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Fun Stuff => ENJOY => Topic started by: yelley on 16 Jul 2005, 17:45
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so for anyone that has finished reading the book...
i was at work for the midnight release... but my parents, being as awesome as they are, bought me a copy at midnight and dropped it off for me. ^_^ so yay for that.
SPOILERS BEGIN NOW (added by Clara)
i'm really sad that she killed dumbledore. i actually cried.
i gasped aloud when the harry-ginny thing started. yaaaay!
i'm a bit disappointed that she used the word slut in the book... but not enough to make a big deal about it.
all in all, i think i liked this one best so far.... slightly better than gof i think... but i didn't feel that way until the last thrid of the book.
/geek
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i gasped aloud when the harry-ginny thing started. yaaaay!
/geek
Yeah, I enjoyed that too. Until they broke up 2 chapters later.
I enjoyed the beginning of the book, then began to get frustrated as things went on. I still liked it though.
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I just finished!!!
my correct predictions:
1. dumbledore dies (kinda became obvious when JKR said something along the lines of "that'd give away the book" when she was replying to rumors about it)
2. snape is evil. I've always hated him.
3. basically all of harry's O.W.L.s (+/- 1 grade)
4. Harry<3Ginny
whee...4 is better than last year
and to copy toastess...
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i'm a bit disappointed that she used the word slut in the book... but not enough to make a big deal about it.
/geek
Why? It's much more real. Voldemort's mother had come from an abusive home, and I think a father calling his daughter a 'slut' show's how horrible his background was. I'm glad she used the word 'slut'. The books have really matured.
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>>i'm a bit disappointed that she used the word slut in the book... but not enough to make a big deal about it.<<
<<Why? It's much more real. Voldemort's mother had come from an abusive home, and I think a father calling his daughter a 'slut' show's how horrible his background was. I'm glad she used the word 'slut'. The books have really matured.>>
I know that it stunned me. Making it far, far worse was that (in the US version at least) two words after the word "slut," the word "who're" appeared. As in whoAPOSTROPHEre. But still, mentally remove that apostrophe, in such close proximity to "slut" and you get a SCARY mental image for a kid's book.
My verdict on the entire book: It's only fitting that that after the weakest book in the series, HP&tOOP, comes what I feel is the best one yet.
Lee Zion.
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Ahh, that's better. I havn't read any of the HP books yet, so I don't mind the spoilers. It will be helpful to know what happens when everyone starts talking about it tho.
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while i personally was not put off by the use of the word slut, i know that a lot of seven year olds read these books... and i would not want to be the one to explain what a slut is to my seven year old sister/daughter/kid/etcetera....
yeah, i had an inkling that dumbledore was going to die, but i was hoping that it was wrong or that it would at least get saved until the last book.
and i never liked snape either!
p.s. i don't really have a seven year old anything. yay.
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I added that little warning before the spoilers, JUST IN CASE.
Yaaaaaay.
Okbye :)
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WHY DID I JUST READ THIS THREAD :/
I HAVEN'T EVEN TOUCHED A COPY OF THE BOOK YET
*bangs head on desk*
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Seven year olds know more than you would think...
Just finished the book, awesome but horribly depressing.
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The bit about dumbledore made me cry too :-( I dunno I'm a bit weirded out about all this 'snogging' business I mean why do the lil Hogwarts kids have to grow up dammit ...... next book Hermoine might have a pregnancy scare then again I guess it does make it more convincing and all but i dunno I think their getting more and more adult and not as kiddie friendly anymore. I still really liked it and now I'm totally hyped for the next one as it will mean hopefully be the final death of voldermort although I'm guessing we will sacrifice a few more key characters possibly Hermoine or Ron :-( But yeah Harry is totally set for some major vengence
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Rowling basically just woke up one day and said, "Hmm... you know everything light and happy in my books? I'd like to just discard all that."
I feel personally betrayed because I DID like Snape. Not in a "OMG ALAN RICKMAN IS SO HOTTT!" way, but because I like good guys that aren't necessarily nice people. And now I hate him more than Kreacher and Umbridge combined. I hope he gets sodomized by a train.
And I'm still holding on to (probably extremely false) hope that this was all an elaborate plot and that Dumbledore had worked things out with Snape to make sure that Malfoy didn't become a murderer. I don't hope this because I like Snape, but because I just REALLY DON'T WANT DUMBLEDORE TO BE WRONG!
Off to go light a candle and listen to "Into the West".
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I found it fairly predictable, but that doesn't mean I liked what happened. What I hoped and what I expected are two different things.
Snape betraying Dumbledore----I had a nagging feeling it would probably happen, but hoped against hope that he would turn out to be the good guy all along. Yeah right.
Tonks/Lupin---TOTALLY unexpected! Whoo!
Dumbledore getting the axe---I thought it'd wait 'till the seventh book, but there you go. Now Harry's left without his mentor.
ADDITION: Oh----R:A:B, anyone?
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Here's what I guessed right before the book was released:
1. Dumbledore was the casualty.
2. Snape was the HBP.
3. Harry and Ginny Weasley got together.
4. Tonks and Lupin. (Well, I didn't really think there WAS anything between them, but I thought it would be cool if there was)
5. Fleur and Bill got engaged.
6. Voldemort had put part of his soul in something else (admittedly, I thought he had put part of himself in Harry, because of all the similarities between them. I had no idea that he had six pieces of himself scattered around.)
7. Snape got to teach DADA.
Here's what I never saw coming:
1. Snape would betray Dumbledore.
2. Harry would decide not to come back to Hogwarts.
As for R.A.B., I have no idea. I thought Regulus Black, but he's supposed to be dead, right?
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i thought of regulus black first too... i don't know exactly how that would work since he's dead.... but maybe it happened a long time ago? i don't know.
the more i've thought about it, the less dumbledore's death bothers me. harry's mentor is gone... i think it was the next step. when it gets down to it, i think harry needs to face voldemort alone.
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i thought of regulus black first too... i don't know exactly how that would work since he's dead.... but maybe it happened a long time ago? i don't know.
the more i've thought about it, the less dumbledore's death bothers me. harry's mentor is gone... i think it was the next step. when it gets down to it, i think harry needs to face voldemort alone.
I'm thinking one of the dudes who run Borgin and Burkes, the Dark Artifact, shop. Regulus Black did turn back to the good side, so it is possible, but Borgin or Burke seems likely too.
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Just finished it. Literally within the last two or three minutes, and I didn't skip a single word, either.
Aside from the chills, and the small voice in the back of my mind that's repeating "holy shit..." to itself over and over, My response:
That is a GOOD book. I'll definitely be re-reading it in short order.
I have to admire Rowling, really - she's not afraid to Kill off major characters, and she CERTAINLY doesn't shy away from death, upheaval and all-round nastiness. HP&HBP should have a "PG" certificate, I swear. Murder, the undead, betrayal, blood blood blood...
I just hope that the seventh book lives up to the ending of this one. Rowling was definitely surfing her creative wave when she came to the last few chapters, I think.
She's like that - under normal cirumstances, I still wouldn't call her an above average writer. Her gift, however, appears to be that every so often she shifts up a gear and suddenly becomes an outstanding one, precisely when it most counts. She's like a kung fu master who strings you along and lets you think you aren't up against a challenge, and then, suddenly, it's raining fists.
Top 3 favourite points in the book:
- Weasley's Wizard Wheezes.
- The kiss.
- The last line.
I just wish she'd stop using the word "snogging". It's too vulgar.
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I knew that Dumbledore was going to die, either in this book or in the next. Much as I dislike what that SP2 guy wrote in the other Harry Potter thread, he was right in saying that the series re-uses a lot of fantasy elements. Since Harry had a mentor in Dumbledore (the same way Luke had a mentor in Obi-Wan) it was only natural that Dumbledore would have to die (the same way Obi-Wan died) so that The Hero could grow.
One thing that is truly a tragedy is that no matter how many lives Harry saves (Ginny, Arthur and now Ron) people close to him still die. And still worse, all these deaths are pointless. Cedric Diggory: nonchalantly killed because he was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Sirius Black: Fell through a curtain. Albus Dumbledore: Weakened himself to the point where he could not defend himself while pursuing an item to kill Voldemort — an item that turned out to be a fake.
And yet, life definitely goes on. The end of the sixth book reads like Four Weddings and a Funeral, with Bill&Fleur, Lupin&Tonks, Ron&Hermione, and Harry&Ginny coupling at Dumbledore's wake.
As Harry's readers are growing up, the series is growing up with them. Many of the readers who were Harry's age when the first book came out will have children of their own by the time HP7 hits the stands.
Lee Zion.
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Just a minor correction, It is Morfin(her brother), not Marvolo(her father), who calls Marope a slut. I was only mildly taken aback thet the word actually appeared in the book. And how about them being cross-eyed due to inbreeding?
Speaking of inbreeding, Tonks/Sirius just didn't seem right to me. I didn't exactly suspect Lupin though.
The love theme was quite a bit stronger than ever before in this one. I think it was handled well enough.
On the note of borrowing from the established concepts of magic, any good fantasy fan should notice Voldemort for what he truly is now, A Lich. Also, was it just me or did the chapter "the cave" read like a D&D adventure?
It is rather definate that Dumbledore is dead but for anyone who want's to hold out the smallest bit of hope, Dumbledore's body is not actually seen at the funeral and a certain potion comes to mind(Draught of the Living Death).
Edit: For this theory to work, Snape has to be one HELL of an actor and Dumbledore would have a lot of explaining to do for sending people through such an emotional upheaval.
RAB also made me thing of Regulus first but who knows.
Despite Harry's intentions at the end, I doubt we've seen the lats of Hogwarts.
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I knew that Dumbledore was going to die, either in this book or in the next. Much as I dislike what that SP2 guy wrote in the other Harry Potter thread, he was right in saying that the series re-uses a lot of fantasy elements. Since Harry had a mentor in Dumbledore (the same way Luke had a mentor in Obi-Wan) it was only natural that Dumbledore would have to die (the same way Obi-Wan died) so that The Hero could grow.
I noticed that too - Harry splitting with Ginny at the end, for her protection, to me reads a bit like Spider-man's relationship with MJ. Hell, Ginny's even got girl-next-door redhead thing going on...
