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« Reply #50 on: 21 Aug 2006, 20:41 »

I am general fan of "classical" music, due to being in orchestra. Currently I enjoy music more in the "romantic" style.

Also as I cello player, I am a fan of the good cello concertos, including

The Dvorak one...
Cello Concerto in A minor, Saint-Saens

and my current piece

Concerto in D minor, Edouard Lalo
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« Reply #51 on: 21 Aug 2006, 21:00 »

Dude.  Bach.  Elgar.
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« Reply #52 on: 22 Aug 2006, 06:15 »

Quote from: Moiche
Or you know, Wagner's Götterdämmerung has a few dark and stormy moments.  Like when the land of the Gods gets burned to the ground.

Seriously, my best musical experience ever: seeing the Ring Cycle, specifically Götterdämmerung, at the Metropolitan Opera in orchestra seats.  (Second best: Sufjan Steven's "Feel the Illinoise" tour.)

One of my dreams is to see Wagner's operas in the Bayreuth Festival.

Unfortunately:
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Wagner's operas have never been staged in the modern state of Israel, and the few instrumental performances that have occurred have provoked much controversy. Although his works are commonly broadcast on government-owned radio and television stations, attempts at staging public performances have been halted by protests, which have included protests from Holocaust survivors. For instance, after Daniel Barenboim conducted a passage from Tristan und Isolde as an encore at the 2001 Israel Festival, a parliamentary committee urged a boycott of the conductor, and an initially scheduled performance of Die Walküre had to be withdrawn. On another occasion, Zubin Mehta played Wagner in Israel in spite of walkouts and jeers from the audience

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner#Nazi_appropriation
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« Reply #53 on: 22 Aug 2006, 07:53 »

You know, Hitlers favourite film was King Kong, but I don't see that being boycotted by Holocaust survivors.

Some people need to chill the hell out. Also, NEVER let these guys cotton on to the fact that people in Isreal are enjoying neo-folk. Because we all know the crap that goes round about DI6.
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« Reply #54 on: 22 Aug 2006, 08:49 »

Funny thing is, nobody said anything when DI6 came here to preform live in Tel Aviv. But Der Blutharsch got banned because some anti-racist group sent letters to Israeli ministers saying that Der Blutharsch were facists. Der Blutharsch got banned after they issued a special Israeli only T-Shirt and a limited CD for Israeli fans.
Seriously, sometime the left wing partys in this country piss the hell out of me*, why the hell would a nazi group even think about coming to Israel?


*my political opinios are considered far left.
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« Reply #55 on: 22 Aug 2006, 10:10 »

Yeah. It's like with Ancient Rites. One of my mates is convinced they're nazis, but they have an Isreali fan-club.

People just don't understand the whole bent of neo-folk/post-industrial music, which is to basically show you how awful all this stuff is, and to constantly re-evoke the waste and evil of the second world war, and the seductive evil of totalitarianism. It's their vocabulary.

DI6 and fucking Changes once got routed by anti-fascists in America, and I think DI6 are banned from playing in Lausanne. I seem to remember that Douglas P turned up to the press conference on that one handcuffed to Boyd Rice and Albin Julius, both dressed in Gorilla suits and swastika armbands. Then, at the show (becuase, Bizarrely, Der Bluthsarch, Boyd Rice and Fire + Ice HAD been allowed to play) a man appeared wearing Douglas's mask, then removed it, revealing himself to be Boyd Rice, who then sang an altered and extremely scathing version of C'est Un Reve. This all goes to show why neo-folk is FUCKING AWESOME.

