Topic: J. Jacques Doesn't Care About Black People: A Hip-Hop Thread (Read 29623 times)

JLM · « **on:** 19 Apr 2006, 22:59 »

So I'm really diggin' the latest Aceyalone & RJD2 effort, though I think that the production values are still a bit better than the rhymes. J Dilla's Donuts has been on and off for a couple months as well, and I've been all into Nujabes' Modal Soul.

Bunnyman · « **Reply #1 on:** 19 Apr 2006, 23:10 »

I find it interesting that other threads talk about individual bands (Sonic Youth) or certain currents within a greater whole (Viking Metal) yet everyone seems to think that Hip-Hop is a tiny niche only big enough to fill one thread. Smells like...hipsterism!

JLM · « **Reply #2 on:** 19 Apr 2006, 23:14 »

My admittedly narrow definition does exclude groups like 13 and God and Prefuse 73, since I consider them more electronica than hip-hop.

I also couldn't fit any more in the title space (and believe me, I tried).

pat101 · « **Reply #3 on:** 19 Apr 2006, 23:19 »

I will now list some hip-hop artists I enjoy

Dr. Dre
Snoop Dogg
Kanye West
MF Doom, Madvillian, DangerDoom ect.
Common
Cam'Ron
T.I.
Beastie Boys
Outkast
The Streets
Roots Manuva
Sage Francis
Aesop Rock
Buck 65

Granted some of these artists I like only a few tracks, some I like entire albums, and I've forgot other artists completly.

KharBevNor · « **Reply #4 on:** 19 Apr 2006, 23:25 »

Also, just to poke the thread title a bit, as far as I recall, RJD2 isn't black.

Outshined · « **Reply #5 on:** 19 Apr 2006, 23:34 »

Hip hop, isn't that the genre of music where they only ever sing about getting rich, knifing "gangstas" and boning drunken hoes? Yeah, I think that was the one.

JLM · « **Reply #6 on:** 19 Apr 2006, 23:41 »

For that matter, Nujabes isn't black either. Better throw me in literal jail, as opposed to figurative jail which would just be a big pony festival.

The title is a riff on a well known comment from Kanye West in regards to the President. If you're outside of the United States, though, you'd probably miss that.

beat mouse · « **Reply #7 on:** 19 Apr 2006, 23:47 »

Quote from: Outshined

Hip hop, isn't that the genre of music where they only ever sing about getting rich, knifing "gangstas" and boning drunken hoes? Yeah, I think that was the one.

No, you're also a fucking gay.

I pretty much represent the memphis scene, even though i live nowhere near it at all haha. Lil Wyte, Three 6 Mafia, Project Pat, Gangsta Boo, Indo G. you name it, if it's from memphis, i've either got it or heard it.

on an aside, buck 65 doesn't make hiphop anymore.

Outshined · « **Reply #8 on:** 19 Apr 2006, 23:54 »

Quote from: beat mouse

Quote from: Outshined
Hip hop, isn't that the genre of music where they only ever sing about getting rich, knifing "gangstas" and boning drunken hoes? Yeah, I think that was the one.

No, you're also a fucking gay.

Your homophobic sentiments do little to persuade me that the genre is any more rich or meaningful than I already suggested.

Seriously, though, I have yet to hear a hip hop band with any kind of redeeming musical value. By all means, point me towards some groups that aren't about the abovementioned topics, and maybe experiment a little bit with vocal harmony or beat beyond the usual fare, and I will stand corrected.

JLM · « **Reply #9 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 00:12 »

Dalek
RJD2 (as previously mentioned)
Roots Manuva
The CunninLynguists
Nujabes (Previously Mentioned)
Madlib
Populous
Daedelus
Any of the MF DOOM projects
The Roots (Illadelph Halflife/Things Fall Apart)
Spacek

Bunnyman · « **Reply #10 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 00:24 »

RJD2 (As previously mentioned repeatedly)
Aesop Rock
MC Paul Barman
MC Frontalot
DJ Shadow
Dan the Automator
Atmosphere
Doseone
Why?
Vanilla Ice

beat mouse · « **Reply #11 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 00:38 »

