Topic: What's the Deal With -Band X-? (Read 72474 times)

Jackie Blue · « **Reply #100 on:** 30 Jan 2008, 10:54 »

Quote from: onewheelwizzard on 30 Jan 2008, 01:01

What's the deal with free jazz?

It is a socially acceptable way to masturbate in public.

Misereatur · « **Reply #101 on:** 30 Jan 2008, 13:09 »

Quote from: IronOxide on 30 Jan 2008, 07:47

Free Jazz emerged as kind of a reaction to all of the commercialization that was occurring in the Jazz scene of the 1950s. People got kind of sick of dealing with all of the generic Jazz crap out there (like many groups are doing with rock more recently) and created a style of music that doesn't have as many rules and doesn't have to be bludgeoned down into the least common denomination. They, through eliminating some of the conventions of the music, "freed" it, and restored the sense of innovation in the Jazz scene of the 1950s.

Not really, no. Free Jazz is simply a step forward, musically. Actually, a lot of musicians dislike the term Free Jazz. Free Jazz (I like the term Avant Grade Jazz) was more a reaction to racism and, for a lot of Free Jazz musicians, a chance to return to their african music roots.

Johnny C · « **Reply #102 on:** 30 Jan 2008, 13:14 »

Can someone explain this rap music to me? I don't get it.

onewheelwizzard · « **Reply #103 on:** 30 Jan 2008, 13:16 »

Quote from: Misereatur on 30 Jan 2008, 13:09

Not really, no. Free Jazz is simply a step forward, musically. Actually, a lot of musicians dislike the term Free Jazz. Free Jazz (I like the term Avant Grade Jazz) was more a reaction to racism and, for a lot of Free Jazz musicians, a chance to return to their african music roots.

I guess I'm coming from the perspective of having just been introduced to free jazz by Peter Brotzmann's "Machine Gun." I just don't understand it at all.

sean · « **Reply #104 on:** 30 Jan 2008, 15:15 »

Alright so I have a serious one, unlike my last post here.

Stoner metal?

I really wanna like this genre, but every time I listen to it, its just kind of ehhhhhhhh. Am I just not smoking enough weed?

Ishotdanieljohnston · « **Reply #105 on:** 30 Jan 2008, 15:25 »

Probably not. What's the deal with the knife?

Jackie Blue · « **Reply #106 on:** 30 Jan 2008, 15:34 »

What kind of "stoner metal" are you talking about? Stuff like Sleep or stuff like Bardo Pond? Stuff like Hawkwind or stuff like Dead Meadow?

ViolentDove · « **Reply #107 on:** 30 Jan 2008, 15:59 »

Quote from: Ishotdanieljohnston on 30 Jan 2008, 15:25

Probably not. What's the deal with the knife?

They make interesting and decidedly original electronic music with catchy synth lines and vocal hooks. And you can dance to it and sing along. Also, they have a sense of humour, and a wonderfully fuck you! kind of attitude towards the media and music industry.

KvP · « **Reply #108 on:** 30 Jan 2008, 16:12 »

Sounds like exactly the kind of act I'd hate. But I like a lot of similar acts.

What's the deal with The Tea Party?

Ballard · « **Reply #109 on:** 30 Jan 2008, 16:42 »

Quote from: Kid van Pervert on 29 Jan 2008, 20:05

The guy from Of Montreal had a big huge defensive rant about licensing posted in... Pitchfork, I think? A few months ago. He sounded totally guilty.

It was actually a very well written argument that made some great points.

sean · « **Reply #110 on:** 30 Jan 2008, 16:44 »

Quote from: zerodrone on 30 Jan 2008, 15:34

What kind of "stoner metal" are you talking about? Stuff like Sleep or stuff like Bardo Pond? Stuff like Hawkwind or stuff like Dead Meadow?

I'm talking the stuff like Sleep.

Sorry for not being specific enough.

Ballard · « **Reply #111 on:** 30 Jan 2008, 16:53 »

Bardo Pond and Hawkwind are fucking A.

KvP · « **Reply #112 on:** 30 Jan 2008, 16:58 »

Quote from: Ballard on 30 Jan 2008, 16:42

Quote from: Kid van Pervert on 29 Jan 2008, 20:05
The guy from Of Montreal had a big huge defensive rant about licensing posted in... Pitchfork, I think? A few months ago. He sounded totally guilty.

