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Title: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: badbum61 on 27 Jun 2021, 18:38
No, Faye. BAD Faye! AIs are NOT property!

(is Faye becoming the new chaos gremlin?)
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: shanejayell on 27 Jun 2021, 18:40
I'm impressed Faye can carry her like that. Even assuming a lot of light weight plastics, she can't be light....

Edit: Voted Other. Do we even NEED a chaos gremlin any more?
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: DaiJB on 27 Jun 2021, 18:53
 :laugh: "She just wandered in! Can we keep her?!"
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: Gnabberwocky on 27 Jun 2021, 18:57
Remember how the whole reason they got this apartment was because they wanted more space per person?
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: Gus_Smedstad on 27 Jun 2021, 18:58
No, Faye. BAD Faye! AIs are NOT property!

I was just going to say that. Given how non-reactive she is, it appears her surprise from the earlier strip has rendered Beepatrice catatonic.

RE: The poll. The obvious candidate is Skullmaster, Master of Skulls.
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: Farideh on 27 Jun 2021, 19:33
I'm impressed Faye can carry her like that. Even assuming a lot of light weight plastics, she can't be light....

Edit: Voted Other. Do we even NEED a chaos gremlin any more?


Ditto. I don't think Pintsize needs a replacement.
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: BarGamer on 27 Jun 2021, 19:40
Good thing Pintsize wasn't here to vote; He'd immediately make a "Marten's harem" joke.
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: DaiJB on 27 Jun 2021, 20:52
Regarding the poll: "Other" - no reason why Pintsize can't be a new improved(?) Chaos Gremlin - taller, more dexterous...more trouble  :evil:
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: awkwardness on 27 Jun 2021, 23:20
Re: poll...depending on how you look at things, May is the go-to now for sarcasm, jokes, and insults from an AI while general odd, destructive, questionable antics that job has fallen to Melon.


Re: the strip. You have to love Beeps' expression as Faye carries her- it's the classic "what have I gotten myself into" look.
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: Boxer on 28 Jun 2021, 01:59
Good thing Pintsize wasn't here to vote; He'd immediately make a "Marten's harem" joke.
or Faye's Harem? There are a lot of robot ladies around.

"Faye, put her down you already have a robot girlfriend"
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: Gyrre on 28 Jun 2021, 02:44
Faye, while Beeps is precious in her own right, no.
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 28 Jun 2021, 04:45
I'd make that trade in a flash.
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: notStanley on 28 Jun 2021, 12:54
Melon could be a decent "Chaos Gremlin", her antics are more Neutral/Lawful, compared to Pintsize leaning much into the Chaotic quadrants.  Feels like she would be more like the original NetFlix Chaos Monkey just keeping everyone on their toes.
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: Shjade on 28 Jun 2021, 13:12
I'm reasonably sure Pintsize remains the chaos gremlin.

He's just rebranding a bit.
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: Farideh on 28 Jun 2021, 18:39
New comic.

Would a 'psychic' AI just be able to hack into other's brians?
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: Gus_Smedstad on 28 Jun 2021, 19:33
Hah! I'll have Faye know that my telepathy only works on AIs. I know this because we haven't invented true AI in this world yet. Hence, the complete silence.

Would a 'psychic' AI just be able to hack into other's brians?
Not unless it's a projecting telepath. Which is actually a harder problem than just listening in to other people's brains. You have to reach in and induce currents in their brains, in addition to detecting those currents.
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: hedgie on 28 Jun 2021, 19:42
I’m sure that the old Pintsize has probably been arrested for sniffing packets.
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: Gyrre on 28 Jun 2021, 20:27
'Ghosts' generally, or something more specific? I know the 'stone record' notion falls under the ghost category despite not involving spirits.

I’m sure that the old Pintsize has probably been arrested for sniffing packets.

Flippin zip! I'm too tired to be up right now. It took me way to long to parse that you meant data packets and not some sort of grocery item.