I'd hardly say that using such established literary staples as killing off the mentor and finishing amicably with the girl for noble reasons is a bad thing - hell, without re-using certain hooks, stories would simply never get written, simple as that.
Having said that, I think having the mentor killed off by a trusted (apparent) ally, of that ally's free will is either unique or else very, very rare. I think I mostly thought that Snape, despite being an unpleasant bloke, was still mostly on the level.
With regards to R.A.B: Regulus Black would be the only name I can think of that matches, but his middle name was never mentioned, I think. On the other hand, the impression I got (from a quick re-reading of that section in HP&OotP) was that Regulus Black probably wasn't smart, brave or powerful enough to get past the defences around that amulet. Dumbledore said that it would require a wizard of surpassing skill, plus backup, to get that far, and I got the impression from the short tale of Regulus Black that the dude was, at the very most, only an average and impressionable wizard.
It is rather definate that Dumbledore is dead but for anyone who want's to hold out the smallest bit of hope, Dumbledore's body is not actually seen at the funeral and a certain potion comes to mind(Draught of the Living Death)
He was hit with Avada Kadavra so hard that he was sent flying. Seeing as there's basically no known defence against that that doesn't make the curse rebound upon it's caster, I'd say he's dead. you certainly never saw him drink, or have time to drink, a sleep potion. I will, however, concede that you don't see his body at the funeral, merely a shroud-wrapped form that is most probably his corpse.
Besides, it'd be a real cop-out for Rowling to bring him back - SERIOUS deus ex machina. And if there's one thing we've been shown, it's that she doesn't really like to use DEM if she can help it.
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Besides, it'd be a real cop-out for Rowling to bring him back - SERIOUS deus ex machina. And if there's one thing we've been shown, it's that she doesn't really like to use DEM if she can help it.
SNRK!!!!
Also, no offense, Sideways, but you argued repeatedly that Harry Potter is a kids book. This one definitely does not sound like a kid's book.
Just making observations.
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I just finished about 15 minutes ago. I enjoyed it, but I think the previous 2 books were better.
I liked how we got more back-story into Voldemort's life, but other than that the lessons with Dumbledore were a little boring. I was sad to see him go though. The last part of the book had me turning the pages as fast as I could.
It seems like this one was filled with a lot more romance than the previous books. I guess one could attribute that to the "well, they're teenagers, it's natural" argument, but it seems almost as if J.K. Rowling is selling out a little.
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SNRK!!!!
While I'm inclined to simply invite you to fuck off and actually read the book before getting involved here, I think I'll do that after a somewhat more civil rebuttal:
Book 1: Harry got out of his encounter with Quirell by being harmful to the guy on contact. Perhaps a slight cop-out, but well justified, so I'm prepared to let it slide. Besides, he did have to get through a series of trials and locks invented by some of Hogwart's best teachers in order to get there in the first place, that probably counts for something.
Book 2: Fawkes turning up with the hat and sword - Harry declared his loyalty to Dumbledore, Fawkes turned up. Again, justified. Besides, even with the sword and phoenix, it was hardly an easy fight.
Book 3: Fought his own way out of a tight corner. No help whatsoever.
Book 4: Aided through the tri-wizard tournament by a death eater who meant him harm anyway. Subsequently got himself out of harm's way without much in the way of aid, AND helf his own against Voldemort, completely without assistance.
book 5: Hard fight, godfather killed, got out of it, but only barely. Dumbledore's arrival did little bar saving Harry's life.
book six: Hard fight, mentor killed, got the crap kicked out of him by Snape, NO HELP.
I've not seen a single example of obvious DEM in the entire series. Rowling is at least competent enough not to fall back on that tired old mechanism. Sure, she's not afraid to bring in a little extra help for Harry, but she's always sufficient justification for it, and the incoming help has never managed to single-handedly save the day and provide a happy ending - Dumbledore didn't save Sirius, for example - so it isn't DEM. DEM is the ending of "Shaun of the Dead" not of "Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone", which was the closest Rowling has ever come to using it.
Now for the bit where I get uncivilised.
We know you don't like J.K. Rowling, or the Harry Potter books, OR the extended franchise. We are at least sufficiently intelligent to have gotten that much into our heads the first time you said it, never mind that you've been playing the same shit like a stuck record ever since. Shut the fuck up, go back to the other HP thread and let those of us who want to retrospectively discuss THIS BOOK on its own, without your "Rowling is a hack" attitude, get on with it.
Or have you actually read HP&HBP and come up with something relevant, intelligent and useful to add to the discussion?
Now, I know I'm being nasty here, and I apologise, but while I'm prepared to hear you out on the whole "Rowling = bad" argument, you've just added one too many straw to the proverbial camel. I've said it before, and I'll say it again - Don't be so quick to assume that people give a flying purple fuck about your opinion. You're not a fan, FINE. I'm cool with that. What I object to is your barging in here and beginning to spread the same old shit around all over again. We're discussing the book in retrospect here, and while you're entitled to both have and express an opinion, I really must stress that, as far as I'm concerned (obviously, I can't speak for everyone else), that your opinion will not be welcome on this thread so long as you haven't actually read the book, cover to cover, and thought about it for a while.
Anyway, rant and topic deviation over.
I enjoyed it, but I think the previous 2 books were better.
I'd have to disagree with your saying that Order of the Phoenix was better... that one seemed to be the uninspired one to me. Rowling trotted along at a steady pace and never once seemed to hit that extra creative burst she has. Goblet of Fire, however...
Jury's still out on that, really. I think I prefer HBP, but that may be because I've always preferred stuff with a darker edge to it. Both novels were definitely written in a higher average gear than the rest of the series.
It seems like this one was filled with a lot more romance than the previous books
Tell me about it. round about Chapter 15, there was one hell of a love web going on.
Like I say, I just wish Rowling had used "Kissing" instead of "snogging". I know it's a typically Brit-kid word, but I still find it to be an uncomfortable term. In fact, her handling of the kissy stuff in that section of the book was more than a bit uncomfortable for me, simply because of the language she was using. The short space where Harry and Ginny finally got together was much more comfortable.
That may have been deliberate, mind. Using the slightly coarser language certainly created an impression of awkwardness and wrongness, so when the relationship fell properly into place, it just worked better. Interesting technique, though I think Rowling could still have been somewhat more subtle...
Whatever, I'll think about it some more...
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It is rather definate that Dumbledore is dead but for anyone who want's to hold out the smallest bit of hope, Dumbledore's body is not actually seen at the funeral ...
Dumbledore's body was at the funeral. Hagrid carried him to the wooden table, then there was the eulogy, then that explosion made the insta-tomb around his body.
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Ah, but it was all wrapped in cloth.
Anyway, how come no discussion yet of the insane break of format book 7's going to be? Also the fact that Harry is never going to finish his exams, by the look of it, which means he won't probably become an Auror, especially with that mutual loathing between him and the ministry.
I predict Harry either dies or is hideously wounded in his battle to defeat Voldie next book. Even if the next book is the last...It's not inconcievable that JK might have been saying seven all along so she could throw a curve-ball or something, after all, it no longer has to be to the end of school...
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It's possible that Harry WILL return to Hogwarts, and just as posisble he WON'T return at all. On the one hand, his huge bank account and the fact that he now owns 12 Grimmauld Place means he need never return to school, and can bankroll his trip. Plus, he obviously can't search for four Horcruxes while going to classes On the other hand, he may need to revive Dumbledore's Army, and the best place to do that would be at the school. As we saw in The Cave, Potter can't do it alone.
It's possible that Ron and Hermione will go with him on his yearlong trip. Molly would probably let her son go, but how is Hermy going to explain it all to a bunch of dentists?
Lee Zion.
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Actually, I'm thinking it'll be a happy ending to number 7. I could be wrong, of course... but I think I'll be disappointed if it isn't. Or at least, I'd certainly feel quite down for a week.
It's possible that Ron and Hermione will go with him on his yearlong trip. Molly would probably let her son go, but how is Hermy going to explain it all to a bunch of dentists?
I doubt she'll bother, actually...
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I would still like to meet Hermione's parents properly...I hope that happens in the next book, however briefly. Culture shock is the the best kind of shock!
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We did, remember? Book 2. They were in Diagon alley with Hermione when Arthur Weasley and Lucius Malfoy busted it up in Flourish and Blott's.
Uhm... I think I'm a bit too good for my own good at this trivia shit...
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No, I meant properly...I want to see Harry and Ron holing up in their house wierding 'em out properly.
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Considering that they probably had a pretty freaky parenting experience with a poweful junior witch in the house (things flying around, exploding, etc) coupled by a flotilla of owls arriving one summer and explaining that their daughter had a place at a school for magic, coupled with meeting the Weasley's the following summer... Something tells me that encountering Ron and Harry, who're pretty normal next to people like Hagrid, Tonks and Arthur Weasley, and whom they've already met, really wouldn't phase them as much as you think.
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so for anyone that has finished reading the book...
i was at work for the midnight release... but my parents, being as awesome as they are, bought me a copy at midnight and dropped it off for me. ^_^ so yay for that.
SPOILERS BEGIN NOW (added by Clara)
i'm really sad that she killed dumbledore. i actually cried.
i gasped aloud when the harry-ginny thing started. yaaaay!
i'm a bit disappointed that she used the word slut in the book... but not enough to make a big deal about it.
all in all, i think i liked this one best so far.... slightly better than gof i think... but i didn't feel that way until the last thrid of the book.
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You space fucking spoilers a little farther than that
Jesus fuckin' christ I just wanted to know a little about the book.
I tried to scroll down and there it fuckin' was in my face.
Thanks for ruinng the book for me.
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See the thread title?
With the words 'WITH SPOILERS'?
See the OTHER Harry Potter thread?
With no 'WITH SPOILERS'?
WHICH THREAD DOES THAT INDICATE ONE SHOULD HAVE GONE TO TO DISCUSS THE BOOK AND NOT GET SPOILERS?
*beats you with the stupid stick*
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Yeah - seriously dude, don't be rude and obnoxious to someone just because you've fallen victim to your own foolish behaviour.
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Go play with your ass.
I am sorry I missed the thread, because its at the bottom of the fuckin' page.
