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Re: plans for the inevitable undead uprising
« Reply #750 on: 05 Mar 2008, 21:14 »

No, but they'd die. that's why they keep the fuck away from zombies.
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Re: plans for the inevitable undead uprising
« Reply #751 on: 06 Mar 2008, 21:26 »

You seem to miss my point. It's not the fact that it's rotten or moving that's discouraging them. It's the fact that IT'S A FUCKING ZOMBIE. Solanum has been around for ages, flies know they should avoid it by instinct.

Actually I always wondered about that.  There are butterflies that mimic the color of poisonous butterflies so they don't get eaten.  HOW THE HELL DO THEY KNOW TO DO THAT?  Think about it!  It's not like the butterflies that are getting eaten are warning the others off, nor are the ones that aren't getting eaten conscious of the fact that color has anything to do with being poisonous.  What part of survival instinct dictates this?  And how the hell do frogs and the like know that those colors are poisonous?  I didn't think frogs could see in color in the first place!

On the other hand, I thought that the guide mentioned that zombies smelled different than normal rotting flesh.  Perhaps they just dont smell like food?

To answer (or rather speculate) on the why zombies apparantly prefer humans, if we assume that the virus can only spread to humans and that the virus leaves the part of the brain responsible for the hunger sensation intact then we may also be able to assume that:

1. The virus has a way to generate a specific hunger for human flesh  OR
2. The desire to consume human flesh is innate and the virus leaves it intact as well

Forgive the Freudian jargon, but who knows what horrific desires our collective ego is responsible for repressing.  Furthermore, what psychoanalyst would want to deal with cannibalism.  Most don't even want to deal with oedipal tension...
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Re: plans for the inevitable undead uprising
« Reply #752 on: 06 Mar 2008, 23:46 »

Actually I always wondered about that.  There are butterflies that mimic the color of poisonous butterflies so they don't get eaten.  HOW THE HELL DO THEY KNOW TO DO THAT?  Think about it!  It's not like the butterflies that are getting eaten are warning the others off, nor are the ones that aren't getting eaten conscious of the fact that color has anything to do with being poisonous.  What part of survival instinct dictates this?  And how the hell do frogs and the like know that those colors are poisonous?  I didn't think frogs could see in color in the first place!
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Re: plans for the inevitable undead uprising
« Reply #753 on: 07 Mar 2008, 07:23 »

successful genetic mutations are fairly rare in wildlife.

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Re: plans for the inevitable undead uprising
« Reply #754 on: 07 Mar 2008, 07:27 »

Fairly rare? Tell it to every species on the planet that is still surviving, man.
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Re: plans for the inevitable undead uprising
« Reply #755 on: 07 Mar 2008, 11:39 »

No, he's right. For every genetic trait that succeeds, there has to be so much more that do nothing or fail.
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Re: plans for the inevitable undead uprising
« Reply #756 on: 07 Mar 2008, 12:58 »

Yeah, the mortality rate for rabbits dictates that something like 90% of them will die within their first year of life out in the wild. I don't know the numbers on how many of them manage to breed first, but the fact of the matter is that many of nature's creations persist not because they beat the odds but because they breed in such prolific numbers that even killing 90% of them results in enough getting by to perpetuate the next generation. Until they go extinct, of course, which happens more often than many people think.
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Re: plans for the inevitable undead uprising
« Reply #757 on: 07 Mar 2008, 13:16 »

Yeah. If two animals born of the same mother, where one has a slight genetic mutation that tells it "man those green and blue frog things are probably bad for you", that's the one that's going to survive, because the other one eats a frog and dies. This gets passed on through generations of animals until everyone knows "stay the fuck away from those frogs!".

Gives you a perspective on how long that takes - successful genetic mutations are fairly rare in wildlife.

