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Fun Stuff => BAND => Topic started by: tastick on 03 Sep 2005, 16:04
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Contrary to popular belief, there's good music in today's mainstream. Why people choose to whine about it is beyond me, because believe it or not music can be good if other people have heard of it.
What are your favorite "mainstream" bands?
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People complain because most mainstream music really is horrible.
Hmmmmm, I guess you can call Radiohead mainstream, and I am ok with them. They also seem to have made Modest Mouse quite popular, as well as The Arcade Fire, both of whom are great. Also, if The Cat Empire are big in Australia (as I've heard, from a fellow American though, so that may be false), then they are one too.
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But people tend to hate on great bands for the sole reason that they're well-known.
Sure, a lot of it's horrible, but a lot of it's great too. I'm just saying people have gotta have open minds.
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I've never had a full album of Eminem, but a few of his songs that I have heard on radio I've really liked.
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System of a Down, Eminem's first album, Muse and (some)Weezer. It's all good stuff.
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I've never had a full album of Eminem, but a few of his songs that I have heard on radio I've really liked.
Some of my best memories are of my cousin and I hiding The Eminem Show from my mother. Good times. :D
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TITULAR OXYMORON ALERT.
TITULAR OXYMORON ALERT.
The Murderdolls
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The Beatles, The Stones, Bob Dylan, Jimi Hendrix. Blink 182, Avril Lavigne Green Day.
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Something Corporate and Metallica
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The Red Hot Chilli Peppers
Queens of the Stone Age
The Gorillaz
You're not a true rocker unless you can headbang to the 52nd Street album by Billy Joel
I liked Audioslave's first album. Second one, not so much
Modest Mouse is mainstream now, right?
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Thumbs up to Micolithe.
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Modest Mouse is mainstream now, right?
I liked them better before they sold out.
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^ We need more of this talk.
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Modest Mouse is mainstream now, right?
I liked them better before they sold out.
SELLOUTZ!
Come ON. Their music is so much better now that it actually has focus.
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Modest Mouse are sleepy-boring. Tbh.
The Sex Pistols are pretty mainstream, and they rocked the socks off the mainstream bands you kids listen to. The same with Iron Maiden. Up the Irons!
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I find the The Sex Pistols and The Clash overrated and boring.
I guess we're moderately even. O_<;
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I don't like The Clash at all. The Sex Pistols are way better. And I don't frankly give a shit about which was more punx. I don't see how you can say the pistols are boring compared to Modest Mouse though. I'm not saying bad, I'm just saying *yawn*. I can't imagine why anyone would want to see them live, for example.
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Weezer, Jack Johnson, and Interpol (They're pretty mainstream, right?) are all pretty good in my opinion.
I think some people are scared to believe that their tastes may be influenced by the masses, which might mean they have mind-sets similar to livestock.... Reminds me of this Current Events Club T-Shirt "Be heard, not herded"
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Avril Lavigne, Green Day.
On one end of that, I think Avril Lavigne is just a big punk wannabe, and not very good at it either.
On the other end, Green Day absolutely rocks. They managed to make it into the mainstream without altering their style, which is quite an accomplishment.
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Shit, so many.
Arcade Fire
Gorillaz
Franz Ferdinand
AFI
The Clash
Modest Mouse
Green Day
Interpol
The Weez
Coheed and Cambria (Listening to A Favor House Atlantic right now)
many others I'm too lazy to write.
Not all mainstream is shit.
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What's with all this hating on the Clash? They're a terrific band! So what if they weren't real punks?! There's no way to be a real punk and be in a succesful band.
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Nirvana
Smashing Pumpkins/APC/Tool
Rage Against the Machine
I think everything else I coulda thunk up has been mentioned...
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Come ON. [Modest Mouse's] music is so much better now that it actually has focus.
No, buddy, their music was better when it was experimental and epic. Anyone can play what they play now, but their older stuff has a really unique sound, one of the best I've ever heard.
Also, The Clash are Awesome. The Sex Pistols not so much.
AND AVRIL IS NOT A WANNABE PUNK LUKE! SHE IS JUST MISUNDERSTOOD
EDIT: See post below and take note.
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Missy Elliott and Kanye West.
Also: Things that make me angry
-The current American administration
-Being mauled by sad puppies
-Quote tunnels
Just thought I'd let you know.
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No. The Residents are experimental. Zappa was experimental. Beefheart was experimental. Praxis was experimental. Modest Mouse? Not so much. And yes, including The Moon and Antartica.
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What's with all this hating on the Clash? They're a terrific band! So what if they weren't real punks?! There's no way to be a real punk and be in a succesful band.
I honestly don't care about the "punk enough" argument. I just don't plain like them. The same with the Sex Pistols. I'm too young for it, I guess. I understand what effect the group had on the young teenagers when they first came out, but I just think they sound boring.
I guess I just don't relate as much to classic rock unless it's something that people don't talk about all of the time. Television and Richard Hell/The Voidoids are very undername-dropped, in my opinion, and sound a lot more dynamic than anything the Sex Pistols or other simmilar bands put out, I feel.
Again, just me.
As for Modest Mouse, I love them; I think that their earlier stuff is great, but they were just too loose, IMO. I don't recall that much from their earlier period compared to The Moon and Good News.
Besides, if you really want to make the "sold out" argument, at least keep in mind that once they signed to a major label for The Moon, they "sold out". Just because it didn't get them "OMG populere" doesn't mean it's not valid. Look at the Jawbox move.
Hey...what was this topic about again? XP
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No, no. My comment meant that, to me anyway, the Clash are kind of a boring old rock band really. Outdated and uninteresting, and whenever I say this, someone always falls back on an argument about how influential they were, or how they were more punk than the Sex Pistols, or something.
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AVRIL IS NOT A WANNABE PUNK LUKE! SHE IS JUST MISUNDERSTOOD
Actually, you can take pretty much any popular figure and call them "misunderstood." For instance, Britney Spears is misunderstood by the fans that think she's a good singer...
Kanye West.
Yes.
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I think any band who has sold a cd, merchandise etc. are selloutz ;)
mainstream...hmm...
RHCP
Radiohead
Queen
Kashmir(mainstream in Denmark)
Tina Dickow
Kent
APC
Tool
Björk
Blur
etc.
