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Re: Fallout 3
« Reply #400 on: 31 Oct 2008, 13:33 »

Let me tell you about my trip to Minefield.

A small house lies on its outskirts. Ducking inside, I found the place abandoned and empty. I moved methodically through the rooms and stripped them of valuables and, girding myself, ventured out of the house towards the centre of town. About ten steps in I hit a mine. Crippled, I moved towards the shelter of a nearby ruin to heal myself. While I did this, someone fired a portable nuclear bomb about twenty yards to my right. Stunned, I walked right onto another landmine and exploded.

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Re: Fallout 3
« Reply #401 on: 01 Nov 2008, 09:52 »

I found a guy hiding in a comic shop with a MINIGUN.  FUCK YEAH.  Also, there's a text-based adventure on one of the terminals there.
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Re: Fallout 3
« Reply #402 on: 01 Nov 2008, 10:11 »

All the Fallout fanboys who were poised over their keyboards ready to pick this game apart must feel pretty stupid.  There's no doubt this is just an excellent game.  I predict even Yahtzee will like it.
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Re: Fallout 3
« Reply #403 on: 01 Nov 2008, 12:29 »

All the Fallout fanboys who were poised over their keyboards ready to pick this game apart must feel pretty stupid.  There's no doubt this is just an excellent game.  I predict even Yahtzee will like it.
If you're comparing the game to its predecessors, it's not half as good. And if you didn't really enjoy the 70 percent or so of Oblivion that's been retained through to Fallout 3, the shitty animation, the awful VA, the bland dialog (though there's so much more of it now, yay!), the simplistic and confused combat, the engine in general, you won't like it.

Thus far, I'm getting the same vibe from it I got from Oblivion, which is to say, this has a single playthrough before it gets dreadfully boring. Like Oblivion, it's only real strength is its combat, and unlike Oblivion, Fallout 3's combat is predicated on a gimmick. It's got a lot of razzmatazz that's fairly engaging for the first time through, but good lord, going through 95% of this game's content more than once is going to be a fucking chore.
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Re: Fallout 3
« Reply #404 on: 01 Nov 2008, 17:31 »

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Re: Fallout 3
« Reply #405 on: 01 Nov 2008, 18:01 »

I gotta agree with KvP here. I've played some Fallout 3, and so far, I haven't particularly liked it all that much. The writing is OK, but it's not as funny and irreverent as Fallout 2 nor as engrossing as Fallout 1. I'm picky about my voice acting and animations; if you can't avoid Uncanny Valleyville, I don't give a shit about how pretty the rest of your game is, I just plain start to lose interest. I know it sounds unfair, but I don't mind filling in the blanks mentally thanks to years of playing text based games as much as I mind poor voice acting (this is one of the many reasons why you rarely hear me singing Capcom's praises). So unless your voice acting is as good as that as in say, Mass Effect or PoP:TSOT, you're doing naught but introducing another potential point of failure into my gaming experience. Luckily, I don't think Fallout 3 is as bad as Oblivion in that respect, so I'm comfortable in saying it's a fairly decent game. I just doubt like hell that it'll hold my attention as long as either of the originals.
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Re: Fallout 3
« Reply #406 on: 01 Nov 2008, 20:28 »

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Re: Fallout 3
« Reply #407 on: 02 Nov 2008, 00:11 »

I stand by what I said.  I just got to Rivet City last night and everything is just done so well.

Granted, I'm willing to accept that it's just because I prefer the story/vibe/dialogue to the Elder Scrolls games, but honestly this just FEELS like Fallout 1/2 to me, in the dialogue and quests and so forth.  Sure, the combat is very simplistic, but it was just as simplistic in Fallout 1/2, really.  All I ever did in those games was "target: head" and that's at least somewhat diffferentiated here by, for example, being able to fire a missile launcher at some snipers.

I hope the game doesn't bug because, on the way to the GNC station, I found Dukov's place and agree'd to take Cherry Darling to Rivet Town, and once I got there and talked to Ms. Li it automatically assumed I had found GNC.

I don't know, all I can say is that I hated Morrowind and Oblivion for various niggling reasons but I honestly can't complain about anything in this game yet.