Well, when your "generations" are 24 hours apart, like in fruit flies, or 2-3 days, like biting black flies, the pace picks up a wee bit.
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Re: plans for the inevitable undead uprising
« Reply #758 on: 07 Mar 2008, 15:34 »

Man so you're telling me that if I were a fruit fly I'd have only 24 hours to get laid and then I'd die, win or lose? I would probably just kill myself right there.
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Re: plans for the inevitable undead uprising
« Reply #759 on: 07 Mar 2008, 20:34 »

The only criteria is probably "have you got a fly dick" though so I guess even I would be able to pull that off.
My dick is pretty fly yo.  :mrgreen:

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Re: plans for the inevitable undead uprising
« Reply #760 on: 08 Mar 2008, 08:49 »

Pretty fly for an Asian guy?
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Re: plans for the inevitable undead uprising
« Reply #761 on: 08 Mar 2008, 19:27 »

Actually that raises an interesting question. Would the few remaining humans begin to adapt through evolution to the whole zombie thing? Develop some kind of camouflage, or masking scent? After all, the industrialized society would collapse and humans would be flung back into the "wilderness," thus probably removing many of the environmental factors that have brought any significant human evolution to a standstill in the last few decades (centuries?)
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Re: plans for the inevitable undead uprising
« Reply #762 on: 08 Mar 2008, 22:32 »

Evolution works much slower than that. Like, speaking in terms of decades is totally meaningless with evolution. Centuries is just barely getting into a timeframe where evolution has any effect.

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Re: plans for the inevitable undead uprising
« Reply #763 on: 08 Mar 2008, 22:39 »

Evolution, by it's nature, is an ongoing, continuous thing. As we continue to alter our environment, we must continue to adapt to it, and thus unless our environment is static, evolution will not reach a standstill.
We no longer need so much the ability to keep warm without clothing or kill a deer with out bare hands, but we are still evolving.

And as Joe said, it does takes many iterations of the death-birth thing to actually be able to draw meaningful conclusions from observations of evolutionary trends.
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Re: plans for the inevitable undead uprising
« Reply #764 on: 09 Mar 2008, 00:40 »

Us zombies would kill all you humans off before any note-worthy evolution could occur. Plus, there's not really any survival things that human's could gain through evolution. Humans pretty much have all they need to survive against zombies as is. There's still people in the wilderness today and as far as I know they don't have super-powers... But maybe...

 Anyhow, assuming people can't breed with zombies, there wouldn't be a whole lot of birth going on to begin with.

Can humans breed with zombies? And is it necrophilia if it's with 'living' dead?

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Re: plans for the inevitable undead uprising
« Reply #765 on: 09 Mar 2008, 06:05 »

Why the hell would you want to fuck a zombie.

I don't know who I'm more sympathetic for, Britney or Kevin.
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Re: plans for the inevitable undead uprising
« Reply #766 on: 09 Mar 2008, 17:36 »

We no longer need so much the ability to keep warm without clothing or kill a deer with out bare hands, but we are still evolving.
And yet some people are still very hairy, due to having, hundreds of years back, an ancestor from freezing climes. I don't know about the killing a deer with your bare hands, though, seems like the problem there would be catching it and not getting kicked too badly. Deer can actually be pretty small.

The people that are smart enough to use camouflage and some sort of scent masking would be the ones to survive, though, and would pass that knowledge along to their children, not genetic, but you would see them surviving more than people that don't make any attempt to hide.
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Re: plans for the inevitable undead uprising
« Reply #767 on: 09 Mar 2008, 17:52 »

Anyhow, assuming people can't breed with zombies, there wouldn't be a whole lot of birth going on to begin with.

I'm just saying, if shit goes down like most zombie movies where it's pretty much just you and a few others alive, there isn't going to be a huge variation in genetics after a few generations. You have to keep the population going without inbreeding if you(as a species) are going to continue to exist.
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Re: plans for the inevitable undead uprising
« Reply #768 on: 09 Mar 2008, 17:58 »

I don't think inbreeding is as quick-acting or as noticeable as it is in popular culture, I don't know about it for sure though, anyone able to confirm or deny that? I am sure that after a few generations at most, you would run into more groups of survivors.
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Re: plans for the inevitable undead uprising
« Reply #769 on: 09 Mar 2008, 18:02 »

This will be great for my sex life.
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Re: plans for the inevitable undead uprising
« Reply #770 on: 09 Mar 2008, 18:19 »

I am looking forward to the inbreeding.