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I don't listen to it unless it comes from a very limited printing (25-500) from a recording studio atop a Very Very Very Very Very Forsaken Crest Of The Northern Mountain.
The more avant garde, the better. I WANT THE INSTRUMENTS TO BE CONTRUCTED FROM GOAT'S CARCASSES.
That said, uh I dunno, I didn't mind that new Gorillaz single.
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-Gorillaz
-System of a Down
-APC/Tool*
-Bad Religion*
-Pennywise*
-Cake has some pretty decent chillin music
-I'm sure I'm gonna catch crap for this...but I've thought Evanescence was alright at times. Catch is, I think Amy has a great voice and the band does some neat stuff...but them together = not so good. Someone say they at least understand what I mean...
-Flogging Molly
-Green Day
-The Shins*
-Jack Johnson (only certain songs though...more chillin music)
-Josh Groban
-Less Than Jake*
-Lit
-Motion City Soundtrack*
-The Police/Sting (FUCKINAWESOMEOK?)
-RHCP (sure maybe they don't get high as much, but they're sound is so much...well...better)
-Seal
-Simon and Garfunkel/Paul Simon
-Social Distortion*
-Sublime
-Sum 41 (only the "chuck" album...give it a try...it's a completely different band from the previous albums...especially "No Reason," "We're All to Blame" and "88")
- Another one I may catch crap for...I firmly believe 98 degrees was a highly talented group. It was still boy band pop...but I had actually head them live...it took ages to drag me to it but I was disturbed and surprised...they were actually singing and doing it extremely well. Listen to their recording of "Ave Maria" ... that shit is HARD to sing but it's one of my favorite versions of that song to date.
* means I'm not really sure if it's mainstream or not...I just listen to what appeals to my ears (hard concept to grasp for some). I'm generally not "in touch" with what's popular or not.
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Alright people, I'm not listing the classics because they're listened to by EVERYONE.
Jet
Reel Big Fish (I think they count.)
Weezer
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TheCourtJester has the best list and avatar so far. XP
So I don't have to feel guilty for liking Motion City Soundtrack? :D
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I hate the whole mainstream/not mainstream idea, I must say. There's hardly any telling if there's any line, if there's any line to begin with. Everything's music, there's good and there's bad, and that's all I need. In fact, I'm way more uncomfortable with bands desperately trying not to be mainstream, than bands that don't care either way, and just make music.
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Some people just find a very accessibe sound and message, and some people get listened to in the mainstream because they used to front No Doubt. *shudder*
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No. The Residents are experimental. Zappa was experimental. Beefheart was experimental. Praxis was experimental. Modest Mouse? Not so much. And yes, including The Moon and Antartica.
This is why I love you.
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Jimmy Buffet.
Modest Mouse. In their defence, I read in an interview with Isaac Brock that they did a lot less drugs while making "Good News" than their other albums. Hence its more mainstream sound.
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I'm not sure what's considered mainstream (like many of you), so I'm just going to say what is popular in Canada, among others that are just internationally popular.
Missy Elliott and Kanye West.
-Weezer
-Metric
-Death Cab For Cutie
-The Beatles
-Broken Socialm Scene (they're played on the radio here I've heard)
-Alexisonfire (first album)
-Incubus
-Interpol (kinda)
-The Cure
-Moby
-Snow Patrol
-The Hives
-The Vines
-Radiohead
-Red Hot Chili Peppers
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Snow Patrol?
eeeeeuw
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That I just don't understand, Snow Patrol is duller than Coldplay and U2 together, that's a lot of dull!
No wonder they were bajonetted over here(a online mag called Gaffa hates their guts, especially that Lightbody fellow and his Reindeer Section)
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The more avant garde, the better. I WANT THE INSTRUMENTS TO BE CONTRUCTED FROM GOAT'S CARCASSES.
Feh, goats are for wusses. Unless you involve a tiger or a bear or a giant squid somehow, it's totally not underground enough.
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Modest Mouse. In their defence, I read in an interview with Isaac Brock that they did a lot less drugs while making "Good News" than their other albums. Hence its more mainstream sound.
Modest Mouse isn't experimental. Also, Isaac Brock is a twat. I was reading (oh shit, shame shame shame) some interview with him in Spin (I was bored and it was on my friend's floor) and he was dissing on VIvisectVI by Skinny Puppy. Like, hardcore dissing. Yeah, okay, we get it, you don't like Industrial. Alright. Cool. You're still a talentless asshole who plays stereotypical shit music.
I really don't get the whole Modest Mouse worship thing.
As for modern good mainstream, At the Drive In was mainstream on their last album, and that was a damned classy album. Hot Hot Heat is mainstream. Arcade Fire, mainstream. Etc. There's plenty of good mainstream, but there's also plenty of talentless twats out there, too, such as Coldplay, Weezer, U2, every nu-metal band out there, etc. There are also plenty of generally inoffensive bands that just aren't great but also aren't so miserable they make Baby Kali want to cry. They're not good in any stretch of the word, but are consistently listenable, which I suppose is admirable if you like that sort of thing (I prefer my music to be inspired, but that's just me).
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the sad thing is that U2 used to be decent, not fantastic but good :|
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SUNNDDAYYY BLOODDDY SUNNNDAAAAYYY.
Love that song.
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Yeah.
SELLOUTZ!!!
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the best rendition of that song is in the Rattle & Hum movie when they perform it at the time of the second Bloody Sunday and Bono gets really emotional. It's great.
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I think it's absolutely hilarious that most of you refer to The Arcade Fire as mainstream. Despite the fact they have been featured in Rolling Stone and various other mainstream medias, if you ask 95% of America if they've heard of the Arcade Fire, you're bound to get a resounding "No".
I think the original poster's intention was focused more on artists that are truly mainstream, like Eminem, Avril Lavigne, John Mayer, etc.
Obviously, among the indie community, The Arcade Fire are notorious. You'd be a fool for not knowing about them, regardless of your like or dislike for the band. It's easy to lose sight of how far steeped you are an indie culture when you constantly surround yourself by it.
Ask a "mainstream" friend if they've heard of half the bands you think are insanely popular in the indie scene and I'll bet they give you a nice, blank stare.
