in emergency" wall box with Emergency Lubricant. That raises all sorts of questions.

Like, what sort of emergency needs emergency lubricant? Oh, sure, it's a dildo factory, but aren't dildoes supposed to be passive? Do they have self-propelled dildoes? Do they break out of containment and roam the halls? Are they soothed by a quick spray of emergency lubricant? Or is the emergency lubricant just to make the results of the unavoidable sentient dildo attack less painful?
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: zmeiat_joro on 09 Jun 2021, 21:01
Hm, guys: I posted here about half an hour ago, and the post is gone.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Gus_Smedstad on 09 Jun 2021, 21:04
Scent is about the only way I can enjoy coffee.

That used to be me. I loved the smell, but drinking it was kind of awful. In my late 40's I discovered that I could drink it, even like drinking it, with enough milk and sugar.

I still can't drink it black, or even close to black. I generally dilute espresso 3:1 with milk. I still need sweetener, even at that ratio. It's my one vice that's a classic vice. No smoking or alcohol for me, just coffee.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: St.Clair on 09 Jun 2021, 21:11
What you're describing is a milkshake, IMO.

Like, I'm with you, that's the only way I enjoy coffee too:  as a flavoring for things, not a beverage in itself.  But let's be honest, eh?
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: _Islanio on 09 Jun 2021, 21:25
I like coffee, but with sugar, nothing else. Have it like 4 or 5 times a day, it helps me with work.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: badbum61 on 09 Jun 2021, 21:34
That's not coffee, it's motor oil.
Although why you'd need a french press for it is a mystery...
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Sorflakne on 09 Jun 2021, 21:38
Well this just got interesting.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Farideh on 09 Jun 2021, 21:43
That's not coffee, it's motor oil.
Although why you'd need a french press for it is a mystery...


Depends on what else is in the motor oil, I assume.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Gus_Smedstad on 09 Jun 2021, 21:46
What you're describing is a milkshake, IMO.
Milkshakes involve ice cream. Not that I'm opposed to milkshakes made with coffee, but that's not what I'm drinking.

Nor does the SCAA agree with you. There's a whole range of terms for coffee drinks with various degrees of milk and/or water dilution. What I'm drinking is technically a flat white, since that's close to the ratio, and I heat the milk up in a microwave rather than deal with cleaning the steam wand.

No dilution: espresso.
1:1 espresso / milk: Machchiato. Technically supposed to foam rather than foamed milk but often isn't.
1:1 espresso / milk: Cortado. Foamed milk rather than foam. Pretty subtle distinction, if you ask me.
1:2 espresso / milk, but not foamed (or barely foamed): flat white.
1:4 espresso / milk: Cappuccino.
1:4 espresso / water: Americano.
1:5 espresso / milk: latte.

Really, what I'm drinking isn't remotely an outlier in the coffee world, or a "milkshake." The oddest thing I've done is make coffee using milk and ground coffee, no water, in a French Press. That got me some "you're weird" reactions from coffee nerds.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Gus_Smedstad on 09 Jun 2021, 21:57
That's not coffee, it's motor oil.
Although why you'd need a french press for it is a mystery...

Let's run with the idea that the black fluid in her cup is motor oil. As is the substance in the French Press.

New motor oil isn't black. It's a light, translucent brown. So it's used motor oil. And the French Press is there to strain out the grime. Which it doesn't do all that effectively, so the used oil is still black.

Where's the used oil coming from? Is she doing the AI equivalent of drinking her own pee?
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Gnabberwocky on 09 Jun 2021, 22:55
What exactly does Iris get out of coffee? I'm having trouble seeing Iris sniffing it the way Bubbles does with tea.

I remember a discussion between Bubbles, Marten, and Pintsize about AIs' desire to act traditionally human. Even if no one is around, it could be a comfort/identity thing for Iris.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 09 Jun 2021, 23:03
Hm, guys: I posted here about half an hour ago, and the post is gone.