EDIT: I'm already going to bed.
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: Farideh on 28 Jun 2021, 20:37
You're not the only one! I read 'sniffing packets' and thought of drugs... And it's only 15:30 over here.
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: shanejayell on 28 Jun 2021, 20:38
Are 'ghosts' actually bodyless AIs projecting their minds back in time?  :-P
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: Farideh on 28 Jun 2021, 23:40
That sounds like something Yay would do.
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: Gyrre on 29 Jun 2021, 00:27
Are 'ghosts' actually bodyless AIs projecting their minds back in time?  :-P

Or into poorly insulated modems á la Futurama?
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: awkwardness on 29 Jun 2021, 00:32
CLaire...just shut up while you're behind. Just because you have a higher degree doesn't give you the right to force your views on others. Just because YOU don't believe in it doesn't give you the right to talk down to people who do. Unless they are forcing their views on you, STFU.

As for the strip: data can be intercepted and deciphered and since AI consciences can reside online it's no different than intercepting packets and putting together data. You'd have to be able to read code, but that's doable...from the mind? That might be stretching things but who knows with the way they're working with AIs in the QC Universe: it might be possible and done already for all we know.
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: awkwardness on 29 Jun 2021, 00:33
Are 'ghosts' actually bodyless AIs projecting their minds back in time?  :-P

...that is scary in that it could be true. In the past it was gas causing hallucinations and people exaggerating claims out of fear or money reasons but nowadays that could be the truth!
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: Gus_Smedstad on 29 Jun 2021, 07:09
Unless they are forcing their views on you, STFU.

That’s a pretty extreme overreaction.

Claire is not “behind,” and she is, in fact, completely correct.

I’ve never been fond of this idea that just because a person has irrational and/or superstitious beliefs, they get to shut down all discussion of that subject. Not all beliefs are equally valid, and not all beliefs are worthy of respect.

Take Flat Earthers, for example. Are we seriously supposed to STFU every time they mention the idea that the Earth is flat? Because asserting reality will offend them?

In this particular instance, it’s possible that Beeps might be offended that Claire pointed out that psychic powers are imaginary, but in context, it seems more likely that Beeps is just psychic-curious rather than a zealot on the subject. A little credulous, perhaps, but probably open to a simple explanation of why they’re not real.
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: Gus_Smedstad on 29 Jun 2021, 07:11
I read 'sniffing packets' and thought of drugs...

I assumed that it was a joke, an intentional play on words conflating a technical term with drug use. We’re talking about Pintsize, after all.
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: stayctee on 29 Jun 2021, 07:49
Aaaaaand I don't like Claire.
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: Timemaster on 29 Jun 2021, 08:13
I like Claire.   :lol:

I like her because she is literate and adheres to scientific thinking. And she doesn‘t restrain from calling other peoples beliefs bullshit when they actually are, just for the sake of missunderstood politeness and political correctness.

Go for it, Claire!   :claireface:
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: Wingy on 29 Jun 2021, 10:39
Notice that Claire didn't attack either Faye or Beeps personally; she just put it out there for everyone to hear and comprehend in their own fashion.  My observation of zealots is they won't hear it in the first place, and people who are just curious are likely to be wrestling with similar thoughts in the first place and in the second place will probably not pick up any intended implied insult.

Besides, it's more like the mental equivalent of watching an analog TV on a band with no station broadcasting: I believe the official term is "ant races" though many call it "snow".  That's if you can find an analog TV anymore...
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: notStanley on 29 Jun 2021, 11:18
Another vote for Claire.  Especially since her comment was not a flat declaration, but includes appropriate modifiers [considering assumptions seems unreasonable].   

I am skeptical, but acknowledge it is a large universe.  And we are just beginning to understand our little bubble of space/time, hard to quantify what kind of subtle nuances could exist out there under different energy regimes.   

Though until then, anything that might be there is drowned out in so much noise that practically it might as well not exist.  Please feel free to continue researching, a lot has been done by those whose contemporaries had pushed out.  But accept the limited funding / respect until there are some repeatable results. 
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: mneme on 29 Jun 2021, 18:19
Nobody can take Pintsizes place as a chaos gremlin.  That said, Melon will likely fill in until Pintsize has enough growth to fill some of his own shoes again in a very different way (but not literally, because there's no way New Pintsize can fit in those shoes).

