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[Johnny C]

This upcoming weekend Saskatchewan is once again playing unfortunate space marine host/victim to the face-fucking egg-laying alien spider bastard of a festival that is the Craven Country Jamboree. On top of the awful music which I concede that people are allowed to listen to is the disgusting trash culture that surrounds it, especially because it leads to violence against women. Observe:

There was a small number of serious incidents reported: five assaults, two assaults with a weapon, four sexual assaults, seven thefts and one break and enter.

Couple that with this tidbit from Statistics Canada:

Thirty-six percent of female victims of spousal violence and less than 10% of victims of sexual assault reported these crimes to the police in 2004.

That's ten percent in normal cases - the Jamboree is soaked in alcohol and has this really disquieting attitude of objectification towards women. Many dudes go simply because it means they'll probably score. I point this out to people and they accuse me of spoiling their fun. Frankly, I don't give a shit. I don't go and will never go because it will mean endorsing that kind of culture.

This thread is about pointing stuff like that out. Try and make it legit.

[KharBevNor]

So a pop-country festival is a misogynistic boozefest?

No shit.

I'm not quite sure of the specific aim of this thread (get a blog?) but keeping to music festivals, I recently intended the Isle of Wight Festival, and I was very glad my ticket was free. It was the evil, sadistic face of commercialised rock, charging me 3 quid for a cardboard mug of slightly warm Carling and a fiver for a petrol-flavoured hot dog. There were security guards in fucking towers. It was just about the most obvious no fun zone I have ever seen: whenever something that felt like you were actually at a festival happened, a topless dude in a top hat dancing on top of an ice cream truck say, roughly thirty nine burly men would instantly arrive to haul the perpetrator away to who knows what grisly fate. You were not allowed to have fires or barbecues. Carling had a complete alcohol monopoly. There were drug sniffer dogs. I saw a dude get arrested for smoking pot. Crowdsurfing was banned. Most everyone there was not just an arsehole, but a genuine, dyed in the wool, balls to the walls cunt.

Iggy Pop and the Sex Pistols were alright though. Most of the line-up was soul-sucking shite however. The whole situation bought me in mind of Bill Hicks. "Sucking Satans pecker...suck it!"   

[NarwhalSunshine]

There are gonna be a couple good acts however I can see them in Nashville without the violence against women

Sex Pistols were alright

I don't see how that's possible, I would say they are without a doubt the worst thing to happen to punk right after the Casualties.

[Trollstormur]

There was a small number of serious incidents reported: five assaults, two assaults with a weapon, four sexual assaults, seven thefts and one break and enter.

interesting that you highlight the sexual assaults. these are generally not life endangering when compared to weapon assault. do you hold that rape is worse than murder?

[Inlander]

At least they're up-front about how craven the whole thing apparently is.

[Jposh]

interesting that you highlight the sexual assaults. these are generally not life endangering when compared to weapon assault. do you hold that rape is worse than murder?

I'm gonna kind of go out on a limb here.

Both murder and rape are terrible things, and though no one can really say one is worse then the other, I do think rape could be, as the "rapee" lives past it, and has to suffer with the memory, whereas a dead person, is just dead. Know what I mean?


edit: But now that I think about it, that's almost saying that if you rape someone, then kill them you can get away with only murder charges, because they victim wouldn't remember it...

See, now I'm back where I started, I guess you can't really say which is worse...

[RedLion]

We already had a lengthy and contentious debate about rape vs. murder in terms of which is more heinous on here a while back. Let's not revisit that.

On a brighter note, I just returned from 2 1/2 weeks in Europe!

[Jposh]

how was it? Where did you go?

[jhocking]

On a brighter note, I just returned from 2 1/2 weeks in Europe!

Did you not read the name of this thread?

[valley_parade]

worst thing to happen to punk right after the Casualties.

It's more fun if you don't take the Casualties seriously.

[KharBevNor]

I don't see how that's possible

It's because they're a good, solid rock band with a good stage presence and some great songs. The fact that they were originally (to an extent) assembled as a situationalist performance art project by Malcolm McLaren doesn't really change that. Also before you go all misguided punx purist on me consider the fact that bands ranging from The Clash to Cock Sparrer cite them as influences, and that without the Sex Pistols we very probably wouldn't have had Siouxsie and the Banshees, Joy Division, The Smiths, The Fall, The Buzzcocks or Factory Records. In fact, The Sex Pistols catalysed the entire British punk movement and gave impetus and exposure to the huge number of great punk bands that arose from it. You're 19 and American, so I'm gonna say you probably don't have the greatest perspective on it: I've talked to enough old British punks who were around back in the day to know exactly how important the Sex Pistols were.

