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Re: The Golden Compass
« Reply #50 on: 01 Dec 2007, 17:34 »

What Johnny is saying is that his attention span is so meagre and gnat-like he can't read more than 40 pages of a goddamn childrens book.
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Re: The Golden Compass
« Reply #51 on: 01 Dec 2007, 19:11 »

I saw it today!

It ended way too soon though, Like it ended right when things were getting good.
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« Reply #52 on: 01 Dec 2007, 19:23 »

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Re: The Golden Compass
« Reply #53 on: 08 Dec 2007, 08:00 »

I went and saw it last night. All in all I thought it was really good, but since it's been a few years since I read the book I don't really recall if it followed to story as well as I would hope. It did seem really short, yes, and the ending was the most ridiculous cliff hanger that you could ever imagine.
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« Reply #54 on: 08 Dec 2007, 08:24 »

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Re: The Golden Compass
« Reply #55 on: 08 Dec 2007, 09:31 »

I have to wait until I'm done with school (this upcoming friday night, if they even HAVE a 10:00 show, I'll try to get to it). 
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Re: The Golden Compass
« Reply #56 on: 08 Dec 2007, 17:59 »

I enjoyed it.
I haven't finished reading the book, though.

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However, there was a lot in the film that felt like it deserved more screen-time.  For example, the whole deal with the witches wasn't explained at all.  They just kinda showed up "Oh hai guyz we'll fite 4 u" and then they did.  No explanation, no anything.
My friend who HAS read the book, said that he enjoyed it but the cut-off ending was lame, and parts of the story were switched around and whatnot.
Also, Iorek ripping out and eating the King Polar Bear's heart didn't happen.  Guess they wanted it to be PG-13!
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Re: The Golden Compass
« Reply #57 on: 09 Dec 2007, 16:01 »

Bleh! check out this Time article
http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,1692926-1,00.html

This guy is so one sided!
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Re: The Golden Compass
« Reply #58 on: 09 Dec 2007, 17:06 »

It's as if he's being paid to give his opinion!
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Re: The Golden Compass
« Reply #59 on: 09 Dec 2007, 17:21 »

Honestly, who would do something like that?
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Re: The Golden Compass
« Reply #60 on: 09 Dec 2007, 19:39 »

I wish I could get paid to give my opinion.

I finally saw the movie today and I liked it. I thought the story itself was pretty good, though a bit choppy at certain transitions, and the effects were really well done. The end is a bit abrupt, but it's part of a trilogy, so I was kind of expecting it.

Also, I have the HDM omnibus, so now I get to read the books and know what the hell else is going on in this series.
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Re: The Golden Compass
« Reply #61 on: 12 Dec 2007, 09:30 »

I saw the movie the other night with Huda, and I have to say it was really good. The bear fight scene had possibly the best ending of all time, just so you know.

I like where the director ended it, leaves plenty of room for there to be a shit load of action starting off the second one with a bang. trust me.
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Re: The Golden Compass
« Reply #62 on: 12 Dec 2007, 11:52 »

You guys LIKED this movie?  In my opinion, it was the biggest piece of shit I've seen since Ultraviolet (which was possibly the worst movie of all time.)

I'm not saying this from the whole "OMG I R CHRISTIAN THIS MAN'S WERK IS TEH DEVL!" either because that's why I went to see the movie, to see what the fuss was about.  Halfway through the movie, I found myself yawning and almost fell asleep even though I'm a notorious night owl and wasn't likely to fall asleep for another 4 hours after the movie was supposed to be finished.  The plot is minimal at best, and nothing is explained.  I'm still angry that the main goal of the bad guys isn't explained until literally about 5 minutes before the film ends.  What the FUCK is with that?  No one got any screen time except the little girl that had an exceptional LACK of personality and her shapechanging cat/ferret/hawk thing.  If it wasn't for the fact it was mentioned earlier in the thread, I would have forgot it's name was Pan.

It's literally the first time since Ultraviolet that I was going to go theater hopping so I could feel like I got my money's worth but we went to a late showing that got out at midnight so nothing else was starting when we left.  My friends I went with kept saying "You should just go read the books" and I keep telling them that having to read a book to understand a movie based on it just means it's a terrible and poorly made movie.