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You know, it was really kind of obvious right off the bat that Dumbledore was going to die. All of a sudden, he's popping up everywhere in the book, as opposed to OoTP where he all he did was show up every once in a while.
But jeez, it still hasn't really sunken in that he's not going to be in the last book. (Unless he comes back as an Inferi. Wouldn't THAT be interesting?)
And Snape. Man, I liked Snape. When I read 'Spinner's End', I had to convince myself that he was just acting along. (Also, whatever happened to Pettigrew locked up in the closet? I feel we haven't seen the last of him. He still has that 'debt' to repay to Harry, after all.) But now, I really don't know what to think.
AND I AM SO PISSED THAT PERCY DIDN'T DIE.
DIE, PERCY, DIE.
Also, didn't Rowling say that the HBP was a new character? LIES. Or mabye she was telling the truth and it's just someone DISGUISED as Snape?
Also also, what was Dumbledore's brother's name? Aberforth? I hope he turns up. (Or is he dead? I don't remember.)
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A few points.
- I don't think snape IS evil. I think instead of begging for his life, Dumbledore was begging for Snape to kill him, instead of revealing which side he really is on, or forcing Malfoy to become a murderer. Dumbledore would never beg for his life..even Harry saw that. Dumbledore was sacrificing himself to save Malfoy and to allow Snape to carry on his charade. Besides, if snape hadn't killed Dumbeldore, he would have died too, thanks to the Vow. Think, now Voldie will NEVER doubt snape again. He's the perfect spy, its just that noone knows it except Dumbledore.
- I'm glad about H+G, but I felt it was extremely cliched to do the whole "noble breakup" thing. I, too, immediately thought of Spiderman. Also, it doesn't make sense for them to break up, the whole freaking school, Snape and Malfoy included, know that they were dating...its not like Vold wouldn't find out how much they like each other.
- Dumbledore isn't gone. He should, theoretically, be able to talk to harry out of his portrait, just like every other headmaster of hogwarts. That is, unless Rowling explains in the next book why that isn't the case.
- If school happens next book, Hagrid is totally going to be head of Gryffendor.
- I'm thinking the real necklace was in Regulus's hands at some point, and is currently probably hidden in Harry's new house.
Edit: Oh, and I think it WAS aberforth, and no, as far as we know he isn't dead. Moody just said he disappeared after the last war.
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>>I don't think snape IS evil. I think instead of begging for his life, Dumbledore was begging for Snape to kill him, instead of revealing which side he really is on, or forcing Malfoy to become a murderer. Dumbledore would never beg for his life..even Harry saw that. Dumbledore was sacrificing himself to save Malfoy and to allow Snape to carry on his charade. Besides, if snape hadn't killed Dumbeldore, he would have died too, thanks to the Vow. Think, now Voldie will NEVER doubt snape again. He's the perfect spy, its just that noone knows it except Dumbledore.<<
There is definitely something going on with Snape. yes, he definitely killed Dumbledore. But during the final battle, he had an opportunity to take out a whole bunch of other people as well. He only Stupefied Flitwick rather than kill him outright. A true supporter of Voldemort, once he reveals himself, would not hesitate.
BUT!
BUT! BUT BUT!
He takes pride in what he's done! He haughtily and arrogantly taunts Harry over it in the end! A truly good man would not do that, either.
Maybe he's still on Dumbledore's side; maybe he's a true Death Eater. Either way, he's a dead man.
Lee Zion.
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You space fucking spoilers a little farther than that
Jesus fuckin' christ I just wanted to know a little about the book.
I tried to scroll down and there it fuckin' was in my face.
Thanks for ruinng the book for me.
wow... you didn't have to leap down my throat about it. it's not my fault you didn't read the warning before clicking on the thread. let's try to be civil with each other, okay? no need to swear so much.
anyway, back on topic....
even if he doesn't go back to hogwarts and he goes off and kills voldemort... i would think the ministry would let him be an auror anyway even though they don't exactly get along. killing the most powerful dark wizard that has tormented the wizarding world for years.... sounds like enough qualification to me.
a lot of people are saying that they think that dumbledore isn't really dead. the more i think about it, the more i disagree. i really think he's dead. same with sirius. i could be wrong of course, but i think that bringing either of them back would be a cop-out on rowling's part.
deus ex machina that seems to have been forgotten in this discussion - the ford anglia showing up in the forest to rescue harry and ron from aragog's descendants. i know i groaned aloud when i saw this in the theatres.... by the way i didn't start reading the books until after the third movie came out.
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a lot of people are saying that they think that dumbledore isn't really dead. the more i think about it, the more i disagree. i really think he's dead. same with sirius. i could be wrong of course, but i think that bringing either of them back would be a cop-out on rowling's part.
I agree. Like others said, Harry's still got the picture of Dumbledore, so he's not COMPLETELY gone. It'd be stupid to bring him back.
This might just be my creepy, dramatic tendencies taking over, but I think it'd be really REALLY interesting if Voldermort brought Dumbledore's body back as an Inferi.
Because a zombie Dumbledore would be COMPLETELY RAD. I'd let him eat MY brain.
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i think what is interesting is that voldemort and snape were so similar.
what is the deal there, i wonder?
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Of course, Dumbledore could very well come back as a ghost...he's an unavenged murder victim after all. And teeeeeribly powerful.
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Just finished it. Awesomeness. Yes, lots of lovey dovey in this book. Snogging is just the british term for making out. It was horribly clear that Dumbledore would die in this book as you are reading it, all those references to Dumbledore becoming older and slower, and his what appeared to be half-dead hand all were shouting DUMBLEDORE DIES AT THE END. No Dumbledore nor Sirius will come back. Dumbledore wont be an Inferi. It does all end happily, I saw an interview where J.K told us that she has written the final chapter of the final book already and that it basically tells us what happens to the three main characters after they become fully fledged wizards.
Horcruxes.Horcruxes.Horcruxes.Horcruxes. I had a thought that Harry himself might be the final Horcrux and that he might have to extract Voldemort's soul from inside himself somehow. But after thinking about it some more it seems very unlikely. I am also looking forward as to how J.K explains Harry and Co. being able to find the final four Horcruxes in the space of a year when it took Dumbledore himself a good 6 years to find two (one of which being a fake).
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deus ex machina that seems to have been forgotten in this discussion - the ford anglia showing up in the forest to rescue harry and ron from aragog's descendants.
Oh yeah, kinda forgot about that.
Okay, make that MOSTLY doesn't use DEM. I always thought that HP&CoS was the weakest book of the series anyway. I'd order them, at the moment, in descending order:
1: Half-blood prince.
2: Goblet of Fire.
3: Prisoner of Azkaban.
4: Philosopher's Stone.
5: Order of the Phoenix.
6: Chamber of Secrets.
Snogging is just the british term for making out.
Basically, yeah, though I still maintain that it's quite a coarse term. In fact, it's been a long time since I last heard anybody use it.
Of course, Dumbledore could very well come back as a ghost...he's an unavenged murder victim after all. And teeeeeribly powerful.
My reading of ghosts in the Harry Potter world was that they were the ones who were too afraid to pass over into the afterlife, rather than having any kind of noble unfinished busioness thing going on.
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Dumbledore isn't coming back. What Rowling did was take away the safety net for Harry and the readers.
I don't know about the rest of the world, but there was the thought was always in the back of my head that nothing terrible would happen to the kids with Albus there. He was like the bedsheet protecting us from the monsters in the closet.
With him gone, I'm finally starting to feel a sense of doom.
I really hope that Snape isn't on Voldemort's side, but at the same time, I don't really care. The fact remains that he murdered him, tortured Harry, and escaped into the night with a heap of death-eaters.
By the way, did anyone else find Greyback the werewolf as terrifying as I did?
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Absolutely terrifying.
Oh, and the thing that really scared me was when they were in the cave, and---and Dumbledore was afraid.
And, of course, fear just humanized him all too much.
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Yeah I agree with you Aphi .... the cave scene was horrible ...... I could totally feel Harry's pain at seeing his mentor like that and at the same time I saw Dumbledore as weak and human and no longer this untouchable figure of all that was good :(
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=snorts=
Oh. I opened my book to a random page.
"There's no need to call me sir, Professor."
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Yeah, that bit was pretty cool.
As was "have some purkey, Or a little tooding... I mean..."
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^^
Loved that.
Hey, for anyone who's interested in the fourth movie, a trailer's been released...
GobletOfFire(dot) com.
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So at about 2 AM last night, I decided to sit down and read a couple chapters of the new harry potter book. Then I got sucked the fuck in, and I just finished it.
I will stand by everything that has already been said in this thread, but would like to add that Harry's smartassitude in general was great, and the fact that Harry Potter now has Zombie's in it kicks ass. Also, Fenrir was a great character.
On the other hand
SIRIUS BLACK IS TOTALLY NOT DEAD![/i][/b]
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I don't think I've ever agreed with you before, SeanBateman, but GOOD ON YOU.
Siri /has/ to come back, he has to.
Still one more book, right?
=twitches=
It's weird, though. I mean, it's a kids' book, it's not amazing, and yet it sucks you in.
And as far as Smartassery goes, I distinctly remember thinking, when harry said "There's no need to call me sir, Professor", "Oh my gosh! He could give Faye a run for her money!"
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as much as I appreciate the words of support, now I am just concerned about why you've never agreed before. I hope I haven't been offensive/
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'course not. I just don't think I've ever even /spoken/ to you is all.
=waves= Hello there.
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to avoid offtopicing, how cool was it that Harry wasn't in the first 2 chapters at all?
Also,nice to meet you
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SIRIUS BLACK IS TOTALLY NOT DEAD
i'd like to think being hit in the chest with a death spell, knocked into a room with a 'power more terrifying than you can imagine" would securely put him in the "dead' column, but I've been wrong before.
Anyway, since i'm not part of the lunatic fanfiction cannon, its nice to see that J.K. Rowling can write minor drama as well as high drama.
Snape, I get the feeling is loyal to one person and one person only: Snape.
Peronsally, I want to see Hagrid go medieval on the Death Eaters when the chips laid down in book 7.
