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Four Lions, a comedy about modern Jihadism
« on: 22 May 2010, 10:11 »

Comedy genius Chris Morris (Brass Eye, The Day Today, Jam, etc.) has bought out his first feature length film, Four Lions. It is a comedy about a group of incompetent wannabe Muhajideen from Sheffield, and their private war against western imperialism. It is shitting hilarious. Here is a scene:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZVfyQyu9RY&feature=related

Has anyone else seen this? I'm not sure it's even getting released in cinemas anywhere but the UK.
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Re: Four Lions, a comedy about modern Jihadism
« Reply #1 on: 22 May 2010, 11:25 »

I haven't seen it but I did intend to, hopefully I'll get some time to do so.

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Re: Four Lions, a comedy about modern Jihadism
« Reply #2 on: 23 May 2010, 11:52 »

I can see how some people could easily miss the message and go right to anti-muslim farce, and that makes me sad, because this looks like it would have been hilarious.

BTW - Khar you need to fix your link.
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Re: Four Lions, a comedy about modern Jihadism
« Reply #3 on: 24 May 2010, 10:38 »

The problem with his earlier approach was that it hit its logical conclusion with Jam. After that there was nowhere else to go so he sensibly ditched it and decided to turn to character-based work that wasn't all about brutality. The best bits of Nathan Barley were where Barley came across as a hapless but at least intermittently good-natured bumbler, and saved the real nastiness for those who thought themselves above him but were just as morally bankrupt without the excuse of being too dim to realise it. Ultimately a bit weak though, mainly because the targets were too soft (saying the kind of people who write Vice are tossers isn't really up there with puncturing the British hysteria over paedophilia).

I think where you felt pandered to I felt he was taking what had worked about Nathan Barley and ditching what failed. Making a friendly, gentle comedy about a mismatched group of friends means he gets the rounded, human characters he needed to pull this off. The cartoonish exaggerations you got with Brass Eye would have been disastrous, and I can't see how a more vicious approach would have been able to avoid that. The weakest part for me were one or two elements near the end where I thought it perhaps did get too vicious when the police get introduced (the superb Kevin Eldon's brief appearance for example), but I can't blame him for that since it must have been a damn hard temptation to resist and I really need to see it again to make my mind up about that.

But it all comes down to how much you liked the jokes really. It really is Dad's Army for suicide bombers, but that completely worked for me. I'm immensely bored by the glut of repetitive cruel comedy the UK has been churning out, people seemingly stuck on the idea that being vicious makes up for not having any good jokes or anything to say. It's harder to be nice, and "Fuck Mini Babybel!" had me in hysterics, the slapstick I thought well done and pretty much every time Fessal got a scene I was happy.
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Re: Four Lions, a comedy about modern Jihadism
« Reply #4 on: 24 May 2010, 14:50 »

As Chris Morris has said 'being controversial for the sake of it is the most boring thing you can do'. I agree with much of what Wolves has said. I don't think Morris has really abandoned anything about what made him great either, or really gone in a different direction. He has always, in his best stuff, used sudden flashes of sympathy for his characters to really enhance the depth of the comedy (I don't think it was all about brutality); this is what made Jam so bleak and so hilarious. Take a look at the sketch I linked (Living Outside, my favourite Jam sketch) as an example, or a number of similiar sketches like 'Marrying Myself'. These sketches have, essentially, no jokes (except some brilliant Morrisonish language). They are simply small portraits of seemingly nice men who have decided to destroy themselves for no real logical reason, and they are fucking hilarious. This is essentially what Four Lions is. Barry is a wanker, and Hassan is almost an islamist Nathan Barley, but Omar, Waj and Faisal all have redeeming qualities which gives their situation, and the way in which they egg each other on, real pathos. And what is not cruel about the way they were treated? Although I knew it would not happen, I was hoping, towards the end, that at the very least Waj would be saved. But alas. You've got to remember that the brash, over the topness of Morris's satirical work was not down to his inherent qualities as a writer, but because of the satirical character of the other Chris Morris, louche insensitive self-obsessesed hypocritcal arsehole news personality, which he played throughout On The Hour, The Day Today and Brass Eye. Because, during this time, he would always (when he appeared in public) appear as this character, (he has only very recently started giving interviews as himself, pretty much just to support Four Lions), people seem to have forgotten that Chris Morris is not, actually, just an arsehole. I really don't see what there is not to like about Four Lions. The message doesn't seem confused, the farce is only taken to unbelievable levels a couple of times, mostly just showing us tedious mundanity, the writing and comic timing is fucking brilliant ("Rubber dinghy rapids!") and the urdu subtitles in particular are classic examples of Chris Morris's personal brand of filth. The characters are great, the film is well put together vis a vis editing, music etc. and so on.

Interestingly, Tommy's criticisms seem to somewhat echo the Guardians (down to 'Missed opportunity'). Don't become too much of a cliche Tommy, you already vote green and have no real personal ethics!

Also Tommy, Four Lions has been given a widened release because it's proved to be surprisingly popular. I saw it in a Cineworld on the Isle of Wight, for fucks sake, so I doubt it's outside the cinema-going reach of 95% of the UK population.

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Re: Four Lions, a comedy about modern Jihadism
« Reply #5 on: 24 May 2010, 15:09 »

You're right, "all about brutality" was much too simplifying. Brutality is there as a driving force though, like in this supremely nasty moment, but even otherwise harsh moments like the baby reanimated by a plumber with metal piping and steam are complicated by compassion. There's definitely a compulsion to drag the viewer through the mire though, I remember when it was first shown laughing much more when talking with people about it the next day than I did when actually watching it.
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Re: Four Lions, a comedy about modern Jihadism
« Reply #6 on: 30 May 2010, 09:51 »

I'm still angry the advertised Q&A was via fucking satalite. Not live as the adverts implied. But it was introduced by Charlie brooker & had the 'Four Lions' there as well. Fortunately the questions asked were fairly interesting. As for the film I felt it was pitch perfect & enjoyed the slapstick all the way through. It had a Coogan-esque quality about it. I thought the humanity was incredible & the acting flawless.

Nathan Barley was special because no-one had poked fun of those twats in what could be called mainstream media. Now there are thousand of blogs set up to mock people like that. It might be a soft target, but no one had really attacked it before, so in that sense he is still breaking ground, all be it soft easy ground.
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