Oh and after I "saved" Cherry I went back and blew Dukov's fucking head off.  Man, that felt good.
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Re: Fallout 3
« Reply #408 on: 02 Nov 2008, 11:19 »

How did you get the option to take Cherry? I visited Dukov but was never able to do anything particularly exciting besides looting his booze cabinet.
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Re: Fallout 3
« Reply #409 on: 02 Nov 2008, 12:12 »

Damn it I wish I could play this! My computer is definitely not up to snuff and I don't own a 360. I'm more and more tempted to get one but I know the downsides i.e. I would get very little work done and be much poorer. Still, this game sounds really awesome and I know I'm missing out. Tis sad.
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Re: Fallout 3
« Reply #410 on: 02 Nov 2008, 12:27 »

Good news for you degenerate PC gamers out there, in spite of a lack of SDK support there are some minor modifications already released by the online community. Some of which are predictable ("better underwear", "pearl-handled sword" etc. etc.) and some of which are pretty damn good (bettering the music, removing waypoints from the map)
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Re: Fallout 3
« Reply #411 on: 02 Nov 2008, 12:40 »

Not exactly, Mark Morgan just blatantly ripped off the Aphex Twin :P

But I don't know. I'm sure with an SDK you could definitely implement alternative radio stations.

That's a really good idea, actually.
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Re: Fallout 3
« Reply #412 on: 02 Nov 2008, 13:26 »

It's easy enough to substitute music. Rip out the sounds.bsa archive, recode and rename your music to replace any of the music in the archive, then repack. The problem is creating new radio stations, which, while I'm sure I can do it without an SDK, it'll be a whole lot harder.
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Re: Fallout 3
« Reply #413 on: 02 Nov 2008, 14:17 »

I hope the game doesn't bug because, on the way to the GNC station, I found Dukov's place and agree'd to take Cherry Darling to Rivet Town, and once I got there and talked to Ms. Li it automatically assumed I had found GNC.

same thing happened to me.

Oh and after I "saved" Cherry I went back and blew Dukov's fucking head off.  Man, that felt good.

i hope you waited till you got the "You Gotta Shoot 'Em in the Head" quest.
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Re: Fallout 3
« Reply #414 on: 03 Nov 2008, 10:36 »

How did you get the option to take Cherry?

I'm not sure.  I'm playing a female character with Black Widow and high Charisma and Speech, but I don't see why those should have mattered, because IIRC the dialogue wasn't me convincing her to leave, she said something like "This place is safe, but I'd rather be in Rivet Town".  Maybe it's because I was already on my way there to find a home for the little kid.  Maybe Rivet Town has to be on your map before she asks you to escort her there?

I don't even think I got much XP or Karma for doing it, and she doesn't really do anything fun once she settles in to Rivet, either.  Kind of a letdown, I thought she'd open up a shop there or something, but you can't even talk to her afterwards, she just says "Yeah yeah, you're my hero... seriously though, thanks for getting me out of there."

And no, I don't think Dukov gives any quests.  Fantasia gets mad if you kill him, though, so I had to take her out, too.  I found a key on his body that doesn't appear to open anything in his house.   :?
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Re: Fallout 3
« Reply #415 on: 03 Nov 2008, 11:36 »

I'm pretty sure that key is for a quest you get from a ghoul in Underworld.
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Re: Fallout 3
« Reply #416 on: 03 Nov 2008, 11:38 »

Found out what I was doing wrong with Cherry. I'm playing a good character, so instead of calling her a whore to trigger the Rivet City dialog, I was nice to her.
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« Reply #417 on: 03 Nov 2008, 11:59 »

So I finally figured out how to hack effectively.  And the rewards are totally worth it.  I found my Power Fist this way!  Unfortunately I have shitty unarmed damage.  I will have to make another character for unarmed, melee, and big guns.  But I just love wondering around to fuck knows where. 