The Christian fundies that are trying to get the movie boycotted should seriously just let people know how much of a shitty movie it is, rather than make up some grandiose reason it's "bad for the children."
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Re: The Golden Compass
« Reply #63 on: 12 Dec 2007, 12:02 »

Do you think you could maybe not diss those that like it?  I don't care if you don't like it (I haven't seen it yet, anyways), but if you hadn't written that second sentence, less people would be mad at you.
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Re: The Golden Compass
« Reply #64 on: 12 Dec 2007, 12:07 »

Good point.  I have a nasty habit of being sarcastic with people in person in a joking manner that doesn't translate well to the internet and I tend to forget myself.  Edited.

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« Reply #65 on: 12 Dec 2007, 13:05 »

If I know I'm going to come across as mean, I just add a [/sarcasm] to the end of the sentence/paragraph.  At least for the things that no amount of text editing can fix.
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Re: The Golden Compass
« Reply #66 on: 12 Dec 2007, 15:35 »

Eh. I don't know, I thought the actors got plenty of screen time, the purpose of Bolvangar isn't supposed ot be revealed until the end, the movie really isn't about Daniel Craig's character by any means. I wasn't confused at any point, though I suppose that was because I read the book, and the movie I thought did the book a good deal of justice. I don't know, maybe I'm just from a biased perspective, I thought it was really cool.
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Re: The Golden Compass
« Reply #67 on: 12 Dec 2007, 20:03 »

I'm going to have to go back to my line:

If you have to read an entire series of books in order for a movie based on the first in that series to remotely make sense, the movie is a failure.

Fans will say "The books were better" and the rest of the audience is going to leave thinking "That was a waste of money."
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« Reply #68 on: 14 Dec 2007, 21:51 »

actually I liked the movie just fine. It was fun, and was a good realization of the story in my opinion. Maybe I just like bad films.

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« Reply #69 on: 16 Dec 2007, 10:44 »

It's funny, because I was the only person out of the people I went to see it with who read the books. Personally I loved seeing one of my favorite series being on the big screen. I felt Dakota Blue Richards did a great job of portraying a girl of that age, anyone who says otherwise watch a tomboyish 12 year old for fifteen minutes, the facial expressions were lovely.

However, I spent most of the movie explaining it to the international students(language barrier + not reading the book? Yikes), who all in all also enjoyed it but said if I wasn't there they would have no sweet clue what was going on.
 
Also, other people who haven't read the book I know, really didn't like it. Oddly enough people who read it loooved it.
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Re: The Golden Compass
« Reply #70 on: 16 Dec 2007, 14:59 »

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« Reply #71 on: 17 Dec 2007, 08:46 »

I think it was so either that she'd end up in Hollywood doing films and being a diva, or porn.
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Re: The Golden Compass
« Reply #72 on: 17 Dec 2007, 12:38 »

My opinions most closely resemble Narr's in regards to The Golden Compass, albeit with fewer capital letters.

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The director, Chris Weitz, does not understand pacing. Weitz also wrote the script, so we can blame him for pretty much everything wrong with this movie.

Weitz does not know what to do with his actors. It truly is a remarkable cast, including Nicole Kidman and James Bond, but instead of letting these actors develop their characters with acting, Wietz introduces them, gives each five minutes of expository dialog, and then puts them in the corner so he can show a ten minute balloon ride.

Add to the almost non-existent character development a curious plot: Why not attack the Gobblers with your newfound bear army? Why could you not find your armor when it was less then a block away?

It is true, what one poster said, he holds back seemingly relevant information, but he replaces it with repetitious explanations of the fantasy world's fixtures. For example, at the beginning of the film, Pan informs Lyra (really the audience, as the girl obviously knows this already) that hurting one of them hurts the other (injure a daemon, you injure the human, and vice versa). Weitz does not stop there, however. He tells us again. Then he shows us. Then he shows us over and over again. Most of this does not forward the plot at all, and it is this kind of digression that weakens the film.

Honestly, the battle at the end: tedious.

The bear fight was awesome, though.


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Re: The Golden Compass
« Reply #73 on: 17 Dec 2007, 13:44 »

*SPOILER*

I thought the bear fight was pretty cool, up until how it ended.  I didn't read the books as I've mentioned so I don't know if that's how it goes down in them, but I thought having his jaw slapped off was contrived and altogether unbelievable.