That said, one of my favorite bands of all time is the Smashing Pumpkins.
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Arcade Fire is playing arenas and are on MTV. I'd consider that mainstream, yeah?
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I hate the whole mainstream/not mainstream idea, I must say. There's hardly any telling if there's any line, if there's any line to begin with. Everything's music, there's good and there's bad, and that's all I need. In fact, I'm way more uncomfortable with bands desperately trying not to be mainstream, than bands that don't care either way, and just make music.
Words to live by.
And I love Snow Patrol, seen them three times now and enjoyed every single concert...best was when they were supported by Keane, that was great!
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I've seen two of their videos on MTVU (MTV University)...
And as far as I'm aware, they're still playing theatres and clubs. I know they're opening a few dates for U2, but that's the only arena I see on their tour list.
My point is, despite all the attention they seem to be getting, that doesn't necessarily ingrain them into the public conciousness the same way that a Britney Spears or even a Michelle Branch is written into mainstream knowledge. Being mainstream isn't simply being covered in a news box in a music magazine or being featured on MTV2; it's having the words to your radio hits known by the general public or having your album prominently displayed at Wal-Mart.
In that sense, I'd consider Modest Mouse marginally mainstream (as far as their popularity goes) because I know tons of people that aren't necessarily into music that are familiar with "Float On".
But that also brings up another point. I don't think that simply being popular makes an artist mainstream; that word should also be defined by a musical style. In my opinion, masintream music is bland and unoriginal, based on tried and true formulae that easily catches a large audience. Modest Mouse happened to strike a lucky (or unlucky, depending on your view) hit with "Float On". I don't think they were necessarily aiming for mainstream success, but they sure found it.
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I hate the whole mainstream/not mainstream idea, I must say. There's hardly any telling if there's any line, if there's any line to begin with. Everything's music, there's good and there's bad, and that's all I need. In fact, I'm way more uncomfortable with bands desperately trying not to be mainstream, than bands that don't care either way, and just make music.
Actually, there's no objective good and bad music either. There's no truth. There's no definite answers. There's only subjective opinions filtered through societal influences.
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There is no spoon.
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You're an idiot. I was being serious and you fucked it up with a shitty pop culture reference. Go read Rorty and come back when you're older.
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8====D
Let's try and focus, kay guys?
Anyways, Our Lady Peace is decent, and Kanye West's pretty damn good, too. There. Mainstream people who I think are good. Not hard.
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Modest Mouse. In their defence, I read in an interview with Isaac Brock that they did a lot less drugs while making "Good News" than their other albums. Hence its more mainstream sound.
Modest Mouse isn't experimental. Also, Isaac Brock is a twat. I was reading (oh shit, shame shame shame) some interview with him in Spin (I was bored and it was on my friend's floor) and he was dissing on VIvisectVI by Skinny Puppy. Like, hardcore dissing. Yeah, okay, we get it, you don't like Industrial. Alright. Cool. You're still a talentless asshole who plays stereotypical shit music.
I really don't get the whole Modest Mouse worship thing.
Wait a second. Why are we on the "Modest Mouse = or does not = experimental" debate? Only one person said they were experimental and he/she/it was already proven wrong by Kai.
Oh, and stereotypical shit music TOTALLY makes sense as an insult. Wow. Modest Mouse is SOOOOO what all of us think of when we think of shit music! No, not Britney Spears or Snow Patrol, MODEST MOUSE. Yes, THAT's the common definition of shit.
Wonderful.
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I hate the whole mainstream/not mainstream idea, I must say. There's hardly any telling if there's any line, if there's any line to begin with. Everything's music, there's good and there's bad, and that's all I need. In fact, I'm way more uncomfortable with bands desperately trying not to be mainstream, than bands that don't care either way, and just make music.
Words to live by.
And I love Snow Patrol, seen them three times now and enjoyed every single concert...best was when they were supported by Keane, that was great!
Thank you! :)
And I too think Snow Patrol is good. Definitely better than Coldplay, I fail to see where that comparison came from.
OLP is good too, but mainstream? Maybe on native soil. I've never heard them on the radio, never read about them in magazines, never saw them on tv, never saw any publicity anywhere. I don't even know anymore how I got to know them. That reminds me to put on "Spiritual Machines" again. Good stuff.
Everything is mainstream on native soil. Another reason why I'm uncomfortable with the label "mainstream".
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The media is a tool designed to mold us into slaves
Drugging us into an empty, apathetic daze.
The trick is that we think that everything is going fine
But the truth to our reality lies buried in the mind
I don't give a fuck about the Hollywood elite;
I don't really care if models can't fucking eat.
I don't give a fuck a fuck about which movie is on top.
But what I really know is that the shit has got to stop.
Consumer appetites are never satisfied in full,
Beause the objects that they buy can simply never fill the void.
A constant need for meaning, and accumulating shit,
drives the lust in their obsession just to get another fix.
I don't give a fuck about the TV ratings game,
The Real World is not a party, just a place for the insane.
If that reflects reality, then pass another drink
You try to be a millionaire, I'll vomit in the sink.
What the fuck is left to try,
on an avaricious nation on an economic high?
If Rome could last 500 years,
who then will throw the wrench inside our gears?
The bottom line is money on the Western power scene,
where celebrities and porn can let the population dream.
They're pathetic human living in an advertising glut,
who devour with a passion what the mainstream vomits up
Dying Fetus - Pissing in the Mainstream
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An expected statement from a band named "Dying Fetus."
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You're an idiot. I was being serious and you fucked it up with a shitty pop culture reference. Go read Rorty and come back when you're older.
Wow, touched a nerve there...sounds like someone needs to be put down for a nap!
Does it really matter what other people are listening to as long as they're having a good time? I mean, if we all had EXACTLY the same tastes the world would be a pretty fucking mind-numbing place.
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Does it really matter what other people are listening to as long as they're having a good time? I mean, if we all had EXACTLY the same tastes the world would be a pretty fucking mind-numbing place.
Of course it matters!
You contradict yourself; The purpose of railing against the mainstream is that homogenising taste is its goal.