That concerned me. I checked the moderation log and the place where we toss unwanted posts, and was at least able to rule out moderator action. Has this ever happened to you or anyone else before?
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: badbum61 on 09 Jun 2021, 23:31
Is she doing the AI equivalent of drinking her own pee?

I was about to posit that it could explain why she always seems so 'full of piss and vinegar'...but it appears that term doesn't mean what I always assumed it did. 

QC has done me a educate.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: BenRG on 09 Jun 2021, 23:45
Is Jeph throwing humanoid Pintsize up against a metaphorical wall trying to find out in which scenario/cast group he'd work best?
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Annemoon on 10 Jun 2021, 00:38
Scent is about the only way I can enjoy coffee.

That used to be me. I loved the smell, but drinking it was kind of awful. In my late 40's I discovered that I could drink it, even like drinking it, with enough milk and sugar.


When younger I was always given milky sugary coffee because they assumed that would be better for those not used to coffee but I hated it.. turns out I don't like milk.
I do drink coffee in small doses, but black. Super sensitive to caffeine though so I drink it rarely and only drink a tiny portion to get the same effect :')

Funny how much this differs in people, like someone else said here, others barely notice they drank it.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: zmeiat_joro on 10 Jun 2021, 00:50
Hm, guys: I posted here about half an hour ago, and the post is gone.

That concerned me. I checked the moderation log and the place where we toss unwanted posts, and was at least able to rule out moderator action. Has this ever happened to you or anyone else before?

It has not happened to me, at least. EDIT: can you check if I deleted it by accident?
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 10 Jun 2021, 07:59
Iris opens the door with the message on her mug loudly visible.

( she saw no one when she looked thru the peephole which did not improve her mood )

Pintsize could definitely make good use of Yemisi's services.

Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Wingy on 10 Jun 2021, 08:13
I hate coffee; I'm sensitive to bitter flavors in general and the idea of drinking coffee makes my mouth twitch.  I can tolerate the smell for short periods.  Coffee flavored anything is obviously not my fave. 

Maybe Iris just carries the cup around for effect, especially if she's living with Yemisi?  Or it's intended for Yemisi and Iris just hasn't gotten there yet, only to be interrupted by Pintsize, who's scared of nuthin'... and maybe about to learn what healthy fear means?  Or why AIs wear pants in public...

I carried a glass of water with me so I can "drink" in the mornings with the insufficiently-caffeinated (before my employer sent everyone home permanently).  Now that I work from home, I just keep a glass of water on my desk and sip as needed.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: David F on 10 Jun 2021, 12:33
Is Jeph throwing humanoid Pintsize up against a metaphorical wall trying to find out in which scenario/cast group he'd work best?

That feels about right... but it also feels like a plausible course of action for a newly-humanoid Pintsize trying to figure out where he now fits.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 10 Jun 2021, 17:23
I suspect that Jeph has a few gags thunk up ahead of time.
Will Pintsize adopt Yemisi's wardrobe suggestions? Or will he succeed in horrifying her?

"Yemisi! Pervert for you!"

Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Farideh on 10 Jun 2021, 18:08
New comic.

Iris is abrasive, but she did give Yemisi her coffee. That also answers the 'what does Iris want with coffee?' question. Have a smell, then hand it over for someone to drink.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Shjade on 10 Jun 2021, 19:23
New comic.

Iris is abrasive, but she did give Yemisi her coffee. That also answers the 'what does Iris want with coffee?' question. Have a smell, then hand it over for someone to drink.

Not ruling out the possibility she handed it over to deliver its message. ;p

Also this very much sounds like a Pintsize-compatible crew.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Gnabberwocky on 10 Jun 2021, 19:51
Better clear out the building; Pintsize has his chaos-goblin face on.

Huh. Pintisze has complex facial expressions now. That's gonna take some getting used to.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: St.Clair on 10 Jun 2021, 20:07
Better clear out the building; Pintsize has his chaos-goblin face on.

