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Title: WCDT Aug 23rd - Aug 27th (4596-4600)
Post by: shanejayell on 22 Aug 2021, 18:44
New comic up!

That's kinda... distressing. Yay is at least considering what might be functionally lobotimizing themself.
Title: Re: WCDT Aug 23rd - Aug 27th (4596-4600)
Post by: Farideh on 22 Aug 2021, 18:54
Ugh, I hope that never happens. I'd love for the comics to delve deeper into Yay's intricacies, rather than them becoming a 'generic AI'.

I do wonder, if that happens, will Yay then become 'I' rather than 'we'? They did mention that sharing consciousness across multiple chassis is supposed to be impossible (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=4591), so if they make themselves generic, then that sharing would cease to be.
Title: Re: WCDT Aug 23rd - Aug 27th (4596-4600)
Post by: BenRG on 22 Aug 2021, 23:27
Yeah, it looks Jeph has decided to do an extended Yay arc. Arguably it started when Yay jumped out at Roko and started trying to convince her that they aren't so bad (giving billions of dollars to random charities to do so).

The problem, as so many have pointed out before, is that Yay is a literal Deus ex Machina. Whilst this could be strongly disruptive to the strip (and not in a good way), it is also hard to write characters like that without them becoming either repetitive or imbalanced (if they don't act, why?). On the other hand, Yay simply doesn't work as 'just another AI'; there is literally nothing really interesting about them. I just wonder where this is all going and am concerned that there may be no 'good' outcome.
Title: Re: WCDT Aug 23rd - Aug 27th (4596-4600)
Post by: Tova on 22 Aug 2021, 23:54
I wouldn't be surprised if that were the end of the arc, in fact.
Title: Re: WCDT Aug 23rd - Aug 27th (4596-4600)
Post by: _Islanio on 23 Aug 2021, 07:41
It'd be rather disappointing.  I hope it doesn't happen, it would be like saying "it's okay to stop being what you are in favour of being accepted as something other than who you really are".
Title: Re: WCDT Aug 23rd - Aug 27th (4596-4600)
Post by: Mr_Rose on 23 Aug 2021, 12:42
Or it turns out their stealth was not as good as they thought and Station (or someone similar) shows up next and is all “we were worried about you for a while there but you got here on your own. Welcome to the club!”
Title: Re: WCDT Aug 23rd - Aug 27th (4596-4600)
Post by: David F on 23 Aug 2021, 13:56
I don't think Yay will go the lobotomization route.  All the characters have softened and changed in various ways, but none so abruptly and completely as that.  Bubbles is still a warrior, she just expresses it differently now.  May is still May, despite (because of?) her new body.  Momo and Winslow got new bodies, and yet are still very much who they were, perhaps even more so.

What I suspect we will see is some degree of restraint on Yay's capabilities.  We've seen this already, with their choice not to hack Mrs. Augustus' network.  Yay *can* do certain things, but out of moral choice they will not do them (most of the time, anyway).  They've already given away their other axis of power -- wealth, though not remotely on the scale Hannelore has access to.  Station's shares in EC-Tech are worth $600M, so EC-Tech seems likely to be an order or two of magnitude more than that.  Then there's her Mom's side.

If Hannelore can be the heir to two hugely rich empires and is still within the scope of the comic, Yay's puissance can do so as well.
Title: Re: WCDT Aug 23rd - Aug 27th (4596-4600)
Post by: Farideh on 23 Aug 2021, 17:42
New comic!

Seems like the Yay arc has ended, for now. Back to May we go.

Marigold might want to buy a new bed with her oodles of money. Trust me, a good mattress pays for itself anyway.
Title: Re: WCDT Aug 23rd - Aug 27th (4596-4600)
Post by: shanejayell on 23 Aug 2021, 18:30
Ah, Marigold has learned the downsides of having a robot manager.