Truely mainstream music (Britney, Avril et al) is the music that people like without truely knowing why or rather the music they like by default because they have no personal taste.
-- sorry for ranting --
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And I love Snow Patrol, seen them three times now and enjoyed every single concert...best was when they were supported by Keane, that was great!
You ARE joking... right?
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I liked Keane...but then my testicles dropped.
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Oh, and stereotypical shit music TOTALLY makes sense as an insult. Wow. Modest Mouse is SOOOOO what all of us think of when we think of shit music! No, not Britney Spears or Snow Patrol, MODEST MOUSE. Yes, THAT's the common definition of shit.
It makers sense as an insult because Modest Mouse is often hailed by a lot of people as some sort of music revival (like the Strokes or the White Stripes, but don't get me started on them either) when really, their music isn't anything new or special. Why do indie kids fellate them? I'm not really sure. I mean, if you're going to talk about innovation, there are much better bands out there. Thus, pointing out that Isaac Brooks writes stereotypical shit music does make sense. Pointing out that Snow Patrol or Britney Spears are shit is really just being redundant.
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I have yet to find a band that sounds like Modest Mouse. Care to point me to a band that does so that their clicheness and lack of innovation can be proven?
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I don't listen to much like Modest Mouse, but I would argue that most of the musical "innovation" is taken from various jam bands and just co-opted into a more traditional indie rock song format. Really, I don't hear anything on Moon and Antarctica that I haven't heard late at night in a stuffy college dorm room.
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Though they're from a while back I am quite into Kyuss, though sometimes the clean clear production grates on me a bit. Queens of the stoneage are good but I don't have anything by them. There are also quite a few albums that originally came out on indies but have been re-issued by majors.
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Yeah, okay, we get it, you don't like Industrial. Alright. Cool.
Switch "Industrial" with "Modest Mouse" and you get what most board members are thinking right now.
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Another to add to the list for me would be the Ramones. Sure, their music is simple, never evolved and the lyrics where almost laughable, but they're still fun.
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I want to come to the stuffy college dorm rooms that churn out songs from Moon & Antarctica. I also agree with the above poster. Unless it's you, sp2, in which case I don't. On the Modest Mouse issue. Because Modest Mouse are awesome.
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Avril is a talented girl, and I don;t think she trys to be punk, she just sort of does her own thing... but seriously. she writes her own lyrics and music. and her stuff is pretty original, gotta give her some credit.
Besides she has never called her self. a punk, punker, punk rocker, emo victim, hardcore kid yadda yadda. the media tried giving her those titles..
and AFI was only good for the first 2, maybe 3 albums....
Sex Pistols were never good.
Q. What are the Misfits named after?
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- Coldplay
- Snow Patrol
- Our Lady Peace
- Chevelle
- System of a Down
- Aerosmith
- Evanescence
- U2
- Franz Ferdinand
- Lostprophets
- Jet
- Green Day
My list. Definitely some controversial ones in there (on this forum anyway), but I don't care. I'm not arguing with anybody over any of them.
Also:
8===D
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Yaay for the majority of Luke's list above, especially Franz Ferdinand, Jet, and Evanescense
I'd like to add:
Pink Floyd
Led Zeppelin
Muse
White Stripes
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And I love Snow Patrol, seen them three times now and enjoyed every single concert...best was when they were supported by Keane, that was great!
You ARE joking... right?
I jest not, it was a very good concert! Keane remind me a great deal of A-Ha, and I think they're very good. Their music doesn't require my full devoted attention for an hour, which can be the case with other artists.
You contradict yourself; The purpose of railing against the mainstream is that homogenising taste is its goal.
S'funny...I thought the idea of most music you'd consider mainstream was to make as much money as possible? If you homogenise it, how will you appeal to multiple markets and people? Some of the stuff already mentioned in this thread is about as homogenous as oily water for a start.
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Taaaaaaaake onnnnnnnnnnn meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
TAAAAAAAAKE MEEEEEEEEEEEEE ONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
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I like Coldplay.
...
*whistles piano intro to "Clocks"*
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Taaaaaaaake onnnnnnnnnnn meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
TAAAAAAAAKE MEEEEEEEEEEEEE ONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
IIIIIIIIIII'LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL BEEEEEEEEEEEEE GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNNNNEEEEE!
*something* WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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INNN A DAAAAAAYYYYYYYYY ORRRRR *smash testicles* TWOOOOOOOOO--
*throut seizes up*
*collapses on floor*
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That song has a pimp-ass video.
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I have a soft spot for My Chemical Romance. It's pretty much the only thing that is emo/screamo which i'll even bear listening to.
I'm not that into mainstream. Although i listen to fairly mainstream indie bands. I'm not into mainstream for one reason, i have a superiority complex and i feel better about myself for liking music which other people haven't even heard of.
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Arcade Fire is playing arenas and are on MTV. I'd consider that mainstream, yeah?
Indie mainstream yes. Mainstream mainstream no.
None of the indie record stores in Perth had copies of Funeral this weekend; they were sold out. None of the mainstream chains had copies of Funeral either; they'd never heard of them.
[edit]Sorry for resurecting that, but I didn't notice the second page of the thread.
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Avril is a talented girl, and I don;t think she trys to be punk, she just sort of does her own thing... but seriously. she writes her own lyrics and music. and her stuff is pretty original, gotta give her some credit.
Besides she has never called her self. a punk, punker, punk rocker, emo victim, hardcore kid yadda yadda. the media tried giving her those titles..
and AFI was only good for the first 2, maybe 3 albums....
Sex Pistols were never good.
Sorry but that's not true. There is a website (and I'll get a link for you later then put it in this post) where she says she makes punk music and how she hasn't listened to the Sex Pistols (the only reason being that they're old). Her stuff isn't all too original, it can be pretty much labelled as an easy cross between Blink 182 and typical pop singing. My World reminds me of Nelly Furtado. If you look at the credits for the first album all the songs are co-written with someone else and 1 or 2 of them were written for her.
Sing the Sorrow and the Art of Drowning were good albums. I haven't heard much AFI stuff from before those, only a few songs but if you read through the lyrics they're good. They mix a poetic style with a lot of darkness and to be able to mix that with the melody and energy that they have is pretty good.