He doesn't even have to do anything, just watch.

dance, monkeys, dance.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: DaiJB on 10 Jun 2021, 20:20
OK, Pintsize is clearly falling in love  :-D
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Gyrre on 10 Jun 2021, 20:28
That's not coffee, it's motor oil.
Although why you'd need a french press for it is a mystery...

Let's run with the idea that the black fluid in her cup is motor oil. As is the substance in the French Press.

New motor oil isn't black. It's a light, translucent brown. So it's used motor oil. And the French Press is there to strain out the grime. Which it doesn't do all that effectively, so the used oil is still black.

Where's the used oil coming from? Is she doing the AI equivalent of drinking her own pee?

But wouldn't an AI want to consume machine grease instead for their joints? It coats longer and fresh machine grease is --oddly enough-- milk white.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Gyrre on 10 Jun 2021, 20:31
I hate coffee; I'm sensitive to bitter flavors in general and the idea of drinking coffee makes my mouth twitch.  I can tolerate the smell for short periods.  Coffee flavored anything is obviously not my fave. 

Maybe Iris just carries the cup around for effect, especially if she's living with Yemisi?  Or it's intended for Yemisi and Iris just hasn't gotten there yet, only to be interrupted by Pintsize, who's scared of nuthin'... and maybe about to learn what healthy fear means?  Or why AIs wear pants in public...

I carried a glass of water with me so I can "drink" in the mornings with the insufficiently-caffeinated (before my employer sent everyone home permanently).  Now that I work from home, I just keep a glass of water on my desk and sip as needed.

Ditto to the extreme sensitivity to bitter flavors.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: BenRG on 10 Jun 2021, 23:54
Jeph telegraphs pretty clearly, doesn't he? Intentionally, in this case because I don't think that it's possible to draw a character accidentally revealing your thoughts

Unlike most people, I don't think that Pintsize is crushing on any of the Three Fates. I think that he's having a nostalgia trip, remembering the atmosphere of sexual tension, confusion and bursts of hostility (partially charged by self-loathing) at the apartment before Marten, Faye and Hannelore grew up and got serious. He misses that atmosphere.

I think that Jeph misses it too and I suspect that he's looking for a way to recreate it. The Secret Bakery characters weren't a direct hit and I'm wondering if he thinks that he may have finally hit on the mark with the Three Fates' domesticity.

[EDIT]
So, is  this the way forward for Questionable Content?
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Meander on 11 Jun 2021, 03:36
Jeph should add it to his merchandise page

I had the exact same thought.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: traroth on 11 Jun 2021, 04:17
My love goes to italian ristretto, with sugar. The concentrated coffee flavor invading the whole mouth-nose area is delightful! But I also like a good cappucino or latte for breakfast.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: traroth on 11 Jun 2021, 04:18
I can't decide if Pintsize's face in the last panel is creepy or cute...

Or maybe is he falling in love with Yemisi?
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: John Allenson on 11 Jun 2021, 06:48
I like the way that Pintsize's smile grows through this comic.

And while this is a valid argument, "please do not make my living quarters your work space"; it is bad form to have this argument in front of the other person's client.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: beeawwb on 11 Jun 2021, 06:53
https://imgur.com/a/vbhHKK4 (https://imgur.com/a/vbhHKK4)

We were all thinking it, right? (Sorry, I can’t figure out how to embed the image.)
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Gus_Smedstad on 11 Jun 2021, 07:35
When younger I was always given milky sugary coffee because they assumed that would be better for those not used to coffee but I hated it.. turns out I don't like milk.

This is another area where I’m a weird outlier. I like milk. I drink it with every meal, where other people drink water, wine, or beer.

Milk fat content has some bearing. I’m not fond of anything below 2%. If I could get away with drinking whole milk I would, but, y’know, calories.

My wife doesn’t like milk. Her theory is that it’s because she grew up drinking nonfat milk, which even I agree isn’t great tasting.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Gus_Smedstad on 11 Jun 2021, 07:44
Iris is abrasive, but she did give Yemisi her coffee.