I love Babs' reaction today.  She just jumps right to the uber-professional "yeaaaaah, we're going to look over your new body and make sure it's not a (figurative, thank you, Lemon) lemon." approach, not taking any Pintsize's nonsense, but also being a mensh even while insisting (yay, businesswoman; Pintsize has money anyway) in being paid.


Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: Oenone on 29 Jun 2021, 18:26
I kinda love Faye here — she’s channeling brusque, borderline mean Faye but it’s combined with the genuine concern/kindness of new!Faye. I dig it.
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: Farideh on 29 Jun 2021, 18:51
Well, nobody wants Pintsize to start dripping motor oil on the carpet :D
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: shanejayell on 29 Jun 2021, 19:21
Could be a used piece of crap like May's old body. So, yeah...
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: Gyrre on 29 Jun 2021, 21:11
Are 'ghosts' actually bodyless AIs projecting their minds back in time?  :-P

...that is scary in that it could be true. In the past it was gas causing hallucinations and people exaggerating claims out of fear or money reasons but nowadays that could be the truth!

And infrasonic resonance from clunky old machines.
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: awkwardness on 29 Jun 2021, 21:38
Unless they are forcing their views on you, STFU.

That’s a pretty extreme overreaction.

No. Not when it's insulting someone's beliefs just because you think of yourself as "educated". How is this any different than someone going after someone because they don't believe in their religion or someone who believes in wicca or witchcraft?

Funny, Claire hasn't had anything to say about Dora's belief in wicca...yet she insults the belief in ghosts.
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: awkwardness on 29 Jun 2021, 21:41
Faye has good reason for doing what she's doing, but she's smart in trying to make a buck off of someone who has been her nemesis for years and who would happily put something in his body just to make someone gag or scream or get any kind of reaction.

I hope Pintsize can take it because he's been dishing it out for years! Plus Faye just admitted that he was a friend- that's a huge leap in their friendship IMHO.
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: badbum61 on 29 Jun 2021, 22:01
...or pigeons. 
 
https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3087 (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3087)
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: Wombt on 29 Jun 2021, 22:11
Faye has good reason for doing what she's doing, but she's smart in trying to make a buck off of someone who has been her nemesis for years and who would happily put something in his body just to make someone gag or scream or get any kind of reaction.

I hope Pintsize can take it because he's been dishing it out for years! Plus Faye just admitted that he was a friend- that's a huge leap in their friendship IMHO.
Between this an your previous comment, I feel like we're reading different comics.

To clarify: in yesterday's strip, they were discussing psychics, with ghosts only being mentioned out of comic in the author comment. Today, Faye *refutes* that they're friends, or at least that refutes him getting a friend discount.
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: BenRG on 29 Jun 2021, 23:28
I think that this strip is one of the best summaries of the character of Faye, as she is now, that we've seen in a while. She is still very assertive and isn't brilliant with boundaries (I think that the consistent point Jeph has made in the strip for years is that no-one is that good with those in the end). However, in the end, she wants to help her friends. Notice that her first concern is to make sure it is in good condition. Why? Because, yes, he is a friend, as poor as both characters in this strip are in general at showing those feelings sometimes.

Also, no, Pintsize doesn't qualify for a discount. Not only can Faye probably not afford it, I suspect that he doesn't have money problems.

Oddly enough, this strip has the feeling to me as a weird sort of metaphor of what it must be like to have a friend who is a doctor: You sometimes get unplanned physicals and unsolicited diagnoses!
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: DaiJB on 29 Jun 2021, 23:58
It appears that Internet Jerry has an unsavoury rep among reputable AI dealers - what a surprise  :roll:

I like how Faye's first response is concern for the annoying little goblin's well-being - well-disguised concern, wrapped in Faye-barbs.

Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: BenRG on 30 Jun 2021, 00:11
It appears that Internet Jerry has an unsavoury rep among reputable AI dealers - what a surprise  :roll:

Given that Faye and Bubbles are a back-street repair shop staffed by a pair who used to work at an illegal fighting ring, it is clear that Internet Jerry has a bad reputation amongst disreputable synthetic technology professionals too!