Also, I'm fairly certain enemies aren't leveled in the same way they used to be.  I am giving noticeably more damage out to Super Mutants (like, 3 shotgun blasts to the face and they're done, whereas before I had to empty my entire assault rifle), and Radroaches don't attack me unless I'm within 5 feet, and they go down in one from whatever I have.  And the Bloody Mess perk makes things significantly gorier.  I threw a grenade and it delimbed a Super Mutant entirely.  There was his torso and forelegs and forearms, and bits of him spread out in a 20 foot radius.  I also love that you can search their eyeballs and still access the rest of their inventory.
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Re: Fallout 3
« Reply #418 on: 03 Nov 2008, 12:05 »

How DO you hack effectively? I can't figure them out worth shit.

Also, for those that don't know, any storage items you own specifically (like lockers inside your Megaton house) will not refresh or empty contents, so you can store all of your shit inside your house with no problem. I'm carrying about 500lbs of weapons, apparel, food, meds, and ammo inside my refrigerator!
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« Reply #419 on: 03 Nov 2008, 12:30 »

Say you pick STATUES as a first word.  It says you got 3/7 correct, which means that 3 of those letters are in the right place.  So there's probably a word out there using STA as the first three letters.  Kinda like Password, except with words instead of colors.  Also, if you find any bracket pair "(,{, or [" that's closed on the same line, you can use those to get rid of dud words or replenish the amount of tries you have.  The short ones (3 or 4 characters) replenish, the others remove incorrect answers.
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Re: Fallout 3
« Reply #420 on: 03 Nov 2008, 12:43 »

yeah, i was so happy when i actually read the manual and it told me everything i needed to know about hacking. i couldn't hack worth shit before i figured out the stuff about the brackets.

also, in case anyone was doing what i did,  if you only have one attempt left and can't find anymore brackets JUST GIVE UP AND TRY AGAIN SO YOU DON'T GET LOCKED OUT FOREVER NO MATTER HOW SURE YOU ARE THAT YOU KNOW THE ANSWER.
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Re: Fallout 3
« Reply #421 on: 03 Nov 2008, 12:45 »

Sometimes the short hidden characters in hacking replenish my tries, which is kind of frustrating when I haven't even used any.  Yeah, hacking can be totally worth it, I found a ripper thanks to hacking.  I generally just pick random words until I'm one try away from being locked out, then start over and hope that I pick the right one.
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Re: Fallout 3
« Reply #422 on: 03 Nov 2008, 13:12 »

I've tried to avoid too many spoilers (except this thread) but damn it, I just found out there's an entire town you can't access unless you're Evil, and while it would be simple to just steal a bunch of coffee mugs to get down to Evil status, it seems like it would be really hard (or expensive, donating to churches) to get my Good karma status back.

Well, I'm off to find Dogmeat and do some random exploring now that I finally have a lot of ammo again (though I'm pretty broke).
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Re: Fallout 3
« Reply #423 on: 03 Nov 2008, 14:34 »

so i finally was able to afford the schematics for the Railway Rifle (or whatever it's called) and holy shit is it satisfying to pin people's limbs to walls. espescially if you can manage to pin their head to the wall perfectly upright and facing outwards.

it's like a hunting trophy: the most dangerous game, fallout style.


...while it would be simple to just steal a bunch of coffee mugs to get down to Evil status, it seems like it would be really hard (or expensive, donating to churches) to get my Good karma status back.

did you save Megaton? if so, just get a bunch of purified water from Wadsworth, go to sleep for a day or two, repeat, then when you've built up a good reserve of the stuff just give it to the bum outside (rinse and repeat as necessary). yeah, it's time-consuming, but it's simple and free.
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Re: Fallout 3
« Reply #424 on: 03 Nov 2008, 19:40 »

Can someone give me a more detailed explanation of hacking? What you're saying still doesn't make a lick of sense. Or better yet, scan the manual for me. I'm using the Steam version and can't find a pdf anywhere.

I understood the x/x system for right/wrong, but there are so many choices I usually get borked anyways. Out of four tries, the first is a wildcard, the second is to see which (if any) of the original characters were actually right, and the third and fourth are to narrow those guesses. This bracket shit makes no sense.
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« Reply #425 on: 03 Nov 2008, 20:23 »

Right, so after aquiring The Shocker and having the Bloody Mess perk (I have literally never played a Fallout character without it when available) I quickly decided to start over again as a mean as hell, uncharismatic melee character, who is really agile and really strong. Is it doable?