Did she? I mean, yeah, I agree, that’s what it looks like, but did that happen?

We don’t see the transfer. Yemisi’s hands are off-panel left and then she’s got coffee, so it’s entirely plausible she poured some from the French Press, and Iris still has her cup.

Yes, the mug says “fuck you,” but they may own multiple “fuck you” mugs.

EDIT: I’m probably wrong. Yemisi’s hand is off-panel in panel 1, but she doesn’t have coffee until panel 3, and it sure does look like Iris is handing over the mug in panel 2. I thought she was just gesturing.

—-

On an unrelated note, Pintsize is now apparently wearing his tie as a belt.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Gus_Smedstad on 11 Jun 2021, 07:52
fresh machine grease is --oddly enough-- milk white.
This is giving me flashbacks to the androids from the Alien(s) movies. Though that milk white stuff they use for blood isn’t very viscous.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: oddtail on 11 Jun 2021, 08:47
Milk fat content has some bearing. I’m not fond of anything below 2%.

I don't consider anything below 2% to be milk. It's a milk-derived substance. The taste is wrong, the texture is wrong.

As to calories - low-fat milk still has milk sugars in it. Full-fat milk is more filling, so you'll end up drinking less of it by volume.

I vaguely recall reading a summary of a study where two groups of volunteers were drinking full-fat milk vs no-fat milk. The group drinking the no-fat milk put on more weight on average than the full-fat group *or* the control group, in a statistically significant way.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: sitnspin on 11 Jun 2021, 09:04
I drink coffee like it is water. Always black. Coffee needs no additives. Unless it's whisky. But even then, I prefer my two favourite beverage separate.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 11 Jun 2021, 09:24
However you hold the mug, its message is always towards the person you want to grouch at.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: ischaemia on 11 Jun 2021, 11:29
So precisely how much clamoring needs to happen before Jeph releases "FUCK YOU" mugs on topatoco? I'd totally buy some, I love silly mugs.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Roborat on 11 Jun 2021, 12:37
I can't figure out Pintsize's expression in the last panel.  Either he has just fallen in love with someone, or he realizes that he just found his people.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: hedgie on 11 Jun 2021, 13:24
I drink coffee like it is water. Always black. Coffee needs no additives. Unless it's whisky. But even then, I prefer my two favourite beverage separate.

I do like a good black coffee, but there is something to be said about Vietnamese coffee and the condensed milk.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Wingy on 11 Jun 2021, 13:27
He just found his new people is the way I read that.  Now we have to have a week of Pintsize getting out of his companionship contract and moving on and Marten/Claire having to adjust to life without him.  Prediction: this will cause Martin some discontent and who knows where that leads since Claire has now signaled she'll take any job to be near Marten.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: David F on 11 Jun 2021, 14:13
I can't figure out Pintsize's expression in the last panel.  Either he has just fallen in love with someone, or he realizes that he just found his people.

That smile reminds me a lot of the Grinch, that face-consuming smile as he conceives of his "wonderful, awful idea".  Pintsize may not yet realize that his expression reveals his scheming.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: dutchrvl on 11 Jun 2021, 14:51
He just found his new people is the way I read that.  Now we have to have a week of Pintsize getting out of his companionship contract and moving on and Marten/Claire having to adjust to life without him.  Prediction: this will cause Martin some discontent and who knows where that leads since Claire has now signaled she'll take any job to be near Marten.

ANy job to be near Marten? Hmm, interesting, up til now I have read it as she will take any job to avoid facing possible rejections on librarian jobs (and perhaps in part also avoiding inevitable difficult conversations when a job far away presents itself).

