Hm, all right. But how do you not "come from somewhere outside metal" when you're
innovating it or inventing a new sound? I still say this means any metal band who
put folk in there or any other elements like that arent metal. They're not coming
from metal, they're coming from folk. They're just very influenced by metal.
Same goes for the screaming or roaring, that wasn't originally part of metal
heritage. Why do those things get made exceptions for?
You can't just pick a time where things suddenly cut off, where bands
can no longer do things that origianally had nothing to do with metal.
Between the Buried and Me do not come from a musical background of metal. The largest band that members have previously been involved in was Prayer For Cleansing, a straigthedge metalcore band. Straightedge is almost culturally diametric to metal. Whilst one of them was in an MDM band (Undying) their other former bands (Voids, Azazel, From Here On) are all hardcore or metalcore groups, none of them metal enough to be mentioned on metal archives. BTBAM are signed to Victory records, a hardcore/metalcore/ska/pop-punk label, with stablemates like Aiden,The Black Maria, Comeback Kid, Silverstein, Minus, Streetlight Manifesto, Catch 22, Voodoo Glow Skulls etc. They tour with bands like Norma Jean, The Junior Varsity, Fear Before the March of Flames, Into the Moat and Misery Signals, They aren't metalheads, they don't come from or engage with the metal underground, they don't interact with metal labels, distros or venues, they very rarely tour with metal bands (and then borderline grind crossover acts), they don't share the most basic ethics of metal, they don't act like metalheads,they don't dress like metalheads and they
don't play fucking metal. This all adds up to a very big dose of NOT FUCKING METAL. As I said, I'm not saying this makes them shit or anything but they are NOT. FUCKING. METAL. They're hardcore kids pissing around with a few gothenburg licks. Nothing more, nothing less. You're critically fucking misunderstanding what I'm saying, possibly willfully, if you think what I'm saying is there is no room for innovation within the framework of metal. There is plenty, but
within the framework of metal. BTBAM are innovating within the framework of hardcore by incorporating metal elements, not vice versa. Just compare metal-based crossover acts like Stormtroopers of Death to actually see the difference.
And Black Sabbath, Doom Metal? Yeah, I'm going to have to disregard
that, I have no idea at all how they could be doom metal. They influenced
or inspired it, but that definitely doesn't make them doom metal.
Black Sabbath are clearly listed in the Metal Archives as 'Heavy/Traditional, Doom Metal'. Wikipedia notes 'Heavy metal sub-genres Doom metal, Stoner metal, and Sludge metal reflect a
direct influence from Black Sabbath, especially the slower, heavier style on the band's earlier albums' (emphasis mine). Have you actually heard any of Sabbaths songs? Like, say, Electric Funeral? Children of the Grave? Into The Void? Evil Eye? Lord of This World? Over and Over? Under The Sun, Every Day Comes? Now, have you ever heard doom bands like Candlemass, Cathedral, Witchfinder General, Orange Goblinetc.? Of course Black Sabbath were fucking doom. 'Hand of Doom' is why we fucking
call it Doom. After all (to quote wikipedia again, sorry, I know it's shit but sometimes it's right) "[Doom Metal] is strongly influenced by the early work of Black Sabbath, and a number of early Black Sabbath tracks, such as "Black Sabbath", are often considered embryonic or prototypical doom metal songs. Many of the tracks on their third album Master of Reality (released in 1971) seem to have more in common with what today is seen as doom metal, with tracks such as "Sweet Leaf", "Into The Void", and "Children of the Grave" that featured Tony Iommi's guitar (and presumably Geezer Butler's bass) tuned down to C# for heavier riffing and reduced string tension for his previously injured fingers." They not just inspired doom metal, they were, for several albums, pretty much pure doom, in the classic sense.