Honestly, Agility is not necessary at all if you go melee since VATs doesn't let you target anything specific with melee weapons.
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Re: Fallout 3
« Reply #426 on: 03 Nov 2008, 20:31 »

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i assume you understand the password part right? it's pretty simple, you just guess a password and it tells you how many letters are correct (that includes the location within the word) so, by using process of elimination, you should be able to figure out the correct password.*

the part that's actually weird is the secret bracket bonuses or whatever you want to call them.
these are the brackets in question:
<>
{}
[]
()

they have to be facing each other, like above, and they have to be on the same line (i think). the tricky part, is that they can have any number of random characters in between them, including more brackets. sometimes you can even get the same brackets used for two different Bracket Bonuses, for example: {df=}*/} OR <<> etc. etc.
the important thing to remember is that you can't just put your cursor anywhere within the Bonus Brackets to claim your prize, it has to be on the left side bracket (you'll know because it will highlight the whole sequence, just like for the passwords).
also, it doesn't count against your number of attempts to use these so use all you can find. the most i've found on one screen was three or four, the least was zero (there may have been one, but i sure as shit couldn't find it).

i find the most effective way to use them is use up two password guesses before you use any brackets you've found since there's a chance it could replenish your attempts and you wouldn't want to waste it. also, like i said before, if you get down to one attempt left and no brackets, just exit the screen and try again from the beginning.


*in theory anyway. most of my succesful hacks have been alot of luck.



P.S. damnit i broke the "You Gotta Shoot 'Em in the Head" quest. i can't even fail it now because it keeps telling me to deliver all these keys to a guy who i personally vaporized. i fucking hate loose ends. espescially when they are a glitch and undeserved.

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Re: Fallout 3
« Reply #427 on: 03 Nov 2008, 21:08 »

Typically 4 characters or less (including the brackets) is a replenish-your-attempts.  More than that is usually remove an incorrect password.  So far that's been completely true for me.  For me, guessing the password goes something like this:

Find all the dud-removers (1-3, usually)
MELTING 3/7 (probably a word ending in ING, but it could be something like MEATWAD)
FISHING 4/7 (definitely ending in ING, one of the first four letters is in place, so I go looking for choices with that set up)
NICKING 6/7 (by now there is usually only one or two choices left that only have a one letter difference)
If you haven't had as much luck with these guesses, find a replenisher or back out and start over.
PICKING *correct*


It's also kind of like those word puzzles where you have to get from COLD to BOAT by changing one letter at a time while still making an actual word:
COLD
COLT
COAT
BOAT

You just have to try and store the correct letters in their places in your head.
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Re: Fallout 3
« Reply #428 on: 03 Nov 2008, 21:53 »

did you save Megaton? if so, just get a bunch of purified water from Wadsworth, go to sleep for a day or two, repeat, then when you've built up a good reserve of the stuff just give it to the bum outside (rinse and repeat as necessary). yeah, it's time-consuming, but it's simple and free.

I got I think 4 waters from him a long time ago and he keeps saying he needs to "replenish his condensors" or whatever.  It's definitely been many in-game days and he still won't give me any more clean water.   :x

That said, I just got Dogmeat and I think I shall try to get to the Citadel to get the paladin chick to join me.

Also, what's up with this?  The suit from Burke boosts your Speech by 5, and the Sexy Sleepwear boosts your Charisma by 1, which should result in a +2 Speech bonus, but every time I've tried both, the Sexy Sleepwear makes my chance of a successful Speech check better than the suit does.  That doesn't make sense.   :?
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Re: Fallout 3
« Reply #429 on: 04 Nov 2008, 07:47 »

I believe the SPECIAL stats influence your skills by a factor of about 10; at least that's what it feels like to me. So someone who is very strong will be a much better melee fighter or pugilist than someone who is very skilled in those areas, or as in this example, someone who is naturally charismatic is going to be better at speaking than someone who is well trained in speechcraft.

At least that's my observation.