It was actually a very well written argument that made some great points.

Oh, I agree with the gist of his arguments, I just think they could've been conveyed in a less petulant manner. His apparent total exasperation with the idea of selling out doesn't help his point. But that might just be in response to petulant people who've disagreed with him, or it might just be his writing style.

onewheelwizzard · « **Reply #113 on:** 30 Jan 2008, 17:06 »

The deal with stoner metal, specifically Sleep and their ilk, is that a huge portion of the music is the volume and fuzz/distortion level. If you're not already grabbed by the tone, the other elements of the music (namely huge slow riffs and whatever vocalist is in the band you're listening to) are probably not going to draw you in too much. Generally, the way stoner metal songs are written plays directly off of the guitar tone that's being used, instead of vice versa ... so if you can't get into the bass-heavy fuzziness, there isn't much you're likely to find in the music.

My advice is to listen to any of Om's albums or any of Electric Wizard's albums (specifically Dopethrone or Come My Fanatics). If those don't do it for you, try Kyuss, and if that's not your deal you should probably avoid anything that has the word "stoner" in the description.

However, there is a very real chance that you might just not be smoking enough weed.

Jackie Blue · « **Reply #114 on:** 30 Jan 2008, 17:09 »

Quote from: Objects inside Clouds on 30 Jan 2008, 16:44

I'm talking the stuff like Sleep.

Oh, that stuff. I like some of that, but to me, being stoned and listening to bands like that is more annoying than anything else. I think "the deal" is that some people like to get stoned and just zone out. When I'm stoned, I like to bliss out, and as such, if I want to listen to heavy music stoned, it's going to be Acid Mothers Temple, Bardo Pond, Dead Meadow, stuff that has all kinds of interesting little bits, not Dopesmoker which is basically one riff played for an hour straight.

Nodaisho · « **Reply #115 on:** 30 Jan 2008, 17:16 »

You don't have to smoke weed to like stoner music, so it probably isn't that.

Ballard · « **Reply #116 on:** 30 Jan 2008, 17:19 »

Oh god, I can just feel the quixotic dumbass crusade for one's own pedantry-riddled opinion coming on.

sean · « **Reply #117 on:** 30 Jan 2008, 17:21 »

Personally I never considered stuff like Bardo Pond stoner metal. I have always just thought of that kind of stuff as heavy psychedelic. Which I really dig.

Inlander · « **Reply #118 on:** 30 Jan 2008, 17:23 »

Quote from: Kid van Pervert on 30 Jan 2008, 16:12

What's the deal with The Tea Party?

They were an excessively pretentious band who nonetheless managed to release one absolutely killer album (Splendor Solis) before embarking on a journey further and further up their own arses with each subsequent release, while somehow simultaneously managing to pick up more and more fans. Recently, the Arcade Fire have fallen victim to what I like to call "the Tea Party syndrome", whereby their debut album was incredibly exciting and musically invigorating (Splendor Solis/Funeral - notwithstanding that Splendor Solis wasn't technically the Tea Party's first album, but let's leave that argument to the obsessives . . .), but they only started to get more mainstream attention with a second album (The Edges of Twilight/Neon Bible) which, while not exactly bad, was so lumbering and ponderous as to be something of a dead weight compared to its predecessor.

It's too late now for the Tea Party. As for the Arcade Fire, only time will tell.

KvP · « **Reply #119 on:** 30 Jan 2008, 17:26 »

Thanks for clearing that up for me. I have a friend who keeps sending me their tracks, and while I dig the guitar, that sub-Morrison singer can really grate on my nerves.

Now, somebody tell me what's up with the Brian Jonestown Massacre. I saw Dig! and everybody (even Genesis!) talked about how mind-blowingly awesome they were, and then I got a few of their albums and... well, I don't get it.

onewheelwizzard · « **Reply #120 on:** 30 Jan 2008, 17:28 »

Quote from: Objects inside Clouds on 30 Jan 2008, 17:21

Personally I never considered stuff like Bardo Pond stoner metal. I have always just thought of that kind of stuff as heavy psychedelic. Which I really dig.