Where's your proof that the Sex Pistols were never good. I mean to go backwards to the previous argument that cropped up ever so slightly in this thread that they were better then the Clash... well.... NO.
The Clash's lyrics were intelligent and said something new that could make people think. The 3rd album was just a work of pure genius. It mixed styles and the fact that it has influenced loads of bands does count for something. Sandinista was a good experiment, though a couple songs on there may be a bit boring it is good and the fact that they were brave enough to try something like that is cool. Combat Rock was good too, mostly, and we'll pretend that Combat Rock was the last album but that Dictator was a B-Side or something because that song's brilliant.
http://www.thefilthandthefury.co.uk/home Proof
And if Punk was really dead then bands would have stopped playing it. As it goes, lots of bands still play it and lots of people turn up to the shows to watch them play it.
I'm really sorry, I sound like an arrogant prick and I take this stuff too seriously :(
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Q. What are the Misfits named after?
Marilyn Monroes last film.
Duh.
@Less: Because something is written on a website, especially a 404 error'd one, does not make it true. I find the Clash hugely over-rated. Maybe they inspired some good shit, but does that mean I have to like them? Worth is about which band actually sounds better, in my mind, and the Pistols ace that.
But please let's not have this argument for, what, the third or fourth time now?
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Besides she has never called her self. a punk, punker, punk rocker, emo
I saw an interview where she said
"Before I became a punk I was a surfergirl"
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Another to add to the list for me would be the Ramones. Sure, their music is simple, never evolved and the lyrics where almost laughable, but they're still fun.
SOMEBODY PUT SOMETHING IN MY DRINK!!!
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I was mulling something over earlier, and I'll use Arcade Fire as the objective piece.
Hypothetically, if everyone in the world (barring people from Anglesey) went out and bought Funeral tomorrow, went crazy on merchandising and created a five-year waiting list for gigs, and all of the music channels and stations started airing their music, would you:
a) consider them 'mainstream'?
and b) stop listening to them?
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I was mulling something over earlier, and I'll use Arcade Fire as the objective piece.
Hypothetically, if everyone in the world (barring people from Anglesey) went out and bought Funeral tomorrow, went crazy on merchandising and created a five-year waiting list for gigs, and all of the music channels and stations started airing their music, would you:
a) consider them 'mainstream'?
and b) stop listening to them?
Yes, they would be mainstream. And I would probably get sick of whatever song they constantly played on the radio, but I'd still listen to them.
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Dude, I'm WAAAAY ahead of you. I stopped listening months ago.
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Dude, I'm WAAAAY ahead of you. I stopped listening months ago.
Teach me your hipster ways.
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It's a technique called "The Arcade Fire tends to get boring after about 5 or 6 listens."
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There's no definite answers.
To say that there are no definite answers is a definite answer, yes?
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Just spent 3 hours reading amd watching avril interviews... VJs are idiots and rolling stone should just burn
first and formost, just because a person calls them self a punk, dosen't mean they make punk music.... this just came to my attention reading an interview with Corb Lund.... chances are if our not canadian or european you won't be sure who he is... basiclly he was the frontman for a band called "The Smalls" with some absoultly amzing lyrics even if the music was lacking... But anyway Corb is now making country music under his own name with the band "The Hurtin Albertans" While it is country and I can admit that not ALL country is bad (most of it is crap though) he does write some really good music, but i have a soft spot for his music being from teh same area and growing up with alot of folk/counrty. Anyway moral is. Corb said himself he is still a punk at heart I like Avril cause she a) writes her own shit b) can play an instrument and c) is proud of her heritage which is very uncommon for Canadian musicans and actors who make it big.... actually by rights I like Nelly Furtado for the same reasons... Shania Twain is a skank and needs to be beaten and Celine Dion.... I just ca';t stand her.
I was never a fan of the Sex Pistols, i just have a strange dislike for them, not a big fan of teh clash either....
And it's easy to say punk is dead.. No more Dead Kennedys, DoA is all but gone and Black Flag has left us. They don;t classify punk as punk anymore anyway....people use terms like hardcore, ska, emo, scremo etc... when i first got into the music we didn't differentate things like that. It was Just Music!!. It makes me sad. If it wasen't for Bad Religion ( new album aside, it just sounded too good :/) those of us stuck in the 80's and early 90's era of punk would have nothing left.
Although if you are into spoken word Jello Biafra (DK)and Henry Rollins (Black Flag, Rollins Band) have some great stuff!
** Note brackets inserted because for some reason people do not know who these people are**
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I really like the thought behind this thread here goes the list
Jack Johnson, Rancid, Dropkick Murphys, Led Zeppelin, Nirvana, White Stripes, Weezer, Transplants (a little bit), The Clash, Weird Al, The Vines, The Hives, Jet, U2, Suicide Machines, Sublime, The Sex Pistols, Rolling Stones, Beatles, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Outkast, Ludacris, NIN, Neptunes, Metallica, Libertines (in the UK anyways), Jurassic 5, Iced Earth, Mos Def, Gorillaz, Foo Fighters, Moby, Fatboy Slim, Cake, Bush, Beck, Ben Harper and the Innocent Victims, 311
I tried to keep it slim, since I normally have a very broad idea of mainstream. For example, I would have put Catch22, but they're only mainstream in the ska scene.
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Can an Artist escape the mainstream?
For example Blur's last few albums have recieved less and less mainstream attention, i never heard Crazy Beat on commercial radio, but are they doomed to be considered eternally mainstream because of the success of Park Life etc?
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If I ever became part of a music group that got off the ground, I'd do my best to get into the mainstream, just so I could make some money - I mean, seriously, how awesome would it be to make a crapload of money making music that you love to make? I don't see what the big deal is.
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"Mainstream" means different things to different people at different times.
If you use "mainstream" to mean not under an indie label, that is to say under Universal, EMI, Sony/Bertelsmann, or Warner, then obviously groups not run by superstars will have given up a substantial amount of creative control, have significant marketing budgets, and create primarily profit driven music (ie. music meant to appeal to as many people as possible). Music for music's sake, experiments, attempts to challenge & educate the audience -- these don't exist for pop under the big four labels, hence the need (& value) for indie.
