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Hands up anyone here who voluntarily listens to classical music on a regular basis. As in, from their CD player.
I do. In fact, probably more than half my listening, nowadas, is classical music. I'm a huge fan of contemporary composers such as Glass, Reich, Karl Jenkins, and Don Davis. I also love some of the older "hall of fame" types - I list Bach's Toccata and Fugue in D minor as one of my all time favourite works, alongside Karl Jenkins' "The Armed Man", the theme from "Schindler's list" and Mozart's Requiem.
The more technical and experimental a piece, the happier I am with it, really. I can't stand dances like waltzes, and I don't like it when composers stick too literally to the constraints of a work. I like the Bela Bartoks and Igor Stravinskys of the world.
what about you guys? do you listen to classical music at all? who do you like?
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I said this in the PIANOS ARE AWESOME topic... But I love to listen to Chopin... I got a 3 cd thing. Its AWESOME... I have other stuff I listen to aswell but thats the main one...
And I suppose I listen to classical music when I play it on the Pinano, So yeah, Classical music is the shit.... Or something.
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I like a bit of classical now and then. Something grand and sweepy or dark and organy or folksy and dancy. Mussorgsky. Borodin. Orff. Bach. Wagner.
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Mussorgsky is the shit. Seriously, that guy personifies cool.
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I hope this doesn't come across as a back-handed compliment, but . . . First thing Sunday morning, sun streaming in through the house, when I'm in the kitchen doing the washing up and general tidying - NOTHING suits the situation quite like a Beethove symphony, preferably the 6th or the 7th.
And there's something about a lazy weekend morning reading the newspapers, listening to a bit of opera or Bach's B-minor Mass or some such . . .
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Damnit, you made me go put on my CD of Pictures at an Exhibition/Night on the Bare Mountain.
Hmmmm ^_^
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though if you want to get technical Bach is baroque, Chopin is romantic,
and Wagner is late romantic opera. I'm sorry "Art Drama"
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classical music is more or less my life. i've been playing violin/viola for the past 11 years, and it's been amazing.
- 2005 - my university symphony played mozart's requiem this march, which was fabulous. the choir was a little skimpy, but still sounded nice.
- 2004 - my high school orchestra became one of the first amateur ensembles to play the schubert's symphony no. 8 in it's entirety. dunno why that's a huge honor, it's only 2 movements...but that was pretty exciting.
-july of 2003 spent touring europe with a national student-musician company.
i'm a big fan of the bach cello suites, especially since they're transcribed for viola. i prefer listening to the originals, rather than playing the transcriptions. i also really love the two organ fugues in g minor (the "little" and the "great" fugues). i just love organ music.
and mendelssohn. anything mendelssohn.
*ecstasy!*
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Oh, and for anyone who hasn't checked out the piano thread - when it comes to music for solo piano, Liszt is my man.
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I already said this in the Piano THread, but Edgar Varese is the epitome of awesome.
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Ennio Moricone
My music group from college went to his 75th birthday concert in the Royal Albert Hall last year, and it was fantastic. the Rome Philharmonic, conducted by the man himsel. they did a huge repertoir of his work. I think the best one was "The Ecstacy of Gold". fantastic stuff.
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i am a classical baby turned jazz piano performance student. born and raised on classical. i suppose i don't come into the music forum here often enough because i am mostly scared it's going to be stuff i haven't heard of... 90% of my CD collection is classical and/or jazz.
bach is the man. i mean there is not a whole hell of a lot of classical music i DON'T like, except maybe for some mozart and haydn keyboard stuff, but i love it all. actually all of it. but when it comes down to it, there is absolutely nothing that can beat bach. nothing at all. it is perfect in every sense of the word, and it makes your day better when it has been going crappily. oh, bach :)
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Antonin Dvorák. Namely his Symphony No. 8, and Symphony No.9 (The New World) Two of favourite pieces of music.
Every summer I venture out to Tanglewood to see the Boston Symphony Orchestra, I try to get to SPAC to see the Philadelpha Orchestra, and I see the Vermont Symphony Orchestra every few years on/around July 4. As much as I like classical music on my iPod, nothing beats it live.
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I like Arvo Part. Only classical CD I have is Tabula Rasa. I did just pick up an LP set called 'Early 20th centruy composers' at the thrift store but have yet to listen to it.
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Johann Pachebel's Canon in D.