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If you're going to tell me "Well, it's Fantasy.  It doesn't have to be believable," I will fight you.  Fantasy has fantastical elements, sure, but it still has to be believable because the genre, in general, is an escape from reality for people.  If it's not grounded in realistic situations, laws, rules and consequences, it fails to draw in the reader/viewer.  People need to be able to feel that if that world in fact was real, they could be a part of it.
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Re: The Golden Compass
« Reply #74 on: 17 Dec 2007, 14:39 »

So, should I read the book, and then see the movie and be a little let down by the adaptation, or should I go see this movie on the strength of holy shit, armoured polar bear cavalry and then read all the books afterwards?

It comes out on boxing day and I can probably slam the entire trilogy by the time the summer cinema crowds die down to an acceptable level.
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Re: The Golden Compass
« Reply #75 on: 17 Dec 2007, 15:30 »

Narr, in the book the bear fight ended with Iorek tearing out the other bear's heart and eating it. Not exactly something they could get away with in the film.
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Re: The Golden Compass
« Reply #76 on: 17 Dec 2007, 16:37 »

He did knock Ioreks FUCKING JAW STRAIGHT OFF. I felt that was a fair compromise for the PG audience.

Still, I was left kinda dissapointed by this film. I mean, lets be honest here, there is one reason, and one reason only, that we are being bombarded with endless fantasy flicks at the moment: The Lord of the Rings. Given this, I am repeatedly astounded that none of the films most closely comparable to it (Eragon, The Lion The Witch and the Wardrobe, this) have absorbed any lessons from it whatsoever. Though I would say this was a better outing than either of the other two I've mentioned (lets face it, it would not be hard to be better than Eragon), it still suffers from the problems of being flat, lifeless and plasticky, in my view, for the following reasons:

1: Too much fucking CGI. The main reason the special effects on LOTR are so good is that they used as little CGI as they possibly could. So many things in the Golden Compass could have been models and looked ten times better. Was there even any location shooting AT ALL? I don't want to see a CGI polar bear wearing CGI armour carrying a CGI girl across a CGI snowfield, fuck it. Go find a real fucking snowfield, stick a stuntwoman on a horse in a blue suit, then take your shot. Then you just about have my permission to digitally erase the horse and whack in a polar bear. I'm not an unreasonable man.
2: Inconsistent and shallow art direction. The whole look of the thing was far too cobbled together. The design of the technology, clothes and whatever was all inconsistent. It also went far, far away from the book. What the fuck where those whirring blue things on all the vehicles? The books make it pretty clear that technology in Lyras world is roughly stalled somewhere in 1930, with a few anachronisms (basic atomic power, for example) and obvious fantasy elements. I suspect someone somewhere got a bit carried away with Pullmans slightly changed vocabulary (anabaric power, atomcraft, etc.) Nowhere does it mention spinning blue plasma globe power systems and hologram projectors. Lyra is supposed to be amazed when she visits our world in The Subtle Knife. I would not be fucking amazed at anything in our world if I lived somewhere with shit like that. Also it makes the anachronisms almost unbearable. You're telling me these people can invent plasma powered fucking airships, but they can't figure out how to make an automatic rifle? The design elements are even worse. The clothes worn by the Magisterium officials and the scientists at Bolvangar, for example, bear almost no relationship to those worn by, say, the people at Mrs. Coulters party.
3: Paint by numbers music. Whoever composed the music for this film, I bet he does like, one soundtrack a week, and he's probably very bored by it. Not only was it unremarkable (I can't remember a fucking note), but it also seemed poorly thought out and not at all related to the film, conceptually.

In short, not engaging or deep or well thought out enough by a long shot. Still, entertaining, and the battle at the end was fab. I hope they make the sequels, just because I really, really want to see the battle between the Clouded Mountain and Lord Asriels fortress committed to screen. Although I also kind of don't, because I'm sure it would spoil my Milton meets World War One on acid vision of the whole thing.
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Re: The Golden Compass
« Reply #77 on: 17 Dec 2007, 17:21 »

*SPOILER*

I thought the bear fight was pretty cool, up until how it ended.  I didn't read the books as I've mentioned so I don't know if that's how it goes down in them, but I thought having his jaw slapped off was contrived and altogether unbelievable.

