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Re: The Guitar Topic
« Reply #3000 on: 15 Oct 2008, 04:14 »

Yeah, it definitely does play differently with and without the buzz stop. With the buzz stop you get some sustain and a more solid feel I think, but you lose some of the airiness and life in the sound... I dig the short sustain thing the Jazzmasters and especially Jaguars have going for them. 11s are recommended for Jazzmaster by most players, but I have 10s on mine right now, will get 11s on next time. I think her name is spelt Bilinda with an i in there. By the way, if you find the buzz is coming from the saddles, especially if the saddles seem to lower themselves as you play by way of the screws working themselves out, this usually stops happening after time (with bridge gunk) or if you put some loctite (not the high strength one) on them they'll stick enough to not move round but still be adjustable. If you need any more info about Jazzmasters and stuff  http://www.offsetguitars.com is a good little forum which I frequent. Hope you're enjoying the guitar :D
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« Reply #3001 on: 16 Oct 2008, 22:05 »

Sounds good Tehz, Fralins are great pickups. Check the bridge thing and the buzz stop, some guitar techs fuck up Jazzmasters and Jaguars good trying to "fix" them. I personally am not a fan of buzz stops- my Jaguar came with one and it sounds livelier without, and the vibrato works better. If the bridge is stuck still I'd consider that to be a bad thing, it was designed to rock (back and forth). But as long as everything works fine you should be right.

Beastmouth, the only other consideration (electronics excluded) is the vibrato tailpiece, which is far superior on the AVRIs. It gets a lot of use on my AVRI but I never touch it on CIJs.
Makes sense.  The copy on my SX (rondo) is so horrendous.  I get maybe +/- 2 cents from it.  Despite it being a lefty, I plan to see about replacing it with an American Fender one when I get around to replacing the bridge p/u.  I've just got so much other stuff to get, like a neck for a lefty Strat body I got for free.  Oh, and I need to get another keyboard stand so my new (older than I am) DX-7 can hang out with my PolySix. 

On the buzzstop issue, fuck that noise.  The beauty of the Jazzmaster/Jaguar design is that it's like a violin : the distance from the tail to the bridge is 1/6 that of the bridge to the nut.  Coincidentally, the inability of anyone under 3m tall to hold a viola built to similar specifications led to it being constructed differently, and generally sounding like wet shit. 

P.S. if y'all wanna get into vintage instruments, forget guitars.  Go for some awesome synths.  As a bonus, you'll usually get a huge difference in sound, even between similar types.
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« Reply #3002 on: 18 Oct 2008, 15:19 »

So I did none of what I said I would and just put some .11's on my Jazzmaster, and I love it three times more than I did before I even took the buzzstop off. It sounds and plays better than it ever has now, and I didn't even get a set-up or anything.

So yeah, just putting heavier strings on was definitely the way to go.
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« Reply #3003 on: 18 Oct 2008, 23:22 »

Everything sounds better with .11s on it, even bass!  As a matter of fact, I leave an extra set sittin on my synth just for extra tone! 
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« Reply #3004 on: 19 Oct 2008, 09:23 »

Everything sounds better with .11s on it, even bass!  As a matter of fact, I leave an extra set sittin on my synth just for extra tone! 

Quoted for truth, I've got .11's on my strat and it sounds juicy.  Though, that being said, I have .10's on My Firebird and it, of course, is pure sex.  I'm actually thinking of putting the Red David Gilmour set of GHS Boomers on my bird next time I change them, see how they sound; they're basically tens after all.
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« Reply #3005 on: 19 Oct 2008, 20:43 »

I use 10s, even when I tune my low E down to B. Then I can get these crazy bends that are like 3 steps up
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« Reply #3006 on: 19 Oct 2008, 20:45 »

I've been thinking of switching to .10's on my Dano.  I've got .11's on there now, and they sound pretty good, but when I play barre chords (which I do a lot, I'm mostly rhythm) they sound mushy, and eventually my thumb gets really really tired.  And seeing as the U-1 is a tiny guitar any way, it seems reasonable that it could take lighter strings.
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« Reply #3007 on: 19 Oct 2008, 21:03 »

I like tens, bright with a nice, warm tone.
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« Reply #3008 on: 20 Oct 2008, 00:21 »

I use .9s on my guitar because I'm a PUSSY but I'm a bit scared of fussing with the truss rod (and possibly having to grind the nut or fix the intonation) to go up in gauge. Are there any ways to make upgrading string gauge not a horrendous ordeal (if it is one at all)?
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« Reply #3009 on: 20 Oct 2008, 00:33 »