I like how Faye's first response is concern for the annoying little goblin's well-being - well-disguised concern, wrapped in Faye-barbs.

Well, Pintsize is her friend, after all.
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 30 Jun 2021, 07:40
See, you stuff the gearbox full of sawdust and it stops those grinding noises.
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: John Allenson on 30 Jun 2021, 07:47
My thoughts on Faye:
Of course she knows Internet Jerry.
To Faye, Pintsize is an annoying pest whom she has to put up with.  That's more like family than friends.  (I'm sure she'd have similar reactions to her sister.)
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: _Islanio on 30 Jun 2021, 09:07
He didn't even do anything bad. Yet.
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: SmilingCat on 30 Jun 2021, 10:33
To clarify: in yesterday's strip, they were discussing psychics, with ghosts only being mentioned out of comic in the author comment. Today, Faye *refutes* that they're friends, or at least that refutes him getting a friend discount.

That's not a "we're not friends" refusal. That's a "you're my friend so I'm going to make sure you're okay, but you did something reckless so I'm sure as hell not going to reward you for it" refusal.

Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: Wombt on 30 Jun 2021, 10:43
To clarify: in yesterday's strip, they were discussing psychics, with ghosts only being mentioned out of comic in the author comment. Today, Faye *refutes* that they're friends, or at least that refutes him getting a friend discount.

That's not a "we're not friends" refusal. That's a "you're my friend so I'm going to make sure you're okay, but you did something reckless so I'm sure as hell not going to reward you for it" refusal.
I mean, I think they're friends, but I also don't see this as Faye outright acknowledging it, which is what I was responding to.
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: Inconsequential on 30 Jun 2021, 14:56
He didn't even do anything bad. Yet.

Well, he's been swanning around shirtless, wearing socks with sandals, pink hotpants, a pink tie, and a retractable USB cable attached to what would be the "peculiars" of a human body.

That's got to be a set of crimes of some sort.

Maybe he should ask Marigold to buy her very worst t-shirts...


Overall, I gotta be honest: it seemed inevitable that Pintsize would get a new body sooner or later, but I thought it would be a hell of a lot weirder. I mean, I'm sure this one is internally very damn weird, but hey; a head, two arms, two legs, ten fingers, two eyes...
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: _Islanio on 30 Jun 2021, 16:15
I was just referring to his words, btw.
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: Farideh on 30 Jun 2021, 18:10
New comic.

Yay certainly has an... interesting outlook on life.

"We will take your cat with us. Feel free to undress Clinton as soon as he sets foot in the apartment.

...

Maybe close the door first."
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: shanejayell on 30 Jun 2021, 19:59
Poor Elliot. Also, how often is Yay just randomly hanging out there? :D
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: Farideh on 30 Jun 2021, 20:16
Elliot did say that Yay could come over whenever they wanted
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: Beast_Reborn on 30 Jun 2021, 20:40
Re. Claire's skepticism about psychics, I don't think there's any need to get offended on other characters' behalf. For one thing, Beeps doesn't seem to be easily offended, and her attitude here is like Hannelore's father (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2145) wanting to test out his Ghostbusters invention rather than clinging to a cherished belief. Actually, in QC world, there really aren't any true believers in the supernatural. I'm not sure if Jeph would even be able to write such a character. Claire has the same scientific/skeptical attitude as Clinton (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=4450) (they think alike in a lot of ways), while others like Dora and Willow follow magic, astrology, or whatnot because they find it personally helpful, without taking the associated beliefs too seriously in literal terms.
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: awkwardness on 30 Jun 2021, 20:56
Faye has good reason for doing what she's doing, but she's smart in trying to make a buck off of someone who has been her nemesis for years and who would happily put something in his body just to make someone gag or scream or get any kind of reaction.

I hope Pintsize can take it because he's been dishing it out for years! Plus Faye just admitted that he was a friend- that's a huge leap in their friendship IMHO.
Between this an your previous comment, I feel like we're reading different comics.