While I appreciate QC's evolution into its current, quite humanoid AI-centric form, I will really miss the non-humanoid AIs. Plus, I feel there are still many possibilities with the OG cast members even when focusing a lot more on the newer cast. Especially Marten I feel has received relatively little attention in terms of his growth and development. But, perhaps JJ feels like the trials and tribulations of a privileged white straight male is not something that needs any attention in QC given how many much more important issues he could address in-comic?
I don't disagree there, actually.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 11 Jun 2021, 18:26
We talk about Marten getting Pintsize assigned by mistake, but this is a reminder that Marten was not the right companion for Pintsize.

I am thinking of dialog from the theater version of A Wrinkle in Time:
Quote
You people are so weird!
(beat)
For the first time in my life I feel at home.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Shjade on 11 Jun 2021, 21:18
Especially Marten I feel has received relatively little attention in terms of his growth and development. But, perhaps JJ feels like the trials and tribulations of a privileged white straight male is not something that needs any attention in QC given how many much more important issues he could address in-comic?
I don't disagree there, actually.

Marten also just seems like he's in a decent spot at the moment. I wouldn't be surprised if things pivot back to him in future, but in the meantime, no need to watch Marten eating cereal.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: St.Clair on 11 Jun 2021, 21:37
I can't figure out Pintsize's expression in the last panel.  Either he has just fallen in love with someone, or he realizes that he just found his people.

That smile reminds me a lot of the Grinch, that face-consuming smile as he conceives of his "wonderful, awful idea".  Pintsize may not yet realize that his expression reveals his scheming.

That is, in fact, the image I expected beeawwb to be linking to on the last page, before I clicked on it.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Oenone on 12 Jun 2021, 09:52
It’ll be interesting to see the “sides” that form if Pintsize wants to break his contract — based on Marigold and Momo, the assumption seems to be that humans do the rejecting, not the other way around.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Mr Intrepid on 12 Jun 2021, 13:31
That's always been the tenet,  from where I sit, that the AI and the human companion, contract with each other.  The question arises: with whom does the ownership of the chassis reside?  Does Marten still have a proprietary interest in Pintsize's chassis?  Or does it amortize over time, and devolve to the AI?  It seems we've seen both.  Marigold and Hanilore "gifted" the new chassis that Momo and Winslow received.  May got hers via crowdfunding.  Bubble's chassis was perhaps declared surplus and transferred to her?


Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: dutchrvl on 12 Jun 2021, 14:24
It’ll be interesting to see the “sides” that form if Pintsize wants to break his contract — based on Marigold and Momo, the assumption seems to be that humans do the rejecting, not the other way around.

I could be wrong, but hasn’t it been established in-comic long ago that each side can basically choose to end it whenever they want to? I.e. basically like any friendship, anAI can leave anytime they want to.

I imagine in the contract it may be explicitly stated that the human under no circumstances has any claim over their companions chassis, otherwise there would way too often be a warped power dynamic.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Farideh on 12 Jun 2021, 15:25
Yes, either party can leave the contract (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2284).
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Gus_Smedstad on 12 Jun 2021, 20:05
I was thinking "how did she find that comic? That seems really difficult" and then I thought "does Google image search work with suitable keywords?"

Yes, yes it does. #2284 is the second hit for "questionable content contract."
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Farideh on 13 Jun 2021, 01:13
I think I searched for 'questionable content Momo contract'
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 13 Jun 2021, 11:53
Jeph said once that AIs are the legal owners of the bodies they are in, but that must not have applied to the nuclear sub.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Mr_Rose on 13 Jun 2021, 12:02
Jeph said once that AIs are the legal owners of the bodies they are in, but that must not have applied to the nuclear sub.
I would assume that a) the military gets its own set of laws as usual and b) if the sub wasn’t listed as “issued equipment” then it was under a specific contract regarding demobilisation of the individual. Besides I strongly suspect that nuclear submarines aren’t part of the companionship programme anyway.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: stayctee on 13 Jun 2021, 14:12
I just perused the cast page to see if I could figure out for myself who Yemisi is and why Pintsize is going to see her right now (a little help, anyone? I'm not a new reader just very forgetful) and ----- I MISS RAVEN!!! What happened to her???
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Penquin47 on 13 Jun 2021, 15:46
Yemisi is one of the three Burrito Place Girls, with Iris and Willow.  She's a personal shopper, as shown when she visited her client Yay Newfriend.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Blackjoker on 13 Jun 2021, 15:47
Jeph said once that AIs are the legal owners of the bodies they are in, but that must not have applied to the nuclear sub.