Anyway, er, classical music. I used to actually be pretty obsessed with classical music when I was much younger, but like many of my semi-autistic youthful obsessions, I can't remember much. Nowadays I like (mainly) German, Russian and Scandinavian romantic and early 20th Century composers. Some favourites are Prokofiev, Mussorgsky, Wagner, Orff, Borodin, Grieg, Chopin, Saint-Saens, Sibelius, and a bit of the old Bach and Beethoven. I also have some CD's of gregorian chanting and whatnot that I enjoy, as well as CDs of random 'relaxing' classical pieces and film music, which I barely listen to. I generally like my classical music heavy and powerful.
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« Reply #56 on: 22 Aug 2006, 14:24 »

I read an interview with the guys who wrote Looking For Europe (a book about the history of neo-folk and other neo-folk related stuff) and they  think that all of the bad press neo-folk got from groups like Antifa was responsible for getting all of the extreme right wing guys and other people with weird ideas and racist beliefs into the scene.
Also, I just started reading Heathen Harvest again, great post-industrial/neo-folk webzine.
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« Reply #57 on: 22 Aug 2006, 14:59 »

Oh shit! You reminded me, I still haven't sent any shit to the guy at Heathen Harvest.

I might as well wait until I have the first Ill Met By Moonlight EP done now.

Yeah, I've read Looking for Europe. I agree with that totally. I mean, it's a pure bloody joke. Look at the core members of the neo-folk scene. Douglas Pearce is gay, and he and Tony Wakeford played Anti-Nazi League and Rock Against Racism rallies when they were in Crisis. Dave Tibet is a demented, cat-obsessed former buddhist turned apocalyptic and extremely esoteric Christian. And so on. The closest thing to a nazi in the inner circle of neo-folk is Boyd Rice, who's stated that he doesn't mind racism because it leads to people killing each other, and anything that reduces the planets population is good by him. They're a hell of a load of wierdos, but they're all either socialists, greens or libertarians. They're part of the same diaspora that gave us Psychic TV (I think Genesis P Orridges surgically implanted breasts deflect most nazi criticism away from him) and Coil (the band who did an AIDS charity single). All the Nazi crap is just patently ridiculous to anyone who takes a moment to do any research, and yet people swallow it up! I know goth zines that simply bin neo-folk or martial industrial recordings sent to them for reviewing. It's dumb as hell.
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« Reply #58 on: 22 Aug 2006, 15:26 »

Problam is people around here freak out a little too much when they see Pagan symbols and scream racism, insted of just looking into stuff before condeming them. Mainly because you cant tell if the groups are using the symbols like most neo-folk bands and artists do, or that they're actually racist and have nothing to do with neo-folk (like the National Alliance that uses the Algiz rune).
It's tricky getting people to see that neo-folk artists are just trying to create their own utopia while criticising both the left and the right.
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« Reply #59 on: 22 Aug 2006, 15:47 »

Yeah. I hear the new Sol Invictus albums going to have something of a Luddite theme, btw.

Also, is it really because of the pagan symbols? I'd always thought the main reason was radical misinterpretations of songs like C'est Un Reve, Hitler as Kali, Lifebooks, Herr, Nun Lab in Frieden, A Song For Douglas After He's Dead, Looking For Europe, Sarabande Oratoria, Rose Clouds of Holocaust, Power Has A Fragrance, etc. etc.

If it's pagan symbols, then my patch jacket should confuse the shit out of them, between the sunwheels, runes, triskeles, hexagrams and other heathen and occult symbols, and the gay pride, pro-trade union, pro-immigration, anti-tory, anti-nuclear and anti-nazi badges and patches. But then, I do try and keep it deliberately somewhat confusing.
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« Reply #60 on: 22 Aug 2006, 16:11 »

What I ment to say is that those who heard about neo-folk from the bad press anti-racist groups gave them, first saw the Pagan symbols that are often used by racist group (again: National Alliance). Only after thinking that neo-folk artists are racists or right wing or whatever they started paying attention to the lyrics, but insted of making them think they took them at face value (like the nazi punks taking DK songs like Kill The Poor at face value, untill DK wrote Nazi Punks Fuck Off).

Also, pictures of that patch jacket would be awsome.
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« Reply #61 on: 22 Aug 2006, 17:11 »

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