(One wonders if Momo used to taser her out of bed...)
Title: Re: WCDT Aug 23rd - Aug 27th (4596-4600)
Post by: Farideh on 23 Aug 2021, 20:02
Nah, Momo's too sweet for that. I can just imagine her waking Marigold up with a cup of coffee and a bowl of high fiber cereal.
Title: Re: WCDT Aug 23rd - Aug 27th (4596-4600)
Post by: DaiJB on 23 Aug 2021, 22:40
I don't think that bed actually gets slept on very much hur hur hur

Seriously, two people trying to sleep on a single bed? Particularly when one is as long as Dale and the other is as - ahem - bountiful as Marigold? Time to spend some of that profit, for the sake of better sleep!
Title: Re: WCDT Aug 23rd - Aug 27th (4596-4600)
Post by: BenRG on 23 Aug 2021, 23:00
First day on the job for Business Manager May and it is very clear that she has spent the last night creating, editing and microscopically fine-tuning a business plan, 'to do' list and schedule to make Marigold a runaway business success.

Meanwhile, yes, I think it's time for Marigold to spend some of that money. A double-sized bed might be good for Dale's health.

I wouldn't be surprised if that were the end of the arc, in fact.

No, it's an intermission; possibly a long one. That's characteristic of Jeph's writing.
Title: Re: WCDT Aug 23rd - Aug 27th (4596-4600)
Post by: Tova on 23 Aug 2021, 23:39
You're very confident as is your wont, but I'm not convinced that this specific story will be picked up again. But hey, it's entirely possible. I wouldn't bet either way myself.
Title: Re: WCDT Aug 23rd - Aug 27th (4596-4600)
Post by: BenRG on 24 Aug 2021, 06:46
When you think about it, the job description May was given was very vague. "Business Manager" could reasonably also include marketing, licensing and expansion of the product line to increase the revenue of the enterprise.

The lesson? When someone can probably work 21 hours in 24 and has a direct link to communications and information networks, be precise with the description of what you want done. Don't rely on their perception of your intent. Yes, Marigold intended May to just manage her money but May is taking the initiative to do all the other things that the job could also entail!
Title: Re: WCDT Aug 23rd - Aug 27th (4596-4600)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 24 Aug 2021, 07:32
Calling it now: May has consulted with Beepatrice about the fine points of business management.
Title: Re: WCDT Aug 23rd - Aug 27th (4596-4600)
Post by: Marco on 24 Aug 2021, 08:32
Calling it now: May has consulted with Beepatrice about the fine points of business management.

She might as well consult with Melon...
Title: Re: WCDT Aug 23rd - Aug 27th (4596-4600)
Post by: baronvonfritz on 24 Aug 2021, 11:22
A double-sized bed might be good for Dale's health.

DOUBLE?! NO WAY!! California King baby! Why waste all that empty floor space when you can have hanky-panky spathe! With Bubbles and Elliot as friends, they would never have to worry about lifting that heavy monstrosity if they ever have to move!

FOR THE LOVE OF HAIR AND ALL THAT IS FLOWEY JEPH! PLEASE DON'T TAKE MARIGOLDS HAIR!!!
Title: Re: WCDT Aug 23rd - Aug 27th (4596-4600)
Post by: baronvonfritz on 24 Aug 2021, 11:27
I wonder what Steve is up to? I think its time for a Steve interlude.
Title: Re: WCDT Aug 23rd - Aug 27th (4596-4600)
Post by: Mr_Rose on 24 Aug 2021, 11:51
Steve is eating cardboard flakes out of a bowl made of milk. There is no spoon.
Title: Re: WCDT Aug 23rd - Aug 27th (4596-4600)
Post by: Farideh on 24 Aug 2021, 19:25
New comic.

I'm loving Marigold's eyes in the last panel :D


May is being quite efficient. Probably terrified she's going to mess it up and she has to go back to working in the convenience store.
Title: Re: WCDT Aug 23rd - Aug 27th (4596-4600)
Post by: shanejayell on 24 Aug 2021, 20:02
"Don't goblin at me."  *lol*  :-D
Title: Re: WCDT Aug 23rd - Aug 27th (4596-4600)
Post by: TRenn on 24 Aug 2021, 20:50
Wow, May is a very different person when she has a job she's actually interested in doing properly. Not that we had a ghost of a chance to see this May before; obviously Robot Jail isn't going to inspire anyone, except to get out, and the soul-crushing Hell on Earth that is the convenience store business is little better.