Immortal Technique
Buck 65's earlier work
Sage Francis
Del Tha Funky Homosapien
Unicron
Deep Puddle Dynamics
hell, Eminem fits this bill.
Necro and Ill Bill (is knifing people that aren't "gangstas" allowed?)
Outkast

the above two posts make this hard

McTaggart · « **Reply #12 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 00:47 »

Outshined, you've never looked for it have you?

http://www.elefanttraks.com/popups/artist_popup.cfm?artist_id=8">The Herd
http://www.jurassic5.com/">Jurassic 5
http://www.uglyduckling.us/">Ugly Duckling
http://www.rootsmanuva.co.uk/rootsmanuva/">Roots Manuva
Dalek (now I'm just too lazy to put websites in)
Gorillaz
Michael Franti & Spearhead (about as far from knifin bithces and hos as you can get)
Lyrics Born (and pretty much everyone on Quannum)
Hilltop Hoods

Hat · « **Reply #13 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 01:24 »

BLACK

A

LICIOUS

ImRonBurgundy? · « **Reply #14 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 03:23 »

how did you guys manage to forget Public Enemy?

Outshined is getting schooled quite hard, i must say.

Kai · « **Reply #15 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 04:38 »

Oh, come on, guys. Have we really gone this far into the thread with NOBODY mentioning mc chris? Seriously.

WHITE KIDS LIVE HIP HOP

Valrus · « **Reply #16 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 05:00 »

Quote from: Outshined

Seriously, though, I have yet to hear a hip hop band with any kind of redeeming musical value. By all means, point me towards some groups that aren't about the abovementioned topics, and maybe experiment a little bit with vocal harmony or beat beyond the usual fare, and I will stand corrected.

Just for future reference, it's generally considered more acceptable, in terms of ohhh decorum and such, to do some research before coming onto a message board and making sweeping, insulting and untrue statements.

Mitigate your ignorance before you go proclaiming it. Your original post could have been improved a thousandfold by sticking a "I haven't really done any research, but as far as I can tell..." in front of it instead of coming in here and all arrogantly going THIS IS THE WAY I HAVE DECIDED THINGS ARE, PROVE ME WRONG.

Anyway, I recommend the following, most of whom have already been suggested:

Common
Del tha Funkee Homosapien / Deltron 3030
MF Doom, about whom I read a magazine article which quoted him as saying:

Quote

"Let's talk about having children, as opposed to killing people's children. Like, why say, 'Yeah, if you don't bust ya gun, you're a pussy!'? You know how easy it is to bust a gun? You might as well pick something more interesting, like - jump in a pool! That's about as easy as bustin' a gun, but you ain't hurtin' nobody! Let's all go swimming! If you ain't swimming, you wack!"

And while we're sort of on the subject of white rappers, MC Paul Barman is amusing in very, very small doses.

Not An Addict · « **Reply #17 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 06:14 »

He's right about mainstream hip-hop, though. Bitches, ho's, blunts, big pimpin', candy shops, Polaroid pictures.

onewheelwizzard · « **Reply #18 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 06:32 »

But you can’t battle me, so you’d rather embarrass me //
I maintain dignity in the face of calamity //
They reach out their hand to me and talk dishonestly //
But I read through their syntactic structure like Noam Chomsky //
A student so overzealous I motivate my trainers //
I’d rather get some now than get some later //
Take a break from writing rhymes on paper, recondition my character //
Change my nature with 7 days of Vipassana //
Let go of the stress, man I was deeply depressed //
So famished, in fact, I needed a rest //
To regenerate my mind //
Bless the cornerstone of my rhyme with corn oil and wine //
Then see the light, an illuminous paradigm //
It became more apparent with time //
All I had to do was follow the signs //
To be a better man I need help //
I’ve just got to find the link between my inner deity and myself //

Hopefully this puts to rest the question of whether or not all rappers talk about is guns, money, drugs, and hoes.

By the way, this is a verse from the song "M-Sea-Cresy" by Canibus, from his album "Rip The Jacker." PIcking up a copy is recommended.

Thrillho · « **Reply #19 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 06:58 »

Quote from: Outshined

Hip hop, isn't that the genre of music where they only ever sing about getting rich, knifing "gangstas" and boning drunken hoes? Yeah, I think that was the one.

That's so close minded that it looks like a parody. I'm not ruling out the possiblity.