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was sirius actually hit with the killing curse? in my memory he just falls through the archway... i think i need to dig out OotP and check... unless someone on here has it committed to memory...
as for snape, i'm not really sure what to think here. part of me is like, oh he was just evil and he sucks. but here's what i want to be true: snape really isn't a bad guy and this was a plan of dumbledore's. dumbledore always said he had his reasons for trusting snape and i don't think the one that was hinted at (with the prophecy and him feeling remorse) is good enough. so the scene where malfoy was supposed to kill dumbledore... seems like she's hinting that he's going to turn good again, so maybe snape was just supposed to get him and protect him by killing dumbledore so he wouldn't do it. snape did take that unbreakable vow, after all... allowing malfoy to kill dumbledore probably wouldn't be upholding his end of the vow. maybe dumbledore had some reason to believe that he was more expendable than snape. dumbledore probably knows that harry needed to do it on his own anyway. that's really wishful thinking though... i think i just don't want snape to be bad because i kinda liked his character, the bad good guy.
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I completely agree that Hagrid has to finally kick some ass in book seven.
We are bound to see more of Narcissa and Belatrix in book seven as well, they are Tonks' aunts you know.
Speaking of moments of laughter I was cracking up at Peeves after Harry asked Luna to Slug's Christmas party. Luuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrve!
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Snogging is just the british term for making out.
Basically, yeah, though I still maintain that it's quite a coarse term. In fact, it's been a long time since I last heard anybody use it.
Well, HP is mostly written in a locked down third person following Harry and examining his thoughts (can't remember the bloody proper name for it), but anyway, the use of such terms adds realism I think: Harry isn't that particularly refined or soft spoken, and he wouldn't be: he was bought up with the Dursleys shouting abuse at him, went to a state school, etc. He's relatively polite and nice, but not that soft-spoken. They're sixteen year old schoolboys ffs. I applaud the use of the term.
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I get that, and I understand and accept the context it's used in. I just think that "Snogging" is to "Kissing" what "Cunt" is to "Vagoo"- a bad word for a good thing.
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Hagrid already kicked a bit of arse, in that he ate enough dark magic to put down a fucking squad of Aurors with only a few cuts to show for it.
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Oh, and
RIP Bill's hawt face.
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Eh, his fiance reckons he now looks manly and tough, so I guess it works out in his favour.
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Yeah, well, no one ever doubted that Phlegm was an odd one.
Really, she's right up there with Luna.
By the by, I /love/ Luna's socially-inept bluntness.
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>>I am also looking forward as to how J.K explains Harry and Co. being able to find the final four Horcruxes in the space of a year when it took Dumbledore himself a good 6 years to find two (one of which being a fake).<<
The answer to that is astonishingly simple. Dumbledore first had to lay the GROUNDWORK for finding the Horcrucruxes, and THAT took him a year. Now that Harry knows that Voldemort likes to keep trophies, and now that he knows that the Horcruxes are likely to be in places where Voldemort has had his greatest triumphs, and now that he has seen enough of Voldemort's youth to know where some of his most nostalgic triumphs are, the search will go much faster. Plus, given Hermione's unsurpassed skill at sleuthing out useful information from published sources...
>>I always thought that HP&CoS was the weakest book of the series anyway. I'd order them, at the moment, in descending order:
1: Half-blood prince.
2: Goblet of Fire.
3: Prisoner of Azkaban.
4: Philosopher's Stone.
5: Order of the Phoenix.
6: Chamber of Secrets.<<
Here's mine, in order of strongest to weakness:
1: HBP
2: GoF
3: PoA
4: CoS
5: SS (or PS if you're British)
6: OotP
I rank Phoenix at the bottom because my expectations for it were the highest, but the payoff was the poorest. Sorceror's/Philospher's Stone was very good, but for the first three-quarters of the book, it didn't have much of a plot other than Harry goes here and learns this, then Harry goes here and learns that. The things that make the first book truly good are things you realize only in retrospect, such as the fact that Rowling plants information here that becomes important only much later, such as Sirius Black, Parseltounge, and Mrs. Figg. Also, I only realized in retrospect that she made a daring decision in choosing to open the first book with eight pages of exposition focusing on secondary characters — unusual for a children's novel.
>>Absolutely terrifying.
Oh, and the thing that really scared me was when they were in the cave, and---and Dumbledore was afraid.
And, of course, fear just humanized him all too much.<<
The thing that blew my mind were the closing words of Chapter 26:
"I am not worried, Harry," said Dumbledore, his voice a little stronger despite the freezing water. "I am with you."
Up until this point, there relationship had always been the other way around.
On another note, I realized something last night. A previous poster stated that R.A.B. could be Regulus Black. In which case, the real Horcrux is in the Sirius Black house, said the guy or gal who posted earlier.
BUT — Mundungus was seen stealing things from 12 Grimmauld Place! That means that HE has the Horcrux and doesn't even know it.
(I figured it out! With a pencil and a pad I figured it out! Only five years from today, Only five years from today...)
Coolness points to the first person who figures out where the above quote comes from.
Lee Zion
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It reminds me of 'Twelve Monkeys'?
Nice supposition. I agree with you on the first paragraph as well: The work that took Dumbledore six years was recovering those memories and working out the likely positions of the Horcruxes. Also, no matter how kick-assley Dumbledore is/was, remember he was also running a school and doing all the other stuff he does/did in that time.
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Somehow, I was disappointed this time around.
Everything in this book seemed rushed. So much information was given in such a short space of time. I know this might have been her aim, with the return of Voldemort, how else would it be? But I mean, when Christmas rolled around I did a double-take, expecting it to only be October.
The plot was amazing, there's no denying it. Delving into the past of Voldemort, and discovering the REAL reason he died was the biggest payoff of this book.
But the things that upset me most about this book were as follows - the hasty H/G breakup (although the whole concept of them together was LONG overdue) and the fact that Harry was contemplating not going to Hogwarts for his seventh year. I feel as if without Hogwarts the Harry Potter books aren't going to be the same. It just won't be RIGHT.
On the whole I feel as if even though the book was well-written, it seems more of a bridge than anything to set the stage for the seventh book.
EDIT: I KNEWWWWW Snape was the HBP.
EDIT AGAIN: was sirius actually hit with the killing curse? in my memory he just falls through the archway... i think i need to dig out OotP and check... unless someone on here has it committed to memory...
It said clearly in the fifth book that Sirius was hit by a bright-green jet of light. Bright Green: Avada Kadabra. Sirius was hit by the killing curse.
Yet a little bit of me still hopes he'll rise from the dead again. He was my FAVOURITE.
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It actually said that Sirius was hit by a jet of Bright RED light, not green. Which is either stupefy or expelliarmus.
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Argh seriously? My bad. -_-' I must read up on these silly Potter books.
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Either of which would have knocked him backwards, too.
Ever noticed how Avada Kadavra Sounds a lot like "Abracadabra"? I LIKE that touch... It kind of creates the impression that somehow, somewhere along the line, the incantation for one of the most horrific spell managed to get out among the muggles, albeit in a mutated form. That's a good little detail, I think.
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I posted this theory on another forum, but wanted to see what you guys had to say about it (see how I value your opinion? Cool, huh?):
RE: The Seven Horcruxes
Okay, so five we know about, and at least two have been dealt with. The diary in CoS has a fang through the front cover, the ring that screwed up Dumbledore's manicure has been destroyed (in a way we don't get to find out about), the locket, which has gone AWOL and may or may not already be destroyed, the goblet of Hufflepuff, which is currently stored in an undisclosed location, and Voldemort himself. So we're left with two unknowns. Given what we know about Voldemort, and about how his brain works (collecting trophies, sticking them in places that mean a lot to him), it can be surmised that the other two horcruxes are most likely things left behind by Ravenclaw and Gryffindor. Now, as far as the Ravenclaw object goes, I presently have no theories (though I may move on to that after this one), but I do have an interesting idea on something Gryffindor left behind:
Below is (most of) my original post, reposted for your perusal and fine-tooth combery.
"A theory I quite liked (which I have just found a little evidence for) is what if one of the horcruxes is the Sorting Hat? I figure the location of one of the horcruxes has to be in Hogwarts, because Riddle was a great wizard even then and no doubt achieved a great deal in those hallowed halls, which supports it as a place 'of great importance' for him. Plus, we know he loved the place. So it's not that much of a stretch to think there's something in there waiting to be found. (Note: Although the diary was used inside Hogwarts, it was brought in from outside, so I don't count that as a Hogwarts related Horcrux).
So why the Sorting Hat? Well, it's book seven. No more need for it afterwards, because there'll be no need for Rowling to announce new pupils (aside from the new first years, but I figure they'll be settled in before Harry figures all this out), even if the Potter universe carries on after the end of the 'Harry Potter Saga'. And, from an 'inside the universe' perspective, it could well be that the hat's constant talk of "all the houses banding together" is finally realised when the houses are removed, making Hogwarts one big, happy family. Further support for this theory could be that Hogwarts is re-opened, but few people attend (probably under direction from worried parents), making catering for four houses an impractical impossibility. The added friction created by having four previously competing houses (and with no small amount of animosity between some of them) would make for some dramatic encounters, I'm sure.
And the most compelling bit of evidence? Why, the ownership of the hat: one Godric Gryffindor. Something Dumbledore seems to have overlooked, as he states "the only known relic of Gryffindor [the sword] remains safe". Now, it may be that after the four houses bewitched and put brains in it, it is no longer considered a 'relic of Gryffindor', but somehow I don't think the founders messing around with it diminishes its overall Gryffindor-ness.
Finally, I haven't found the passage yet, but I'm pretty sure somewhere we're told about Riddle's sorting, and how the hat didn't even need to be placed onto his head before he was chosen to be in Slytherin. Whether this was one of those times that JKR threw in a bit of seemingly innocuous bit of information which has a lot of bearing, or whether it is something Riddle would deem significant enough to place a seventh of his soul into, I don't know. But if he was desperate to get a relic from each Hogwarts founder as I think he is, and given that the sword (arguably the ideal Gryffindor relic) is pretty well protected, the Sorting Hat would be a pretty good substitute."
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Interesting theory, and one I entertained for myself for a while, though without elaborating quite that far.
I must say, I think I'd rather wait until book 7 is released than spend too much of my time speculating on things to come... hanging around here has taught me to wait and let the good things happen by themselves.