I was used to 12s for a while, and I've still got them on my Firebird. My Tele Custom came stock with 9s, and I've become REALLY used to them, to the point where the 12s only feel comfortable downtuned.
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« Reply #3010 on: 20 Oct 2008, 03:10 »

Yeah, for a while I had .13's downtuned to C standard, and I was so used to them that when I got lighter gauge strings I destroyed like three sets in two weeks.
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« Reply #3011 on: 20 Oct 2008, 18:45 »

While I agree wholeheartedly that .11s are superior to .10s, they are a bit excessive considering the kind of music I play (poppy psychedelic stuff and blues rock, primarily). I find that because my fingers are more used to the lighter gauge, I get a nicer tone out of them.

I love how we come back to the string gauge pissing contest every 10-odd pages.
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« Reply #3012 on: 21 Oct 2008, 02:13 »

recently, my neck of my Martin came off the body of my guitar (yes i dropped it).

anyway, she is all fixed but the guy who set it back up lowered the action too much... im used to high action and it is so low that its even lower than my les paul...

Man how is this a bad thing.

I got my AVRI Jaguar at the beginning of September. This thing is absolutely everything I ever wanted. Bright, snappy pickup response sortof like a Telecaster, but with the added benefit of a rock-solid tremolo and a rhythm circuit (and the sawtooth 'keeper' surrounding the pickup does wonders in avoiding that 60-cycle hum). So when I finally managed to sell my SG shortly after, I didn't really miss her that much.

Some interesting quirks about this guitar are mostly related to string changing. For example, the tuners are true to the original in that they don't have a hole drilled perpendicular to the post, but rather drilled from the top as if to make it into a thick-walled cylinder. The very tip of the post also has a groove cut into the top. It makes string changing a bitch and a half, because it involves taking the string, wrapping it around the post 3 times, cutting it so that there's a maximum of 3cm left, and then sticking the cut-off end into the hole. It's a goddamned pain, I don't know what the fuck Leo Fender was thinking when he designed it. A side note, though: in terms of tuning stability, they're rock solid. No complaints there, and it's pretty well worth it.

Another interesting thing is that with the 24" scale, it takes less effort to bend notes. That also means there's less string fatigue, and so your strings pretty much last as long as you're willing to let them. Which is nice, because I will never get over how much of a pain in the ass it is to restring the fucker.

Another sortof weird quirk is that after you've gone through the absolute agony of restringing, tuning up, stretching your strings and then retuning, you have to divebomb the tremolo bar all the way to the body and center the bridge, then ease up on the tremolo slowly. Otherwise, with the bridge doing that floaty thing that it does so well, you're going to wind up with the bridge leaning ever so slightly toward the nut. And if you don't know better, you're just going to think that you're having intonation issues, and you'll wind up making a hell of a lot of work for yourself.

Aside from that, it's absolutely the finest instrument I've ever laid hands on. The neck shape is perfect for my hand, I have no fret access issues on the upper frets, and I will be damned if you can find me an instrument with better looks than these.

Oh and I -really- love playing "Impossible Germany" and "Little Wing".
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« Reply #3013 on: 21 Oct 2008, 04:17 »

recently, my neck of my Martin came off the body of my guitar (yes i dropped it).

anyway, she is all fixed but the guy who set it back up lowered the action too much... im used to high action and it is so low that its even lower than my les paul...

Man how is this a bad thing.

I got my AVRI Jaguar at the beginning of September. This thing is absolutely everything I ever wanted. Bright, snappy pickup response sortof like a Telecaster, but with the added benefit of a rock-solid tremolo and a rhythm circuit (and the sawtooth 'keeper' surrounding the pickup does wonders in avoiding that 60-cycle hum). So when I finally managed to sell my SG shortly after, I didn't really miss her that much.

Some interesting quirks about this guitar are mostly related to string changing. For example, the tuners are true to the original in that they don't have a hole drilled perpendicular to the post, but rather drilled from the top as if to make it into a thick-walled cylinder. The very tip of the post also has a groove cut into the top. It makes string changing a bitch and a half, because it involves taking the string, wrapping it around the post 3 times, cutting it so that there's a maximum of 3cm left, and then sticking the cut-off end into the hole. It's a goddamned pain, I don't know what the fuck Leo Fender was thinking when he designed it. A side note, though: in terms of tuning stability, they're rock solid. No complaints there, and it's pretty well worth it.