Punk 77's article on the Pistols

My worries about the Sex Pistols were essentially that they would just be old and embarrasing, but they were still pretty fun. Though to be honest, most of the other geriatric bands I've seen, especially in that vein, have still been awesome: Motorhead, UK Subs, Saxon, Stiff Little Fingers, etc.

[valley_parade]

I've heard the Buzzcocks are still pretty good live.

Heard. Their last date on Warped 2006 was the one before the show I went to. =/

[RedLion]

how was it? Where did you go?

Spent a day in Dublin, then to Paris and Annecy, in France; Geneva in Switzerland; went to Italy: Venice, Florence, Rome, Milan; Back into the south of France, to go along the Mediterranean coast: Monaco, Nice, Cannes, Marseilles; then into Spain to go to Barcelona, Cordoba and Madrid. Then spent a day in London. Then came home this morning.

Interestingly, my favorite cities were Paris and Madrid, though they're so different from eachother.

Anyway, what the hell is this topic even about?

[michaelicious]

I prefer to be a Negative Nancy.

[Trollstormur]

i wouldn't have brought it up but i was being a negative norseman. I don't know which one's worse, or if one is even worse than the other, all i know a rape victim can live on to become a rape survivor.

[NarwhalSunshine]

I don't see how that's possible

It's because they're a good, solid rock band with a good stage presence and some great songs. The fact that they were originally (to an extent) assembled as a situationalist performance art project by Malcolm McLaren doesn't really change that. Also before you go all misguided punx purist on me consider the fact that bands ranging from The Clash to Cock Sparrer cite them as influences, and that without the Sex Pistols we very probably wouldn't have had Siouxsie and the Banshees, Joy Division, The Smiths, The Fall, The Buzzcocks or Factory Records. In fact, The Sex Pistols catalysed the entire British punk movement and gave impetus and exposure to the huge number of great punk bands that arose from it. You're 19 and American, so I'm gonna say you probably don't have the greatest perspective on it: I've talked to enough old British punks who were around back in the day to know exactly how important the Sex Pistols were.

Punk 77's article on the Pistols

My worries about the Sex Pistols were essentially that they would just be old and embarrasing, but they were still pretty fun. Though to be honest, most of the other geriatric bands I've seen, especially in that vein, have still been awesome: Motorhead, UK Subs, Saxon, Stiff Little Fingers, etc.

I don't deny their influence it's just I find the music to be extremely terrible even for punk. Bringing my age and location into this is pretty lame since it has no bearing on the fact that I hate the band and where I live now =/= where I'm from, as far as you know I could in fact have been born in England and my family chose to move to America when I was older.

[KharBevNor]

Well no, you see, because you didn't say "I do not like the music of the Sex Pistols" you in fact said "I think the Sex Pistols are the second worse thing ever to happen to punk rock". These are different statements.

[Trollstormur]

ye talk like a rape victim, laddeh

[Slick]

I think the Sex Pistols are shit. Purely on a subjective level of music appreciation. I quite like the Clash a whole bunch.
I do not like the music of the Sex Pistols but I think the Sex Pistols are one of the more important things ever to happen to punk rock.

[Gridgm]

ye talk like a rape victim, laddeh

when i look at your user pic that's a really disconcerting comment

[tommydski]

I quite like the Clash a whole bunch.

This sentence is a good Dskism. Quite like a whole bunch.

[valley_parade]

I think I might start talking like that.

[ForteBass]

We already have Tommy to talk like that. Why copy Tommy? Create you're own ways of speaking, young man. Don't ride the coat tails of others.

In the negative nellie news: The university I work for has a divorce rate of 75%.

[NarwhalSunshine]

Well no, you see, because you didn't say "I do not like the music of the Sex Pistols" you in fact said "I think the Sex Pistols are the second worse thing ever to happen to punk rock". These are different statements.

Right, I claimed they were a tragedy to the genre, which they are, however to make the assumptions you did is simply illogical. An intelligent response would have been to bring up their influence and the fact that you like them and there, not go on about how I wasn't there so I can't possible know what I'm talking about.

[calenlass]

We already have Tommy to talk like that. Why copy Tommy? Create you're own ways of speaking, young man. Don't ride the coat tails of others.

In the negative nellie news: The university I work for has a divorce rate of 75%.

Dude, you complain about no ladies and yet the solution is right in front of you!

Rebounds!

[Stryc9Fuego]

I prefer any of these to Type O Negative.

[Nodaisho]

Any of what?

[KharBevNor]

Right, I claimed they were a tragedy to the genre, which they are
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Except they're not, because they damn near caused half the genre (the UK half) and its eventual evolutions. Only a few bands (Television, New York Dolls) are more important to the creation and propagation of punk as a genre. Plus if you are into punk but don't think Pretty Vacant and God Save the Queen are good songs that is just misplaced snobbery. Seriously. Next you'll claim you don't like The Anti-Nowhere League or Cock Sparrer.