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thanks for checking the OotP bit about sirius... i was pretty sure that it wasn't avada kedavra that killed sirius. ^_^
switchblade - i like that about the incantation too. the hp lexicon says that it's adapted from an aramaic phrase..
Aramaic: "adhadda kedhabhra" - "let the thing be destroyed".
NOTE: Abracadabra is a cabbalistic charm in Judaic mythology that is supposed to bring healing powers. One of its sources is believed to be from Aramaic avada kedavra, another is the Phoenician alphabet (a-bra-ca-dabra).
grogmonkey - interesting theory... i forgot about the sorting hat being originally gryffindor's...
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It actually said that Sirius was hit by a jet of Bright RED light, not green. Which is either stupefy or expelliarmus.
I really doubt a group of Seath Eaters bent on death and destruction were throwing around spells that weren't going to kill their intended targets.
As for the Sorting Hat, that's a genius theory.
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I really doubt a group of Death Eaters bent on death and destruction were throwing around spells that weren't going to kill their intended targets.
It could have been Crucio, can't remember the colour of that though. From what I remember of the battle descriptions, they don't chuck an Avada Kedavra each time. I would guess that's because AK is so fucking powerful it takes a bit of effort/time to cast, and almost certainly always has to be said out-loud, whilst more minor disarming or blasting spells could be cast instantly and silently. Plus, the tactic seems to be to disarm the opponent first, and then to Crucio them, so they're nice and prone for the killing blow.
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I just finished! So glad I decided to sit down and re-read the previous 5 books before picking up the 6th. There was much that i had forgetten from the other books. Yes, I spent the last week re-reading all the books.. yes, i know i'm a geek.
All in all it was pretty good, definately cant wait till the next.
I am also looking forward as to how J.K explains Harry and Co. being able to find the final four Horcruxes in the space of a year when it took Dumbledore himself a good 6 years to find two (one of which being a fake).
I very much agree, it seems like there is too many unanswered questions and unfinshed parts of the main plot for them to wrap everything up cleanly in the space of one year. But I've noticed in some of the other books, things are left unanswered, but rather left to be assumed, and then confirmed rather then explained. That make sense?
And there is only 3 remaining horcruxes, plus Voldy himself. The ones that were found were the diary, the ring, and the locket, leaving 3 more.
Okay, I had my say :D
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But ze locket eet is a FAKE!
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it never says that the cruciatus curse emits a beam of light.
khar - okay no more typing like fleur.
but really... what do you all think of the locket thing? do you think it really was destroyed or that it's still out there somewhere? i guess there really isn't a way for them to know when a horcrux has been destroyed...
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i read someplace a loony theory that Harry is actually the seventh Horcrux, or at least the thing on his head is. that's why they say that when Voldemort attacked Harry it linked them. maybe instead of trying to kill him he did an ingenious thing and put part of his soul into the one person he sensed was strong enough to challenge him once he reached maturity?
also: secreting a part of his soul into such a potentially powerful wizard would be pretty cool, because apart from the obvious (Harry can't kill him unless he sacrifices himself, or finds out how to remove the horcrux from himself) if someone other than Harry was trying to kill Voldemort then in order to kill him they would also have to attempt to kill Harry, regardless of whether he grew up to be good or bad
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I can't remember if I or somebody else already said this, but I am now almost /certain/ that R.A.B /is/, in fact, Regulus Black.
In OOTP, while the gang are staying at Number Twelve, Grimmauld Place, they're cleaning up, right? Well, for about half a sentence, it talks about them finding a large heavy locket that none of them could open.
eh?
/Eh/?
And considering that Mundungus Fletcher's been stealing stuff they were throwing away---who knows, maybe dungy's got it and doesn't know it.
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Rofl!
(http://www.idrewthis.org/2005/delays.gif)
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I got my book at 9:15 after standing in front of the library since 6:00
Read it untill 4:00 then had to go to work.. Got back at 11:-- and finished it by 11:45...
I don't think im going to buy it tho because is don't really like it... Dumbledore was my Second Favorite chatacter after Sirious and now she's killed off BOTH of them... It was quite horrible too that Snape was the one who killed him... I never liked him but I thaught that he at least respected Dumbledore and was marginally on his side...
I kinda hoped that Dumbledore had made a horocrux.. But it was just that stupid ring that killed his hand...
The next book is just going to feel a bit empty without Albus their... He seemed imortal because he was so venerable...
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>>but really... what do you all think of the locket thing? do you think it really was destroyed or that it's still out there somewhere? i guess there really isn't a way for them to know when a horcrux has been destroyed...<<
I'll repeat my earlier theory. Regulus Black stole the real locket and left it at 12 Grim-Old Place, but Mundugus stole it and probably has it without knowing.
>>i read someplace a loony theory that Harry is actually the seventh Horcrux, or at least the thing on his head is. that's why they say that when Voldemort attacked Harry it linked them. maybe instead of trying to kill him he did an ingenious thing and put part of his soul into the one person he sensed was strong enough to challenge him once he reached maturity?<<
An intriguing theory, but in my opinion, not likely. Dumbledore said Voldy probably intended to make his final Horcrux after killing Harry, but when the AK curse rebounded on him, he didn't have a chance. He did get a chance 13 years later, when he got his new body, but his intention was to kill Harry immediately afterward. He would never set out to destroy his Horcrux, would he?
UNLESS...
Unless JK Rowling gets REAL clever. Voldemort knows so much about the Dark Arts that he DID intend to kill Harry's body as a way of preserving his own Horcrux.
Hmmmmm...
Lee Zion
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That would be extremly cool if Harry was You-know-who's Horucrux... Besides why would Voldy-thingi hide his Horucrux in the family home of somone he killed.. Since Regalus tried to leave the Deatheaters so he killed him. Sooo... um yeah...
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Voldemort didn't hide the horcrux in Regulus' house. Regulus did. Because I mean, there were all sorts of enchantments on the house (implottable,etc) it would make it the perfect hiding place. And why would Voldemort ever look there? He trusted Regulus.
I also don't think that Harry or Nagini are horcruxes. If Voldemort was planning on immortality, he wouldn't invest part of his soul in something that would undoubtedly die before him.
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thanks for checking the OotP bit about sirius... i was pretty sure that it wasn't avada kedavra that killed sirius. ^_^
In the book it says "the second jet of light" it doesnt mention the color (the first, that he had dodged, was red). It also doesnt say if he was dead before he hit and fell through the veil/curtain (it's refered to as both) or not. Though surely falling through it would have killed him anyways. My guess is that the archway is the veil between life and death (it is called the death room after all) though since it is only hinted at not down and out stated, cant be 100% sure.
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I just thought of another small thing to support the wild theory of Dumbledore's not being dead. Remember in Goblet of Fire that Moody said you have to really mean it for the Avada Kedavra curse to work. Well, Snape could have cast the spell without the desire to kill Dumbledore and to everyone watching it wouldn't look any different. But that's just a crazy theory, don't listen to me, but it would fit into Rowlings style of planting ideas in earlier books.
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nice idea, that. there is plenty to debate before the next book, obviously.
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(Unless he comes back as an Inferi. Wouldn't THAT be interesting?)
i had to stop on this comment as soon as i saw it, i couldn't continue to read to see if someone has already said something similar, so i am sorry if this has happened.
i enjoy that Rowling is using a darker writing style, but i think that doing something like turning Dumbeldore into and Inferi would truely be twisted and sick. Inferi do not think. they are not sentient beings. they are deceased bodies in which dark wizards may fill with a magic that enables them to act out on that wizards whim. i, personally, don't think that she would disgrace souch a powerful character as Dumbeldore by turning him into Harry's pet zombie.
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I didn't mean for it to sound as though he would be Harry's pet zombie. I merely meant to say, that would be a VERY powerful tool against Harry, should Voldermort choose to use it.
Because he IS sick and twisted. He already filled a lake with Inferi, surely he wouldn't think twice about making more.
(I don't mean to come across as a little snot. I'm just speculating. XD )
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I just thought of another small thing to support the wild theory of Dumbledore's not being dead. Remember in Goblet of Fire that Moody said you have to really mean it for the Avada Kedavra curse to work. Well, Snape could have cast the spell without the desire to kill Dumbledore and to everyone watching it wouldn't look any different. But that's just a crazy theory, don't listen to me, but it would fit into Rowlings style of planting ideas in earlier books.
I would agree that it fits Rowlings style but I think he is dead for good.
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>>I just thought of another small thing to support the wild theory of Dumbledore's not being dead. Remember in Goblet of Fire that Moody said you have to really mean it for the Avada Kedavra curse to work. Well, Snape could have cast the spell without the desire to kill Dumbledore and to everyone watching it wouldn't look any different.<<
In which case, Snape would be dead because of the Unbreakable Vow
>>I would agree that it fits Rowlings style but I think he is dead for good.<<
My guess is Harry will have a heart-to-heart with Dumbledore's portrait at some point in the book.
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i agree about the portrait of dumbledore thing.
by the way, does she ever go into detail about how that works and who can be portrait-ized? like could sirius talk to harry through a portrait?
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maybe he'll just come back and hang with the rest of the ghosts at Hogwarts, giving people advice, etc.
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I like that theory, but I believe someone pointed out before that people only become ghosts if they're afraid to cross over. Which I highly doubt of Dumbledore.
Plus, Harry said he's not going back to Hogwarts, so that wouldn't really be helpful to him.
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ok, so i am about two thirds of the way through the Order of the Phoenix and it seems to me that Snape *is* a good guy. from what i have heard of the ending of the Half-blood Prince i am joining the camp of the people saying that Dumbledore made Snape go through with the deed because it came down to either Snape or him dying (because of the unbreakable promise) and he felt that having Snape as a spy on the inside, close to Voldemort was more important to the Order than his own life.
in short, Dumbledore is hardcore.
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Yes, in retrospect it's likely that Dumbledore is "hardcore" that way.
By the way, I wanted to point out a cute difference between the U.S. and U.K. versions of the Harry Potter books. In the first book, Chapter 2, U.K. version, Harry has to use Sellotape to hold his glasses together. Since no American child would know what Sellotape is (a popular brand in Britain), the publishers changed it to the American equivalent — "Scotch tape."