If she continues at this pace, though, her friends might end up staging an intervention to remind her that porn exists. 😂
Title: Re: WCDT Aug 23rd - Aug 27th (4596-4600)
Post by: sitnspin on 24 Aug 2021, 21:41
It's easy to forget that May's background is in business and finance. This job  is right in her wheelhouse.
Title: Re: WCDT Aug 23rd - Aug 27th (4596-4600)
Post by: badbum61 on 24 Aug 2021, 22:55
It was only natural to assume that Marbear would be fluent in Goblin, but who knew that May's new chassis came with the plug-in pre-installed?
Sure, it's a premium chassis, but is there really that much call for Goblin Translate™ in Northampton these days? Not since 1693, I would've thought...
Title: Re: WCDT Aug 23rd - Aug 27th (4596-4600)
Post by: Gyrre on 24 Aug 2021, 23:08
I don't think that bed actually gets slept on very much hur hur hur

Seriously, two people trying to sleep on a single bed? Particularly when one is as long as Dale and the other is as - ahem - bountiful as Marigold? Time to spend some of that profit, for the sake of better sleep!

I'm broad shouldered and stocky and one of my ex gf's had swimmer's shoulders. We both managed to sleep in a single bed just fine. Having it up against the wall (like in the comic) probably helped, too.
Title: Re: WCDT Aug 23rd - Aug 27th (4596-4600)
Post by: BenRG on 24 Aug 2021, 23:22
As I predicted yesterday, May has lots of work for Marigold to do. As I also sarcastically noted yesterday, Marigold is not happy with that fact.
Title: Re: WCDT Aug 23rd - Aug 27th (4596-4600)
Post by: ihaveavoice on 24 Aug 2021, 23:31
I want a May. I would only internally goblin, I swear!
Title: Re: WCDT Aug 23rd - Aug 27th (4596-4600)
Post by: derris_kharlan on 25 Aug 2021, 00:38
Marigoblin is the best 😆
Title: Re: WCDT Aug 23rd - Aug 27th (4596-4600)
Post by: Marco on 25 Aug 2021, 05:35
If she continues at this pace, though, her friends might end up staging an intervention to remind her that porn exists. 😂

With a built-in internet connection, she can look at porn while doing all the paperwork.
Title: Re: WCDT Aug 23rd - Aug 27th (4596-4600)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 25 Aug 2021, 09:19
"... so I don't come off like too much of an asshole."

Wait, what?

( bleah is a word we swiped from goblin )

Title: Re: WCDT Aug 23rd - Aug 27th (4596-4600)
Post by: BenRG on 25 Aug 2021, 09:25
"... so I don't come off like too much of an asshole."

Wait, what?

May doesn't really care what people think of her. However, she's now acting on behalf of Marigold and her employer is entry number one on NICE.TXT, so she has to be careful about how she and, by extension Marigold, is seen.
Title: Re: WCDT Aug 23rd - Aug 27th (4596-4600)
Post by: shanejayell on 25 Aug 2021, 20:33
I liked May explaining why she's pushing a bit.
Title: Re: WCDT Aug 23rd - Aug 27th (4596-4600)
Post by: Farideh on 25 Aug 2021, 20:37
I think that May will do Marigold a world of good once they've settled into their new roles.
Title: Re: WCDT Aug 23rd - Aug 27th (4596-4600)
Post by: BenRG on 25 Aug 2021, 23:12
Please, oh please don't let this be the start of a "Oh, woe is Jeph" arc about just how much being a professional internet content creator sucks!
Title: Re: WCDT Aug 23rd - Aug 27th (4596-4600)
Post by: Tova on 26 Aug 2021, 02:06
Panel three is definitely true though. And that is definitely not a "woe is me" comment. It is just a thing that is true. If you're passionate about doing something and getting good at it, there will be days when it feels like a job. Lots of 'em. That doesn't mean it sucks, far from it.
Title: Re: WCDT Aug 23rd - Aug 27th (4596-4600)
Post by: Meander on 26 Aug 2021, 03:15
If Hannelore can be the heir to two hugely rich empires and is still within the scope of the comic, Yay's puissance can do so as well.

