Topic: Bond to be good (Read 12665 times)

bujiatang · « **on:** 15 Sep 2006, 07:14 »

The books are better, but holy crap if this isn't the longest running series.

Lines · « **Reply #1 on:** 15 Sep 2006, 09:28 »

from what i've heard...the actor they picked is not a Bond-like person at all.

and they seriously need to stop making movies.

Scandanavian War Machine · « **Reply #2 on:** 15 Sep 2006, 10:11 »

yeah the books are classic. but i still enjoy watching the movies. theyre just alot of fun even if they arent all that great. good entertainment if youre home sick or something.

i remember i bought 8 or 9 hardcover first edtions at a junkstore for like 4 bucks each or something. they dont have the jackets but even so theyre worth quite a bit of money. i even got Casino Royale which was the first Bond book which never made it to celluloid (in america, anyway). I heard they were in the process of making it into a movie right now so thats pretty cool.

JLM · « **Reply #3 on:** 15 Sep 2006, 16:20 »

http://www.apple.com/trailers/sony_pictures/casinoroyale/

bujiatang · « **Reply #4 on:** 16 Sep 2006, 15:27 »

My wife, Shannon, bought me the first paperback editions from a garage sale. Because she knew that Fleming's first book was Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, she got the set for 2 dollars. Just the original Fleming Bond books, not the ghost writers'.

She used to work in a used and rare bookshop.

Spinless · « **Reply #5 on:** 16 Sep 2006, 16:47 »

http://danielcraigisnotbond.com/index.html

These guys really don't like Daniel Craig.

Edit: Oh wow, hey, this sounds like it's gonna be really really bad. Apparently, it writes the previous 20 films out of the contunuity.
Edit: http://www.alternative007.co.uk/25.htm

That article gave me some chuckles.

KharBevNor · « **Reply #6 on:** 17 Sep 2006, 03:11 »

I've got to say, though Layer Cake was a pretty crap film, after watching it you must admit that Daniel Craig would probably still be a good bond. At least he's a human being with a pulse, which automatically assures him of having more charisma than Roger Moore.

Electric Monk · « **Reply #7 on:** 17 Sep 2006, 15:23 »

Quote from: Spinless

Edit: Oh wow, hey, this sounds like it's gonna be really really bad. Apparently, it writes the previous 20 films out of the contunuity.

Since when has Bond had a continuity?

KharBevNor · « **Reply #8 on:** 17 Sep 2006, 17:15 »

It kind of had continuity in the Connery and Moore films, when it was roughly believable. Then they mostly got rid of all that when they picked up Dalton, and then invented a new continuity in the nineties after Goldeneye with a new team of people at Mi5 and recurring characters like that fat russian dude and that fat american dude who wears bad shirts and is in no way as cool as any given incarnation of Felix Leiter, who I seem to remember got killed off when Dalton arrived in Licence to Kill.

Ignoring all the continuity is, I suspect, a ploy so they can get at least eight half-decent films out of Ian Flemings original plots (again), though really, if they want to reinvigorate the bond franchise, the first steps I'd take would be to not make every single bond film into a huge product placement advert (or at least not do it quite so obviously), and reintroduce actors and writers with some calibre, and some genuinely cool ideas that aren't completely rehashed, which is kind of hard operating in a post-Austin Powers environment. You Only Live Twice, in my opinion probably the best of the series, had SEAN CONNERY and AWESOME NINJAS with THROWING STARS and ROCKET GUNS fighting DONALD PLEASANCE, who had an ARMY OF MEN IN SILLY ORANGE SUITS and a LAKE FULL OF PIRANHAS and a SPACESHIP WITH TEETH in his VOLCANO BASE and was trying to START WORLD WAR THREE for LITTLE REAL LOGICAL REASON, and he was doing it by EATING SPACESHIPS even though he obviously possessed the military and technical prowess to build nuclear weapons. Also, James Bond flew a HELICOPTER THE SIZE OF A MINI WITH MORE GUNS THAN AN APACHE WHILST WEARING A STUPID HAT and he had a CIGARETTE THAT SHOT A TINY ROCKET and he was TRAINED BY NINJAS and VERY INEFFECTIVELY DISGUISED AS A JAPANESE PERSON, then he spouted WITTY YET DREADFUL ONE LINERS as he PUSHED PEOPLE INTO AFOREMENTIONED LAKES FULL OF PIRANHAS whilst AFOREMENTIONED AWESOME NINJAS attack AFOREMENTIONED VOLCANO BASE. And to top it all, the whole thing was written by ROALD DAHL.

Die Another Day had a shitty Madonna song, a guy with a face made of diamonds and an invisible car. It just ain't the same. Part of it's the effect of modern special effects in that all films look completely the same (charming and soulless), partly its that they have completely run out of entertaining plots, partly it's the fact that after you see Ninjas with machine guns abseiling into a Volcano base, anything is downhill.

Ozymandias · « **Reply #9 on:** 17 Sep 2006, 18:23 »

I think Casino Royale looks positively bitchin'. It looks like they adapted an actual Bond novel, with a splash of Transporter-esque action.