So when it comes to the second book, there's a joke that every British school child would get, but would go completely over the heads of most American readers. When Ron Weasley's wand breaks, what does he use to repair it? Spellotape!
Lee Zion.
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A few opinions and why I think them (I agree with almost everything on the thread so far though):
Dumbledore is definitely dead, but will still have some limited presence
-- He indisputably got hit by Aveda Kedavra which has no defense (with the possible exception of someone giving their life for you);
-- The immobilis spell he cast on Harry broke after he got hit, which Harry believes is because of his death;
-- His image appeared in a portrait in the headmaster's (now the headmistress') office, although he was sleeping.
-- As has been pointed out in other threads at much greater length, his death serves an obvious but inevitable thematic and plot purpose by forcing Harry toward adulthood and independence.
-- Dumbledore will almost definitely have an "Obi-Wan Kenobe" role from his portrait.
-- Recall that in Sorecerer's/Philosoper's Stone Dumbledore told Harry in the Mirror of Eriset scene that the dead are not gone but live within us.
Sirius Black is definitely dead
-- Noone tried to look for him after the arch, even people who would have had no interest in allowing him to play dead, pointing to the generally accepted lethality of the arch;
-- It would be completely contrary to everything we know about Sirius to believe that he would not have aided.
RAB is Regulus Alphard Black
-- I think that this point has been adequately made already. Sirius had an uncle named Alphard, and those who have been to Rowling's personal site know that on the few occasions that she has accidentally used a suggestive name, she has apologized for the coincidence profusely;
-- It makes sense that Mundungus stole the real locket when he was looting 12 Grimmaud Dr. since this would integrate the entire Mundungus-in-Azkhaban subplot. Most likely Harry will start his search for the remaining Horcruxes by looking for RAB, and will thereby be led to spring Mundungus from Azkhaban.
Dumbledore wanted Snape to kill him
-- Dumbledore could not have possibly been pleading with Snape to spare him, since he knew about Snape's Unbreakable Oath, and knew that this would kill Snape.
-- Dumbledore pointedly states that Voldemorte is mistaken in believing that no fate is worse than death, in the scene where Voldemorte asks for the DADA job.
-- It works great thematically: Voldemorte is evil and sacrifices the lives of others to prolong his own life; Dumbledore is good and sacrifices his own life to prolong the lives of others. How? He allowed Snape to make his escape while keeping Harry and the others alive. Isn't it funny that the only person Snape killed was Dumbledore, despite all the opporunities he had to kill Hermione the "mudblood" when she came to warn him about the death eaters? He even cancels out the crucio curse that one of the other death-eater's casts on Harry. A lot of people pointed out that Snape shows an almost inhuman dislike of Harry when they duel and Harry tries to cast levicorpus on him and calls him a coward. I think that one of the things that makes the books interesting is that Snape clearly possesses a real loathing for Harry, primarily because of his father, but will still be redeemed. I don't expect him to survive the next book though.
So nothing much new there.
Here's a question: who do you think the next DADA teacher will be. I'm tempted to say that it will be Harry, because this will provide an obvious parallel to Voldemorte's rejection from the job. But Harry clearly needs training if he is going to face the Death Eaters and Voldemorte. What about Scrimgeour?
--Moiche
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Here's something which nobody has yet pointed out - Dumbledore knew for many years about the curse which Voldemort put on the DADA jeorb, so why did Dumbledore give Snape the job? Did he know that Snape is really just an evil git, but this was the best way to get rid of him? Did Snape need an excuse to get out of the school without alerting Voldemort himself?
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=giggles=
Sellotape, spellotape....
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I just thought of another small thing to support the wild theory of Dumbledore's not being dead. Remember in Goblet of Fire that Moody said you have to really mean it for the Avada Kedavra curse to work. Well, Snape could have cast the spell without the desire to kill Dumbledore and to everyone watching it wouldn't look any different.
I think thats a good point. After all, when it was cast on Cedric Diggory, he didnt go flying, and neither did Harry's mum, so why did it with dumbledore?
My thinking is, without enough backing behind it it just has a similar effect as stupefy or expelliarmus, which just sent him flying.
Also, it would make sense that he feigned death to svae both snape and Malfoy. If snape intended to kill him, but didnt WANT to, his believing that Dumbledore was dead may have been enough to fulfill the vow.
I also have the sneaking suspicion that Dumbledore will be horucrux hunting as well, just not with Harry and Co.
Also, i hated the whole H+G thing. There was no inkling of intrest in Ginny from harry until this book, and then hes freaking batshit for her. It seemed near the end, Rowling thought, "Bah, that was stupid, fuck it" and just broke it off. And for some reason i always saw Ginny as so much younger and less mature than harry even though they were only a year apart.
AND HERMIONE AND RON STILL HAVENT HOOKED UP! ZOMG!
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AND HERMIONE AND RON STILL HAVENT HOOKED UP! ZOMG!
Quoted for emphasis.
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i always thought harry and ginny was obvious from the second they announced she had a crush on him
plus they look like miniature versions of his parents (in the movies at least)
plus i think ron and hermione have had the unspoken agreement to hook up since viktor left town
at least they seemed to have some kind of understanding about it during book five
i figure in book six, ron is just being stupid with lavender and hasn't realized that resistance is futile. i mean, he's been acting like a jealous little twit about hermione since book four.
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i always thought harry and ginny was obvious from the second they announced she had a crush on him
plus they look like miniature versions of his parents (in the movies at least)
Hooray for creeping me out more about it!
Sorry, but if me and my girlfriend looked like young versions of my parents that would scare me on so many levels.
Plus, everyone knew she liked him at one point, but she had pretty much no obvious interest in books 4 and 5, as she had Dean and other boys.
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i don't know...there's always the old adages about boys wanting a girl just like dear old mom, and girls marrying men just like their fathers, etc.
it just seemed like a good symmetry within the books, and using basic stereotypes about how boys and girls behave, it made a lot of sense that their relationship went down the way it did. you know, girls playing hard to get, boys' perfect girls sitting under their noses the entire time...
and i think that as people get older, being like their parents isn't as offensive as it seems when growing up.
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Here's something which nobody has yet pointed out - Dumbledore knew for many years about the curse which Voldemort put on the DADA jeorb, so why did Dumbledore give Snape the job? Did he know that Snape is really just an evil git, but this was the best way to get rid of him? Did Snape need an excuse to get out of the school without alerting Voldemort himself?
What I'd like to know is the following:
1) Voldemort opened the Chamber of Secrets 50 years before Harry's second year at school. AND...
2) He was in his fifth year at the time. So he graduated 48 years before Harry's second year, or 47 years before Harry's arrival. AND...
3) He went to work soon after at Borgin & Burke's. He must have held that post for about two years in order to rise from clerk to buyer, and to get that close to Hepzibah. So he stole the locket 45 years before Harry's arrival at Hogwarts. AND...
4) Dumbledore said that 10 years elapsed between his disappearance from Borgin & Burke's and his return to Hogwarts. And the curse on the DADA position began on that day. SO...
That's 35 years between the time the curse begins and the time Harry begins taking Dark Arts lessons from Quirrel. Where on Earth did Dumbledore find 35 teachers in that entire time span? Wouldn't word get out that the position was really, REALLY, REALLY jinxed? How many other teachers ended up dead, with addled brains or exposed as undesirables in the 35 years before Harry showed up?
Also, I think that it is theoretically possible that Harry will be the next Defense of the Dark Arts teacher. Yes, he has vowed that he won't go back to Hogwarts. But since the board may be pushing to close the school, and parents are worried about the safety of their kids with Dumbledore gone, the only thing that will appease everyone is if the Dark Arts position is offered to The Chosen One.
Harry might bend to McGonagall's persuasion if the position gives him special dispensation, such as unfettered access to Dumbledore's portrait and permission to Apparate anywhere to pursue the Horcruxes when he's not in class. And he already has experience teaching the position...
Working against this theory is the fact that the curse against the DADA position is still in effect. A lot of people know by now about the Harry vs. Voldemort prophesy, and putting these two facts together will ensure that placing Harry in that position will definitely set in motion the final confrontation between the two. And although we, reading the books, know that the final confrontation will take place at the end of Book 7, the characters in the books don't know that. They'd be extremely reluctant to force an early confrontation, trying to put it off as long as possible.
My thoughts, anyway.
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I bet J.K. rowling is reading this thread, just to make sure nothing we say happens.
So on that note, harry dies, voldemort wins, the wizarding world stays hidden (I'm surprised nobody has considered that yet) and a weird witch with flying monkeys shows up.
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harry dies, voldemort wins, the wizarding world stays hidden (I'm surprised nobody has considered that yet) and a weird witch with flying monkeys shows up.
And their love child is .... ?
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Ron! It's a time loop!
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I bet J.K. rowling is reading this thread, just to make sure nothing we say happens.
Rowling already wrote out the whole story arc before she wrote the first book. Sure, she's adding details as she does the individual, but the thing is that she already knows how it's all going to end. Unlike Jeph.
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She is the /anti/ Jeph.
Fear her preparedness.
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Yep. If Jeph and J.K. Rowling ever shook hands, they would annihiliate one another in an explosion of PURE AWESOME.
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Yep. If Jeph and J.K. Rowling ever shook hands, they would annihiliate one another in an explosion of PURE AWESOME.
No, what would happen is they would exchange energy, and that would spill over into their respective work. So Steve would become whiny, Dora would become even more of a know-it-all than she already is when it comes to sex, and Faye would find a few interesting uses for her wand.
Rowling, meanwhile, would wonder why she's suddenly having Hermione make out with the DJ at the lesbian club in Hogsmeade, while Ron and Harry are listening to The Warlock Sisters. And Neville would suddenly have a laser in his tummy.
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LeeZion wins the thread.
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LeeZion wins the thread.
Second'd!
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Why is neville pintsize?
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Because of his round head.
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(I figured it out! With a pencil and a pad I figured it out! Only five years from today, Only five years from today...)
Coolness points to the first person who figures out where the above quote comes from.
Lee Zion
From "The Pajama Game"
"...is the game we're in, and
we're proud to be in the Pajama game
we love it, we
can hardly wait to wake and
get to work at eight.