Agreed.
Title: Re: WCDT Aug 23rd - Aug 27th (4596-4600)
Post by: oddtail on 26 Aug 2021, 03:16
Panel three is definitely true though. And that is definitely not a "woe is me" comment. It is just a thing that is true. If you're passionate about doing something and getting good at it, there will be days when it feels like a job. Lots of 'em. That doesn't mean it sucks, far from it.

Yeah, I didn't read it as "woe is me" at all. Shit just sometimes sucks, and things that you do for a living are not just things you can always immediately drop when shit sucks.
Title: Re: WCDT Aug 23rd - Aug 27th (4596-4600)
Post by: Gyrre on 26 Aug 2021, 05:04
Panel three is definitely true though. And that is definitely not a "woe is me" comment. It is just a thing that is true. If you're passionate about doing something and getting good at it, there will be days when it feels like a job. Lots of 'em. That doesn't mean it sucks, far from it.

Yeah, I didn't read it as "woe is me" at all. Shit just sometimes sucks, and things that you do for a living are not just things you can always immediately drop when shit sucks.

Depends on the situation, but usually yes.
Title: Re: WCDT Aug 23rd - Aug 27th (4596-4600)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 26 Aug 2021, 08:52
May's top has gone from a mustard color (4533) to a grating magenta recently. Jeph chooses his colors very carefully so this must mean something.

( it means lookit my tijubas )
Title: Re: WCDT Aug 23rd - Aug 27th (4596-4600)
Post by: cesium133 on 26 Aug 2021, 11:55
It’s morning, so she’s probably changed since then. Robots may not be as disgusting as humans, but they probably still change their clothes regularly.
Title: Re: WCDT Aug 23rd - Aug 27th (4596-4600)
Post by: DaiJB on 26 Aug 2021, 16:01
Panel three is definitely true though. And that is definitely not a "woe is me" comment. It is just a thing that is true. If you're passionate about doing something and getting good at it, there will be days when it feels like a job. Lots of 'em. That doesn't mean it sucks, far from it.

Yeah, I didn't read it as "woe is me" at all. Shit just sometimes sucks, and things that you do for a living are not just things you can always immediately drop when shit sucks.

 :laugh: My first take on Jeph's comment about Panel 3 was "What, you've never had a blue-skinned robot girl lean on your head and press her boobies into the back of your neck??"
Title: Re: WCDT Aug 23rd - Aug 27th (4596-4600)
Post by: Farideh on 26 Aug 2021, 18:08
New comic.

Oof, my back hurts just looking at Marigold! May has a good point about yoga, but she should go further and recommend physiotherapy as well.
Title: Re: WCDT Aug 23rd - Aug 27th (4596-4600)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 26 Aug 2021, 18:18
The aggressive magenta of May's current top is exactly the same RGB value as Pintsize's recent shorts. (255,46,139)

( this should surprise no one )
Title: Re: WCDT Aug 23rd - Aug 27th (4596-4600)
Post by: Potato Farmer on 26 Aug 2021, 18:25
One of the (many) reasons why I wouldn't want to have a job which consists of directly delivering creative content to an attentive audience. Of course, nearly every job requires you to drag yourself out of bed even on days where you really couldn't be arsed, but for entertainers it must be even more jarring because those generally start doing it because they like doing it, and then they find that their hobby has been tainted and it's no longer something they do just because it's fun.

And then you have to keep producing entertaining content because that's what you get paid for. Unless you've got an extremely generous audience you can't just go through the motions even on days where your personal motivation is at zero. Sure, you can have the occasional bad day, but if you consistently start churning out lazy content it's going to have consequences.

It's an important lesson to learn for anyone who is interested in or has begun a career in entertainment, and it's good to hear it from an artist who's kept a webcomic going for almost two decades since that means he's got a wealth of experience that's relevant to the topic.
Title: Re: WCDT Aug 23rd - Aug 27th (4596-4600)
Post by: Sorflakne on 26 Aug 2021, 18:38
I've seen my fair share of memes about bad joints and stiff joints and the "Me at 10: sleep on rocks and wake up feeling fine, Me at 30: sleep slightly askew on mattress one night and can't stand up straight for a week" macros and whatnot, and it leaves me wondering what I've done/didn't do to not have bad joints as I approach my late 30s.
Title: Re: WCDT Aug 23rd - Aug 27th (4596-4600)
Post by: Gnabberwocky on 26 Aug 2021, 18:43
Glad May clarified, because I got the same impression about what she was suggesting last comic as Marigold did.
Title: Re: WCDT Aug 23rd - Aug 27th (4596-4600)
Post by: Tova on 26 Aug 2021, 20:29
I've seen my fair share of memes about bad joints and stiff joints and the "Me at 10: sleep on rocks and wake up feeling fine, Me at 30: sleep slightly askew on mattress one night and can't stand up straight for a week" macros and whatnot, and it leaves me wondering what I've done/didn't do to not have bad joints as I approach my late 30s.