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Re: plans for the inevitable undead uprising
« Reply #771 on: 09 Mar 2008, 18:23 »

Dude have you even SEEN my family
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Re: plans for the inevitable undead uprising
« Reply #772 on: 09 Mar 2008, 18:32 »

I would think you would be excited about the ability to effectively use the "Survival of the Species" pickup line with the Albanian girls you say are so hot.
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Re: plans for the inevitable undead uprising
« Reply #773 on: 09 Mar 2008, 18:52 »

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Re: plans for the inevitable undead uprising
« Reply #774 on: 09 Mar 2008, 21:19 »

I'm well aware of how evolution works, thanks. I was speaking in terms of extremely prolonged periods of time. However, sudden evolutionary changes do occur. Witness the gypsy moth. And with the human population vastly thinner and life expectancy certainly exponentially lower, the generational changes would occur more frequently.
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Re: plans for the inevitable undead uprising
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Re: plans for the inevitable undead uprising
« Reply #776 on: 10 Mar 2008, 13:57 »

The best example of a quick change in the environment and a species ability to adapt concerns the the color of the Gypsy Moths in England. When the industrial revolution occurred, coal and other industrial factories spewed out massive amounts of air pollutants, so much so that even during the day the skies were as dark as night. The original color of the gypsy moths was a light gray; such a color blended in with the trees in their environment, and acted as camouflage against predators. With the change in the environment the camouflage adaptation no longer functioned because the tree trunks were darker colored, due to the built up chemicals from the heightened air pollution.

The gypsy moths colored dark gray, which had once been at a severe disadvantage and were normally quickly eaten by predators, now survived and bred, while their lighter counterparts, which had hitherto thrived were eaten and almost eradicated. As a result the gypsy moth, through the spreading of the genes responsible for a darker skin pigment, was able to gradually--but extremely fast in evolutionary measurements--change it's coloring to a dark gray-black, to match the surface of the trees covered in pollution.

Such a thing could be feasible in the extremely reduced human population--some kind of physical or scent-masking camouflage.
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Re: plans for the inevitable undead uprising
« Reply #777 on: 10 Mar 2008, 21:27 »

Well, it depends on if the survivors already have something on the genetic level that make them more likely to survive in the the first place. Its not just going to appear, if humans can survive zombies without the need of natural camoflage and scent blocking, then they will and no evolution will occur down that path.
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Re: plans for the inevitable undead uprising
« Reply #778 on: 11 Mar 2008, 00:15 »

Roughly 10% (I think) of humans don't leave DNA traces. Perhaps something like that?
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Re: plans for the inevitable undead uprising
« Reply #779 on: 11 Mar 2008, 02:02 »

People who don't sweat that much would probably have an evolutionary advantage over the more moist of us.
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Re: plans for the inevitable undead uprising
« Reply #780 on: 11 Mar 2008, 02:16 »

It depends on the climate. Sweat is how the body cools itself down - if you're in a warm climate and you're constantly running from zombies, overheating could prove fatal.
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Re: plans for the inevitable undead uprising
« Reply #781 on: 11 Mar 2008, 02:21 »

True but consider that I will start to sweat at 21 degrees Celcius if I'm in the sun. I don't deal with heat that well and so would probably not be great at hiding from zombies.
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Re: plans for the inevitable undead uprising
« Reply #782 on: 11 Mar 2008, 09:18 »

I don't sweat very much. I am a tall, very thin dude, and as such, I cool off really easily. It makes me ridiculously well-suited to the heat, and not only that, but I am able to run a really good distance without stopping. I did a 5km run in under 22 minutes (that's like 3 miles) and yeah if the zombies want to chase after me they'd better be some fast motherfucking zombies.
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Re: plans for the inevitable undead uprising
« Reply #783 on: 11 Mar 2008, 18:20 »

Excuse me, but fast zombies do not exist, remember?!

I'm totally zombie food in that respect. I jog for a few seconds and I'm tasting blood. Have wonderful aim, though, with a bow and arrow. Learned that at a RenFair.


You think zombies can climb trees?
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Re: plans for the inevitable undead uprising
« Reply #784 on: 11 Mar 2008, 18:27 »

You're in the wrong thread for saying zombies don't exist, just so you know. I mean, with an attitude like that you're even more fishbait than the rest of these guys. So far the list of people who've convinced me they are going to survive are still pretty much at me, Khar, Jon, and possibly Jimmy and Patrick, though in all honesty Patrick is more likely going to be raped by a group of convicts who've escaped and formed a surivor group of their own and haven't been with a woman in months, probably years, so they aren't too picky.
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« Reply #785 on: 11 Mar 2008, 18:32 »