Hip-hop/rap I like:

Eminem (he's my favwite! No not because he's white, because he's talented and I think his lyrics are great.)
Snoop
Dre
Public Enemy
Beastie Boys
Nas
RATM (they count, dammit)
The Streets, occasionally
Jay Z

The hip-hop sub-genre I really can't get on with is crunk.

onewheelwizzard · « **Reply #20 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 07:01 »

Yeah, crunk really has given hip-hop a bad name of late. Oh, for the days when actually-talented lyricists were on the charts!

I don't really blame the hip-hop haters who have only ever listened to stuff that's gotten onto BET or the radio in the last 4 years. Nowadays you need to actually look for decent rap if you want to find any.

Zaarin · « **Reply #21 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 07:21 »

Quote from: onewheelwizzard

Nowadays you need to actually look for decent rap if you want to find any.

Indeed, often you need to go back about a decade or two find it, too. I really hated rap until I discovered the Sugarhill Gang, Public Enemy, Grandmaster Flash and the like.

And don't be knocking crunk. Admit it, there is no better a soundtrack for rolling through the hood than a bit of Three 6 Mafia.

McTaggart · « **Reply #22 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 07:47 »

yeah, but how often do you actually roll through the hood?

butmyrobotloves · « **Reply #23 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 07:52 »

Quote from: Kai

Oh, come on, guys. Have we really gone this far into the thread with NOBODY mentioning mc chris? Seriously.

THE TUSSIN, THE TUSSIN!

Ã¶de · « **Reply #24 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 07:57 »

Busdriver
Swollen Members
2Mex
Muph And Plutonic
MC Chris

Some of my favourite rap artists at the moment. None of the mare "gangstas."

valley_parade · « **Reply #25 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 08:55 »

Busdriver is freaking amazing.

That said, I also listen to J5 and a bit of Del.

Thrillho · « **Reply #26 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 09:07 »

Quote from: onewheelwizzard

Yeah, crunk really has given hip-hop a bad name of late. Oh, for the days when actually-talented lyricists were on the charts!

That'd only be like, 2001 when Eminem's last decent recordings were in the chart.

Although saying that, Sing For The Moment was great, lyrically.

pat101 · « **Reply #27 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 09:10 »

Looking across this thread it's rather insane seeing the artists I neglected to mentioned, espically DJ Shadow I'm listening to Entroducing again right now and it's just fantastic.

Filk · « **Reply #28 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 10:39 »

While you guys are on the topic could you recommend some rap for me to listen to?

I listen to death/power metal with occasional indie stuff here and there.

Recently i feel like trying different genres and rap is really hard for me to get into.
I got an Outkast cd a few weeks ago and really hated it. I do remember listening to some early Eminem album several years ago and liking it.

thanks

Outshined · « **Reply #29 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 10:40 »

Ah, yes, I have Endtroducing as well, and it is an amazing album.

In all seriousness, though, it seems like a lot of those bands you posted, like Gorillaz, Dan the Automator and DJ Shadow, are extremely heavy on the electronica hybridization that I wouldn't really call them hip hop anymore, but electronic music with hip hop influences. Gorillaz, in particular, seems more like a "bit of everything" band that occassionally does hip hop really well =). I suspect a few more bands on some of these lists are like this, as well.

A lot of the rest of the artists you mentioned are much older, "classic" figures of hip hop, but I haven't heard very many modern artists mentioned at all.

Also, since when is Eminem good? Have the masses decided that we like him despite the immature, misogynist lyrics now? You'll forgive me if I don't hop on that train =P

It is just very difficult not to get jaded about a genre that seems inundated by talentless knockoffs, y'know?

I'll check out Aesop Rock, and Buck 65 though, a lot of people mentioned them.

amok · « **Reply #30 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 10:42 »

Not that I know much about the style but get:

A Tribe Called Quest - Midnight Marauders
Atmosphere - Seven's Travels
Dilated Peoples - The Platform
Nas - Illmatic

Then on the more DJ kinda side of things check out DJ Shadow, R2D2, Mr. Dibbs, and that guy whose name begins with a Q that I always forget. Q-bert?

Also, yeah, it's a bit of a stretch to call Gorillaz hip-hop. They're a pop-based mixing pot of everything else. However if you like De La Soul's contribution to "Feel Good Inc." get the 3 Feet High And Rising album.