Another interesting thing is that with the 24" scale, it takes less effort to bend notes. That also means there's less string fatigue, and so your strings pretty much last as long as you're willing to let them. Which is nice, because I will never get over how much of a pain in the ass it is to restring the fucker.

Another sortof weird quirk is that after you've gone through the absolute agony of restringing, tuning up, stretching your strings and then retuning, you have to divebomb the tremolo bar all the way to the body and center the bridge, then ease up on the tremolo slowly. Otherwise, with the bridge doing that floaty thing that it does so well, you're going to wind up with the bridge leaning ever so slightly toward the nut. And if you don't know better, you're just going to think that you're having intonation issues, and you'll wind up making a hell of a lot of work for yourself.

Aside from that, it's absolutely the finest instrument I've ever laid hands on. The neck shape is perfect for my hand, I have no fret access issues on the upper frets, and I will be damned if you can find me an instrument with better looks than these.

Oh and I -really- love playing "Impossible Germany" and "Little Wing".

AVRI JAGUAR CLUB HI 5

Man the tuners are the bomb. The trick is to pull the string two tuners past the string post, then clip it, then just stick it in the hole and wind. Easy as pie, sure beats the stupid pokey hole Gibsons and newer Fenders have.
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Re: The Guitar Topic
« Reply #3014 on: 21 Oct 2008, 05:16 »

While I agree wholeheartedly that .11s are superior to .10s, they are a bit excessive considering the kind of music I play (poppy psychedelic stuff and blues rock, primarily). I find that because my fingers are more used to the lighter gauge, I get a nicer tone out of them.

I love how we come back to the string gauge pissing contest every 10-odd pages.

Isn't playing 9s more of a weak stream than say, challenge pissing?
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« Reply #3015 on: 21 Oct 2008, 06:04 »

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« Reply #3016 on: 21 Oct 2008, 11:18 »

.8s = gout
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« Reply #3017 on: 21 Oct 2008, 13:16 »

AVRI JAGUAR CLUB HI 5

Man the tuners are the bomb. The trick is to pull the string two tuners past the string post, then clip it, then just stick it in the hole and wind. Easy as pie, sure beats the stupid pokey hole Gibsons and newer Fenders have.

FUCK YEAH AVRI JAGS o/

That seems a hell of a lot easier than what I've been doing, for sure. And don't get me wrong, the little pokey hole on the newer-style tuners works fine, and I'm just bitching because I'm not used to the vintage ones. Mostly I just hate having to hold my thumb atop the string to keep the little bastard from falling out of the post hole.
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« Reply #3018 on: 22 Oct 2008, 00:29 »

Anyone have any hand-on experience with the jaguar hh? Is it as good as the avri? Also...

THIS JUST IN:

Got my strat re-fretted, action adjusted, new set of strings, the finish on the neck cleaned and DAMN DO I FEEL GOOD.

Plays like an absolute dream now.

MORE AT 10!
How much did the refret set you back?
I'm wondering if I should get one for my homemade tele or just do it myself.  I already made a fretpuller to get them out on an old Squier P bass I made fretless, but filling in with wood-filler obv leaves more room for screwups than putting frets back on. 
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« Reply #3019 on: 22 Oct 2008, 03:26 »

At my school in the common room, somebody from a past year left behind an old guitar, a spider bridge resonator type guitar labeled as a 'Wayne Amplyphone'.  It plays like crap: the machine heads squeak and groan when tuning, its missing a fret, there is irritating buzz from the nut, and the strings feel like they are years old, but the guitar still intrigues me (probably because I get massive hard-ons for resonators/dobros). I haven't tried playing slide on it yet, as I only found it yesterday, but I'll try that out tomorrow and see how it goes.

This is what it looks like (google brought me this image).