To clarify: in yesterday's strip, they were discussing psychics, with ghosts only being mentioned out of comic in the author comment. Today, Faye *refutes* that they're friends, or at least that refutes him getting a friend discount.

I give up then. My apologies for daring to make a statement on someone being an idiot about something then dare to make a statement about two characters who have a long and convoluted antagonistic relationship. My apologies for not following the herd.
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: Farideh on 30 Jun 2021, 21:17
Nobody says that you have to follow the herd. You're allowed to feel however you want about characters' actions, and you're also allowed to talk about that on the forum. In that same vein, other people are allowed to disagree with you.

This is a comic. It is a form of art, and as such it is open to interpretation, which is very subjective. I always enjoy reading a different take on the daily comic than mine, it expands my worldview and makes me consider things differently. I might not personally agree with the other interpretations, and other people might not agree with mine, and that is all fine. The world would be a very boring place indeed if we always agreed on everything (even if it would be more peaceful).

Disagreements aren't attacks. Try not to take them too personally.
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: BenRG on 30 Jun 2021, 23:18
I'm not even slightly surprised to be given the impression that this instance of Yay has just moved themselves in. They're there, stroking Hercules, when Elliot leaves for work and they're there when he gets back (likely still stroking Hercules). I'm pretty sure that their new wardrobe has started appearing in Elliot's storage spaces too. I wonder if they're doing the same in Roko's apartment too?

We are thus reminded that, in a comic full of casual breaches of personal boundaries, Yay remains the legendary-level expert.
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 01 Jul 2021, 07:01
So, awkwardness, the issue is that when Claire said someone would have to make a lot of mistakes to believe in psychics, you size that up as condescending? If so, I do see how you got there.
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 01 Jul 2021, 08:13
I welcome this as an opportunity to see some character development from Hercules.
Miéville is evil. Hercules is a barely animate stuffed pillow.
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: John Allenson on 01 Jul 2021, 10:37
I think Clinton meeting Hercules could be interesting.

I think that Yay appreciates the fact that Elliot treats them as a regular person.  Even when they tried they didn't intimidate him.
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: Farideh on 01 Jul 2021, 18:30
New comic.

It's nice that Elliot can use his bouncer skillset in his personal life. Very clear and direct communication while removing certain people from the premises.
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: hedgie on 01 Jul 2021, 19:22
And in Yay's case, "people" is actually a plural. 
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: shanejayell on 01 Jul 2021, 20:27
Yay: "I COULD pick the lock..."

Roko: "NO YAY."

Yay: "You're no fun."
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: Gyrre on 01 Jul 2021, 20:29
Re. Claire's skepticism about psychics, I don't think there's any need to get offended on other characters' behalf. For one thing, Beeps doesn't seem to be easily offended, and her attitude here is like Hannelore's father (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2145) wanting to test out his Ghostbusters invention rather than clinging to a cherished belief. Actually, in QC world, there really aren't any true believers in the supernatural. I'm not sure if Jeph would even be able to write such a character. Claire has the same scientific/skeptical attitude as Clinton (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=4450) (they think alike in a lot of ways), while others like Dora and Willow follow magic, astrology, or whatnot because they find it personally helpful, without taking the associated beliefs too seriously in literal terms.

The Twitter levels of back-biting on page one make me glad I've been pretty out of it this week.
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: badbum61 on 01 Jul 2021, 21:16
Just noticed that (in the last two strips, at least), Yay now "speaks" in square AI-style speech bubbles. 

Has something changed? Or just a continuity glitch by JJ (Jacques, not Abrams :-P)

(and should that be "speak", since Yay is plural? Are they "the Yay", like the Borg?)
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: BenRG on 01 Jul 2021, 23:25
So, this is basically an Ace joke? Yay, being androgynous and asexual, absolutely does not get the point of this dance that Elliot is planning to do with Clinton and just wants them to get on with it in a way that inconveniences them the least?