Ok so...my guess is that the answer would be 'probably not' but I am now wondering if May had been fast enough to get the fighter jet body and upload into it that even if she would still be arrested that the body in question would still be considered her own due to technicality.

Also, on the note of ownership back near hte beginning there were anthropc parks and one of the anthropcs commented about being shut down and being repainted and changed and hating the new look, that was clearly a nonconsensual body modding so would the owner be liable for damaging the AIs property or is that one of those things we kind of handwave from the earliest periods as the world was still finding its feet?
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Penquin47 on 13 Jun 2021, 16:16
I think that was handwaved away as the strip went away from AI as robopets to AI as companions/individuals with rights.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Torlek on 13 Jun 2021, 17:03
Ok so...my guess is that the answer would be 'probably not' but I am now wondering if May had been fast enough to get the fighter jet body and upload into it that even if she would still be arrested that the body in question would still be considered her own due to technicality.

Probably not given that she would have bought it with stolen funds.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Blackjoker on 13 Jun 2021, 18:20
Ok so...my guess is that the answer would be 'probably not' but I am now wondering if May had been fast enough to get the fighter jet body and upload into it that even if she would still be arrested that the body in question would still be considered her own due to technicality.

Probably not given that she would have bought it with stolen funds.

That would be my guess admittedly but I suddenly imagined a setup where the laws technically as written didn't account for the body being gained illegally and were more 'once you are uploaded into it it is your and cannot be taken'
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: hedgie on 13 Jun 2021, 18:38
Also, on the note of ownership back near hte beginning there were anthropc parks and one of the anthropcs commented about being shut down and being repainted and changed and hating the new look, that was clearly a nonconsensual body modding so would the owner be liable for damaging the AIs property or is that one of those things we kind of handwave from the earliest periods as the world was still finding its feet?

It’s really hard to say.  I’m never sure how much early comics are still considered canon, or what has been implicitly retconned.  They’re also far back enough that I’m not really troubled by continuity errors.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Gnabberwocky on 13 Jun 2021, 19:49
I think that was handwaved away as the strip went away from AI as robopets to AI as companions/individuals with rights.

I'm not sure there was any handwaving involved. In the comic (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1900) where Clinton was interviewing Marten, he mentioned a constitutional amendment and implied that it had been added recently. It probably was legal to treat AIs as personal possessions prior to that act, and if I remember my very limited law knowledge correctly, you can't be convicted of a crime that wasn't a crime when you did it.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 13 Jun 2021, 19:54
I just perused the cast page to see if I could figure out for myself who Yemisi is and why Pintsize is going to see her right now (a little help, anyone? I'm not a new reader just very forgetful) and ----- I MISS RAVEN!!! What happened to her???

Ahh, you are about to discover a resource!

The QC wiki has been a labor of love by many for years.

https://questionablecontent.fandom.com/wiki/Them

I think Jeph ran out of things to do with Raven. I miss her too.

A possible explanation for the change in the way AIs are portrayed and treated in the strip is the long civil rights struggle that Momo mentioned. The AI ERA happened well after the non-consensual body mods.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Tova on 13 Jun 2021, 20:05
"I write for characters based solely on interest and ideas, so yeah if I’m bored by a character there’s a very good chance we won’t be seeing them again."
- Jeph Jacques
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: DaiJB on 13 Jun 2021, 20:15
I think that was handwaved away as the strip went away from AI as robopets to AI as companions/individuals with rights.