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If you're going to tell me "Well, it's Fantasy.  It doesn't have to be believable," I will fight you.  Fantasy has fantastical elements, sure, but it still has to be believable because the genre, in general, is an escape from reality for people.  If it's not grounded in realistic situations, laws, rules and consequences, it fails to draw in the reader/viewer.  People need to be able to feel that if that world in fact was real, they could be a part of it.

I thought it was believable. Polar bears are pretty badass, after all. Fantasy characters do not have to act believably in relation the real world because they are supposed to be larger than life. It is spectacle, after all. I would say that the only rule a fantasy story has to follow is consistency.
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Re: The Golden Compass
« Reply #78 on: 18 Dec 2007, 07:27 »

Milton meets World War One on acid vision of the whole thing.

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Re: The Golden Compass
« Reply #79 on: 18 Dec 2007, 09:21 »

What Johnny is saying is that his attention span is so meagre and gnat-like he can't read more than 40 pages of a goddamn childrens book.

Dude I've read The Brothers Karamazov and listened to Metal Machine Music, my attention span is fuckin' awesome.

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If you ever decide to read the book, be aware that it is a pound of novel.
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Re: The Golden Compass
« Reply #80 on: 18 Dec 2007, 17:26 »

Completely snapped his jaw off it's hinges, yes.

Batting his jaw a football's field in length OFF THE FACE OF ANOTHER BEAR, not believable.  I'd rather have him rip the heart out of the other bear and eat it.
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« Reply #81 on: 18 Dec 2007, 17:53 »

I do not remember it being quite so impressive as that.
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« Reply #82 on: 18 Dec 2007, 18:27 »

Do you believe it more or less than magic bears fighting?
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« Reply #83 on: 18 Dec 2007, 22:09 »

If you ever decide to read the book, be aware that it is a pound of novel.

Correction,  a pound and a tenth. For those of us no longer stuck in the dark ages, 495 g.
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« Reply #84 on: 19 Dec 2007, 00:54 »

The problem with the metric system is that it has no character. It is so completely perfect that humans cannot relate to it.

I cannot think of a punchline to that.
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« Reply #85 on: 19 Dec 2007, 05:51 »

I don't want to "relate" to my system of measurement. I'm not looking to ask it out to a dinner and a movie and hope that I'll get lucky with it later in the night. I'm looking to measure things with it in an easy and practical manner.
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« Reply #86 on: 19 Dec 2007, 12:58 »

SPOILER I SUPPOSE HERE AS WELL:

I'm not sure if I really fucking care whether or not the jaw ripping off and flying ten feet away was realistic, it was awesome and visceral and the best end to a fighting sequence that I have ever seen. At the moment it happened I was so engrossed in the movie that I really didn't feel like it was unbelievable. It was more like, me and the rest of the theater, were just sitting there stunned for a minute, and then a chorus of "oh holy shit" sort of scattered throughout.
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« Reply #87 on: 19 Dec 2007, 18:27 »

Yeah, the people in the theater I was in did the collective "Whoa..." thing.

Besides, it doesn't matter if it's believable. These bears seem to be a whole lot more powerful than the average polar bear and it's a fantasy novel. It was written that way in the book. So, other than not having Iorek eating Iofur's heart, it was pretty damn awesome and close to what the scene was in the book.
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« Reply #88 on: 19 Dec 2007, 21:21 »

Although I haven't seen it yet, I'm slightly disappointed they didn't keep the heart-eating part (although I can completely understand why they cut it). I remember reading the book for the first time when I was like 12 or 13 and that part was one of the first real "whoa! fucking badass!" moments of any book I'd read up till then.
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« Reply #89 on: 19 Dec 2007, 21:29 »

I guess this means that Iorek won't be eating Lee Scoresby.
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« Reply #90 on: 01 Jan 2008, 19:08 »