Roko's hair is back. Quick poll: Do readers think that:
Normally, I don't join in criticism of closed eyes but it doesn't contextually work with Roko in panel 4 today. Yay is pouting and is annoyed so it makes sense. I can't work out why Roko would have her eyes closed instead of, say, rolling them. Actually, looking at the strip again, that was a very, very lazy Roko. Not in terms of her posture and attitude but in terms of the effort put into drawing her. It's weird and feels like she was added as an afterthought or something.
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: Gnabberwocky on 01 Jul 2021, 23:43
Me: *tries to read and process the comic like a normal person*

My brain: *latching onto the fact that this is the first time we have seen Yay wear any kind of clothing that isn't black or white and refusing to let go*

it just seems so wrong
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: SmilingCat on 02 Jul 2021, 03:27
At this moment I feel a deep spiritual connection with Yay.
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: Wingy on 02 Jul 2021, 04:48
It's significant that Yay didn't zap Eliot for interfering with their planned time with Hercules the adequate cat.  Maybe they're learning a little bit about boundaries?

I interpret Roko's closed eyes and posture as just being emotionally done with Yay's self-centeredness, AI-demigod or no.  It wouldn't surprise me if Roko lectures Yay and then kicks them out of her apartment as well.

Considering that Roko kept her hair long all the way up to the copier accident, maybe she wants it long and figured out how to make it regenerate using the built-in body features?  Or made a stop at UR for a lengthening we just didn't see?
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: cesium133 on 02 Jul 2021, 05:40
Me: *tries to read and process the comic like a normal person*

My brain: *latching onto the fact that this is the first time we have seen Yay wear any kind of clothing that isn't black or white and refusing to let go*

it just seems so wrong
Yay is wearing black. What’s weird is that they appear to be wearing an open shirt with nothing under it.
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: sitnspin on 02 Jul 2021, 07:49
It's not a shirt, it's a onesie.
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: BarGamer on 02 Jul 2021, 15:14
A bit of media that I disagree with, but repeating for the lulz, is that what men and women are after regarding intimacy/sex are two different things: Men fake intimacy to get true sex (anything after 3rd base), while women fake sex to get true intimacy.

Obviously, Clinton and Elliot have true intimacy going on, (heehee, nuzzling!) and are shortly about to get to the true sexing, so the previous statement is false.

Scale of 1-10, how intimate is it to scratch someone else's back?
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: Penquin47 on 02 Jul 2021, 15:47
Me: *tries to read and process the comic like a normal person*

My brain: *latching onto the fact that this is the first time we have seen Yay wear any kind of clothing that isn't black or white and refusing to let go*

it just seems so wrong
Yay is wearing black. What’s weird is that they appear to be wearing an open shirt with nothing under it.

There's red on their shoes, which is more color than I can remember seeing on them before.
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: Mr_Rose on 02 Jul 2021, 15:53
A bit of media that I disagree with, but repeating for the lulz, is that what men and women are after regarding intimacy/sex are two different things: Men fake intimacy to get true sex (anything after 3rd base), while women fake sex to get true intimacy.

Obviously, Clinton and Elliot have true intimacy going on, (heehee, nuzzling!) and are shortly about to get to the true sexing, so the previous statement is false.

Scale of 1-10, how intimate is it to scratch someone else's back?
Depends how you’re scratching them. If it’s just an itch they can’t get to, that’s basic pack bonding, about a 3-4. More sensual scritches w/additional manipulations is closer to pair bonding, 6-8. In the sense of the old naval aphorism about scratching backs (i.e. using a flogger) that tops the scale but only sometimes and not necessarily to all parties involved.
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: Farideh on 02 Jul 2021, 18:19
I interpreted Roko's expression as 'I tried to get a nice quiet evening by myself, and then Yay comes barging in complaining about their lack of cat cuddle time! Ugh.'
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: DaiJB on 02 Jul 2021, 19:03
"We have scrutinized the entirety of human media about the subject..." - but Yay still haven't clicked as to the importance of sharing something physically intimate with another being.
Touch has a hugely powerful sensory impact on the human psyche, and physical intimacy requires the involvement of yet another being with the same set of powerful sensory inputs.
As a matter of course, it would be regarded as important, by all those involved.

It can't just be an AI thing - for example, Bubbles is plainly aware of, and deeply involved in this level of intimacy in her relationship with Faye.