Nothin's quite the same as the pa-
ja-ama game!"
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I just finished reading it this morning. Unfortunately I already figured dumbledore would be the one to die...since they have a bad habit of putting characters that DIE on the covers of the books.
The only part of the story that really made me think "oh, weaaaak" was the whole H&G for two chapters then *poof* over.
PoA will always be my favorite, since 1) It was the first one I'd recieved (christmas present just after it came out)and therefore read. I started out of order *shame* and 2) It's teh book in the series where you start to think maybe it'snot entirely a kid's book. It started getting much more complex and rather...dark. If the movie had been done closer to the book, it wouldn't have been able to get the "PG" rating it got. HBP cerainly wont...blood gushing from people, lakes of zombies, snogging...
Sorry, couldn't resist.
My three favorite characters were always Sirius, Dumbledore, and Lupin. If Lupin dies in the next book I'ma be pissed.
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I was struck by a peculier idea when i thought of how Harry would return to HW after his intent is *not* to. It thought: what if hes forced into attacking hogwarts. Final battle with an entrenched VM sort of thing. It makes the most sence as a Final Battlefield and keeps hogwarts in the picture.
At least it sounds better then some of the more crazy ideas i had *coughdursleyscough*
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what if hes forced into attacking hogwarts. Final battle with an entrenched VM sort of thing. It makes the most sence as a Final Battlefield and keeps hogwarts in the picture.
Actually, it makes more sense if Harry is forced to defend Hogwarts.
Oh, and The CourtJester does get the coolness points for figuring out that the quote came from the Broadway musical The Pajama Game.
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i meant attacking as in the absence of Dumbeleedor emboldens the death eaters to the point of taking over Hogwarts. like a hostage situation and Potter to the rescue. Attacking the DE who now control the school. meh just a thought.
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i don't know...there's always the old adages about boys wanting a girl just like dear old mom, and girls marrying men just like their fathers, etc.
Sounds so much like incest im totally grossed out...
And for another flashback on the Avada Kedavra, Moody also said their had to be a great deal of power behind the persons wand... Iv never thaught of Snape as powerful, since he mostly uses his wits and his mind to fight. Dumbledore might have petrified Harry so he wouldn't attack Snape or Draco. Dumbledore said he already knew that Draco was trying to kill him so wouldn't he have put measures up that would prevent that? Theirs no doubt that he is gone, but couldn't he come back? Since so many people wouldn't be able to let him go he couldn't cross over or anything...
Iv been all over J.K's web site and I found out a few things that are really cool... Dija know that the bartender at the hogs head is Dumbledores brother? Really wierd...
and I wonder where Fontescue and Olivander went...
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I just finished it, and was disappointed. i read 5 and 6 consecutively, and i didin't much like either of them. though i couldn't put it down. damnit, i suck.
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I think harry knocked up ginny. voldemort tries to kill Harry Jr, ginny steps in and gets owned.
Then harry and Voldemort have a hardcore 4 chapter death match where they use every spell ever mentioned. When its all said and done, they'll both be exhausted. They'll look at each other and harry will say "what are we fighting for?!"... Voldemort reveals that he has in fact had a crush on Ginny and couldnt stand the fact that harry knocked her up. they embrace and go to the three broomsticks for a couple fire whiskeys. Voldemort slips a love potion in harrys drink when he's going to the jukebox to play some johnny cash. They fall in love and live happily ever after.
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...I'm tempted both to award you for creativity and disturbingness and to damn you to hell for implying a happy ending. (no pun intended.)
There's been a lot of talk about snape's being all good and stuff, but did anyone ever think that just maybe he really is just an ass?
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I'm leaning toward the fact that he is just a sperm dumpster. But it that would probably throw EVERYONE for a loop if it turned out to be the exact opposite.
Like if snape killed voldemort right before he finished harry off.
Think about it. Harry and he who shall not be named are having a hardcore death spell match. Snape walks in and just owns both of them. Snape then says that he tried to save harry but It was too late. Then snape becomes minister of magic, and releases a hardcore potion into the water supply VIA microwave transmition and everyone dies.
And snape just chills in the wizarding world all alone. All emo like.
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No, snape destroys the magic legal system and brings wizarding into the world of the muggles. Soon lots of people who werent really wizards are burned at the stake, and then the world gets a lot better cuz magical jumping frog-candies solve all problems.
That would be totally hilarious if something from fred&george's shop ended up saving the world.
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This randomly just popped into my head as my favorite harry potter moment of all time.
At the end of one of hte chapters in TOTP whenever dumbelldore escapes from the minestry and one of the paintings of the former headmasters goes
"You know...i dont agree with albus on much. BUt you gotta admit he's got style."
The only part of the series that actually made me crack up.
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No, snape destroys the magic legal system and brings wizarding into the world of the muggles. Soon lots of people who werent really wizards are burned at the stake, and then the world gets a lot better cuz magical jumping frog-candies solve all problems.
That would be totally hilarious if something from fred&george's shop ended up saving the world.
haha. Harry defeats Voldemort with a fanged frisbee.
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Or while Harry is fighting Voldy, Neville comes into the fray wearing Harry's Invis cloak and completly owns him with rictensempra: *the tickeling curse*
and Harry uses that curse he accidentaly used on Malfoy *The sword slash one* Killing him in miniouts.
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SectemSempra was the sword slash one.
also, Snape is good, he's gotta be, would Rowling pass up the chance to flop the reader all over on the snape issue more?
you know what i realized on this last one? i thinki i would like a harry potter without voldemort better. i mean, there's gotta be other shit for him to worry about. heros don't only have one bad guy, usually. and personally i'm sick of Voldy. after the next one i hope he's dead and they have someone else to worry about
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=points at Heretic's post=
Actually, I think that's a pretty good idea. Then again, it's /not/ only Voldemort they have to worry about---there are, after all, his lackeys.
That's what interested me, when we learned some of the backstory. When Voldemort fell the first time, the Death Eaters went into a bit of a frenzy of killing et cetera.
Hmmm...and I wonder about Grindelwald? Is he /dead/? Aside from a passing mention on a chocolate frog card, it never said what became of him after he was 'defeated'.
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i've always enjoyed the times that had nothing to do with th ecentral conflict infinatly moer than the actual mystery solving and whatnot.
the backstory was cool, but having it in pieces really disrupted the flow of the book for me. then transition just did feel good.
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Personally I think they both are gonna die in the next one.
Or Harry kills voldemort. I just dont see voldemort killing harry.
Maybe if harry kills Voldemort, his scar will go away?
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Yeah, I can't see the series ending with "PREPARE FOR THE APOCALYPSE FOR THE DARK LORD IS UNSTOPPABLE RAAAR".
Oh, I read the book; my parents sent it up a couple of days after it came out. I was pretty sad that Dumbledore died, and I don't quite see the previously discussed Obi-Wan connection since there's a major difference: Obi-Wan promised that it would make him stronger, while Dumbledore merely pleaded for his life.
And Snape is a turd-face.
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Dumbledore did /not/ plead for his life!
Okay, so all the evidence points at it, but I just don't think he would, after all that preaching he did.
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i was re-reading chamber of secrets the other day and i got to the end where dumbledore says that voldemort left some of his powers in harry when he tried to kill him
so i think harry is one of the horcruxes and harry's going to have to nobly sacrifice himself like arnold schwarzeneggar in T2, lowering himself into a cauldron of liquid metal, with ginny and hermione and ron crying on the sidelines, all of them looking buff like linda hamilton.
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I don't disagree that Harry might be a horcrux, but I think it happened in OOTP, when Voldemort went /into/ him, remember that?
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maybe harry *used* to be a horcrux, and when voldemort went into harry in #5, he took his soul bits back out.
it would explain why harry doesn't have some freaky-ass emotional bond with him anymore (occlumens and legilimens theories be damned)
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I still wanna know why dumbledore had that 'oddly triumphant' gleam in his eye when harry told 'im that Voldemort had taken his blood.
How is /that/ significant?
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maybe it's just the spark of humanity voldemort will need to turn into a force for the good at the end of the series. sort of like a darth vader-redemption thingy.
or maybe harry isn't really the child of james and lily after all. maybe harry is like dawn in buffy and he's the physical manifestation of some wicked ass energy ball that can be used as a key to unlock the hells and loose them on earth.
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=laughs= That would be AWESOME.
Or, we could turn it into a soap-opera. Like, maybe, Lil had an affair with Snape, and even though he looks like James, Harry is /really/ a mini-slimeball, and in a fit of realization and righteous rage, blows all the bad guys to smithereens, crying like a two-year-old the whole time.
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my friend hannah and i used to make up off-color scenarios about the professors love lives while we rode the bus to work.
we had a dumbledore-pomfrey-flitwick love triangle, and trelawney with lockhart (purely for irony's sake, what with the ill-fated thompson/branaugh marriage and all)
i've been poking around some potter fan sites. man do those people take their harry potter seriously.
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Just finished it. And firstly, le wow. I can't wait for the next one, and at the same time dread it as then it will finally be over which will suck.
A couple of points, that I don't think have really been mentioned before.
1) People keep referring to hogwarts next year and the DADA position. Am i the only one who got a reallfeeling of "readying for war" from the final book? Esecially from the final pages. I really see the next book as the call to arms of wizards, where the dark clouds swirl up above as everyone prepares for one BADASS fight. If it was an hollywood film, it would have a rousing speech by someone followed by a quick montage of wizards grabbing weapons from racks and getting armoured up with Eye of the tiger playing in the background.
I certainly don't see Harry returning to Hogwarts. I got the impression it would be a frodo-style mission across mountains, oceans etc.
2) I'm sure i remember reading somewhere that Rowling said the final book is where the Wizarding world and Muggle world collide. The foundation's where laid at the beginning of Half Blood Prince, and I see it as a very natual progression, if we're to assume that this reign of Voldemort will be even worse than the first.
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Yeah, Harry says he isn't returning to Hogwarts. He might, briefly, to rouse some kind of army, but I see the entire final book as being, basically, a war. Or a quest. Maybe a war-quest.
Was anyone else a wee bit suprised that Harry tried to use Unforgivable Curses on Snape, by the way?