According to the limited information I could find, these guitars were made in Melbourne for only a short period in the 60s and 70s, and I'm wondering if all this guitar needs is a good set up. I'll see what I can do for this guitar and if it cleans up nicely, I've scored myself a resonator guys.
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« Reply #3020 on: 22 Oct 2008, 12:57 »

The thing I'd worry about with refretting is that fretwire has those little barbs that help them stick into the wood of your fretboard, and pulling frets can really fuck your shit up if you don't do it right. So leaving it to the pros is probably the better investment anyway. I'd probably off myself if I went and I fucked up the fretboard on a '69 vintage Olympic white Strat.
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« Reply #3021 on: 23 Oct 2008, 00:10 »

The thing I'd worry about with refretting is that fretwire has those little barbs that help them stick into the wood of your fretboard, and pulling frets can really fuck your shit up if you don't do it right. So leaving it to the pros is probably the better investment anyway. I'd probably off myself if I went and I fucked up the fretboard on a '69 vintage Olympic white Strat.
But you wouldn't even use 12000 grit to smooth the back of your neck!  :-p

Also, guess I'd better buy some fretwire.  To get them out I'll use my soldering iron to heat them, and have a chat with some luthier pals...
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« Reply #3022 on: 30 Oct 2008, 19:11 »

Whoa whoa whoa this thread cannot die.

Recommend me acoustics up to $500.  Anyone have/know of any good ones?
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« Reply #3023 on: 30 Oct 2008, 19:49 »

Alvarez sound really good and tend to be less than $500. Also, Seagulls sound good.
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« Reply #3024 on: 30 Oct 2008, 20:08 »

Just don't go for the low-end Seagulls. They look nice but sound kind of weak.
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« Reply #3025 on: 30 Oct 2008, 21:02 »

I like the sound of my Ovation CC24 Celebrity, and I got that for only $300
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« Reply #3026 on: 30 Oct 2008, 22:23 »

Only get an Ovation if you want to sound like you're playing rubber bands stretched over a cookie tin.  Seriously, I've heard some Ovations, and they sound tinny and thin.  I definitely second Alvarez acoustics.  They are fantastic for their price.  I found one that was all mahogany (I think) in a dark sunburst, and it had the nicest, most mellow and warm tone ever.
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« Reply #3027 on: 31 Oct 2008, 03:40 »

I got my '53 Kay flattop for $200 even on eBay. eBay is definitely a legit option, as long as you're willing and ready to do a little bit of setup and/or salvage work just in case you don't quite get as good a deal as you think you're getting.
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« Reply #3028 on: 31 Oct 2008, 05:25 »

Whoa whoa whoa this thread cannot die.

Recommend me acoustics up to $500.  Anyone have/know of any good ones?

We kinda took over the Pedal thread with Jazzmaster porn. Speaking of, I am going to build a custom Jazzmaster clone in the spring! Turns out Fender never actually made them in Sherwood Green Metallic, but I am.

..Have any of you guys finished a body before? It's going to be a completely new experience for me.
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« Reply #3029 on: 31 Oct 2008, 05:51 »

Ugh, Ovations are a terrible idea. I second the rubber-band/cookie tin sound, those things are terrible. Also, my friend has one and the top split from the plastic bowl because of a heat wave in the middle of winter, so if you live in a place where the climate changes a lot, I wouldn't recommend it.
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« Reply #3030 on: 31 Oct 2008, 06:19 »

Wait dude, why would you want to buy a vintage bass (much more expensive, more brownie points) if you're looking for something you can beat on without worry?

Also, you're Kabir's new bassist right? (I'm a friend of his, Eugene, we used to play together and I know the rest of your bandmates)

Yeah, we talked on AIM last night.

I'm not looking for, like, a high-end vintage bass...more like a Univox or an old copy brand.

Don't know if you're still looking but... you can get a cheap Epiphone for $150 new. This is not the one I have but you can see what I mean. Then use it to experiment and figure out what you really want in a bass. I don't think any vintage bass is going to be as cheap as an off-brand or B-stock and then you can customize to your preferences. I'm still playing my Epiphone without any alterations (except new strings!) and it sounds fine to me. I'm still a beginner on the bass.

Any opinions here on the Ibanez Jet King? I've heard it's really customizable and good for noisy shit. And of course, the fact that it looks like a Jazzmaster at a non-Jazzmaster cost doesn't hurt. So far I can't find any stores around that sell them, the local place is nothing but Strat copies. It seems like something that might be more gloss than substance, but considering that I'm going to be routing the sound through two distortion pedals and a dirty speaker anyway, that might not make a difference.

But speaking of Strat copies, I'm thinking of pulling mine down from the attic and making some radical alterations to it, which will probably destroy the guitar completely but I've always wanted to look inside one of those things. The local store will only give me $20 trade-in for it, so why not?