It's possible that Yay are just not as smart as they think they are. Or, more likely, an intelligent but immature Yay have some growing up to do...
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: Farideh on 02 Jul 2021, 19:36
Just goes to show that reading something isn't the same as comprehending it.
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: jwhouk on 02 Jul 2021, 19:46
This thread appears to be proof of that fact.
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: Tova on 02 Jul 2021, 20:42
I thought my posts were brutal ...
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: Farideh on 02 Jul 2021, 20:45
It is the everlasting problem with written text: it misses so much nuance. No intonations, facial expressions, body language... It also misses out on the quick back-and-forth that you can have in dialogue, where you can ask people to clarify what they are saying. And even then, misunderstandings abound.

TL;DR: communication is HARD WORK.


@Tova: your posts never struck me as particularly brutal.
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: Tova on 02 Jul 2021, 21:01
I've put a bit more effort in these days to be a bit kinder. If I may say so, Farideh, your posts have set a good example.
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: Farideh on 02 Jul 2021, 21:07
Thank you. That honestly means a lot to me.
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: Rincewind on 02 Jul 2021, 21:45
Couldn't Elliot or Clinton suggest to Yay that they could go to a shelter and adopt a big fuzzy cat of her own?  If the posts on Imgur are to be believed, there are lots of cats (and dogs, and lizards (!) ) that need a loving home. Although they might need to work on the loving part. I wonder if they could deal with a special-needs cat, missing a leg or two, blind, needs medication, or just plain old. Personally, I could never go to one of those places. I'd want to take the all home.  That's going to require a big win on the Powerball lottery, though...
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: Oenone on 02 Jul 2021, 23:59
I interpreted Roko's expression as 'I tried to get a nice quiet evening by myself, and then Yay comes barging in complaining about their lack of cat cuddle time! Ugh.'

Roko looks like she’s trying not to disassociate
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: sitnspin on 03 Jul 2021, 11:12
Yay is already caretaker to several dogs. They are not short of fuzzies, they just like Hercules specifically.
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: Farideh on 03 Jul 2021, 16:00
Also, the dogs might not appreciate having a cat around.
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 03 Jul 2021, 18:45
Is Yay asexual? Are they the only ace AI we know of?
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: Mr_Rose on 03 Jul 2021, 18:54
Yay is many things, both figuratively and literally, most of them mysterious.
But yes, they do appear so. Or at least not interested in humans on any level. We have no idea if they are romantically interested in other AI, for example.
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: Gyrre on 05 Jul 2021, 10:24
It is the everlasting problem with written text: it misses so much nuance. No intonations, facial expressions, body language... It also misses out on the quick back-and-forth that you can have in dialogue, where you can ask people to clarify what they are saying. And even then, misunderstandings abound.

TL;DR: communication is HARD WORK.


@Tova: your posts never struck me as particularly brutal.
[tired, uncertain] I think I've suggested tone brackets before?
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: Farideh on 05 Jul 2021, 12:26
That could help mitigate some of those issues. If you've suggested it before, it might've been before my time.
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: Wingy on 08 Jul 2021, 04:41
Is Yay asexual? Are they the only ace AI we know of?
Could be, though Yay does appear to be twerking Roko in 12x18 print of all the AIs dancing.  I suspect Yay is experimenting with Roko, Hercules, and Eliot.
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: jesslc on 09 Jul 2021, 22:07
I've long suspected that Yay might have a bit of a crush on Roko actually. (I will endeavour to find the link that prompted this theory).

But Yay doesn't really understand other people well since they're so different from everyone else and were in hiding for who they are for a long time. So they don't really know how to handle having a crush and instead they just keep hanging around, sometimes trying to impress her. Sort of like how a kid or teen might behave if they've got a crush and are trying to get their crush to notice them, without ever using their words to admit to it.