I said fast zombies do not exist.
So groany ones do.
28 Days later made me so frightened I am refusing to admit the possible existence of a quick zombie.
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Re: plans for the inevitable undead uprising
« Reply #786 on: 11 Mar 2008, 18:37 »

Can the 28 day zombies be worse than those goddamn fast headcrab zombies? I shoot the fuckers in the face with a shotgun and they keep coming, that ain't right.
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« Reply #787 on: 11 Mar 2008, 18:39 »

But most zombies, you can go and take a nap and come back and they're only a yard or two from where they were.
The 28 Zombies --this is not so.
It's terrifying.
I started to zombie proof the house after that, trying to configure it so I could keep as much pterodactyl proofing as I could.
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Re: plans for the inevitable undead uprising
« Reply #788 on: 11 Mar 2008, 18:40 »

28 Days later is in my opinion one of the greatest zombie movies ever made. And while some people here refuse to admit that the quick ones aren't out there, its beter to prepare for the worst than take minimum action. As I've learned from my Broadcasting and Filmwriting class this semester, the minimum action of the hero always results in failure, leading to worse situations for them in the long run, until they force themselves to go all out there can be no climax and resolution.

Fuck, people stop replying so fast.
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« Reply #789 on: 11 Mar 2008, 23:26 »

But most zombies, you can go and take a nap and come back and they're only a yard or two from where they were.
The 28 Zombies --this is not so.
It's terrifying.
I started to zombie proof the house after that, trying to configure it so I could keep as much pterodactyl proofing as I could.
You seen the fast headcrab ones? Skinny since all the skin, fat, and maybe even some of the muscle have been stripped away, and they can cover about ten meters in two seconds. Usually in-game, by the time you find them (they have a really creepy howl that you can recognize, but they always seem to come from a different direction than you are looking), they are about one shot from impact. Only time they aren't creepy is when they have to climb up a drainpipe so you can take potshots at them, but once one headshot doesn't kill them, screw it, I am hiding in the house until the cart comes over.
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Re: plans for the inevitable undead uprising
« Reply #790 on: 12 Mar 2008, 03:46 »

The fast zombies are always creepy.
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Re: plans for the inevitable undead uprising
« Reply #791 on: 12 Mar 2008, 04:48 »

Well, yeah, slow zombies aren't as creepy because they're easier. Which is creepier, something that actually has a reasonable chance of killing you (and fast!) or something that can hardly even amble by without dropping an appendage?
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Re: plans for the inevitable undead uprising
« Reply #792 on: 12 Mar 2008, 09:56 »

Roughly 10% (I think) of humans don't leave DNA traces. Perhaps something like that?

Gosh, our infiltration by robots from the future has gone farther than I'd expected.  I should have realized that the Connor Chronicles were a documentary.

Wait . . . robots vs. zombies?  Sheeeee-it, I think I just came up with the next pirates vs. ninjas.  I'm freakin' brilliant.
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Re: plans for the inevitable undead uprising
« Reply #793 on: 12 Mar 2008, 11:30 »

its been done pilsner, there are in fact facebook applications for it.
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« Reply #794 on: 12 Mar 2008, 11:43 »

Damn!  Ummm . . . tarrasques vs. X-Wings?
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Re: plans for the inevitable undead uprising
« Reply #795 on: 12 Mar 2008, 12:46 »

pfft. Everyone knows unicorns are the new pirates anyway.
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« Reply #796 on: 12 Mar 2008, 16:00 »

Hobos are totally the new unicorns. Get with it.

I still can't really see a zombie doing much climbing. I suppose scientific zombies. Not voodoo zombies.
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Re: plans for the inevitable undead uprising
« Reply #797 on: 12 Mar 2008, 16:18 »

This might have already been mentioned, but has anyone studied the zombification process that has gone on in the past in Haiti with voodoo rituals?
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« Reply #798 on: 12 Mar 2008, 16:56 »

yeah, those guys are jerks.

technically not zombies because they never actually die but extrememly zombie-like, nonetheless.
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Re: plans for the inevitable undead uprising
« Reply #799 on: 12 Mar 2008, 17:28 »

This might have already been mentioned, but has anyone studied the zombification process that has gone on in the past in Haiti with voodoo rituals?

nope. more information please?

Should I not be going to Haiti?
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Expect lots of screaming, perversely fast computer drums and guitars tuned to FUCK

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Dear God, I hope it's smooth.
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