I am all for it. Fuck the last 20 movies. It's time for the series to get a reboot that doesn't involve Madonna and the world's shittiest plots ever.

JLM · « **Reply #10 on:** 18 Sep 2006, 21:45 »

Yeah the producers said they wanted to get away from all the gadgetry, etc. etc. So no Q or Moneypenny in this one, the return of Felix Leiter, and just barebones action.

Scandanavian War Machine · « **Reply #11 on:** 19 Sep 2006, 12:39 »

Quote from: Spinless

Edit: Oh wow, hey, this sounds like it's gonna be really really bad. Apparently, it writes the previous 20 films out of the contunuity.

well it is a prequel, is it not? it wouldnt be a very effective prequel if it followed the other movies would it?

Ozymandias · « **Reply #12 on:** 19 Sep 2006, 12:45 »

I too was confused by Spinless's comment. It's Bond's first 00 mission. That's what it's about.

However, it does look to be set in modern times, meaning all of that fightin' with the Reds makes no sense if it's a prequel to the previous 20 movies.

I'm pretty sure it's a complete restart of the franchise. Like Batman Begins. Batman and Robin sucked so bad that they couldn't save the previous continuity, so they started a whole new one based on the actual source material twisted with a healthy dose of reality. Same with Die Another Day and Casino Royale.

bujiatang · « **Reply #13 on:** 20 Sep 2006, 08:08 »

I hope they keep things like the cane.

If you've read the book you should remember the .45 slug that he almost takes. while playing cards.

KharBevNor · « **Reply #14 on:** 20 Sep 2006, 14:33 »

Quote from: Ozymandias

However, it does look to be set in modern times, meaning all of that fightin' with the Reds makes no sense if it's a prequel to the previous 20 movies.

Except Bond never really fought the reds much, just SPECTRE.

mberan42 · « **Reply #15 on:** 20 Sep 2006, 15:16 »

But we've got known in Britain for making the smaller films, you know. Recently, we've been pulling out of that into the more “Trainspotting” area, but the smaller films, they're kind of “a room with a view with a staircase and a pond”-type movies. Films with very fine acting, but the drama is rather sort of subsued and - subsumed or - a word like that. Sub- something or another. You know, just folded in and everything's people opening doors.

"Oh, I'm - oh, what? Well, I’ve - oh."

"What is it, Sebastian? I'm arranging matches."

"Well, I - I thought you - ... I'd better go."

"Yes, I think you'd better had."

And you can't eat popcorn to that! You're going ( mimes trying to eat popcorn but getting frustrated and sighs ).

Whereas if the film did any little bit of business in America, if the film did some decent bit of business, then Hollywood would take it, and they'd remake it, and they'd up the budget by 50 million and it'd be called, “The Room With A View of Hell! Staircase of Satan! Pond of Death.” And have people open the door, going,

"You're fucking in here all the time! All the time you're in here with the fucking matches! In here with the fucking matches! You're fucking doing and fucking ...!!"

"You don't talk to me that way! You don't talk to me that way! You fuck my wife? You fuck my wife? You fuck my wife? You fuck my wife? You fuck my wife?"

"I am your wife!"

"That doesn't matter! That doesn't matter! I say again, you fuck my wife?"

"All right, yes, I fucked your wife. I am your wife, and I fucked her."

" gurmble... fucking matches - I can't get 'em... I'm going to drive around town and put babies on spikes."

( sounds of babies sliding on the spikes )

“Oh, no! Space monkeys are attacking!” A whole new part of the film that wasn't in the original! ( mimics shooting sounds )

"Damn, its jammed!" ( dialing on mobile ) “Janine, I love you really, even though you fucked my wife..." ( big explosion )

( mimics eating and drinking everything in sight while watching )

Scandanavian War Machine · « **Reply #16 on:** 20 Sep 2006, 15:26 »

....what....

bujiatang · « **Reply #17 on:** 21 Sep 2006, 07:17 »

HAHAHAHAHA

exactly

Ozymandias · « **Reply #18 on:** 21 Sep 2006, 18:08 »

Eddie Izzard would make a wonderful Bond.

KharBevNor · « **Reply #19 on:** 21 Sep 2006, 22:17 »

Quote from: mberan42

but the smaller films, they're kind of “a room with a view with a staircase and a pond”-type movies.

?

mberan42 · « **Reply #20 on:** 22 Sep 2006, 08:09 »

Quote from: KharBevNor

(Lock, Stock & Two Smoking Barrels)
(Doc Soldiers)
(28 Days Later)

Quote from: mberan42

Recently, we've been pulling out of that into the more “Trainspotting” area

and

Quote from: mberan42

but the smaller films, they're kind of “a room with a view with a staircase and a pond”-type movies

Those you posted aren't "the smaller films".

bujiatang · « **Reply #21 on:** 26 Sep 2006, 07:21 »

It has been around for a long time, but if you want the hegelian master slave reversing dichotomy The Servant. A dark english movie. With cool bookshelves.