If you're way more into Bardo Pond than Sleep then I think it's really just that you're coming into the genre from the direction farthest from the direction that Sleep and High on Fire come from. I recommended Om and Electric Wizard because they're sorta the bridge between the heavy-psych aspects of "stoner rock" in general and the thrashier feeling that you sometimes get with Sleep and High on Fire. You're probably going to like Om a lot better than you like Electric Wizard.

Jackie Blue · « **Reply #121 on:** 30 Jan 2008, 17:31 »

Inlander, you are perhaps aware that some people think Neon Bible is significantly better than Funeral?

ViolentDove · « **Reply #122 on:** 30 Jan 2008, 17:45 »

Quote from: Kid van Pervert on 30 Jan 2008, 17:26

Now, somebody tell me what's up with the Brian Jonestown Massacre. I saw Dig! and everybody (even Genesis!) talked about how mind-blowingly awesome they were, and then I got a few of their albums and... well, I don't get it.

Jackie Blue · « **Reply #123 on:** 30 Jan 2008, 17:50 »

What I like about Brian Jonestown Massacre is that they are extremely good at copying the sounds of a lot of other bands. This makes for spotty albums but their 2-disc "best of" type deal is the business.

@tommy: Yes, precisely.

UberDrivel · « **Reply #124 on:** 30 Jan 2008, 17:53 »

Quote from: zerodrone on 28 Jan 2008, 19:43

I like fun, catchy pop songs too (I love the Pipettes) but seriously, man. Vampire Weekend don't even sound like they're trying.

So you're saying it's effortlessly catchy pop music?

I'm pretty taken aback from by the hype, but I think it's awesome - even though most of the album has been floating around for a year.

Ballard · « **Reply #125 on:** 30 Jan 2008, 18:35 »

Quote from: zerodrone on 30 Jan 2008, 17:50

What I like about Brian Jonestown Massacre is that they are extremely good at copying the sounds of a lot of other bands. This makes for spotty albums but their 2-disc "best of" type deal is the business.

The Brian Jonestown Massacre for me was a path to discovering great music from previous decades. Many great bands I first stumbled upon as influences of The BJM, and I'm well aware that they bring nothing new to the table.

However, I challenge you to find me an album that sounds exactly like Strung Out in Heaven. It is a fucking masterpiece the likes of which I've yet to find in the past.

This conveniently leads me to my next point; neo-psychedelia, in my opinion, is not a revival of psychedelia. It is an entirely different genre much more comparable to garage or 60s pop.

I'm speaking mostly about the 90s, of course. 80s neo-psych incorporated a lot more drone, but was stilll completely unrelated to the original psychedelic bands.

Shadows Collide · « **Reply #126 on:** 30 Jan 2008, 21:40 »

Quote from: onewheelwizzard on 30 Jan 2008, 01:01

What's the deal with free jazz?

It's a music form that only a few masters could truly handle and perfect (Albert Ayler, Ornette Coleman, Pharaoh Sanders etc.), while uninformed music fans take the work of imitators to judge and criticize the entire genre. This is the mark of true ignorance: reverting to terms such as masturbation to dismiss what one doesn't understand. Really, the good music should be given proper respect, considering the difficulty involved in crafting beauty out of a confusing idiom.

Jackie Blue · « **Reply #127 on:** 30 Jan 2008, 21:49 »

Quote from: Shadows Collide on 30 Jan 2008, 21:40

This is the mark of true ignorance: reverting to terms such as masturbation to dismiss what one doesn't understand.

Holy crap, all these presumptive new people are hilarious.

It was a joke, man. Lighten up. I think you'll find that there are many jokes made by people here.

Ob4chan: Lurk moar.

Spluff · « **Reply #128 on:** 30 Jan 2008, 22:35 »

Quote from: Inlander on 30 Jan 2008, 17:23

Quote from: Kid van Pervert on 30 Jan 2008, 16:12
What's the deal with The Tea Party?

They were an excessively pretentious band who nonetheless managed to release one absolutely killer album (Splendor Solis) before embarking on a journey further and further up their own arses with each subsequent release, while somehow simultaneously managing to pick up more and more fans. Recently, the Arcade Fire have fallen victim to what I like to call "the Tea Party syndrome", whereby their debut album was incredibly exciting and musically invigorating (Splendor Solis/Funeral - notwithstanding that Splendor Solis wasn't technically the Tea Party's first album, but let's leave that argument to the obsessives . . .), but they only started to get more mainstream attention with a second album (The Edges of Twilight/Neon Bible) which, while not exactly bad, was so lumbering and ponderous as to be something of a dead weight compared to its predecessor.