If you use "mainstream" to refer to groups that are well-known by their particular niche audience, then it should have no impact on the quality of their music. I've heard some people make the argument that the only way an artist can do something really novel & interesting is when they don't feel the need to please their audience, hence the justification for the unknown group being best -- but I think that's complete bullshit. Indie obsession with unknown bands is either (on the good side) a pleasure taken in introducing other people to new & exciting things or (on the bad side) a need to feel special & privileged, and a pathetic rationalization for the monumental amount of time spent to listening crap bands it takes before discovering a new one before anyone else.
Finally if you use "mainstream" to refer to groups that appeal to almost everyone, regardless of niche tastes, then your using it as an epithet. Because a band that appeals to almost everyone is appealing on the lowest common denominator.
Conclusion? "Mainstream" can be good, bad, or neutral depending on the context.
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What gets me off is just that lots of people see a video on TV and/or hear a song on the radio, and immediately disown their appreciation for that artist. (See the "OMG" thread in this forum) Sure, there are instances where an artist will make music for the sole purpose of making as much money as possible - that is, changing the kind of music they make so it'll bring in the most profit. But when an artist/group simply becomes popular, I don't see the wrong in that.
Back a couple steps to the topic at hand, a couple artists I forgot to mention before (probably because they're at the other end of my music tastes) are Eminem and the people of G-Unit. G-Unit is simply good. Eminem - I'd say that 75% of his tracks are ones that you can bump to, but the other 25% of it is music that he makes based on his "I rap about whatever the hell I want to" policy. I don't have a problem with that at all; I respect his decision to do so, and besides, the other 75% of his stuff is really cool.
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^ I'd disagree on the G-Unit thing, they are most definatly bad music. Popular or not, bad music is bad music.[imo]
I'm with you when it comes to the mainstream though. So long as an artist doesn't make a concious effort to change his/her music just to get money and be more famous, I'm cool.
Death Cab for instance. Sure they're popular now, but 'Plans' is still awesome.
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[high-fives ASturge for being cool]
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I'm going to get some flak for this, but I'm not that afraid.
Gwen Stefani (Yes, solo. No, I'm straight. Bubble Pop Electric is a great song.)
Weird Al
Eminem's first record.
Chemical Bros.
The occassional Madonna song.
The White Stripes, though I heard them before they were big.
I'm sure I'll think of more later.
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I have one word for this thread: NURRRR
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Gorillaz, Kanye, Beck, Common, MM, FF.
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You know, I actually dug out College Dropout and started listening to it in my car this morning because of this thread.
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To clarify, I am defining "mainstream" as "I have heard it on the radio ever." To be fair, I don't actually listen to the radio, so anything that's filtered through to my list is pretty damn mainstream.
See:
Tool
The White Stripes
AFI
Smashing Pumpkins
Outkast
New Order
The Beatles
Placebo
David Bowie
Gorillaz
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Iron Maiden
Manowar
Modest Mouse
Rammstein
Midtown
Tool
Guns and Roses
Oasis
Pantera
Eels
Red Hot Chillipeppers
Led Zeppelin
And assorted nu-metal bands. Nothing that has rap in it, though. Mostly Disturbed's last two offerings, KoRn's non-rap stuff and some Godsmack(which is more like Grunge anyway). And really, that is totally not mainstream where I live. I have met, in total, TWO people who have ever heard OF Disturbed, only one who HEARD them.
EDIT: Missed Gorillaz
Also, to hose railing on bands because they think some dude is a dick or because that singer said something about their image of some other band: Why do you give a flying fuck? It's about the fucking music. If I like a song, I'm gonna listen to it, I don't care who made it.
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Disturbed was super-mainstream for a little while when their single "Down with the Sickness" was released. Almost everyone I know was trying to imitate the "euoo-wah-ah-ah-ah" sound that the singer makes. And, granted, I'll admit I was doing it too, but I think I was doing a heck of a better job than other people. Seriously, if you're gonna mock someone, do it right.
Um... yeah.
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Yeah, but you don't live in Holland. They're virtual unknowns here.
Also, I think Disturbed's first album, The Sickness (which Down with the Sickness was on, obviously) was only okay, and had some really bad stuff(Droppin' Plates comes to mind). The rap-like stuff and electronic bullshit going before important things like, say, guitar, is just not right.
Their second album, Believe, is pretty monotonous as a whole, but the individual songs are pretty good in my opinion. It's a lot more music driven, there's little-to-no electronic drivel thrown into it. At this point, they really even weren't Nu-metal anymore. No rap, no electronic. In fact, it seemed like they were trying to get back to old school stuff(some of it reminded me of Pantera, which is one of my favourite metal bands).
Their new album(which 'technically' isn't out yet) Ten Thousand Fists, though, has a very promising first half(Overburdened quickly became one of my favourite songs). The second half, again, is a little monotonous, and people can use the arguement 'they keep making the same song', but I always use the same arguement - I like listening to that song! Also, the guitarist finally decided 'why does Draiman get all the attention? I want to be on the forefront too! Gimme some solo space!'
Of course, no one here probably cares, 'cause I'm just another member here with a seemingly appaling music taste according to many people. No ones gonna change their opinion on Disturbed just 'cause I say so.
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At least you recognize that others' opinions aren't going to change based on what you say. Some people just don't seem to understand that.
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I used to be totally into Disturbed like, 3 years back. They were one of my top 20.
BRING THE VIOLENCE!
And I really like this one Godsmack track, 'Vampires'. Still do. None of their other stuff really though. Just that. I never really ever got into nu metal, went down a different road, I was already listening to Dimmu Borgir, Therion and Apocalyptica at that time.
Edit: Although on reviewing. 'Voodoo' is pretty cool.
I remember once basically having the biggest flamewar ever trying to defend why I liked Godsmack more than Tool on this basis.
And fucking winning.
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Almost everyone I know was trying to imitate the "euoo-wah-ah-ah-ah" sound that the singer makes. And, granted, I'll admit I was doing it too, but I think I was doing a heck of a better job than other people. Seriously, if you're gonna mock someone, do it right.
No one can make that sound like Richard Cheese (http://archives.cnn.com/2001/SHOWBIZ/Music/08/29/richard.cheese/).