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« Reply #430 on: 04 Nov 2008, 09:43 »

What does the CHR bonus bump your CHR to?  You get a higher bonus depending on how many points you have already.
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Re: Fallout 3
« Reply #431 on: 04 Nov 2008, 12:13 »

Plus let's not forget how fun it is to plant a live grenade/landmine onto somebody! Any sneaky crap can be done nicely with a Stealth Boy, though. I have about 5 spare at this point, and I haven't even been to the radio station yet.

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« Reply #432 on: 04 Nov 2008, 13:01 »

Does this game just throw around the goodies? I was just through Fallout 1, and god damn, the Stealth boys were available in the last fucking place you ever went, ever.
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« Reply #433 on: 04 Nov 2008, 13:28 »

I am rolling up my Unarmed, Explosive Speaker.  I will punch a supermutant to fucking death.
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« Reply #434 on: 04 Nov 2008, 13:37 »

Out of curiosity, who is playing this on xbox 360, who on PS3, and who on PC? I always lean towards PC games when something is multi-platform b/c of the far richer mod community that exists and often makes a game infinitely better than its console counterparts but as far as control and graphics and that sort of thing go, what are people leaning towards?
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« Reply #435 on: 04 Nov 2008, 14:13 »

Playing on PC. Definitely looks better, I get to mod what I want. I understand why most people are playing the console versions, though.
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« Reply #436 on: 04 Nov 2008, 14:16 »

360, due to lack of a decent PC.  I've noticed some graphical hiccups (RANDOM SKIN HICCUPS AHOY), but nothing that wasn;t solved by a quick reload of the auto-save.
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« Reply #437 on: 04 Nov 2008, 14:25 »

PS3, because my computer is ancient.  I've heard there are slightly more bugs in the PC version than the consoles, which will undoubtedly be fixed at some point but from what I understand the PS3 version only bugs if you're signed in to the PSN, which obviously isn't necessary.
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« Reply #438 on: 04 Nov 2008, 14:30 »

The PC version has issues with memory leaks and a nasty refusal to cooperate with codecs. Beyond that, it runs fairly well.
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« Reply #439 on: 04 Nov 2008, 14:45 »

i play on 360 because i hate playing shooters on PC, and plus i work on a PC all day long (like right now) so the last thing i wanna do when i get home is get on another computer to play games.

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« Reply #440 on: 04 Nov 2008, 14:48 »

Fallout 3 is only a shooter if you hate fun and want to make things hard for yourself.

VATS uses so much less ammo and is just more fun.
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« Reply #441 on: 04 Nov 2008, 14:55 »

well, by "shooter" i mean "something that has me walking around in first person." of course i'm all about VATS for combat but i'd still have to walk around.

the whole keyboard/mouse thing is just not for me, i guess.
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« Reply #442 on: 04 Nov 2008, 15:18 »

Yeah I agree, I would hate to do all that walking with keyboard/mouse.
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« Reply #443 on: 04 Nov 2008, 15:52 »

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« Reply #444 on: 04 Nov 2008, 15:59 »

Just say that again after you get carpal tunnel. 


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« Reply #445 on: 04 Nov 2008, 16:03 »

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« Reply #446 on: 04 Nov 2008, 16:28 »

Am I the only one who uses third person most of the time, unless I have to look closely at a desk or whatever?  Having all those cool clothes in the game and not seeing it seems a bit of a waste.

I just kind of hate first-person in general really.
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« Reply #447 on: 04 Nov 2008, 16:33 »

i actually like being surprised by what my character looks like when i see him in VATS since it's not hard for me to forget, wandering around in first-person all the time.

it's like a special treat.


plus, it just doesn't feel as immersive or whatever in third person because the animations aren't that great. i get way more into it when i'm always in first person. it's like i'm really there.
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« Reply #448 on: 04 Nov 2008, 22:15 »

I can't find an answer to this anywhere:

If I become Evil to access Paradise Falls and buy Clover, will she leave if I revert to Good?
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« Reply #449 on: 04 Nov 2008, 22:27 »

Paradise Falls would be an excellent stripper name.

And it would make the verb phrase "access Paradise Falls" one hell of an entendre.
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