It's too late now for the Tea Party. As for the Arcade Fire, only time will tell.

Is it wrong that I liked Transmission? I haven't heard much of their other stuff, mainly because the little I heard of rest of it I didn't like.

Johnny C · « **Reply #129 on:** 30 Jan 2008, 22:50 »

Quote from: tommydski on 30 Jan 2008, 17:48

Quote from: zerodrone on 30 Jan 2008, 17:31
Inlander, you are perhaps aware that some people think Neon Bible is significantly better than Funeral?

The Bruce Springsteen fans?

Hey, I love The Boss but I don't have a particularly high opinion of Neon Bible.

Inlander · « **Reply #130 on:** 30 Jan 2008, 22:54 »

Quote from: Spluff on 30 Jan 2008, 22:35

Is it wrong that I liked Transmission? I haven't heard much of their other stuff, mainly because the little I heard of rest of it I didn't like.

Here are a couple of key songs from Splendor Solis for you to listen to, if you like:

"The River".

"Save Me".

Like I said, pretentious as all hell, and they don't exactly wear their influences lightly, but musically these songs are a hell of a lot more thoughtful and interesting than what they put out afterwards.

Fair warning, though: unless you have a deep and abiding fondness for the early-90s tribal fetishist aesthetic, you;'re best advised to avert your eyes from the videos themselves.

On a somewhat related note, I'm thinking of starting an occasional series for the music blog in which I revisit albums I used to love but haven't listened to in years, to see whether I still like them.

Oscaio · « **Reply #131 on:** 31 Jan 2008, 00:04 »

This thread reminds me of endless talks with my friends, so I have a very specific question that I have always wondered about.

What is the deal with Pet Sounds?

Shadows Collide · « **Reply #132 on:** 31 Jan 2008, 00:14 »

Quote from: zerodrone on 30 Jan 2008, 21:49

Quote from: Shadows Collide on 30 Jan 2008, 21:40
This is the mark of true ignorance: reverting to terms such as masturbation to dismiss what one doesn't understand.

Holy crap, all these presumptive new people are hilarious.

It was a joke, man. Lighten up. I think you'll find that there are many jokes made by people here.

Ob4chan: Lurk moar.

Sorry, it's just most criticism of all forms of jazz kinda bugs me. I like pretending to be an expert on everything!

Shadows Collide · « **Reply #133 on:** 31 Jan 2008, 00:17 »

Oh, and what's the deal with Xiu Xiu. The guy in the band can't sing for crackers, he basically moans, and they've made 8 albums --> how can such crap be so loved by many. The singer should just chill.

Spluff · « **Reply #134 on:** 31 Jan 2008, 00:28 »

Quote from: Inlander on 30 Jan 2008, 22:54

Quote from: Spluff on 30 Jan 2008, 22:35
Is it wrong that I liked Transmission? I haven't heard much of their other stuff, mainly because the little I heard of rest of it I didn't like.

Here are a couple of key songs from Splendor Solis for you to listen to, if you like:

"The River".

"Save Me".

Like I said, pretentious as all hell, and they don't exactly wear their influences lightly, but musically these songs are a hell of a lot more thoughtful and interesting than what they put out afterwards.

Fair warning, though: unless you have a deep and abiding fondness for the early-90s tribal fetishist aesthetic, you;'re best advised to avert your eyes from the videos themselves.

On a somewhat related note, I'm thinking of starting an occasional series for the music blog in which I revisit albums I used to love but haven't listened to in years, to see whether I still like them.

Heh, you're right, that was better. There was less phrygian dominant abuse too, which makes me happy. Still, probably not something that'd receive constant play by me, mainly for the reasons you stated.

Jackie Blue · « **Reply #135 on:** 31 Jan 2008, 05:57 »

Quote from: Shadows Collide on 31 Jan 2008, 00:17

Oh, and what's the deal with Xiu Xiu.

Some people like music that is deliberately uncomfortable, creepy, confrontational, confessional and gay.