That was my theme song through highschool and really the song that got me into music to begin with. Way back when I was the only six year old on the planet to enjoy classical music.
I also like almost all things Bach, and long walks on the beach. And yes ladies, he's single!
(Roomate smacks me upside the head)
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Classical > all other musical genres.
Bach, Chopin, Grieg, Wagner, Orff, Mahler, Mussorgsky, Berlioz, Bruckner, Dvorak, Beethoven.
All are great!
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Chopin of course and Schubert come to mind
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is there some sort of indie/hipster subset of classical music? like... "bach is so played out. i've got this super-rare vinyl of underground hungarian composer Istvan Benedek's only published work."? that sort of thing.
i listen to a classical station sometimes when i'm working or reading, but i don't know enough about anything classical to have favourite composers or anything. opera irritates me though. really grandiose, melodramatic, and, well, irritating.
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Even our Black Metal loving man shows how you gotta love Classical. And of course, all good Metal Heads love Classical really.
I dont have nearly enough of it, but what I have always get broken out at the right moments.
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opera irritates me though. really grandiose, melodramatic, and, well, irritating.
You've obviously never listened to "The Marriage of Figaro". Mozart's comic operas are great. What you're thinking of is that Wagnerian shit, like the Ring cycle.
hey, I've had this great idea: combine the best of classical and heavy metal into one glorious whole:
THE ROCKQUIEM!!!
part requiem, part heavy metal, all cool.
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Ennio Moricone
My music group from college went to his 75th birthday concert in the Royal Albert Hall last year, and it was fantastic. the Rome Philharmonic, conducted by the man himsel. they did a huge repertoir of his work. I think the best one was "The Ecstacy of Gold". fantastic stuff.
I'm envious. Morricone scored about 99% of my favorite movies, so I'm a big fan.
"When I hear Wagner, it makes me want to invade Poland." - Woody Allen
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hey, I've had this great idea: combine the best of classical and heavy metal into one glorious whole:
THE ROCKQUIEM!!!
part requiem, part heavy metal, all cool.
Therion (http://www.megatherion.com/)
If you have p2p software, some tracks to check would be 'Nifelheim', 'Wine of Aluqah', 'To Mega Therion' or 'Three Ships of Berik, pt. 1: Calling to Arms and Fighting the Battle'. Also, if you want a unique take on Abba, their cover of 'Summernight City' kicks muchos butt.
And that's only the most well known and accessible classical/metal fusion. Remember that the european brand of extreme metal has heavy classical influences.
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Bartok, Bach, Chopin, Beethoven.
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cant give you any names of composers, cus i´m a classical n00b, but I listen to classical from time to time. I don´t like listening to radio much, so mine is tuned only to classical radio...
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I couldn't name composers if my life depended on it. Only thing I do know is that I love the neo-classical albums of Max Richter. His albums are incredible.
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Thou Shalt Suffer made a great Neo-Classical album, further proof that Ihsahn is a god.
Neo-Classical, because Metalheads love Classical really and you're gonna have to live with it. And they wonder why no one seems to like classical anymore. Because they're all busy in pits.
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hey, I've had this great idea: combine the best of classical and heavy metal into one glorious whole:
THE ROCKQUIEM!!!
part requiem, part heavy metal, all cool.
Here you go. (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00002Z88D/qid=1114274055/sr=8-2/ref=pd_csp_2/102-7288127-7153721?v=glance&s=music&n=507846) ;)
I always get kinda sketchy when modern composers like Reich, Glass or Pärt are called "classical." I mean, yeah, they have works composed for orchestras or choirs, but it's completely different music than Classical (which itself should be differentiated from Baroque or Romantic, etc.). Lumping everything written for orchestras and/or choirs as "classical" is like lumping Hank Williams, the Beatles, Megadeth, and the Pixies as "blues" because they all write for guitars, bass, drums, and vocals. It's a societal shorthand that irks me.
That rant being said, I generally like Dvorák and Wagner, as well as choral works by Handel. Modern composers like Glass and Reich are pretty nifty, too.
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Yeah, S&M is a bit different to what I have in mind - S&M was basically a Metallica concert with an orchestra in the background. I want to do an orchestral/choral piece that just happens to include electric guitars and a drum kit as part of the ensemble.
I also already own a copy of S&M.