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Yeah. I think if they go to war, harry is gonna prove he's the chosen one. He's gonna give like a 10 minute long kevin costner speech, and then everyones gonna rally around him and fight all the death eaters and whatnot.
I cant wait to see Hagrid and Grawp wreck shop if they fight the giants.
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How did Hermione/Ron and the rest of the D.A (err luna, ginny and neville) messed up the night Dumbledore died?
They couldn't go wrong and yet everything went wrong that night (except for the lucky spell/hex dodging)
So Snape HAD to kill Dumbledore, it was meant to be that way i guess.
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also in support of the snape is good: theres a part earlier in THBP where hagrid overhears Dumbledore and Snape arguing and Dumbledore tels snape that e promised. You could interpret this as a snippet of a snape confessing to dumbledore about the unbreakable vow(promise). And dumbledores angry cuz he wants snape to kill him and snape dosnt ant to and blah blah so on and so forth.
*edit: Also this means that the plea in the tower was for snape to do the killin and giving malfoy a chance at redemtion
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But even if Snape is good....whos going to convince harry?
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Who knows. I would rather see him snuff it thou. Or if not, an act of redemption on the convince dumbledore scale
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>>This randomly just popped into my head as my favorite harry potter moment of all time.
At the end of one of hte chapters in TOTP whenever dumbelldore escapes from the minestry and one of the paintings of the former headmasters goes
"You know...i dont agree with albus on much. BUt you gotta admit he's got style."
The only part of the series that actually made me crack up.<<
There were several that made me laugh out loud. the Ton-Tongue Toffee in the fourth book (and the entire scene that led up to it) and the whole bit with the rogue fireworks in the fifth book stood out. When I read that, i said out loud, "Fred and George have outdone themselves."
>>Hmmm...and I wonder about Grindelwald? Is he /dead/? Aside from a passing mention on a chocolate frog card, it never said what became of him after he was 'defeated'.<<
What I enjoyed about that bit in the first book is that Dumbledore defeats an evil wizard with a German name in 1945. Rowling implies, without saying outright, that British wizards were working side-by-side with the Allies, in secret, defeating the evil wizards who aligned themselves with the Axis.
As to whether Grindelwald is truly dead, my guess is what happened is Grindelwald was defeated 50 years ago (in Harry Potter time) and the young Voldemort began his rise to power 50 years ago. So Voldy sought out the remnants of Grindelwad's army in his rise to power.
>>Oh, I read the book; my parents sent it up a couple of days after it came out. I was pretty sad that Dumbledore died, and I don't quite see the previously discussed Obi-Wan connection since there's a major difference: Obi-Wan promised that it would make him stronger, while Dumbledore merely pleaded for his life.
And Snape is a turd-face.<<
<<Dumbledore did /not/ plead for his life!
Okay, so all the evidence points at it, but I just don't think he would, after all that preaching he did.>>
There is an excellent Web site called DumbledoreIsNotDead.com, which goes through all the points raised in The Half-Blood Prince, precept by precept, line by line. It is entirely possible that Dumbledore wasn't pleading for his life — he was instead pleading with Snape to carry out what he had promised to do.
>>i was re-reading chamber of secrets the other day and i got to the ned where dumbledore says that voldemort left some of his powers in harry when he tired to kill him
so i think harry is one of the horcruxes and harry's going to have to nobly sacrifice himself like arnold schwarzeneggar in T2, lowering himself into a cauldron of liquid metal, with ginny and hermione and ron crying on the sidelines, all of them looking buff like linda hamilton.<<
Harry is not the Horcrux, for several reasons already discussed in this forum, chief among them that if Voldemort wanted to assure his own immortality, he would not put part of his own soul into something that was mortal, and especially someone he wanted to kill.
>>Am i the only one who got a reallfeeling of "readying for war" from the final book? Esecially from the final pages. ... I certainly don't see Harry returning to Hogwarts. I got the impression it would be a frodo-style mission across mountains, oceans etc.<<
My guess is Harry will go back to Hogwarts guess is Harry will be the next Dark Arts teacher. With the teachers afraid the school will be closed, and with the parents afraid ofhat will happen to their children with Dumbledore gone, the teachers will seize on The Chosen One, and practically beg Harry to take the position. If anyone can break the longstanding Dark Arts curse, it's Harry.
In his free time, he'll be allowed to Apparate all over the countryside in search of the remaining Horcruxes, Ron and Hermione at his side. Harry won't have to frodo himself over mountains if he can zap himself there instantaneously.
>>Was anyone else a wee bit suprised that Harry tried to use Unforgivable Curses on Snape, by the way?<<
No. He tried Crucio on Bellatrix LeStrange in the previous book, and that was truly surprising.
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Cut it out with the ">>", it makes your post absolutely unreadable.
I've got another chapter to go, but my reflections on the book so far. Good, but it moved through the year a lot faster than the others, it didn't seem as well paced, and I just didn't immerse myself in it like the rest.
The Ginny-Harry thing was kind of out of nowhere, like she had decided to put Hermoine-Ron together and then realized she'd no available love interest for Harry. Still, that was probably the part of the book that (sadly) interested me the most, it by far was more interesting then the overall plot. Plus, well, I've got to root for the redhead :-).
The Snape thing seemed like a cop out too. I know they're children's books, but that seems overly simplistic. Why have him turn after all this time, and why would Dumbledore give him the Dark Arts position, which he knows is hexed so that no one can hold it for more than a year for whatever reason. I feel like their has to be a feint within a feint within a feint here, and that there is something more going on with Snape.
The book could have benefited from another six months to a year of gestation. Also, there are typos that slipped past the editor!
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There are more and more typos in new books these days. Editing and proof-reading are dying arts.
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(LeeZion) Cut it out with the ">>", it makes your post absolutely unreadable.
Seconded. I KNOW you know how to use quote tags dude, because you just used colour tags. Make your posts easier to read, please.
Anyway the purpose of posting on this thread in the first place was to actuall draw your attention to Urban Dictionary's entry for "Ronald Weasley"y
'tis genuinely bizarre. Entertaining, yet bizarre.
I have not recently re-read the book, so I don've have anything more useful to impart, sadly.
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(LeeZion) Cut it out with the ">>", it makes your post absolutely unreadable.
Seconded. I KNOW you know how to use quote tags dude, because you just used colour tags. Make your posts easier to read, please.
Yes, I do know how to use the quote things, because someone was kind enough to teach me. I resurrected the >> thing for this post, and this post only, reason being that I couldn't figure out how to do multiple quote boxes from multiple sources.
Henceforth, I'll go back to the quote boxes. If I find myself in a similar situation, next time I'll put in psychedelic colors to distinguish quoted text if it makes you happy. But I swear, putting a >> in does not make text unreadable. How can all you young people put up with a : - ( and a <3 but find a >> beyond the pale?
And now, back to our regularly scheduled discussion of Harry Potter. Apropos of scenes from the book that made me laugh out loud, I just came across another one while rereading OoTP. Fred and George mention that the downside of one of their potions is they've broken out in boils. When Ron says he never saw boils on them, they respond that (1) the boils are not necessarily in a place where people see, and (2) it makes sitting on a broom a pain in the ...
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Harry and Ginny had better be together in the end.
Fucker. That was weak.
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One of my fav lines from OotP was
"Give her hell from us, Peeves."
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Personally, I think Dumbledore really is dead. It's just the sort of thing Rowling would do to truly make the war against Voldemort scary and not so sure. I also think Snape really is still good, and Dumbledore was pleading for Snape to go ahead and fulfill his promise to Dumbledore.
I am curious, how many people reading the book actually hate Snape? For me, he's always been one of my favorite characters, and I've noticed a lot of people saying they like his bad goodness.
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Ive always liked Snape. Hes so ambigous(sp?). Hes got so many sides to him personality-wise and I have to say hes the only thing I liked in the movies.
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i like snape, but i hate how harry interacts with him. it's sitcom-type bullshit, i mean, after he saw snape's memory, he should have gone to him with new understanding and talked to him, it's that kind of shit sitcoms do where they avoid the one conversation that could fix the whole situation, the trick is to write in a conflict that doesn't have this type of possible conversation, or some reason they can't have said conversation.
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I would argue that the big "sort-everything-out conversation" is as much a convention as the "frustrating-lack-of-sort-everything-out conversation". I think JK has given both enough backstory and history that it's rational for them not to kiss and make up. Even if the original reason for dislike is gone, enough has passed that they can't just make up.
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that's what i just said, i didn't mean the make-everything-better conversation is bad, i meant when it is obvious what to say and they just don't.
but that wrap up conversaion is pretty annoying too.
like i've said before, she's a good storyteller, shitty writer
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Well, Alan Rickman is perfect as snape. I think the sitcom-type BS is mostly on Snape's end, he hated Harry's father.
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with good cause, remember how harry's father treated him? after harry saw that he could have gone to snape and said "now i understand why you hated my father, he was a bully and treated you terribly, but i'm not my father, i'm not like him." and the healing could begin. personally, i don't like harry. not much at all. i read the book smore for the world JK created, not the characters or the good Vs. Evil conflict.
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i think you're oversimplifying the conflict between harry and professor snape. on snape's end, he hates harry because of the crap harry's father and friends did to him, which is ridiculous, because harry's the kid. plus snape obviously has some evil in him, to have joined the death eaters in earnest initially.
then there's harry, who has this adult, this professor, who has been spitefully mean to him without cause for four plus years before harry finds out what his father did to snape, and even if harry was inclined to mend the fences, snape was so busy goading sirius into doing something stupid (like going to the ministry of magic and getting killed) that it wouldn't surprise me a bit if harry blamed him for his godfather's death.
also, book five's version of harry is, i think, a relatively truthful representation of what a teenager going through puberty is like. there's no rhyme or reason to the emotional and physical changes; harry's acting like a typical irrational snot-nosed teenager.
i found it a little unbelievable that harry would have settled down the way he did in book six - for the most part, he was acting in a much more mature and adult fashion, especially in comparison to book five.
and now that snape has killed dumbledore and fled without any explanation, there doesn't seem to be any reason for harry to think about reconciling with him. after all, snape has been associated with those responsible for his parents' murders, and has now committed murder himself.
if i were harry, i'd probably unconditionally loathe professor snape too.