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If I remember correctly, Godsmack were that terrible Alice in Chains ripoff.
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The one that wanted to be a terrible Metallica ripoff, yes.
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One that I forgot:
Tupac!
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And I really like this one Godsmack track, 'Vampires'.
I think almost everyone liked that, which would explain the Grammy they won for it.
I liked their acoustic thingy a lot too. It was damned relaxing.
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Yeah. For a band that now does music for "Join the Navy" commericals and took their name from an Alice in Chains song, their stuff is pretty good.
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They didn't, actually. At least, not according to WikiPedia.
"The name "Godsmack" did not come from an Alice in Chains song, though popular rumor deems it so. It came from the lead singer insulting one of his band mates for having a cold sore on his lip. The next time he came in for practice, he had one too. Sully Erna, the lead singer and practicing Wiccan believes in Karma, and his making fun of his band mate was the way in which he was repaid... His band mate told him that that was a "godsmack.""
I'm inclined to believe their version on the grounds of me liking to see the more fun side of life.
At least you recognize that others' opinions aren't going to change based on what you say. Some people just don't seem to understand that.
I can't stand those people. I get a lot from just about every group. Indie kids scold me for listening to nu-metal, emo kids hate me 'cause I like assorted happy sounding artists, nu-metal people can't stand me because I despise Linkin' Park, Limp Bizkit, and other frontrunners of the scene, and those death metal people want to kill me because my personal opinion is that their vocalists grate on the nerves, and preps don't understand how I can like something as old as Led Zeppelin. I guess that's what I get for just listening to whatever I find at some random spot and decide it's okay. I'm not even going to get into how much crap I get from rap-lovers.
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I'm inclined to believe their version on the grounds of me liking to see the more fun side of life.
I'm more inclined to think they're full of shit because every last one of their early songs tried incessantly to rip off Alice In Chains's song, Would. Every one fo their later songs tried to rip off Man in the Box. They clearly listened to waaaay too much AiC, and I can't believe it's a coincidence that their name is identical (sans-space) to the title of a song off an album they likely listened to obsessively.
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Oooh -- Social Distortion - Reach for the Sky. But the rest of their music gives me hives.
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I hate their singer. Sounds like that generic grundge vocalist. Seether is the same way.
Thank you, Valrus, for mentioning Richard Cheese. Anyone who can turn Down With the Sickness into a really good swing jazz song is a genius, IMO. :P
His Stairway to Heaven cover offended my friend, who got into the Zepplin thanks to me (I also got him into Modest Mouse, oddly), but not as much as the reggae version someone did. XP
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When the fuck did the Arcade Fire become mainstream?
Is it just because they were on the Six Feet Under soundtrack, or whats the deal here?
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I have one word for this thread: NURRRR
MAINSTREAM IS NEVER COOL
NURR
NURR
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When the fuck did the Arcade Fire become mainstream?
Since this, apparently
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Oh, that is canada mainstream.
Not real mainstream.
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They are played on the world famous KROQ, KAY ARE OH CUE.
That means they have blowed up.
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Okay, the Arcade Fire sorted. Now since when has Beck been mainstream?
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Since he was on Futurama and a sample of one of his songs came free with windows.
Next?
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and the fact that everybody I know has heard of Beck. (And VH1 likes to tote him as underground. yeehaw.)
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VH1 likes to tote him as underground.
This is probably one of the top criteria of judging when someone has got mainstream.
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Death From Above 1979 and Metric are getting a lot of radioplay around here.
Metric becoming well known----absolutely IMPOSSIBLE to be a bad thing
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None of those two are getting ANY play over here.
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^^ I guess we're just lucky here, then. The people over at 102.1 absolutely love Metric.
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Kaizer's Orchestra, in Norway anyway, they are a bit more obscure in Denmark. You can't go wrong with their balkan folk/sea shanties about gangsters and the devil. Quite possibly the best mainstream band there is.
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Yeah. Death From Above 1979 and Metric are totally becoming Canadian-rock mainstream. If you like rock, and you live in Canada, you gotta know those two bands. If you don't, that means you must live under a rock or an igloo of a sort. There's a lot of guys with Death from Above 1979 shirts around, they seem to be just that kind of rock band that generally appeals to 70% of the male rock population, and Metric appealing to 70% of the female rock population.
And I will be seeing Metric in octobeeer :O
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The people over at 102.1 absolutely love Metric.
Hey, I'll bet you love listening to 102.5, right? (Kidding...)
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They should win some sort of prize for smallest playlist. Its like the same 10 songs OVER AND OVER.
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The people over at 102.1 absolutely love Metric.
Hey, I'll bet you love listening to 102.5, right? (Kidding...)
=growls menacingly= Yeah, about as much as I like listening to 101.1 or 98.5. =mimes vomiting=
Oh, and you win, 'cause you're actually /familiar/ with 102.1--The Edge.
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Heh. We have a more local version of 102.5, 101.5, which is slightly better for having a bigger (and slightly less crappy) playlist, but still. It's pop station, so it's very rarely worth tuning in to. I keep my presets on 88.3 and 98.3, but I'm pretty sure none of them reach you out there, Aph. Sorry... :-(
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I quite like the tracks I've heard from Jem's album. Kinda like Beth Orton-lite.
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Oh, and you win, 'cause you're actually /familiar/ with 102.1--The Edge.
That is seriously the only good radio station that you can get in buffalo. Everything else majorly sucks. Thank god for CD players, heh.
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radiohead
i liked incubus's older albums
uhhh
green day- dookie, haven't really listened to american idiot
bloc party
interpol i guess is pretty mainstream now
death cab
you know
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=grins= I have learned most of what I know of music history from Alan Cross's History Of New Music programme sunday nights at seven and monday nights at eleven. hooray for 102.1. I /bow/ to the only good radio station within a hundred-mile radius.
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I've got to reiterate The Smashing Pumpkins.
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I quite like the tracks I've heard from Jem's album. Kinda like Beth Orton-lite.
You are a winner. And Jem makes a nice seque to my favorite "mainstream" band, well favorite band period, Dave Matthews Band. And of course David Gray.
But what do those three acts have in common? :)
-sam
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*shudder* I really, really loathe Dave Matthews. Thought he was all that in college, and then . . . he went top 40s pop.