Mnementh · « **Reply #22 on:** 28 Sep 2006, 14:18 »

Fuck Yes!.

Brosnan can eat a dick.

Trollstormur · « **Reply #23 on:** 28 Sep 2006, 15:01 »

Quote from: KharBevNor on 17 Sep 2006, 17:15

if they want to reinvigorate the bond franchise, the first steps I'd take would be to not make every single bond film into a huge product placement advert (or at least not do it quite so obviously), and reintroduce actors and writers with some calibre

Yeah, if they wanted to make bond films, but isntead they're using a bond idea to maximize profits.

Peet · « **Reply #24 on:** 01 Oct 2006, 10:59 »

I watched Layer Cake last night (very good) and am now in no doubt whatsoever that Daniel Craig will be a brilliant Bond.

Johnny C · « **Reply #25 on:** 01 Oct 2006, 14:08 »

Quote from: Mnementh on 28 Sep 2006, 14:18

Fuck Yes!

Wow. I'm very excited all of a sudden.

IronOxide · « **Reply #26 on:** 01 Oct 2006, 14:46 »

I'm not positive yet, but I'm definitely going to see it and I'm going to be exited about it.

I am disappointed that they changed Bond's game from Baccarat to Poker in the movie though, although I have no idea how to play the game.

Ozymandias · « **Reply #27 on:** 01 Oct 2006, 15:44 »

No one knows how to play Baccarat (even though it is the single easiest card game I know of).

A high stakes game of Baccarat would've, therefore, been pretty silly.

bujiatang · « **Reply #28 on:** 02 Oct 2006, 07:23 »

didn't they make a joke about that in Pinky and the Brain?

IronOxide · « **Reply #29 on:** 02 Oct 2006, 19:04 »

Quote from: Ozymandias on 01 Oct 2006, 15:44

No one knows how to play Baccarat (even though it is the single easiest card game I know of).

A high stakes game of Baccarat would've, therefore, been pretty silly.

So? I would learn baccurat just to see the movie! James Bond was never mentioned in the same sentence as poker, I think that it's getting just a little too Americanized for its own good.

Johnny C · « **Reply #30 on:** 02 Oct 2006, 21:54 »

Baccarat was a really worldly sort of game back around when the books were written, but now it's just obscure and a little archaic. Poker might be a little Americanized but it's not as straight-up retarded as the video game in Never Say Never Again. And it's more modern.

bujiatang · « **Reply #31 on:** 03 Oct 2006, 07:06 »

perhaps it is the discussion of rubbers that goes with Bacarrat

Mnementh · « **Reply #32 on:** 03 Oct 2006, 07:39 »

Christ guys.

Girls in swimsuits
Sex
Gambling
Fast car chases
Incredible escapes
Gadgets
Exotic locale
Bad guy with distinguishing scars
Booze

What more do you guys want?

Thnikkaman · « **Reply #33 on:** 20 Oct 2006, 05:31 »

To supplement the above:

New Casino Royale Trailer

Man, I gotta see this movie.

EDIT: hlaghlaghlag I just realised that Mnementh posted the same link above. Fortunately, the trailer is woth a second viewing.

elcapitan · « **Reply #34 on:** 21 Oct 2006, 01:17 »

Personally, I think this has the potential to be the best Bond movie since, well, Goldfinger. Fuck it, probably better than that.

Daniel Craig has exactly what's needed - a brutal edge. Fuck Brosnan's mincing Thomas-Crown approach, that's old and tired and unbelievable. Bond needs to be portrayed as uncomfortable, slightly unstable, and hard as cast iron nails.

I'll go and see this at the movies. Which is more than I did for the last two Bond flicks.

Mnementh · « **Reply #35 on:** 21 Oct 2006, 01:43 »

Yeah, Bond either needs to be played like this, or in the very tongue in cheek manner in which Sean Connery played him.

bff · « **Reply #36 on:** 22 Oct 2006, 00:00 »

I'm not sure where I stand on the new Bond flick yet, but I feel poor Bronsan needs some defending:

If he had gotten the role back when he was supposed to, there would not have been any Dalton-era Bond, which is best not mentioned. Bond is supposed to be smooth, drink vast quantities of martinis, and screw every chick in sight. Most of these elements were lost before Bronsan took over, and afterwards the movies became 2 hour infomercials with explosions. The only reason the Bond franchise managed to survive at all was because Bronsan was able to get Bond's smoothness across despite the crap scripts.

Jimmy the Squid · « **Reply #37 on:** 22 Oct 2006, 05:25 »

I gotta agree, Brosnan made a really good Bond, especially with the material he was given. Brosnan was all that made Die Another Day not totally ridiculous*

*If it was totally ridiculous I still would have loved it. Possibly more so...

elcapitan · « **Reply #38 on:** 22 Oct 2006, 09:15 »

Brosnan's Bond worked really well in Goldeneye, I say. The rest of them... Nah.

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