I always get kinda sketchy when modern composers like Reich, Glass or Pärt are called "classical." I mean, yeah, they have works composed for orchestras or choirs, but it's completely different music than Classical (which itself should be differentiated from Baroque or Romantic, etc.). Lumping everything written for orchestras and/or choirs as "classical" is like lumping Hank Williams, the Beatles, Megadeth, and the Pixies as "blues" because they all write for guitars, bass, drums, and vocals. It's a societal shorthand that irks me.
conversely, it irks me that so much of contemporary music is segregated according to a perceived genre. It's like saying that people can't write whatever the hell they like, and take the credit for coming up with their own unique music, no, they're lumped in with a load of other people who may have a very different style to themselves. Compare Reel Big Fish to Less Than Jake, Rancid to NOFX, Eminem to Jay-Z -they all belong to the same "genres", but they're all very different to each other.
is it fair to lump music together under various headings? hell no. Even when it's similar, its different, and people should get over the idea of labelling everything into various categories and just learn to think in terms of who wrote it, rather than "Oh! I like Ska, therefore, I'll like both of these bands equally!"
That's not how it works at all. It's all music. people should at least try to learn to like what they like and not constrain themselves to the limits of "genre". if they find that they genuinely only do like death metal, then that's cool, but refusing to move outside the limits of what you know just makes no kind of sense at all to me.
anyway... end of rant.
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Well, I know this discussion comes round about once every month on here, but anyway.
is it fair to lump music together under various headings?
Yes. It's not fair to presume that if you like Ska band A, you will like Ska band B, but if both bands have music that shares similar charactaristics in rhythm, tempo, instrumentation it is fair to say both bands have music that shares those characteristics. Just like impressionist painting, or gothic architechture, or anything. When things share characteristics it is entirely fair to say they share characteristics.
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conversely, it irks me that so much of contemporary music is segregated according to a perceived genre. It's like saying that people can't write whatever the hell they like, and take the credit for coming up with their own unique music, no, they're lumped in with a load of other people who may have a very different style to themselves. Compare Reel Big Fish to Less Than Jake, Rancid to NOFX, Eminem to Jay-Z -they all belong to the same "genres", but they're all very different to each other.
In this case, the difference isn't a genre classification as much as cultural and chronological:
Medieval: < 1400
Renaissance: 1400-1600
Baroque: 1600-1760
Classical: 1760-1820
Romantic: 1820-1910
Modern: 1910-1975
Contemporary: ~1975-present
There is a definite Classical Period as defined by artistic and societal ideas, not just an arbitrary genre distinction. Mozart and Beethoven are Classical in the strict sense; but Bach is Baroque; and Brahms, Wagner and Tchaikovsky are Romantic.
It annoys me a tad that is there is a specific meaning to "Classical" as referring to a historical period--there's Classical art and Classical literature and Classical manners of thinking--but the meaning is lost to a more general feeling that anything that isn't in a modern form is "classic" (note the lowercase).
I know that "classical" is more generally used than Classical and I accept that, but it's worth noting the difference, I think.
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Beethoven's Romantic, yo
At least, I would say he was
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Beethoven is Classical. He followed and developed Classical form. There really isn't any debate to be had about it. Look at the structure of his works, the use of triads and key. He also studied under Hayden (Classical composer) in Paris and died when the Romantic movement was just starting. However, he was very expressive and made unique use of dynamics for a composer in that time period. Hehe, I have a music history exam on Tuesday.
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Pirates of the Caribbean soundtrack = Orgasm.
I also love me some good old-fashioned Beethoven, Mozart, Chopin, etc as well. My dad has a huge classical music collection that I occasionally borrow from :)
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Beethoven is considered the bridge between classical and romanticism. This is because in whar is known as "Beethoven's third period" he began to experiment with some stuff, and the romantics took that ball and ran with it.
I mean, it's a pet peeve of mine when people classify all these guys mentioned in here as classical artists when they aren't. But I'm going to let it go from this point on.
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Beethoven is Classical. He followed and developed Classical form. There really isn't any debate to be had about it.
Oh there really is.
Beethoven is considered the bridge between classical and romanticism. This is because in whar is known as "Beethoven's third period" he began to experiment with some stuff, and the romantics took that ball and ran with it.
Yep, I agree with that, I like to refer to him as the first Romantic composer in that regard, and I know a few people who agree. True, his earlier stuff was Classical, but if we talk about The Beatles, do we say they revolutionised pop music, or played crappy rock 'n' roll covers?