Ummm. . . Brian Wilson hasn't been mentioned yet. Smile rocked my socks. Then I had to go buy new socks -- and it rocked those too!
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Oh come now. Before These Crowded Streets is epic, man. Epic.
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*shudder* I really, really loathe Dave Matthews. Thought he was all that in college, and then . . . he went top 40s pop.
Say what you will about the direction some of the later albums have taken (Everyday and to a lesser extent Stand Up were pretty pedestrian), but those first three albums contain some really great music. Plus they still can bring it live. Nothing gives me greater joy in life than seeing DMB doing "Two Step" live, especially as an encore. It is twenty minutes of pure awesome. mmmm, just thinking about it made me put on one from this summer(7-6-2005). :D
-sam
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Gwen Stefani!
(Kidding...)
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I realise that Canadian mainstream has been pegged as "different" here, but I heard "Reunion" by Stars on my local crappy station (Z99) that usually only plays eighties hits and music endorsed by Ryan Seacrest.
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Ben Lee.
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311
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Radiohead, The Arcade Fire, Interpol, Muse, Franz Ferdinand, Placebo, Bowie, Smashing Pumpkins.
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Tool
System of a Down
Gorillaz
Tenacious D
Bloodhound Gang
I don't know if they're considered mainstream yet, but also:
Opeth
Iced Earth
Dimmu Borgir
Richard Cheese
They Might Be Giants
Weird Al Yankovic
The Aquabats
I list these because... I really don't know what mainstream is anymore. I don't have cable tv, I only listen to public radio, and I haven't been in highschool for a few years now. I just know that me and my friends all know who these bands are and listen to them often enough.
I like 'em. Good stuff. :p
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Opeth, Dimmu, TMBG, and Weird Al are all pretty mainstream, at least for their scene; the aquabats are almost; You won't see any of the high school kids with an aquabats shirt, but whatever.
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Mainstream stuff I enjoy? Erm...
Tool/APC
O.A.R (*cough*)
Rage Against The Machine
System Of A Down
Dave Matthews Band
The Doors (come on, L.A. Woman, Roadhouse Blues and The End are absolutely amazing songs)
Led Zeppelin
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wait, what's wrong with the Doors?
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Apparently someone seems to think that there is something wrong with the Doors. *shrugs*
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I am a zombie, if MTV says I like it.. then I do.... JUST KIDDING.... Or am I....
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wait, what's wrong with the Doors?
I've never liked The Doors. But if I had to pick one thing that was wrong with them, it would be the fact that the guy from The Cult sings with them now.
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wait, what's wrong with the Doors?
I've never liked The Doors. But if I had to pick one thing that was wrong with them, it would be the fact that the guy from The Cult sings with them now.
The Door *where* awesome. As far as I'm consernerd the doors died with Jim Morison in a bath tub in paris.
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The Door *where* awesome. As far as I'm consernerd the doors died with Jim Morison in a bath tub in paris.
Quoted for emphasis.
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wait, what's wrong with the Doors?
I've never liked The Doors.
Same here, though if I had to pick something wrong with them, it would have to be, no question, the organ solo in "Light My Fire", or rather, the entire song.
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When I speak of the Doors, I am of course speaking of everything before Jim Morrison kicked the bucket. (I.E: LA Woman and before).
and their self titled is the best thing they ever did. rawk.
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I like Coldplay. I also like:
Fleetwood Mac, Pink floyd, Eric Clapton, Dire Straights, Soundgarden, Audioslave, R.E.M, Weird Al, Foo Fighters, Less than Jake, and more...
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The Doors have some great songs, but alot of their stuff screams of adolescent poetry done over repetitive sixties rock music. "Light My Fire" is completely unable to hold my attention for any significant amount of time.
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You won't see any of the high school kids with an aquabats shirt, but whatever.
Except me = )! Actually, I know quite a few fellow highschoolers who listen to the 'Bats.
Anyways, on the subject of the Doors, all "Light My Fire" really needs is a 10x faster industrial remix with one of those programs where you type text and the computer speaks them for the lyrics.
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all "Light My Fire" really needs is a 10x faster industrial remix with one of those programs where you type text and the computer speaks them for the lyrics.
Holds head, rocks back and forth.
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Well, there is the Amorphis cover...
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Anyways, on the subject of the Doors, all "Light My Fire" really needs is a 10x faster industrial remix with one of those programs where you type text and the computer speaks them for the lyrics.
*whistles*
*Kicks up FL Studio*
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Anyways, on the subject of the Doors, all "Light My Fire" really needs is a 10x faster industrial remix with one of those programs where you type text and the computer speaks them for the lyrics.
*whistles*
*Kicks up FL Studio*
Actually, I would be morbidly interested in how that came out. Just like I was curious enough to hear what Limp Bizkit's cover of Behind Blue Eyes sounded like.
...that may have been one of the worst decisions I have ever made. And I don't have much common sense in the first place.
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If you want to hear how NOT to do it, get hold of Train's cover of Light My Fire. It was never one of my favourites anyway, but that permanently ruined it for me.
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Man
It is so hard to make that song sound not the total antithesis of industrial.
I need to strip it down and go all Laibach on its ass with military drumming, I think.
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Slow the actual music down to about half tempo, and kick it down into a minor chord. Then add a heavy backbeat, somme effects and samples, and you're golden.
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I suppose I like a lot of mainstream bands, because I don't really care whether a band is mainstream or not. I listen to what I like, really. Most of the bands I like now are just outside the mainstream, fairly obscure, or were popular a long time ago, but aren't anymore, really. However, I do enjoy System of a Down, The Mars Volta, and Radiohead, who as far as I know, are all fairly popular right now.
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Slow the actual music down to about half tempo, and kick it down into a minor chord. Then add a heavy backbeat, somme effects and samples, and you're golden.
OONTZ OONTZ OONTZ OONTZ OONTZ OONTZ OONTZ OONTZ OONTZ OONTZ OONTZ OONTZ ZOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMG OONTZ OONTZ OONTZ OONTZ OONTZ OONTZ OONTZ[/I]
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6 minutes of listening to the radio, and Pink Floyd has made my list.