Also, I am getting my first proper amp! A Crate 18 watt 2 speaker tube amp. I have always wanted a tube amp and I am so excited.
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« Reply #3031 on: 31 Oct 2008, 06:35 »

Man, I don't know what you're all talking about.  I've got an Ovation CC11 Celebrity and it sounds great.  It's out of production now though...
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« Reply #3032 on: 31 Oct 2008, 06:42 »

I played the black Jet King in the store and it was pretty awesome. The fretboard was really nice, and played well... It's got some really nice features, like being able to coil-tap the humbuckers to single coils so there were a lot of possibilities - jangly, dark, lots of sustain, it's all there. It's one of those guitars that I'd buy if I suddenly came into some money (Christmas bonus, perhaps?) plus it looks hella cool, kind of like an airline map or something. The downsides were that it was kind of noisy and the tailpiece was really weird, but I like noisy and weird is good with me too.
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« Reply #3033 on: 31 Oct 2008, 07:33 »

Man, I don't know what you're all talking about.  I've got an Ovation CC11 Celebrity and it sounds great.  It's out of production now though...

I don't know.  The top end models seem to sound alright, but cheaper models sound like tin cans.
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« Reply #3034 on: 31 Oct 2008, 07:39 »

They only sound good to my ears when they're plugged in. And even then it's nowhere near as beautiful sounding as a full-bodied acoustic.
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« Reply #3035 on: 31 Oct 2008, 23:02 »

Not gonna lie, best-sounding guitar I've ever played (other than my dad's '37 Kay) was my friend's teacher's Breedlove. That is about as unhelpful as one can get when you're talking about a $300 budget, but god damn, those things are art in every possible way.
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« Reply #3036 on: 01 Nov 2008, 11:51 »

This is what I play:



Since I've only been playing for about two months I have no idea about most of what you guys are talking about, but I have been thinking about switching out the pickups. Any suggestions?

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« Reply #3037 on: 01 Nov 2008, 12:02 »

Why?  They're Duncans, right?
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« Reply #3038 on: 01 Nov 2008, 12:20 »

Yeah both Duncan P90s.
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« Reply #3039 on: 01 Nov 2008, 12:41 »

What don't you like about them?
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« Reply #3040 on: 01 Nov 2008, 12:52 »

Well the neck pickup works great, I just don't see much of a difference between it and the bridge. So basically when I play I really just use the neck, and completely ignore the other.
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« Reply #3041 on: 01 Nov 2008, 13:46 »

Man that is a really nice looking guitar. I may just have to find $230 and pick it up as a back-up guitar that I can beat around.

With all due respect DarkAvenger, if you've only been playing for two months you probably don't hear the difference out of lack of experience, not because the pick-ups suck. I was probably playing for over a year when I realized the intricate differences as well as the obvious ones between bridge and neck positions.

They're not meant to sound completely, drastically different. One is treblier and hotter and the other is bassier and darker but in ways that don't strike you full-on.
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« Reply #3042 on: 01 Nov 2008, 14:30 »

I completely understand. Experience and possibly a better amp (I use a Fender Frontman 15g that I got from my dad) and I should be able to appreciate the difference. Pickups shall stay.

Also I only paid about $150 for it, and have had no other problems.
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« Reply #3043 on: 01 Nov 2008, 14:38 »

Oh lord yeah. That amp has two sounds: "over-trebly squeegee clean" and "mind-numbingly distorted"
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« Reply #3044 on: 01 Nov 2008, 14:48 »

Worst thing is it also has only two volume settings: "Am I even plugged in?" and "HOLY SHIT MY EARS ARE BLEEDING". I'm thinking about saving up for a Line 6 Spider III 15, as a practice amp and eventually upgrade from that.
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« Reply #3045 on: 01 Nov 2008, 15:01 »

Get an Epiphone Valve Junior.  Or, These are pretty cheap and sound fantastic, according to this Gearwire walkthrough.
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« Reply #3046 on: 01 Nov 2008, 15:13 »

I wanted a Valve Jr. really bad at one point and after meticulous research decided that the Blackheart Little Giant half-stack is more worth it.
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« Reply #3047 on: 01 Nov 2008, 15:40 »

My friend uses that Blackheart cab with his Tiny Terror.  It's pretty great.
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« Reply #3048 on: 01 Nov 2008, 16:24 »

Actually, I want a Tiny Terror too. But I'd use that as a live amp, most likely with an Orange cab. The Blackheart I want as a practice amp, 'cause my current practice gear suuucks.
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« Reply #3049 on: 01 Nov 2008, 16:25 »

Speaking of amps, can anyone suggest a good low budget upgrade from the Bassola 10 that came with my Dean Edge 09?
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