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Well it's easier to do a so called "classical" thread than have one for each...
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I wouldn't say he was the first romantic, perse, so much as being the driving force in developing what they did. See, there really is a debate as to what Beethoven can be considered, but I lean towards classical, with the developments of the romantic ideal. See, Beethoven lacked one thing the romantics had, and that was programatic music.
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I really like The Planets by Holst. It is an amazing piece that varies so much in its feel. Erm, i'm not really a fan of Mozart, his music is very trite, but he wrote mostly training pieces, so that's to be expected. I also enjoy it when people play with the concepts of music, like what's dissonant. I, however hat people that don't play with them, but just shit their music up with it.
And thusly I end my rant.
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Erm, i'm not really a fan of Mozart, his music is very trite, but he wrote mostly training pieces, so that's to be expected.
HOMIE SAY WHAT?!!??!
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Is that why Don Giovanni is considered one of the greatest operas ever? Because Mozart wrote training pieces?
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In this case, the difference isn't a genre classification as much as cultural and chronological:
Medieval: < 1400
Renaissance: 1400-1600
Baroque: 1600-1760
Classical: 1760-1820
Romantic: 1820-1910
Modern: 1910-1975
Contemporary: ~1975-present
You're telling it to somebody who'se been studying music for the last twelve years, and is familiar with (and appreciative of) music from all of those eras.
I am well aware of the difference between "classical" music, and music from the "Classical" era.
on the other hand, a lot of people, when presented with any piece of music not composed or written during the 20th century will tend to assume that it's Mozart anyway.
My point, I guess, is that the people who lump it all together like that tend to know sweet fuck all about the music anyway, and the people who do actually know what they're talking about will tend to to list specific composers, and be able to talk about them as the valid and unique artists that they are.
Beethoven is Classical. He followed and developed Classical form. There really isn't any debate to be had about it. Look at the structure of his works, the use of triads and key. He also studied under Hayden (Classical composer) in Paris and died when the Romantic movement was just starting. However, he was very expressive and made unique use of dynamics for a composer in that time period. Hehe, I have a music history exam on Tuesday.
Actually, the more popular opinion is that Beethoven was a "changeover" artist - the last of one type, and the first of another. He certainly grew up with Classical music, and was trained to it, but his later music in particular is far too rich and powerful, and is really more in line with Romantic sensibilites (though I doubt he would have classified himself as a romantic composer). Classical tends to be quite genteel and polite, in my experience. Beethoven's a bit too melodramatic and raging for that.
Pirates of the Caribbean soundtrack = Orgasm.
Pirates of the Caribbean soundtrack = Music composed by one of Hans Zimmer's students, in a way that sounds as much like Hans Zimmer as possible.
But yeah, it's pretty good. I prefer Don Davis' "Matrix" soundtracks, though. much more interesting, I think.
I also enjoy it when people play with the concepts of music, like what's dissonant. I, however hat people that don't play with them, but just shit their music up with it.
You'd probably like Don Davis, then, and probably Howard Shore. Interesting dissonance, used properly, is great. On the other hand, I want to hit people like that Cage bloke with a stick upon which is engraved the notes of "Greensleeves".
Erm, i'm not really a fan of Mozart, his music is very trite, but he wrote mostly training pieces, so that's to be expected
to be fair, Mozart's music really isn't as technically demanding as the average training piece.
understand - I can appreciate Mozart's stuff, but he's a long way from being my favourite. he doesn't even make it into my top ten, actually. Like I said, too genteel and constrained for my tastes, and M was pretty much the wackiest character around in the 1780's. The guy was a party animal.
Still, at least he's better than bloody Bizet...
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Ptcsh. I'll admit to not knowing any of the stuff you smartypants are talking about. I'm one of the lowly simpletons who figures classical is classical.. but all of what you guys are talking about sounds really interesting. I'll have to keep this topic in mind next time I go to the library...
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I developed a taste for classical music by starting with the movies Fantasia and Allegro Non Troppo and working from there. The BBC's My Music quiz helped out too.
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My point, I guess, is that the people who lump it all together like that tend to know sweet fuck all about the music anyway, and the people who do actually know what they're talking about will tend to to list specific composers, and be able to talk about them as the valid and unique artists that they are.
Ah, point taken. I willingly conceed. :)
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the theme from "Schindler's list"
John Williams is a genius
i mean, indiana jones, star wars, superman, AND schindlers list
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Rachmaninov > *
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Hell yeah, Rachmaninov can kick some serious asterisk butt.