I finally got to see it, and I almost fell asleep.  Will elaborate later.
Okay.  So I went to see it.  In terms of faithfulness to the books, it's not bad.  They chopped out a bit, but in the long run it wasn't necessary to the main idea.  This, however, is where the movie completely lost itself.  It is supposed to be a fight against the Magisterium (or at least that's what everyone in the marketing department wants us to think), and about Lyra.  The Magisterium's part in all this is extraordinarily small, and the 'fight against Authority' becomes the 'fight against Ms. Coulter', which is what is supposed to happen, but not to the extent that the Magisterium is all but forgotten.  Characters were introduced and not developed (Ma Costa, Farder Coram, Serafina Pekkala, etc.  Of all the non-important characters in the movie, the bears were the most complete), plot holes so obvious I almost missed them (when Lyra 'escapes' with Iorek to the ghost shed on the lake and everybody somehow knew what she was up to when she returned).  And again with all the minor players, they seemed to be stuffed into archetypes that they couldn't fit (Faa as King Theoden, Farder Coram as...well...an old guy.  In the book he was something of a mentor to the tune of Gandalf, but not here.  I'm getting the impression the producers wanted Ma Costa to mirror Mrs. Weasley).

The acting wasn't bad.  It was actually quite good (except Nicole Kidman.  I pictured Ms. Coulter as a much more viciously nice person, whereas this Ms. Coulter is not all that nasty).  It was just such an awful screenplay overall that I nearly fell asleep.
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« Reply #91 on: 02 Jan 2008, 11:38 »

I thought it was a pretty fucking awful representation of the book. I had just read the series again for the second time before i went to see it and i couldn't believe how much they've butchered it. They mixed up a lot of the characters. Mixed the actual timing of the scenes. Missed out a the whole point in the film (anti religion), it was hardly ever mentioned. They missed out the ending (one of the main points throughout the series), how are they meant to bring it back from that. Hopefully the next one is better.
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« Reply #92 on: 02 Jan 2008, 16:02 »

I will force myself to watch the next two because of the Milton's World War I Acid Trip.
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« Reply #93 on: 02 Jan 2008, 21:15 »

It was great. I could've done with more quantum physics and church bashing, but it was good.

Biggest qualm though, Nicole Kidman. God she's terrible. Coulter's supposed to be SMART and evil.
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« Reply #94 on: 03 Jan 2008, 01:23 »

My favorite bit was probably the bear fight. There can't be many things more awesome than giant armored bears fighting.
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« Reply #95 on: 03 Jan 2008, 10:24 »

SPOILERS, probably

I agree with whoever said Dakota Blue Richards did a great job. The Golden Compass has been one of my all time favorite books because of Lyra's awesomeness. It's rare to find a strong and confident girl in a book these days without her being a bitch or secretly weak or something dumb like that... She was great in the movie and almost exactly how I always pictured her.

For the rest of the movie though...I seriously spent half the time wondering how anyone that didn't know the book well could even understand it. You're not supposed to know the plan of the bad guys until the end, the point was for Lyra to slowly unfold the mystery. The movie did an awful job of this and spent half the time bluntly explaining some things while ignoring others. I mean the whole "General Oblation Board...G.O.B.....for Gobblers!" Sort of reminded me of Batman and Robin-esque ridiculousness. ("It was in the Sea, C, for Catwoman!") 

My biggest problem with the movie was the very beginning. A narrator goes and explains how everyone knows about dust and what dust is only to lead into a movie in which no one knows or talks about dust. It baffled me even though I knew the book.

Overall, it was fun to watch and to see my favorite characters in a movie, and it was more than I was expecting ever since I heard Pullman wasn't going to have a part in its creation.
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Re: The Golden Compass
« Reply #96 on: 15 Nov 2008, 09:42 »

Well yeah, the movie was ok. The problem is that the books are brilliant! The magical feeling of the books were gone, and the movie felt like an all-round mass adventure story wirh some stock special effects. They should have just forgotten the child audience, HMS aren't childrens books to begin with. And what was that semi-futuristic world? If I remember right, they were living in some victorian-like era with nuclear power.

And one more thing. Every single time Serafinas last name Pekkala was pronounced, the whole audience bursted into laugh.
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« Reply #97 on: 15 Nov 2008, 09:56 »

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« Reply #98 on: 15 Nov 2008, 19:45 »

Good show Dimmukane.
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Re: The Golden Compass
« Reply #99 on: 16 Nov 2008, 09:00 »

Ok, some typing mistakes. What else did I do to deserve this?
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