I'm not sure there was any handwaving involved. In the comic (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1900) where Clinton was interviewing Marten, he mentioned a constitutional amendment and implied that it had been added recently. It probably was legal to treat AIs as personal possessions prior to that act, and if I remember my very limited law knowledge correctly, you can't be convicted of a crime that wasn't a crime when you did it.

I'm reckon any owner/possession relationship would have disappeared pretty soon after the Singularity occurred, just before #1777: https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1777 (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1777)
https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1780 (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1780)
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Scarlet Manuka on 14 Jun 2021, 02:50
That would be my guess admittedly but I suddenly imagined a setup where the laws technically as written didn't account for the body being gained illegally and were more 'once you are uploaded into it it is your and cannot be taken'
It's clearly permissible for an AI to be forced out of their body temporarily if they are sent to Robot Jail (the body assignment guy explains (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=4173) that most AIs who wish to be embodied have a body to return to upon release), but I don't know of anything in the comic (post-singularity) that addresses whether an AI could be permanently deprived of the chassis they were in.

But I would think that more broadly this would fall under the general law that says you're not entitled to keep the proceeds of a crime. I'm pretty sure the chassis would be considered legally to be property (usually owned by the AI inhabiting it, but not necessarily so) and could be repossessed like any other property given cause - any other approach raises a host of issues. They might have written in some restrictions but it's highly unlikely it would be "under no circumstances whatsoever".

The large equipment AIs (nuclear reactors, submarines, fighter jets, space stations, etc.) probably would not usually own their chassis (Station might be an exception, given that he seems to own a large amount of E-C stock). Instead these would be owned by the power company or the military or whoever, and AIs would be paid a salary to work in them. Then if they wished to move on from that job, they would go back to being disembodied (or to their previous body if they had one), or to a new body that they would have to buy. An AI that was rich enough could buy its own chassis, as May tried to do, and set up essentially as an independent contractor. But given the fighter jet May wanted to get into cost IIRC $750 million, this is obviously not how most of them operate.

In Roko's case, we know that (before the Crushbot incident) she'd been in the same body since "birth", but seems to have gotten enhancements when she joined the police (which might actually have been when she left the creche, for all we know) - Lemon states that Roko got extra reinforcement as part of her law enforcement package (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3907). So this is probably on a basis along the lines of "we give you this enhancement when you join up and you don't have to pay for it if you stick around for x years". It's not clear how it would be handled for an AI who wanted to join the police but wasn't already embodied. It could be as simple as "you must provide your own body meeting these minimum specifications", or the police might own a number of available bodies that could be handled similarly to the large equipment ones, though they might deduct a fee from your salary if they're providing you a body. Or they might operate a "rent to buy" kind of scheme (and surely there would be third party body shops that offer this sort of service too).

For the smaller (humanoid and down) military chassis like Bubbles and OG Pintsize, it seems less likely that these would be enhanced civilian chassis; they are probably purpose built for military applications. There is obviously some ability to remain in their bodies after being de-weaponised. Whether this is a similar "stay in the military for x years and you can keep the body" deal (possibly with x varying depending on the type of body - Bubbles' is surely more expensive than Pintsize's) is unknown; it might also be that the body is a debt they have to pay off after leaving (probably depreciated depending on how long they were in). Presumably some AIs don't particularly want to keep their military chassis when they leave the military, opting instead for either disembodiment or a standard civilian chassis, but it would be cruel to force those who have become tightly integrated with their bodies out of them. And the military is probably able to afford reasonably generous exit provisions.

To my mind the most unclear aspect of this is how it works when an AI leaves the creche and wants to become embodied. Who pays for the chassis? Do AIs in the creche have their own funds, and if so where do they come from? Does whoever commissioned the AI to be created leave it a nest egg? More fundamentally, why are new AIs ever created, post-AI rights? It makes sense pre-AI rights that you could commission an AI to be constructed, which would then work for you indefinitely. In a post-AI rights world, where an AI once constructed is free to choose its own employment, where's the benefit to anyone in creating one? Do you just hope it has enough of a sense of gratitude to sign up to your service for long enough for you to get some return on investment? That sounds like a very shaky proposition to me and I can't see any organisation going for it - and yet the alternative of "this AI must work for company X for a minimum period of 7 years" is essentially AI slavery, which presumably is no longer allowed.