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Vivaldi and nuthin' but.
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Chopin mostly...Sonata Pathetique by Beethoven is awesome...A little bit of Schubert...Uhh most recent "classical" I listen to would be Oliver Messiaen.
I've come to hate a lot of classical (Mozart, Handel, etc.) from studying music history and listening to way too much.
edit: Can't forget Mendellsohn and Debussy.
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School is a lie. :(
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I can't say I like Mozart Haydn or Beethoven, because there's stuff of theirs i don't like also. However, I've been big into Rachmaninoff, Debussy, Stravinsky, and Prokof'iev.
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I'm listening to Brahms right now - "Ein Deutsches Requiem"
guess what my favourite musical form is?
That's right: requiems and masses.
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I've recently started playing my viola again which as revived my interested in classical music. Last night when I was going to bed I listened to Dvorak's 8th symphony and then on the way to school this morning I listened to Dvorak's "American" quartet. It was lovely.
In 12th grade, they gave these "awards" to all the seniors. Mine was "Most likely to be a music teacher who only teaches Dvorak". Hehe. This was because I really, really wanted to play that quartet but all the people in my quartet were wusses who thought it was too hard.
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guess what my favourite musical form is?
That's right: requiems and masses.
This is simply awesome.
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Uh-hyup. Me does the bad grammar do I.
Seriously, those two forms are easily my favourites. I just love the way choirs and orchestras sound together.
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One of my favorite composers is Mahler. I think. I am forgetfull when it comes to all the music stuff I've learned.
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Requiems just sound absolutely gorgeous. My choir is doing Mozarts Lacrymosa and it makes me giddy to sing it.
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*envy*
I'd love to do that. Need a bass-baritone?
I think the most effective concert I ever went to was when the national Youth Orchestra of Wales and the National Youth Choir of Wales got together to perform Karl Jenkins' "The Armed Man: A Mass for Peace"
blew me away. Seriously, people were crying during that one.
I played Tuba when my orchestra did it last November in Brecon Cathedral, in the same concert where we did Faure's (sp?) requiem. One of our best concerts, though since surpassed by the concert we did this month, where our leader did a fantastic job of Tchaikovsky's violin concerto. i wish I'd recorded it, he absolutely nailed it.
I love my orchestra. We do some fantastic concerts, and I'm really proud (and lucky) to be a part of it. We did the 1812 overture in the mediterranean dome of the national botanical gardens (wales), complete with cannon, guns and fireworks. glorious stuff.
our leader, actually, is a real blessing. his name's Rhys Watkins, and he is, without a doubt, the best violin player I have ever known. he's twenty-eight years old, and I have never heard anybody who plays "Schindler's List" anywhere near as well as he does it.
And our real claim to fame is that we once played with Katherine Jenkins (the famous soprano). Hell, our regular tenor almost had a nervous breakdown having to sing alongside her. Apparently, she slipped out of her top during rehearsal, but only our conductor noticed, more's the pity.
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Sadly our bass-bari section is full (though there's only four of us you can actually hear).
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damn.
Eh, no matter, really. We've got a concert in two months that promises to rock at least a half a dozen socks.
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We had our first performance today. Is it wrong that I get tingly when singing the Lacrymosa?
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Not at all. I think I'd burst out crying. In fact, Mozart himself couldn't get past the first 8 bars without breaking down.
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Actually I think it depends where you get tingly.
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all over the place
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hmm...yeah, that's not wrong.
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aww man... The BBC symphony orchestra's playing Beethoven's 5th in the Brangwyn Hall on Friday, and I can't go...
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stravinsky, anyone?
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I am always for Ludwig Van, and some good old fasioned....
Eh, sorry I'll stop it there.
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urgh
my local wind band has started playing an arrangement of the music from "The Lord of The Rings" arranged by by a guy who really should have been tortured to death with a cheesegrater rather than let anywhere near that music. The result is the audible equivelant of a happy meal with half a rat in the french fries.
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Why do people think arranging the hottest thing in "classical" styles is cool?
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Because they make a shitload of money when crappy local bands buy their second-rate pretentious shit so that they can experience some kind of cheap thrill at playing "big movie music" in the town hall?
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problem is (at least in America) arrangers don't make money except the initial fee they charge to arrange the piece. Any money made off the perfomance mainly goes to the composer.