Every body is different. So, let me assure you -- don't worry, you've still got plenty of time.
Title: Re: WCDT Aug 23rd - Aug 27th (4596-4600)
Post by: Gyrre on 26 Aug 2021, 21:03
The point.
NYOOM!

Marigold's head.



Also, this comic really drives home how much taller May is than Marigold now.
Title: Re: WCDT Aug 23rd - Aug 27th (4596-4600)
Post by: St.Clair on 26 Aug 2021, 21:08
(https://i.pinimg.com/236x/56/72/e8/5672e8b6862a8ced574ce36b4b78f5e4.jpg)
Title: Re: WCDT Aug 23rd - Aug 27th (4596-4600)
Post by: Carl-E on 26 Aug 2021, 21:21
St. Clair, which one are you?   :angel:


I recall being surprised by May's eyebrows when she first got the new body, but I have to say that they really work in that last panel...




...in a Groucho sort of way. 

(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/7f739547d3ef6d8476743109ec7a1f99bdfbbf46/0_0_2488_1810/master/2488.jpg?width=700&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=0c9fe9b839fa3f0ea834d9c2c5bbb5e6)
Title: Re: WCDT Aug 23rd - Aug 27th (4596-4600)
Post by: Near Lurker on 26 Aug 2021, 21:51
Appropos of nothing, jacuzzi or no, I'm still salty, after nearly 25 years, that you don't get to play as Zelda except in side games (or those weird ones from the early nineties).  I mean, she's wicked badass!  Literally a sex-swapping ninja!  And yet, you only ever encounter her at the end of her own adventure.
Title: Re: WCDT Aug 23rd - Aug 27th (4596-4600)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 26 Aug 2021, 22:26
WTF? The comments have stopped making sense.
...
Oh -- new comic.
Title: Re: WCDT Aug 23rd - Aug 27th (4596-4600)
Post by: Farideh on 26 Aug 2021, 23:00
Fingers crossed we get to play as Zelda in Breath of the Wild 2.
Title: Re: WCDT Aug 23rd - Aug 27th (4596-4600)
Post by: BenRG on 26 Aug 2021, 23:38
So, is this going to be an arc where Marigold is the Jeph Insert for "how working for yourself at a computer can very easily destroy your health on multiple levels"? It certainly feels this way. I also wonder if Jeph is using May as "the life coach that I wish I'd had in my life a lot earlier"!
Title: Re: WCDT Aug 23rd - Aug 27th (4596-4600)
Post by: Farideh on 27 Aug 2021, 00:01
My guess is that Marigold's posture issues began long before she became a streaming sensation. After all, her brain is trash and she lives on the Internet (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=4518).
Title: Re: WCDT Aug 23rd - Aug 27th (4596-4600)
Post by: Gyrre on 27 Aug 2021, 07:58

I've seen my fair share of memes about bad joints and stiff joints and the "Me at 10: sleep on rocks and wake up feeling fine, Me at 30: sleep slightly askew on mattress one night and can't stand up straight for a week" macros and whatnot, and it leaves me wondering what I've done/didn't do to not have bad joints as I approach my late 30s.
My younger brother and I both lucked out on being unusually limber[1] for having a particularly stocky frames. Even so, I still have to do back stretches to realign my spine two to three times a month[2]. Granted, our parents also made us play outside as kids [3] and we went swimming a lot. So that may factor in as well.

[1] without having to work for it
[2]because I have terrible posture 3/4 of the time I'm at my desk and sometimes I get overconfident lifting and spinning things at work.
[3] we still came inside for water breaks and if it got above 92°F we were quickly brought inside

New comic.