Rubby · « **Reply #31 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 11:17 »

Quote from: Outshined

Quote from: beat mouse
Quote from: Outshined
Hip hop, isn't that the genre of music where they only ever sing about getting rich, knifing "gangstas" and boning drunken hoes? Yeah, I think that was the one.

No, you're also a fucking gay.

Your homophobic sentiments do little to persuade me that the genre is any more rich or meaningful than I already suggested.

Seriously, though, I have yet to hear a hip hop band with any kind of redeeming musical value. By all means, point me towards some groups that aren't about the abovementioned topics, and maybe experiment a little bit with vocal harmony or beat beyond the usual fare, and I will stand corrected.

Of course, the argument could be made that you can’t get into decent hip-hop by basing your choices on the mainstream, but when is the last time you found decent anything by basing your choices on the mainstream. It holds true with every other fucking genre that only about 5% of the good stuff gets into the charts, so why is it that you think that the only hip-hop in the whole world is what you hear in the top 40?

KharBevNor · « **Reply #32 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 11:24 »

My favourite rapper is Bob Dylan.

...what?

amok · « **Reply #33 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 11:41 »

Quote from: Rubby

Of course, the argument could be made that you can’t get into decent hip-hop by basing your choices on the mainstream, but when is the last time you found decent anything by basing your choices on the mainstream. It holds true with every other fucking genre that only about 5% of the good stuff gets into the charts, so why is it that you think that the only hip-hop in the whole world is what you hear in the top 40?

Yeah, pretty much. All the GS NIGGAS N HOES shit on MTV really isn't representative of anything except what record label execs know will sell.

Cartilage Head · « **Reply #34 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 11:46 »

Koopstanicca is actually not a bad rap-group! But as far as rap or hip-hop goes,I usually just enjoy random songs..not necessarily all material by the artists. For example..
Dre-Fuck Tha Police
DMX-Bring Ya Whole Crew
Three Six Mafia-Slob on my Knob,Hit A Motherfucker

To name a few.

jcknbl · « **Reply #35 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 12:01 »

Twista.

Now here me out. I realize he raps about ho's and pimps and that the production is pretty average. But the guy has got crazy speed.

I also like Outacast, Aesop Rock, Atmosphere, J5, Kanye, Run-DMC, Public Enemy, Talib Kweli and don't forget fucking De La Soul and Mos Def.

A question. Hip-hop sub genres? What are they and what are the distinctions?

KharBevNor · « **Reply #36 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 12:12 »

Not that I have any authority or knowledge whatsoever, but I'm pretty sure it's to do with what kind of beats and whatnot you use.

You can get reggae hip-hop, for instance.

beat mouse · « **Reply #37 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 12:39 »

crunk is very easily not even rap music. it's dance music. that's like looking at rave music (without being so fucking horrifying as house music) and comparing it to DJ Shadow. it's got electronic simple beats, a lot of the similar samples (claps, whistles) and often the same repeated hooks that aren't based on rhymes/serve nearly as much as you'd find in rap music.

i love crunk, but it's nearly impossible to call it rap.

Bastardous Bassist · « **Reply #38 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 12:43 »

Quote from: Zaarin

I really hated rap until I discovered the Sugarhill Gang

The Sugarhill Gang are not rappers. They may happen to rap (when asked to do so by a record company), but they are bouncers, who were helped out by a lot of rappers, and promptly forgot these rappers that helped them get their fame. Goddamned sellouts.

tomselleck69 · « **Reply #39 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 12:50 »

ugh it's almost jarring to see people who haven't yet placed hip-hop into the "doesn't suck" category.

however, i'll have nothing but respect for Outshined if he/she keeps the attitude after giving a fair chance to the standard hip-hop groups that are used to changes the minds of naysaying hipsters.

it's equally jarring to see that there is no love for the wu-tang clan on here.

and am i the only one who's getting tired of doom? yes, he's talented, but damn he never changes up his flow at all.

KharBevNor · « **Reply #40 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 12:52 »

I've tried pretty much everything in the hip-hop line, and, well, I thought some Goldy Lookin' Chain songs were pretty amusing.