I think Jamie Stewart is one of the best vocalists currently making albums. His performance on "I Luv the Valley OH!" is nothing less than five-star.

cabose · « **Reply #136 on:** 31 Jan 2008, 08:37 »

now i dont get any rap, but hey WTF is with soulja boy, its an all around bad song and everyone wets themselvs when they hear it

pinkpiche · « **Reply #137 on:** 31 Jan 2008, 08:39 »

Quote from: zerodrone on 31 Jan 2008, 05:57

Quote from: Shadows Collide on 31 Jan 2008, 00:17
Oh, and what's the deal with Xiu Xiu.

Some people like music that is deliberately uncomfortable, creepy, confrontational, confessional and gay.

I think Jamie Stewart is one of the best vocalists currently making albums. His performance on "I Luv the Valley OH!" is nothing less than five-star.

Exactly. Someone missed out on the notion that musicians don't have to be technically accomplished.

Sad Pony Guerilla Girl is my favourite though..

psyne · « **Reply #138 on:** 31 Jan 2008, 10:38 »

Quote from: cabose on 31 Jan 2008, 08:37

now i dont get any rap, but hey WTF is with soulja boy, its an all around bad song and everyone wets themselvs when they hear it

I'm not really a rap fan, and even if I were I probably wouldn't think Soulja Boy was actually a good song. But as it is I think it's kind of awesome in a pure hilarity way - the dance is funny and fun to do (or to watch weird groups of people do, like the youtube clips of 9 year old ballet classes and MIT students with Richard Stallman), and the lyrics are ridiculous. Now superman dat ho!

Ballard · « **Reply #139 on:** 31 Jan 2008, 10:42 »

I am a big rap fan. What he meant to say was, it's a fucking terrible song. It possesses no redeeming qualities. The sheer lack of talent and stupidity of the whole thing turned it into a phenomenon.

P.S. I love you Richard Stallman.

Misereatur · « **Reply #140 on:** 01 Feb 2008, 00:53 »

Quote from: onewheelwizzard on 30 Jan 2008, 13:16

I guess I'm coming from the perspective of having just been introduced to free jazz by Peter Brotzmann's "Machine Gun." I just don't understand it at all.

I'll try and upload some Ornette Coleman, Archie Shepp and Albert Ayler for you. It's best to work your way slowly in Free Jazz from early expiriments to the full out lets make people deaf stylings of early Zorn and Brotzmann.

dalconnsuch · « **Reply #141 on:** 01 Feb 2008, 00:59 »

whats the deal with xiu xiu? why do people listen to him? he confooses and disorients me

"this rock sucks as soap"

Spluff · « **Reply #142 on:** 01 Feb 2008, 01:15 »

I have a strange feeling of déjà vu.

sean · « **Reply #143 on:** 06 Feb 2008, 17:11 »

Okay I know thread necromancy is bad and stuff but this one is only a few days dead and I need to know something.

Vampire Weekend.

Seriously, what the fuck?

Jackie Blue · « **Reply #144 on:** 06 Feb 2008, 17:13 »

Dude I already said Vampire Weekend in this thread.

YOU FAIL.

Kai · « **Reply #145 on:** 06 Feb 2008, 17:37 »

I have never listened to vampire weekend but how good can a band called Vampire Weekend be?

Wasteroo · « **Reply #146 on:** 06 Feb 2008, 18:41 »

What's the deal with the Velvet Underground? And Wilco? And Yo La Tengo? And Ratatat? And Grizzly Bear? And Elliott Smith? And, honestly, Daft Punk?

Sorry for the band overkill on my first post. hah.

Kai · « **Reply #147 on:** 06 Feb 2008, 18:46 »

The deal with the Velvet Underground is that they wrote Sister Ray.

Wasteroo · « **Reply #148 on:** 06 Feb 2008, 18:50 »

Quote from: Kai on 06 Feb 2008, 18:46

The deal with the Velvet Underground is that they wrote Sister Ray.

I can't disagree with that. That and Foggy Notion are the only two songs I like by them, so far.

Jackie Blue · « **Reply #149 on:** 06 Feb 2008, 19:08 »

Quote from: Kai on 06 Feb 2008, 18:46

The deal with the Velvet Underground is that they wrote Sister Ray.

And "Venus in Furs".

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UberDrivel

Shadows Collide

Oscaio

Shadows Collide

Shadows Collide

cabose

dalconnsuch