Also, fuck off with hating Type O Negative. Well, pre 1996 anyway.   

[imapiratearg]

How?  What?  Why?

[Oli]

I love a few songs by the clash, and I do like Joe Strummer's later work, Joe Strummer and the Mescaleros, honestly though there is never an occasion when I put on and listen to an entire album by the clash.

[imapiratearg]

I like both The Sex Pistols and The Clash, but I find it a little shocking that someone thinks London Calling is an awful record.

[KharBevNor]

He never said it was an awful record, he merely said that it is not a great record.

[RedLion]

By the time of Sandinista!, though, they were just all over the place; really not a punk band anymore. Not that there's anything wrong with that, I love the album, and the band.

For a lot of people, The Sex Pistols are one of the main embodiments of punk. If you don't like them, fine, but to say that they didn't have a positive influence on punk is disingenuous.

[Inlander]

This thread is about pointing stuff like that out. Try and make it legit.

We've got an entire sub-forum for talking about things like significant milestones in the evolution of punk, guys. This thread is for talking about something else! . . . I'm not exactly sure what, per se, but that's a different matter.

Here is Wilson Pickett performing "Land of 1000 Dances" (ignore the video component, it's irrelevant):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PC24L71vE-U

[sean]

It is for being grumpy! Pouting!  Pointing out the unfairities in the world!

I'm not sure why it exists though. To me, it seems like an unnecessary extension to the blog thread.

[Sox]

This thread, for those of you who didn't notice yet, is to be used for calling out on bullshit when you see it and raising awareness about things that you feel are important. I thought JC was really onto something with that first post, but the only things I had to add would kick off massive political discussion and derail the thread. Sorta disappointing how it turned out. Like how most people didn't understand the Kenny until Dski literally spelled it out for them, as if it wasn't obvious after the first few Kennys.

Recently, a lot of people have been derailing perfectly acceptable threads just to post about how they don't get it. I think this sort of behaviour is detrimental to the threads they inhabit. Just don't post. Or use google. Or read twice. Whatever it takes, I guess. But I've read far too many post recently that basically amount to "I don't get it" which starts this whole cycle of off-topic-ness with people talking about whatever they want. This now leads to Harry posting youtube links, keep an eye open for those links and use them as an indicator for when you change your behaviour.

If you have literally nothing to say, don't say it! Posting inane things is setting a precedent that leads to a poor standard of behaviour. Maybe.

[valley_parade]

Next you'll claim you don't like Cock Sparrer.

NOT POSSIBLE

[mooface]

but... i don't want to be a negative nelly!  i want to think about happy things!

_{(ok sorry, this post was just an excuse to post that link   you should all just listen to darryl instead of me)}

[Sox]

you should all just listen to darryl instead of me

While we're dispensing bad advice, running into traffic head-on is probably a great way to test the strength of your bike helmet.

[Slick]

Like how most people didn't understand the Kenny until Dski literally spelled it out for them, as if it wasn't obvious after the first few Kennys.

I did not get the Kenny and assumed it was something born of Gabbly. I don't want to jump into some trend if I don't know what is going on or why.

[Inlander]

Sometimes I just want to bring a little soul to a thread, regardless of the thread's quality.

For instance, here are Martha & the Vandellas performing their classic, "Heatwave":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4VZ5D6Ri4I

Turn the sound all the way up!

[Trollstormur]

[jhocking]

Historically, there have been some terrible Mods on this forum. An overwhelming majority of them, in fact.

Admittedly I haven't been around as long as you, but I have been around a while and I don't recall any terrible mods. Well other than kieffer being a mod for a little while, and in short order jeph changed his mind on that one. And even then, at the time he was rather the voice of reason in some problem situations.

[Sox]

Joe, we STILL have terrible mods, pay more attention.

[Trollstormur]

Joe, we STILL have terrible mods, pay more attention.

hey there "mister been-registered-five-months"

quiet you.

[ruyi]

Joe, we STILL have terrible mods, pay more attention.

hey there "mister been-registered-five-months"

quiet you.

Hey now, no shushing Darryl.

(Or was that a joke? I have no idea but I guess I will ruin it anyways)

[Trollstormur]

Joe, we STILL have terrible mods, pay more attention.

hey there "mister been-registered-five-months"

quiet you.

Hey now, no shushing Darryl.

(Or was that a joke? I have no idea but I guess I will ruin it anyways)

ALL ABOARD THE FAILTRAIN TO QUOTE TOWN CHOO CHOO

[Oli]

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Half past five?