That's about it. I'm scratching about for some decent dark instrumental trip-hop though, I get a feeling I may like that.

lofin · « **Reply #41 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 15:15 »

3X Dope
Atreyu
Heiruspecs
Fort Minor
Dr. Octagon
Modill

Kai · « **Reply #42 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 15:41 »

Quote from: butmyrobotloves

THE TUSSIN, THE TUSSIN!

PUT IT DOWN LIKE IT WAS NOTHIN'
ROBOCOP COULDN'T STOP ME FROM PUKIN' AND FUSSIN'
NO BALLS TO BE BUSTIN'
NO FIGHTIN', NO CUSSIN', JUST LOVE FOR A DRUG CALLED ROBUTUSSIN!

I can totally go along with that entire song.

Raj · « **Reply #43 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 15:45 »

Wouldn't call Atreyu hip-hop. Cos, they really aren't.

El-P is one of the best things since sliced bread, and I think, the best hip-hop artist recording today.

jeph · « **Reply #44 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 15:48 »

A: I don't appreciate the title of this thread, tongue-in-cheek or not.

B: Making any sort of blanket statements about musical genres is retarded. So is using the term "gay" as an insult.

C: I forgot what C was going to be.

thermodynamics · « **Reply #45 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 15:54 »

Quote from: beat mouse

I pretty much represent the memphis scene, even though i live nowhere near it at all haha. Lil Wyte, Three 6 Mafia, Project Pat, Gangsta Boo, Indo G. you name it, if it's from memphis, i've either got it or heard it.

i'm there, m town reppin. haterz best be steppin. except i live sorta close to memphis, and i party with a lot of people that go to university of memphis. i own so many three 6 cds. choices is a badass album. their new one is pretty tight too. i mean, three 6 won an oscar (for writing the songs for "hustle and flow")! they aren't 'rap group three 6 mafia' but fucking "oscar-winning artists Three 6 Mafia" it's about time they got some credit. i've been jamming wit em since 1996.

thermodynamics · « **Reply #46 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 15:57 »

Quote from: KharBevNor

I thought some Goldy Lookin' Chain songs were pretty amusing.

those guys are nuts! they used to have these ridiculous 8-bit looking games on their website that were hilarious and fun at the same time. i must have killed 10 hours playing them at work that week.

KharBevNor · « **Reply #47 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 17:01 »

I know a guy who knows GLC. They're all, unsurprisingly, quite well off, not particularly chavvy students. They met at Cardiff Uni.

I just think they're perfect. The video to 'Guns Don't Kill People, Rappers Do' is just classic. With the pimped out ~~spack chariots~~ old person vehicles and all.

Scandanavian War Machine · « **Reply #48 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 17:58 »

Quote

Seriously, though, I have yet to hear a hip hop band with any kind of redeeming musical value. By all means, point me towards some groups that aren't about the abovementioned topics, and maybe experiment a little bit with vocal harmony or beat beyond the usual fare, and I will stand corrected.

the rap you are describing is (for the most part) contemporary, popular rap. which i will agree is almost always shitty.
heres a few that i like:

immortal technique
deltron 3030 (and everything else with del attatched)
mf doom
dangermouse
dangerdoom
non phixion
nujabes
public enemy (if you ignore flava flav)
beastie boys
chattabox
andre nickatina
blackalicious (he raps about science, c'mon)

theres also some really good underground rappers in my area (bellingham, wa) whos names i cant remember

um thats all i can think of right now. but seriously look some of those guys up, chattabox and non phixion might not be your style because i guess they still rap about "gangster stuff" but i still think they are good despite that. and non phixion does use some really cool beats that incorporate alot of stringed instruments and brass/wind instruments, giving it a really cool sound. that isnt "the usual fare."
and i strongly recommend immortal technique and blackalicious, they blew my mind when i first heard them and i still love 'em both.

ImRonBurgundy? · « **Reply #49 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 19:25 »

Quote from: Scandanavian War Machine

public enemy (if you ignore flava flav)

what?!?

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Author Topic: J. Jacques Doesn't Care About Black People: A Hip-Hop Thread (Read 29623 times)

Bunnyman

Outshined

Outshined

Bunnyman

Not An Addict

Zaarin

Filk

Outshined

jcknbl

lofin

Raj

thermodynamics

thermodynamics