And yes, you can ask the same question about why people have children, which isn't generally because they're looking for ROI, but the key difference is that AIs are functionally immortal, particularly since they can transfer into more advanced bodies when their current ones become obsolete. That changes pretty much everything.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Mr_Rose on 14 Jun 2021, 04:32
I’m pretty sure that AIs wishing to get a body on leaving the crèche join the Companionship programme, if they don’t find any other job that comes with a body appealing.

As for Bubbles, specifically, I think that for security reasons related to enemy actors potentially replacing the on board AI with an infiltrator she probably can’t leave that chassis. She was entered into the warbot programme before the AI rights amendment passed, after all.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Gyrre on 14 Jun 2021, 04:41
Jeph said once that AIs are the legal owners of the bodies they are in, but that must not have applied to the nuclear sub.

"Within reason" is my mantra and feels like it applies as an unspoken qualifier.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: BenRG on 14 Jun 2021, 06:09
Jeph said once that AIs are the legal owners of the bodies they are in, but that must not have applied to the nuclear sub.

"Within reason" is my mantra and feels like it applies as an unspoken qualifier.

"Unspoken qualifier" has a very shaky relationship with the law. That's why contract attorneys exist.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: sitnspin on 14 Jun 2021, 07:09
I am fairly certain there are specific hardline exceptions, especially in the case of military hardware, such as the aforementioned attack sub. I imagine in that particular instance, the sub was more akin, legally speaking, to allocated gear than a body, and was stipulated as such in their military contract.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: stayctee on 14 Jun 2021, 07:25
I just perused the cast page to see if I could figure out for myself who Yemisi is and why Pintsize is going to see her right now (a little help, anyone? I'm not a new reader just very forgetful) and ----- I MISS RAVEN!!! What happened to her???

Ahh, you are about to discover a resource!

The QC wiki has been a labor of love by many for years.

https://questionablecontent.fandom.com/wiki/Them

I think Jeph ran out of things to do with Raven. I miss her too.

A possible explanation for the change in the way AIs are portrayed and treated in the strip is the long civil rights struggle that Momo mentioned. The AI ERA happened well after the non-consensual body mods.

Whoa, thanks! I can't wait to explore that. :D
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: keithcurtis on 14 Jun 2021, 07:36
Internet Jerry terrifies me. Who sells a body out of the back of a van? Who buys one?

I mean, besides Pintsize.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: BenRG on 14 Jun 2021, 08:04
Internet Jerry terrifies me. Who sells a body out of the back of a van? Who buys one?

I mean, besides Pintsize.

The desperate. May's character arc shows that there are plenty of AIs in exactly that position.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Wingy on 14 Jun 2021, 12:29
... if I remember my very limited law knowledge correctly, you can't be convicted of a crime that wasn't a crime when you did it.
That's called an Ex Post Facto ruling, and yes, it's not legal in the USA.  I can't speak for other countries.  See also:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_post_facto_law#United_States (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_post_facto_law#United_States)  Several other countries are listed.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Gnabberwocky on 14 Jun 2021, 14:25
Internet Jerry terrifies me. Who sells a body out of the back of a van? Who buys one?

I mean, besides Pintsize.

It's a little-known fact that "who does ____" is the incantation to summon Barry.
Title: Re: WCDT June 7th - June 11th (4541-4545)
Post by: Blackjoker on 15 Jun 2021, 20:13
Internet Jerry terrifies me. Who sells a body out of the back of a van? Who buys one?

I mean, besides Pintsize.

Someone who does a lot of gray market work, and who probably acts as a fence and fixer for anthropcs that end up in trouble and need to hide or change identities quickly? It also might be important depending on the way that the used body market works out