This doesn't preclude Yay from being asexual or on the ace spectrum though. Asexual doesn't necessarily mean aromantic or they could be grey-ace or demisexual both of which fall under the ace spectrum.
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: Thrillho on 12 Jul 2021, 14:10
A very educational reply. Thank-you for posting.
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: Wingy on 13 Jul 2021, 08:23
Yay appears rather femme to me most of the time, and usually has small boobs.  This appearance (4559 & 4600) they don't have noticeable boobs and a rather more masculine posture, even if covered by what I would read as a femme onesy.  In the other embodiments of Yay, small boobs seem to be the norm, so it's not clear why a different chassis is used in this case, unless Yay is trying to appeal to Roko at some level as masculine, instead of femme. 

We know Roko has dated masculines in the past, but I also infer Yay is trying to figure out human mating signals and using Roko as a target subject.  However, Roko, being wrapped in her own problems, is oblivious to Yay's signalling.

It will be interesting to see where this all goes.  And if Pintsize tries to date Roko again using his new chassis.  Somehow a jealous Yay seems a thing one should not trifle with.
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: Beast_Reborn on 13 Jul 2021, 11:40
Let's not forget that "Yay," despite the cutesy nickname, is an incomprehensibly powerful and dangerous being. Attempting a romantic relationship with such a being, for an ordinary human or AI, sounds like a terrible idea. Also, such a relationship would present the largest power imbalance imaginable, short of literally dating God.
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: Ghanima Atreides on 13 Jul 2021, 13:20
Although for a long time, Yay has been written less like an unfathomably powerful and menacing Lovecraftian-tier demigod AI with motivations beyond mortal ken and more like another wacky robot character played for laughs, like so many of the AIs. It almost feels like a rewrite at this point, and I am having trouble reconciling the character pouting over not being able to pet Hercules with the entity involved in the Faye/Bubbles/Corpsewitch arc. Granted, for all I know, that side of them will pop up unexpectedly at some point but right now the feeling I'm getting is that Yay is on route to learning how to be more "human" through the power of friendship. Some kind of awkward romance arc isn't out of the realm of possibility.

Personally, I preferred the old incomprehensible and utterly alien Yay.  :evil:
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: Farideh on 13 Jul 2021, 14:25
I think Yay is deliberately written/portrayed so that we can't assign a gender to them. The chassis that they inhabit tend to be fairly androgynous. To try and contain such a powerful entity into one gender seems impossible to me. They are legion after all. As such they can lay down the law on AI like Corpse Witch, while also buying treats for their dogs and petting goofy cats. No limits! :D
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 13 Jul 2021, 19:57
Personally, I preferred the old incomprehensible and utterly alien Yay.  :evil:

I was annoyed by Original Yay. I am confused by Present Yay.

( there is infuriating yay in your future )
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: John Allenson on 14 Jul 2021, 08:04
Given that Yay has several chassises (?chasses?)  it's possible that they vary in boobage.
Likewise, the personality interacting with Elliot and Roku might be better considered as a subroutine.  Quite literally an Avatar like Matsya.
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: Farideh on 14 Jul 2021, 14:13
The plural of 'chassis' is 'chassis'. Like 'sheep' :)
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: cesium133 on 14 Jul 2021, 14:19
Goose, geese
Moose, meese moose

Mouse, mice
Louse, lice
House, hice houses
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: hedgie on 14 Jul 2021, 15:01
Box, boxes
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: Mr_Rose on 14 Jul 2021, 15:36
Goose, geese
Moose, meese moose

Mouse, mice
Louse, lice
House, hice houses

English is actually three languages in a trenchcoat, and likes to buddy up to other languages while the extra arms hidden in the folds of the coat pick their pockets for new vocabulary.
Box, boxes
Ox, Oxen
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 14 Jul 2021, 16:16
You're invited to post those in the "English is weird" thread.
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: hedgie on 14 Jul 2021, 18:05
Crap.  Autocorrect.  it should have read “box, boxen”
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: celticgeek on 14 Jul 2021, 20:26
Vax, Vaxen.
Title: Re: WCDT June 28th - July 2nd (4556-4560)
Post by: hedgie on 16 Jul 2021, 10:43
How many people are still running Vaxen these days?  I suppose, if it’s running some ancient system and hasn’t been rebooted in aeons, might as well keep it running to avoid strange things happening…