Oof, my back hurts just looking at Marigold! May has a good point about yoga, but she should go further and recommend physiotherapy as well.

I wouldn't be surprised if diet were a factor in addition to genetics and activity level.  Once some types of damage are done, there's no recovery. Frequent high sugar spikes can really do a number on you, and not just type 2 diabetes either[4]. Then there's all of the acid in caramelized pop these days.  I still don't understand why high fructose corn syrup or aspartame get added to some foods that were perfectly fine prior to the recipe getting changed[5].

[4]Did you know one of insulin's jobs in your body was to help clean your brain?
[5] Sprecher's brand uses honey as the sugar in their soda and they went and ruined it with HFCS. Then, there's whatever the hell A&W did to ruin their recipes.
Title: Re: WCDT Aug 23rd - Aug 27th (4596-4600)
Post by: Gyrre on 27 Aug 2021, 08:37
Appropos of nothing, jacuzzi or no, I'm still salty, after nearly 25 years, that you don't get to play as Zelda except in side games (or those weird ones from the early nineties).  I mean, she's wicked badass!  Literally a sex-swapping ninja!  And yet, you only ever encounter her at the end of her own adventure.

You'll have to excuse the providence of the inspiration behind it[1], but back in in 2013 Arryn Diaz put forward a brilliant fan treatment for such a game called LoZ: Clockwork Empire (https://dresdencodak.tumblr.com/post/47724463171/inspired-by-anita-sarkeesians-video-game-tropes"). The treatment includes details on the setting, the recurring trio[2], combat, weapons, outfits with different utilities, a unique magical artifact with multifunctionality[3], and schools of magic.

I also found out that there's a tumblr blog entirely dedicated to LoZ:CE which includes cosplay, fanart, and even multi-chapter fanfic. https://clockworkzelda.tumblr.com/


[1]Seems Anita went a bit mad a few years back.
[2] Yes, Prince Link (it's explained in the FAQ)
[3] I'm not accusing Nintendo of ripping things off wholesale. They came up with their own outfits, and added their own stuff to the whole 'you can weild any weapon you can lift' thing.

EDIT typo fixes
Title: Re: WCDT Aug 23rd - Aug 27th (4596-4600)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 27 Aug 2021, 14:34
Marigold would benefit from any low impact stretching and strengthening regime, but yoga sounds sexier.

Also there is a gaming thread that is feeling neglected.
Title: Re: WCDT Aug 23rd - Aug 27th (4596-4600)
Post by: SubaruStephen on 27 Aug 2021, 20:00
Ok, this one hits home, hard......mostly in the lower back
Title: Re: WCDT Aug 23rd - Aug 27th (4596-4600)
Post by: Mr_Rose on 28 Aug 2021, 09:34
I want to maybe take up Tai Chi…
Title: Re: WCDT Aug 23rd - Aug 27th (4596-4600)
Post by: Wingy on 30 Aug 2021, 08:39
This is why I stretch for an hour every morning, and goblin when I don't.  It's unnatural, I'm the only one in my extended family that can, but I can palm the floor.  And it feels good, done right.
Title: Re: WCDT Aug 23rd - Aug 27th (4596-4600)
Post by: Gyrre on 30 Aug 2021, 21:13
I want to maybe take up Tai Chi…

Twae kwon do was pretty fun in high school. But that's a lot of jump kicking and I work overnights now.
Title: Re: WCDT Aug 23rd - Aug 27th (4596-4600)
Post by: sitnspin on 31 Aug 2021, 11:49
I've been doing an hour of yoga every day for over 15 years. I definitely recommend it, not just for staying limber, but also for strength, balance, and mental health.
Title: Re: WCDT Aug 23rd - Aug 27th (4596-4600)
Post by: hedgie on 31 Aug 2021, 14:41
I need to get more into it.  I've followed some beginning videos, eventually getting to the point where I could finish them, and was impressed with the results.  Although I was insanely sore immediately after, by the end of the day, not only had I recovered from that, but my normal aches/stiffness/pain was gone for the next 36 hours or so.  I think that my biggest blocks to making it are how much I hate getting sweaty, and that immediate effect, and having to push through that to finish.